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The Kenny Report | 3 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report. I'm Danikiti Giorgio
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  Speaker 3: filling in for Chris Kenny. Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Labour's latest bizarre backflip, this.
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  Speaker 3: Time on an anti Israel artist who is set to
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  Speaker 3: represent the nation during a taxpayer funded trip to Venice.
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  Speaker 3: Childcare advocates want men banned from the industry amid allegations
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  Speaker 3: of abuse in the sector, but is that really the answer.
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  Speaker 3: I'll chat to an expert, and climate activists plan to
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  Speaker 3: hold a three day training camp to prepare activists for
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  Speaker 3: a blockade.
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  Speaker 4: I'll get stuck into that with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. Well.
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  Speaker 3: Labor has been missing in action on anti Semitism since
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  Speaker 3: October seven, twenty twenty three, and has been flip flopping
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  Speaker 3: ever since, trying to keep the Muslim vote on side,
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  Speaker 3: rarely throwing a bone to the Jewish Australian community, and
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  Speaker 3: in the rare occasions it does, it's only when it's
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  Speaker 3: politically convenient. And now we have another example of Labour's
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  Speaker 3: breathtaking incompetency when it comes.
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  Speaker 4: To our values.
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  Speaker 3: Labour's latest bizarre backflip centers around two anti israel artists,
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  Speaker 3: Khalid Subsabi and his curator Michael Diagstino. Now, in February,
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  Speaker 3: Subsabi was dropped as Australia's pick for the Venice Bienali
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  Speaker 3: and this event is known as the so called Olympics
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  Speaker 3: of the Art world in Venice. But the problem was
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  Speaker 3: with some of Sasabi's previous art. The first depicting slain
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  Speaker 3: Hesbel Alida Hassan, Israela, in which beams of light had
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  Speaker 3: shone from his eyes and mouth, suggestive of divine illumination,
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  Speaker 3: and was reportedly set to audio of Nzraela speaking at
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  Speaker 3: a two thousand and six victory rally following Hesbela's month
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  Speaker 3: long war with Israel.
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  Speaker 4: Now you remember n Israela.
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  Speaker 3: Was of course killed by Israeli forces last year. And
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  Speaker 3: the second was art a peer to show George W.
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  Speaker 3: Bush saying thank you very much for terrorist planes flying
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  Speaker 3: into the World Trade Center towers on September eleventh, two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and one. Now a preface by saying I am
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  Speaker 3: not an art expert, but that art to me does
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  Speaker 3: not at all represent Australian values, let alone from an
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  Speaker 3: artist on the world stage, whom you and I are funding,
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  Speaker 3: And at the same time, the chair and CEO of
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  Speaker 3: Creative Australia said that the artwork actually reflected the diversity
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  Speaker 3: and plurality of Australia's rich culture.
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  Speaker 4: Well ge, who would have thought that.
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  Speaker 3: A terror leader was so important and rich to our culture.
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  Speaker 3: Now the agency reports to the Arts Minister Tony Burke,
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  Speaker 3: who established it and appointed the board at the time
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  Speaker 3: in February, he supported the decision. In fact, he said
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  Speaker 3: he was shopped to see the works online. This was
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  Speaker 3: before the election, and now that that's done and dusted,
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  Speaker 3: suddenly would you believe the art is acceptable? The artist
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  Speaker 3: was yesterday reinstated to represent us to represent Australia in
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  Speaker 3: Venice following an independent review. The backflip by Creative Australia
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  Speaker 3: received the full backing in fact of Tony Burke.
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  Speaker 5: I don't put myself out there as an art critic.
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  Speaker 5: But when the criticism that was done at the time
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  Speaker 5: said these were not pro terrorist works, and the artist
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  Speaker 5: himself says there is nothing in this it's meant to
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  Speaker 5: in any way endorse terrorism, then I don't think politicians
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  Speaker 5: can say, well, you're all wrong, and it is creative.
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  Speaker 3: Australia went as far as to apologize to the artists.
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  Speaker 6: This work is not about terrorism, It is not about
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  Speaker 6: glorification of terrorism in that way, and that those who
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  Speaker 6: choose to mischaracterize the work aren't being honest to the
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  Speaker 6: intention of the work or the practice that this artist has.
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  Speaker 6: Who is it'll be peace loving artist in the way
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  Speaker 6: that they construct their images.
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  Speaker 3: Now, look, as I said, I don't pretend to be
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  Speaker 3: an art expert, and I do strongly support freedom of speech.
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  Speaker 3: But this, to me is appalling artwork of a terror
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  Speaker 3: leader painted in a heavenly light. And art is obviously
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  Speaker 3: open to interpretation, but I don't think terror is that
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  Speaker 3: difficult to interpret.
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  Speaker 4: And the bigger problem is not with the art itself.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is that our money, our hard earned taxpayer dollars,
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  Speaker 3: is going towards an artist who's had these art done,
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  Speaker 3: and we're promoting it on the world stage, and no
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  Speaker 3: one is stopping the artist to lead Subsabi from doing art.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, he's not been canceled previously. He can paint
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  Speaker 3: till the cows come home. But a taxpayer funded junket
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  Speaker 3: to Venice is a problem when he's there to represent
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  Speaker 3: Australia through artwork that does not represent our values. Most
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  Speaker 3: hard working Laura biding Ossies do not support the former
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  Speaker 3: leader of a terror group and do not think that
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  Speaker 3: he should be painted in a heavenly light, nor do
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  Speaker 3: they support the work of terrorists. On September eleven, we
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  Speaker 3: know that Hezbollah is a highly antisemitic group. It's hostile
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  Speaker 3: towards Jews and any sort of endorsement, even just artwork
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  Speaker 3: that contains senior figures, is offensive.
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  Speaker 4: But it's also insensitive to Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 3: Now, artists I believe have the right to express themselves,
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  Speaker 3: but not at our expense. And this was an artist
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  Speaker 3: who was apparently unfit to represent Australia in February, but
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  Speaker 3: has now been deemed a suitable choice five months later,
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  Speaker 3: and Labor is once again showing how out of touch
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  Speaker 3: they are with most Aussies. It comes at a time
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  Speaker 3: when anti Semitism is at a crisis point. Our social
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  Speaker 3: fibers are being ripped apart because of ideologies that are
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  Speaker 3: incompatible with our democracy, and once again it sends another
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  Speaker 3: message to Jewish Australians that they don't matter under this government.
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  Speaker 3: The coalition is rightly asking questions.
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  Speaker 7: I think mister Burke, who previously had said that this
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  Speaker 7: was an arm's length decision and now has come out
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  Speaker 7: and defended mister Subsabi's previous artworks, also needs to explain himself.
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  Speaker 7: We believe in the rule of law and we list
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  Speaker 7: organizations as terrorist organizations. I think, particularly at this time,
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  Speaker 7: this is the wrong person to be representing our country,
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  Speaker 7: particularly given the tensions in Australia and the declining level
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  Speaker 7: of social cohesion and the anti Semitism crisis that we've
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  Speaker 7: faced in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly preempting the backlash to this decision, Tony Burke has
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  Speaker 3: decided to cancel the visa of rapper Carnie West over
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  Speaker 3: a song called Hail Hitler.
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  Speaker 5: He's been coming to Australia for a long time. He's
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  Speaker 5: been making He's got family here and in He's made
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  Speaker 5: a lot of offensive comments that my officials looked at
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  Speaker 5: it again once he released the high Hitler song, and
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  Speaker 5: he no longer has a valid visa in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I just think the timing of this is all so bizarre.
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  Speaker 3: Carnie West, call.
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  Speaker 4: Them what you like.
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  Speaker 3: The guy's got no tour planned in Australia. He's got
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  Speaker 3: no immediate plan to come to this country. And it's
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  Speaker 3: clear that Burke has backflipped on an anti Israel artist,
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  Speaker 3: but he said, well, look, don't worry. Don't worry, I've
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  Speaker 3: banned Carnie West. I mean, give me a break. Labor
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know whether it's coming or going. Well, we now
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  Speaker 3: know what Anthony Albernezi has been busy working on. When
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  Speaker 3: he's not on a plane to Washington, d C. To
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  Speaker 3: try and get that all important meeting with Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: or when he's not figuring out how Australia's defense spending works,
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  Speaker 3: we know what he's been up to. He's been busy
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  Speaker 3: casting his vote for Triple J's upcoming Hottest one hundred
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  Speaker 3: Australian Songs. In fact, it was a tough decision, he said,
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  Speaker 3: hard to narrow down to just ten. The Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: posted to social media and if you have a look there,
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  Speaker 3: he's picked Cold Chisel's Flame Trees, Midnight Oil's Beds are Burning,
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  Speaker 3: Paul Kelly's how to Make Gravy, among others. But he's
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  Speaker 3: number one. Am I ever going to see your face again?
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps that was the reason, or perhaps that's what Albow should.
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  Speaker 4: Be singing to Donald Trump this again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've got to say we all know what
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  Speaker 3: the Aussie reply is in pubs.
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  Speaker 4: When we hear am I ever going to see your
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  Speaker 4: face again?
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  Speaker 3: Can't say it on air, but maybe that is exactly
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  Speaker 3: what Donald Trump has said back to Albow.
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  Speaker 4: Jotting me.
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  Speaker 3: Now is National's Deputy leader Kevin Hogan, Kevin, good to
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  Speaker 3: see you. We can see whether the Prime Minister's priorities are.
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  Speaker 4: But look, I do want to talk more broadly.
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  Speaker 3: About the situation with the US because it looks like
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  Speaker 3: labor has given up really on trying to secure an
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  Speaker 3: exempt from exemption from Trump's ten percent tariffs and Australian goods.
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  Speaker 3: Here was a Foreign Minister, Pennywong speaking on Sky News
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  Speaker 3: this morning.
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  Speaker 4: The US has a.
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  Speaker 8: Trade surplus with US, you know, whilst we.
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  Speaker 4: Keep on reminding them, well, I think it's.
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  Speaker 8: An important cent you know, fair facts. We see the
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  Speaker 8: strategic benefit in critical minerals. We recognize that assuring those
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  Speaker 8: supply chains is important for Australia, it's important for the US.
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  Speaker 3: So she's highlighted the fact that we have a trade
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  Speaker 3: surplus with the US and maybe critical minerals could provide
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  Speaker 3: some leverage, but no word on any exemption. What more
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  Speaker 3: could have been done here?
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  Speaker 9: But donaka As we keep saying, the Prime Minister obviously
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  Speaker 9: needs to get a meeting with Trump. I mean good
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  Speaker 9: on Penny Wong, she got a fatal what with her
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  Speaker 9: counterpart in the US Novice had conversations, and that is
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  Speaker 9: good and that is healthy, but she's never going to
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  Speaker 9: come back with the dialogue or with the deals that.
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  Speaker 10: We need done.
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  Speaker 9: And I think you're right. I think they have thrown
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  Speaker 9: the flying the white flag and aren't going to try
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  Speaker 9: to get exemptions to the tariffs.
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  Speaker 10: Now.
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  Speaker 9: The important thing about that DONECA is the steel and
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  Speaker 9: alaminium tariffs. We have a fifty percent now. A lot
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  Speaker 9: of other countries have got carveouts for that, have got
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  Speaker 9: a lot lower tariffs for steel and atomium, so we
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  Speaker 9: should not be giving up on that, but it looks
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  Speaker 9: like we have, so that's not good for our steal
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  Speaker 9: and anatomium workers. We also know the other issue here
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  Speaker 9: is which is as more and if not more important,
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  Speaker 9: are the national security concerns and questions we now have
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  Speaker 9: about our relationship orcus really important relationship. But look ALBERNIZI
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  Speaker 9: can't get a phone call, never knowon a meeting with Trump.
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  Speaker 9: He is inconsequential on the world stage. That's very damaging
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  Speaker 9: to US as a country on a whole lot of levels.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of prime ministers, both labor and liberal, have
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  Speaker 9: far more, had far more influence on the international stage
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  Speaker 9: than al Benezi, and it's really disappointing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean, Penny Wong was obviously sent
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  Speaker 3: over there on some sort of peacekeeping mission, but she's
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  Speaker 3: come back empty handed, no moves on tariffs, Still no
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  Speaker 3: meeting between Trump and Albow. But the question is why
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  Speaker 3: has it all been left to Penny Wong really to
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  Speaker 3: sort out the mess?
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  Speaker 9: Well, look, obviously he was able to secure a meeting
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  Speaker 9: good honor. We've seen Richard Miles go over interesting reports
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  Speaker 9: we saw out this week out of the US by
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  Speaker 9: some of the commentators over there that Kevin Rudd doesn't
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  Speaker 9: help this cause either. I mean, let's not forget that. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 9: both Kevin Rudd and indeed the Prime Minister have made
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  Speaker 9: very unprofessional remarks about the US President. I don't know
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  Speaker 9: if that still has an impact, that reports out last week,
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  Speaker 9: when maybe they do, But you know this unprofessional behavior,
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  Speaker 9: unprofessional commentary that both Rudd and Alberanezi I think is
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  Speaker 9: now starting to catch up with them both. But look
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  Speaker 9: who's damaged by this. Our steal and antiminium workers are
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  Speaker 9: damaged by this. We have a lot of national security
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  Speaker 9: issues that we need to talk about Trump, and he
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  Speaker 9: needs to go over there because we don't agree with Trump.
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  Speaker 9: We don't agree with Trump on tariffs, we don't agree
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  Speaker 9: with him on some things. We need to work out
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  Speaker 9: what the national security arrangement is with defense spending. But
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  Speaker 9: he can't even get a call in which you know,
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  Speaker 9: as I say, I think he is inconsequential, which is
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  Speaker 9: damaging to our international relationships.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, especially given that America is our number one ally
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  Speaker 3: and we've always had such a good, long standing relationship
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  Speaker 3: to get to this point already in the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 3: I just think it's so bad for Australia. Now, look,
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  Speaker 3: let's move on, because the Australian public Service is set
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  Speaker 3: to hit a record two hundred and thirteen thousand staff
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  Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty five to twenty six financial year,
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  Speaker 3: and apparently almost one hundred and fifteen thousand of those
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  Speaker 3: are basically just there to make sure that everyone else
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  Speaker 3: is doing their jobs. What does it say about bureaucracy
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  Speaker 3: under labor.
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  Speaker 9: Well, productivity at a twenty year low deference, it's as
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  Speaker 9: big as the eye can see for the next ten years.
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  Speaker 9: And what an increased bureaucracy says is what we know
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  Speaker 9: about labor governments. Labor governments believe they're in their DNA.
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  Speaker 9: They instinctively believe bigger government is better. They believe that
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  Speaker 9: Canberra knows best. They believe that bureaucrats in Canberra should
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  Speaker 9: be telling people what they can do and how they
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  Speaker 9: can do it. They believe in big government. Eighty seven
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  Speaker 9: percent of jobs created in the last three years have
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  Speaker 9: been government or government supported jobs in our country, only
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  Speaker 9: thirteen percent private enterprise job. So this is in labour's DNA.
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  Speaker 9: They believe government knows best, more bureaucrats is best. And
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  Speaker 9: this is obviously going to be a big drain on
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  Speaker 9: our budget and a big drain on our productivity.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: And you know it's interesting because the Coalition was admonished
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  Speaker 3: during the election for its I guess it's a Doge
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  Speaker 3: style policy to make savings and make.
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  Speaker 4: Cuts in the public service. But when you think about it, Kevin, this.
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  Speaker 3: Is actually exactly why we need it, well exactly, and
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  Speaker 3: every person I speak to a shadow trade and Tourism
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  Speaker 3: and investment minister.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I talked to a lot of our private enterprises,
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  Speaker 9: a lot of our businesses who are trying to sell
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  Speaker 9: things overseas and you have to be competitive, you have
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  Speaker 9: to get your product from Australia to other countries at
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  Speaker 9: a competitive price. And they all talk to me about
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  Speaker 9: an inefficient bureaucracy, just more green tape, more red tape.
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  Speaker 9: And we're seeing that from this government because again in
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  Speaker 9: Albanize's DNA, in spin Gym Charmer's DNA, they believe government
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  Speaker 9: knows best and government should take as much of their
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  Speaker 9: money or your money as they can. And that's why
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  Speaker 9: we're seeing increased taxes, that's why we're seeing increased bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all very sneaky, but you're spot on, Kevin Hogan.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
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  Speaker 3: this evening. Really appreciate it. Well, let's return now to
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  Speaker 3: that controversial decision by Creative Australia to reinstate Karled Sabsabi
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  Speaker 3: and his curator Michael Diagostino as Australia's pick for the
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  Speaker 3: Venice Biennale in twenty twenty six. Sasabi, who was apparently
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  Speaker 3: unfit to represent Australia in February, has now been deemed
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  Speaker 3: a suitable choice five months later. Despite his previous depictions
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  Speaker 3: of terrorist leader Hassan Nasrala and nine eleven. The opposition
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  Speaker 3: has slammed the move today.
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  Speaker 7: I think Creative Australia's made the wrong decision. The representative
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  Speaker 7: of Australia on the world stage should reflect our values,
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  Speaker 7: and to reinstate this artist as our representative of the
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  Speaker 7: bienali and to give them taxpayer funds I think flies
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  Speaker 7: in the face of those values.
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  Speaker 3: I mean now is Executive Council of Australian Jury co
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  Speaker 3: CEO Alex Ripchen. Alex, thank you so much for joining
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  Speaker 3: me on the show.
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  Speaker 4: I've said this earlier.
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  Speaker 3: This is actually bigger than the artwork itself. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the art, in my opinion, doesn't align with our values.
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  Speaker 3: But the point is our taxpayer dollars are going towards
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  Speaker 3: funding this artist overseas. We still don't know what sort
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  Speaker 3: of art they're going to be curating at this junket
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  Speaker 3: in Venice.
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  Speaker 4: What's your take.
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  Speaker 10: Well, look, it raises a lot of questions about process.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, a few months ago this artist was deemed
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  Speaker 10: too controversial to an appropriate to represent Australia on the
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  Speaker 10: world stage, and suddenly something has transpired in the intervening
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  Speaker 10: months to make him fit again and worth even apology
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  Speaker 10: and reinstatement. His artwork is very clearly depicting Hassan nasrala
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  Speaker 10: terrorist leader. There's a depiction there of the nine to
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  Speaker 10: eleven terror attacks in a way that's at best ambiguous
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  Speaker 10: and at worst flat and honorific. And I think that
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  Speaker 10: he needs to explain himself as to what his intention was.
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  Speaker 10: And in the whole period of this drama, not once
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  Speaker 10: has the artist said that he was not seeking to
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  Speaker 10: depict us rather in a flattering or glorifying way. He
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  Speaker 10: was saying that he was intended to stoke controversy and
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  Speaker 10: create debate from this work. And people will say this
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  Speaker 10: is a matter of artistic freedom, and of course artists
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  Speaker 10: are free to paint and depict whoever they wish and
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  Speaker 10: whatever way they like, and no one's denying that. But
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  Speaker 10: it's a question of whether this guy is the best
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  Speaker 10: that we have to represent astround the world stage. Is
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  Speaker 10: this the best we can do? And what does it
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  Speaker 10: say about our artistic scene, about our cultural scene, and
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  Speaker 10: what does it say about the arts as being a
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  Speaker 10: place of inclusion and tolerance which it professes to be,
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  Speaker 10: Because more and more we're seeing the artistic sector become
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  Speaker 10: eroded and more and more it's people with a very
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  Speaker 10: narrow political agenda and ideology and everyone that doesn't subscribe
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  Speaker 10: to it is pushed aside. And I think that's what's
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  Speaker 10: happened here.
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  Speaker 3: Look absolutely, I mean we've seen activists hijack you know,
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  Speaker 3: theater company performances. You know, you go to the theater
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  Speaker 3: company to watch art, you don't go there to have
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  Speaker 3: political views shove down your throat. But I think it's
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  Speaker 3: the same as this. You know, art is open to interpretation, fine,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think a leader of a terror group
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  Speaker 3: painted in a shining light needs a lot of interpretation.
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  Speaker 3: More broadly, what do you make of Tony Burke's backflip
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  Speaker 3: and his stance changing from February to July.
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  Speaker 10: Well, his remarks in the last couple of days have
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  Speaker 10: been fairly inscrutable and difficult to understand because he's referred
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  Speaker 10: to the creative Australia Report, which according to Tony Burke,
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  Speaker 10: justifies this reversal and speaks about a new body of
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  Speaker 10: evidence coming to life that shows that this work wasn't
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  Speaker 10: intended to glorify terrorism. But when you actually read through
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  Speaker 10: the report, it doesn't say anything of the sort of
• 17:52
  Speaker 10: talks about processes and need, the need to do things
• 17:56
  Speaker 10: a little bit better and so forth. But in terms
• 17:58
  Speaker 10: of the art itself and how I was interpreted and
• 18:01
  Speaker 10: whether it accords with Australian values and whether he should
• 18:04
  Speaker 10: have been nominated in the first place to represent austraight
• 18:06
  Speaker 10: doesn't say anything about that. So the fact that he's
• 18:09
  Speaker 10: now been given this lavish apology reinstated, it's a great
• 18:13
  Speaker 10: victory not only to the artist himself, who appears to
• 18:16
  Speaker 10: be of Jubiu's character and integrity given the nature of
• 18:18
  Speaker 10: his works, but also to people that revel in this
• 18:22
  Speaker 10: sort of thing, that believe that the arts should be
• 18:24
  Speaker 10: going more and more in a particular arty, logical direction.
• 18:27
  Speaker 10: And I think it's a blight on our Australian culture,
• 18:30
  Speaker 10: and to have this individual representing us abroad, I think
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: it sells as short. We have so many wonderful, talented
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: artists who I think are far more deserving of the
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: opportunity than someone who has these sorts of veiled views
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: towards terrorist leaders and terroist atrocities.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've also learned from the Home Affairs Minister
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: that rapper Carnie West visa to Australia has been canceled
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: following the release of his song hal Hitler.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I don't like Carnie West. I think his views are
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: absolutely abhorrent. But I can't help Alex but question the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: timing in this. You've got a change decision of this artist,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: and suddenly Tony Burk's talking about Karnie West, who's got
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: no intention of visiting Australia anytime soon and has no
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: tours planned, no music plan here.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: What do you make of the timing.
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: Well, it certainly looks like a heck of a coincidence,
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: the fact that the announcements coincided so closely in time,
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: the fact that the same minister is responsible for the
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: arts and also for immigration and Home Affairs. It's curious,
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: But I think we need to look at each issue
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: on its merits. With Kanye West, I think for a
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: long period of time he did immense harm to the
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: Jewish community. I think a lot of the things that
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: we're seeing around the world in terms of the outpouring
• 19:44
  Speaker 10: of propaganda, the demonization of Jews, particularly in the music industry,
• 19:49
  Speaker 10: as we just saw a Glastonbury, I think it can
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: be very closely connected to what Kanye West started a
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: little while ago. Back in May, after the murder of
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: two Jewish people outside the Jewish Museum in Washington, DC,
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: he posted fairly cryptically on social media that he's now
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: done with anti Semitism and that he wants love towards everybody.
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: He's going to have to do more than that, because
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: I think he's so far degraded his own reputation and
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: revealed his character to be so malignant and unstable through
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: the things that he said and done. I think there
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: needs to be consequences. But again, Denik, I take your
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: point the fact that this was twinned effectively with the
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: Benali announcement. There's something a little bit dubious about it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's once again Labor walking both sides of the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: strait on this issue. And that's just it's something that
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: we've seen time and time again from Labor since October seven,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three before We Let You Go. Alex Hamas
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: is reportedly considering a sixty day guas a ceasefire proposal,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: which President Donald Trump says Israel has backed. How Mus
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: we know have been flip flopping time and time again.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Can't be trusted. What do you think the likelihood of
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: this going ahead is?
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: Look, they're a highly unpredictable actor. You know, their whole
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: ideology is based on death. Their whole calculus of propaganda
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: and political victory is based on more death and more
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: suffering to keep the political pressure and the economic pressure
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: isolation on Israel. So they could fight until the bitter end,
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: and that's clearly what they've been doing so far. They
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: have no prospect of a military victory. But while we're
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: all wearied by this war, we wanted to come to
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: a close, foremost for the fate of the hostages living
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: and dead, and their families who are suffering so acutely.
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: It's got to end in the right way, and it
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: has to end with not only the return of all
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: of the hostages living and dead, but it has to
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: end with the defeat and the final dismantlement of the
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: infrastructure of Hamas. We can't return to a situation that
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: existed on October sixth, where Hummas was embedded on Israel's
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: southern border using aid plotting, digging tunnels, launching attacks through
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: rockets and through ground infiltration. We can't go back to
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: a situation where Israeli's endangered again and the wars revive
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: a few years down the truck. So much has been sacrificed.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: This war has to be the final war with Hummas.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Absolutely fingers crossed.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Alex Ripton, thank you very much for joining me on
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the show this evening.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Really appreciate it. Coming up.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: It's been a rough week for Labour's renewables only agenda,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: with yet another energy giant pulling out of an offshore
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: wind project, plus calls for urgent childcare reforms following shocking
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: child abuse allegations in Victoria. That's next, welcome back, Well,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Labour's green agenda has been dealt yet another blow.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Gee, it's blowing up every day, isn't it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Norwegian oil and gas giant Equinor has abandoned its third
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: offshore wind project in Australia.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Now Equinor had.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: A majority interest in the project on the northeast Tasmanian
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: coast and so now the local developer is searching for
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a new backer. Joining me now to discuss this and
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: more is The Australian's Environment editor Graham. Lloyd Graham, good
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to see, thank you for joining me. Look here we
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: go again. Another windfront project has either been put on
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the back Bernard, delayed or canceled.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: What does this tell.
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: Us, Well, good evening, Dnika. What it tells us very
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: clearly is that offshore wind it's not what it was
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: cracked up to be. It's proving to be more expensive
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: and more difficult than was hoped. Companies that have tried
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: it have largely lost their money and in the case
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: of Equinor, they're returning to their core business, which is
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: oil and gas, and they're really giving the offshore wind
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: business away, particularly in Australia.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're going back to oil and gas where
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: they belonged. I mean, doesn't that just tell you that
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that's where they know that the money is not in
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: renewable wind farms.
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: Well, that's certainly. I mean, people have been calling the
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: end of fossil fuels for a long time now and
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: there's no easing really in the demand for them. The
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: problem that this causes, though, is it leaves a shoe
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: huge hole in the center of the federal government's aspirations
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: to have a carbon transition. A lot was predicated on
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: having first hydrogen and then offshore wind to replace col
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: as it exits the system, and the situation now is
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: hydrogen is not going to be a feasible prospect. Offshore
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: wind looks like it's going to follow suit, and so
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: that's where really there needs to be an alternative.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Oh look absolutely, now, look this week we also learned
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that one of the key transmission networks underpinning Victoria's transition
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to renewables, well that's been.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Delayed by two years.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: This is the V and I West project, which involves
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: about two hundred and forty kilometers of power cables between
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Victoria and New South Wales Grave. It was scheduled to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: be completed in twenty twenty eight, but this has now
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: been pushed.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Out by two years.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But look, labor, we know federally needs transmission lines. It
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: needs about I think it's about ten thousand killer meters
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: of it to reach its renewables goals. All the expense
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: mainly of farmers whose land is being raised by the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: poles but there are so many roadblocks. When are they
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: going to get serious here about keeping the lights on
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: in this country?
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: Well, this is the question that's sort of coming sharply
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: into focus. The delay in this transmission line is a
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: significant problem for the Victorian economy in South Australia, particularly
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: because it was supposed to join up these renewable energy
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: spaces and win projects to the north and be a
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: lifeline if you like, to New South Wales where they
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: still have a lot of coal generation that is no
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: longer going to be in place before the time that
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: the large coal fired generators in Victoria are supposed to close.
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: So the big question is do they have a replacement
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: or do they have to keep the coal open for longer.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Well, we know that there's been you know, the odd
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: coal project or the odd coal mine that they've had
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to stem the life on.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: It was at New South.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Wales because where they talk about this big bad energy resource.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: But right now we need that big.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Bad energy resource to keep to keep us going.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And that's the reality now. Look, I'm interested to get your.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Take Graham on Chris Bowen's apparent backflip on gas. He's
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: been demonizing gas for years, but has now announced a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: review into the sector and has said while we're one
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: of the world's biggest exporters, Australians are entitled to have
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: access to our domestic supplies. Graham, We've been worn for
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: years that we're running out of gas and why the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: sudden epiphany.
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: Well, it looks like the reality has finally dawned on
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: the federal government. The gas is going to be a
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: crucial part of the transition. There was probably an expectation
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: that hydrogen would fulfill some of that role, but that's
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: clearly not going to be the case. So now we're
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: having a process to see how there can be more
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: gas for the East Coast, with very little detail about
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: what will be done to increase domestic supply. There's an
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: i being cast at the high level of exports, and
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: there's fraught territory there because a lot of that gas
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: is contracted. And there's the discussion about a reserve policy,
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: but that will only apply to new projects, not existing one.
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: The hard work needs to be done in getting those
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: new processes into development, rather than trying to pinch it
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: off what is currently being sold to our closest and
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: dearest trading partners.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you hope that labor stops just talking about
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: it and actually puts it into practice, because we've been
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: warned that the East Coast could run out as early
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: as next year. Graham, it's just a disaster, Graham. Lloyd,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: nice to catch up with you. Thanks so much for
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: joining me on the show this evening. Really appreciate it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: While in the last twelve months, two men have been
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: charged with child sex abuse offenses allegedly committed at childcare centers,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the latest you recall in Melbourne this week. Now experts
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: are calling for urgent childcare reforms. But look, it beggars
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: belief that this is happening when so much money is
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: being pumped into the sector as it is.
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: About seventy percent of the funding that runs the center
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: comes from Australian taxpayers, comes from the Commonwealth government through
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: the Childcare subsidy. It's what makes these centers work and
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: if they're not working in the interest of our kids,
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: then we've got to have the power to be able
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: to cut that funding off.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Joining me now is child an adolescent psychologist Claire Row Claire,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: good to see you, Thank you so much for joining me.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: One of the experts today really struck me, and that
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: was a call for all men to be banned from
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: working in childcare centers, a complete blanket ban on men.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I do not agree with that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's particularly fair to say that every
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: man who works at a childcare center is a bad apple.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I think that is so far from the truth. But
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: what's your take on this?
• 29:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah, thanks Denie Kerr, And look, I don't want to
• 29:03
  Speaker 13: sugarcoat things, but obviously a lot of expletives and a
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: lot of strong language has been used about this issue
• 29:09
  Speaker 13: over the last week, and so it should be. There
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: is a growing push to bar men from working in early.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Education all together.
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: I think that that, in my opinion, is a dangerous distraction.
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: What we need to be doing is discussing how we're
• 29:24
  Speaker 13: going to build a system where this level of abuse
• 29:27
  Speaker 13: never happens again, and we are not reacting to the
• 29:31
  Speaker 13: damage that has already been caused. I think that good men, compassionate, nurturing,
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: professional men belong in early childhood education. The answer is
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: not banning a gender. It's building robust systems that make
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: abuse by anyone impossible to do. And I think some
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: of the reforms that have been put forward really just
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: make a lot of common sense. I don't think that
• 29:55
  Speaker 13: their government overreached. I think that they are protective of children.
• 29:59
  Speaker 13: Things like making the use of private mobile phones by
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: staff harder or impossible to use whilst they're on the job. Well,
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: there's many jobs while you can't use mobile phone. You
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: can't take a personal phone call right now, Danika in
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: your job. So I think that that's you know, to
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: make recording of children harder. This working with children's check
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: is a complete fast We need a complete national approach
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: to that. It is a state by state run system.
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: It is a one snapshot of a one day in time.
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: There is no communication between sectors.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I agree with you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: I think there's a lot more that we can do
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: to make a robust system before we start banning whole
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: genders from working in childhood education.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Look, I agree with you and that I just think
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it's baffling that they're only now, say, banning mobile phones
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: or banning the.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Use of cigarettes and vapes. Do you just think it
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: speaks for yourselves?
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But the question to come out of all of this
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: clear is why are the proper checks not in place
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: in the first places? So much money year in year
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: out being pumped into the sector, particularly from the States.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of it is state funded. It just got
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: to scratch your head. Why there weren't proper welfare checks
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: put in place from the beginning.
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I think part of it is just like
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: I said, I think it's a fragmented system. This working
• 31:19
  Speaker 13: with Children's Check has become this false reassurance for parents
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: and institutions. I mean, I think this is an industrial
• 31:26
  Speaker 13: relations issue. I mean, it's tick working with Children's Check.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: You're in.
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: But this case has laid there the absolute truth here.
• 31:35
  Speaker 13: It is not fail safe. It is a static snapshot
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: and not in a real time system. So you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 13: in Victoria, an individual under active police investigation can still
• 31:46
  Speaker 13: hold that clearance. So unless formal charges are laid, nothing
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: is flagged. And I think we need to look at that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: If you know you are under investigation, I think that
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: absolutely needs to come up on a national system before
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: you reach a courtroom. And we're talking about very vulnerable lives.
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: And I can't emphasize enough as people would appreciate as
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: a psychologist, the absolute lifelong trauma effects of abuse, but
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: of abuse in infancy. And we also now have thousands
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: of parents communities of Pearans who don't know who they
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: can trust with their children when they drop them off.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is really really concerning. And look, you
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: know this issue this week's shone a light on the sector.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: It clearly needed to happen. It's a shame it has happened,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: but hopefully some good reforms can come out of it. Cliot,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining me on the show
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: this evening.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it. We're coming up after the break.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: The US holds ships of some critical weapons to Ukraine.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: What does this mean for the war with Russia? Plus
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: analysis of Penniwong's trip to Washington. Former Foreign Minister Alexander
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Downer will join me next.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: While Ukraine has warned Russia will ramp up its attacks
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: following President Trump's to see to pause some shipments of
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: critical weapons, I mid a review of military spending. Joining
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: me now to discuss this and more is former Foreign
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Minister Alexander Downer.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much for joining me on the show.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Look, realistically, should Ukraine have been shocked by this decision
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: by Trump? I mean, Trump's been highly vocal and critical
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: of the war, but particularly the amount of money the
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: US has spent helping Ukraine. Surely Voladimya Zelenski could have
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: seen this coming.
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: Well, I don't think it's quite like that. I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: this all be much more of a decision by the
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: Pentagon itself, which has been endorsed, of course by President Trump,
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: because they appear to be running out of Patriarch missile systems,
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: in particular because you know they've been used to protect
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: Israel from Iran. They need them to protect Taiwan, so
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: there's need for them all around the world, and the
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: supply is starting to dry up a bit, So I
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: think there's going to be a slow down in the
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: sales of Patriots to the Ukrainians, and one or two
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: other items as well. I personally think it's unfortunate. It
• 34:11
  Speaker 14: would be good if maximum pressure could now be placed
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: on Russia. After the Trump administration has been so successful
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: in dealing with Iran, now is the time to rarely
• 34:24
  Speaker 14: ramp up the pressure on Russia. So I hope that
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: will happen, and this will just be a temporary, albeit
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: perhaps necessary pause in the supply of some military equipment.
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Look, fingers crossed that Trump can be that intermediary that
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: he has already, as you said, within the Middle East
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: conflict as well. Now I want to ask you about
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the Foreign Minister Pennywong. She's been unable to secure a
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: meeting between Anthony Albanezi and Donald Trump during her trip
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: to Washington, DC. Here's what she had to say this
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: morning on Sky News about the US Australia relationship.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: President Trump in envisages a very different role for America
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: in the world. I've been upfront about that, and we
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: respect that. That's what the American people voted for, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: so we have to navigate that, and we have to
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: think about what is it Australia brings to the US
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: and to the alliance in this context, and I think
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: we bring a great deal.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Is she right?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: How do you rate Labour's efforts in navigating this different
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: role as Pennywong speaks.
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: About, Well, I don't think she is right. I don't
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: think President Trump envisages a different role for the United States.
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: He's certainly much more robust than many of his predecessors
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: in articulating and pursuing the United States objectives. He's dealing
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: with a coalition of countries, a rough coalition of Russia, China, Iran,
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: and also one should include North Korea, and he's got
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: to put maximum pressure on those countries. He's proved hugely
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: successful in dealing with Iran alongside his ally, the Israelis.
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: In the case of Europe, he's got the Europeans to
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: increase very substantially they're spending on defense, because you know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: the United States shouldn't just be defending Europe. Europe should
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: be able to defend Europe as well. And as for
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: China and the Pacific, I think what Trump has done
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: in Iran is to send a very strong message to
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: China over Taiwan, don't mess with the United States. So
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: in that environment, I don't see that the United States
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: is withdrawing from the world or pulling back or penny
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: one catastrophizing about the Trump administration. On the contrary, I
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: think Australia has to understand that it needs to pull
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: its weight as an ally. Alliances are two West streets.
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: It's not just us begging the Americans for support. We
• 37:11
  Speaker 14: need to contribute to the alliance as well. So we
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: need to increase our defense spending and we need more
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: creative diplomacy, for example, in dealing with the Quad, which
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: is what Penny Wong has been in Washington doing so, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: we could do much better than we're doing at the moment.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you're a former Foreign ministry yourself. Realistically,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: what could Pennywong have done over there that Anthony Albanesi can't.
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: Well, she could have done two things. One is to
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: improve the operation of the Quad, the arrangement with the
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: United States, Japan and India to strengthen the Western Alliance,
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: in particular in the Indo Pacific region. And to do that,
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: meet GIZ means giving it a more defense oriented flavor,
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: for example, having defense ministers come to Quad meetings, having
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: joint military exercises and so on. So she should be
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: more creative in building a more successful Quad, which will
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: be a deterrent against Chinese aggression. Secondly, it is right.
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: I mean, it's an extraordinary thing that every head of
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: government in the world has had time with President Trump,
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: particularly all Alliance countries have had time with President Trump,
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: but not our own prime minister. It's becoming embarrassing. But
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: it goes to something which really depresses me, and that
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: is Australia is not a player any longer in the world.
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: Australia Australia, not the United States. Australia is withdrawing from
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: the world and it's sad to see because as historically
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: Australia has been such an active and creative country under
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: both coalition but also labor governments.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's a really good point.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: It is sad to see our country diminish so much
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: on the world stage. Alexander down and we have to
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: leave it there. Thank you very much for joining me
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: on the show this evening. Appreciate it. We'll stay with
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: us after the break. A group of climate activists plan
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to hold a training camp, would you believe ahead of
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: their annual attempt to block the world's largest coalport.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: And your polling suggests young ossies are deserting the coalition?
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: What more can be done?
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: That's next, Welcome back, let's bring in the panel. Now
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: joining me is the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair and Mark
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Nicholson from step Mates Studios.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Good to see you both. Thank you so much for
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: joining me.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Let's start with the climate activist group Rising Tide now,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: would you believe it? They are planning to hold a
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: three day action camp in August to train activists ahead
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: of their annual Newcastle Port blockade. The New South Wales
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: policem says the group has shown to have a downright
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: disregard for the lives of our police and harbor workers
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: and at beggars belief that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: They would be planning to train others.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: To do the same. Well, Tim, have you ever heard
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: of this? A three day activist training camp.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I am personally devastated that this is occurring in the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: middle of August. Will be away because I would have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: been there. I would have sprung for a ticket for
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Mark to get up to Sydney four It. It's these things.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I've been to a few of these sort of things
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and they are always hilarious. I'm just looking at going
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: through the list of events. One of them is how
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to practice solidarity. That's going to end in about fifteen
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: actions in about three seconds. That that's going to be
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a blur of hatred within a minute. And also, I
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone can miss this one. There's a zine
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: making corner with the Ecosocialist Reading Group.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Wow wow, I mean.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Wait for the tickets to that one. They'll sell that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: faster than the boxing day at the MCG.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that Isn't like, you know, get
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: your tickets ready in advance.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: This is a real big one, you know, Bark.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I always think with these activists, you know, they carry
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: on like pork chops. Now they're doing their training camp.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: If you get stranded out in the harbor on the ocean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I just think, leave them there, leave them there, let
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: them figure it out for themselves.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: That might be one of the workshops.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I think that's what the plan is,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that they're going to suck in and market towards all
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: these very vulnerable people to come on board, get trained
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: up and brainwashed, and then thrown into harm's way to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: help build up the name of this activist group. But Tim,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm shatt at to hear that you're you're going to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: be away, because I've already splurged out and bought a
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: couple of tickets for all us free.
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: I was going to go.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: I had to look at the itinery as well.
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: I thought.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I thought it was exciting.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: We had we had a whole bunch of stuff to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: do that We had pumpkin throwing, pumpkin soup throwing that
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: was fun.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: We had a gluing.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yourself to stuff workshop that was looking like it was
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: going to be the best sitting around a tesla late
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: at night, around the fire, you know, telling stories about
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: global boiling.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: It was going to be awesome. If you forgot Mark,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: You forgot Mark.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: We're all going to chain ourselves to cars in the
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: middle of the street. We're all going to sing Kumbaia.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what we're.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Going to do. It's going to be illustraining. Plan.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Well, you and I can still go, man, Yeah, no,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: see you, Tim, enjoy your prime board.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Mark and I are there exactly.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Now, look, let's move on because the Coalition is being
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: deserted by younger voters. According to a new poll by
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the red Bridge Group, when it comes to voters aged
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: eighteen to thirty four, only nineteen percent back the Coalition,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: compared to forty percent for Labor and twenty four.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Percent for the Greens. Tim, why do you think that
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: this is the case.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it's always been historically the case that conservative parties
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: have been perceived as daggy or dorky and just you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a bit just not with it with the kids, you know.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So the Coalition, sorry, the conservative parties in general are
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: always a bit behind the eight ball when it comes
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to the crucial youth vote. And you know, we're just
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: typically the Coalition and other conservative parties around the world,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: we just wait until they grow up. Oh you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: maybe there's another way around it, which I think we
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: saw we've seen the last decade in the US. If
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the youth, if the youngsters like being rebels, will make
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the conservative side of party of the rebels. Donald Trump
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: is one of the ultimate sort of disruptive, rebellious figures,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and his support among young Americans it's extremely high, a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: lot higher than a lot of people would have anticipated
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen and again last year. So maybe that's
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the way to go. And certainly there's no one I
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: can see in the Coalition who's got that kind of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: kind of youth drawing magnetism. Let's say no.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think obviously Donald Trump did so
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: well because and he went on all those podcasts as well,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: you recall, and that's how he got the youth on side,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: he got the mail vote on side.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Mark.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do agree with Tim that the Coalition's always
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: struggle to get the younger vote. But how crucial in
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: this day and age and this age of politics to
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: get younger people on board.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And but the thing is, as well as by listening
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to the youth, you're actually going to be going to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: get in touch with what the real problems are in
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: the country. Like one, I'm shattered by the way to
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: hear that I'm outside of the youth bracket. I'm a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: dinosaur at thirty eight, absolutely shattered. But I've got some
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I've got some younger ones working at step Made Studios,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and they're not radical lefties, that's the thing.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: They're not crazy.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: They want change, but they don't want anything ridiculous. They
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: just want something clear and coherent. They want to play
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: by the rules, they want to work hard, they want
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to have a fair go in a country that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: They love and that loves them back.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So I think that the actual mission for the coalition,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: for any conservative party is to really just sell that
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: sell the vision be clear, because I don't actually think
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens are really winning the youth vote.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: They might be winning the radical lefties, but I don't
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: actually think they're winning the youth because they're not actually
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: listening to the problems and selling them a coherent peace. Unfortunately,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: what I think this is going to transpire into is
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee doing a whole bunch of tiktoks. That's probably
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen, and they're going to try and
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: win the youth vote that way. It's going to suck
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and it's going to go really badly.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: But they might do what Labor did during the campaign
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: where they made all these little awkward memes and they
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: were just absolutely horrific. So let's hope that the Coalition
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: does not go down that pathway. Please spare us. Now, look,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: let's talk Cricket Australia. It seems we may have seen
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: the end of cricket matches on Australia Day. For a
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: second year in a row, Cricket Australia has decided not
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: to schedule a game on Australia Day. Here was Cricket
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Australia CEO Todd Greenberg today saying that well, no, it's
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: not a snub.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Have a listen.
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: Playing at the night before Australia was better value for
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: us and playing it on the night of Australia where
• 45:30
  Speaker 15: kids would then and families would then have to either
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: go back to work or in many places to go
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: back to school. But what I can assure you of
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: is that there's no concern about us playing on Australia
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: and if, if, and when that time comes, I'll be
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: very happy to talk to you about when we.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Do that, Tim Do we buy that excuse it's got
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with the day itself?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because obviously you know, the Big Bash Final is
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: just locked in on the twenty fifth and everything has
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to pivot around that. No, I don't buy it at
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: all because from August until March we've got something like
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: ninety days of cricket. Obviously there's some overlaps there, ninety
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: our days, prick, and they just couldn't have one game,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: not a women's game, not as one day, not a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: tea twenty nothing at all on Australia. That they really
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: not buying that at all, not one second.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I agree?
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I agree, and especially you know Cricket Australia has been
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: tying itself in knots mark for for so long when
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: it comes to sensitivity around the day, and then they
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: can't play the matches on this on Australia Day.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Don't you think it's all just woke nonsense?
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: Oh it is.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It's what they've been constantly. All all the codes are
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: doing it. They're all trying to inject because they think
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: that they injected politics into it, because they think that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that's that's what makes people go to the games and
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: be invested in the sport, is they're like, oh, that's great,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: that's aligns with my politics. It's the complete opposite everyone
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: else is that we just want we want politics out
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: of sport.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: We watch sport to get away from politics.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: And the thing with cricket Australia is if you refuse
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: to play cricket on Australia Days, it's on the tin
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: that's your name. If you're not to play cricket on
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Australia Day, what are you?
• 47:02
  Speaker 15: What's left?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in your name anymore. It makes no sense.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: It's un Australian and it's not cricket.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: It sucks.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: No, it's not cricket. It is our national day, it's
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: one of our national sports. Play it, enjoy it and
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: you know, stop the carry on. I say, now, look,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I've got to leave this to last. Dj Albow he's back,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: would you believe? And he's shared his votes for Triple
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: J's Hottest one hundred of Australian songs. Look, you might
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: be surprised. Some of the lists are some of his favorites.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Am I ever going to see your face again? The Angels,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Flame Trees by Cold Chisel, Ben's a Burning Midnight All
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Timmy couldn't help himself.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: He had to put Peter Garrett in, of course.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Well if he did. I mean, I did an experiment before.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I just typed into AI. You know, give us a
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: top ten Australian hits that might have come from a
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: political leader, and at least three of the songs were matching.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So it's just a generic, you know, AI generated stupid
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: list that you know, some junior staff has noted together.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Alba had a lot to do
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: No, dj Elbos just put his name to it, I
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: said earlier.
• 48:02
  Speaker 15: Mark.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I wonder if he's out there singing am
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I ever going to see your face again?
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: To Donald Trump? But I wonder what Trump's reply will be. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: we all know that.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: We all know the response back to that one. But yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: this is this is how you win the youth vote.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Apparently this is how you get it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: This is forty percent of the youth vote doing stuff
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: like this. Come on, that's what I mean. I don't think.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I think that this is not how you do it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: This is the meme equivalent. You've probably seen it, the
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Steve Buscemi one with the skateboard in the backwards hat,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: just walking up and going.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: How do you do fellow kids? I listened to music
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't understand.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It's just not even hitting the demographic, but he's also
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: making everyone else angry because he's not talking about the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: real issues.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: We've got to go.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Dj Elbo's back driving us nuts. Tim Blair, Mark Nicholson,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: thanks for joining me. That's what we've got time for.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Up next is Steve Price hosting Credline.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Good Night,