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The Late Debate | 21 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Base.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Kyle Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Fraye Leitch and Joe Hildebrand. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Should you be sacked for sending rude messages about one
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  Speaker 2: workmate to other workmates? Well, a public servant in Queensland
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  Speaker 2: compared his boss to Jabber the heart in a group chat,
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  Speaker 2: and now he is in big trouble.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's hard done.
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  Speaker 3: By, but we'll find out what the others.
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  Speaker 2: Well, find out what the others thing. In a moment,
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  Speaker 2: which police commissioner took a chopper to a meeting in
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  Speaker 2: Tasmania instead of just catching a commercial flight.
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  Speaker 3: That's in the papers.
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  Speaker 2: And later, well you won't be at one Sydney wedding
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  Speaker 2: venue where they banned dancing.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll tell you why a little later. But back to
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  Speaker 2: old mate and his Jabba the Hut business. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a public servant up in Queensland. He's working for the
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  Speaker 2: Transport Department now, but when he got himself into stripe,
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  Speaker 2: he was a private inspector at the Office of Industrial
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  Speaker 2: Relations in Queensland. Craig Ronald, servant is his name, and
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  Speaker 2: he was in a group.
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  Speaker 3: Work chat, a group chat sorry with some of.
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  Speaker 1: His work mates, and they were using this.
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  Speaker 2: Group chat to complain about some of their colleagues, including
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  Speaker 2: a female boss who I'm going to take a stab
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  Speaker 2: at the fact maybe somewhat overweight, because he was making
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  Speaker 2: comparisons in this group chat to this woman being like
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  Speaker 2: Jabba the Hut. Now, I don't know about you. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a great Star Wars person, but if you're not familiar.
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  Speaker 4: Jez A Bija Wonkichbacher.
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  Speaker 3: That is allegedly his boss.
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  Speaker 2: So he bugs a photo of Jabba the Hut in
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  Speaker 2: the group chat, and according to the Career Male Today,
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  Speaker 2: he captioned it just sitting back on a Friday afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: guzzling a vat of shady eyeing off the hapless beast
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  Speaker 2: she's about to swallow hole, thinking about the human detritus
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  Speaker 2: and carnage she's caused during the week.
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  Speaker 3: And thinking life is good at the top.
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  Speaker 2: And then his colleagues piled in and he gave laugh
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  Speaker 2: emojis back to other memes and encouragement that they were
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  Speaker 2: giving him.
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  Speaker 3: He then went on to say that.
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  Speaker 2: He wished a meteor would hit her and in another
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  Speaker 2: separate interaction in this group chat, according to the Career
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  Speaker 2: Mail on January thirteen this year, mister Servan also admitted
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  Speaker 2: asking his colleagues in a group chat if he can
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  Speaker 2: use a plank of wood with nails sticking out to
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  Speaker 2: slap the female executive director quote, are you allowed to
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  Speaker 2: use a piece of four B two with rusty nails
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  Speaker 2: projecting out the slapping end? Hate to use my hand
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  Speaker 2: and accidentally miss hit her ass and lose my arm?
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  Speaker 2: Mister Servant wrote his comment was in response to a
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  Speaker 2: message from a colleague showing a picture of the Grim
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  Speaker 2: Reaper overlaid with the words all those in favor of
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  Speaker 2: bitch slapping stupid people say yes, And mister Servant also wrote, hell, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm closest to. If I get everyone's proxy, I will
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  Speaker 2: flog her for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: In response to the grim Reaper meme.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yes, it probably is somewhat unprofessional, and yes it
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  Speaker 2: is certainly not flattering. It is not flattering towards his colleague,
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  Speaker 2: But is it the sort of thing that ought to
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  Speaker 2: get you in trouble? Because he is under the apprehension
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  Speaker 2: when he has sent these messages that it is in
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  Speaker 2: a private space. Yes, he's talking to people at work,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like he stood up in the office
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  Speaker 2: and shouted it across the office. He thought he was,
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  Speaker 2: in effect having a private conversation with his colleagues. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: someone has then ratted him out. They've tried the public
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  Speaker 2: services then gone to take discipline reaction against him, which
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  Speaker 2: he has tried to challenge in court and lost. But
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  Speaker 2: I suppose the question is, if you are in a
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  Speaker 2: group chat and you are denigrating your colleagues, is that
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  Speaker 2: a sackable offense or a punishable offense because you.
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  Speaker 1: Believe it's private.
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  Speaker 2: Where is the line between the private conversation where you
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  Speaker 2: can make jokes or denigrate other people, and where is
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  Speaker 2: the line that says, no, this is a workplace issue.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think this is going beyond just making jokes.
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  Speaker 5: He's talking about wanting to slap her with nails. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's hard to defend this guy, to be honest,
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  Speaker 5: he just sounds like he was having a workplace gossip.
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  Speaker 5: The irony is he's at a public sector department whose
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  Speaker 5: job it is to go into workplaces and make sure
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  Speaker 5: they're safe and healthy workplaces. Then this is how he's
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  Speaker 5: treating his own boss. I'm sorry, I have zero sympathy
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  Speaker 5: for this guy whatsoever. And if you put your work
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  Speaker 5: colleagues in a group chat, expect it to get leaked.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that is just logic one o one, someone's
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  Speaker 5: going to leak it. When you're talking to work colleagues.
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  Speaker 5: It's not private. It could always get out there.
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  Speaker 6: What if and this is an interesting one, So what
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  Speaker 6: if it's a group chat of friends and just some
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  Speaker 6: of them happen to work at the workplace.
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  Speaker 5: It's still a risk you're taking. I think if you're
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  Speaker 5: putting anything in a group chat these days screenshots exist,
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  Speaker 5: you're always taking a risk.
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  Speaker 4: So don't say anything in a group chat.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, is where we land unless you.
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  Speaker 5: Want to getting back to the person you're talking about. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: it's better to keep it out of the group chats.
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  Speaker 6: And what about the fact that Jabba the Heart is
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  Speaker 6: an extremely under respected and underloved character in Star Wars
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  Speaker 6: who has a very good heart, but he doesn't actually
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  Speaker 6: he eats people.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, like, why are we fat shaming jab
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  Speaker 4: of the Heart? Well that is the real question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they will logic complain him.
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  Speaker 2: But it's The issue I take with it is that
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  Speaker 2: we are heading towards a world now where everything will
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  Speaker 2: become so sanitized beyond belief.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, I.
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  Speaker 2: Accept that what he said is at the extreme end,
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  Speaker 2: but even so, we're going to get to a point
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  Speaker 2: where you cannot say anything for the fear that someone
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  Speaker 2: is going to capture it and rat you out for
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  Speaker 2: having said it. I will put my hand up and
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  Speaker 2: say that I have, at various points in my career
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  Speaker 2: see bitchy things about people.
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  Speaker 3: I've worked with.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've all done it at various points in
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  Speaker 2: our careers. But if the standard is now that in
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  Speaker 2: a private conversation, if you say those things, whether it
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  Speaker 2: be with other colleagues or otherwise, that that can cause
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  Speaker 2: you to be sacked or punished at work, I think
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  Speaker 2: we're potentially heading down a dangerous path.
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  Speaker 5: Well, just don't gossip and bully and dan and grade
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  Speaker 5: your boss to your college.
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  Speaker 2: But if you treat the people you work with while
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  Speaker 2: you're working with them with respect and you don't do
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  Speaker 2: anything against them, but you go home and say, God,
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  Speaker 2: I hate working with that person, is that a problem?
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  Speaker 5: Well not if you say it to your family, to
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  Speaker 5: people who are very private very different when you've got
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  Speaker 5: a group chat with all your colleagues and you're ganging
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  Speaker 5: up on your bus.
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  Speaker 6: I suppose it's and again that like, it's not very funny,
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  Speaker 6: and it's not. And some of the stuff he's actually like,
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  Speaker 6: I think this flogging wanting to flog something it is
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  Speaker 6: actually I'd be quite happy to say, all right, that's
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  Speaker 6: incitement to violence or whatever, blah blah blah blah, that
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  Speaker 6: crosses the line. But I do kind of think if
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  Speaker 6: you do have a really and I'm not saying this
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  Speaker 6: person is bad at all, but if you do have
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  Speaker 6: a really bad boss and who's making your life a misery,
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  Speaker 6: of course you are going to bitch about it with
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  Speaker 6: your colleagues. They're the only people who understand. And if
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  Speaker 6: you then say, well, anything you say privately, and again
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  Speaker 6: it says, you know, he was doing these derogatory things
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  Speaker 6: to her or whatever whatever, it wasn't actually doing it
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  Speaker 6: to her. If this hadn't leaked, correct, presumably no one
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  Speaker 6: would have Actually that's right, and you know, the boss
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  Speaker 6: presumably would been much happier because you wouldn't have known
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  Speaker 6: how toxic it was. But you know, like inevitably, I
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  Speaker 6: mean if you can't. If you're basically saying that work
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  Speaker 6: colleagues can't pitch and mon about their boss, what else?
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  Speaker 4: That's what else is there?
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  Speaker 6: If having all the bosses here at Sky and all
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  Speaker 6: my other workplaces, I think the.
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  Speaker 5: Best rule of thumb is just don't gossip about people.
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  Speaker 5: And if you put things in group chats, expect them
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  Speaker 5: to get leaves at some point. But let's move on now.
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  Speaker 5: Over in the UK, some good news. The Met Police
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  Speaker 5: have said they're going to stop investigating non crime hate
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  Speaker 5: incidences so that officers can actually focus on matters that
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  Speaker 5: meet the threshold for criminal investigation. What do you know,
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  Speaker 5: the police has decided maybe we should stick to investigating
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  Speaker 5: crimes instead of things that just offend people. As a result,
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  Speaker 5: and as part of basically realizing a lot of these
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  Speaker 5: allegations are baseless, they've dropped their charges against Graham Lenihan,
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  Speaker 5: who is the comedian, the founder of father Ted, the
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  Speaker 5: It Crowd, a great TV writer. He was arrested by
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  Speaker 5: five police at Heathrow Airport for social media posts about
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  Speaker 5: protecting women's spaces. So that is the level of insanity
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  Speaker 5: the UK's reached. Now. Finally, it seems some sort of
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  Speaker 5: common sense maybe prevailing and they're going to stick to
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  Speaker 5: investigating crimes. But seriously, I mean, one, the idea that
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  Speaker 5: police would be investigating things that aren't even crimes ridiculous
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  Speaker 5: in the first place, but secondly, they were recording around
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  Speaker 5: eleven thousand of these every year. Imagine the amount of
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  Speaker 5: police resources going into investigating things that aren't even crimes.
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  Speaker 4: Can you can you imagine investigating Queensland?
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  Speaker 2: Imagine how Craig Ronald Chuvan had begun if he was
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  Speaker 2: over in the United Kingdom, for Heaven's sake. And that
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  Speaker 2: was the thing that got me is that quote that
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  Speaker 2: they've done away with this so they can quote focus
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  Speaker 2: on matters that meet the threshold for criminal investigations. Look,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm old school, and apologies if so, but I
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  Speaker 2: thought the point of the police was to investigate and
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  Speaker 2: prevent crimes.
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  Speaker 3: And now you're telling me like that.
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  Speaker 2: The met Police are admitting that they have spent their
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  Speaker 2: time investigating and working on cases that they knew would
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  Speaker 2: not meet a criminal threshold.
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  Speaker 1: What is the purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Of having police doing that, particularly when we know what
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  Speaker 2: we saw numbers recently about you know, crimes going unsolved
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  Speaker 2: over in the UK. When it was coming out all
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  Speaker 2: this business about people being told you can't say the
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  Speaker 2: choplifters are bad. You know, they've got thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 2: and thousands of real crimes that they're investigating and haven't
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  Speaker 2: solved over there, and meanwhile they've been spending all this
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  Speaker 2: time looking at things that they knew were not actually crime.
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  Speaker 6: I am just going to read just the first half
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  Speaker 6: of the first sentence of the story reporting this, just
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  Speaker 6: to let it sink in, because it is just the
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  Speaker 6: most incredible form of words you'll probably ever hear in
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  Speaker 6: the English language, and I dare say a string of
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  Speaker 6: words that has never before nor ever will be put
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  Speaker 6: in the order that they have been put in. Just
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  Speaker 6: listen to this. The Metropolitan Police says it will no
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  Speaker 6: longer investigate non crime.
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  Speaker 4: I just left that seek in. It's careful here, So
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  Speaker 4: you know what we've been going all about the wrong wakeup.
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  Speaker 6: We've been investigating all this non crime and there was
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  Speaker 6: all this actual crime going on right under our noses.
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  Speaker 4: Poor old mister plot.
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  Speaker 2: It's just just what has been going on over there
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  Speaker 2: and particularly.
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  Speaker 3: In the UK.
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  Speaker 2: This is the bit I've not been able to answer,
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  Speaker 2: is why it is specifically, the UK has gone so
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  Speaker 2: bonkers on this because yes there have been levels of
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  Speaker 2: it in the US, and yes there have been levels
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  Speaker 2: of it in Australia and other Western nations, but the
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  Speaker 2: UK in particular has just had this absolute crisis of
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  Speaker 2: policing in the last decade or so where they have
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  Speaker 2: done everything except investigate actual crimes. We had the story
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  Speaker 2: last night about police somewhere in England putting out you know,
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  Speaker 2: things about how great margrants are, you know, sheets with
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  Speaker 2: facts and things on them. It's nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: what the police are meant to be doing. They've been
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  Speaker 2: investigating non crime for years, which they now admit is wrong.
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  Speaker 3: What is it with the UK in particular, I have
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  Speaker 3: no idea.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe it's a sign of how fractured their social fabric is.
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  Speaker 5: They feel they need to use the police to stop
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  Speaker 5: people from feeling offended, and that's what's so dangerous about
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  Speaker 5: this kind of legislation. Ultimately, it comes down to do
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  Speaker 5: you feel offended? That is what these non crime hate
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  Speaker 5: incidences are. Does this offend people? Well, a lot of
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: people get offended by things. The truth is often rather offensive.
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  Speaker 5: That should not determine where the police get to bang
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  Speaker 5: down your door and arrest you. And then what were
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  Speaker 5: they doing with these people? Anyway? If it's not a crime,
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  Speaker 5: then what where does this all end?
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  Speaker 3: Putting it on the naughty list and sending it to
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  Speaker 3: Father Christmas.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know what the police are doing over in
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  Speaker 6: the UK is celebrating falling on their knees and thanking
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  Speaker 6: the Lord. Because there is a record number of Christians
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  Speaker 6: in the UK today. Believe it or not, asylum seekers
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  Speaker 6: are being baptized in migrant hostel bathtubs. I say, because
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  Speaker 6: they've seen the light and found the Lord goodness. Lacidics
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  Speaker 6: say that perhaps they are doing this because they think
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  Speaker 6: it will increase their chances of finding of getting asylum,
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  Speaker 6: so they've undergone baptism in taxpayer funded accommodation. There are
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  Speaker 6: concerns that Muslim migrants are only going through the process
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  Speaker 6: to gain asylum. This is Care Links Ministries, a registered
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  Speaker 6: charity linked to the minority Christadelphian sex. So suddenly they're
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  Speaker 6: persecuted Christians in the modern community. So we can't go
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  Speaker 6: back there because it is not safe. How cynical can
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  Speaker 6: you get?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 6: Have a spiritual epiphany upon arriving in the UK, finding
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  Speaker 6: out the police have stopped investigating non crimes and thinking,
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  Speaker 6: oh my god, it's a miracle. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 6: get baptized as a Christian. And then you have the
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  Speaker 6: cynical conservative press saying you're just doing this to get
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  Speaker 6: a silent way.
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  Speaker 3: That would happen.
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  Speaker 2: Is that you know what part of me says, good
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  Speaker 2: on these legal migrants for doing it, Because if the
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  Speaker 2: UK is that bloody stupid that it will let you
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  Speaker 2: get away with it, then you may as well try
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  Speaker 2: it on. Like if you open up a whole that's
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  Speaker 2: so big you could drive a semi trailer through it,
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  Speaker 2: people are going to drive semi trailers through it.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think is going to have happen?
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  Speaker 2: There was a woman earlier this year from Nigeria and
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  Speaker 2: she'd been trying to apply for asylum.
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  Speaker 3: In the UK since twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: She'd applied eight times and was denied every time, until
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  Speaker 2: eventually she joined a terror group in Nigeria which was
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  Speaker 2: called if you bear with me for a second, the
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  Speaker 2: Indigenous People of Biafra, and then applied again and said, well,
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  Speaker 2: if I go back to Nigeria, I'll be hung, drawn
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  Speaker 2: and courted because I'm part of this terror group and
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  Speaker 2: they said, no worries, you can now stay in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: There was another guy, I'm sure you remember the case.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it he quite a few times, who
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  Speaker 2: was an Algerian fella, and they said he could stay
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  Speaker 2: in the UK because it would be against his human
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  Speaker 2: rights to deport him because his son didn't like the
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  Speaker 2: taste of foreign chicken nuggets. There was another guy I know.
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  Speaker 2: And the other guy a Pakistani rapist who'd been locked
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  Speaker 2: up in the UK. And when they went to deport him,
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  Speaker 2: he said no, but I've got kids in the UK.
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  Speaker 3: Won't be fair to them if you send me back
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  Speaker 3: to Pakistan.
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  Speaker 2: And they said, oh, good fella, that'd be bad for
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  Speaker 2: your kids, mister rapist, you better stay here. So why
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  Speaker 2: would you not, as an illegal migrant, go to the
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  Speaker 2: UK and say, yep, I'm now part of a Christian
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  Speaker 2: sect that would get me persecuted if I went back home.
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  Speaker 2: The president has been set yeah, and.
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  Speaker 5: This is the growing trend, and you should not if
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  Speaker 5: you have already arrived in the UK illegally, you should
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  Speaker 5: not then be able to convert religions and then claim
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  Speaker 5: that as the basis for your asylum. Sek application, because
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  Speaker 5: that means when you entered the UK illegally, you had
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  Speaker 5: absolutely no right to be there. It's only upon entering
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  Speaker 5: that you've changed it to take advantage of that.
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  Speaker 6: That was my question, because are they actually saying that
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  Speaker 6: they are now baptized so they can't go back, or
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  Speaker 6: are they pretending they were part of the church all
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  Speaker 6: along and they're just retro baptizing them.
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  Speaker 5: No, they're saying that now they're in the UK, now
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  Speaker 5: they've become Christian and so now they can't go back.
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  Speaker 5: And this happened a couple of years ago. Abdul Azeti,
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  Speaker 5: he was already in his home country, convicted of various offenses,
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  Speaker 5: applied for asylum in the UK twice and got rejected,
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  Speaker 5: then magically converted to Christianity, and then a couple of
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  Speaker 5: years later attacked two women with acid. So this is happening.
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  Speaker 5: It's happening. It's a growing trend, and it's extremely dangerous
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  Speaker 5: and people are getting hurt.
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  Speaker 4: From it, and we all worrying.
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  Speaker 6: Still, it's not the first time either, because in the
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  Speaker 6: year twelve ninety, King Edward I, the Hammer of the Scots,
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  Speaker 6: expelled all the Jews from England and said you can
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  Speaker 6: only stay if you convert to Christianity and get baptized.
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  Speaker 4: So there you go, first.
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  Speaker 6: In twelve ninety and now in twenty twenty five, and
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  Speaker 6: it's fair to say, according to Israeli soccer fads, conditions
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  Speaker 6: for Jews.
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  Speaker 4: Of the UK not that much better.
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  Speaker 3: So everything old is new again.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I always used to make the joke about
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it if I end up in jail for whatever reason,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I'm a woman. And then, of course you've said in
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: all the stories in the last few days about how
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: this is actually going on now, and it's basically the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: same thing. You say, Oh well, if there's a bit
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: of advantage I can take, why wouldn't I take it?
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: You know, open the door, people are going to walk
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: through it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Let's come back home for a moment. And speaking of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: opening the door and walking through it, there's this chap
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: who's been walking onto trains and trams and bus stops
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff around Sydney, causing a bit of
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a hullabaloo. He calls himself Joshua Cherub and you can
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: see him there on a train taping himself to the
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: railing apparently cause it art you know, you put it
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: up on TikTok or Instagram or something and it goes viral.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Apparently he gets hundreds of people come out to watch
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: him do this art, as he calls it. But of
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: course it's got the state government angry and they say
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: it's actually unsafe and you shouldn't be doing it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, stupid kids doing stupid.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Things, right, And I don't know why you'd want to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: tape yourself to.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: A poll or a a train railing or any that
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: sort of thing to begin with. But I mean, is
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: he harming anyone?
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: Can I just say, if you want to see a
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: half naked person covered with food and filth, you could
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: just catch any train.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: What's so special about that?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: They not true. The Metro is amazing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: You can you can see he lets people paint him
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: like he puts himself on poles and they come along
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and paint it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Am I missing something here?
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Well? I mean, I think this is what happens when
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: you put a generation in lockdown for the formative years
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: of their life, and then they all struggle to make
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: normal social connections and feel any sense of community. These
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: sorts of stunts I mean, you saw it there in
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: the images. They're bringing out lots of people to come
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: watch this unfold on the streets. Personally, I mean, is
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: it really harming anyone? It's weird, it's disconcerting, It is
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: extremely stupid, and he'll probably get harmed, but I don't know.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, the police moving him on, especially if
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: he's just in town hall or something. Tape himself to
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: a poll, I mean, that's kind of on him.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Do you know what it is?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: This is the first generation we are seeing sort of
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: entering into an adulthood, the first generation of kids who
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: have been able to see themselves and make videos of
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: themselves and be completely self aware of their digital image
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: for their entire life. So these are kids, and I say,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: you know, my kids watch this stuff like this on
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: YouTube all the time. Not familiar with this particular artist's work,
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: but it is just all about doing stunts. It is
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: all about just doing this sort of crazy stunts. Can
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: I do this stunt? Will I do this?
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: What will happen?
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: And it's usually there's sort of dopey Californians, but you
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: obviously have people in Australia and elsewhere, you know, imitating
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: them the dudes that, like, my daughter's obsessed with this
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: thing like secret rooms where someone.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Builds a bedroom, like, builds a secret.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Room under a trampoline and lives there while the owner
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: of the house goes about their day day business. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: this is just compulsive compulsive viewing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Well, remember remember we used to have wipeout.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Remember it was a total wipeout and they you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: this slippery stuff and they knock out and get through.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, everything.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: To worry like, it's the same concept is people like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to watch other people do stupid stuff.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: He's doing stupid stuff. They were watching it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and every gen z wants to be a celebrity
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: these days, and they all want to be an influencer
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: with a platform and followers and outrage and doing crazy
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: stunts is one way to get those views. But something
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: else that is rather peculiar is the Disability Minister Mark Butler. Well,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: he was supposed to meet with a disability advocate, except
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: when they got to his office, they realized there was
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: actually no way for them to get in.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Check it out, a good Shane, I'm here, I let
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: me in.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: I'm currently outside of Mark Barlow, the Federal Disability Minister's
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: office and it is not accessible. People with disabilities cannot
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: come in through the front door. I also noticed that
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: there is a doorbell here and it says ring bell
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: for rear delivery and wheelchair access. Obviously wheelchair access is
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: secondary to the delivery.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: That's a bit awkward, not very inclusive or pro disability inclusion.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Are you there now? Mark Butler's office has responded to
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: this and said, we know this is not good enough.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: We've requested the Department of Parliamentary Services identify another office
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: that has a more inclusive design and meets a diverse
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: range of needs. The office has engaged the council. Telstra
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: and architects were installing an access round at the front
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: of the building and we were quoted in excess of
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I've got a mite called blukekho can do it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Plus parts one hundred grand please.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I just love the irony of it though that it
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: is the Disability Minister's off and mister Ry Horrick, who
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: went around to have the meeting, said that even the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: doorbell that you were meant to press so you could
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: go up the delivery ramp at the back of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: building didn't work either. So if you're the disability Minister
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: and you're basically making it impossible for disabled people or
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: sorry as we call them in the modern language, people
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: with disabilities to yes, that is a real thing too,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: by the way, to come and visit you. I mean,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you know, he seems he doesn't want to interact with
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the public.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, look obviously it's a ridiculous, look but it
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: It's something that they would ever have foreseen, but it
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: is just you would think that there would be a
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: fix they could do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: And again, my best mate is quite a pledge, is
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: in a wheelchair. You know, there are portable ramps you
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: can get. You can just whack them down instantly and
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: at least you can have a sort of you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: stop gap fix for it so that you're not happy.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously he doesn't have too many people with disabilities
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: coming to visit him at his office because mister Rahork
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: said when they eventually came and found him and said,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: we'll go up the ramp out the back that takes
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you to the delivery space, when he tried to go
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: up and it had like tables and chairs and ashtrays
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and stuff all over it as well, so we can't
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: have that many people in wheelchairs coming to visit him
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: as the disability minister.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Well, maybe he's got to just you know, reach out
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: more and you know, just keep on rolling. Let's go
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: to another fantastic story here that forget about all that
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: embarrassing stuff about the disability minister.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Have you heard about albos mate with Donald Trump went
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: really well?
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: In case you're wondering, yes, of course Albo and Donald
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Trump and Kevin rud all had a great time at
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: the White House. They had a lunch in the cabinet room,
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: which is verysisticated. We had Kevin, we had Anthey Aberanezi
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: and Donald Trump sitting alongside each other. We had the
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: signing of a three hundred and sixty billion dollar orchesteel
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: fast tracked and about ten billions in a critical minerals deal.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: And look, I don't know what you've been seeing on
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: any of the other networks, but there was no downside whatsoever.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: It was all completely positive and in fact, Kevin Rudd
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: told me that himself. Anyway, let's have a look at
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: how well it went.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: And our economic relationship is so important. The US has
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: a trade surplus with Australia, as you know, and we
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: can continue to take what is every opportunity to improve
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: the relationship even further and make it even stronger. In
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: today's agreement on critical minerals and rareers is just taking
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: it to the next level. Today will be seen as
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: a really significant day in our relationship.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: And in fact went so well that not only did
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump say that ORCUS is still all good and
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: okay and fine, even though it's just been under review,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: but he said he's going to make ORCUS even better
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: and greater and more fantastic, and he's going to fast track.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: He's saying that it's been sitting in the backburner too
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: long and he's going to turbot charge it as only
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump could do. And then Andrew Connell from Sky
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: News said to Donald Trump, has there been any you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: it's been nine months since you took office and you
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: haven't had this meeting until now. Has there been anything
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: the Australian government has done anything that's displeased you in
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: any way, shape or form. And Donald Trump said absolutely not. No,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: I love it more than anything. It's fantastic. Albo has
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: been doing a great job and you're Ambassador Kevin Rudd.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: What a great guy.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: He's been concerned in Australia that it's taken nine months
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: to get this meeting. Have you had any concerns with
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: this administration with a stance on Palestine, climate change or
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: even things the ambassador said about you in the past,
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: He's strained, Ambassador.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything about him.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you said bad, then maybe he'll like
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: to apologize.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: I really don't know. Did an ambassador to say something
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: about it? Don't tell.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Whereas you said bad.
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: Before I took this positions to prison.
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: But I don't like you either, will that's going to
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: be what I mean.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I stayed up, I said, up till three in the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: morning to watch that note. I'm really glad I got
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to see it live, I have to say. Allegedly, well,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it is known. Andrew Clenell confirmed that Rudd did say
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: sorry to Trump after that, and according to the government,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: there was one in the room to hear it. But
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: according to the government, and Trump then basically said something
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: like all is forgiven. I don't believe for a minute
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: that Trump did not know who Kevin Rudd was and
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that he was sitting opposite him, because Rudd has done
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: all the leg work on getting this rare earth minerals
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: deal done. He's basically done all of it over there,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and I have to say he's done a bloody job
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: You won't often hear me praising Trump.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Trump praising Rudd, but in this case, he has done
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: good work and he deserves the credit for it. And
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: for all the other faults that Rudd has. He is
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: well respected, including among Republican ranks in the United States,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: for his knowledge on China. So I think he's actually
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: been able to pull off a good deal here. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Trump absolutely knew what he was talking about there. He
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: was just putting the screws on a little bit, as
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: only Donald Trump can do.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Trump had been told about those comments before.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: So he was absolutely aware of it. I think he
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: was just playing it up for the cameras. But I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: have to say, I think Albanezi and Trump walk away
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: from that meeting with their heads held high, having had
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: a very good day. And you'll notice that Trump, sure
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: he had the go at Rudd, but I think he
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: had to go at Rudd to avoid making any comment
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: about the other stuff that Colonel.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Had brought up.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He was very reticent to say anything critical about the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Australian government or Albanizi yesterday to the point where Albernizi
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: cit he'd be using Trump's comments in.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: His twenty twenty eight campaign material.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: That was the one moment in the meeting where I
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: was like, give me a break. Made you basically campaigned
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: the entire campaign on the fact that Peter Dutton was
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: going to be Australia's Donald Trump. He was going to
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: bring divisive American style Trump politics to Australia. And you
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: are the anti Trump. You are the left liberal soy boy,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: that is so weak. You are not Trump whatsoever. And
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: now when things are looking slightly up for you, you're
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: and you've realized, oh, actually Trump hasn't destroyed the world.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: He's actually been a remarkably successful US president. Now you
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: want to use his stuff in your twenty twenty eight campaign.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know that was half a joke, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: it did make me so annoyed, because I wonder if
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Trump knows the level of vitriol labor has stirred up
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: in Australia against Trump. We've seen that in all of
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: the opinion.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: He absolutely knows.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I have no doubt that he knows, but he's been
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: able to get Albow exactly where he wants him. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I thought the way Albanizi behaved last night was very
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: similar to how he behaved when he was in China
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in the presence of Jijingping when you see him dealing
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: with you know, high ranking foreign leaders like a Trump
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: or a g and Albow sort of becomes all obsequious
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, it's so nice.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: To be in your company.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Whoever it is, like, you don't look at him and go, oh,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that's the guy who'd really stand up if we needed him.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: So like, what do you want? You wanted to be
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: like you know, Zelenski and get thrown out of the overlap.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: No no, no no no no no no no. I don't no, no,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I don't want that.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad the meeting went well because it's good
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: for the country that we struck the last night. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you just sort of get the feeling that he's like
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the you know, the kid in the candy shop when
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: he gets to go to China or the White House
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: or so he can't believe his.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Luck that he gets to be honest, and the album
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: is he is genuinely a happy guy. He's having a
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: good time. He's in the ultimate job, he's in love.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Has just signed what the Australian are calling in their coverage,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: you know, his most monumental legacy achievement, and it is
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Why wouldn't you be happy?
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you be all.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Smiles, Yes, well it's great. On the other hand, yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Kevin right won't be.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: He's in roundabouts. But he's done a good job as well.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: He works, like Kevin Rudder has done, moved heaven and
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: earth to make this meeting happy and the previous phone
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: calls as well. So you know, I know he's got
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: his problems, believe you, Me and everyone, including a lot
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: of people in the Labor Party enjoyed seeing Trump kick
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: him in the nuts. But you know he has done
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: a lot of work and done real well.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Someone else who's going to be smiling very shortly is
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump because construction is underway for the new White
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: House ballroom. They are demolishing the East wing of the
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: White House to build a two hundred and fifty million
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: dollar ballroom. It'll be able to seat six hundred and
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: fifty people and it truly is something exquisite the design
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: of this place. It's all going to be white and
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: gold and beautiful. And the best part of it all
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: is that Trump and private donors are funding its construction.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: So what do you know, America gets a beautiful state
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: banquet hall. They get to renew the east wing of
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: the White House, which is pretty rundown and boring and
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: won't cost taxpayers a cent.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: I just love the fact that, you know, you can
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: give Trump control of literally the entire planet, the leader
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: of the free world, President of the United States again,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: and all he really wants is to be a property developer.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: That's not exactly the one thing he just really wants
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: to love to.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Flip, and good on him for it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it's being built on top of a bomb sheheld,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: by the way, so you know you can have some
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: fun dancing on top of the bomb shelter. And as
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: a reminder, we'll talk more about dancing later in the show,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: or more specifically, where you're not allowed to dance in Sydney.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Perhaps if you want to have your wedding, you might
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: want to go and have it at the White House
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: because you'll certainly be able to dance in that new ballroom.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Let's go up to Queensland. Well you might have heard
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a bit about this story throughout the day, but every
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: time I look at the headliner, really honestly, it's this
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: business up in Queensland now where they're going to allow
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: councils in indigenous communities to have a direct line to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: government ministers. And some people scratch their head and said, Jesus,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: sounds a bit like the Voice to Parliament, because of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: course the Voice to Parliament was meant to give Indigenous
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: people a specific voice at the table in Parliament and Cabinet, etc.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: So they're not doing that as a formal thing, but
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: they are saying they've inked this deal seventeen Indigenous councils
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in Queensland. If they have issues or things they want
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: to talk about, we'll be able.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: To go directly to the minister.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But the sixty odd other councils in Queensland don't get
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that privilege. Now, you know what, I have no issue
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: with councils being able to go and deal directly with
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the minister. I think there should be more of it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem. Why is it that all the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: other councils have to go and deal with these stupid
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats who stand in the way and you have to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: send out a communicator, have a meeting in five weeks time,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that has to go seventeen through seventeen other people before it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Can land in a calendar.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: But if you're an Indigenous council, you can get on
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the phone to the minister and get stuff done. That's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: just how it should be for everyone. Why do you
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: get a special treatment if you're an Indigenous council, Well.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right. I think that's the point here. There's
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: too much bureaucracy in state government and local councils across
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: the board, so this makes total sense. I do think
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: you could probably make the argument that these a lot
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: of these indigenous communities have particularly acute problems, and so
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: they should be a priority in trying to speak directly
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: with some of these ministers, especially when it comes to
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: things like sewerage and water supply. And then you might
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: also be able to say, well, if all of the
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: other seventy councils could do this, ministers would just be
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: inundated with local counselors whining to them every two seconds.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: So you know, there's a balance that has to be struck. There,
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: but in principle, I mean, this makes sense for everyone.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess the obvious answer is that these would
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: in many cases be remote or regional indigenous communities with
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: particular types of need that supersed you know, the mayor
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: of Greater Brisbane or whatever it may be.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: So I think it's okay.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: I think it's a wife of cutting red tape, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: I can understand why the White Fellows are jealous.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Indeed, just very quickly, before we get to the break,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: just a little slipper of good news for you. In
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the US Tomorrow they're going to have an academic conference
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be the first in the world
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: where AI is doing the whole thing. AI is writing
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the academic papers and then it's also reviewing them.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: What could possibly go wrong?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: After the break, we'll get.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Into the papers.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Which police commissioner he had a meeting in Tasmania thought,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Oh no way, I can't be getting on.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: A commercial flight. No Virgin or Codus for me. I'm
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: getting out of the police chopper. We'll tell you that
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: up at the break.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at how the newspapers have covered
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the meeting between Anthony and Anthony Albanisi and Donald Trump
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: will start with the advertiser. Rare air is the headline
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: over there, and they're mentioning there how it's good for
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: South Australia with the port Piriy smelter in orcast because
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of course, sir, that's the sub building capital down there
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in Adelaida's payback for Kevin Rude former PM Kevin radcops
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: of White House dressing down for the ages on the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: front of Telly.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: They call it the rudbath.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: BM thrives but Kevin dives at the White House. Amid
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: calls to send laughing stock ambassador home on the Newcastle
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Herald of all newspapers, it's his coming up. Trump's Australia's
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: critical minerals deal with you as could trigger the Hunter's
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: next mining boom. Everyone is finding a potential deal and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: positive out of this.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: And just look at the power play of that handshake.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, not.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: The dominant position, rubbish, absolute Rabbi.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: We need to see We need to see the video
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: because you know how Trump, if we can before I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: come back to.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: The papers, you can give us a.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Two shot of Joe and I here. You know how
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: he does those handshakes. Donald Trump where he said of
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: grabs hold and he goes like this, and he just
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: he just keeps stilling this business, and he won't.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Let you go.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I suspect that's it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Well, you can put the workers compo claim in. I
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: suspect that albow got a bit of that tree. And
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: on Herald Sun tomorrow it's got Trump's rud bath again.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: President humiliates keV as elbow seals deal. But an interesting
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: story below that and exclusive.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: From Mark Butler, a good friend of mine, as you
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: will be glad to hear.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah he does this one does better work. I continue.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Top Cop chopper gate, Victoria's Chief Commissioner, Mark Bush has
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: taken a police force helicopter to travel to a conference
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: in Tasmania instead of using a commercial flight. The air
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: wing used to provide aerial support for police operations, cost
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars for each other in the sky, while
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a commercial flight costs between one hundred and fifty and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: How can you and the bolk's only been in the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: job for five.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Let's say the guy Manute who they brought in to
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: clean up.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: All correct, how can you possibly justify firing up the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: chopper to go down to Tazzy when you can get
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a flight into Hobart or into lawn sestin, what do
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you need the chopper for?
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: And I'm the Victorian police so under resource that they're
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: taking police off streets, They're not investigating some crimes. The
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: prisons are overflowing criminals, so they need to let people
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: out on bailor more. And then you have the States
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: top comp taking a private helicopter down to Tasmania, which
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: is what only how long would the flight be Melbyn
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: to Tazzi an hour? Seriously, what a waste of taxpayer money? Yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: absolutely ridiculous. Well in the Australian tomorrow and interesting headline here,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Higgins drops Reynold's defamation case appeal. Brittany Higgins has dropped
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: her appeal against the court judgment that she defamed former
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Liberal minister Linda Reynolds, abandoning her attempt to ward off
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: a three hundred and forty thousand dollars damages award and
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: legal costs that could reach two million dollars. Miss Higgins
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: filed the appeal in the West Astra Alien Supreme Court
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: a month ago, on the last day she was legally
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: able to do so and coincidentally the same day she
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: accepted the service of the bankruptcy notice, Miss Reynolds has
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: been attempting to serve on her very interesting one there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Also in the Australian Tomorrow CAPONI catch on Illicit Tobacco,
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: the Australia Border Force is taking an our capone approach
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: to Australia's illicit tobacco market, with the Almineasi government attempting
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: aiming to make the multi billion dollar trade so hostile
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: the criminals are forced out before prosecutions are needed. ABF
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Assistant Commissioner Tony Smith said the approach would hit enablers
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: in the supply chain well, the illicit tobacco was and
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: the ballooning criminal crime network. It is supporting this billion
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: dollar industry, something we've talked about extensively on the show.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: So I think anything at this point would be appreciated.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: But what exactly that means is unclear. They're going to
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: be doing what the US is now doing with Venezuelan
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: drug boats, blowing them up. That might be a good idea.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Well, you'd be blowing up a lot of gear if
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: that's what you're going to do, because they come over
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: on shipping containers on general ships. When they're talking about
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the enablers, the only thing I can think of is
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: that they're going to go after the warvies because there
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: are obviously people who know which ships and witch containers
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: are coming in with this fear.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: Your cynicism once more shocks and disappointsment. If you are
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: suggesting there's any kind of nefarious criminal activity on the
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Wolves and our great cities in Australia that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: The ship is Dockers, there's no way they involved in
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: anything Dodge is there.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: But how exactly they're going to pull this off?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It look I know, I mean something has to be done,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: but it seems like a strange way of going about.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: I think sooner or later they are going to figure
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: out that they just can't. Kind of like they're grasping
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: at smoke.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: They're trying.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: They're literally they're not going, Hey, that's good, I should
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: write that down.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, they they're.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: Going to have to change the regulation, change the legislation
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: because just like with you know, al capone, I'm not
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: sure if they read up on their history, they have
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: to get al capone.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: On tax evasion because the laws.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Against actual alcohol production and transportation distribution simply weren't sufficient
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: to catch him because there was just such an absolute
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: flood of demand and supply it was absolutely impossible.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: So this is the question. I mean, the cat is
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: already well and truly out of the bag with illicit tobacco.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, it is already so out of hand. How
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: are they ever going to wind it back?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: That's right, I think your chances of doing so gone
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: up in smoke to be perfectly well done.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: That's very, very good.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Now, forget all that. I want you to clear your minds.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Forget about you know, Britney Higgins. Not a story, Donald Trump,
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Kevin Rudd, not a story. The war on tobacco, which is,
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: you know, equippling our economy and causing shops to be
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: fire bombs on a nightly basis.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Not a story.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you a story, and it's on the front
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: page of the Townsville Bulletin. It's about a man, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: not just a man, but a mayor. And not just
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: a mayor, but not quite a mayor. But don't tell
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: him that, because he thought he still was the mayor
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: for about a year in which he sat around earning
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: the money of a mayor. But not doing any mairing.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: And this man is a hero. We deserve the hero,
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: we need the hero. The Townsville has been crying out
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: for Troy Thompson, not just a former mayor, but a
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: former suspended mayor.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: As he has introduced.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: This story, I'm absolutely obsessed by. I just love it
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: so much. So there's this guy who is elected mayor
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: of Townsville. All this weird stuff has found out about
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: what he's been saying about himself, and blah blah blah blah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: So he gets suspended.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: He won't leave, he won't go, so he's kind he's
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: literally in suspended animation on on Meryl Pay sitting there
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: but not doing any mayoring, and everyone's just saying, mate,
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: just go go take the hint, go go.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Hees ah, I'm not going anywhere anyway. Then eventually did
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: have to go, and now he's running for mayor again.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: How good is this?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: But he's refused to.
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: Show up to the mayoral debate put on by the
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Townsville bulleten Have I made that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Joe because he's too busy not being a mayor.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: It's just amazing. So that's the background. I just want
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: to explain that so we read the story. So former
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: mayor ghost bought an over election debate. Troy is a
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: no show former suspended mayor. So again he's more famous
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: for being a suspended mayor than a mayor. Former suspended
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: mayor Troy Thompson is refusing to front a debate with
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: all eight other candidates and claims it is because he will.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Be preparing to announce a book deal. Yes, this is
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: all going to be put in. I can't wait.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: Mister Thompson is the only meryoral candidate who has not
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: agreed to participate in next week's debate because of course
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: he's the only mayoral candidate who has ever.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Been not mayor.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: God, mister Thompson was invited deal was invited to attend
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: the debate on October fourteen, but said he would quote and.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: This is my favorite quote of all time, have to
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: check his diary.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Because he's got a book because he's too busy. What
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: not born there? What book could possibly be writing?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Good heavens And very quickly on the claidy an seen
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: used tomorrow, it says that the power system over there
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: is in complete disarray, and the government is saying the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: energy minister there is saying that they urgently need to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: build more power infrastructure or they are looking steering down
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the barrel of long term blackouts.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: So for heaven's sake, let's hope they can get on
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: top of that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: One after the break.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: The wedding venue in Sydney where you're not allowed to dance.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: What sort of wedding venue is that?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: We'll tell you about that soon.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Look, you go to a wedding and you dance.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a prerequisite if going to a wedding,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: isn't it. But not so at one venue in Circular
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Key in Sydney. And what a stunning place to have
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: a wedding. I mean, you know Circular Key. This is
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the kind of people come from all over the world
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: to look at Circular Key. And you get to have
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: your wedding there in a heritage listed venue, and you've
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: had a nice meal, and it's coming towards the end
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: of the night and it's time for the bride and
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the groom to do what they always do. Take a look.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: Sorry, did you notice that both the bride and the
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: groom in that clip looked.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly And who was the third one?
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: They're off for a three up and down like a
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: bride's nightti. But you know it doesn't happen because you've
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: booked your wedding at Hinchcliff House in Circular Key, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: because it's a heritage listed.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Building and you know, buildings get old.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: The owners say the wedding venue is on the top floor,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and so they've banned dancing because under the heritage regulations
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: they're not allowed to reinforce the floor.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And so as the.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Building is getting older, the beams underneath are sort of
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: boeing as people dance, and the state government won't let
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: them do anything to reinforce the floor, so they say, sorry,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: no more dancing.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, deurocracy. You just get out of the way here.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you if you.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Want to, well, just let them.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Reinforce the floor.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: This wedding death dance where you could just hit the floor.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Just whoever survives.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Literally hit the floor. But just let them reinforce the floor.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you a shore fire away to make sure
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: we get rid of nice heritage buildings, which is to
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: not let people maintain them and make them usable.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: Well exactly, and this is clearly a building. It's been
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: restored by this hospitality group. It's now being actually used
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: versus a lot of other heritage buildings that just go vacant.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: And that's a great thing. But I just don't understand
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: this because you go to Europe and you're in these
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: nightclubs and bars that have been standing since like twelve
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: hundred and there are so many people packed in there
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: and they're still going And how old could this be? Max?
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Two hundred years? Yet they can't maintain it, they can't
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: put a beam in. It's just ridiculous. But something else
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: that is very interesting is RFK, the Health secretary over
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: in the US, has been called out for wearing jeans
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: while he exercises at the gym. Now, he is seventy
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: one years old and he's still regularly leg presses three
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: hundred kilos. But check that out. He's doing it in jeans.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: He's also hiked some mountain in jeans, and this is
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: his whole thing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Jeans, not just jeans, but sneakers and jeans, sneams.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And you know what they'd.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: La viewers all know.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I once walked up and down Mount Lofty in sneens successfully.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: So what's the problem.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Just when you think you know somebody, they're really surprised you.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Up next
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: to Riddy Panic, he showed good name