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Doubt VS Discouragement · Outcast

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All right. Welcome back.
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Thank you for those that have been listening and those that
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are new welcome. Welcome back.
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And before we start, we always pray so.
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Amen. Lord, thank you for allowing us
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to be here when you guide us and lead us into the absolute truth,
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for there's no one greater than you.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen. Amen.
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Here we go. Why would you look at that?
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Just a little bit about the World Cup.
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France is out. Awesome.
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I'm so happy they're out and. Right.
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Yeah, that's true. That is true.
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And yeah, and then Argentina's advancing to the finals, yeah.
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Yeah, for for those who pay attention, it's soccer.
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Yeah, but yeah, but that's not what we're talking about.
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But it's crazy. It's crazy.
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A lot of people are crying. A lot of people are.
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It's just a game. Yeah, it's just a game at the
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end of the day. I don't really care that much.
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It doesn't. It doesn't bother me at the end
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of the day, but yeah, on my way here, man, I was, you know, I
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was thinking about something. What?
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Were you thinking about? Like, like there's doubt and
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then there's discouragement. Interesting.
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So you're, you're well, you're implying they're, they're not
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the same. Maybe you can correct me if I'm
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wrong, but I don't. I don't.
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I don't think they're the same. Discouragement is more like,
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like you feel like there's just no other way.
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And then but it's not like it's not like you're doubting.
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It's just you believe in it so much and you're just like, wait,
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OK, So like how does this continue going?
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I don't know. I don't know, explain it.
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But then doubt is more like, like you're just like, Oh yeah,
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this is not going to happen whatsoever.
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Discouragement is I know that there is something behind this
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wall, but man, how am I going to get how am I going to get past
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this wall or something like that?
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You know what I mean, right? But you still, you still believe
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in it and you work it. You try to break it, you try to
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breakthrough that wall and then. So I mean, just just so that
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we're on the same page, you're saying that is something where
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in the way you're saying it is. It's not coming to pass.
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It's not gonna happen. You know this is gonna.
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Happen. Just give up, yeah?
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Versus discouragement is something where maybe it's
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something to do emotionally. Yeah, I mean it.
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It does have something to do emotionally, I guess you can
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say, but. What were you saying about
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discouragement? But discouragement is more like,
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like you know, you know, like you have faith, you, you.
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So discouragement doesn't mean lack of faith or or information.
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Not of not discouragement, no, no way.
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I don't. I don't think it means a lack of
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faith at all. Or information or.
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Information. You don't give you an example,
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right? I can give you an example in
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scripture. I never really thought about it.
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No, I mean neither. It's just I'm over here.
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I was like, listen, I don't doubt.
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I was like, I was, you know, I was like saying my mind, I'm
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like, I don't doubt. But I feel like some sort of
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discouragement for some reason. Now at the night I begin to
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think, for example, Elijah. Elijah didn't doubt.
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No way. He doubted.
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He believed in God. He he had faith.
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In No. Yeah, he witnessed it.
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He. Witnessed it, yeah.
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You know, he ran away and felt discouraged because he's like,
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wow, these people still. You mean after all they
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witnessed still still after me and I'm the only prophet?
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That's what he thought. So he thought, yeah.
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So could you say maybe there was another minute of both for him,
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but not doubt in God? Nah, maybe doubt in like.
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Because when I say doubt, I'm taught logically.
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Doubt is like you doubt because you don't have enough
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information. In other words, you doubt
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because you don't know so much of the unknown.
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Right. So you're saying that doubt is
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there's like a spectrum of doubt?
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Yeah, I guess, I guess, yeah, because I've really never
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thought about it actually. That's a good one.
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That's actually really good. Never really thought about
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doubt. If doubt or discouragement are
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both the same, it seems like they can be, but at the same
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time they're not. And that all depends on what you
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mean by doubt. You know, that's true.
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I will say this because, you know, at the end of the day, God
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hates doubt. He hates it and you can see it
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in the Old Testament. Really.
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You like, for example, the people of Israel when, when this
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witness God's power and then yet they still doubt.
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They still doubted like about when the two spies went went to
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go see the the city and they saw giants and then they were like,
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Oh, just it, it would have been better if we just stayed in
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Egypt and this and that. And then God was like, and then
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God would started destroying them, you know.
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So at the end of the day, I think it comes down to like the
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heart. The heart, you know, God can see
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that if this is doubt in which like the way he hates it, or if
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this, this is discouragement in which like God will draw near to
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you and give you strength well. Yeah, right.
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Did like Peter was walking on the water right for.
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Example. Yeah, yeah.
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And he was, he was walking initially he was walking on
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water, yeah, heading towards Christ.
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But then he sunk because I think he starts to look.
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I mean, he, he just didn't. He could have honestly, in my
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opinion, he could have just, he could have looked at Christ and
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still doubt. There's a lot of people do that.
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Right, right. But.
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For the purpose of of this, I don't want to, I don't want to
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go on a tangent. He walks and he sinks and Christ
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grabs him from the hand. He's like, you know, oh, you of
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little faith. Why do you doubt?
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Oh yeah, wait, is is that what he said to Peter?
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That's what he said to Peter when he was thinking.
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He reaches out for him and he says, Oh, you of little faith.
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Why do you he? Only had a little bit of faith.
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He didn't have a lot of faith, right?
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A little bit of faith, right? Right.
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Why do you doubt? Interesting yo so.
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And also, I mean in Romans, as I say, like who like whoever that
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has doubt is condemned if they, well, this is talking about
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eating or not conscious has to do with the conscience.
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Yeah. But if that's compromised, you
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have doubt. There's doubt in your foundation
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in that regard. It that's in that regard.
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Yeah, yeah. There's many examples, that's
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what I'm saying. Like, I mean, what, what you
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thought was good. I mean, I've never thought about
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it that deeply. Yeah.
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Yeah. Doubt versus discouragement.
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Like, I can tell you right now, I guess maybe when you're
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cornered, you can have doubt because there's no outlet,
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there's no escape. There's no, you don't know.
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But can you be discouraged even if you're not cornered?
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Yeah, that is true. That is.
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Knowing that there's many multiple options avenues way of
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figuring things out. Yeah, yeah.
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Or for example, when when Paul talks in his letters like do not
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lose heart by by him saying that he's implying do not be
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discouraged, right? Meaning do not lose heart right.
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You will be pumbled. You will be perplexed, all of
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this. All that stuff.
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That will discourage you, but don't now that just now my
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question is, does that discouragement, can it lead to
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doubt or can doubt lead to discouragement?
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Like, do you see what I mean? Yeah.
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Yeah, dude. Yeah, it.
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No, I'm just, I'm just saying because right doubt, essentially
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right, Why did people start sinking?
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Because. I mean, he still saw Christ.
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He still saw Christ, He. Was sinking looking at Christ
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and by the way, his sinking wasn't like he was sinking
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slowly. He just, you know, when you fall
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into water, you just go, you just go down.
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So was it because he doubted that Christ doesn't exist?
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I mean, he was in his face. He saw Christ walking on water.
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Or did he not believe enough? That's why he had little faith.
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Why do you doubt? Did did he doubt at that moment
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when he was walking on water? He couldn't believe that that
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was actually happening, right? Or the doubt came because of the
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scene that he was in. It was dark.
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It's night time. I think it was night time maybe.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Storm, waves, rain, right? There's no light.
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Yeah, that's true. And did.
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You see Christ. So like, was all that part of it
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as well? Right, right.
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You know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's true.
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So like, yeah, it's interesting the way, the way you're putting
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it right now, it's almost like, yeah, like doubt and oh man, I
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just had a brain fog. But doubt and discouragement,
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it's almost like they're almost like 1 and the same.
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But yeah, they have like differences.
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Yes, they can be. Right.
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It's almost like 1 can lead to another and the other one can
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lead to a, Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
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They can be, but also you can experience discouragement
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without doubt. You can also experience doubt
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without being discouraged. It's very true, very true.
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Because doubt essentially alone just means lack of information,
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not knowing, not being able to be in control that causes doubt.
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Yeah. But then discouragement alone is
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more of it's not a logical or tactical thing, it's more of
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like an emotional thing. Discouragement.
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Yeah, you're. Right.
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It's like the sadness. It's almost like that
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discouragement can can lead to anger, can lead to arrogance,
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can lead to a lot of things, right?
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Yes. But that's alone.
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But what if they can work? What if they can work side by
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side? Can doubt lead to
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discouragement? And can discouragement lead to
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doubt? Yeah, the way you're putting it,
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everything right now, the way 'cause honestly, I just.
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I think it was amazing the fact that you thought about that.
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I never really thought about it. I never even bothered to, to, to
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put it together or even cross my mind.
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Now, may I ask you, why did you think that while you were
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driving here? Oh, no, no, it's because like,
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man, when you do things for God, well, when God puts you on a
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task or a mission, right? Yeah, right.
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And, you know, the world is, you know, the world is the world.
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You know, they will, will put things in front of you, put
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things in which like, like, why is this happening?
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It's almost like, like I believe, I do believe that this
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is from you, God. And I know this is from you.
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But it's almost like so discouraging, like how like
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people are not on the same page. And then we have conflict and
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this and that stuff like that. Oh, yeah.
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OK. I'm, I'm trying to like, say,
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very vaguely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But it's like. I've, I've seen it in churches,
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in congregations, like the leaders get discouraged because
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perhaps the people, there's moments that Moses was
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discouraged, yeah, 'cause people just kept behaving that way.
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Yeah. Not that he doubted God ever,
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right? Right.
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But you know what? You're right though.
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You were totally right about what you know.
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Christ is my, my, my firm foundation, not the mission that
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I'm in. That's not my foundation.
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Crisis is my foundation. So let's just say like, things
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go like sideways for some reason, because I, you're right,
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you're right. Because I've seen people when
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they go to church and they trust the church way too much.
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They trust the leaders way too much and then something happens.
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It's almost like they get discouraged and then next thing
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you know they start doubting and then you just go back to their
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old ways. But the thing when you said God
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hates doubt. Uh huh.
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Yeah, Jesus did not like the fact, for example, like he
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rebuked them, like after they saw him, Bryce from the dead, He
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rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal
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to believe those who had seen him after he had reason and
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risen. So if he rebuked them, he didn't
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like it. You know, in those he was
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correcting them. Yeah, yeah.
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Obviously you're still doubting or lack of faith after you just.
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Witnessed, yeah. After you just witnessed.
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Yeah, that's why I used the story of Moses and the people of
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Israel when you know, God part of the Seas, he, he freed them
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and they still doubt it. And then God would just like
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dismantle them. Like it's almost like God is
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like what? Yeah, I mean, Peter does say
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that it is impossible, you know that without faith it is
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impossible to please him. Yeah, it's true.
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That's true. So could you say that like when
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somebody is like discouraged, could you could, Because I know
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there's a part in the scripture where it says God is near to the
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broken hearted, but when you read the thing in its context,
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it's talking about people that genuinely follow God.
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We'll also think about it too. I mean, if Elijah was
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discouraged, uh huh. Also, God was not OK with the
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fact that he was discouraged. Yeah, because OK, here's the
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thing. But see that's.
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Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
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He got discouraged. I believe he got discouraged.
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There's no way he lacked faith. He did all that.
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No, no. So, so like there was doubt to a
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certain extent, but not in like, oh, where is God?
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So this what happened? So I will say this like he, I
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believe he got, he got discouraged at the beginning,
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right? God attended to him.
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He did in the desert. Yeah, in the desert with an
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Angel, he brought bread and and water.
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Was he not attending to his discouragement?
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Exactly. Exactly.
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That's true. That's that's valid.
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He was. He was attending to it in like,
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in the aspect of like, broken hearted.
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I guess you can. Right.
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No, that's. Right, and he's like, get up,
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the journey is great for you, eat and let's go.
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Let's keep moving forward. And then he gets up and moves
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and then I, this is where doubt, I, I think doubt took place when
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he went to The Cave and just hid there.
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That's when God comes in. He says what are you doing here,
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Elijah? And then he just starts like
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flaming him. Yeah, it starts.
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It starts. Yeah.
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He's like God starts correcting him, Correct.
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Yeah. Yeah, he's like, you think
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you're the only one. I have 1000 more out there
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already so. So, but you see, like in his
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case, yeah, if God calls him out, letting him know you're not
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the only one, I have 1000 more that haven't bowed down to the
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to the God of Baal. Yeah, Yeah.
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That's implying that he thought he was the only one.
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Right? Right.
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So there could have been doubt or there could have been a
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little bit of cockiness from Elijah thinking he was the only
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one could have could get the mission done.
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Yeah, I was like, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If anything after that, he tells me, you know what, you're going
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to go and you're going to go anoint Alicia.
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Yes, he will take your place. That's.
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True, that's true. It's almost like, do you think,
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do you think that maybe Elijah at that moment, the mission
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became like his like priority for like a.
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Second, he idolized it. Probably right?
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No, no, Yeah, this is, this is wild.
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I mean, they're like, why are you?
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I can't believe you're saying hey, listen.
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It could, I mean. It could have happened.
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It could have, you know, if he, if he wouldn't have idolized the
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mission and what he was doing with the like all of that and
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God was backing him up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's not like God didn't love him.
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He loved him. And you know what?
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That's what happened to me. You know what?
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The fact that the fact that you brought that up, that's actually
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what happened to me. And in a way, I'll tell you,
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I'll, I'll, I'll describe a little bit like the whole
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mission he was doing with the fire.
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Where's your God Bail? You know, laughing at them, like
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being sarcastic. Yeah, yeah.
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It got into his head. And then as soon as Jezebel's
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like, alright, I'm just going to go and come after and kill you
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now. Yeah, yeah, right.
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What happened now? What?
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What happened all of the sudden? All of the sudden, like had he
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not idolized the mission, would he have been scared at Jezebel?
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No, he wouldn't have. You're right.
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I don't think he would have. And I can support that too,
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because I'm pretty sure at the end, after, you know, God splits
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open the The Cave and everything and tells him, all right, go.
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Like, you're not, you know, what are you doing here?
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Then he just goes on the whole like, rampage of like God
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backing him up. And you can read the story, but
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like, it's like God backing him up even more.
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But like, yeah, yeah. Like going back to what you were
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saying, like Cook. So, so this then then the
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question must be asked like, OK, well, he then I, you know, maybe
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I'm not going to say he idolized it, right?
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Idolized it in the aspect of like, he made it so much about
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that. Yeah, Yeah.
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That the moment Jezebel threatens him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
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He should have kept his, you know, you know, Yeah, Yeah.
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Stronghold. God is my stronghold.
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Doesn't matter. Let's go, you know, like, still
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with that. So the question is this, now
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that that's been revealed, what happens as a believer, Believers
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and disciples, what's better word disciples than anybody can
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believe? But for the sake of those are
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understandable. We mean believer.
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We're also implying that disciple, A believer who's
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disciple? Yeah, yeah.
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Could the discouragement and doubt, when that comes, could it
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be because we are not putting all of those things that God has
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given us, we're putting that too much importance?
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Yeah. Rather than trusting, rather
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than be like no God, God rather than putting God in front of it.
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Right. No, no.
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That's what I just kind of just realized in in real time.
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Yeah, yeah, it's almost like, that's so true.
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Because OK, So what I was saying with Elijah after God backed him
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up, it's almost like God like was like he like snapped Elijah
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out of it and was like, was like, and and basically like
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Elijah put his eyes on God back again and not on the mission at
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The Cave, at The Cave. Yeah.
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And then he went, he went back and he went to go do even more
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and then got backed him up more. But you know, he kept his eyes
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on God. So like, it's like, yeah, the
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problem is here is that when we keep our eyes on the mission.
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Even on the things that God give you.
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Yes, that's true. That is true.
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Because at the end of the day, God gives and God takes, right?
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Yeah. God prunes, God breaks God, he
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can do whatever he wants to his things.
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The thing is like. So when Peter then sinks.
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Uh huh. Did he make it about himself?
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That's a question because he did see Christ.
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He did. And then Christ called him out.
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You have little faith. Why do you doubt he?
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Did, yeah. Right.
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Did he want to see? Did he actually wanted to be
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Christ and walk to him, or did he want to see if he could do
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the same as Christ? Right, Yeah, it's almost like,
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or could it be like, like, am I really doing?
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Am I really doing this? What Christ is doing?
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Yeah, it's a lot of variables here, yeah.
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Yeah, what what I'm what I'm realizing is the sense of
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discouragement and thou can be because we even with the things
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that God gives us to do. We put that first way too much.
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Yeah, when he is at the epicenter of everything that.
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Is chairman at the. Center of it all.
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And that's actually a dangerous, dangerous ground to to feel
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discouraged and doubt in what God has given you, because then
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you will start to depend on resources rather than God.
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Yeah, himself. When we we're servants, we
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worship him, we pray, we read scripture to his service to
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honor him. Yeah.
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When we do that, as we're worshiping Him do, do we make so
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much about ourselves and how we worship Him?
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Yes. Or do we serve Him and worship
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Him despite what that means for us?
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Yeah, right. No, perfectly well said.
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So yeah, that's a good one. I mean, doubt and
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discouragement, they can be, seems like they can be 1 can
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lead to the other, the other can lead to the other.
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But doubt can also be separate. Discouragement can also be
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separate. I agree.
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And so, yeah, interestingly, yes, that's good.
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That's a, that's a good one. That's a good one.
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Yeah, no, I was just thinking about it and when I brought it
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up right now and the and the podcast, honestly, I didn't
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really know what I was getting myself into or, or what do you
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mean? Like like I didn't really know
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like if they were one and the same or if they're different.
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I was just saying, I think I think like, you know, maybe
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doubt and discouragement. No, they're they're both,
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they're both different experiences, right?
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Yeah, but one is more so doubt alone is like a lack of
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information. Yeah, lack of knowledge, lack of
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it is something which causes you then to say, Nah, this can't be
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it. That's doubt.
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Discouragement is an emotional thing to the to what you're
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attached to. It's disappointing you.
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Yeah, therefore you're discouraged.
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Exactly. That's perfectly well said,
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right. So, yeah.
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So basically, yeah. Now.
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Now I have a much better understanding.
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But they can also. One can lead to the others just
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as much. Just like doubt can lead to
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discouragement, discouragement can also lead to doubt.
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Yeah, because, I mean, you see it.
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I mean, Elijah was a good example.
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Of that, yeah. Yeah, right.
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Yeah, but he was a great a great example.
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Oh yeah, Paul was a great example.
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Peter, all these people were a great example.
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Yeah, right. Christ went to pray at the
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Garden of the Gethsemane and told and told his father, if you
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can pass this cup over me, Yeah, you know, but let your will be
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done, not mine. Now was that doubt?
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No, no way. Because he knew it.
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He knew. But I've asked that.
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That means he knows. He knows now.
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Was that discouragement? Like he felt weak.
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It wasn't discouragement, nor was it doubts.
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It wasn't right. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't.
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He just felt weak. He didn't know what he felt was
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the weight. All the weight, yeah.
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Not the weight of that of this mortal body.
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No, no, no. He was.
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He was witnessing how heavy. Yeah, the detachment is from
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eternal life because essentially that's what death is, spiritual
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death is. We don't have eternal life.
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We will never understand. We don't even comprehend it
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because mind you, he had to die for that reason for us to have
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the forgiveness of of our sins, right?
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So we didn't witness those who don't believe in Christ are
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condemned already and when they cross that bridge to the other
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side, then they will witness what Christ witness at the
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Garden of Gethsemane. Damn bro, right?
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Yeah, so now that was that was a good one.
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So for all those listening who are believers #1 who are being
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discipled and or just coming to the faith, there will be doubts.
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Moments of doubts will be moments of discouragement.
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You will be double minded. All these things will happen,
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right? But keep your eyes on the
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Kingdom. Yeah.
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Because the moment you keep, the moment you take your eyes off of
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that and you put your eyes on the things that God is giving
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you, the world is going to disappoint you no matter what.
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Yeah, yeah. People will disappoint you.
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Yep, and that is OK too, because that's inevitable.
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Yeah. So this actually came from a
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sister in Christ who said this. You know, I believe she was your
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cousin. She is your cousin, she said.
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Keep your eyes on the Kingdom. Yeah, that's true.
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Keep your eyes on the Kingdom of heaven and everything else falls
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into its place. But the moment you like, put
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your eyes on the things that fall into their place.
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Yeah, those things that are supposed to fall into their
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place and when they do fall into that place and you and then you
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keep your eyes on that then, then.
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You will have doubt and discouragement.
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And or discouragement. Or discouragement, yes.
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So literally that is the key. So simple, but yeah, like we
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failed to do it a lot. But just keep your eyes on God.
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Yeah, that is literally the answer to everything.
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Absolutely, Absolutely. Yeah, it's as simple as that.
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Yep. But yeah, well, I think that's
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it for today part. Thank you guys for listening.
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And I mean, we'll keep saying this, but in due time, things
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will be set up where you will have access to whoever wants to
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donate for the nonprofit. Also, there's some merchandise
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soon that will be out there like a kind of like, if you will,
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like a, an apparel. Krishna apparel.
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Yeah. And the book is done, thank God.
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Like we've said, it's just an editing.
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Yep, phases. And so soon that will also come
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out. And maybe in the first few
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copies, you can give free copies, right?
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Correct. And we'll close it out with a
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prayer. Thank you, Father, that you will
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be done like it is done in heaven.
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Let it be done here on earth. You have the absolute control of
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everything. Our language cripples us for
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from being able to express ourselves to our to the extent
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that we would like to. But we know that you are all
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knowing or above even that, and you wield eternity, you give
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eternal life. You are the source of life.
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You are the source, the actual, the, the the definition of
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truth. And you express that through
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your Son. And because of your Son we have
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access to you. Father, thank you for that.
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And we clarify you, that you have given us a counsellor, your
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Spirit, whom dwells amongst us and convicts us of of our sin of
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righteousness and judgement. And that we pray for all of
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those who are listening and those who will potentially one
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day listen, that this can be a word in which can encourage them
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and they can dissipate and destroy any doubts in their way.
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And let it always be your will. Father, thank you.
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Amen.