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Club 520 Films - Jeff Teague talks BUTLER RECRUITMENT & NIL with BUTLER Head Coach Ronald Nored · Club 520 Podcast

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of five twenty fields. I'm
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Speaker 4: your host coach Lou. Before we introduce our guests, Man,
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna introduce my co host coach.
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Speaker 5: Move far less man. What's up? Get into it? Coach Jeff?
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Speaker 5: What's the word?
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Speaker 6: An excited man? We got a special Yes for sure.
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Speaker 5: Very served, guys.
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Speaker 4: I said, we got special guests to my left, newly
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Speaker 4: appointed head coach at Butler, Sir Coach Ron Nory, how
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Speaker 4: you doing, man? We appreciate you, good man. Appreciate you
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Speaker 4: having man. Appreciate you man. Before we start off, we
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Speaker 4: kind of started this podcast. We all guys who used
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Speaker 4: to hoop. We don't really hoop no more so we
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Speaker 4: coached either. So when when was that time that you
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Speaker 4: knew it was time to hang up the shoots? Last
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Speaker 4: summer was.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was.
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Speaker 7: I was in a little men's league last summer in Atlanta,
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Speaker 7: and you know, people started to pick me up full court.
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Speaker 5: Pressing. I started talking trash and yeah, all right, you know.
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Speaker 7: I still thinking I can do what I used to
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Speaker 7: I couldn't do a lot, but still think I can do.
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Speaker 5: You know what I used to be able to do.
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Speaker 5: I just couldn't.
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Speaker 8: So I was like, all right, it's time to hang
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Speaker 8: them up. It's time, it's time to be done. Get
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Speaker 8: the best of us, all of us. We usually start
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Speaker 8: to show off with the coaching spotlight.
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Speaker 4: So since you were our first, you know, college coach,
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Speaker 4: we want to spotlight you about your coaching career, how
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Speaker 4: you got into it first. I actually didn't know this
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Speaker 4: when you got done player, you were the head coach
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Speaker 4: at Brownsburg High School, My first job. How did that
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Speaker 4: come about? Yeah, I didn't know that either.
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Speaker 5: How it was Yeah, it's funny.
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Speaker 7: So the long story I try to give it to
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Speaker 7: you quickly, is so the Super Bowl was here in
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Speaker 7: Indye my senior year, and we were having this big
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Speaker 7: super Bowl party at my house and we were playing
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Speaker 7: Detroit at home. I got tripped and fell on the floor.
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Speaker 7: I smashed my face on the floor and broke my teeth. Wow,
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Speaker 7: and uh, you know yeah, like someboddy like they like
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Speaker 7: took my hands out. I was about to turn it over,
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Speaker 7: so I dove for the ball to try to get
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Speaker 7: the ball back and both my hands got caught. My
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Speaker 7: face went or just throw my teeth up. So we're
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Speaker 7: preparing for the super Bowl party. I couldn't eat anything
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Speaker 7: because I couldn't chew, you know, I could barely talk.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 7: The next practice or a couple of practices later, you know,
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Speaker 7: it's just a normal practice or whatever. You know, did
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Speaker 7: my thing, and then before I went to the conference
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Speaker 7: tournament that year. The horizon of the conference tournament, Brad
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Speaker 7: was like, Hey, I want to talk to you when
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Speaker 7: you get back. So we get back from the tournament
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Speaker 7: and he's like, hey, the game, after the practice, after
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Speaker 7: you hurt your teeth. The superintendent, his name is Jim Snapper,
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Speaker 7: Brownsburg Schools, was at that practice.
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Speaker 5: Wow.
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Speaker 7: To see how you were interacting with the team, seeing
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Speaker 7: how you were going to act, all that stuff, see
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Speaker 7: if you know what people said about you was real.
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Speaker 7: And I got my job because he, the superintendent, showed
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Speaker 7: up to a random practice that I had no idea.
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Speaker 7: My teeth were all busted up, and so that was
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Speaker 7: a blessing. But it was a great experience. You know,
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Speaker 7: any in high school basketball is as good as it gets.
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Speaker 7: Coaches are unbelievable. We lost the Pike, by the way.
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Speaker 5: At Pike, the coaches were unbelievable.
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Speaker 7: And so to be able to have my first job
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Speaker 7: against some of these great coaches in this they you know,
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Speaker 7: really good players, d one players every single night.
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Speaker 5: Was it was a good way to start my career.
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Speaker 4: That's dope, man, that's no better do me for dudes,
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Speaker 4: you know, But I didn't know he coached at Brownsburg.
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Speaker 4: I said, I've been coaching high school basketball for eleven years.
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Speaker 4: It was probably I wasn't that Pike. Yet when we
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Speaker 4: beat you guys, I don't think we ever lost the browns.
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Speaker 3: Burglet's put that in there, but not yet, like.
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Speaker 5: You lost the Brownsberg. But it was going Hayward, I
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Speaker 5: was a freshman. Yeah he turned it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he definitely turned So after that Brownsburg that
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Speaker 4: start stint. Uh you transition into the G League? How
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Speaker 4: was that transition for you?
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Speaker 5: It was a great transition.
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Speaker 7: Uh. You know, I was there in Boston with Brad
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Speaker 7: and you know, he told me like, hey, you're going
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Speaker 7: to start in the G League, and so you know,
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Speaker 7: the two The kind of theme of my career is
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Speaker 7: I've been able to coach right from the jump. You know.
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Speaker 7: It was not like, uh, you know, a or video
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Speaker 7: coordinator things like that. So my first job, I was
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Speaker 7: a head coach. My second job, I was an assistant,
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Speaker 7: you know for a pro team, you know, and so
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Speaker 7: like it was just me being throwing the fire and
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Speaker 7: I you know, if I look back, I can't remember
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Speaker 7: every day from that year, but if I look back,
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Speaker 7: it looked at myself coaching I would probably you know,
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Speaker 7: think I was crazy and terrible coach. But I got
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Speaker 7: to experience it. I just got to do it, and
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Speaker 7: so to be able to do that to coach pros.
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Speaker 7: A lot of these guys at that time were just
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Speaker 7: older than me or my age, and so to be
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Speaker 7: able to you know, learn how to interact as a
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Speaker 7: coach with guys like that was It's something that helped
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Speaker 7: me even throughout my NBA career when I was coaching
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Speaker 7: the NBA, because that was every team I was a
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Speaker 7: part of.
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Speaker 2: How was it coaching guys that's the same age as you,
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Speaker 2: they can relate better to you, or they kind of
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Speaker 2: like bro were.
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Speaker 5: The same age, Like, how was it? Yeah?
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Speaker 7: I mean I figured it out, you know, I think
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Speaker 7: all of us know, just the relationship that you build
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Speaker 7: with guys is most important, you know. But I was
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Speaker 7: never a guy that was like, you know, hanging out
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Speaker 7: with the guy, you know. I always kept that coach
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Speaker 7: relationship for sure, that coach player relationship, you know, a
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Speaker 7: little separate, so that you know, when it came down
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Speaker 7: to it, you know, I could coach them.
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Speaker 5: But I think, you.
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Speaker 7: Know, we all know, like guys want to know you're
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Speaker 7: with them, but they also want to know you know
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Speaker 7: what you're talking about, you know, And so I think
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Speaker 7: just being a real dude you know them knowing what
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Speaker 7: you're talking about was something that allowed me to just
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Speaker 7: coach guys even though we're my age or older.
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Speaker 4: That's dope, man, that's dope. I guess from there, I mean,
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Speaker 4: you've been all over every level.
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Speaker 7: You move fast to like one year, stop trying to
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Speaker 7: slow down now, I'm not going.
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Speaker 4: To Yeah, but you transition into college. What's the biggest
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Speaker 4: difference from I guess the pros to the college level.
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Speaker 5: Now or when I when I coached with that first time.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was at Northern Kentucky University and we were
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Speaker 7: actually it was we couldn't go to the install of
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Speaker 7: a tournament that year. It was the last year at
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Speaker 7: their transition from D two to D one before you transition,
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Speaker 7: so we couldn't go to the tournament.
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Speaker 5: Man, there's a lot of differences.
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Speaker 7: I think the biggest one though, is the amount of
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Speaker 7: time you spend with the guys.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, like you go on the road, you
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Speaker 5: have your.
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Speaker 7: Team dinner, you have team film, you have like you're
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Speaker 7: just together all the time in college or in the NBA.
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Speaker 7: You land and I tell people all the time, like
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Speaker 7: you know, when I'm in the when I'm in the hotel.
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Speaker 5: I never see players in the hotel in the NBA,
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Speaker 5: you know, I see them we get on the bus.
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Speaker 5: So I think that's the biggest difference.
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Speaker 7: It's like the amount of time you spend in that,
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Speaker 7: you know, just that time together is a lot different.
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Speaker 4: Yet then obviously from there you the head coach at
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Speaker 4: Long Island with the next organization, and then after you
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Speaker 4: transitioned that, you went to the Hornets.
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Speaker 5: How was that working with the Hornets? That was great.
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Speaker 7: I was originally like going to be behind the bench
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Speaker 7: coach with them, and was fortunate to get on the bench.
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Speaker 7: You know, I think I was like twenty six or
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Speaker 7: twenty seven at that time.
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 7: I know, I've been super blessed of my career with
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Speaker 7: the opportunities that I have had, and so, you know,
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Speaker 7: it was just the next step in the journey. You
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Speaker 7: know that I got to coach Kimba who beat us
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Speaker 7: in the National Championship game.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And Jeremy Lamb was on that team, you know,
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Speaker 7: and so and Shelvin Mack ended up being on the team.
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Speaker 7: So it was Jay Lamb and Kimba, me and Shelvin
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Speaker 7: on the same team, and so like around the final
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Speaker 7: four they like, hey, let's do a let's do a
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Speaker 7: final four national championship. Like talking about but you know,
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Speaker 7: to coach a guy like Kimba, you know before he
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Speaker 7: got traded to Boston was man, kim was the best
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Speaker 7: dude ever. But to coach a guy at that level,
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Speaker 7: you know what he was doing, it was special. It
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Speaker 7: was forty you know, forty a night. You know, I'm
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Speaker 7: at six feet tall, you know, So No, that was
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Speaker 7: that was that was a great time.
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Speaker 4: No, I said, like Jeff mentioned, you're moving around, moving
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Speaker 4: up the ranks. You went to the Pacers and then
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Speaker 4: you finished your uh finished this last year with the Hawks.
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Speaker 4: Kind of talk about that Hawks group this year. I
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Speaker 4: know it was a little tough for you guys at
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Speaker 4: the beginning, but you guys finished strong. Can you talk
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Speaker 4: about how that year was?
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Speaker 5: This year? Special year? Special year?
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Speaker 7: Obviously we started our team to start the year was
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Speaker 7: a lot different than we ended. Yeah, you know, Trey
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Speaker 7: got hurt I think Game five at Brooklyn this.
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Speaker 5: Year, and really it was like, man, like, what what
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Speaker 5: are we going to look like?
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Speaker 7: You know, because Trey, Trey was so good and could
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Speaker 7: put us in any position at any time, and the
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Speaker 7: way the team came together, you know when he got hurt,
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Speaker 7: because we had to you know, like it wasn't just
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Speaker 7: like Trey's gonna get us out of touch spots, and
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Speaker 7: we had to come together and do that. And we
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Speaker 7: really were able to build something special. We want a
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Speaker 7: crazy run. And when he got hurt and then we
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Speaker 7: had a little rough pass. We had guys coming in
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Speaker 7: and out, you know, all year. Trey came back, you know,
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Speaker 7: Chris Stat was kind of in and out, and then
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Speaker 7: you know, the trade deadline happened, and then we had
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Speaker 7: we finally had the team. Yeah, and the almost exact
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Speaker 7: same thing happened again, you know, and we got the
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Speaker 7: great part.
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Speaker 5: We've got older, older guys. We got CJ. McCullum.
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Speaker 7: Uh, you know, we got Jack Landell like you know,
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Speaker 7: and so like to get these older guys that have
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Speaker 7: had the experience, they really helped the young group go
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Speaker 7: to the next level what we ended up seeing at
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Speaker 7: the end of the year. So I learned a lot
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Speaker 7: that year this year, and it was it was really
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Speaker 7: a special group.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, you know, we talked about the
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Speaker 2: Hawks a lot because Jeff, what do you think is
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Speaker 2: a piece they can get out of the draft that
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Speaker 2: can take them to that next level.
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Speaker 5: Man, that's a great question.
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Speaker 7: I haven't thought about the Hawks a lot since I
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Speaker 7: left a half months ago, so I don't know exactly
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Speaker 7: what's happening down there, you know, obviously, Like I think
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Speaker 7: it would be good to get a young point guard,
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Speaker 7: you know, somebody that's just like you know, just they
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Speaker 7: can play pick and roll, make every pass, make every read,
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Speaker 7: be a great defender. You know, there's a lot obviously, CJ.
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Speaker 7: We played Dice in a lie at the point guard
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Speaker 7: in Dison. I mean, Dyson is unbelievable. But just to
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Speaker 7: have that young point guard that you can just give
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Speaker 7: the ball to. He can play picking and roll, you know,
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Speaker 7: continue to get bigs that can support you know, oh
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Speaker 7: big old down there, I think will help too. Obviously
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Speaker 7: you got Dison and you got Jalen. You know, these
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Speaker 7: guys gotten to kill. Like you know, the the Wings
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Speaker 7: are pretty locked in. But you know, I think to
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Speaker 7: have maybe a point guard in the big that can
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Speaker 7: continue to beef up the team would be helpful.
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Speaker 3: You can always use a point guard to be always.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about your I know
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Speaker 3: you're gonna be a great coach. You've been a great coach.
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Speaker 3: You've been doing your thing in the coaching world. But
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Speaker 3: I know you from playing basketball. I remember you at Butler.
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Speaker 3: I know about your career, how you committed to Western Kentucky,
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Speaker 3: things like that. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about
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Speaker 3: your playing career.
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Speaker 5: So what was it like.
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Speaker 3: I know you was in high school, you're under recruited,
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Speaker 3: but getting a Butler and having the moment in the
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Speaker 3: runs that you had a Butler back to back final
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Speaker 3: fours and things like that.
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Speaker 5: What was that experience like life changing for me?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, because you know, I was not like I was
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Speaker 7: recruited a lot, but it was all men majors, you know.
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Speaker 7: So it wasn't like I wasn't ranked. I wasn't a
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Speaker 7: four star, five star.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 7: I was a good So I was a good high
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Speaker 7: school player, you know, but coming to college, I was
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Speaker 7: just a good, solid player.
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Speaker 5: So to be in that environment on am I'm from a.
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Speaker 7: Small town in Birmingham, Alabama, you know where we do
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Speaker 7: football down there.
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Speaker 5: So to come to Indiana and now I do have
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Speaker 5: a lot of family here.
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Speaker 7: I grew up coming up here to Indy, so I
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Speaker 7: knew about it, but to be in that environment and
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Speaker 7: we're pretty good.
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Speaker 5: My freshman year, my sophomore year we go to the
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Speaker 5: national championship game. My junior year, we do it again.
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Speaker 5: And just the amount of love.
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Speaker 7: That the city showed us, that the country showed us,
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Speaker 7: I mean, to this day, even before I was a
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Speaker 7: head coach of Butler, to this day, the amount of
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Speaker 7: people that like still remember that and we'd be like, yo,
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Speaker 7: they mean, I remember my nigh, but they're like, you
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Speaker 7: look familiar for some reason, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 7: That for me coming from like where I came from,
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Speaker 7: is like that I did not expect that to happen
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Speaker 7: at all, to ever be that person, you know. So,
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Speaker 7: and it was a special team. It's a special group
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Speaker 7: of dudes that were still close. You know, we're all
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Speaker 7: still close, and so yeah, man, it was life changing.
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Speaker 3: And when you got the job, I'm sure since you
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Speaker 3: all y'all are close to what was that like when
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Speaker 3: everybody found out you were getting the job? What was
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Speaker 3: that text like in a group check?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think everybody was pretty excited, you know,
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Speaker 7: you know, just trying to we all remember, you know,
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Speaker 7: the years we were talking about when when I played here,
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Speaker 7: when we played here, and so to try to take
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Speaker 7: what that was and to try to recreate that at
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Speaker 7: this day and age now, it's hard.
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Speaker 5: It's different, you know.
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Speaker 7: I think we talk about it all the time, me
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Speaker 7: and a couple of guys like I think, if you know,
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Speaker 7: our team at that time, our Horizon League team would
13:43
Speaker 7: have done, you know what, would it don't would do
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Speaker 7: what we had did. Then we probably all would have left.
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Speaker 7: We would have had to, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 7: It would have been good to stay together, but it
13:53
Speaker 7: would have been it would have been hard, and you know,
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Speaker 7: so to try to recreate that and this time is
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Speaker 7: it's a challenge. But you know, fortunately for me, you know,
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Speaker 7: I've coached the G League where the teams come in
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Speaker 7: and out, you know, NBA where there's trade deadline and
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Speaker 7: things like that where you're having to put a team together.
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Speaker 7: And so I think just from that standpoint, those experiences
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Speaker 7: and just coming back and trying to bring those back,
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Speaker 7: I think everybody was pretty excited about it.
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Speaker 4: Sure do what was it like, obviously you played with
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Speaker 4: a couple of NBA players. What was it like We're
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Speaker 4: being around Shelvy and Gordon around those times, did you
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Speaker 4: know being that they would be future NBA players.
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Speaker 7: I mean, you knew, you knew Gordon pretty early, you know,
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Speaker 7: to be his side six eight sixty nine, to be
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Speaker 7: able to dribble, pass and shoot, post guys up, make threes,
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Speaker 7: make midies, finish at the rim, athletic defensively.
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Speaker 5: He had all the tools.
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Speaker 7: You know, he just needed to grow a little bit
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Speaker 7: to you know, to his body and all that.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 7: But we were at we played Georgetown and Massion Square
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Speaker 7: Garden in the middle of my sophomore year and it
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Speaker 7: was like, all right, this dude is yeah, is for real?
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Speaker 7: And then we played Steph at Davidson Uh, you know,
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Speaker 7: one of those years too, and he went crazy. It
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Speaker 7: was like, all right, you put these two together. And
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Speaker 7: then we make the run where it's just like every night,
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Speaker 7: every tournament game he's leading us, like you're like, all right,
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Speaker 7: you know, he's probably gone.
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Speaker 5: And then same thing with Sheldon.
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Speaker 7: It took Shelving a little bit longer, but nobody can
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Speaker 7: stop Shelving, and you just knew it was a different level.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 7: Obviously we're playing the Horizon League, so we're not playing
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Speaker 7: NBA players every night.
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Speaker 5: There was some nights we did but then.
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Speaker 7: When we get to the tournament and we're constantly, you know,
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Speaker 7: consistently seeing high level teams and Shelbon is still tearing
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Speaker 7: them up. It was like, you know, like, all right,
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Speaker 7: you can come back our senior year, but you should
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Speaker 7: just go all right.
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Speaker 5: My boy man all that shit.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, what was funny about Gordon is that I
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Speaker 4: know we're a couple of years older than him. I
15:47
Speaker 4: really didn't hear too much about him. He wasn't as tall. Yeah,
15:51
Speaker 4: he was known for playing too, for sure. Yeah, that's
15:54
Speaker 4: what I'm like. It's crazy to see that a person
15:57
Speaker 4: can grow and then as tennis being their first work
16:00
Speaker 4: and being become are all start in the NBA.
16:03
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I always say, I mean obviously Jeff playing
16:05
Speaker 7: in the NBA, like being around the NBA for that long, Like,
16:08
Speaker 7: these dudes are just special and you know a lot
16:12
Speaker 7: of us try to say we want to get there
16:15
Speaker 7: or try to get there, but there's a god given
16:17
Speaker 7: ability that's given.
16:18
Speaker 5: City, right.
16:20
Speaker 7: I would say all these guys, you know, like even
16:22
Speaker 7: the guys you're like, yo, I could be him more
16:24
Speaker 7: than likely you can't, yea. These guys are you know,
16:29
Speaker 7: and even like the longevity of careers. That is like,
16:34
Speaker 7: I can't keep playing I shut it, I can't keep
16:36
Speaker 7: the long. The ability for these guys athletically to be
16:39
Speaker 7: able to keep playing long at the highest level for
16:41
Speaker 7: so long, that is god getting out. They're getting their
16:43
Speaker 7: bodies worked on all that stuff. But still this is
16:46
Speaker 7: a grind that these guys go through every single night
16:48
Speaker 7: for eighty two games. You know, like that is just
16:51
Speaker 7: guy given the ability. So like, you know, Gordon was
16:54
Speaker 7: fortunate that he had to grow spurt. You know, if
16:55
Speaker 7: he stayed six feet like he was as a freshman
16:58
Speaker 7: in high school, he's not an NBA player. He goes
17:00
Speaker 7: to six eight and he's got all those guard skills
17:02
Speaker 7: and tools like that guy.
17:04
Speaker 6: Get you know, yeah, for sure, that's definitely what.
17:07
Speaker 5: Was Brad like during his time.
17:11
Speaker 4: What made him kind of like a special coach where
17:14
Speaker 4: you look like this guy is different than the other coach.
17:17
Speaker 5: Man.
17:18
Speaker 7: It was hard for me at that time because he
17:20
Speaker 7: was my only you know, I had a great high
17:22
Speaker 7: school coach who was actually from Indiana for Fort Wayne, uh,
17:27
Speaker 7: but Brad was my only like college coach.
17:29
Speaker 5: You know, He's the only yea, So I didn't I.
17:31
Speaker 7: Couldn't see what was happening, but I could get some
17:33
Speaker 7: feedback from you know, my guys that were playing other places.
17:37
Speaker 7: But everything was efficient, and everything was about only the
17:41
Speaker 7: most important thing, you know, Like there was never.
17:44
Speaker 5: Any waste in motion with Brad. And what I think
17:46
Speaker 5: that allowed him to do was be organized.
17:49
Speaker 7: And so you know, at that time, people weren't really
17:52
Speaker 7: talking about college coaches drawing up atos, right, you know,
17:56
Speaker 7: and Brad was like drawn up unbelievable.
17:59
Speaker 5: We came out of the time out.
18:01
Speaker 7: We all knew it was a bucket or at least
18:04
Speaker 7: a great shot, and so you know, but that that
18:07
Speaker 7: came from him just being organized and not focusing on
18:09
Speaker 7: all these other things that we can start to focus
18:11
Speaker 7: on his coaches, Brad was always just process oriented and
18:15
Speaker 7: to me, that separated him, you know, and he just
18:18
Speaker 7: had a gift for just seeing the game. You know,
18:20
Speaker 7: he always knew what he was looking at, you know,
18:21
Speaker 7: he knew what he was paying attention to.
18:23
Speaker 4: Oh, I know both you got Jeff, you play for
18:26
Speaker 4: him with the Celtics. I mean I was on the team.
18:32
Speaker 4: Do y'all think we'll ever see him on the sideline again?
18:34
Speaker 5: No, no way. Why Why do you why do you
18:38
Speaker 5: think he good at what he's doing now. Unbelievable, it's working.
18:42
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
18:43
Speaker 3: He got out of, you know, how to put teams together,
18:46
Speaker 3: and then I think he like enjoys not having that
18:48
Speaker 3: same pressure on the sidelines.
18:50
Speaker 6: I think, I mean, it's still a pressure to build
18:51
Speaker 6: a team.
18:52
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot less pressure than every day
18:55
Speaker 3: grind when it comes to preparing the team for a game.
18:58
Speaker 3: I don't think he want because my last year was
19:01
Speaker 3: his last year. Yeah, and I remember him pulling me
19:03
Speaker 3: in the office and saying like like kind of like
19:06
Speaker 3: alluding to like, yeah, I'm done.
19:08
Speaker 5: Like what year was that again?
19:10
Speaker 6: This is twenty twenty one one?
19:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
19:12
Speaker 6: It's kind of like he was cooked kind of.
19:15
Speaker 3: And then he went upstairs right after that, so I knew, like, yeah,
19:19
Speaker 3: he was done.
19:20
Speaker 6: Like what he said to me was like he was
19:23
Speaker 6: just doing that. I've never seen.
19:24
Speaker 5: Brad like that.
19:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, probably because the
19:27
Speaker 2: difference with college in the NBA, Like you know how
19:30
Speaker 2: the NBA is you kind of in and out. Yeah,
19:32
Speaker 2: like going on college is more secure. I mean it's
19:34
Speaker 2: different now because in IL and so I could probably
19:38
Speaker 2: see that. Bro, it's a lot going on up here.
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Speaker 5: He's still a coach to me though, you know what
21:26
Speaker 5: I mean, like to when he left coaching.
21:30
Speaker 7: First of all, I saw the tweet and I thought,
21:32
Speaker 7: you know when he was when he made the transition.
21:34
Speaker 5: I thought he was going to coach in GM. I
21:36
Speaker 5: was like cool.
21:38
Speaker 7: But then somebody text me and I read the tweet
21:40
Speaker 7: again and it was like, no, he's just gonna be
21:43
Speaker 7: the GM And I'm like, there's no way. He did
21:45
Speaker 7: that early too, yeah, And I'm like, so in my mind,
21:48
Speaker 7: he's still a coach. So I hope he coaches one day.
21:51
Speaker 6: I mean, I know he'd be great at it.
21:53
Speaker 3: But like when I you was throwing him att crazy
21:56
Speaker 3: and he was like I text him, I was like,
21:58
Speaker 3: who's like that playing around here?
22:01
Speaker 6: Like no way, just row back, no way.
22:06
Speaker 4: It's like every crazy, like big time college job that
22:10
Speaker 4: comes around the always throw his name around.
22:12
Speaker 7: Carolina this year, Yes, we played Carolina this year. I
22:15
Speaker 7: was like, please take the job. That's why I can
22:18
Speaker 7: coach get you. So let's talk about you being at
22:24
Speaker 7: Butler upcoming. How do you plan to bring Butler back
22:31
Speaker 7: to what it was when you was playing? Not saying
22:32
Speaker 7: you can get to the national championship, but bring it
22:34
Speaker 7: in the Big East, making it one of the top
22:37
Speaker 7: teams in the Big East.
22:38
Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:38
Speaker 7: I think the thing that has made Butler good for
22:41
Speaker 7: a long time is like Butler has known any coach
22:45
Speaker 7: has been a lot of great coaches at Butler, but
22:47
Speaker 7: we've known who we are and we've known who we're not,
22:51
Speaker 7: you know, And so I think to just be really
22:53
Speaker 7: clear with our staff and our team about who we
22:56
Speaker 7: are and who we need to be to be successful
22:59
Speaker 7: is the most important thing. We don't have to get
23:01
Speaker 7: outside of any lane or try to do what anybody
23:03
Speaker 7: else is doing. Let's just be the best version of
23:05
Speaker 7: us and focus on what's going to make us successful.
23:08
Speaker 7: And to me, that's just being a great connected team,
23:12
Speaker 7: that's being super competitive every night, and that's being the.
23:15
Speaker 5: Most prepared team.
23:16
Speaker 7: I think if we can do those three things, then
23:18
Speaker 7: we'll put ourselves in position to get back to being
23:21
Speaker 7: the team in the program that we all know.
23:24
Speaker 5: Butther is a right sure.
23:25
Speaker 2: When you're recruiting a lot of these kids, because I
23:27
Speaker 2: know a lot of kids watch us.
23:29
Speaker 5: What's some of the things that you're looking.
23:31
Speaker 2: At when you're evaluating them and trying to see who
23:33
Speaker 2: you want to bring to your program.
23:34
Speaker 7: Number One, we're looking like our guys humble, And that's
23:37
Speaker 7: not like I'm not that good. That's just like, you
23:41
Speaker 7: know what, I can always get better, right right, Like
23:43
Speaker 7: I am what I am now, But I'm going to
23:45
Speaker 7: be in the gym because i know there's work to
23:47
Speaker 7: do and I'm gonna always get better.
23:48
Speaker 5: So that's that's number one. Number two is like are
23:51
Speaker 5: you tough?
23:52
Speaker 3: Like?
23:52
Speaker 7: Are you mentally tough? Can you get through difficult things?
23:55
Speaker 7: You know, the Big East is tough, a college season
23:57
Speaker 7: is tough. Can you get through that? Are you physically
23:59
Speaker 7: tough enough, you know to actually handle the physicality of
24:03
Speaker 7: the season. Can you compete every single every single drill,
24:05
Speaker 7: every single rep, every single possession you know, and for
24:08
Speaker 7: us too. The last thing is like can you can
24:10
Speaker 7: you be a great teammate? Like we give you a role?
24:12
Speaker 7: Can you play accept that role and play that role?
24:15
Speaker 5: You know?
24:15
Speaker 7: If we can find guys that do those four things,
24:18
Speaker 7: we feel like we have the right kind of guys
24:19
Speaker 7: in the building.
24:20
Speaker 6: No effects, definitely I wanted to talk about.
24:23
Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm a high school coach, so high school recruiting
24:25
Speaker 3: is very tough now because of the transfer portal. Being
24:29
Speaker 3: at Butler and obviously being in Indiana, where's a lot
24:32
Speaker 3: of high school players, I got a lot of talent.
24:34
Speaker 3: Will y'all be in the high school ranks? Looking to
24:36
Speaker 3: recruit a lot of high school players? Or will you guys?
24:38
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you're going to be in the portal.
24:40
Speaker 3: That's just the smart thing to do too. But how often,
24:43
Speaker 3: I mean, how many high school players would I look
24:45
Speaker 3: at a year?
24:45
Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, we're definitely going to be recruiting high
24:48
Speaker 7: school players. I think, you know number one. I think
24:51
Speaker 7: just that ability to you know, get a young guy
24:55
Speaker 7: and allow them to grow in the program.
24:57
Speaker 5: I think it's still a recipe for success.
25:00
Speaker 7: I think it's hard to sustain success when you're just transition,
25:03
Speaker 7: like you're getting a brand new team every single year.
25:06
Speaker 7: So we got to recruit high school guys. We want
25:08
Speaker 7: to recruit, you know, high school guys at a high level,
25:11
Speaker 7: you know, and guys that can play. You know, it's
25:14
Speaker 7: hard to recruit high school guys now that you want
25:17
Speaker 7: to say, like, you know, we probably won't be able
25:20
Speaker 7: to do red shirt anymore with what's happening with LA
25:22
Speaker 7: to five in five years, but like to have a
25:24
Speaker 7: high school guy that won't play he's just going to transfer,
25:27
Speaker 7: you know. So we need high school guys that can
25:29
Speaker 7: impact the game right now. Yeah, and so we're definitely
25:33
Speaker 7: gonna be recruiting high school guys. Try to keep them
25:35
Speaker 7: in our program the best we can. I think that's important.
25:38
Speaker 7: So and that starts here in Indiana. Like it's there's
25:41
Speaker 7: way too many players here in Indiana for us not
25:44
Speaker 7: to have Indiana guys on our team. That's that's that's
25:48
Speaker 7: important for us. So you know, it depends on what
25:50
Speaker 7: our team looks like as far as the number, but
25:53
Speaker 7: you know, there's a lead we're gonna e lade in
25:55
Speaker 7: our recruiting. As we're talking to guys, We're at least
25:57
Speaker 7: going to be five to seven deep at every position,
26:00
Speaker 7: tracking guys you know, in every class.
26:02
Speaker 5: Now that that could be more, that could be less
26:03
Speaker 5: depending on where we.
26:04
Speaker 7: Are and all that, but we need to have a
26:07
Speaker 7: good list of high school guys that we were heavily recruiting.
26:12
Speaker 4: Since you've been recruiting, have you heard anything like crazy
26:17
Speaker 4: from a player that you're recruiting as far as like
26:19
Speaker 4: request or in il Nothing, nothing crazy, But there's been
26:27
Speaker 4: some bad agents, that's what up.
26:30
Speaker 5: I mean, just like, yeah, you're just on the phone.
26:33
Speaker 7: It's like, man, like you just see like you're on
26:36
Speaker 7: the phone's agent and he's hurting the kid, you know
26:38
Speaker 7: what I mean, Like that that is happening. You get
26:40
Speaker 7: off the phone, You're like, man, you just wish you
26:43
Speaker 7: could tell the kid like somebody else.
26:48
Speaker 5: And so, you know, I feel bad for some of
26:50
Speaker 5: the kids in that, but I haven't heard it. I'm sure.
26:52
Speaker 5: I'm sure we will. We just went through one portal season.
26:54
Speaker 7: We're starting the high school stuff, so I'm sure that
26:57
Speaker 7: time will come.
26:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think is a good thing for college
27:01
Speaker 5: right now? I do? I do. I do think that.
27:06
Speaker 7: I do think that these players have value, you know,
27:09
Speaker 7: as basketball players. I think where it is is getting
27:15
Speaker 7: you know, it's getting difficult because the money is jumping
27:19
Speaker 7: up so draftically so fast, you know, and so it's
27:24
Speaker 7: just going to be interesting what happens, how people operate,
27:27
Speaker 7: continue to operating this. But I do think that it's important,
27:31
Speaker 7: you know, for for these young guys to be compensated,
27:35
Speaker 7: you know, because they do have value as basketball players. Now,
27:38
Speaker 7: what's hard for me coming from the NBA is that
27:42
Speaker 7: there are players in the NBA that don't play, that
27:45
Speaker 7: are NBA players that are making let's say, let's call it,
27:49
Speaker 7: two million dollars a year that if they came to college,
27:52
Speaker 7: would be significantly better than certain guys making way more
27:55
Speaker 7: money than them, Except that that's at times that's hard
27:59
Speaker 7: top your mind around, you know, But but I do think,
28:03
Speaker 7: I do think that these guys should be compensated for sure.
28:05
Speaker 2: Do you think the five year rule you think that's
28:07
Speaker 2: helpin you know, guys transferring every year. That's kind of
28:10
Speaker 2: I know, that's kind of crazy. You think that that
28:12
Speaker 2: rule will helps out a lot.
28:14
Speaker 7: I'm interested to see how how it goes, you know,
28:18
Speaker 7: you know, also with like the legislation that's happening in
28:21
Speaker 7: Congress and all just how all of it fits together.
28:24
Speaker 7: I like the five and five because it just clears
28:26
Speaker 7: things up for everybody. You know, like you come to school,
28:29
Speaker 7: you got five years to play, Like not red shirt,
28:31
Speaker 7: there's no waivers. Everybody is kind of in the same bucket,
28:34
Speaker 7: And so I think that helps just from a as
28:37
Speaker 7: you're building your team and planning out your team. Obviously
28:39
Speaker 7: there's still gonna be guys that are transferring and stuff
28:40
Speaker 7: like that, but I just think it clears up some
28:43
Speaker 7: of the mess that's happening.
28:44
Speaker 3: I hope they put the one free transfer rule in.
28:48
Speaker 3: I think that'll save a lot. Yeah, like you have
28:50
Speaker 3: to make you have to make a real decision at
28:52
Speaker 3: some point, because I think that's what's kind of hurting
28:54
Speaker 3: kids a little bit, that you have so many options
28:56
Speaker 3: you don't have to go through any adversity.
28:58
Speaker 5: For sure.
28:59
Speaker 7: It's it's it's not real life when you when you
29:03
Speaker 7: get a career and you have a job, you know,
29:06
Speaker 7: it's hard to just leave your job with no consequence,
29:09
Speaker 7: you know, And so you know, I think the I
29:11
Speaker 7: think the transferring every year is definitely definitely a challenge,
29:15
Speaker 7: and it's you know, you know, you know, making it
29:17
Speaker 7: difficult when when these guys are done playing, if you
29:20
Speaker 7: go to the NBA, you're not just leaving your team
29:23
Speaker 7: when things go wrong though, you know what I mean. Now,
29:25
Speaker 7: if you if you try to do that and you
29:28
Speaker 7: you know, don't act right, it's going to be really
29:30
Speaker 7: easy for teams to just cut you and just find
29:32
Speaker 7: another player that can be in the NBA. So there's
29:34
Speaker 7: some life habits that I think I agree with you, Jeff,
29:37
Speaker 7: like that can that can help guys out that.
29:41
Speaker 6: So being a coach Q Quinn.
29:44
Speaker 3: That's my guy, that's my mind too, And he's offensively,
29:48
Speaker 3: he's one of the most gifted coaches.
29:49
Speaker 6: I've ever been around.
29:50
Speaker 3: I mean, he had ideals when I was with him
29:52
Speaker 3: with the Hawks that was just outlandish at times, right,
29:55
Speaker 3: And then now to see how he wanted to coach
29:58
Speaker 3: back then, and that was might be too. That I
30:00
Speaker 3: was an eleven maybe or something like that, twelve and
30:02
Speaker 3: the things that guys are running now he wanted to
30:04
Speaker 3: run in twenty twelve, like all the Spain Acts and
30:07
Speaker 3: all the five outs and all those things. And being
30:10
Speaker 3: around him, well that play into any of your offensive philosophies.
30:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had.
30:15
Speaker 7: I mean Q and I have conversations daily, you know,
30:20
Speaker 7: just like deep conversations about basketball and what about this,
30:24
Speaker 7: and whether he would bring me in his office like hey,
30:25
Speaker 7: I'm thinking about this.
30:26
Speaker 5: What do you think? You know?
30:28
Speaker 7: And so for me as a coach to listen to
30:30
Speaker 7: watch him, like when I was before I was with Atlanta,
30:33
Speaker 7: I would always watch Q's like in the gameplay was
30:36
Speaker 7: watch Q's atos, you know, And so to be with
30:39
Speaker 7: him the last three years and see that there's definitely
30:42
Speaker 7: a lot of things just like screening angles, you know,
30:45
Speaker 7: the way your big runs in and out of certain
30:46
Speaker 7: pick and roll situations. You know, we will do a
30:50
Speaker 7: lot of you know, we were a fast team the
30:52
Speaker 7: last couple of years, one of the fastest teams in
30:54
Speaker 7: the league the last couple of years. We'll still play
30:56
Speaker 7: with that pace in some of the spacing and you know,
30:58
Speaker 7: some of the decisions and and things that we did there.
31:02
Speaker 7: Because you know, I think it's number one. I think
31:04
Speaker 7: it's like I think it wins number two. I think
31:07
Speaker 7: it's a fun way for players to play. It's just
31:10
Speaker 7: an enjoyable way, Like you get better. There's a reason
31:13
Speaker 7: that the last two years that Atlanta Hawks have had
31:15
Speaker 7: the most improved player I think I think that may
31:17
Speaker 7: be the first time ever like an organization is at
31:20
Speaker 7: back to back most improved players. Dyson Daniels and Alexander Walker.
31:23
Speaker 7: They are, they got better, they work, but the system
31:27
Speaker 7: allowed them to play with the freedom that like allowed
31:30
Speaker 7: them to take their games the next level. So to
31:32
Speaker 7: be able to do that in college I think will
31:34
Speaker 7: be really good for our players.
31:36
Speaker 3: And they could have had three. I mean, Jalen Johnson
31:38
Speaker 3: was probably in the run. Yeah, he's easily been up
31:41
Speaker 3: there defensively coming into college, obviously it's you were defensive
31:50
Speaker 3: mind player because I knew I wasn't gonna get on
31:53
Speaker 3: the court.
31:55
Speaker 4: So in college, what's your expectation on what came Butler
31:59
Speaker 4: fans expect from your Butler teams.
32:02
Speaker 7: Defensive well, we we got to be a defense team
32:05
Speaker 7: first we have any chance on win, Like, it's not
32:07
Speaker 7: going to be outscoring people, you know, we want to
32:10
Speaker 7: be a tough, tough team and make it really tough
32:12
Speaker 7: to get the ball into the paint.
32:14
Speaker 5: You know.
32:14
Speaker 7: Offensively, we're trying to get the ball into the paint
32:16
Speaker 7: as much as possible, get to the rim, you know,
32:18
Speaker 7: get get get some threes, kickout threes and stuff like that.
32:21
Speaker 5: So if we're doing that offensively, that's what we want.
32:23
Speaker 7: We got to make sure we stop that defensively, keep
32:25
Speaker 7: teams out of the paint, keep teams, you know, from
32:27
Speaker 7: being able to get in there, and then just making
32:29
Speaker 7: contesting and making every single shot difficult and then you
32:32
Speaker 7: got to rebound.
32:33
Speaker 5: Like it's it's really, at.
32:34
Speaker 7: The end of the day, that simple, you know from
32:36
Speaker 7: a philosophy from a philosophy standpoint, but the way that
32:40
Speaker 7: we do it, like with the presence that we want.
32:42
Speaker 7: We want to be like a tough, nasty, defensive team.
32:44
Speaker 7: That's just the way that I identify I see the game.
32:47
Speaker 7: And so you know, when we're recruiting, we're trying to
32:49
Speaker 7: find guys that fit that. It's hard. The other thing
32:51
Speaker 7: I learned the NBA. It's hard to take a guy
32:54
Speaker 7: that doesn't do that, doesn't play that way, and then
32:57
Speaker 7: try to get him to play that way. You know,
32:58
Speaker 7: It's difficult. So we're trying to identify those guys in
33:00
Speaker 7: recruiting so that when they get the canvas, we just
33:03
Speaker 7: say I always say, and I heard somebody say, and
33:05
Speaker 7: I use it now. Uh, Lion cubs become lions, and
33:09
Speaker 7: zebras don't become lions. So we're just trying to find
33:13
Speaker 7: lion cubs that we can just develop in the line,
33:16
Speaker 7: you know. And so I think, I think, big picture,
33:19
Speaker 7: that's how we want to play defense, for for sure.
33:22
Speaker 4: And I think it's it's misconscrewed a lot of times
33:25
Speaker 4: with these high school kids. When you guys, they see
33:27
Speaker 4: coaches on the sideline, they think you guys are looking
33:30
Speaker 4: for forty points scorn scoring, scoring, scoring, scoring out, And
33:35
Speaker 4: that's not really really realistic. I know, uh, Jeff tails
33:38
Speaker 4: our high school team a lot of times. When you're
33:40
Speaker 4: in high school and you go to college, he already
33:42
Speaker 4: got somebody there that's gonna get you eighteen to twenty.
33:45
Speaker 4: You're not getting on the out definitely in the NBA,
33:48
Speaker 4: and you're not sure for sure. So I just want kids,
33:52
Speaker 4: I know. We deal with a lot that playing hard
33:55
Speaker 4: as a skill.
33:55
Speaker 5: Now. It used to be that way a long time
33:58
Speaker 5: ago because kids just don't play hard. But playing hard
34:01
Speaker 5: gets you on the floor, keeps you on the floor.
34:04
Speaker 7: My life has been changed from playing hard like just
34:07
Speaker 7: playing and simple like I was not a great shooter,
34:11
Speaker 7: didn't score a lot. You know, I could pass. I
34:13
Speaker 7: still think I'm one of the best passers out there,
34:16
Speaker 7: you know. But but it was about playing hard. We
34:18
Speaker 7: got this list my freshman year when I got to Butler,
34:21
Speaker 7: and we just showed our team the other day and
34:23
Speaker 7: it said talent not required at the top right, and
34:26
Speaker 7: then it listed like maybe like twenty things, maybe more
34:29
Speaker 7: than that. It was like, you know, your communication, you're
34:32
Speaker 7: poised eating right, you know, connecting with your teammates, diving
34:37
Speaker 7: on the four for a loose ball, like like all
34:39
Speaker 7: these different things that you can control. Right, And so
34:43
Speaker 7: when I saw that, I was like, I got a chance.
34:45
Speaker 7: You know, I didn't say aged forty. I saw that,
34:49
Speaker 7: I'd be like, yeah, I don't have a chance. But
34:51
Speaker 7: coaches are looking for that, like coaches are looking for
34:54
Speaker 7: that talent not required list, because we can see, we know,
34:57
Speaker 7: like if a guy can score forty or if he's
34:59
Speaker 7: gonna have the chance to score forty, be a big
35:01
Speaker 7: time score, you know. And so we're really trying to
35:04
Speaker 7: find And this is what I try to tell people,
35:06
Speaker 7: even about the NBA.
35:08
Speaker 5: Everybody wants to be you know.
35:10
Speaker 7: They named the best player in the NBA, Kevin Durant,
35:13
Speaker 7: Steph Curry, you know Kyrie.
35:16
Speaker 5: These guys that are high level NBA.
35:18
Speaker 7: Players, NRIs Halliburton, good look and good luck. Like those
35:22
Speaker 7: dudes have been those dudes their whole life, whole line. Right,
35:25
Speaker 7: There's a lot of people in the NBA. Most people,
35:28
Speaker 7: let's call it ninety percent of NBA players are really
35:31
Speaker 7: good role players. For sure, they do one or two
35:34
Speaker 7: or three things that are elite.
35:36
Speaker 5: You know. Now, the best do it all, elite.
35:39
Speaker 7: Lebron does everything at an elite level, right, So, like,
35:42
Speaker 7: do do something that's going.
35:44
Speaker 5: To get you on the floor.
35:45
Speaker 7: That's what I realize as a player, Like, what's gonna
35:46
Speaker 7: get me on the floor is I'm going to play hard,
35:48
Speaker 7: harder than everybody else. So you know, I would say
35:51
Speaker 7: that any high school player, like, if you already are
35:55
Speaker 7: the guy that's getting thirty in a game, like more
35:57
Speaker 7: than likely, that's probably gonna be a role. If that's
35:59
Speaker 7: not your it's cool. There's a spot for you, right,
36:02
Speaker 7: there's a million spots for you. You know, you just
36:04
Speaker 7: got to make sure that the coaches see that you
36:06
Speaker 7: add value.
36:07
Speaker 5: To the team. Right. Oh man, I know.
36:09
Speaker 4: I remember Jeff you calling me in college telling me
36:14
Speaker 4: like theseus all my moves?
36:16
Speaker 5: Man, Oh yeah, they got They watched film. They watch.
36:21
Speaker 4: If the coach is calling across over the left and right,
36:25
Speaker 4: he's calling the left and right.
36:26
Speaker 5: And you told me, how did you have to get
36:28
Speaker 5: on the floor.
36:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta play. I had to play defense. I
36:31
Speaker 3: started watching film. My coach told me they're watching film
36:34
Speaker 3: on you. They know what you're gonna do. I was
36:36
Speaker 3: only playing like five minutes. I started watching film. But
36:38
Speaker 3: I had to start guarding. So I started picking up
36:41
Speaker 3: full court and I was a guy who averaged twenty
36:43
Speaker 3: five in high school. So I'm thinking, I'm gonna go
36:46
Speaker 3: there and do the same thing. And it wasn't that,
36:48
Speaker 3: it wasn't reality or I had to learn to do something.
36:51
Speaker 3: I had to figure out something else. And once I
36:53
Speaker 3: figured that out, I was able to show what I
36:55
Speaker 3: can actually do it really well because I was able
36:57
Speaker 3: to get on the floor by playing defense, and then
36:59
Speaker 3: I got a little longer lead. Yeah, now I can
37:01
Speaker 3: shoot a couple of threes, and you know, a couple
37:04
Speaker 3: of threes turned into a little more.
37:07
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
37:11
Speaker 7: Yeah, but people, but even all the NBA people that
37:14
Speaker 7: are evaluating you, they're watching, they're watching all that. If
37:18
Speaker 7: you were just out there just trying to score, like
37:21
Speaker 7: you're gonna like they have enough people that can score,
37:24
Speaker 7: especially for a rookie.
37:25
Speaker 3: You know, so you were. I was a scout before.
37:28
Speaker 3: So like our scouting meetings. I don't know if you
37:31
Speaker 3: ever been in a scouting meeting.
37:32
Speaker 5: I've been to maybe one or two.
37:34
Speaker 3: They're the worst meeting, but they're so boring. I've enjoyed coaching,
37:39
Speaker 3: so I've been to a scouting meeting. So I try
37:40
Speaker 3: to tell the kids at our school or kids that
37:42
Speaker 3: I know, like about the scouting, like what they look
37:45
Speaker 3: for and the things that they're I'm like, they're watching
37:47
Speaker 3: you on the bench, just looking at your face and
37:49
Speaker 3: see how you react to your teammates and things like that.
37:52
Speaker 3: And as a college coach now and you being a
37:54
Speaker 3: head coach, and like you said, you look for a
37:56
Speaker 3: guy who has good leadership skills and all those things.
37:59
Speaker 6: Do you sit and watch a kid when he comes
38:01
Speaker 6: out the game?
38:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, I watch. I watch everything.
38:03
Speaker 7: I just sent a video of a kid recruiting.
38:08
Speaker 5: I sent it to him and it was him after
38:11
Speaker 5: the whistle.
38:12
Speaker 7: So I'm watching watching film with him from some eybl
38:14
Speaker 7: stuff and after the whistle I see him going like
38:17
Speaker 7: this telling his team to come over. And I sent
38:19
Speaker 7: that to him. I was like, this is why we
38:21
Speaker 7: love you. I know, like you play hard, you do
38:24
Speaker 7: all that other stuff. But what's separating you from like
38:27
Speaker 7: the other guy over there is that you're bringing.
38:29
Speaker 5: Your team together at the time that you guys need
38:30
Speaker 5: to come together, you know.
38:32
Speaker 7: And so you know, we're as a coaching staff, we're
38:34
Speaker 7: talking about all those little things, and we're talking about
38:36
Speaker 7: like after uh, you know, the ref you know, blows
38:40
Speaker 7: a bad whistle or whatever, something happens with the coach,
38:42
Speaker 7: Like you're a guy that does this, We're literally watching
38:45
Speaker 7: what do your hands look like? Or you move on
38:47
Speaker 7: to the next thing. So those little details all that's
38:51
Speaker 7: being watched. Will a kid's.
38:52
Speaker 2: Family be able to interfere with his recruiting one hundred percent?
38:57
Speaker 2: A lot of them don't seem to realize.
38:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, one hundred percent, Like we're not just
39:02
Speaker 7: recruiting the kid, We're recruiting the family too, you know.
39:04
Speaker 7: And I know for us, not every player is gonna
39:07
Speaker 7: fit at Butler. That that's cool. We want guys that
39:10
Speaker 7: want to be at Butler. But really for any program anywhere,
39:14
Speaker 7: Like it's so important that you know, uh, that the
39:18
Speaker 7: coaches understand like what's happening in the whole situation, because
39:22
Speaker 7: we we all know, like a lot of us are
39:24
Speaker 7: most of us are product of our environment in some way, right,
39:27
Speaker 7: the nature and nurture.
39:28
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of people that have overcome
39:30
Speaker 5: some difficult environments.
39:32
Speaker 7: But you know, if I'm if I'm talking to a
39:34
Speaker 7: kid and the environment around him just is not does
39:37
Speaker 7: not fit us.
39:38
Speaker 5: We don't have time to.
39:39
Speaker 4: Waste, like we're we're moving right on, said yeah, that's
39:43
Speaker 4: that was very very needed, honestly, need to know. And
39:49
Speaker 4: we're dealing at the high school level where every parent
39:53
Speaker 4: it's been there before, and I tell them like, do
39:56
Speaker 4: y'all know who coaches are?
39:58
Speaker 5: Like the no doubt?
40:01
Speaker 4: Why don't you take that into account? So I'm glad
40:03
Speaker 4: that you said that. It's a big East Head coach.
40:08
Speaker 4: You know, we don't get Yeah, everybody want to get
40:12
Speaker 4: hard for Yeah, it's where we are with So I'm
40:15
Speaker 4: glad Butler got you. Butler's in good hands.
40:17
Speaker 5: Man, that thank you. Definitely in good hands. Thank you. Uh,
40:21
Speaker 5: as we transition, you've been watching did you watch the
40:23
Speaker 5: game in one of the finals?
40:24
Speaker 7: I watched the end of the game. You watched the
40:26
Speaker 7: Dame watched the last like five minutes of the game.
40:29
Speaker 7: Who you got winning the finals? Actually, man, that's a
40:31
Speaker 7: great question. I had not paid that much attention.
40:36
Speaker 5: Honestly. Uh, it's hard to It's hard to go against
40:40
Speaker 5: what New York is doing right now. Like I mean
40:44
Speaker 5: when with the Hawks, obviously game was it game six
40:48
Speaker 5: this year?
40:48
Speaker 3: Was there?
40:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talk about that.
40:51
Speaker 7: That was tough, but we went up to New York
40:53
Speaker 7: and beat them by thirty this year, you know, and
40:55
Speaker 7: so like we knew those guys inside it out.
40:58
Speaker 5: It didn't end that way.
41:00
Speaker 7: But we played San Antonio and we had no chance
41:05
Speaker 7: twice no chance. And so you know, coming to the series,
41:07
Speaker 7: I'm like, san Antonio is just they have everything they do.
41:11
Speaker 7: They got defense, they got the guards, they got windy.
41:14
Speaker 7: I mean, this guy's generational, you know, the greatest ever
41:18
Speaker 7: saying that's what Marcus called the greatest. All right, that's
41:23
Speaker 7: what I don't know if I should putting this whole
41:26
Speaker 7: thing out there, but you know, we have a lot
41:28
Speaker 7: of in the NBA.
41:28
Speaker 5: We have a lot of debates and stuff on the
41:30
Speaker 5: RUSS coaches. For sure.
41:32
Speaker 7: I don't know it's gonna give me in trouble. But
41:34
Speaker 7: I said, if if Winby stays healthy, thank you. I
41:38
Speaker 7: think he could be. I like where this is going.
41:41
Speaker 7: I'm not saying he will be. I think he could
41:43
Speaker 7: be the best player to ever touch the basketball.
41:45
Speaker 5: He has a chance.
41:46
Speaker 6: He got a chance. But Lebron James, it is crazy.
41:50
Speaker 9: We have never seen You've never seen this a dude
41:53
Speaker 9: walk up like the amount of times I've seen Winby
41:56
Speaker 9: dribble the ball up wave dude like guards coming said
41:59
Speaker 9: to pick a roll out of the way.
42:00
Speaker 5: They should have walked up three.
42:03
Speaker 6: It is insane, Like they don't look real sometimes.
42:05
Speaker 5: Come on, man, like this guy is generational.
42:09
Speaker 7: But you know, like so I'm watching, I'm like, you know,
42:11
Speaker 7: I think Santo, but New York just it's just been
42:14
Speaker 7: every game they just they're just not everybody.
42:16
Speaker 5: They just figure it out.
42:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, you just coached against Jaylen Bronson.
42:20
Speaker 3: I'm a huge Jalen Brunston fan, played for his dad
42:24
Speaker 3: in Minnesota and we always talk about JB. And know,
42:27
Speaker 3: you just went against him in a playoff series. I
42:29
Speaker 3: don't know if you might have film on anymore whatever.
42:31
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know, like, obviously he's a tough cover,
42:34
Speaker 3: but what was your philosophy against him? Like, what were
42:37
Speaker 3: y'all thinking in the pick and roll situations?
42:39
Speaker 5: Well, we had Dyson Daniels.
42:41
Speaker 7: The benefits of our team is that we had Dyson
42:43
Speaker 7: Daniels and we put him on the best player on
42:45
Speaker 7: every team. Uh, you know, I think him and Brunton
42:48
Speaker 7: ended up having a little thing where, you know, sometimes
42:50
Speaker 7: Dyson got brunting, sometimes Brunton got dicing. But you know,
42:55
Speaker 7: the big game plan was trying to keep Dicon on
42:57
Speaker 7: brunting as much as possible, because that's just we We
43:00
Speaker 7: just don't want to. You know, everybody's game playing against Dyson.
43:03
Speaker 7: It's just trying to get Dicon off of them. The
43:05
Speaker 7: best player, you know, so, but it comes down to
43:08
Speaker 7: it at times, you got to put two guys on him.
43:09
Speaker 7: You gotta trap them. You gotta make it tough, like
43:11
Speaker 7: you gotta if he's going to an iso, like, you
43:13
Speaker 7: just got to go get them because you know that
43:16
Speaker 7: shot he made.
43:17
Speaker 5: And the fourth this is unguardable. Yeah, crazy, what do
43:21
Speaker 5: you think?
43:22
Speaker 7: And you know he's six feet tall, like he's six
43:24
Speaker 7: to one, and he's doing that like he's he's a
43:27
Speaker 7: tough cover.
43:28
Speaker 5: Take his hand after that?
43:29
Speaker 6: Did y'all forcing right? What was it?
43:32
Speaker 7: No, I'm trying to remember. No, I don't think we
43:34
Speaker 7: forced him them anyway. Yeah, yeah, I mean they were
43:38
Speaker 7: playing again Dyson. You let Dyson do diceon. You know,
43:42
Speaker 7: it's hard to be like, hey Dyson, like like Dyson,
43:45
Speaker 7: you just do do you make it tough.
43:48
Speaker 5: But you know, if anybody else was guarding that wasn't Dicon.
43:51
Speaker 7: You know, kill and the kill is a great defender
43:52
Speaker 7: as well as the Hill is kind of exception, but
43:54
Speaker 7: anybody else besides those two.
43:55
Speaker 3: Was like we probably just gotta double. I want to
43:58
Speaker 3: ask you questions, Like you said that about dogs on
44:00
Speaker 3: the defensive man, you were a really really good defender,
44:02
Speaker 3: especially the on ball defender. You have it like swir
44:06
Speaker 3: Thompson is my favorite defender, and you just talked about
44:09
Speaker 3: Dyson Daniels.
44:10
Speaker 6: I want to know, like what's like dice being around Dyson?
44:14
Speaker 6: What's his mold? Like, like how does he get into that?
44:17
Speaker 3: Like that mode would be one of those defenders because
44:20
Speaker 3: usually naturally, I'm not a defender, and I can't imagine
44:22
Speaker 3: getting in the mold where I'm like, yeah, I'm about
44:24
Speaker 3: to just go out here and guard the best player
44:26
Speaker 3: and be excited about it. Like being around him, do
44:29
Speaker 3: you know, like what kind of molde he got into?
44:30
Speaker 7: Well, Dyson, Dyson's one of the quietest guys out there,
44:34
Speaker 7: doesn't say much, but he is a killer. Like he
44:37
Speaker 7: is just wired differently, you know, so I don't even
44:40
Speaker 7: think he has to put himself like he's just wired
44:42
Speaker 7: to do that, you know. And he's got he's six seven,
44:46
Speaker 7: six eight whatever he is, but can move his feet
44:48
Speaker 7: like he can he can six eight, he can guard Brunson.
44:51
Speaker 7: So he's got the size but also the ability to
44:53
Speaker 7: move his feet and then he's the best getting his
44:55
Speaker 7: hand on the ball that I think I've ever seen,
44:57
Speaker 7: Like dudes feel so comfortable when to get by him,
44:59
Speaker 7: and of a sudden he's shooting a lay up on
45:01
Speaker 7: the other end.
45:01
Speaker 6: Right, what do you have three steals the year before
45:03
Speaker 6: or something like that?
45:04
Speaker 7: It was I think it was like it was it
45:06
Speaker 7: was close, but it was like the most steals per
45:08
Speaker 7: game or the most total stills in.
45:10
Speaker 5: Like forty years. Yeah, that's I'm crazy.
45:13
Speaker 3: Do you want all like you talked about Gordon Hayward
45:15
Speaker 3: being skilled and can do past dribble shoot at that
45:18
Speaker 3: size like your four men, your five men? Are you
45:20
Speaker 3: looking for a love threat skilled players or yeah?
45:24
Speaker 7: I think with the way we want to play offensively, definitely,
45:27
Speaker 7: like with the four men to have skill, we want
45:29
Speaker 7: shooting as much shooting as possible, sure, but we want
45:32
Speaker 7: shooting without you know, uh, we don't want the guy
45:36
Speaker 7: to be like a bad defender, you know, and so
45:39
Speaker 7: you still got to be able to defend first, but
45:41
Speaker 7: we want we want guys that can make shots and
45:42
Speaker 7: we can ultimately get a you know, a guy that
45:45
Speaker 7: can make a center that can make shots and you know,
45:47
Speaker 7: block shots essentially will take that. Now, you can't always
45:50
Speaker 7: get that, you know, So then we have to look at.
45:54
Speaker 5: All, right, the impact that they have on the game.
45:56
Speaker 7: If it's a guy that's so elite, you know, rem roling,
45:59
Speaker 7: we're gonna pay a lot picking a roll, rim rolling
46:01
Speaker 7: and protecting the rim. Then you know, if he can't shoot,
46:04
Speaker 7: then he can still impact the game, you know. But
46:07
Speaker 7: ideally we would take a guy that can that can
46:09
Speaker 7: stand out there and make some shots, because it pulls
46:11
Speaker 7: the big away from the rim. Yeah, you know, and
46:13
Speaker 7: so if we can do that, that's what we're looking for.
46:15
Speaker 7: But we're gonna do whatever we can to just make
46:17
Speaker 7: the make the make the team fit.
46:19
Speaker 2: When you when you start in your team, what's the
46:21
Speaker 2: first thing you want to recruit, like a point guard
46:23
Speaker 2: or a big What's what you think you need to
46:25
Speaker 2: start with.
46:27
Speaker 5: Man, that's a good question.
46:29
Speaker 7: It's really hard to play the game in college basketball
46:31
Speaker 7: out of point guard without multiple point guards, you know,
46:34
Speaker 7: just with the pressure, you know, the actual pressure on
46:37
Speaker 7: the ball, but also the pressure in the building, you know,
46:41
Speaker 7: and just like the level that it rises, like every
46:43
Speaker 7: possession matters, you know, to not have somebody that can
46:46
Speaker 7: like have poison.
46:47
Speaker 5: Cell to your team, it's hard to operate, you know.
46:50
Speaker 7: So I think I think it probably starts with the
46:52
Speaker 7: point guard, you know, but you also got to have
46:56
Speaker 7: somebody that you can give the ball to and they can.
46:58
Speaker 5: Just go get you on, get you. You know.
47:01
Speaker 7: I've never met a great coach that hasn't had that,
47:04
Speaker 7: you know, like all good coaches have really good players
47:07
Speaker 7: for sure.
47:08
Speaker 4: When you recruit a point guard, obviously are you are
47:11
Speaker 4: a point guard? What are you looking for? Just what's
47:14
Speaker 4: the ultimate point guard for you?
47:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, I told our staff, don't recruit a point guard
47:19
Speaker 7: like me, Like he is not good enough.
47:24
Speaker 5: He is not good enough.
47:25
Speaker 7: So but I do think it starts defensive, like we
47:27
Speaker 7: want somebody that can heal the ball, like if we're
47:29
Speaker 7: gonna be a defensive team.
47:30
Speaker 5: It's kind of what I go back to.
47:31
Speaker 7: It's hard to like get a point guard who's not
47:33
Speaker 7: a defender and then try to make them one, Like
47:35
Speaker 7: we need a guy who's gonna come, you know, be
47:36
Speaker 7: a defender.
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Speaker 5: First. It always starts there for us.
47:39
Speaker 7: But then we always look at their decision making, you know,
47:42
Speaker 7: and so you know, when I'm out, you know, watching
47:44
Speaker 7: on film or if I'm out, you know, watching AAU
47:48
Speaker 7: or high school games, whatever, I'm watching every decision that
47:51
Speaker 7: the guy makes, all right, he comes off of pick
47:52
Speaker 7: and roll, you know, is he a guy pulls in,
47:55
Speaker 7: is he able to just make that simple pass right there?
47:57
Speaker 7: Or does he over dribble trying to find somebody to
48:00
Speaker 7: hit if he drives like you see. You know, one
48:02
Speaker 7: thing I noticed, you know, I haven't been watching high
48:05
Speaker 7: school basketball a lot, but in my first you know,
48:07
Speaker 7: evaluation period a couple of weeks ago, the amount of
48:11
Speaker 7: guys that hit the ground. Yeah, Like, one thing I'm
48:14
Speaker 7: watching now is like guys that don't fall down. Because
48:18
Speaker 7: guys that don't fall down, guys that don't fall down.
48:23
Speaker 5: That means they're under control, you know what I mean.
48:25
Speaker 5: Guys that are just going in there.
48:26
Speaker 7: I saw so many guys going to the paint try
48:28
Speaker 7: to jump in the air and make something happen. I
48:29
Speaker 7: don't want you to jump in the air and make
48:31
Speaker 7: something happen and somebody if you got to do that,
48:33
Speaker 7: that means the teammates wide on the corner passing to him.
48:36
Speaker 7: You know, so I'm watching all those decisions, and so
48:38
Speaker 7: somebody that's tough defensively that can make the decision.
48:42
Speaker 5: And then we want point guards that can shoot threes
48:44
Speaker 5: off the dribble.
48:45
Speaker 7: If you can shoot threes off the dribble, that means
48:46
Speaker 7: when we play pick and roll, they have to go
48:48
Speaker 7: over you know. Now, if I'm out there, they're going
48:51
Speaker 7: under every it's hard to make something happen. So we
48:53
Speaker 7: want guys that can shoot off the dribble because that
48:55
Speaker 7: opens up everything for everybody.
48:57
Speaker 5: Else for sure. For sure.
49:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I said, it's it's crazy to see that
49:05
Speaker 4: you're at Butler. We're talking about here, all this stuff
49:09
Speaker 4: right now, and it's just happier for you to be here.
49:13
Speaker 5: Man, appreciate it. It's blessing. Man, this is ah. I
49:17
Speaker 5: love Butler.
49:18
Speaker 7: Like I said, Butler changed my life, and so to
49:20
Speaker 7: be able to give back to what was given to me.
49:23
Speaker 5: It's something I'm excited to do.
49:24
Speaker 6: I'm excited for the new run for Butler man.
49:27
Speaker 3: Like like I said, I scouted Butler for a while.
49:30
Speaker 3: When I was scouting, I had that was my range.
49:33
Speaker 3: So I had to go to Butler a lot of
49:34
Speaker 3: the Big East games. So to see Butler have some
49:36
Speaker 3: fresh blood in there and some excitement. Not to say
49:39
Speaker 3: the guys before that didn't do a good job, but
49:41
Speaker 3: I just know you come from that NBA background and
49:44
Speaker 3: that gives a lot of kids excited.
49:46
Speaker 6: Like I think that was cool for me in high school.
49:48
Speaker 3: We had a lot of guys who wanted to come
49:49
Speaker 3: to the high school and play because of that NBA background,
49:52
Speaker 3: they can get that love. So for you to be
49:54
Speaker 3: able to coach some of these great players, like you
49:55
Speaker 3: just talked about the Trey Young, Jalen Johnson, and Dyson
49:58
Speaker 3: Daniels to be Kimball Walker and the names goes on
50:01
Speaker 3: and you can come there and tell them yeah, and
50:03
Speaker 3: even for like a recruiting picture, Hey Kimball, I got
50:06
Speaker 3: a point guard, right, yeah, exactly.
50:07
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
50:08
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean even being in the city like I
50:10
Speaker 7: work with Tyres you know here when I was with
50:13
Speaker 7: the Pacers, and so to be able to like have
50:15
Speaker 7: those experience, you know, when I was in Charlotte, you know,
50:17
Speaker 7: Kimba and then it was Lamello. We drive to Lamelos
50:20
Speaker 7: his rookie year. So you know, I listen, if you
50:23
Speaker 7: if you're a point guard and you want to improve,
50:26
Speaker 7: like you need to come play a bubble. Yeah, that
50:28
Speaker 7: that just is what it is. Like you're gonna be
50:30
Speaker 7: put in a great position.
50:31
Speaker 5: You know.
50:32
Speaker 7: You talk to Kimba, you talk to LaMelo, you talk
50:34
Speaker 7: to Trey, you talk to Tyree.
50:35
Speaker 5: Talk to me.
50:36
Speaker 6: That's all.
50:37
Speaker 5: You know what I mean as well, So you know
50:40
Speaker 5: I think. But it's it's also the same for the
50:42
Speaker 5: other players.
50:42
Speaker 7: You know, we want there's a level of development that
50:46
Speaker 7: takes place in the NBA on a day to day
50:48
Speaker 7: basis that just doesn't happen anywhere else, you know, and
50:51
Speaker 7: so to be able to be with a coach that
50:54
Speaker 7: that has developed NBA players, you know, like you're you're
50:57
Speaker 7: gonna come in a situation and have NBA level development.
51:00
Speaker 7: You know, maybe you end up playing in Europe, you know,
51:03
Speaker 7: maybe don't end up playing the NBA, but you're still
51:05
Speaker 7: gonna be able to see your progress that you make.
51:07
Speaker 7: So that's that's that's that's part of our pitch for sure.
51:11
Speaker 3: I watched you work out young Get twelve at night
51:14
Speaker 3: I was there Oklahoma.
51:15
Speaker 5: That was the lady that was a late night.
51:17
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, he puts it in a work
51:19
Speaker 3: because there's no way I'm eating a pizza Zrigga Gator.
51:23
Speaker 5: Right. He was there.
51:24
Speaker 3: He's down there putting the work with Trey Young at
51:27
Speaker 3: twelve in the morning.
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Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, the dedication is real.
51:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a relationship too, though, you know what I mean.
51:31
Speaker 7: Like again, like you, it's hard to survive as a
51:35
Speaker 7: coach in the NBA if you're not a real dude.
51:37
Speaker 7: You know, like if anybody was fake to you as
51:39
Speaker 7: a player, you'd be like yeah, yeah, you know. So
51:43
Speaker 7: like to be able to have those relationships, like you
51:45
Speaker 7: got to put the time in, you put the work
51:46
Speaker 7: in with the players.
51:47
Speaker 5: Like that's what we're doing that Butler, same.
51:49
Speaker 3: Thing, man, shout out to you, bro. We appreciate you.
51:51
Speaker 3: I appreciate man. Butler, I got a good one. You
51:56
Speaker 3: got a good one you. We'll take some bike players too.
51:58
Speaker 5: Now. Thatt's like, just keep it real.
52:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know my pictures.
52:05
Speaker 4: It's definitely yeah, man. Like I said, we all appreciate
52:09
Speaker 4: you for coming in. Man, our first college coach on
52:12
Speaker 4: five to twenty films. It's never gonna forget it. We
52:15
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