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Evil Genius: Elliot Roger couldn't get a date, so he goes on deadly shooting rampage in revenge · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two. A forty thousand dollar
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Speaker 1: BMW three hundred dollar or Moaney sunglasses. I guess he
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Speaker 1: didn't know you could get the same thing for a
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Speaker 1: dollar at the Dollar Tree, Flying first class. A private
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Speaker 1: concert of Katie Perry. Inside the privileged life of the
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Speaker 1: director of Hunger Games Son before he became an evil genius,
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Speaker 1: the so called Virgin Killer. I Meancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You know, uh,
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Speaker 1: let me first introduce my all star panel, Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: Southern California veteran prosecutor, high profile defense attorney out of
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Speaker 1: l A. Troy Slayton, Vincent Hill, private investigator, her renowned
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, author of Lions and Tigers and Terrorists. Oh
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Speaker 1: my doctor Carol Lieberman, Jackie Howard in the studio and
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Speaker 1: joining me from l A. Alan Duke. You know, Alan,
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Speaker 1: you and I grew up in the rural South. You
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Speaker 1: near Carrollton, Me in the middle of nowhere, really not
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Speaker 1: even a city outside of Making, Georgia. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know things like this existed. Three hundred dollar or money, sunglasses,
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Speaker 1: a forty thousand dollar car, a private Katy Perry concert.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Alan, I'm just thinking about how this this
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Speaker 1: guy's lifestyle. Just tell me one thing, Alan Duke, isn't
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Speaker 1: his dad, The Virgin Killer's dad one of the directors
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Speaker 1: on the smash hit movies Hunger Games, that whole series
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Speaker 1: where don't they fight about food and they have to
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Speaker 1: kill each other the children. Yes, his father was involved
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Speaker 1: in the as a director on that very big series.
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Speaker 1: I thought it would be too upsetting for the children
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Speaker 1: to see. Okay, so everybody laugh. But the children don't
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Speaker 1: know anything about hunger games yet. I thought it'd be
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Speaker 1: too difficult for them to see children killing each other
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Speaker 1: over food. So you know, the worst we ever get
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Speaker 1: is watching Poirot or Monk. Okay, that that's as rough
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Speaker 1: as he kids in our house. I just can't get
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Speaker 1: over this. How could a guy was so much privilege
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Speaker 1: become a prolific killer. Let's talk about this guy at first.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear the so called virgin killer,
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Speaker 1: Elliott Roger, pampered son of a Hollywood director, in his
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Speaker 1: own words, Elliott Roger. Here, I'm up in the hills
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Speaker 1: in Monticito right now. It's truly a beautiful day. But
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Speaker 1: as I've always said, a beautiful environment is the darkest
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Speaker 1: hell if you have to experience it all alone. And sadly,
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Speaker 1: I've been alone for a very long time. I've been
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Speaker 1: attending college in Santa Barbara for about two and a
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Speaker 1: half years now. In those two and a half years,
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Speaker 1: I've experienced nothing but loneliness and misery. And my problem
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Speaker 1: is girls. There are so many beautiful girls here but
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Speaker 1: none of them give me a chance. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know why. I don't know why you girls are so
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Speaker 1: repulsed by me. It doesn't make sense. I do everything
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Speaker 1: I can to appear attractive to you. I dress nice,
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Speaker 1: I'm sophisticated and magnificent. I have a nice car at BMW.
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Speaker 1: Well it's nicer than the people in my college. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know I'm polite, I am the ultimate gentleman. And
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Speaker 1: yet you girls you never give me a chance. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why. You know, I put a lot of
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Speaker 1: effort into dressing nice. These sunglasses here, we were three
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Georgio ARMANI So I'll put him on see
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Speaker 1: hold on card, see look at have fabulous Look. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time taking in when I've just
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Speaker 1: heard um, let me just open this up to Alan Do,
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Speaker 1: Dr Carroll, Lieberman, Vincent, he Old, Troy Slaton and Wendy Patrick, Wendy.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this guy's posts, okay, And I'm if
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Speaker 1: I if my husband ever got to fly first class.
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Speaker 1: And then he posted photos online of him being in
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Speaker 1: first class, of his meal and his wine and his croissants,
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Speaker 1: and a selfie of him sipping champagne and first class.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I swear I think I would divorce him,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, I really do. I'm not kidding. That ostentatious
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Speaker 1: show of um look or luxury is just it's very
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Speaker 1: irritating to me. And he wonders why girls don't like him.
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Speaker 1: I think I know, Yeah, Nancy, he learned the hard
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Speaker 1: way that money can't buy you love. It's what your
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Speaker 1: medical and psychological guests would call pathological narcissism. This idea
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Speaker 1: that showcasing the life of luxury that he was privileged
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Speaker 1: to lead somehow would translate into relational success. And obviously,
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Speaker 1: as a logical matter, we know that's not true. But
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Speaker 1: we also know that emotions are not logical, and that
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Speaker 1: was the downfall of Elliott Rogers. So, as you say,
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Speaker 1: this ostentatious lifestyle created in his mind unrealistic expectations of
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Speaker 1: a thriving social life that unfortunately he never had, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's certainly putting perfume on the pig, Wendy Patrick, because
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Speaker 1: not so much a social life. I think he wants
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Speaker 1: sex with girls, who wants them to admire him, to
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Speaker 1: adulate him, and to sleep with him. Um, you know, Troy,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. And this goes for
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Speaker 1: you too, Wendy. And I'm not asking you, Troy, to
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Speaker 1: divulge anything about your clients, but very often I think
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Speaker 1: part of the reason that I ever want a case
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Speaker 1: was because I was so interested, curious really and every
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Speaker 1: witness in their life, the defendant, what the defendant said,
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Speaker 1: the location. I could sit and listen to people seriously
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Speaker 1: for hours hours. That's why I'd be working the streets
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Speaker 1: till midnight putting a case together. Troy, here's my question.
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Speaker 1: I love listening to this guy in a weird way. Again,
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Speaker 1: It's like looking at a tarantula under a case. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm repulsed yet fascinated, and I want to hear his thinking.
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Speaker 1: I know we don't have to show motive, but I
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Speaker 1: want to hear what this guy what's going on in
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Speaker 1: his head? Are you ever like that with your clients
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Speaker 1: or witnesses? Like you just sit there, not of course
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Speaker 1: on the stand because you gotta keep it moving for
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Speaker 1: a jury, but just sit there while you're investigating case.
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Speaker 1: You just listen and look. And so many times I
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Speaker 1: just put down my notepad and just sit there and
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Speaker 1: listen listen, because it's unlike anything I've ever heard. Absolutely, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you want to hear every single thing that not only
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Speaker 1: your client has to say, but everything that every person
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Speaker 1: that they know, every witness, every potential witness has to say.
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Speaker 1: So that way, as a defense attorney, I know more
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Speaker 1: about the case than the investigating officers and the prosecutors. Certainly, well,
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Speaker 1: you're doing it. You're doing it for a very wise angle,
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Speaker 1: which is right. The more you investigate, the more you listen,
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Speaker 1: the more you know, the better prepared you are to
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Speaker 1: win your case. It's just just I guess it's the
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Speaker 1: fascination with the human psyche to Vincent Hill, private investigator. Vincent,
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Speaker 1: you've met my husband and my children. You know us
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Speaker 1: very well. The other day David Lynch, my husband. You know,
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Speaker 1: he's I'm gonna brag on him because he can't hear me.
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Speaker 1: All right. He's super brilliant in the business world. A
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Speaker 1: tiny bit socially awkward, but I find that endearing at times.
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Speaker 1: The other day he went, I've got a rip in
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Speaker 1: my pants. I'm like, you don't think you're buying any
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Speaker 1: pair of pants, do you? You are not until we
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Speaker 1: finished pay for these children's school and have their college
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Speaker 1: funds that away. We're wearing the same thing. He went, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you're right, and he agrees. He agrees. We've had our
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Speaker 1: shoes re sold so many times. I can't even count it,
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Speaker 1: because we want to. This guy is so obsessed with
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Speaker 1: money and status in his car and flying first class
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Speaker 1: is so off putting, Vincent. I find that quite off putting. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we all want the finer things in life,
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Speaker 1: but unfortunately all of us don't get the finer things
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Speaker 1: in life. And you know, I don't know really what
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Speaker 1: you mean about that, because I feel like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I've got my husband, I've still got my mom, I've
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Speaker 1: got the twins, were all healthy, we're happy, we have
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Speaker 1: a roof over our head. Yeah, I got Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm so blessed. The I would never drink
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Speaker 1: dr care liberman, what is it you're the shrink? What
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Speaker 1: is this fascination this guy has with showing off that
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Speaker 1: he's flying at first class? Insecurity? It is all of
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Speaker 1: the status. All of these items are to mask his
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Speaker 1: main feeling of insecurity. He's hoping that people, if the
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Speaker 1: girls especially see that he has a BMW and all
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Speaker 1: of the fancy sunglasses that they won't notice that he's nothing.
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Speaker 1: He feels so worthless inside that he uses all these
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Speaker 1: status symbols as a way to try to pretend that
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Speaker 1: he is worth something. So, Alan Do, I guess that
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Speaker 1: means the fact that I wear the same black running
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Speaker 1: tights and cowboy boots every single day. I guess that
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Speaker 1: means I'm secure and metally well. Good, good, good to hear,
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Speaker 1: Alan do you? Because now pronounced I'm on only healthy Okay,
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Speaker 1: Jackie and I can talk about that in a break
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Speaker 1: Right now, I want you to hear in his own
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Speaker 1: words with me, the so called virgin killer and remember
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Speaker 1: are as alan Do correctly pointed out, his dad is
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Speaker 1: one of the directors on the wildly popular Hunger Games
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Speaker 1: movie series. They live and they lap of luxury. But
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Speaker 1: guess what, he's miserable. I feel so invisible as I
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Speaker 1: walked through my college because none of the girls there
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Speaker 1: pay attention to me. I see so many beautiful blonde hair,
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Speaker 1: just so many beautiful blond haired girls walking around everywhere
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Speaker 1: in your revealing shorts, your cascading blonde hair, your pretty faces,
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Speaker 1: and I want one for a girlfriend. I'm want to
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Speaker 1: take a girl out on a date and prove to
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Speaker 1: her that I'm worthy. I want to feel that sense
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Speaker 1: of being worthy of a girl's love and affection. I'm
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Speaker 1: twenty two years old, and I've never had a girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: I'm still a virgin. I've never had the pleasure of
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Speaker 1: having sex with a girl, sleeping with a girl, kissing
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Speaker 1: a girl. I've never even held a girl's hand. Now
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Speaker 1: I don't even have a young girl's phone number in
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Speaker 1: my cell phone, and that's just such an injustice. Because
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Speaker 1: I'm so magnificent. I deserve girls much more than all
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Speaker 1: those slobs I see at my college who are somehow
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Speaker 1: able to walk around with beautiful girls. I mean, even
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Speaker 1: in the college town that I stay in during my semesters.
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Speaker 1: As I walk around like the common areas of those towns,
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Speaker 1: or the areas where all the college parties happen, I
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Speaker 1: see these obnoxious guys walking with beautiful girls, and that
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Speaker 1: kisses me off because I should be the one with
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Speaker 1: the girls. I mean, look at me, I'm gorgeous, but
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Speaker 1: you girls don't see it. I don't understand why you're
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Speaker 1: so repulsed by me. So to Dr Carol Lieberman, l
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Speaker 1: A forensic psychiatrist and author of Lions and Tigers and
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Speaker 1: Terrorists Oh My. You can find it on Amazon. Dr Carroll.
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Speaker 1: How does his it's like he's fascinated with women, yet
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Speaker 1: angry with women that they won't date him or sleep
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Speaker 1: with him. How does that transform? How does that manifest
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Speaker 1: in mass murder? Well, you know it's interesting, Um, he
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Speaker 1: actually wasn't a bad looking guy, and plus he has
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Speaker 1: all these kouterments and all that, but women must obviously
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Speaker 1: have picked up on how damaged he was psychologically. You
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Speaker 1: know that there was something really wrong with this guy
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Speaker 1: because just looking at him, you know, you wouldn't necessarily
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Speaker 1: he he he wouldn't seem less attractive, I mean in
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Speaker 1: all different ways than these other guys. But if they
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Speaker 1: sensed something wrong inside. And something wrong inside mainly came
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Speaker 1: from his parents divorce and his father remarrying a woman
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Speaker 1: who really didn't like him, wanted to get rid of
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Speaker 1: him and um and got his father to to not
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Speaker 1: really pay very much attention to him. One of the
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Speaker 1: most interesting things is the interview that his father did
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Speaker 1: um with on television with Barbara Walters afterwards, and that
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Speaker 1: you could see so the disconnect that his father had
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Speaker 1: towards his son. He was saying, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: this happened. Um, you know, I don't know how my
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Speaker 1: son wouldn't have killed all these people. I I don't
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Speaker 1: get that. And yet when you really look into their background,
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Speaker 1: it was so troubled for so many years, and and
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Speaker 1: his father really was ignoring him. I want to I
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Speaker 1: want to figure that out, Alan Deet. We always hear
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Speaker 1: killers somehow blame their parents. I mean from me on
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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. They lived in a Beverly Hills
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Speaker 1: mansion with the pool. He went to great schools. His
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Speaker 1: parents were sending him to college. I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: his father was a famous director. I've looked at pictures
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Speaker 1: of him, Elliott Roger on the red carpet with his dad,
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Speaker 1: But uh did how does that translate the dad working?
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Speaker 1: I mean, my dad worked on the railroad, like yours dad.
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Speaker 1: He's gone all the time. But I felt that he
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Speaker 1: was doing it to support us, just like my mom. Right. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is what made him very bitter, because yes, when
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Speaker 1: he came, when he was living in Los Angeles in
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Speaker 1: his younger days, he had this more luxury. But then
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Speaker 1: his parents split up when he was a kid, his
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Speaker 1: father went one way. He stayed mostly with his mother,
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Speaker 1: who didn't make a lot of money as a research
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Speaker 1: assistant for for films. Yeah. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: his father, Peter Roger, is a top Hollywood hancho. He
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Speaker 1: was a director on Hunger Games. His grandfather, George Roger,
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Speaker 1: was a legend in the world of photography and a
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Speaker 1: founding member of Magnum Photos. Now, his mom, Chien Roger,
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Speaker 1: a nurse from Malaysia. As Alan was telling you, the
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Speaker 1: dad and mom divorced and he married a French Moroccan
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Speaker 1: actress who stars in the French version of Real Housewives. Now, see,
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that Real Housewives were international. I
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Speaker 1: mean I knew they were in California and New York,
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Uh I guess there's one in Jerseys. I
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Speaker 1: had no idea they were all over the world. So
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Speaker 1: that's given me a tiny peek into the lifestyle. Alan
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Speaker 1: is talking about. How did this kid, Elliott Roger, who
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Speaker 1: brags about three hundred dollar Armani sunglasses and a forty
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Speaker 1: dollar BMW probably that Katy Perry concerts flying first class?
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Speaker 1: How does he end up being a mass murderer. Elliott
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Speaker 1: all has to come to this tomorrow. It's the day
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Speaker 1: of retribution, the day in which I will have my
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Speaker 1: revenge against humanity, against all of you. For the last
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Speaker 1: eight years of my life, ever since I've hit puberty,
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Speaker 1: I've been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection,
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Speaker 1: and unfulfilled desires, all because girls have never been attracted
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Speaker 1: to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love
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Speaker 1: to other men, but never to me. I'm twenty two
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Speaker 1: kissed a girl. I've been through college for two and
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Speaker 1: a virgin. Has been very tortuous. College is the time
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Speaker 1: when everyone experiences things such as sex and fun and pleasure.
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Speaker 1: In those years, I've had to rotten loneliness. It's not fair.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to mass killer, a so called evil
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Speaker 1: genius in his own words as Elliott Roger, the son
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Speaker 1: of Hunger Games, one of the directors his stepmother, the
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Speaker 1: had roles in Lovelace and Playing for Keeps. He ends
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Speaker 1: up murdering six people in Santa Barbara because he was
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Speaker 1: frustrated he was still a virgin. I want to go
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Speaker 1: to Alan Duke, who has been on the case from
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Speaker 1: the very beginning. How did the killings go down? Well?
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Speaker 1: After years of planning and the building anger and frustration.
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Speaker 1: He actually planned to do it at one time, but
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Speaker 1: broke his leg just before war and delayed it. But
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Speaker 1: then we get to May of fourteen and he starts
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Speaker 1: executing his plan. He lives in an apartment with three roommates,
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Speaker 1: people he didn't like and people he resented, so the
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Speaker 1: first thing he had to do in his mind was
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Speaker 1: take them out, his three roommates. After killing his roommates,
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Speaker 1: he drove his BMW to the Alpha Pie sorority house
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Speaker 1: at the University of California, Santa Barbara. There he banged
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Speaker 1: on the sorority door, expecting them to open it, but
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Speaker 1: they looked out and they said, no, we're not letting
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Speaker 1: him in. So he turned around, went down the sidewalk
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Speaker 1: and there were three young sorority members who were walking
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Speaker 1: up the side the sidewalk and he shot them, all
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Speaker 1: three of them. Take a listen to what an actual
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Speaker 1: survivor of this mass killer has to say. His face.
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Speaker 1: He smiles at me and just start shooting, like like
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Speaker 1: a smirky, grimacey smile. But it was a smile. He
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Speaker 1: was just he wanted to do this. He looked happy
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Speaker 1: about it. I honestly, first of all, it didn't seem real.
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Speaker 1: I thought, is this rubber bullets? And then I realized
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Speaker 1: I'm bleeding, I'm in pain. I had to call my mom.
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Speaker 1: I just told her I've been shot. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what happened. It's crazy, but I love you. I'm afraid
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. I love you so much, so much,
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Speaker 1: I love you so much. I'm angry that it happened
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Speaker 1: and that it does still happen. We need to change
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Speaker 1: this violence. How did he slip through the cracks? Shouldn't happen?
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Speaker 1: The question is how did he slipped through the cracks? Well,
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Speaker 1: apparently there were warning signs. International feed get him in
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Speaker 1: the group and trying to help him. He was really
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Speaker 1: really upset about why is the world so unfair to him?
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Speaker 1: And oh, I'm a good looking by and my girl's
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Speaker 1: flying for those ugly fat guys. Sometimes I don't want
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Speaker 1: to hang out with him because he's so depressing. He
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Speaker 1: never actually made me feel that there's a right fact.
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Speaker 1: Let me watching with a group of friends. It's called Chronicle.
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Speaker 1: After the movie, he told me that, oh, I want
24:23
Speaker 1: to dominate the world. Like well, the shooting was going on,
24:25
Speaker 1: I was in the bar with my friend. I saw
24:27
Speaker 1: a picture of his car, so I was really shocked.
24:31
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is Elias car. I started to see
24:36
Speaker 1: some news feedback on Facebook and I was totally shocked.
24:40
Speaker 1: I was disappointed. I think he's a really lonely guy.
24:43
Speaker 1: I mean, if he had received more love, then I
24:47
Speaker 1: don't think it will get that bad. That was Andy Khan,
24:50
Speaker 1: a friend of so called evil genius Elliott Roger. Now, Alan,
24:55
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about his mom having cops
24:58
Speaker 1: to a welfare check on her son the week before? Well,
25:01
Speaker 1: she was noticing on April twenty four that these videos
25:05
Speaker 1: that he was posting, and she was disturbed, so she
25:08
Speaker 1: called to Santa Barbara to ask the police to go
25:11
Speaker 1: and check on him. So, in fact, they did. Several
25:15
Speaker 1: cops knocked on his apartment door, and he thought that
25:19
Speaker 1: he thought he was found out, and but they never
25:22
Speaker 1: went in. They just talked to him briefly and decided, no,
25:25
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't seem suicidal. He seems okay. Because so
25:28
Speaker 1: he was able to bluff his way out of it,
25:30
Speaker 1: and they left him alone. And it was not long
25:33
Speaker 1: until he launched his massacre. This was actually two weeks
25:37
Speaker 1: before then. Wow. The attack we're talking about um often
25:41
Speaker 1: called the Ila Vista murders, began when Elliott Rogers stabs
25:47
Speaker 1: three guys to death in his apartment. They were his roommates.
25:50
Speaker 1: Then he drives to a sorority house. She's three female
25:54
Speaker 1: students outside. Then he drives past to Delhi and she's
25:59
Speaker 1: another man else student to death inside. He begins speeding
26:03
Speaker 1: through the town, shooting and wounding pedestrians, striking other people
26:08
Speaker 1: with his car. He exchanges gunfire with police during all
26:12
Speaker 1: of this. It goes on. Take a listen to one
26:17
Speaker 1: of the victims, father, Richard Martinez. He's our only child.
26:22
Speaker 1: I'm sixty one years old. Now I'll never happen to
26:27
Speaker 1: the child. He's gone. So the reason I'm doing this
26:36
Speaker 1: right now just to try to see if you take
26:40
Speaker 1: my son's death means something, because that's all we've got.
26:46
Speaker 1: He was our tild the nice, uh and tough. If
26:52
Speaker 1: there's all these things in the meta about the shooter
26:57
Speaker 1: and there's nothing about the victims, then it sends the
27:00
Speaker 1: wrong message, and that people need to understand that real
27:06
Speaker 1: people died here and they need to know put faces
27:10
Speaker 1: and names and histories to the people people who died
27:15
Speaker 1: to make it real for them. We're all proud to
27:18
Speaker 1: be Americans. But what kind of message does it send
27:21
Speaker 1: too the world when we have such a such a
27:26
Speaker 1: such a rudderless bunch of idiots in government. I can't
27:33
Speaker 1: tell you how angry I am. It's just awful. And
27:39
Speaker 1: no parents should have to go through this, no parent
27:43
Speaker 1: to have a kid die because in this kind of
27:47
Speaker 1: a situation, wh what has changed? Have we learned? Nothing?
27:53
Speaker 1: These things are going to continue until somebody does something.
27:57
Speaker 1: So where the hell is? It's these people we elected
28:00
Speaker 1: Congress and we spend so much money on These people
28:02
Speaker 1: are getting rich sitting in Congress, and what do they do?
28:05
Speaker 1: They don't take care of our kids. My kid died.
28:08
Speaker 1: Beg Nutty responded to what occurred at Sandy Hook. Those
28:11
Speaker 1: Paris lost little kids. It's bad enough that I lost
28:15
Speaker 1: my twenty year old, but I had twenty years with
28:17
Speaker 1: my son. That's all I have. But does need the
28:21
Speaker 1: lost too? It at six and seven years old? How
28:24
Speaker 1: do you think, David listen to them now? Who's doing
28:28
Speaker 1: anything for them? Now? To high profile l A defense
28:32
Speaker 1: layer Troy Slayton and Wendy Patrick California prosecutor, Troy, I
28:38
Speaker 1: know that that is so hard to hear. That is
28:43
Speaker 1: the father of Christopher Michael's Martinez, one of the six
28:48
Speaker 1: students murdered. That is happening across the country every single day.
28:55
Speaker 1: The heartbreak is raw and it it hurts to hear
29:00
Speaker 1: or it, but that is the wake of pain that
29:04
Speaker 1: crime leaves in the aftermath. And Troy, how do you
29:10
Speaker 1: keep going to court? Of course you're on the other
29:12
Speaker 1: side of the fence from me, as I'm a prosecutor minded,
29:16
Speaker 1: but we hear the same thing. Do you numb yourself?
29:21
Speaker 1: Do you try to put it out of your mind
29:23
Speaker 1: when you leave the courtroom? How do you deal with
29:26
Speaker 1: hearing that all the time? That type of suffering can
29:33
Speaker 1: never get out of your mind and you can never
29:35
Speaker 1: numb yourself to the horrible hurt that crime victims all
29:42
Speaker 1: across the country feel. When I'm in court, I'm focused
29:46
Speaker 1: and concentrating on the constitution and making sure that the
29:52
Speaker 1: process is done correctly, that everybody, especially the prosecutors, the
29:59
Speaker 1: police in the court, are following the law. And if
30:05
Speaker 1: my client does suffer a conviction, I want to make
30:08
Speaker 1: sure that it was done by the book, that all
30:13
Speaker 1: the rules were followed, and that the government didn't cut
30:15
Speaker 1: corners and cheat in order to security. So you take
30:20
Speaker 1: the focus off the emotion and focus on the constitution
30:27
Speaker 1: and how to use the constitution as you should to
30:30
Speaker 1: protect your client. Wendy Patrick with me, California prosecutor. I
30:36
Speaker 1: always had a very very hard time um not being
30:40
Speaker 1: too emotional. I just really could not remove my emotions
30:46
Speaker 1: from the cases because I would be so involved with
30:49
Speaker 1: the victims and their families and the witnesses that I
30:53
Speaker 1: don't know how you can turn a blind eye or
30:55
Speaker 1: a deaf ear to it. I mean, Wendy, one of
30:59
Speaker 1: these victims, six slang victims, many men. The others injured.
31:06
Speaker 1: The Wi and Wang suffered a total of fifteen stab
31:10
Speaker 1: wounds and twenty three incision wounds to the head. Neck, chest, back,
31:16
Speaker 1: both arms and hands. Chang suffered twenty five stab wounds.
31:21
Speaker 1: George Chen suffered ninety four stab wounds, eleven incision wounds.
31:27
Speaker 1: Katherine Cooper, one of the young girls, was shot eight times,
31:32
Speaker 1: including once in the left side of the head. Veronica
31:34
Speaker 1: Wise seven times, Christopher Michael Martinez shot once in the chest.
31:40
Speaker 1: I mean the degree the level of violence, Wendy Patrick
31:46
Speaker 1: is he didn't just shoot them, He killed them twenty times,
31:51
Speaker 1: over right, Nancy. And you know that's exactly what he
31:53
Speaker 1: said he was going to do online. And part of
31:55
Speaker 1: the part of the challenge of being a good prosecutor
31:58
Speaker 1: is maintaining that level of objectivity that you mentioned precludes
32:03
Speaker 1: the risk where I should say never really precludes it,
32:05
Speaker 1: but reduces the chances of becoming so emotionally involved in
32:09
Speaker 1: the details of the criminality that you're not able to
32:13
Speaker 1: fairly judge the case. And that's why we we look
32:16
Speaker 1: at what are the jury instructions, say we have to
32:18
Speaker 1: prove what are the elements? But you're right noticing all
32:21
Speaker 1: of those little details. It's true you don't have to
32:24
Speaker 1: prove motive, but it's always at least a clearer picture
32:27
Speaker 1: for the try or effact if you can, and Elliott Roger,
32:30
Speaker 1: in his own words, let us know exactly why he
32:34
Speaker 1: did what he did. But Vincent Hill, private investigator, looking back,
32:38
Speaker 1: people say there were red flags to his murder spree,
32:43
Speaker 1: but I don't know that. I don't know that there were. Yes,
32:47
Speaker 1: he whined all the time, but a lot of people
32:51
Speaker 1: whine all the time. Yes he ignored his blessings and
32:54
Speaker 1: focused on his perceived problems, but I don't really see
32:58
Speaker 1: that as a red flag. A lot of people are
33:00
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, that's just it. And you know, the
33:02
Speaker 1: police went and talked to this guy, and they saw
33:04
Speaker 1: those signs of anything that they could have made an
33:07
Speaker 1: arrest or committed him to a mental health facility. So yeah,
33:11
Speaker 1: everyone complains, you know, everyone's rejected. Everyone wants a girlfriend.
33:16
Speaker 1: I'm single, I want a girl print, But that doesn't
33:18
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that the police would be able to come
33:21
Speaker 1: in and arrest me for that or commit me to
33:23
Speaker 1: a mental health facility. I hear you, Vincent Hill. There
33:27
Speaker 1: are some earlier incidents. To Dr Carol Lieberman l a
33:30
Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist and author, back in uh the previous July,
33:36
Speaker 1: he followed a couple that he was jealous of out
33:39
Speaker 1: of a Starbucks and threw coffee on them, just through
33:43
Speaker 1: coffee on them. In a later instant, he threw coffee
33:46
Speaker 1: on two girls sitting at a bus stop for not
33:49
Speaker 1: smiling at him. Then he bought a super soaker. Are
33:54
Speaker 1: you familiar with those that twins play with him? Whenever
33:57
Speaker 1: we go to a pool and he feels it with
33:59
Speaker 1: or juice and sprays the group playing kickball at a
34:04
Speaker 1: park and I just find that very odd. He shoved
34:10
Speaker 1: girls at a party over a ten feet ledge after
34:14
Speaker 1: being mocked by them. Uh, he felt he tried to
34:20
Speaker 1: shove them over, he failed and other boys pushed him
34:22
Speaker 1: over and said instead, and he said he was angry
34:26
Speaker 1: about that. A neighbor saw him come home crying. And interesting.
34:34
Speaker 1: I mean, you see all of these incidents that we
34:38
Speaker 1: now know about, but Dr Carrol Lieberman, what do they
34:42
Speaker 1: amount to? I don't think there's anything for police to
34:44
Speaker 1: have acted on. Well, the problem is that no one
34:47
Speaker 1: was really paying attention to him. I mean all of
34:50
Speaker 1: these things were red flags, and um, you know when
34:53
Speaker 1: the police came to his door and you know, decided
34:56
Speaker 1: that he was fine, they didn't even look around his
34:58
Speaker 1: apartment he had the gun in his bedroom. Um, you
35:02
Speaker 1: know that was that was his parents or his family
35:05
Speaker 1: doing too little, too late. And it kind of reminds
35:08
Speaker 1: me of Nicholas Cruz where the police came to his
35:11
Speaker 1: house a number of times and they never they never
35:14
Speaker 1: arrested him, and they never committed him involuntarily to a
35:18
Speaker 1: psych hospital. So there were these were things, and you know,
35:21
Speaker 1: he didn't really make a secret of it, Like his
35:23
Speaker 1: mother finally saw these things online. He was writing all
35:26
Speaker 1: kinds of things online, posting. There were emails between him
35:30
Speaker 1: and his father. Um, you know, it really wasn't so
35:33
Speaker 1: much of a secret. It was that you just had
35:35
Speaker 1: a look and you had to keep paying attention. And
35:38
Speaker 1: I guess worst of all, Uh, he was in therapy
35:42
Speaker 1: at different times in his life, and the therapist apparently didn't, um,
35:47
Speaker 1: you know, warn anybody or or he They did at
35:50
Speaker 1: least one wanted to prescribe some anti psychotic medication and
35:53
Speaker 1: he refused to take it. Well, you know whatever. It's
35:57
Speaker 1: not clear how old he was at the time, but
36:00
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a caring parent, you make your
36:02
Speaker 1: child take medication that you certainly realize there are problems
36:06
Speaker 1: with the child. And then if a psychiatrist says to
36:08
Speaker 1: take medication, you you you encourage him or make him
36:13
Speaker 1: take it. So there were all these steps along the
36:15
Speaker 1: way where he could have been stopped. You know, I
36:18
Speaker 1: was looking at the manifesto, Alan do you who has
36:20
Speaker 1: been on the story from the very very beginning. He
36:24
Speaker 1: is also angry at one point that black guy managed
36:28
Speaker 1: to get a girlfriend and not him. He says, quote,
36:32
Speaker 1: I'm beautiful, I'm half white, and I'm descended from British aristocracy.
36:38
Speaker 1: And he's angry because somebody of a different race has
36:41
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. It's clearly, clearly he's got a very big
36:49
Speaker 1: misunderstanding of humanity. He also goes on to talk about
36:54
Speaker 1: how he had planned to kill his half sibling, his
36:57
Speaker 1: half brother and stepmother. Yeah, he resented his his half brother,
37:02
Speaker 1: who was the the child of the actress, the Moroccan actress.
37:06
Speaker 1: His his dad actually introduced him to one of his
37:08
Speaker 1: friends who was a screenwriter. And this is very Hollywood here.
37:12
Speaker 1: Del Lawner was the writer of the movie Blind Date, Love,
37:16
Speaker 1: Potion Number nine and Ruthless People. He actually hooked them
37:19
Speaker 1: up and Lawner was giving him advice on how to
37:23
Speaker 1: get a girlfriend. That was the the advice that his
37:27
Speaker 1: dad gave him, but it didn't work. And in fact,
37:31
Speaker 1: in that manifesto, that diary that he wrote called My
37:35
Speaker 1: Twisted World, he says, uh that there's no way that
37:39
Speaker 1: that advice would help him, unless that they could hypnotize
37:44
Speaker 1: or change the minds of women, because women just do
37:46
Speaker 1: not like me. Every night I'm got to sleep, I
37:51
Speaker 1: wake up and I think of those young men, young
37:57
Speaker 1: women that have died, are terrorized, and my son did that.
38:06
Speaker 1: Mysa paused so much pain and suffering for so many families.
38:13
Speaker 1: It's like a reverse nightmare situation when you go to
38:16
Speaker 1: sleep normally you have a nightmare, and you wake up
38:19
Speaker 1: and oh, everything's okay. Now I go to sleep, I
38:22
Speaker 1: might have a nice dream, and then I wake up
38:25
Speaker 1: and then slowly the truth of what happened dawns on
38:29
Speaker 1: me and in my my son was a mass murderer.
38:33
Speaker 1: There's no way I thought that this boy could even
38:36
Speaker 1: could hurt the fleet. I mean, this is this is
38:39
Speaker 1: the most unbelievable thing. What I don't get is we
38:43
Speaker 1: didn't see this coming at all. This is the American
38:48
Speaker 1: horror story, or the world's horror story. To have somebody
38:52
Speaker 1: who on the outside is one thing and on the
38:55
Speaker 1: inside is something completely different and you don't see it.
39:01
Speaker 1: That was the father of the so called Virgin killer,
39:04
Speaker 1: Elliott Rogers to Wendy Patrick, Troy Slayton, Vincent Hill, Dr
39:09
Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman, and Alan Jackie Howard, you know, to Wendy Patrick.
39:16
Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if there are other victims we
39:20
Speaker 1: don't know about, not part of that day of violence.
39:25
Speaker 1: But now that I know about him following a couple
39:28
Speaker 1: lot of Starbucks and throwing coffee because he was jealous
39:31
Speaker 1: of them, or trying to push a group of girls
39:34
Speaker 1: over a allege at a party, or throwing coffee on
39:39
Speaker 1: two girls that didn't smile back at him, it makes
39:43
Speaker 1: me wonder if there are other incidents in his background
39:47
Speaker 1: that we have not connected to him exactly. Nath Nancy,
39:50
Speaker 1: you know what he's doing you talk about a pathway
39:52
Speaker 1: to violence, is he's testing the waters. He's practicing. He
39:55
Speaker 1: begins with the grievance which he's expressed for the world
39:58
Speaker 1: to see apparently for years online. Now he's taking it
40:02
Speaker 1: to the next level. He's stepping up his game. He's
40:04
Speaker 1: actually engaging in physical activity directed towards others, and from
40:09
Speaker 1: there we see some of the same type of threat assessments,
40:15
Speaker 1: exhibitionist activity if you will, that he continues to prey
40:19
Speaker 1: upon others, not so much in a sense where he's
40:22
Speaker 1: become violent, but he's headed in that direction, as evidenced
40:25
Speaker 1: by the incident you just explained. So when you say
40:28
Speaker 1: there's no red flags, if we look back through enough
40:31
Speaker 1: the years of his life, we can see a slow
40:34
Speaker 1: but steady progression of these incidents that sadly ultimately culminated
40:39
Speaker 1: in him acting out as he said he would in
40:41
Speaker 1: the most recent videos he posted online. I still do
40:45
Speaker 1: not see evidence of legal insanity, Alan Duke, What about
40:51
Speaker 1: the fact that their whole life was fake? And it was.
40:56
Speaker 1: It started out with some luxury, but then there was
40:59
Speaker 1: a vorce and then the father made a business decision
41:03
Speaker 1: as a filmmaker. He wanted to make this documentary titled
41:08
Speaker 1: and can I say this? Oh My God? That was
41:12
Speaker 1: actually the title of the movie. And it bombed. It
41:15
Speaker 1: was a documentary and it was expensive. He lost a fortune.
41:19
Speaker 1: Child support papers show that he was not able to
41:22
Speaker 1: make his child support payments because of that. Elliott was
41:27
Speaker 1: very upset about that and the fact that his mother,
41:30
Speaker 1: who was a nurse, had taken a lower paying job
41:32
Speaker 1: as a research assistant for film process So let me understand.
41:36
Speaker 1: You're telling me that there fancy home in Beverly Hills,
41:44
Speaker 1: they had to move, that they got a lower paying job,
41:51
Speaker 1: and it's my understanding. He blamed his quote damnable mother
41:56
Speaker 1: for not marrying a rich man. Despite designer clothes being
42:02
Speaker 1: w the el vis to shooting per Elliott Rogers, wealthy
42:10
Speaker 1: surroundings were diminishing. His father, director went in debt. The
42:19
Speaker 1: mom took a job as a research assistant for a
42:22
Speaker 1: film company. And you're learning this from what their divorced documents.
42:28
Speaker 1: He wrote this in his My Twisted World hundred and
42:31
Speaker 1: seven thousand word story, the diary that he kept over
42:35
Speaker 1: several years. But also divorce papers support that too, so
42:40
Speaker 1: he's still they still had all their rich friends, so
42:42
Speaker 1: they would get tickets to, for instance, the Katie Perry concert,
42:47
Speaker 1: and he writes, quote, I tried to pretend as if
42:50
Speaker 1: I was part of a wealthy family. I should be.
42:55
Speaker 1: That was the life I was meant to live, I
42:59
Speaker 1: would be, And he blamed his parents for his lack
43:03
Speaker 1: of money. He was angry at his mom to doctor
43:07
Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman, Allen is right. She started dating wealthy men
43:11
Speaker 1: after she and the dad were divorced, which gave the
43:15
Speaker 1: son to shoot her hope, and he began to beg
43:20
Speaker 1: her to marry one of the rich guys. He says,
43:24
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting, I will always resent my mother for
43:27
Speaker 1: refusing to do this. If not for her sake, she
43:30
Speaker 1: should have done it for mine. Joining a family of
43:33
Speaker 1: great wealth would have truly saved my life. I would
43:37
Speaker 1: have had a high enough status to attract beautiful girlfriends
43:41
Speaker 1: and live above all of my enemies. What is that,
43:46
Speaker 1: doctor Carol Lieberman. Well, he's feeling kind of desperate and
43:49
Speaker 1: feeling like he needs this to to get girls to love,
43:52
Speaker 1: to love him, and to have sex with him, primarily. Um.
43:55
Speaker 1: What's so interesting is that he's displacing his rage towards
43:59
Speaker 1: his bio logical mother, the woman he wants to have
44:02
Speaker 1: to marry a rich man, and towards his stepmother who
44:06
Speaker 1: alienated his father from him, and his his anger towards
44:11
Speaker 1: these women, I mean, besides the fact that they wouldn't
44:13
Speaker 1: have sex with him or go out with him, he
44:14
Speaker 1: was also getting back and his mother and his stepmother
44:18
Speaker 1: by killing them. Well, it is his own mother was
44:23
Speaker 1: working so hard, but she was very generous to him.
44:28
Speaker 1: She was paying his rent and gave him the BMW
44:33
Speaker 1: that allowed him to live in that community and basically
44:39
Speaker 1: show off. Then how alan do you did he afford
44:42
Speaker 1: to buy three handguns because they gave him an allowance
44:45
Speaker 1: of several hundred dollars that he put away for years
44:48
Speaker 1: because he was planning this. Not only the handguns, but
44:52
Speaker 1: his final plan before killing people was if he could
44:57
Speaker 1: win the powerball lottery, all of his troubles would be done.
45:02
Speaker 1: So he would drive He would drive hundreds of miles
45:05
Speaker 1: to Nevada across the border in order to buy lottery tickets.
45:09
Speaker 1: And it was finally after he exhausted thousands of dollars
45:12
Speaker 1: doing that four trips to buy them, that he decided
45:16
Speaker 1: that he was not going to be a wealthy man
45:18
Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to be another Mark Zuckerberg because
45:21
Speaker 1: he couldn't invent something, so he had to kill What
45:24
Speaker 1: about that? To Vincent Hill, private investigator, how do you
45:26
Speaker 1: go about tracking that someone was trying to play California's
45:31
Speaker 1: Mega Millions lottery whenever the jack would rise like about
45:35
Speaker 1: a hundred million. How do you track him? He would
45:39
Speaker 1: actually drive to Arizona multiple times to buy paraball lottery chances,
45:44
Speaker 1: and then he would go into a rage whenever he
45:47
Speaker 1: didn't rent win, which was every time, of course, how
45:50
Speaker 1: do you go about tracking those movements? Yeah, it's it's
45:53
Speaker 1: very difficult, Nancy. First you'd have to be tipped off
45:55
Speaker 1: to anything that he may be up to. Then you
45:59
Speaker 1: may have to get a supe to look at credit
46:01
Speaker 1: card receipts for gas, anything like that, veal surveillance, all
46:06
Speaker 1: of that. It's very painstaking. But first you have to
46:09
Speaker 1: be tipped off that this person is planning something or
46:12
Speaker 1: up to no good. You know, he's been described as
46:15
Speaker 1: an evil genius. But Troy Slayton, when you look at
46:19
Speaker 1: what he's saying, he he says, I had no talents.
46:23
Speaker 1: It was impossible for me to become a professional actor,
46:25
Speaker 1: musician or athlete. I mean the idea of just working,
46:31
Speaker 1: working for a living and saving your money and living
46:39
Speaker 1: a normal life, I guess I would call it. Did that?
46:44
Speaker 1: How does that escape someone that is actually so intelligent?
46:47
Speaker 1: Did it ever occur to him he could actually work
46:50
Speaker 1: for a living? I mean, how many crimes are connected
46:53
Speaker 1: to people. They just don't want to work, They don't
46:56
Speaker 1: want to punch a clock, they don't want to show up,
46:59
Speaker 1: they want easy money. Well, I think that your other
47:02
Speaker 1: guests phrased it really well. This was a young man
47:08
Speaker 1: who was dealing with a psychosis. This is not something
47:12
Speaker 1: that a normal person does. He they wanted to put
47:15
Speaker 1: him on antipsychotic medications. That means he displayed such emotions,
47:22
Speaker 1: He displayed such an affect that those around him wanted
47:27
Speaker 1: to medicate him. And there were some reports that he
47:30
Speaker 1: did receive some counseling and medications at some point. So
47:36
Speaker 1: this is not somebody who had a normal brain chemistry.
47:40
Speaker 1: And whether or not that would rise to the level
47:43
Speaker 1: of insanity and court uh, I'm not sure, but it's
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Speaker 1: a very good possibility to Wendy patcheck. You know what,
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Speaker 1: if you go along, you can see all these pictures
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Speaker 1: that people post of I mean, have you ever looked
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Speaker 1: at rich kids of Instagram? I mean really? Uh? Or
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Speaker 1: people online like laying on the bed full of money
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Speaker 1: and it's like get rich or die, and they've got
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Speaker 1: guns and money. Everybody wants, not everybody, but there is
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Speaker 1: a group in our world that wants quick money, easy
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Speaker 1: without working for it, and the way to do that
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Speaker 1: is through crime. This love of money, not money the
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Speaker 1: root of evil, But the love of money is a
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Speaker 1: root of evil, Wendy, I mean you've got to see
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Speaker 1: it all the time. Oh, absolutely, And I think everybody
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Speaker 1: sees it all the time when you really think it through.
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Speaker 1: There are some philanthropists that are generous with their money.
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Speaker 1: They understand that the best things in life are free,
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Speaker 1: and they live accordingly. But you're also correct that, gosh,
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Speaker 1: one glance on Instagram will also show you that showing
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Speaker 1: off wealth is seeing as a status symbol, and to
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Speaker 1: somebody like Elliott Roger who had a taste of wealth
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Speaker 1: but never knew the other Sadly, although it looks like
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Speaker 1: he did grow up with loving parents, you're right that
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Speaker 1: mental issues certainly complicate the analysis of did he know
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Speaker 1: what he was doing? But when you look at his
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Speaker 1: intelligence level, you understand he clearly knew right from wrong.
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Speaker 1: But the entitlement mentality that he exhibited one out and
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Speaker 1: caused the behavior, sadly that ended the lives of so many.
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Speaker 1: And take a listen to the devil in his own words,
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Speaker 1: you girls have never been attracted to me. I don't
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Speaker 1: know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I
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Speaker 1: will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,
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Speaker 1: because I don't know what you don't see in me.
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Speaker 1: I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves and
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Speaker 1: all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.
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Speaker 1: I will punish all of you for it. The victims
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