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Naturally, This Is Where We Start Talking About Women · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Brian. I'm here with Allison and this is
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  Speaker 1: maintaining frame naturally. This is where we start talking about women.
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  Speaker 1: Where we are going to be looking at an article
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  Speaker 1: from the Atlantic that is discussing that, yes, it's true
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  Speaker 1: that men are struggling, but have we considered women have
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  Speaker 1: it worse. So we're at the stage now where they
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  Speaker 1: are not ignoring men's problems. They're just saying, yeah, sure
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  Speaker 1: that's bad, but women though, But.
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  Speaker 2: Women, men, men, homelessness, depression, drug.
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  Speaker 1: Ads, they get, air conditioning is really high, and there's
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  Speaker 1: problems with cat calling.
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  Speaker 2: They have pressures, you know, like we're they can't find
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  Speaker 2: a seat on the bus, all right, well they are
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  Speaker 2: not even taking the bus, they can't. They can't find
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  Speaker 2: a place to park their Lamborghini. Like you know, it's real.
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  Speaker 2: These are real issues, real issues. Oh man. Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: out there. All right, let's uh, you want to just start.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just yeah, let's look at this article from the Atlantic.
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  Speaker 1: All right. The title is young men Aren't the only
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  Speaker 1: one struggling. I put a link to this in the
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  Speaker 1: description archived because you have to pay to read this tripe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, have the archive link. So women, what was.
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  Speaker 2: That I said? Do not pay for this?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, but women might be having an even harder time.
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  Speaker 1: By faith Hill, probably not the same faith Hill as
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  Speaker 1: the nineties. I think she was a country singer or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay on us, Oh my god, it's one of these.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a narrative, a narrative. On a sunny Monday
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  Speaker 1: last November, I filed into a single large room in Washington,
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  Speaker 1: d C. There I saw a crowd of older white
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  Speaker 1: men wearing crisp suits and shaking hands. A few women
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  Speaker 1: were sprinkled among them. This was the symposium on young
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  Speaker 1: American men, where politicians, researchers, nonprofit leaders, higher education administrators,
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  Speaker 1: and journalists had gathered to discuss what they agreed was
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  Speaker 1: a troubled and downtrodden population. The question was what to
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  Speaker 1: do about it? All right, So she was in a
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  Speaker 1: place that was all men. That was the first mistake.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, the plight of young men has for some
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  Speaker 1: years now been a cause of public concern. Recently, the
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  Speaker 1: din of alarm bell seems louder than ever. Men are
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  Speaker 1: attending and graduating from college at rates lower than in
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  Speaker 1: the past and lower than women. Large shares of working
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  Speaker 1: age men, especially young ones, are unemployed. Jarring numbers are
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  Speaker 1: dying deaths of despair, a term coined by the economists
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  Speaker 1: and Case and Angus Deeton to describe mortality due to suicide, overdose,
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  Speaker 1: or alcoholic liver disease.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so why don't we catalog here just
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  Speaker 2: for the sake of you know, just just for the
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  Speaker 2: sake of completion. Okay, how many things are happening to men?
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  Speaker 2: I'm hearing deaths of despair?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: They are not graduating from college, and it's going down,
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  Speaker 2: which is probably a good thing because college is useless.
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  Speaker 2: Jarring numbers are deaths of despair, Okay, so deliver disease, suicide, overdose, suicide,
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  Speaker 2: deaths of despair. Okay, So we're dealing with large rates
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  Speaker 2: of unemployment, homelessness, no services for when men are in need,
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  Speaker 2: no real psychical like psychological services, well really whatever men
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  Speaker 2: would need to support themselves and in those circumstances, and
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  Speaker 2: also deaths of despair and suicide. That's that's quite a
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  Speaker 2: dire list, wouldn't you say, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: That's you know, dire, and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's exhaustive enough either, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: there are men who simply like they just sort of
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  Speaker 1: like stop trying, and so they don't and they're not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily you know, taking their own life or destroying themselves
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  Speaker 1: actively by drinking or doing drugs. But maybe they're destroying
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  Speaker 1: themselves slowly by like you know, they don't go, they
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  Speaker 1: don't leave the house anymore. They do the bare minimum
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  Speaker 1: at their job, if they even have one. They you know,
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  Speaker 1: they maybe they just start wandering the earth, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like they just they do other things, right, but that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't even get included in this. You know, men who
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  Speaker 1: just sort of like mentally check out. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: men who make a conscious choice to live off the grid.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like the guys who are just like everything
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  Speaker 1: is pointless, I'm just going to allow myself to waste
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  Speaker 1: away basically.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So what I'm pointing out
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  Speaker 2: is that this list is really quite.
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  Speaker 1: It's dire.
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  Speaker 2: It's dire. Yeah, it's it's really dire. This is a
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  Speaker 2: dire list that she's making about things that affect men.
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  Speaker 2: And now she's subsequent to making this dire list, she's
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  Speaker 2: going to be making the argument that we should focus
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  Speaker 2: on women. Okay, that women that men don't have it worse. Right,
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  Speaker 2: even though this is a very dire list, one wonders
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  Speaker 2: how much worse it could be could get other than
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  Speaker 2: maybe active conscription, right, or you know, having something like
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  Speaker 2: during the Great Depression where men were gang pressed into
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  Speaker 2: doing labor for the state, you know that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's pretty dire list. And now we're going
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  Speaker 2: to go into well I don't know how long she's
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  Speaker 2: going to linger in this list, but I know that
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  Speaker 2: we are eventually going to go into her thesis, which
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  Speaker 2: is that women have it worse because of course. So
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  Speaker 2: let's let's let's see how she does that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I seriously, we need to start having numbers for these
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  Speaker 2: kinds of gymnastics.
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  Speaker 3: YEA, let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, guys, we're going to be scoring her. I've
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  Speaker 2: just decided this. Right now, we're going to score her
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  Speaker 2: on her mental gymnastics, just just holding on her starting position.
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  Speaker 2: This list, this dire list of things affecting men that
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  Speaker 2: men are dealing with right now, A list so dire
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  Speaker 2: you sometimes wonder what could it be worse? Probably not
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  Speaker 2: unless there was active conscription. So just just keep this
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  Speaker 2: in mind, because this is where she's starting. And now
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  Speaker 2: we're going to go through the gymnastics routine, and you
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  Speaker 2: know where she's going to land, right, you know it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a women have it worse. Why aren't
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  Speaker 2: we paying attention to women? So let's see, let's see
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  Speaker 2: how she manages this, because this could be this could
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  Speaker 2: be exceptionally what's the word, yeah, exceptional.
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  Speaker 1: In response to all of this dire stuff that men
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  Speaker 1: are dealing with, a mini industry of experts has sought
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  Speaker 1: to explain what's going on. Richard V. Reeves, a social
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  Speaker 1: scientist and author. Of Boys and Men, created the think
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  Speaker 1: tank the American Institute for Boys and Men, the New
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  Speaker 1: York University marketing for Scott Galloway wrote the book Notes
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  Speaker 1: on Being a Man, and on podcasts speaks regularly about
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  Speaker 1: modern manhood. Along with an abundance of other commentators. They've
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  Speaker 1: lamented what men have lost their sense of purpose and
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  Speaker 1: identity with the decline of manufacturing and other male dominated industries,
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  Speaker 1: the rise of toxic masculinity critiques, and the difficulty of
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  Speaker 1: being a breadwinner when everything costs so much. They argue,
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  Speaker 1: young men no longer know how to behave or what
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  Speaker 1: to reach for. All right, can I just really quick
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  Speaker 1: come in here. I know, Scott Galloway he is not
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  Speaker 1: a men's advocate that like, he is a male feminist
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  Speaker 1: wearing the mask of a men's advocate that is telling
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  Speaker 1: men to get back on the plantation. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just letting you know.
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  Speaker 1: And he's I've seen him, because you know, he is
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  Speaker 1: like the safe kind of men's advocate. He's like the
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  Speaker 1: kind that's feminist basically, you know, like the kind that
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  Speaker 1: Nick Redding accuses us of being.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he is.
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  Speaker 1: And he gets but because of that, because he has
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  Speaker 1: that sort of like feminist friendly, you know, men's issues
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  Speaker 1: advocacy mask. He gets to go on all the big podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: I saw him on Triggerometry, I saw him on all
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  Speaker 1: the all the big ones, all the big centrist podcasts
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  Speaker 1: that are totally doing it right, the enlightened ones. And
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  Speaker 1: I can't stand this guy. I'm just letting you, I
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  Speaker 1: can't stand this guy because he is not helping men
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  Speaker 1: at all. He is not addressing the truth. And it
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  Speaker 1: always comes back to how can I help men so
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  Speaker 1: that they are better able to support women? Because that's
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  Speaker 1: all it is. It's not about men for their own sake.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even about masculinity. So I know that about
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  Speaker 1: Scott Galloway for sure. I just don't know who Richard
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  Speaker 1: v Reeve is, but the name is familiar. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna look you this up really quick and.
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  Speaker 2: I will I will give you my thoughts on this,
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  Speaker 2: all right, go ahead. So, yes, these are the these
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  Speaker 2: are the people who talk about men's issues, but they
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do anything about them, or rather, they
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  Speaker 2: don't want to change anything. They want to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe as long as they don't have to change anything, right,
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  Speaker 2: as long as nothing has to change. So the answer
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  Speaker 2: is they don't care about men's issues at all. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: because if you are going to prioritize feminism, hell, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to prioritize any ism over helping men, then
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  Speaker 2: or you are going to say that you help men
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  Speaker 2: by helping this other thing that is not men first,
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  Speaker 2: then you aren't interested in helping men. What you're interested
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  Speaker 2: in doing is advancing the other thing. Okay, mm hmm,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 1: All right anyway, so yeah, Like so basically this this
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  Speaker 1: annoys me because this person brings up Scott Galloway and
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  Speaker 1: Richard V. Reeves, who also makes similar kinds of like
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  Speaker 1: books and of makes appearances as though they are.
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  Speaker 3: Like the the the unacceptable oppetite opposition.
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  Speaker 1: They're not necessarily unacceptable, but they're like like, let's say
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  Speaker 1: they're in an opposition that they find a necessary evil.
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  Speaker 3: So like disposition is like, well, it's a little distasteful.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're trying to help men, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a big fan, but I guess we'll talk about what
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  Speaker 1: they've said and what they what they use these guys for.
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  Speaker 3: They're like they're like controlled opposition.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, like they're like the oh, this is the Scott
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  Speaker 1: Galloway is the male side of the conversation, even though
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  Speaker 1: he's literally just like, get back on the plantation, guys.
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  Speaker 1: You know, stop complaining. Nobody's going to help you.
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  Speaker 2: Then men have a role picking cotton. That's par male.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right, anyway, uh okay, many by many measures, they're right.
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  Speaker 1: Young men as a population, see by many measures is
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  Speaker 1: basically saying, well, I got to give them some credit,
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  Speaker 1: but you know it's still a man with the.
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  Speaker 2: They that's I mentioned for years now they conceive the
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  Speaker 2: entirety of the point, and now they're like, well, let
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  Speaker 2: me lay out my sophistry for why we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to care.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, young men.
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  Speaker 3: As a population are struggling more than they used to.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes that point gets twisted into a different argument
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  Speaker 1: that young men are struggling more than young women. Women
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  Speaker 1: tend to be present only as a comparison. They're the
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  Speaker 1: ones who are more likely to attend college or to
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  Speaker 1: lean on close friends, less likely to depend on drugs
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  Speaker 1: or alcohol, or drop out of high school. They're symbols
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  Speaker 1: of success used to make a point. The problem is
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  Speaker 1: that in a number of ways, young women are actually
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  Speaker 1: doing worse than men. So we didn't waste that much
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  Speaker 1: time getting right to it, didn't we.
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  Speaker 2: No, we just teleported to the I don't know, We're
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  Speaker 2: just like, we're not even we're not even bothering anymore. Guys.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to score this. I mean, on
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  Speaker 2: a metaphysical level, it's instantaneous. And she didn't even bother.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't even bother any kind of acrobatics. So that's
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  Speaker 2: where we're are, guys, probably because there are none now,
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  Speaker 2: there are no acrobatics to go from this dire list
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  Speaker 2: to women have it worse anymore, so they just have
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  Speaker 2: to teleport. They're just like, oh well, you just just
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  Speaker 2: just do the work yourselves to put in the intervening steps. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I do read the chat, or we read the chat.
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  Speaker 1: And we will do Okay. So yeah, so we we
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  Speaker 1: got to understand that women have it worse. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this has been obscured. It has that
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  Speaker 1: women themselves have been obscured in this conversation says a
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  Speaker 1: lot about who gets it's prioritized in American culture and
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  Speaker 1: how misguided our understanding of human flourishing is in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. What So, women have been obscured in this conversation,
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  Speaker 1: according to this author, and it says a lot about
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  Speaker 1: who gets prioritized in American culture and how misguided our
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  Speaker 1: understanding of human flourishing is in the first place. Wow, okay,
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  Speaker 1: first consider some facts. Oh, here we go, but.
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  Speaker 2: What actually, I'm I'm I want to go back to this,
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  Speaker 2: Like human flourishing requires not dying lady. Isn't that like
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  Speaker 2: the basic step to human flourishing? Like she's not even
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  Speaker 2: bothering It's just like, yeah, all these things happen. Man,
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  Speaker 2: men are dying, But have you considered that women aren't flourishing?
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  Speaker 2: And also, why are we paying attention to men dying
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  Speaker 2: when women aren't flourishing? Don't you realize that that's that
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  Speaker 2: means that women are never paid attention to because they
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  Speaker 2: aren't being paid attention to in this instance when women
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  Speaker 2: are dying. God, Lord, not even didn't even bought you know,
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  Speaker 2: the complete absence of gymnastics. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 2: to score that. Okay, go ahead, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So anyway, yeah, enough about the men. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about women now. First consider some facts. Women have
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  Speaker 1: long been more likely than men to report experiencing depression
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  Speaker 1: and anxiety A key word, more likely to report experiencing.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they have it. It means that they're
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  Speaker 1: sad and they call it depression sometimes and anxiety. That gap,
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  Speaker 1: though it could be attributed partly to differences in how
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  Speaker 1: likely men and women are to admit their sims and studies,
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  Speaker 1: has remained persistent and pronounced no, no, no. It could
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  Speaker 1: also depend on whether or not what they think they're
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  Speaker 1: experiencing is actually being experienced. It could also depend on
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  Speaker 1: whether or not what they're experiencing is being diagnosed as
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  Speaker 1: depression or anxiety, right, Like, how do we determine that?
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  Speaker 1: Just because women feel sad doesn't mean that they're like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, absolutely on death's door suicidal. So it just
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  Speaker 1: means they're sad, Like I get sad, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: cry about it. I just move on whatever. Anyway, And
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  Speaker 1: more recently, those rates have been climbing for women in
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  Speaker 1: the United States and elsewhere. Yeah, well that's because you're
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  Speaker 1: on SSRIs. In one twenty twenty four study, researchers found
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  Speaker 1: that across thirty four countries and several different measures of
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  Speaker 1: well being, including fear and anxiety, suicidality, and feelings of overwhelm,
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  Speaker 1: mental health was worse for women than for men, and
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  Speaker 1: although more men than women by suicide, women are significantly
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  Speaker 1: more likely to attempt it. Ah, yes, that old chestnut.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, do you want to say anything about that.
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  Speaker 2: If you include attempts and actually succeeding, then men do
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  Speaker 2: it more.
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  Speaker 3: And also men and men are at that too.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is that most most completed suicides involve more
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  Speaker 2: attempts prior. So when they say that men don't attempt
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  Speaker 2: as much, what they mean is nobody catches them at
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  Speaker 2: that point. Right, So every male suicide probably involved I
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  Speaker 2: think an average of seven attempts or seven like rehearsing,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't get caught at that point. So if
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  Speaker 2: you actually include that, then men probably attempt suicide order
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  Speaker 2: of magnitude more often than women. It's just that nobody notices.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a complete nonsense statistic.
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  Speaker 1: You can't really determine it anyways, because like you said,
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  Speaker 1: like it's how many times do they attempt to succeed
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  Speaker 1: when a woman attempts it? How do we know it's
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  Speaker 1: not just a cry for help, which it often is
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  Speaker 1: not actually a suicide?
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly? So yeah, so this is this is like,
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  Speaker 2: what what she's saying is, Oh, yes, men are dying,
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  Speaker 2: but women are being dying more often in the pipeway
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  Speaker 2: to dying. Therefore women have it worse. And also women
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  Speaker 2: report more symptom mental health symptoms. Therefore women have it
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  Speaker 2: worse even though the mental health industry is arranged for
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  Speaker 2: women and and and processes emotions in a very female
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  Speaker 2: centric modality. So it's uh, and that and that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: evidence like the fact that there are so many more
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  Speaker 2: men dying deaths of despair isn't evidence that maybe the
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  Speaker 2: mental health industry isn't serving them. So not only are
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  Speaker 2: they dying deaths of despair, they have an industry that
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to prevent it and isn't actually engaging when
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  Speaker 2: the person dealing with it is a man. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the evidence that she's presenting does not indicate that women
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  Speaker 2: have it worse. It could very well indicate that women
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  Speaker 2: are more served by the industry or the services that
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  Speaker 2: prevent these kinds of deaths of despair, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: they show up more prior to it happening, and men
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  Speaker 2: show up more after it has happened. But she's gonna
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  Speaker 2: go with this really means that women have it worse.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it might be that women are really miserable. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: that could be too, but that I mean the same
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  Speaker 2: as what's happening to men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it may be that they are, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's some evidence to show women are
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: more unhappy, but it's not because of men.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: It's because of feminism.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is the other thing,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: too is and I don't know how they came up
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to these numbers. So when you don't really have access
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to like reliable data, which a lot of the data
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: is not reliable, then you have to just use logic instead.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And so I think of it like this.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: If a single woman attempts suicide like ten times, never
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: does it right, then that counts as ten suicide attempts
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: on one person. But if one man commits suicide one time,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: which you can only do it one time, that only
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: counts as one suicide, So you could if you weren't
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: looking at like the context that I just described, you
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: could look at ten attempts as worse than one success.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: So you know, like, and that's what it is like.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Ultimately, men don't attempt suicide, they just do it. Women
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: attempt which often means again I think in many cases,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: if not most, but there's no way of knowing because
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to study it in this context.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It's probably just a cry for.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Help because like it wouldn't serve the people who conduct
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the studies i e. Feminists, sociologists and academics and psychologist
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: types to actually consider that women's attempts are just crist
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: for help, so they wouldn't do a study on how
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: often that is. But we know that that is like
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I've known, well, I knew a girl who I dated
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: for a while. Unfortunately that had like this. She was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: crazy and committed, like didn't commit, but she would you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: claim she would cut herself and she would take pills,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: but like nothing would happen because she wouldn't ever like
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: follow through. It was just to get the attention and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: sympathy from her mother. And that was like so I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with her actually doing anything, just
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: threatening to do stuff so that her mother would come
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: running and they would count that as suicide attempts, even
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: though I knew that she wasn't really suicidal. You see
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So all right, anyway, the discrepancy comes
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in large part from men being likely to choose more
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: lethal means, such as firearms. At one point in the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: symposium on Young American Men, one of the few female panelists,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: oh my god, why even invite them, named a statistic
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: about suicidal thoughts among young men, then, as if in parentheses,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: added that the rate was even higher for women. The
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: comment hung in the air, but the speaker and the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: conference moved on. And this is why I'm saying, this
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: symposing for young American men is not actually interested in men,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: because they the woman still had to do a land acknowledgment.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: She had to say just so you guys know, women
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: do attempt it more like she had to do that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: instead of just saying this is a problem. Like it's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: almost like if something is brought up as a problem
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that men face, if you bring up women also face it,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: then the original statement that men have this problem, it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: just vanishes because all of a sudden, we're not talking
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: about that anymore. It's not important now, So no one's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: ever gonna do anything about it, not at these symposiums
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and these think tanks, because they if they took it
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: really seriously, they know that their jobs would be on
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the line. They would lose their jobs as like forever,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you know, forever women worsting social like scientists like that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: would be the end of it because then they wouldn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: have anything that they could like that. Well, where the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: money comes out when you just say women are having
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it worse here, Let's do a study women have it
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: worse here. Let's do a study that would dry up
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: because all of a sudden it would be like, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: either no longer a gender issue, or you'd have to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: address the male part. And the thing is with the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: mail side of this, you can't turn it into an
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: endless money printing machine because men are not the type
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to dwell on that. They just want it fixed, right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: They're just like, well, you know, open up whatever so
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I can like get a job and a house and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a wife.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: And that you can't talk about that forever.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Oh anyway, all right, so where was I I don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: know if you want to say anything about that, but
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: but the speaker of the conference moved on. So the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: idea that women are thriving, at least relative to men,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: seems to stem largely from their academic dominance. In a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four analysis, Peer Research Center found that forty
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: seven percent of women have a bachelor's degree compared to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: thirty seven percent of men. The gap is referenced in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: pretty much any conversation about the crisis of masculinity. But
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: all the striving for accomplishment may cost women a great deal.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: When researchers with the Harvard Graduate School of Education survey
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: roughly seven hundred adults ages eighteen to twenty five and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, they found that women were significantly more
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: likely to report dealing with achievement pressure. More than sixty
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: percent of female responded said the weight of that pressure
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: was negatively affecting them. Women also happened to hold about
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: two thirds of America's student loan debt.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you want to say anything about that?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I the fact that they yeah, because they hold two
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: thirds of the degrees. Now, all right, they're going to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: hold a lot of the debt as well, and what
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: is this because ambition, Because now now women can pursue
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: their ambitions. So the pressure to pursue their ambitions is
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the thing we need to focus on, not the fact
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that men are openly discriminated against in education and job opportunities,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and when men fail to live up to the pressure. Like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. Women have career pressure. Men have life pressure.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: So when men fail to live up to the expectations
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: of taking care of themselves, they end up homeless more
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: often than women do. So I didn't even know what
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the heck she's talking about. Oh, women have pressure to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: achieve in their careers. Oh, yes, that's that's having a career, right,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that's it's it's it's like saying, oh, I ate Thanksgiving
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: dinner and now my stomach is full. I have so many,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: so many things, so many things that I have to
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: deal with as a woman. It's the consequence of your choice, right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: This is like what men are dealing with, their consequences
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of choices made for them, like how they're supposed to be,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: how they're spoken about in the greater world, by the media,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: by academia, by NGOs, by the government. That's not their choice.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: This is the choice of a bunch of idealogues that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: explicitly said that they were going to frame men and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: women and the relationship between them and in a way
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that benefited those idealogues. Bottom line, they're a clout in
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: their money and the men had no no saying that, right,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So that's something that that's being put on them. They
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: have no say in the fact that they're discriminated against
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and when it comes to scholarships or they're marked down
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: because they're men by female teachers mostly, you know, they
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: don't have any say in that. They don't have any
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: say in being discriminated, discriminated against and for job opportunities.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Then they really don't have any say in their mental
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: health issues. I'm sorry they don't. People think that that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: mental health is something you can choose. I mean, it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: something that you can improve your habits to make better,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: but it's not something you choose. Nobody wakes up and says,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I could really use some depression in my life.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: How about a random panic attack. Yeah, that sounds like
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: a great thing. Nobody does that. So all of these
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: things are things that men don't choose, and she is
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: focusing on the consequences of a good thing that women
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: are allowed to choose, encouraged to choose, and artificially given
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: more advantages to choose. Like and again, I remember we
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: were situating in our mind that kind of those deaths
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of despair and all the dire stuff. She taught this
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: is what she thinks compares yep.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Men are dying of suicide. Women are pressured to achieve.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yah knowledge all of those women, you know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: What, Men are overdosing on drugs and getting liver disease
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: from alcohol. Women have to figure out which men is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: going to help pay for their student loans.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Women are hard.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You don't understand. You don't understand. This woman in her
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Avocado Joe's job she has she was told by her
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: boss she has to do. She has to do four
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: emails a day, not just three. It's very difficult. The pressure,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: good lord. And the funny thing is that even like
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to get at is, no matter how
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: much pressure women have supposedly in their careers and their
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: jobs to achieve, they don't have the same amount of
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: pressure as men do. Because men know that they're not
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: reproductively viable unless they have a good job. They know
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that they're far more likely to end up on the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: street if they don't have a job that pays the bills.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: That's a lot more pressure than what's on women. So
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: even what she's saying is false on its face. Logically, Okay,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: let's do some.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: More soh uh. Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: So women take a makeup two thirds of American student
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: loan debt, which is probably a sign that women shouldn't
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: be like going to college if they're not going to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: make use of the degree to pay off the debt.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: But whatever, I guess we're not going to have that conversation.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: We should just blame it on late stage capitalism instead.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: That effort and expense doesn't always pay off. A woman
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: with a bachelor's degree earns about the same on average
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: as a man with an associate's degree. Oh we're going
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to do this now, mo wage gap. A man with
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a bachelor's degree makes more on average than a woman
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: with the same education level, even within the same field
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of study. Make Jay, a clinical psychologist specializing in young
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: adulthood and the office of the twenty something Treatment, told
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: me a lot of her female clients work themselves ragged
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: in college, expecting that it will translate into career success.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But when they arrive in the workforce, it's a little
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: bit of an underwhelmed shock or unwelcome shock. Rather, these
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: women look around in their companies and see that men
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: occupy most of the leadership positions, or begin to realize
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that the high paying fields are the male dominated ones.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Well maybe because those guys earned it, Like, why is
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that a problem? I just I got my new job
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: at the law firm, and would you believe it? There
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: are men there, and some of them have higher positions
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: than me. Because this is another thing, is that she says,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you know, most of the leadership positions are occupied by
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the men. Okay, yeah, maybe what about the uh, I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, what about the interns, What about the janitors?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: What about the security guards? What about the.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Guy who runs the front desk and says load to people?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: What about the elevator operators? They still have elevator operators.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What about the guys at the bottom.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: How many of those guys are those men? Did you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: notice that those were also men? Isn't it weird that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: they're not going on like the Atlantic and complaining that
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: they're not like that, They that they're working as janitors
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: or whatever, garbage men, sewer workers, electricians.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: They're not even bothering, Like, they're not even bothering to.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Make all those guys don't exist.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Those causal relationship between oh men exist in the workplace,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and they obviously make more more than me because of discrimination.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: There's not even any attempt to get evidence of this,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and it's probably not true because the big push now
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: is to create this schism between the men who are
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: actually producing things and the corporate structure that exists on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: top of them. And the reason why they're so all
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the men are going into contractor positions. Is this something
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that Karen used to talk about a lot back before
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: her her daughters got so severely ill. You know, she
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: would talk about how her husband has no option to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: become an employee. He's he was a permanent contractor where
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: he was. And I'm like, looking at the mining industry,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: did you know that mining companies don't actually mine. They're
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of corporate HR and p R avocado
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: toast jobs sitting on a layer of men who are
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: actually doing the work, but they're contractors, so they're not
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: even employed by them, and that's how they're getting the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: old all, we've increased the amount of women in mining
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: by x amount. Yeah, by forcing men out into contractor positions,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: so they're off the employee roles. Right, this is the
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: situation men are in. They can't even get employment in
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of these places because of the DEI hiring quotas.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So you can make this ball face exertion, but if
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you have nothing to back it, then it's just you
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: fantasizing about discrimination. Is is there anything backing this assertion
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: that she's made but women going into the workplace and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: discovering their men in it? She is? She sure?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Brian, Yeah, I got a super chat from Senior Sticks.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you Senior Sticks. He gives us two dollars and says,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: it seems women are tortured by choice and freedom.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I think that.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of women if they thought
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that they could just like not have to think about
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: those things, they might be happier. And I'm you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that's I'm just thinking that more and more. You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: if women could just be like I just want to,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you know, have my little world where I'm doing my
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: thing whatever it is, and everything else the world itself
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: on the wider scale of the people on the perimeter
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: are just I just take trust that they're taking care
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of it. But I think that women are put into
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a state of anxiety and fear by education and propaganda
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, which is why they say they're
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: experiencing it. But then that same system that's propaganizing them,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: it's telling that it's men's fault. Like so when they
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: say they have like pressure to excel in college, it's like, yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: but who's doing that? It's not men. Men literally don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: care how much money you make. They don't like you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So where's that coming from?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Because they say that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That's the problem if men don't care about women's achievements,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: But then it is it is women are pressure to achieve.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: They should care, and the fact that they don't is worse. Right,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that's also you know here see what.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like if if men care, then they're putting
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: pressure on women to achieve, which is oppressure. But if
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: men don't care, then they just they're afraid of a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: strong woman. So which is it? Like, yeah, I know
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: what it is. Everything just lands on blaming.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Menka Manaka said in the rumble Chett he said wasn't
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: she just bitching about how much pressure women are experiencing
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and now she's completing the positions with too much pressure
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: are going to men. But you don't understand. She wants
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to be able to live in a world where she
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: has no pressure, but she gets all the high positions.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's really simple. She wants to have the high flying position.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: She just doesn't want to feel any pressure to earn it,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and she doesn't think men should have it. That's all.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Can't you see? Can you see how simple that is?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Oh? She says, these women look around in their companies
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and see that men occupy most of the leadership positions.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Not if you're middle management, that's mostly occupied by women.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And yes, men occupy higher positions, but those high.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Me to the company you work at, and then you
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: can make sure you have a bunch.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Of women there, just me too, the whole company. It's
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: all it's worked for in many many cases.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've actually seen entire industries.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Write an open letter. You don't have to like prove anything.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You can just say, you know, these people made me uncomfortable.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Here's the nice people need to go. They make they
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: need to go. These men are unsafe.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: They smell.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, give me the ick. These guys are all on
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the ick list all right. Anyway, She mentioned one woman
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: who decided to go to graduate school because she believed
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that it was the only place where women could be
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: on equal footing with men. He's hoping to kind of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: take shelter in that, Jay told me. But most people
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: can't stay in school forever, So why do you need
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to be on equal footing with men? Can't you just, like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, be a better version of yourself? Like
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: why are you concerned with what the other guy's doing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I just I'm I'm baffled by that last sentence. But
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: most people can't stay in school forever.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: It's like I could, though.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so juvenile, right, It's like, ladies, you wanted
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to go to the edge, right and be part of
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the load bearing and structure of society, Except now that
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you're sort of there, you don't want to bear any load.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: This is why patriarchy seems to be the only durable
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: social system. There, I said it, Wow, let's go.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Quit, Let's go now.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Is done.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not using the term patriarch, not in.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: The feminist definition. I know, I know, I know, it's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: like the real definition.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, men in positions of leadership. That's that is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: an observation, it's not. It is an observation that even
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: crosses species barriers. I hate most social mammals. The male
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: animals are in the position of leadership and taking most
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: of the risks when it comes to predators. Okay, so
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's sort of a across the species lines. Huh. Okay,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all right.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Young adulthood tends to be a difficult period, regardless of gender.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: It's a time of great uncertainty and high stakes when
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: people undergo a ton of change and are tasked with
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: building a meaningful life from the ground up. And modern
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: life complete with an affordable housing shortage, a harrowing job market,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and collapsing social trust doesn't make growing up any easier.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: But in many ways, the world today is especially hostile
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to women. Do you want to say anything before I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: move on.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: To the m word.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Oh well, every era is the most especially hostile to women.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: You see.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the worst period for women ever now
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: right now, today is the worst period. With social media
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and air conditioning and climate control buildings and cushy jobs
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and abundance. Despite all of the things people complained about,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: we're still doing really well, especially in the first world.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Even now is actually the worst.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Possible time to be a woman. And do you know why,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: because manosphere influencers and politicians alike are exploiting young men's
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: vulnerability stirring resentment against women. Right, because that didn't exist before.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Before manosphere influencers and politicians exploiting young men's vulnerability stirring
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: resentment against women, men were just fine in their ignorance,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: just being used by the system as tax burdens to
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: like just funnel money to women and their causes. When
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: they didn't know that that was happening to them, they
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: were not resentful. So we could go back to that
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: time of blissful ignorance when men didn't know that they
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: were being used.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, but here, okay, but she's just
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: she's okay. So you're saying, now, Matt, the anosphere influencers
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: are creating hostility. But feminism says that patriarchy is hostility
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: against women. So how are manosphere influencers creating something that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: patriarchy or sorry, feminism says always existed.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Hmmm, hmm, it's a good question.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, let's keep going, all right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Gen Z men are less likely than their grandfathers to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: say they support gender equality. Awesome. The constitutional right to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: abortion is gone, and funding cuts have further weakened access
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to reproductive healthcare i e. Abortion.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Uh make a low.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: A Colgate University sociology professor told me that many of
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: her female students are grieving the loss of bodily autonomy.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Their generation grew up watching The Handmaid's Tale, maybe reading it,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: she said, but now they're living it up.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: No, they are not. Also, that handmaids in the Handmaid's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Tale weren't even living it. There was conscription in that society,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: but nobody talked about it. And how come they never
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: did a story on the women who were just used
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to clean up toxic waste? How come they didn't get
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a story? Are you telling me the lifetime cleaning up
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: toxic waste is somehow better than a lifetime being the
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: breed the brood mayor of who's that guy in Twilight
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: or twenty fifty Shades of Gray Christian Gray? Right? Oh,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: good lord? I mean, honestly, the handmaid tail is about
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a good portion of romance novels being bred by it
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: is a powerful man. Yeah, there you go. Then it
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: just so happens that we have to focus on the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: women who get fed, have cushy lives, and give birth
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: right instead of the women who are picking up toxic
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: waste or the men who are dying to protect this
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: entire ridiculous system, which incidentally is a dumb system. It
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: is a poorly thought out story, and that's not And
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: of course, the final nail in the coffin is that
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the story in the Bible that supposedly gives it all
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: of its legitimacy was the story of a man being
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: sexually exploited by the system and his wives.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: So in every single level, the Handmaiden's Tale fails. It
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: fails really hard. And yet people, these women still think
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that it reflects reality because they are dumb.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, this fictional book totally agrees with my politics,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to use it. In a poll last year,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: forty percent of US female participants aged fifteen to forty
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: four said that they would move abroad permanently if given
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the chance, a number four times higher than in twenty
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: fourteen and more than double the share of male respondents
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: who said the same Uh yeah, but they're not actually
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: gonna do it. They're just like participating in me too, like, oh,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I would totally do that to fit in type shit.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So they're not gonna leave. Where are they going to go?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Participants were especially likely to dream of migration if they
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: had low confidence in institutions such as the national government,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the military, and honest elections, or if they disapproved of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: current political leadership. Okay, whatever, women are unhappy like news
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: at eleven. A lot of today's young women were told
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: as little girls they could do anything if they set
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: their mind to. Then they entered adulthood just in time
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to witness a backlash to the idea of their equal worth,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to see the promise.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Of power recede right when they reached for it again.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Men are killing themselves and getting like overdosing on drugs
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and getting liver disease. According to this person's claims the article.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: With Brian Brian, girls are going to college and realizing
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: they can't all be super model astronaut marine biologists who
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: rule the world as a sparkly princess.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: How foolish I was to dare speak, uh, you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like to minimize women suffering.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: What is this statement here? Oh but just as the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: cult So then okay, let let me read it again.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Let me squirrel upon this monstrosity. Okay, goddamn, many of
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the women doesn't know what? Okay? All right, all right?
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Where were we go back to that one sentence?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: As of today young women, and we're told those little
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: girls that they could do anything there to set their
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: mind to. Then they entered adulthood just in time to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: witness a backlash of the idea of it. You can't.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: People have different talents. Most women are average. Most women
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: are going to get a job, maybe as an office
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: manager for Kinko's. I don't know if Kinkos still exists,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: an office manager for I don't know, Like it's FedEx
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Kinkos now fed x Kinkos. Like that's that's the pinnacle
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of your life. Ladies, Maybe you'll give a floor manager
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: of a London drugs a drug store. That's it. What
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: did you expect? Like, oh, you going to work and
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: you we thought that we could do.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And you know, sounds like some other fictional stories that
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you watch growing up lied to you like yeah, I'm sorry,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: you're not a Disney princess. Yeah, and you're not in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the Handmad's Tale either.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: No, so and this is this is for kids. Like
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: now we are at the point where she's saying that
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: women growing up and realizing that they're not the protagonist
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: of a young adult novel is comparable to deaths of
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: despair that men are dealing with.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you imagine if a man was like, I
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: could have sworn I was gonna get the sort of
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: power internity he man and save Eterornia from skeletre And
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they're discip and then they.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Write articles about it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: This man is disappointed he didn't get to be the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: main character of his story.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Why.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I it's I have to laugh
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: because we're humoring this.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: This Oh well, we don't like we don't.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Know, I mean, like, but they're writing it like like
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the average person is like.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I think maybe less and less, but yes,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: this is this is what this is. Okay, so so
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: far she has women have to grow up and realize
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: they're not the protagonist to be young adult novel, right,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: and also the Handmaiden's Tail, which doesn't make any sense
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: because women still have more reproductive rights than men. Literally men.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: If men are raped, they're still obligated to child support.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: It's strict liability. Strict liability. For men. They don't have
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: any option, even if they're boys, they have no option
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to remove their the expected responsibilities to whatever child they conceive,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: even if they're raped, even if they're boys. Being raped
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, right, It doesn't matter if it's involuntary. It
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if she stole the condom out of the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: trash when you had sex with someone else. Entirely, you're
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: still on the hook. It's strict liability, right, That's that's
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the reality for men. And this woman has the audacity
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to say, oh, women are thinking of the handbies. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: well you still most places is that restrict abortion, still
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: allow it if you're raped. Right, So you're still doing
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a hell of a lot better than men. I don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: know who you're comparing it to. And men also get conscripted.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So so far, I'm going to keep track. So far,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: we have women have more college debt, women are having
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: restrictions on their access to abortion in some states and
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: other states. I think they've actually increased their access right
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and something something the Handmaiden's tail. And also women need
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: to learn when they grow up that they're not a
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: protagonist of a young.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: They do well.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they feel pressure to do well is very important.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: They feel pressure to achieve. Now that they have the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: ability to achieve, they feel pressure to do it. It's
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: not coming from men, mind you, because apparent men don't care.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And that's also a problem. Okay, let's keep going see
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: if we can find even one thing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got another super chat from senior Stix for
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: two dollars and he says, what if they are New
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Jersey Royalty or Ohio Royalty. I think that was for you, Alison.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, New Jersey Royalty or Ohio Royal. You mean, like
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: if they're like a Disney princess from New Jersey.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so that Disney princess, but they can
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: be other.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: What's Disney's putting out now?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan twenty one gives a dollar and says, if
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five was already in The Handmaid's Tale, I
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: can't wait for them to react to the reality that
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the average man will be dating a robot and the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: hot men have the freedoms to cycle between a lot
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of women. Well, the hot men. I guess you could say,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I like the top men are already doing that with women,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and women resent them for it. Women hate them for
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it because they're not choosing them, and if you point
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that out, they'll call you the pick me. But anyway,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: not back to the article, Many people, even critics of
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the man panics, seem to assume that men are the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: only ones struggling to know their role in the world. No,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: nobody's doing that. They're just acknowledging that they also have
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a problem. In fact, all the people you're criticizing, you
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: said yourself, they did a land acknowledgement for women. And
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I know that Scott Galloway does because he does it
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: every time he makes an appearance. He's like, well, women
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: have problems too, you know. Let me just lay it
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: all out so that nobody gets me fired. Okay, now
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something about men, Okay. In a November
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: New Yorker article, Jessica Winter argued that women don't have
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the luxury to sit around worrying about their genderous unique
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: purpose the way men longing for positive models of masculinity
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: supposedly do. What a gift is really to have no
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: choice in the matter.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, we can't let that stand. Okay, So women
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: don't have the luxury of just hanging around wondering about
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: their purpose. Yes, women haven't been subject to a society
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: wide narrative that they have nothing of worth and they
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: only bring negative things, and they are responsible for a
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: social contagion corruption just by their very presence, which is patriarchy,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: patriarchy original sin. So I mean, like literally, feminists said,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: we're gonna ruin men's entire career. Oh why are men
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: sitting around wondering what they're there for? I wonder because
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: you told them they were there for nothing, nothing good,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and they listen to you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: All right, yep, all right.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: So what a gift it is really to have no
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: choice in the matter, she wrote archly, to have to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: move out of your parents' house to show up for
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: your shift, to change the diaper, not because any of
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it is gender affirming, but because life is full of
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: tasks that need doing, and you are the person who
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: does them.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: At least then you know who you are.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: But just as the culture's understanding of manhood has shifted,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: so to have ideas about womanhood, which of course influences
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the way young women see themselves. So wait a minute,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: what a gift it is to have no choice to
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: have to move out of your parents' house. So a
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: woman not having to move out of a parent's house
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: is the burden where men are typically thrown out when
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: they're eighteen, and they're just like, okay, time you to go,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's a good thing.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Like what if they're not ready?
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: If a man does can't move out for whatever reason,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: we actually have a pejorative term for that, we call
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: it failure to launch. But when women don't, we don't
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: say anything like I remember there are women who were
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like in their thirties and I live with their parents
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: because they haven't met the right guy yet, and nobody
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: has an opinion on that. Nobody has a negative judgment
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: of that. So I don't know what she's taught talking about.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Like it literally, women have been liberated to the point
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: where they can just choose to do or not do whatever,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and no one has an opinion. And now you're saying
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: that liberation is a problem because now they're aimless. Okay,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll take it. Many of them are trying
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: to understand whether they're expected to be a CEO or
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: a mother of five, whether their value for their thoughts
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: on their looks or their looks, or their ability to
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: support a husband who expects somebody to be a CEO.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I know this is hyperbolic, but no, actually, what's expected
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: of men also, I think it's probably all those things
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: to be everything.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I saw a video with a woman's ick list.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: It was ridiculous, Like it was ridiculous, But anyway, that's
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: just the way young adult mind work. Jay told me.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: People this age tend to think about what others believe
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: they should do rather than what's.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Really right for them. The latter, after all, isn't totally
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: clear yet. One of Jay's therapy clients went to an
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: ivy league college, but now she's struggling to find a
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: job and feeling like the successful women around her aren't
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: the highly educated ones, but the tradwives and beauty influencers. Hmmm,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: are you having a funk about that about going to college? Then? Well,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you This is like more of this
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: like jealousy thing too. You noticed that there's a lot
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: of comparing going on, like, well, I have this and
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: these men don't they have that. I have this and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: these women have that sounds like a you problem. Like, yes, God,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Alison.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: No, I'm agreeing. Yes, this is a them problem. Yes, well,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: if your problems could be solved by stop covering other
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: people's stuff, maybe it is a you problem, not a
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: patrioterarchy problem. Yes, okay, all right?
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Why did I work so hard in school?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Jay? Said? Her client wonders if this is what people
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: want from me, Yeah, why did you? Maybe that would
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: have been okay, but you don't want to admit that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because that would mean you'd have to say maybe I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: was wrong or maybe I made poor life choice.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Someone in chat brings something up. A grapheist says, hang on,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: women have no pressure to do anything, but earlier stated
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: that pressure to perform disproportionately affects women. Which is it. Yes,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. Women have no pressure and all the
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: pressure in any possible configuration of anything, women have it worse. See,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: even if women had it perfectly wonderful in every conceivable way,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: they'd still have it worse because they didn't have it worse.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hm, there you go.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan twenty one gives a dollar and rumble rant
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: thank you, and he says, I'm sure the career insecurity
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: is for doctors and lawyers, But I have yet to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: hear your cousin became a CEO, and your book club
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: isn't just isn't paying the bills? Yes, your mother was
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: a hamster, all right. Many of the young women she
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: speaks with don't know what to prioritize, hitting the gas
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: pedal at work or becoming a mom. Often they feel
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: alone in these decisions. The men around them aren't pushed
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to think about how grueling it would be to balance
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: work and family life.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so oppressive.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Wait, how do they even know that? Why should they
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: be pushed? Why should the men around them be pushed
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to think about these things? And you're just assuming what
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: men are thinking about here alone in these decisions, the
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: men around them, okay, okay, just the men around them,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: their partner, Like this isn't even specified. Why would the
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: men around you be thinking about the problems that you
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: have with your life.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: To take care of women.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: It's just they're just like, oh my god, I am
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: here out in this restaurant and I see a I
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: see a table of men, and they are not thinking
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: about me and my problems.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guess like this is.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Just lunacy, the lunatics, the lunacy of this, okay for sure.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, uh, okay.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: What young women are going through then is an identity crisis.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So women are the ones really having an identity crisis
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: right now. It's also a mental health crisis, but it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: not typically recognized as any kind of crisis at all,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: perhaps because it's a quieter one.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: No, because it isn't fucking crisis. First of all, you
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: have no statistics. All you have is a bunch of feelies.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Oh I feel, I feel well, great, that's wonderful, you
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: can feel. The thing is that women feel like a
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: billion things every minute as far as I can tell,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: So why should we give a shit about any one
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: of them? No actual heart statistics on any of this,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: did you notice that? None? Of course, just anecdotes and
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I feel right? Okay, So we're supposed to pay more
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: attention to all of your vague disquiet than the actual
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: men who are going into actual grapes.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, this population overall may not be happy,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: but it's a high functioning one and therefore easier to ignore.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: As a medical sociologist, What what do you think?
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's a hypha Okay, women, young women are
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: going through it's an identity crisis. Well, I thought you
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: just said that women aren't having an identity crisis. Didn't
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: they just say in that one paragraph that women they
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: just leave the house because you know, they're just so
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: pragmatic and practical. They're not. They're not they're not brooding
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: on the moors trying to figure out who they are
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: like the men's you know. And now they're saying, oh,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: women are having an identity crisis.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: That, yeah, of course it's both of those things at
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the same time.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, women are luberated.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Therefore they're oppressed by their own freedom.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: There is no ontological inertia in this article. She forgets
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: what she wrote five sentences ago. It's like she's like, Oh,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: women don't have any pressure.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: We don't.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: We aren't doing the identity thing. We're just so pragmatic.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: We got to go out, we got paydose bills, you know,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: gone new to nine to five. And then and then
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: she's like, and the real thing, the real crisis that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: women are facing is a crisis of a night dentity.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: How does this get published?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they run it through AI and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like chat GBT and it's really great.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: This is fantastic. Go send it to print right away.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: This is not randomized enough. Put it through the AI.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Randomize her a bit more. Can we just put any
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: more contradictions in this? Can we make this a minefield
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: where human thought goes to die? Yes, all right, it's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: ready for print.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, exactly, all right. Low trained as a medical sociologist,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and she recalled saying men die quicker, but women are sicker.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: While they said it, so it must be true.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Women are more likely to endure many chronic illnesses and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to soldier on with their pain unnoticed. Or maybe their
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: turmoil is an all that quiet. Perhaps American society is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: simply more tolerant of women suffering because they always have.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Men.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: That's a despair. Men are dying in wars, men die
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: in the workplace, women are actually do we just tolerate
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: women suffering more guys?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: She defined this as a what was it, a single
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: large room, A crowd of old women. Okay, so a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: small A small cottage industry. Okay, I think that's what
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: she referred to it, A small cottage industry of people
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: are actually talking about young men and the problems that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: they face right, a small cottage industry, and also one
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: of the things they lamented about has lost their sense
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: of purpose and identity, which she then grabs onto as
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: women's crisis. But a small cottage. So we have a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: small some people, a very small number of people have
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: suddenly started to notice that there's problems in men, that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: there are that men are facing deaths of despair, that
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: men are dying, and they just started to notice. And
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: what does she say to that, Perhaps American society is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: simply more tolerant of women suffering because they always have
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: because a small amount of attention is going to issues
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: that hit men so much more than women.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: That attention that it's getting from this little conference thing
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: is actually not sufficient. It's actually not at all productive,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: and it's intended only to get men back on the plantation.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: It doesn't actually want to address anything, and still don't want.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: To doesn't want to recognize men as their own legitimate
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: category of being. But yeah, that's too much for this
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: person like small and she even labels it a small
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: cottage industry. A small cottage industry is now dealing with
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: the massive amount of excess death. I'll do to despair
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: that men deal with and the fact that even anybody
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: is talking about is evidence that American society simply doesn't
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: care about women. There you go, guys. This was the gymnastics.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: This one line was where she did her double backflip
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and handstand and everything else to arrive where she was going.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: The fact she's.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Basically making the case that women are the expendable sex.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, because we pay attention to men when they're in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: this dire state. That's much worse than anything she's brought
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: up about women.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's mind bulb breaking. Okay, m m okay.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Now she's going to back off a little bit. Hardship
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be a competition. Well being is not a zero
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: sum game for men and women.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Sarah C.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Naundorf, a social work professor at NYU, told me everyone
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: would benefit from letting go of strict traditionalist ideas about masculinity.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Oh just let go of your masculinity and will be okay,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: take for inserts.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: What they mean is what they mean is when they
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: say strict traditionalist ideas of masculinity is men need to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: let go of the idea that they add anything to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: society as men, that there's any value that men add
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: to society as men. Even though I hate to tell you,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: but there's an evolutionary reason why men remain fifty percent
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: of the population despite being technically the genetic a reproductive
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: bottleneck for the human race. It's because they do have
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: a value, and that value is inherent to how they
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: structure their behavior, what they focus on, what their interests
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: and goals are, and even how they police each other.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: All of that is incredibly it's load bearing. It is
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent load bearing for society. This is the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: payload because the reason why they say this, they say
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: things like everybody would benefit from men letting go of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: traditional masculinity, is because these women are mouthpieces for elites
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: who don't want to have to deal with men setting boundaries.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: This is how you loot a society in plain sight.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: You get men to look away, to police themselves over
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: their own masculinity, to regard their own boundary setting and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: their own natural policing and their own natural expectations like no,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: you really should be disciplined by the free market and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. They just start questioning all of that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: and start going in word and they stop, they stop
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: policing those boundaries. So we see gigantic webs of bureaucratic graft,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: commodities markets that destroy the commodities they market, and all
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: kinds of other crap. That's the result of men no
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: longer properly policing other men and women ethically. And this
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: is that this is the actual payload. Hey, guys, stop
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: feeling like stop feeling like your masculinity offers anything in
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: the world, because we don't want to deal with the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: fact that men are naturally more inclined to use altruistic
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: punishment to enforce boundaries, because we want to break those
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: boundaries and we want to steal everything. That's what these
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: women are mouthpieces for a kleptocracy, and men are the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: natural policers of rapine, of theft.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they're bulwark, They're the defense. That's why they
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: have to be attacked de fanged.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, all right.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Take for instance, the notion that men need to be sturdy,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: stoic protectors responsible for feeding a family, but assumed incapable
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: of care, work, play, or tenderness. Yeah, it's assumed incapable
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: only by like feminists.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, the only people in society who believe,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: uh that men are incapable of care play or tenderness
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: or women or feminists and the and they promote that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: idea because they say that men's relationships with women and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: their own with their wives and children are one of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: oppression and control and domination and brutality. Right, you are
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: responsible for those attitudes towards men. Feminists are responsible for
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: those attitudes towards men. That is not a traditional attitude
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: towards men. Okay, I'm glad to clear that up.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Yep, some figures in the men's movement have challenged that idea.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Reeves has encouraged young men to go into more traditionally
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: feminized fields such as teaching or nursing, to spend more
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: time with their children, to model a pro social version
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: of masculinity. See so, now you see what she's saying.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Some figures in the men's movement and then goes to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: this Reeves guy. See that what they're trying to do.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: And I talked about this with Reeves and Scott Galloway
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and these guys that did this whole conference. They realize
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: that we and when they say the manisphere, they include MRAs.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think the MRAs are like the biggest
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: obstacle for them. Because we're not easy to straw man
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the same way like the red pill guys are.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: So they lump us all together.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: And then what they do is they say, well, there
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: is a men's movement that's positive, and then they point
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: to these guys because they have the approved opinions, the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: approved men's rights opinions stamped by feminists, right, And so
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: they promote them as a men's movement while ignoring us
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: because what we were not. I mean, at least for me,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I speak for myself only. I am not going to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: compromise on what I think is necessary and what I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: think we need to address, and I'm not going to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: go along with these toxic masculinity narratives because that's at
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the heart of what the men's movement, this men's movement
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: that they're promoting has, That's why when they said, well,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Reeves is one of the good ones, because he wants
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: men to go into more traditionally feminine fields, right, And
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: of course they never asked the question. Again, men are
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: going to go wherever they want to go, and some
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: of them will go into teaching and nursing. But the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: problem is, first of all, those industries are hostile to men.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: So they're not going to find a job as easily,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: especially if you want to be a teacher and you
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: want to work with kids, because they've already pathologized masculinity
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: to be predatory on children and oppressive to them and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: dangerous to them. They've already done that, so that's not
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: going to work. And the other thing is they don't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: ask the question, you know, when men pursue career, one
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: of the things they're considering outside of like whether or
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: not it's something that they're that they're good at or
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: want to do, is it is it something that women
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: are going to like? And the unfortunately, women don't want
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: men that do feminine things. Women want men that do
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: masculine things. And they never ask women what they want
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: because they know that's what they're gonna say. So it's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: it's a trap. And that's why I don't like these guys,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: because they're not helping. They're gonna put men through a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit and they're not gonna benefit and they're
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: gonna end up in debt just like the women are,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, on the plus, I'll say for men,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: if they're not going to college, at least they're not
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: gonna owe six figures, but women will so anyway. All right,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: So some figures in the men's movement, like I said,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: but plenty and again pro social version of masculinity suggests
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: that masculinity is not by default pro social. You see
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: how they model, they're modeling a new kind of never
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: done before, pro social version of masculinity.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Masculinity is social. It's pro social, it was always masculinity.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: In fact, even femophobia, what they term femophobia, is pro social.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: It's policing men to not have the ethics of women,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: because when men have the ethics of women, they don't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: create women. They create rapists or really broken men.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, all right, so anyway, but
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: plenty of other pundits want men to find meaning in
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the same places that they used to in the military,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: church or fraternities, as breadwinners, which a growing share of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: men can't afford to be, as patriarchs asserting their supremacy
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: over women. So yeah, that's what they're saying. So if
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: they say as breadwinners, which a growing share of men
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: can't afford to be, why can't we have a conversation
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: as to why that is? Why is it everything has
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: become more expensive. Everyone complains about the cost of living
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and the cost of housing and everything, as though it's
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: something that just came out of nowhere and that there
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: isn't some like, you know, pattern of like I don't know,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: policies or the ways that like our education system has worked,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: with the ways the government has operated that was inherently
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: against the idea or at least opposed to the idea
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: of men forming families, and and then you get the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: result of that, and they're like, wow, it looks like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: capitalism failed, guys, after they jury rigged it to fail,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: after they threw a monkey wrench in it, you know.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: And now they're just saying, well, I guess you can't
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: afford anything, which is also kind of a lie, because
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people, a lot of men and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: women that do form families, they do fine. They just
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like they just live within their means, and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: it's okay. So I don't even buy that anyway, But
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: they're trying to make the case you can't. You can't
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: have like a condo on Fifth Avenue in New York
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: City with two kids. It's impossible. It's impossible.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: So I just I want to point out that feminism
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: makes men responsible for everything in women's lives. Saying that
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: men are responsible for everything in women's lives but that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: could be a good thing is not that far off
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: from what feminists say, except they say men are responsible
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: for everything in women's lives, even men's thoughts are responsible
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: for how women act. But that's a bad thing. And
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, if men are responsible in that way,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: your only hope is that men use it for good,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: because feminism says that women have no power to change this, unless,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: of course, they're constantly like a cat in a roomful
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: a long tailed cat and a room full of rocking chairs,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: they're constantly on guard. But ultimately, if you're going to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: say that women have no real power, which is what
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: feminism says about women in society, and that what men
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: control everything, then ultimately all you can do is make
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: them benevolent tyrants, or hope that they are. I'm like,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I think the whole thing is absurd myself, But it
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: follows like the men who are saying, wow, men should
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: take charge but be nice to the woman's well, that's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: basically follows from feminist bullshit, Like if feminist feminist premises
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and In fact, it's exactly what feminists are appealing to.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Despite saying that men are so horrible, they are doing
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: nothing to actually put themselves in a position where they
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: aren't hating to appeal to men, even if they do
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: so in a bitchy way. There's no exit strategy. I've
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: never spoken to any single feminist who gave me any
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: sense that she has an exit strategy. So leaving man's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: works is not going to happen because they're not even trying, right,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: They're not even trying. And when they do try, when
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: they do, some have some freaking feminist commune, it implodes
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: in exactly the same way every time. It implodes into
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: purity spirals and ostracization and cliques and like horrible, horrible behavior. Right,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you're not leaving this world, so your
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: only thing you're offering is a means to appeal to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: men to treat you better. Right, feminist, that's it, that's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: all you have on offer, So why not just feel
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: like and if you're saying that no way out, no
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: way to gain control of your over the world as
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: a woman, and men control everything, then your only option
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: is benevolence. Even according to the feminist logic. Okay, I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: now cannot speak anymore because the cat is decided that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I am to be rubbed upon.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, keep reading.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the Symposium on Young Men last fall, I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: heard a lot of talk about how to reconnect men
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: to traditional sources of discipline or community. Of thirty five speakers,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: five were representing fraternities or related organizations. They outnumbered the legislators.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: But even in the one segment on what policymakers can do,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: panelists seem hesitant to suggest any structural changes. I'm a
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: limited government guy. When equivocated. When my college colleague Mackay Coppins,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: the moderator asked what single policy the speakers would choose
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: to institute to help young men, another meander through a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: response about the important.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Feminism stop paying feminism, like get rid of it entirely.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, narrative ship.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the thing.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Though. I think she's saying, why why aren't these guys
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: just going full systemic change? Well, probably because, yeah, a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: lot of the people who are going to be at
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: this conference are more on the libertarian side, and also
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: they probably also recognize that if you put in some
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: kind of ministry of gender or something. It's just going
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: to end up becoming a feminist bloated mess because it's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: going to go to women. That's why I always say, like,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: the government can't offer anything to men. All they can
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: do is get out of the way. That's that's the
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: best you can hope for.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Right, Stop funding feminism period, We'll stop just stop funding it.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Stop allowing feminists to define how men and women relate
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: and who men and women are. When when was it
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: decided democratically to hand that important task over to a
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: bunch of herodance I don't recall being asked.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Moderating a different panel, Catherine John Lopez, a National
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  Speaker 1: Review editor at large, told a story about a mom
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  Speaker 1: taking her son to an mune park. The boy said
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want to go on one of the rides, but
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: when they got back to the car, he began to cry,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: saying his father would have made him get on. Lopez's
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: conclusion was that men and women are different, that a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: father figure could have offered the kind of tough love
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: push that a mother never could, and she wanted men
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: to know we need you. All right. Well that's nice,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: so okay, but apparently this person I don't know what
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: you think about that Catherine Lopez thing.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Did you read that moderoring a different panel?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Did?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Did you hear me when I read it?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: I did. What did I hear about that? Yes, men
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: do provide, They do provide something that women can't.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, a boy that didn't want to get on one
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: of the scary rides and the mom didn't take him.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: But then the boy was upset later that she didn't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: push him because he said that his dad would have right.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know why your father was there.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you guys have like a cold parenting situation.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: But let's see. And then she says at the end,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: she wanted men to know we need you.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Then this paragraph, her anecdote, was a microcosm of a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: stubbornly persistent mindset that men are meant to be tough,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that boys run off course when that quality is not
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: instilled in them, that women exist in an entirely separate lane.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: And they one hundred percent do Okay, let's finish what
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: they what she has to.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Say, Yeah, all I could think about walking back to
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: my hotel later in the dimming light was the bizarre
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: idea of forcing a frightened little boy into a roller coaster,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: and the sad fact that a movement meant to find
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: a way forward is replicating so many of the patterns
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: that have gotten us here in the first place.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: What patterns like? She had one commentary who's commentator who
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: said that no others.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: The boy wanted to go on her ride. He just
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: wanted to be pushed to go on the ride like
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: he wanted. Basically, the boy wanted to go on the ride,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: the mother just said okay, or didn't want to go.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm scared. I don't want to go on
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: the ride, and the mother said, okay, we won't go.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: And then later when they were going to the parking lot,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the boy was crying because he didn't go on the ride.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: So it was like he wanted to go, but he
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: was scared, and the mother just conceded and the but
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: the boy said, if Daddy was here, he would have
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: made me go. He'd have pushed me to go, and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: therefore I probably would have enjoyed myself.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Father wouldn't have let him sit in his fear, or
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Necessary he would have pushed him to go into like
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: an uncomfortable place because he thought it would be good
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: for him, and the boy on some level understood that.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: And she is saying that, oh, well, this is just
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: reinforcing toxic masculinity because you want to do you want
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: to grow up with a boy like the bubble boy?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Is that what she want? So?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway, well, again, like the real payload of all of
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: this is that men can't possibly exist as a legitimate
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: category that we should care about, and can't possibly have
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: their own values and ethics that are necessary for a
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: functioning society. Right, So if the boy wants something, he's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: going to have to face his fear to get it.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: That's the lesson the father is teaching him, and he
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: probably knows his kid. He knows that the kid is
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: going to be upset if he doesn't go on the ride.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: So he's going to be like, no, you're not going
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: to use your fear. You're not going to let your
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: fear make your decisions for you. That's a good lesson.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: You're not going to let it stop you from getting
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: what you want, right, don't do that. That's a really
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: good lesson. And she's right, it's a lesson that men
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: teach better than women. Do because I don't think women,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: as proven by this woman who wrote this article, don't
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: understand that lesson right. Don't let your feelings get in
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: the way of your goals. A good lord. If that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: woman heard me say that, I think her brain would
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: probably implode. And one hundred percent women do exist in
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: a separate lane. Okay. I've been on this project now
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: for a week, and this project has been creating a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: way of looking at how men and women write, and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: I talked about it yesterday. But basically, when men and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: women write, you are looking at a situation with complete freedom.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want. You have a blank page,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: nobody's stopping you. It's just you and the blank page
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: and whatever you want to put on it. So what
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: happens is that men and women write their cognitive processes.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: They put it on the page. How they think comes
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: out of how they write. Right, And when you look
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: over the entire corpus of human literature, there is strong
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: sex differences between how men and women think, how men
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: and women process their world, and what men and women
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: focus on. Like it's it is, it is really strong.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: There's only a few across like hundreds of books, there's
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: only a few authors that are unclassifiable and the and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: the classification system, and you'll, you'll, you'll, guys will probably
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: pick this up instantly. Men are operational. They look at
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: the world in terms of things to operate on, things
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: to build with, things to make something wealth, things to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: repair with. So they turn the world into tools to
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: do something with. It's called the operational modality. Women read
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: the world for social information. So they'll go into a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: room and they'll read who is allied with who, what
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: they feel about them, you know, where there's potential movement
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: to I don't know, implant a rumor or whatever. They
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: read the relational field and they create a relational map.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Men understand things in terms of building something. Women understand
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: things in terms of topology. Right, what's the relational topology here?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: And this is consistent. The only women who buck the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: trend are Emily Bronte and Anne Rand. And the only
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: men who buck the trend are Henry James and Sturgeon
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: I think this is his name. I'll have to get
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: you back on that. But for the most part, men
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: and women do stay in their lane. And men's lane
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: is focusing on material, on action, on doing, and women's
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: lane is focusing on reading, interpreting, and mapping. Very different. Okay,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing. Men can actually move more
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: into women's lane than women can move into men's lane.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Most women do not understand how men think. They don't
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: understand how men approach the world, and in that absence
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: of understanding, they've constructed a monster. But the other thing
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: is they don't understand how men think. They don't understand
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: how men do, which means they can't replicate and they
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: cannot replace men at all. In fact that I'm not
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: even sure if they can understand them to the point
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: of even being able to try. That's what's crazy about
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: all of this. And I even tested female authors like
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Tiptree who are supposed to be writing like a man,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: and in fact tip Tree is a feminist. Her men
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: that she wrote were cringingly bad. Like she wrote a
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: novella called The Women that Men Don't See, which would
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: more honestly be termed The Men the Men that Women
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Can't See because anyway, I won't get too deep into it,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: but just trust me on this. Women cannot access the
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: operational modality. They can't see things in terms of what
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: they do. They can only see things in terms of
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: what they mean relationally. Okay, so maybe this helps to
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: explain things. But when she says that women exist an
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: entirely separate lane, it is one hundred percent true. Women
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: do exist an entirely separate lane. Men exist. They don't
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: exist in an entirely separate lane. Men can actually understand
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: women better than women can understand men, at least according
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: to literature. All Right, so I don't know, it was
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: a bit of a squirrel hopefully.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: All right, No, I I get it, I get it. Yeah,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: they're definitely different. I got a super chat from ZARANX
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: for five and he says the boy saying dad would
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: push him signifies how much time he spends with his mother. Uh.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's and it's interesting.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was touched tom, but it's
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: interesting that the takeaway from that statement had nothing to
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: do with like, well, you know, what would the dad
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: have done differently?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Why was the boy? Did the mother get on the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: ride with him or not?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Like these are like questions because like the dad probably said,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I would have said I'll ride it with you, son,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: and they would have gone on the ride together, which
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the son wanted, and the mom probably didn't
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: want to do that, So like these are like these
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: are important questions to ask. Instead we're just gonna talk
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: about masculinity.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Tough, tough.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: We have to change that. We have to we have
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: to neuter men somehow.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: It's like actually trying to address the issue, you're ever going.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: To be able to Like this is these are fundamentally
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: different modalities.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Like it's.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: It's you would have to do something, and it's it's
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: like the and the real problem is reading malice into
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: something that's simply different. Like men are just different. They're
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: not malicious. You look at Tip Tree's writing and it's awful.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: It's like the men are sexually predatory and and she doesn't.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: But even though even though they're supposedly sexually predatory and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: everything about sexuality is just consumption and predation and meat, Like,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: even though they're like that, the men are still providing
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: and protecting for the women in the story, for the
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: woman in the story, and she never pauses to think, well,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: where is that coming from? Like this dude is like
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: wading out into mangrove swamps and getting himself injured to
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: protect the woman and tip Tree never says, hmm, I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: wonder why he's doing that. No, she just assumes it's
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: just a baseline. Oh, it needs to get done. He
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't really need to put himself in that much danger,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: or he doesn't need to care about her physical well being.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: This isn't an obligation on his part. He does it
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: for a reason, and that reason is in a continuum
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: with his sexual desire. And this is something that that
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: feminists like, they they just don't accept because they want
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: to turn men into these ugly, ugly things that they
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: just aren't, and it's it's unfortunate. But so I thought
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe you guys would find it amusing that Anne
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Rand was one of the few women who could actually
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: cross modalities and write and Emily Bronte Wuthering Heights, which
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: is the talk of the town now it's on everybody's lips.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, but yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: No, the feminists got hold of Wuthering Heights and they
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: turn possibly one of the few novels ever written by
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: a woman that actually had jen you an operative content,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: and they turned it into well, I don't even know
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: if she's a feminist. I bet she is, because she
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: works with.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: What you're saying.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: They know I can ever read them. I cannot read
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: Wuthering Heights for for reasons that I could explain, but
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: I would need to explain a lot of writing terminology.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: But the movie takes a story which is about examining
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: family dynamics to discover failure modes and turns it into
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: absolutely what it wasn't, which was a romance, because of
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: course they focus on the on the the possessive destructive
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: relationship between Heathcliff and Catherine, missing the point entirely. All right,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: now I'm squirreling, so I'll hand this back to you, Brian.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: I'm done with the articles.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Done. We're done.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, I have like you want to see that ich
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: List video?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Robert jrdan Zeppo says Ann RAN's characters were
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: placeholders for her ideas. I love her work, but her
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: characters are paper dolls. And I put anthem through instead
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: of uh, the other one. Atlas shrugged. I cannot read
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: at Lass Shrugg because you are one hundred percent right
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: about that. Go ahead.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I tried to watch the movie a while back, and
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: it was like unwatchable. It was. It was unwatchable because
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: it was there was no there was no real plot.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: It was people just regurgitating her ideas and then like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: her ideas were fighting against like mainstream ideas, and I'm
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: just like, this isn't a movie, this is a lecture.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. That's the problem of women writing in
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: an operative modality. They're they're writing is actually I shouldn't
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: say that, because Anthem. I when I read it in
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: high school, it was pretty good. I liked it. I
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: thought it was I thought it was something that I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: enjoyed reading. I'll put it that way. But when women
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: write in the operative mode, at least according to the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: few women to do it, it makes almost unreadable fiction.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that is. I mean, when men
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: write in an operative mode, it's like Hemingway and McCartney
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: and McCarthy and and and Jones and Lamour and it's
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: like it's very readable. But the two women who write
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: in an operative mode are unreadable. Okay, go ahead, Brian.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so we're gonna look at this.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at this. So let's do this. Okay,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: this is dating rules for twenty twenty six. Let me
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: see if the sound works yes, yes, it is. Okay,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: we'll just let this play. It's only a minute long. Okay,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: this is her ick list. This is where we are
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: The six dating rules. If you have kids, where you
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: want kids, your cut. If you tie your shoelaces with
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: two loops, your cut, your crypto bro cut.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: If you can't read.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: A boot, if you're sloppy.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: Drunk, cut, if you say espresso cut.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: If you live at your parents' house, still cut.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: If you don't floss cut. If you wear a sports.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: Jersey with another man's name on your back, you're done.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: If you haven't gone to therapy, done. If you watch
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: the news a lot, you're cut. If you can't regulate
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: your own emotions cut. If you can't lead.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Me in an airport. Okay, if you know what she
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: means by regulator on your own emotions, she means when
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: she abuses you, you don't swallow it.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, yeah, if you don't if when you
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: stand up for yourself basically, yeah, all right, she said,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: when you If you don't lead me, If you can't
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: lead me in an airport, if you don't.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Like pineapple and pizza, you're cut. If you don't work
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: out cut if you have a nicotine addiction cut.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: And she's cutting the same place on the freaking.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know that this is just a video, Alison,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: it's a performance.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: No, she's not.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: She probably didn't write anything down the This is just
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: a but she is making a list.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know, oh, goyet, and not the one you drink.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Cut.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: If you play video games, you're fucking cut. If you
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: can't build a fire and keep it going outside, cut,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: if you haven't solo traveled cut, if you breathe with
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: your mouth open, cut, if you can't build an ike addresser,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: you're cut.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: And if you can't back up a trailer, fuck off.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Good lord, I'm so fucking I actually have been like,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: I'm so fucking done with women. And you know, I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: don't think that a man could possibly match my level
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: of misogyny at this point, because you guys got this emotional.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Systems, misogyny pattern recognition.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, you got the it's her modal system that sort
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: of softens this. You're like, oh, I can change her,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: I can provide for her, I can make her, I
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: can make her change your stripes. I'm like, this is
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: a fucking bitch, Like I don't even want her on
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: my eyeballs for the time it took to watch that.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm just saying, it's like, I don't think
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: you guys can match me at this point because men,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: they have this thing in them that makes them biologically
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  Speaker 2: primed to tolerate women. I wish, I wish we could
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  Speaker 2: get rid of it, but it just it just is there.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: It's probably why al Bundy said that women you hate, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to understand women. Women understand
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: women and they hate each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I understand women too much now, guys, I want to
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  Speaker 2: understand less. Just to get through the day.
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  Speaker 3: Women need their own internet.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Can we just give them their own Internet and then
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: let them eat each other on that internet, like a
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: separate internet just for women. That's what I want. And
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: they can just go drive each other crazy over there,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: and they'll never blame be able to blame. I mean,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: they'll figure out a way to blame men.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, Acrius.
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  Speaker 2: Says, there's a list that's approaching the four hundred mark.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Went through it with Mike. I think that the icklist
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: may have been the watershed for me. It was like
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: the moment where I'm like, this is, yeah, did women,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: You're just you're fucking cooked. And after reading that, I'm like,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: I don't care anymore. I it's not my responsibility to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: save women from themselves. It's not my responsibility to save
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: them from the mistakes that they're making and the ship
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: that they're putting out in the world. Not my responsibility.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: And uh, I don't care anymore. I don't care about
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: appealing to women. I don't care about them agreeing with me.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I am now the I have reached
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: the final evolution of misogyny. Okay, I've gone a super
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: super something or the final the final form. I am
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: now the one wing angel of misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we that's it.
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  Speaker 3: We're done.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna see if there's anything further in
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: the chat.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: All Right.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I despise soap operas and reality TV. But maybe that's
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: just me. No, it's probably just an operational orientation. Okay,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: So this was the not this was the article Young
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: men Aren't st the only one story And this is
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: another thing that makes me despise. Well, I mean, let's
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: face it, most women are writing stuff like this if
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: they're writing anything. Right, men are going through all of
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: these dire things that are leading them to die, leading
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: to them to be in the grave dead right, they're
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: going through all of this. But we need to focus
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: on the fact that women may or may not have pressure,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: feel pressured, but also not feel pressured because there's so
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: much more awesomer than men who gets who are succumbed
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: to social pressure. So women are both not being pressured
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: because they're better than men, but also being pressured. And
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: also women have to learn when they grow up that
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: they're not all a young adult protagonist. Therefore, that is
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: even more important. The fact that we're not paying attention
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: to these things is evidence that American society just doesn't
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: care about women suffering, because there are is a small
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: number of people who are now noticing that men are dying.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: This is the fucking logic. Okay, I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: All right? Any more?
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  Speaker 2: Don't let my nihilism like stop you. I don't even
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: think it's nihilism. It's just like I at this point,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why women are so self destructive. There's
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: absolutely no reason not to care about men and to
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: try to redirect care towards women in the face of
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: the problems that men face. There's no reason for this,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: and yet still do it.
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