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Peru_s Alien Mummies Are a Hoax_ Says the Man Who Examined Them _ Joe Rogan _ Timothy Alberino(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Extremely worded. And then of course you have those, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the alleged alien ummies down there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about those, because there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people now that are saying that those are
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  Speaker 2: elaborate hoaxes.
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  Speaker 1: I went down to Peru. I was invited to go
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  Speaker 1: down there by doctor Roger Zuniga or Professor Rogers zuna Get.
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  Speaker 1: You go down and look at the specimens that they
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  Speaker 1: have the Eco Museum. They have four specimens at the
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  Speaker 1: Eco Museum. The most impressive specimen that they have there's
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  Speaker 1: called Maria, and Maria's in the fetal position. She's a
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  Speaker 1: large one of the larger mummies. Then they have a
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  Speaker 1: few other ones. They have two of the of the
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  Speaker 1: the small ones, the ones that Haime Massan famously you
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  Speaker 1: revealed over there in Mexico during that thing that he
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  Speaker 1: did over there, that press thing, and and then you
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  Speaker 1: have one that's called Waweita, which seems to be like
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  Speaker 1: some kind of a combination of different things. And so
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  Speaker 1: I went down there to the university and walked up
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  Speaker 1: to these things. And at first, I have to say
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  Speaker 1: my first impression of Maria, I didn't really care about
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  Speaker 1: the little ones. I never believed that the.
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  Speaker 2: Little ones look squirrely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never believe that they are living organic beings.
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  Speaker 1: They're very rigid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very rigid.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, like their morphology really
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  Speaker 1: could have worked in the real world, like monster that
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  Speaker 1: Monsat and Maria and there's a bunch of them. Those
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  Speaker 1: are very compelling when you when you're standing excellent looking
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  Speaker 1: at them. They were compelling. So I looked at the mummies,
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  Speaker 1: and then I interviewed Rogers again, and he's very, very
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  Speaker 1: convinced that they're one real sincerely. I mean, I like
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  Speaker 1: Professor Zuniga, and he really is convinced. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's not trying to perpetrate some kind of a hoax.
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  Speaker 1: Neither is anybody at the University of Eca. There's a
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  Speaker 1: good faith effort going on there to try and investigate
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  Speaker 1: this and and and continually do testing and there it's
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  Speaker 1: it's an open field there.
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  Speaker 2: I've done genetic testing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done all kinds of testing. So here's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of testing done, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the interpretation of the data has been confident, and
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  Speaker 1: so initially I was pretty impressed. I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: more likely than not. I even said this on that
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  Speaker 1: Michael Knowles show, that it was more likely than not
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  Speaker 1: in my mind that the larger mummies like Maria were real.
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  Speaker 1: But I've since reversed that position. I think it's more
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  Speaker 1: likely than not that all of them are a hoax.
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  Speaker 1: That's my personal opinion. And this is a hot topic,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like an X and stuff. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people who are absolutely, sincerely convinced that these things
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  Speaker 1: are real. The problem is that this entire thing started
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  Speaker 1: with a with a grave robber, a very shady individual,
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  Speaker 1: and the very first mummies that were brought forward were hoaxes,
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  Speaker 1: were fake. That's how it started. And you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is a whole it's a whole saga we don't have
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  Speaker 1: to get into. But it started with fakes, started with
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  Speaker 1: a hoax, and then they, you know, then allegedly they
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  Speaker 1: started to produce the real ones. And I just have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time believing that that this is an elaborate hoax.
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  Speaker 1: Now I've talked to some of the individuals who've who've
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  Speaker 1: done some of the scientific work on these. They don't
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  Speaker 1: want me to mention their names or anything. They're trying
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  Speaker 1: to just sort of stay neutral. They don't want the press,
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  Speaker 1: and they they also doubt that they're they're real. They
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  Speaker 1: think they're really really elaborate hoaxes. And I know that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money has exchanged hands in regard to
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  Speaker 1: these things. Maria was up for sale from a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars at one point, and I mean, if you're approving
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  Speaker 1: grave robber, a million dollars is like a billion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so that's to me, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, we see what the Maria one looks like.
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  Speaker 1: That's not that casts a lot of shade on the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing for me. Now, I can't say scientifically the DNA, DADA, this,
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  Speaker 1: that the other, but there's a lot of debate going
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  Speaker 1: back and forth on this thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the problems is anatomists, experts
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  Speaker 2: in anatomy have looked at the structure of the feet
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  Speaker 2: in the hands and they they it doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: jive with what they understand about the structure of feet.
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  Speaker 2: That's true that the bones are not in the proper position,
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  Speaker 2: they're not the proper size, they don't it doesn't look
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  Speaker 2: like it makes sense. But damn, Like, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: If it is a hoax, Like, what an amazing job
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  Speaker 2: they did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the
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  Speaker 1: history of archaeology.
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  Speaker 2: Who did it? And like, what what talent this person has?
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  Speaker 3: It's a new note because this website was the Tritactyls
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  Speaker 3: dot org. It got up. There's a little note that
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  Speaker 3: popped up. It says they have ongoing research that just
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  Speaker 3: got outdated.
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  Speaker 1: This is a great website.
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  Speaker 2: What is the ongoing Research's.
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  Speaker 1: He Maria might be Mario, Yeah, Mario, they call him
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  Speaker 1: Mario now.
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  Speaker 2: To dude, maybe he's not binary.
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  Speaker 3: A bunch more data down here. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: all this stuff is interesting data.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great resource there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Tridactyls dot org. Go to the images of
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  Speaker 2: it again, go down like right there so this, uh okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is a three D scan.
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  Speaker 3: These are videos of the scans.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking weird man. Look at the length also of the
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  Speaker 2: fingers and the toes. But you think that's a hoax.
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  Speaker 2: People say they wouldn't work there, you know, I would
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  Speaker 2: you say, Jamie.
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  Speaker 3: People said that, like the you can't grab stuff. There's
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  Speaker 3: pictures down here. They have a people trying to where
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  Speaker 3: was it trying to grab stuff with I might have
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  Speaker 3: been looking at different Yeah, I was looking at this.
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  Speaker 3: These are the fingers that you couldn't bend. They wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: bend or something like that. It's hard to like this
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  Speaker 3: person trying to grab stuff with long fingers without bendable
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  Speaker 3: you know. Uh append, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're assuming that they had to grab things.
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  Speaker 3: What would you have fingers for.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they put them on a spaceship. That's how
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  Speaker 2: they pilot it. Maybe they've gone past the idea of
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  Speaker 2: picking things up. Maybe they lift things with their mind.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's how they move the blocks into place.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm more convinced than that they're that there are hoaxing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I can't say definitively.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would lean in that direction because I want
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  Speaker 2: them to be real and the problem. But also whoever
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  Speaker 2: did hoax them? Like monstrat, whoever hoax that? Like, what
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  Speaker 2: an amazing job you guys did. And also there's some
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  Speaker 2: of them that have weird implants in their heads.
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  Speaker 1: Implants, Yeah, they want A couple of them have them
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  Speaker 1: in the hand, others have them in.
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  Speaker 2: The forehead, very weird.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them have fetuses apparently, although that's there's some
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  Speaker 1: dispute about that. They say the fetuses look like you
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  Speaker 1: know that they look the same as the adults, which
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  Speaker 1: would be remarkable if true. But that's disputed. Everything's disputed, right,
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  Speaker 1: There's I mean, there's there's there's there's a factional battle
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  Speaker 1: here between the believers in the naysayers, right, and they're
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  Speaker 1: both looking at the same data, interpreting interpreting it differently.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I just sort of stand back and say,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I can tell you how
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  Speaker 1: it started. It started with grave robbers, very very seed people,
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  Speaker 1: and it started the initial ones were not real. I
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  Speaker 1: know that because I know the individuals who were involved
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  Speaker 1: in that whole thing. So just that alone, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: that alone.
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  Speaker 2: But then how did they make the skin? How did
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  Speaker 2: they cover it? How did they make it look like.
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  Speaker 1: They're really good? I mean, you know, if you were
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  Speaker 1: selling these things for hundreds of thous if you were
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  Speaker 1: making one hundred thousand dollars, just one hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: on one of these mummies, and you're a poor grave robber,
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  Speaker 1: you would do anything, take whatever time, whatever it took
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  Speaker 1: to produce one of these to sell it to make
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: But how did they age them? Like, and they're really old.
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  Speaker 1: They harvest the pieces from the graves, from from the Nosca.
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  Speaker 2: Construct this somehow from really old skeletons beasted together.
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  Speaker 1: That's the allegation, and also from old lamas and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the other weird things about these elongated
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  Speaker 2: heads is that they have where it connects to the
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  Speaker 2: spine is in a different position than a human skull.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there is some indication of that. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: was pointing out on that the one that with the
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  Speaker 1: skin on it, there is a very interesting morphology with it,
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  Speaker 1: with it with the neck whork connects into the spinal cord. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on anatomy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: All I can look at it and say is that's
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  Speaker 1: freaking weird. Immediately, Really it is weird and all I
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  Speaker 1: and I mean I always just remind people just you
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  Speaker 1: can argue about all the data all day long, but
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  Speaker 1: if one of those people walked into this room right now,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't just be a little weird, right, it would
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  Speaker 1: be it would be utterly bizarre
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  Speaker 2: And an actual real human mummy or