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ICYMI: We Were on My Favorite Murder · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hartstar's
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  Speaker 1: Karen Kilgara, and today we have two very impressive guests
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  Speaker 1: on the show. He is an immigration and criminal defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney who you might know from TikTok. She is a
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  Speaker 1: senior leader in the nonprofit world and.
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  Speaker 2: A self professed frustrated writer, fledgling wedding, efficient and curly
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  Speaker 2: hair activists.
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  Speaker 1: And they're here to talk about their brand new legal podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which debuts in mere days here on Exactly Right Network.
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  Speaker 3: Please welcome all the way from New York City. The
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  Speaker 3: hosts a brief recess Michael Foot and Melissa Malbranch.
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  Speaker 4: Comes off.
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  Speaker 3: And here we go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi, thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 3: We're so excited to be here. Really, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thrilled to have you, Thrilled to have you in a
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  Speaker 2: time like this. I think we should go back to
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  Speaker 2: the Ketamine conversation with her.
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  Speaker 4: Ketamine Karen, she's in the studio, she's on it right now.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to do the first live podcast.
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  Speaker 4: She grew up with horses, so it is a very
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  Speaker 4: apt conversation. It's a horse tranquilizer. Humans have you know,
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  Speaker 4: appropriated Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 3: They do for everything, right, that's true, horse.
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  Speaker 4: Appropriate to the white man in the room to be like,
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  Speaker 4: let's talk about appropriation. Let's talk about the horse culture
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  Speaker 4: reappropriating it for my club, my circuit.
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  Speaker 2: Party, for your club nights.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No. Ketamine therapy is what I've been doing, and
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  Speaker 4: it's incredible. It's helped with like deep anxiety. I think,
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  Speaker 4: like I used to get really bad panic attacks and
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  Speaker 4: just sort of like shifted the way I sort of
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  Speaker 4: like perceive myself when I'm like experiencing anxiety. Do you
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  Speaker 4: get anxiety? You're always like the cool calm collective.
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  Speaker 5: I will say that historically I have not had anxiety
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  Speaker 5: but perimenopause.
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  Speaker 3: That bitch. Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 5: And since I really and since then, my anxiety is
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  Speaker 5: ridiculous and it's about anything.
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  Speaker 3: It could be about anything about nothing, right.
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  Speaker 5: And I was actually going through my text messages looking
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  Speaker 5: for something, and I found a thread between my cousin
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  Speaker 5: and I where I was saying to her that I
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  Speaker 5: had just come back from my gynecologist who said to me,
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  Speaker 5: I think you're in perimenopause in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: I am still there anything.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but I'm not on I'm on the pack,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm not on kedemy, and I feel like the
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  Speaker 5: anxiety is such that it can almost paralyze you.
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  Speaker 4: I've been there, and I think for me.
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  Speaker 5: What was so surprising is that I didn't know what
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  Speaker 5: was happening to me, right, So I just thought I
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  Speaker 5: was going crazy, right.
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  Speaker 4: No, I remember when you and you and I were
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  Speaker 4: connecting a couple of years ago, when this was starting
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  Speaker 4: to happen, and you were like, I actually think I'm
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  Speaker 4: going in see.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't talk about it in twenty seventeen. It's
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  Speaker 3: just now that we're finding out a huge explosion.
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  Speaker 5: And I remember, you know, I went to my mom
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  Speaker 5: and I was just like, did you have this?
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  Speaker 3: No, yep, same my mom. My mom never turns out no.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just got hot every once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: Other than that, it was I can't.
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  Speaker 4: Tell you the e I'm sorry, can we get the
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  Speaker 4: arab actually?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Actually hot?
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  Speaker 5: But interestingly, I remember when my mom I didn't know
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  Speaker 5: what it was at the time, yes, but I remember
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  Speaker 5: there was this period of time where I felt like
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  Speaker 5: my mother was going insane. Yes, And I remember saying
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  Speaker 5: that to my dad, I think something's wrong with mom,
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  Speaker 5: and he was like, like, what and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, I'm a child.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't I was in my twenties, but like she
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  Speaker 5: was acting so crazy, and she, in insight, I'm realizing,
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  Speaker 5: was having panic attacks, was having anxiety.
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  Speaker 3: It's when her clusterphobia really sort of exploded. Shehes, like,
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  Speaker 3: you can't explain that to someone who won't get them
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  Speaker 3: that it does feel like claustrophobia a little bit like
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  Speaker 3: you're just you need to take off all of your
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  Speaker 3: clothes now, and you're angry about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, very angry. I'm not going through menopause, but I
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  Speaker 4: have angrily wanted to rip my clothes off.
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  Speaker 5: I can remember one day, like coming off of the subway,
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  Speaker 5: going into the office and feeling like I was going
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  Speaker 5: to die. I went into the ladies room. I took
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  Speaker 5: off all my clothes and pressed my back against my
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  Speaker 5: back up against the stainless steel door. Oh so good,
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  Speaker 5: because the heat.
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  Speaker 3: Is coming from inside the house.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's her.
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  Speaker 1: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: You just can't control it in any way. And it
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  Speaker 2: is a surprise. The thing that's driving me crazy is
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  Speaker 2: now on TikTok, the big thing where they're talking about, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: in women's medicine, they've never done any research about the
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  Speaker 2: way ABCD. So this idea that now in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: five were suddenly talking about Gary menopause and menopause is
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  Speaker 2: a disgrace. It's it's insane.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, historically they would just be like, oh, you're crazy, right,
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  Speaker 4: Why don't you just not be crazy?
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  Speaker 5: I had read this thing where they were talking about
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  Speaker 5: fuck but like burning witches at the stake and the
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  Speaker 5: women were usually like in their forties.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, O my god.
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  Speaker 5: I mean again, I don't I don't know, I mean
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  Speaker 5: it yeah, but I mean that fits.
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  Speaker 3: But if it's right, it kind of makes it. You're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, I know. I think
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  Speaker 3: about my mom too, and like she had to get
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  Speaker 3: on you know, anti depressants and anxiety and it was
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  Speaker 3: probably just hormones, but they didn't check that fact.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let'sa call me one day and she was like,
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  Speaker 4: I honestly am so filled with rage. I think I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if this is attorney client confidentiality that I'm breaching.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, but I wanted to.
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  Speaker 4: She was like, I actually am concerned about what I
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  Speaker 4: might do to someone. Yeah, I am so angry.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I don't know if this is sort of related,
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  Speaker 5: but a little bit so. A few months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember this. A few months ago, I was
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  Speaker 3: getting off the subway.
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  Speaker 4: And we talked about podcast.
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  Speaker 5: I accidentally stepped on the back of someone's foot and
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  Speaker 5: I said, oh, excuse me. This man turned around and
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  Speaker 5: he kicked me.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, that's not even the worst part of it.
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  Speaker 4: I was the first call. It was like, okay, assault
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  Speaker 4: on the subway.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but like that was a part of it.
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  Speaker 5: That's completely wrong, But that is not who I am.
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  Speaker 3: I don't kill me. But I kicked this man back,
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  Speaker 3: and this other man behind me came. He was like no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't kick him too very gently touched me in
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  Speaker 5: the back and was like, don't do this, and he
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  Speaker 5: kicked me.
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  Speaker 3: What an angel that person?
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I was so enraged and I feel like that has
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  Speaker 5: never been me before. No, right, And I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if Taraji Henson was on somebody's podcast and she said
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  Speaker 5: that she really feels that we are born with a
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  Speaker 5: certain amount of fucks to give, and by the time
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  Speaker 5: I get yes, yes, and by the time you get
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  Speaker 5: to your fifties, you are.
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  Speaker 3: Out of fucks. Yeah, I'm three years old. I am
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  Speaker 3: negative fucks.
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  Speaker 2: To keep your feet to your.
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  Speaker 5: Toe, bitch, and I'm willing to go down Like It's
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  Speaker 5: weird instant.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of what level of violence can you enact on
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  Speaker 1: someone who just kicked you without getting okay?
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  Speaker 4: So short, you have a duty breach, causation and harm.
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  Speaker 4: So you have a duty to behave a certain way
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  Speaker 4: in society. Okay, if there is a breach, such as
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  Speaker 4: someone kicks you, then that duty has been breached. It
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  Speaker 4: has to be the causation. You have to cause someone's harm,
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  Speaker 4: so the harm is usually damages. So in this situation
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  Speaker 4: there were there the harm sounds mostly emotional, I think ascertain,
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  Speaker 4: so I would say that it probably wouldn't pass the sniff.
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  Speaker 4: Like a core a civil suit, usually it's there's some
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  Speaker 4: sort of documented medical issue either way.
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  Speaker 2: With her side or that man's.
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  Speaker 4: It depends on the state. So this was in New York,
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  Speaker 4: so it depends contributory negligence. So if you were someone
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  Speaker 4: who contributed to the other person's harm and they harmed
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  Speaker 4: you as well, it kind of like cancels out in
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  Speaker 4: some case, so it sometimes comes out in the wash.
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  Speaker 2: But so what her flat tire and then the kick wash.
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  Speaker 4: The extra book.
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  Speaker 5: I need to know is technically not right and damage
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  Speaker 5: apologize right, like it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Just like I was.
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  Speaker 4: That was you were at zero, that was a curable Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 5: Would say, is that to be fair? Neither one of
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  Speaker 5: us had any power behind the kick, like like end
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  Speaker 5: in high school.
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  Speaker 3: And I really didn't mean it, like so I didn't
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  Speaker 3: hurt her.
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  Speaker 2: It just came out.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't hurt me, and I didn't hurt him. I
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  Speaker 5: think I was just I was so offended. I was
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  Speaker 5: offended symbolic yes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, also to go from okay, a slight accident too okay,
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  Speaker 4: intentional harm right, violence.
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  Speaker 3: Violence New York City in the morning on a commute, it's.
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  Speaker 5: Happened to all of yes, right, it's like it should
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  Speaker 5: be over yourself, get over it.
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  Speaker 2: But in these trying time are you seeing this? Is
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  Speaker 2: this a thing that's like an escalating thing where the
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  Speaker 2: normal interaction would have been no problem from that guy,
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  Speaker 2: but now everyone is under this insane.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, do you think this? I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we are still not okay from the pandemic, right, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Just going to bring miss pandemic kind of walked out
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  Speaker 4: of it. It's like, yeah, we were like okay, back
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  Speaker 4: to work, deepas like we weren't like, oh, we should
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  Speaker 4: all probably go to therapy.
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  Speaker 5: Really traumatized, right, I mean we were stuck inside the
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  Speaker 5: house and it felt like and it's easy, I think
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  Speaker 5: to look back on and be like, Okay, we made
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  Speaker 5: it out relatively okay. But in the very beginning, it
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  Speaker 5: felt like the zombie apocalypse was upon us.
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  Speaker 4: It was very scary.
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  Speaker 1: Pizza delivery was going to kill us, like that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: We all thought we were going to die.
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  Speaker 2: We were wiping down cereal boxes.
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  Speaker 3: Leaving the mail outside right like you know.
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  Speaker 5: It was it was and you know, and it didn't
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  Speaker 5: help that the commander in cheap at the time whatever
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  Speaker 5: how you feel, in the very beginning, did not take
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  Speaker 5: it seriously enough and was And there are a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people that we thought we could trust who were
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  Speaker 5: saying it's like.
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  Speaker 3: Getting a cold. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So I remember when we were watching Italy, we were like,
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  Speaker 4: oh and it was watching what was happening.
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  Speaker 3: The body is like stacked up in in Brazil, it
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  Speaker 3: was awful.
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  Speaker 4: In New York, there were choppers overhead twenty four, it
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  Speaker 4: was like living in saving private in situations.
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  Speaker 5: You could see the streets were so empty and it
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  Speaker 5: was bizarre. And I also think, what's interesting, like you
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  Speaker 5: also saw that like wildlife came back around, right, Like, yes,
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  Speaker 5: the water was cleaner because because you were drinking.
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  Speaker 4: From the East River.
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  Speaker 2: It was some beautiful time.
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  Speaker 3: It was a magical time. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen out my front window of a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: view of the valley and it was crystal clear. I
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  Speaker 2: could see so far that I was like, what is
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  Speaker 2: that over there? I've never seen.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it just shows you, like we are the problem.
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  Speaker 5: We are human beings are the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's us, whether it's on the subway or up where
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  Speaker 2: the viewer.
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  Speaker 3: It's all of it. We are the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. My god, how are you guys going to
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  Speaker 2: solve that problem on your podcast?
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, yes, we we actually we have a ten
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  Speaker 4: step plan. It starts with me to down kicking people
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  Speaker 4: on the subway. It's a whole plan. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: we're excited about the show. I mean, we actually are
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  Speaker 4: approaching a lot of these issues on the podcast. I
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  Speaker 4: for the people who maybe know me from the internet,
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  Speaker 4: maybe they don't everything I do there has to be
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  Speaker 4: a this is what you can do button on the
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  Speaker 4: end of it. I don't want any more doomscrolling. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want any more think pieces about fascism. It's not
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  Speaker 4: interesting to me. It is depressing speaking of ketamine, and
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  Speaker 4: it's just not something I'm interested in consuming anymore. And
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  Speaker 4: I just feel there's like this, I'm not a journalist,
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  Speaker 4: but I am like a citizen who has at least
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  Speaker 4: some knowledge of what folks can do to flex their
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  Speaker 4: democratic muscles to combat what's going on in this country.
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  Speaker 4: I do a lot of work with immigration advocacy, so
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  Speaker 4: a lot of what I do is like, Okay, this
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  Speaker 4: is literally what you can do from your sofa right
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  Speaker 4: now if this is pissing you off, if this is
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  Speaker 4: bothering you. So we don't cover any fucking story that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have something at the end where it's like, this
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  Speaker 4: is what you can do if you didn't like this
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  Speaker 4: and you want to do something.
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  Speaker 3: So teaching moment's super a teaching.
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  Speaker 4: Moment and like not like a like didactic educational like
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  Speaker 4: sit down and eat your vegetable situation. It's like, no,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to talk to this congressman. And I think
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  Speaker 4: in the first episode, we talked to a congressman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, dude, what is the literal to do
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  Speaker 4: list of what you are doing to fix?
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  Speaker 1: It's overwhelming because very especially on social media, it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that person was wrong, you have to do this, No,
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  Speaker 1: this person is wrong to do that. This is you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just you don't know where to start.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the great thing is that because Michael
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  Speaker 5: is an attorney, he sort of understands the law. I
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  Speaker 5: am not, though, So I feel like maybe I can
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  Speaker 5: represent like most people in the audience, right, So I'll
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  Speaker 5: ask him a question like, Okay, that's great for you
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  Speaker 5: as an attorney to go in and help one person.
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  Speaker 3: What can I do? What can I do?
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  Speaker 5: And I think I think a lot of us are
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  Speaker 5: have grown weary of hearing this advice of like, well, right,
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  Speaker 5: you're congressman, all right, sure, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right?
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  Speaker 3: What is this Victorian.
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  Speaker 2: Word?
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  Speaker 4: Miss it?
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  Speaker 3: What can I actually do?
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  Speaker 5: Right as somebody as a LA person, you know, somebody
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  Speaker 5: who has sort of average resources, right, And like I
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  Speaker 5: don't have a huge social media presence, But what can
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  Speaker 5: I do? What are the conversations that I could have
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  Speaker 5: with people? And I think you know, at the end,
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  Speaker 5: we're all looking for hope, right, but real hope, not
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  Speaker 5: like airy fairy do you know what I mean? Like
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  Speaker 5: I hate like I hate that, Like well you could
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  Speaker 5: just sort of like I love my family very much.
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  Speaker 4: But like.
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  Speaker 5: But like no, no, you have to say it, right.
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  Speaker 5: But like a lot of the times and if you are,
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  Speaker 5: we're on we have WhatsApp groups, and I think this
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  Speaker 5: is like a very sort of immigrant sort of situation.
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  Speaker 3: There's a family WhatsApp.
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  Speaker 4: Group, Melissa's family from from Haiti.
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  Speaker 5: And they are big prayers, right, They love to pray,
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  Speaker 5: They love a good saint. And I what I get
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  Speaker 5: really frustrated at is like, you know, God is in charge.
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  Speaker 5: That's great. Yeah, that's great if you are a believer.
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  Speaker 5: Not everybody is, and that's also okay, But what can
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  Speaker 5: I do?
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  Speaker 4: We also have like non deities in charge too, who
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  Speaker 4: have responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, because it seems like there's like kind
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  Speaker 1: of a disconnect. The Internet connection isn't great between us
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  Speaker 1: and like you know, beauty in the meantime.
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  Speaker 5: In the meantime getting broadcast? What can we what can
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  Speaker 5: we actually do? What is you know? What is one
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  Speaker 5: thing that I can do right, like an individual thing.
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  Speaker 4: That's how I mean the podcast kind of came together
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  Speaker 4: was because Melissa and I would sort of get together
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  Speaker 4: and we'd be like, what are we what is going on?
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  Speaker 4: What can we do? And we would kind of talk
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: about it, especially around like the Black Lives Matter movement.
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  Speaker 4: We were sort of figuring out like and and those
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: were the dark days of the PAN first year. What
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: can we do? How can we be safe? How can
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: we what can we do if we get arrested? What
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: happens if something goes down at a protest? Like people
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: were getting beaten in reason right, right, So we were
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  Speaker 4: kind of looking at each other as just as dear
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  Speaker 4: friends know each other. What do we do?
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  Speaker 2: What do we do?
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  Speaker 3: How do we help?
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  Speaker 4: So that was really like when we came into the show,
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  Speaker 4: we were like, all right, that is the governing principle,
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  Speaker 4: that is our guiding light.
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  Speaker 1: I love that because it's like when two people who
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  Speaker 1: agree completely talk, it's like now turn to us.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a podcast exactly.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: It's like we loved crying together. Let's sucking.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: It makes me think though about you know, the amazing
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: No King's protests. But then of course, like the two
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: three days later, we start to hear on social media
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: it's like protests don't do anything, Marchians don't do anything,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: and it's like, just as a person who isn't you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I grew up in the eighties and nineties where political
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: action was not cool. It was like, you don't talk
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: about that. That's for those people that went to like
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the student un or whatever, and like everybody else needs
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: to be rock and roll. And you're watching, you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the fall of democracy kind of in front of you
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: and me seeing that where I'm like, that feels like
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a bad faith voice that's now in here, when clearly
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: that was powerful and huge. And then then you see
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: the ice raids and you see these people being taken
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and the rest of the community just coming right up
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: and around and then they walk away, and I'm like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that's what it does.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: It does, right, and that is the best part about it, right.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, my husband and I we go, we take
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: the dog for a walk every night and we have
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: like a debrief. We do like our daily sort of
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: like debris.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Is it one of those dogs on your shirt?
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Jack Jack is a jackets a dog.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: He's wanted an all fifty States sexual offender Megan's Law,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: just humping strangers and dogs in the st like he
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: is a wild animal. He is a rescue with two
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: men for a reason, because they can't handle any other situation.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: He's thirteen, going dementia. Yeah, just watch dementia. Oh yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: he's like he's starting the sunset at night. He just
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: oh my god, he's yeah, you do even more adorable
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: and endearing as he just becomes like this like crusty
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: goblin and it is just like wandering around.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: The house late, just like a senile cat. And she
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: screams me, just howls is me me.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: She's like sixteen, okay, and she's going through it and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: people keep giving us cat nip toys shaped knives, like
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: bloody knives and axes.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: So she carries a bloody knife around the house. I
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: don't know, sorry, this is not here or there.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: She's kitching you. Her new horror, I know, the irony
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: man being killed by a cat.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Kind of okay with that. That's actually that's probably in
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Final Destination three or something like that. We go on
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: these walks and we sort of debriefed, like and we
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: were talking about the New King's Protest, and I was
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: like rad like what did it do? Like why is
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: this important? And like he's like much more emotionally stable
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: than I am, and he was like think about like
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the impression that made on everyone. Not the president, yeah,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: everyone else in an elected position in government saw this outcry,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: saw all these people coming out, and when you're looking
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: at that crowd as an elected official who isn't in
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: the White House, you're seeing the people who are going
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: to vote or.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Not correct correction.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the real power or something like that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, that's yeah, what else does protesting do?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: That sounds so dorky, but like I really want to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: know because I'm scared to go out in big crowds
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like that and like what's going to happen? Is it
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: smart to, like, you know, get in the middle of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: an ice raid? Is it smart too? Like what should
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you do?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Which you see that? Yeah, that's a.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Really good question. I asked that question too. You know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: what do I do if ice comes into my neighborhood?
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: What do I do if ice comes to my workplace?
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: What can I do?
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I Mean, there's a part of me that feels like
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: if they're in my neighborhood, I'm going to go it's
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: just not yelling immigration is here, don't open your doors,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: don't open your doors immigration.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I feel safe doing that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: The ACLU currently has a lawsuit up against uh this
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: administration against ICE because they are arresting American citizens and
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: they're being held in detention centers, which is a clear
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: violation of so many costs. Right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Did you see that when they tried to like yelling
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I'm from the Bronx.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: The New Yorker and me just my heart just opened
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: up and he was just like, suck my dick up.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And the girl in the polka dot dress.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: So crazy with the double middle finger love her for me.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I'm just like I mean, I always think not myself
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: is like the governing principle, and everything I do, it's like, Okay,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I know, I'm a white man. I'm usually in a
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: suit and a tie. I'm usually at like an immigration courthouse.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I Am going to be the person who's in the middle. Like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: is how I need to like exercise that privilege?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: You can stand up exactly.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I get incredible privileges in life being a white man
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: in a suit who has an education. I can walk
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: right past security guards into any building or business in
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: New York City security doesn't follow me around stores. Okay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I get all these like fun privileges. When I get
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: pulled over, nothing weird, it happens. Okay, what can I
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: do to help those people who don't have those same privileges? Right? So,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: how can I intervene in that adversarial situation where someone's
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: getting arrested?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Can we?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Like, how can that people like us?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah? So thinking a lot about like depending on the situation,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Like I can advise people to break the law, because
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I'll lose my life now, but I mean definitely attending protest,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: definitely contacting. It depends on the situation too, right. I
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Mean there's this incredible image on TikTok of like a
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: young girl in like a pilates oupha with an iced
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: coffee sitting down in front of a car that has
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: migrants in it. It's just sitting in front of a
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: car that's trying to drive away.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: People who've been to.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Tank, I think you you figure out what your comfort
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: level is, right, and then maybe and as time goes by,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: maybe you push it a little bit, right. So you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I think I said this on our show, right, I
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: was talking to somebody and I'm like, you know, if
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: somebody says something in front of you that is clearly
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: racist or is an aphobic, and and they think it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: a joke, my favorite thing to do is to make
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: that person feel uncomfortable.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Right, Oh my.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: God, this is the Melissa does this and she is
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: an absolute.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Con and I'm just like, oh, wait, I don't understand, Like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: turn it around to me.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: That's because you know, you know, they're you know.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: They're black, they're gay, and you whisper it and cannot
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: whisper it and be like what sorry, I couldn't hear you.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't understand. Wait, So it's funny because
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: of that. And then eventually, yeah, the person is just
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: like frozen and they're just like oh no, I mean
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: so someone was.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Like, well, because there, you know, touching the skin.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, And.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Then and then like blank blank blank blank, like when
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: you're frankly, the audacity right of somebody to come up
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: to me, a black woman and be like because and
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: this person was not a black person or a person
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: of color, and they were.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Just like because you know what, like, and I was like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: what are you saying now?
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: I didn't feel like, again, I'm not somebody who kicks people, right,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: so I did not.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Story about going to have to.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: But but if you are not somebody who is sort
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: of naturally aggressive, right, or you're not somebody who likes
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: to sort of cause a scene, you do it in
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the space where you are, right. So I made this
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: person explain to me what it was they were trying
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: to do. And then there is something and maybe this
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: is me just being petty patty, but there's something that
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: I find invigorating about watching the person deflate.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: In that way. You are not allowed to do that
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: in front of me.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: There was somebody that I knew who they had asked
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: a question about whether or not the person was Indian,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: and this person said, this person said, dot not feather,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: excuse me.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: We took great umbrage.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: And so again is it the nineties, Explain to me
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: what it is that you're trying to stay here.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: And a lot of people said in that discomfort.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Them uncomfortable until they are squirming, and hopefully without being preachy, right,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: if that's not who you are, hopefully you've turned that
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: into some kind of a teachable moment.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: So, like the same person, this person was deeply problematic.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: But you know, we were talking about getting Mexican for
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: lunch and they said, oh, you're going to home depot.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: What fire? Which is.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of us have sometimes people like
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: that in our lives, who think that they could say
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: things like that and that they can get away with it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: If you are not somebody who was confrontational, there is
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: a way to turn that into a teachable moment, right.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: That's kind of your podcast is going to be doing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see christ interview people who don't
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: agree with you.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Very few people agree with that, and I am I'm
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: actually I'm actually really interested because of the rage the
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: rage problem that I have.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Am I going to be able to like perfect timing
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: for a time? Am I going to do?
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: What was the name of that woman from the Housewives
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: who threw up the table? Is that Liam Teresa on
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: the table?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: We recorded the iHeart Studios in New York, which they
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: have they our producer c Jada Bolt on the table
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: just for just reliability. But I wasn't gonna I was
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: going to give you an note.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: How has that then? Because like you guys, just going
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in and doing your weekly video podcast is that like
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: adjustment for you guys, anyway, it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Is, and I can It's really what's really interesting is
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: that I can see it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: So when I our first one, I think, when I'm
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: watching myself listening to myself, I feel like I came
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: across kind of wooden, do you.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Know what I mean. I was nervous. I was nervous.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I was anxious.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: And I'm used to the conversations that I had with
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Michael being between Michael and I, not with cameras, not
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: with people looking at us. But I've been able to
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: see we've been doing We've done quite a few of them,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: and I have gotten more comfortable, you know, even though
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: it doesn't really feel exactly like the conversations that Michael
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: and I have when we were.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Alone, but it does.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I feel very safe with Michael, and I feel like
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: that's coming across right, Yes.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Like difficult conversations. I mean, we're talking about abortion rates,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: We're talking about access to contraceptives. We have an opportunity.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: People have the opportunity to leave us a voice smail.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: We play it on the show. I ask questions, Yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: people ask us all sorts of crazy stuff. I mean,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: we call it tales from the dms where we go
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: into like the crazy things people DM me, which is
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: like sometimes.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Why absolutely insane, but I love it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Admitting to a crime.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: That TikTok Michael made a TikTok recently, just showing there
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: was a couple of them, right, people saying like my
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: client was like, I totally did it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Writing in writing, Yeah, a DM ever been used as
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: evidence in a court case?
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah. So under the Fourth Amendment, anything
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: you text or your phone records, you are technically sharing
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: them with a third party and you don't have a
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: right to privacy. So if you are texting someone technically
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: or texting at and T who then sends it to
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: your friend, so you've already breached that expectation of confidentiality
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: and the text message, and therefore it's not protecting under
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: the Fourth Amendment.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I remember being way really young and hearing that those
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: remember the used to supermarket cards, that they were like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: membership cards.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah card, Yes, that they can subpoena that. Yeah, below
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: my fucking mind.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, a guy found out that his wife was cheating
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: on him from the easy Pass. Yeah, I got the
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: easy Pass wreck going back and forth.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, yeah, that'll do it?
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Yea. I represented her in the divorce and how's she doing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: She's great, flourishing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: She got enough money to use that easy pass and
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: hire me girl. You got this.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a public world, like it's that I
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: think that kind of information, especially for say a gen
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: X or something where it's like that was not the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: truth for my whole life until twenty six seven whatever,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and now suddenly it's like, oh, you're on the on
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: camera at the.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Store here, and I'm going through I'm going down Montana
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Avenue and someone is filming me in the way because
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: they're like, look at this self driving car go by,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I've been documented at this place here. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: at this moment, I.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Mean, aren't you As a fellow gen xer, I am
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: so glad that my life was not recorded.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Right every morning I wake up the Lord, thank you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Get it on camera right now? What was it? Do
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: it straight to camera.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I used to do a lot of fake talk shows
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: where I was being interviewed by David Letterman, but it
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: was just an empty chair.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Oh my god. I used to drive around talking back
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: to Terry Gross and I'd be like, oh, what was
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: the question? I go and I'd answer.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: That, Terry, I'd be chatting with her this is Jeopardy,
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: and you'd be like really trying to construct the perfect
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: answer where you're like, Dave, the thing about me is
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: that just I feel like I'm a natural I used
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: to do.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: That, and I would do like my haunting n PR voice.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: You know't have run an pr well, Terry. The thing
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: about existing as a queer man in America, he's so calm.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: We look at ourselves the way that we see the
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: world reflection in a mirror back of what's happening in
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the world around that is actually perfect if you're watching
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: book me, I feel like.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: My voice has never gone to that decibel in natural
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in the natural world, Natural world, such a bad person.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: That's a beta blocker voice.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Talking about Oh I love a good Beata.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: That has got me through this tour is take a
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: beta blocker.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the hotels to like leave it on
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: the pillow for me, like I am waiting by the
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: wayside now that everyone's like paleo and not eating sugar,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: I want a little patan al on my pillow before
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: because it's just like commune a little bit and it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: nice it's not like a Xanax where you're like.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: It's not Nope, you can take it in the middle
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: of the.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Day, operate heavy machinery.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Recommend you don't please don't.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I feel like I need to investigate that you do.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I said your racing thoughts in a way that's does
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that like Xanax does too. But you're fucked up, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and likens.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Down the like music playing in the background in your.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Brain exactly, which is just Sabrina Carpenter on a list
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: tour right, like crazy.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: We actually I actually, oh my god, you're the composer
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: from exactly right. I don't know if he has a
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: head out on me because I had him change the
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: music too, and I had him based off Sabrina Carpenter.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we're allowed to say this on
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: the show, but I sent him house tour and I
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: was like, can you take the underlying like nineties theme
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: from this? Melissa and I have a lot of nineties references. Yeah, uh,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know Dunker even though she.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Was a child, even though yes, and I was out
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: here making terrible decisions.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Just you my name's name?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: How did you guys me? Speaking of that?
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Melissa and I have gotten to know each other
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: through we work together. We've known each other just for
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: about a decade now, right, and we have one absolutely chaotic,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: villainous best friend who is sort of the glue between us.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: She's my favorite, Alissa, and she is our best friend.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Alyssa is the kind of person yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Alissa is you know, the kind of friend that you
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: have that is down for whatever. Alyssa, We're going to
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Croatia tomorrow.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: She's she's at the airport.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: She upgraded your seats and.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: She has the miles like she is never home. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: we tracked your location because we kept do we have
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: shared custody of this thirty seven year old woman?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I know because I worry about you too.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Are we at a casino in the morning. I'm on
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the away because my dog is pissing everywhere. I'm cleaning
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: it up and I'm checking your location. You do?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: And she's like, oh, I just gota.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Do you remember when her she left her phone and
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Angel found it had a Yankees game and a guy
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: named Angel and the Bronx found it. He did, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: she was like, I'm going to go meet this guy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Angel's got my phone, and I was like, you are
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: going with me?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: You can't do that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Angel I was like, you're paying for the uber. I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: coming with her on your security, and we went and
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: got her phone.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Is a good friend, it was.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: It was more the paperwork alone. If something happened to her,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that paperwork. I'm not talking to her
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: parents about this. It is untenable. It's not going to happen.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Could Alyssa ever make an appearance on the podcast D Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Chaotic Corner, which.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: The problem issue to be there on time never mind? Yes,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: but I do think at some point she's going to
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: get so mad. She does have major fomo she does.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: She's going to kick down that fucking studio door happen
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: in a chunky boot.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: What can she bring to the table? What can she
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: help with? Do we think? What does she what's her strength?
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Alyssa just brings herself like the Alyssa energy, Like everybody
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: needs a.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Friend like that, Sally.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I went to a drag show with Alyssa last weekend
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: and Clint and she whatlet.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: The record reflect, they never asked me to go to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: any kind of things.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, it was we went at midnight okay, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I had a couple of drinks on me and this
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: is always out. So I text her. I was like,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: meet me at the show. I'm in the bar and
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: i can see her through the window fifty feet away
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: and I'm there for like ten minutes watching her on
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: her phone, and I'm like, what are you doing? So
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I called her because I'm like, I know you're on
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: your phone and I'm in here throwing dollar bills out
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: of drag queen yep, And she's like, sorry, booking a flight.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: She was booking a flight at midnight jeroone on the street.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: It's all the time.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Where's she go?
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think she and it was like, that is
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: a computer activity. That's not a phone at we don't
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: book phone that's a desktop situation. We're not doing this
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: on our phone.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: She does.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I'm too scared.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I do it all the time, as it's not flights obviously,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: but like, can you use your phone for.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Things like that in public?
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Should you? I don't know?
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're putting because you're putting your credit card information.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: But how my credit cards have been stolen all the time. Yes,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I think they think I'm running game, because it's like
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: it's always like eighty like eight hundred dollars of vapes
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and queens on my credit card. They go to the
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: vape store like down the road.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Stock up while we have this credit card available.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: And I'm on the phone with the person from AMEX,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I swear I listen to this voice.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: It's not a voice, hard smoker. Okay, this is American spirits.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: To do American spirits.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: All these Yeah, thank you.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe she'd be great at you guys could do
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: like pick a side.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, we could do a great debate.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: She'd be great about that. She would be actually really good.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: If you don't know, this is a little game where
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: essentially we just make you pick aside in a very
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: benign Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: People write in just their basic problems. We're not going
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to solve that anyone's big problems.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Don't listen to us.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: That's not our I a litigator to come out and
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: fucking fight about something. Settle on a hell yeah right, okay,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I'm so ready.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to go first?
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: You have good one.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Let's see.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: The subject line of the email was seventeen years of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: contention Hi, friends, boy, do I have the lowest stakes,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: longest running pick aside for you. My husband and I've
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: been married for seventeen years, and at least twice a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: month for that entire time, we have argued over which
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: is better, the basic Kraft mac and cheese with the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: powder or the velvet to shells and cheese with the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: sauce pack. I'm not going to tell you who prefers
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: witch so as not to bias your opinion. This is
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: such a low stakes issue. This is we will both
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: eat either, our kids will eat either. It's just an
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: argument over preference. But I want the upper hand, so
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping you ladies agree with me. Thanks for everything
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: you do, Brooke.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, do you want to rock paper scissors for a side?
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: You go ahead first?
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, should I do like an opening statement and
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: thank you ladies and gentlemen of the jury. I will
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: be representing the Velveta Cheese here in court today and
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: you're going to hear a lot from the defense about
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: what is and is not cheese and what constitutes cheese.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: We have experts here in the courtroom. We're going to
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: talk about the process that powders go through and how
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: they are still cheese even though they're reconstituted. However, let's
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: say an animal gets run over in front of your house, right,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: very sad, very tragic, and no one comes and cleans
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: it up, and it's a particularly dry season and it
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: dries out right, and then it rains and it reconstitutes.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Is that still an animal? I don't think so. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: you're going to hear a lot from the defense about
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: what is and is not reconstituted cheese here today. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: what I'm here to tell you is at it acent because
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Belvida is in its purest form. We're not modifying, We're
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: not at You don't have to add and take away
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: in order to give something its original shape, texture, and taste.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: So in conclusion, Velvita is and always will be the
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: best mac and.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Cheese, the best box mac and cheese. Yes, yeah, okay,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: so I'm not going to do it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Michael just did.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I couldn't do that anyway, It's you said.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: That all the time. Yeah, whatever, Michael just did.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: I hate them both, but I suppose that's the problem,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: is that I don't like fake cheese, and they both
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: they both feel like fake cheese to me. However, there
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: is a certain level of creaminess to the velveta shells
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: mac and cheese. What I wish though, what I wish, deeply,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: deeply wish. I don't like my mac and cheese with shells.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I like my mac and cheese with like the elbow type. Right,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: So if we could do macaroni with macaroni, if we
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: could do the creamy mac and cheese with the right.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Pasta, has anyone done that? I don't know.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You know, there's somebody out there that buys both and combined.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Sure, that's what I would go for that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I like the shell because it gets kind of stuck
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: in there. You don't like that?
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that answer is just so diplomatic.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: It's just like it's very much yeah, Kerrie Russell.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: But I feel like Melissa malbranche response, Yes.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you do. Like that's usually response always
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: like it's all disgusting. However, I will say that, you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: I do make my own bestchamel for my macar I
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: do she does?
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: You know what, lady's your what's your recipe?
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: A combination has a good one. My grandmother had a
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: good one. I usually come combine all those things. It
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: can't just be the one kind of cheese. You need
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: several cheese.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: To Each one has a different purpose.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: And I like a baked mac and cheese as opposed
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: to a stove top mac and cheese.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: They have different purposes. Yes, when is late night? Yes,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: sound drunk? Yeah, you need something to snake one your
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: kids shove it in their mouth. You're done.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, We're always I'm Melissa is always making fun of
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: me because I go to Taco Bell when I am
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: just glazed over, and people will recognize me as like
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: the TikTok lawyer at four am Taco Bell, because it's
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: all like twenty two year olds from TikTok at the
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Taco Bell therapart you except for me. I'm like the
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: long in the tooth, a little long in the truth
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: to be going out all night.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: It's just tac.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: You're not supposed to get crutch girl. And so when
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I am there sometimes people will be like, Sod's giving
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: me trump, Oh my god, And I'm like, I've got
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: one eye on last weekend and one eye on next
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: week that is and gone. There is no way I
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: could be giving legal advice at this point. And Brad
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: stepped in the one time he was like, he cannot
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: be giving listen to anything. He said, he will right
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: because because he was at the club with me what
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: I was doing. He's like, you should not be talking
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to anyone right now, not.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Even after forty eight hours, when I yes, yeah that's true. Okay,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: one another one. Wait, wait, where do you guys come?
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we don't matter.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: You're trying to make you guys argue. Well, I have
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: very early daycare memories of Kraft mac and cheese that
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: when I smell it, I just go like that, like
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: that kind of like I realized I was being warehoused
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: at age four, and I was just like, what the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: is it is?
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Reaction? Yeah, I can smell at Chabani yogurt across the
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: something platform. I can triangulate someone's fucking location based off
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: that goddamnani smell. You know that smell? Yeah, it's like
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: powdering the airport at five hours. You didn't sleep, You're
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: waiting to bore your stomach for the South there already.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're making me so sad.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Anyway, sorry, bring us back, Bring us back.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a Midwestern husband who loves snacks and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: like really bad food, so he buys the little cups,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: individual cups.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Craft. Oh yeah, we do the powder. We mix it up.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: It's like perfect. And then you add more cheese.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Oh from the real cheese. You got to get that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know what they're doing at the Telemook Factory.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Delicious and I was just happy people living in a
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: beautiful valley.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: I met one of the employees and he was, yes,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: he's like dating my cousin. They might be married. I
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: didn't if I didn't send a gift, I'm.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Sorry, no you're not.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: This is a gift to get so and he was like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: I've worked there for years and it's like the most
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: wonderful employer. It was like it was actually I think
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: it might be a cult.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: We stopped there on the way from like Portland to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the to the ocean, and it's this gorgeous look. It
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: looks like you you suddenly went into the picture on
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the front of a package of cheese. Like the little Hills,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the like Green Hills go like this in the split
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: idyllic farmhouse, perfectly stage.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: They have a.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Dairy and a factory that you can tour, and then
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: at the end you can buy whatever they make. And
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: there's this big ice cream shop. So everybody there at
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the end of the tour is eating triple scoop the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: ice creams and smiling and singing.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: What's everyone's ice cream order? That's a that's a good Yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: peanut butter and chocolate. Peanut butter and chocolate.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Cookies and cream.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Brend and Jerries has everything but the Yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: The earliest who can't make up their mind right, like
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit of everything, chocolate chip because I very cleansing, yes,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: very light, elevating. Yeah, it's like the elevated choice for
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: the modern woman.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Like the Orpper patty where it's like, this isn't a
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: chocolate bar. Those are my favorite.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite because those are egg whites in there. Yeah,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: it's not vegan, so so be warned. I came here today.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: I was like, I was in I have a full
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: leather jacket having a big leather back, and I was like,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I hope, no, one not exactly right.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of I'm sure there are.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope they're not. And you know what, I
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: can handle it. I'm okay. You know I've been through worse.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Sure you passed the bar.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: You're still part of this family.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, as long as it was it really just
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: a big fur a big bear, a.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Vintage for we talked a lot about vintage for.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Okah, Right, I think it is, I mean, And maybe
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: I'm just sort of like trying to I don't know
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: justify what I'm doing, but I feel like it's already right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And I didn't do it, and.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: It was a minute ago. It wasn't like last.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: The first four coat that I got I inherited from
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: an aunt of mine, and I will say that I
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: remember when she got it, and for her, I feel
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: like it was a moment where she felt she had arrived,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: like it was like a big deal. I feel like
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: in the eighties, right when I was growing up, a
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: woman with a fur coat was a woman who had arrived, right,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: that is so, yes so, And she passed away and
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: she didn't have any children, and the rest of my
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: cousins all lived in sort of tropical places. So I
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: was like, so it's either I take it or it
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: ends up in.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: A landfill somewhere, right.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: And I also, because I love estate sales so much,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: there was this woman who she wasn't publishing, she had died.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: She had the best clothes in the world.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: People publishing have fears the publishing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: And distract up and I bought her for a coat
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and I love it so much.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: But I get that people called me from the estates side,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: and I'm the friend people call when they're like about
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: to maybe do something on ethical or like, I just
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: kind of want to like run the gut check past you,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: because my ethics are a little gray. I would say,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: you know, I do represent people accused of violent crimes.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I do a lot of work with immigration defense,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: but sometimes there are like a lot of crimes attached
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: to it. I was just telling the two of you
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: before we started rolling about my client who has was
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: maybe or maybe allegedly caught with a bunch of heroin
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: at the border. So we've a lot of things. I'm
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: sort of the ethical gray area friend, which is like
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: a really fun person. And Melissa did call me and
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: ask me. She didn't call me as if she I
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: did there was some sort of penous crime committed. I
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, do it. I died and my mom
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: donated her first to the animal shelter.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Threat, but you know what though, I had so a
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: while ago when I got this coat I posted it
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: and I was just like, what do you What do
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: people think.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I should do?
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: And a lot of people said that I should donate
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: it to an animal shelter.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: For the puppies to like snuggle with when they're like
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: if they don't have their But I.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Was like, yeah, I don't know, Like it felt weird, right,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: It's almost like giving chicken to a chicken.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: There's there's a butcher shop in New York. I lived
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: there very quickly.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: I'm so worried where the.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Outside is a little pig chef you're talking about?
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I took pictures.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: The first week. I was like, what the f It's
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: just like, come get our sausages.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh no, did you know him.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: A hot dog putting ketchup and mustard on himself?
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: What that is? Weiry?
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Hard?
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: No?
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: No, yes, yes that is yeh.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: We're excited. We're going to talk about fat discrimination on
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: the next episode. I'm so excited because I was a
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: former fact kid and I was treated viciously growing up.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: And you know, whatever your like body journey is, is
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: your own journey.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: And I had weight loss surgery about eleven years ago now,
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: and I will tell you It's been really interesting about
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: that journey. Is the world is not kind of fat people,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: not at all. And I can't tell you I could
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: feel the difference in the way that I was cheated,
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: even by strangers, right, people look you, and the people would.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Look me in the eye. Now people were on the
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: street sort of kinder to me.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: The one thing I will say that I wish was
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: that there is a body positivity movement right now that
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: I wish that I would have been part of, because
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: I think a part of what was wrong with me
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: is that there was self loathing, yes, right, and really
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: feeling like I sort of didn't deserve to be treated better, yes,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: which I feel bad for.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: The person who I was for that reason.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Right, But it is amazing to see, especially young women
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: these days, not having any of.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: It, and I love that for them so much. And
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm sorry that I missed out on that moment
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: because when I was like seventeen years old or twenty
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: years old or thirty years old, I needed it then, yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And it felt like it would never change. I mean,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: that was the kind of thing where it's like we
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: lived in a very Vogue magazine world, very singular the monoculture.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Cookies right, and dye culture was so fucked.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Up, so huge that it's like we would never have
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: that conversation about shells and cheese versus mac and cheese,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: because what a pig? What are you saying? Like exactly
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: that whole culture. And I think that's the upside of
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: social media, where it's like everyone got on there and
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: then a bunch of people were like, Hey, how about
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: you don't say that, but you know what I mean,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: how about you adjust that position and what you think totally.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about like discrimination lawsuits around
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: fat people and how they're treated and like things that
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: have been litigated. So I think it'll be an interesting
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: kind of like entry into that, but we always end
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: up talking about like our personal experiences with these, so
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Know, it's amazing.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: It hits home.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for a lot of people, like everyone, even if
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: you didn't like live that experience, you know someone or
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: you had a family member who was always treated differently,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: or you always heard like someone's side from Mark after Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what I love about this is like the legal
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: side of things. I feel like I'm not part of
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that and I'm not there, like I can't be part
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of that conversation because I don't know legal terms at all,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: but but I love that you guys make.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: It PU now yeah, yeah, you know you may. I mean,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: this conversation is very similar to the podcast and that
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: it's got your central thing you go there, but you also,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: like friends just kind of talk through things, discover things.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking about like looted art and like
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: stolen art and then the Louver robbery.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Were like somebody got arrested.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got So we're I mean, we're recording every week.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: It'll be a very topical episode. I think we record
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: a couple it comes out a couple of days after,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: so we will be covering headlines like what's really happening,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: and I'll dive into like the law behind it. But
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: like I'm not a Supreme Court litigator, like I am.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I am at the local courthouse with your drug dealer,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: with the person who was drinking and driving, like I
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: am there with like the local public defenders and the
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: local prosecutors. This is not going to be like an
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: esoteric legal podcast where we're pontificating on like the latest
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Supreme No.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I think the point is to sort
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: of like give some information and also make people laugh
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: and made people sort of recon like, oh, you know what,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: I'm going to think about that, and maybe I've heard
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: this thing from Melissa and Michael's podcast, and I'm going
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: to look and do a deeper dive.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Right, I contextualize it too, right, like what do you
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: do if you get pulled over? Okay, we're going to
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: do this like twice, once for white people and once
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: for black people. The things that happened to the two
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: of us when we get pulled over are very different,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: very different. Yeah, And I've started giving legal advice in
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: my practice to migrants based off of their appearance, based
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: off how brown they may appear, which is it's always
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: kind of been like that. I mean, criminal defense attorneys
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: and immigration attorneys, we've always had to sort of think about, like, Okay,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: this client is from Sweden. It's going to be a
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: little bit different. Maybe we do this thing a little
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: bit differently, or do something over here. But now it
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: is quite explicit. It was always like inferred, and I
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: think especially defense attorneys were always acutely aware of like
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: racial injustice and the justice system. But now it is
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: so explicit. The quiet parts being said out loud, full chest.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: So it's been a really interesting time to start up
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: because the first episode I was like, what the fuck
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: are we going to cover? I mean, there's so many
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: We've got too many things.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: There are so many things, so much but we.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Will be We'll be in the studio every week talking
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: about it. And I always say I'm flying around New
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: York City on my broomstick. I bike everywhere. I bike
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: up and down Second Avenue to the courthouse, and then
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: I come after after court wraps at like five o'clock.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I wear up on my bike with.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: A helmets, wear a helmet safety first.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: My dad taught me that I fly up to the
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: studio after uh trial wraps.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do should we do one more pick aside?
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: And then we'll do a pick aside for them.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: But it'll be all constitutional law and we.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Don't know.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: We told you we're sweating. Okay, should be on? Yeah, okay,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: this has solved my disagreement. Do you shower after?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: How having a bath?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Hello MFM family, love you all. Recently, I had a
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: disagreement with my fiance. At the time, I was so
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: sure I was in the right that I pulled my
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: friends and family to find out it was more of
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: a divisive, divisive, divisive topic than I.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Don't know if it's divisive because I said one on
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: TikTok and everyone fucking came from it. They were like,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: this discussive man doesn't know how to pronounce that they
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: came from the People just started calling my phone after that.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: It could be that or the swifties.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: So easily triggered everyone's divisive about it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I still don't know data so much.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I know what.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Everyone off.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: When you have a bath, do you shower afterwards? My
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: view is that you do all that relaxing, that showering
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: afterwards would just undo the relaxing. The bath also cleans you.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: That's how people have been cleaning themselves for centuries. My
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: fiance says that you need to wash off the SuDS if,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: for example, it was a bubble bath. What other people
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: have said is that that you are lying in your
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: own dirt. That's what I think to what I have
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: realized that my information gathering is that most people who
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: are British where we live and where my family is
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: agree with me. But my fiance, who is Polish and
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of other my friends who are from other countries,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: they have another opinion. I haven't asked any Americans yet. Yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: please help all the different Thank you, Laudian.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry we're not taking any advice from England, like hygiene.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry to have any British. Sorry, all of us
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: around the table have fierce teeth we're looking at. So
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: we're not going to England for any how, we're gonna.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I've been there, I've lived there. It is Why are
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: first swall in England? The two faucet's hot and cold
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: about a mile apart, and sink why I'm getting I'm
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: changing time zones to get warm water. This is absurd that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: The war's over. Guys getting together around the.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: World for three hundred years. That was absolutely force, Yes,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: but like anyway, so that that was the first thing
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I heard, and the second thing I heard was for
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: centuries people am a bathing like this. I don't think
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: it's been documented that they were bathing particularly well.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: They used to.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Be.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's so.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Lain and simple.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Let's do the most updated version instead of looking back
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to our.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Ancestors what they have wanted to do, probably get the
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I wish.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: I could get the film off are all post baths
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: shower not?
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: You are not not so after a bath you just
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: get out later, lean to myself, but.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: You've been No, no, I'm not dirty though.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Like I married my husband and he was like, what
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: are you doing? I was like, why are you getting
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the shower? Like what a fucking wake a call after
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: this relaxing thing. I mean, I'm not that dirty to
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: begin with.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Again, what you're taking a bath?
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: It's like I wanted to tell you, nos, always just
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: had a little bath, right, just a little? Are you?
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Are we thinking that the bath is for cleaning or
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: relaxing both?
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: I think both, Okay.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: I think that sometimes the bath bombs are like so
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: strongly scented. I worked a lush in two thousand and
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: nine as a holiday higher before law school. I had
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: to make money while I was setting for the l sets.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: I had four jobs. Was one wow, and my laundry
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: smelled fucking wicked after the end of the day. You
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: those bathrooms smelled crazy.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I was asking for U t I not to fucking
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: one for sure.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, but as someone with very thick hair, I can't
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: wash my hair in a bathroom. No, no, no, So so you're.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe like a face mask. Okay, some magnesium.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Magimum salim drives my skin out a little bit. Yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: but then I have.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: To take you so you're adding something else, Like yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: I definitely feel like the bath. The bath for me
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: is relaxing, not cleansing.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: But showers aren't. Don't wake me up showers, I'm like
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: still going to sleep.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: The shower and the bathtub have to be separate.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: I will, oh, you won't do a shower, Okay, Mims
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: div has never lived in New York.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Always, Yeah, I've lived.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've lived in apartments and I haven't taken it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Didn't take baths for my years.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: They fell in the tup. This is like, oh my gosh,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I'm crazy. And I think I called you because why
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: would I call my husband? And I called Melissa And
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: this is these are the friends we are. When your
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: cat died, you called me and not her husband Andre
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: like this is how this is how emotionally dependently? Yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: really were They were like can you come help deadlift
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: this ninety year old man out of the tub. My
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: neighbor came and got me and I'm like, you know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: I'm there. I'm like I'm ready, and I go down
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: hard cut to me trying to live this man out
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: of the dub it was and I was like, was
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: he alive? I was like, he needs medical assistances.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I have to call it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: They didn't want him to go to a hospital. They
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: were like he might get an infection. Oh my god.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: And I was like, this is this is beyond my
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: capabilities at this point. This is as a neighbor, this
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: is like yes, right yeah. And I went back forty
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: minutes ago by the police came. I'm talking to the police,
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: were doing a translator situation. I go back upstairs. My
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: husband's still watching TV. He's like, where were you? I
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: was like, sorry, what were where were you?
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: Help?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: You enjoyed Dancing with the Star watching TV.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Slide on Dancing with the Stars. What the what if
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: my drag downstairs covered in blood?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Wait?
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: But also like if you helped him and he got
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: hurt from it, he could sue you.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Oh right sure yeah, And that was my thought as
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: a naked octogenarian was laying over my shoulder bleeding on me.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is a head trauma situation. This
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: is really something that we need medical assistance.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to know when it's beyond your powers.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Anyway, we moved and I don't talk to my neighbors anything.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: I don't talk to and I've lived there for years
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: in my new apartment, and people come, they see me
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: come off the elevator, and.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: It's they want to talk to you so bad because
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: they're like, I saw you on TikTok, my TikTok neighbor.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be that guy who has to
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: come pick your grandpa up out it. I can't do it. Yeah,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: that's too much.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like this could go on for I don't
• 59:27
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• 59:29
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