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This is Our Palm Sunday · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: We got the holiday coming up, so my kids will have a three-day weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: In my one daughter's case, a four-day weekend.
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SPEAKER_01: My kids have kind of had a half week this week because they're in a...
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SPEAKER_01: So we do like a homeschool online split.
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SPEAKER_01: And half their classes are just generic Christian.
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SPEAKER_01: And then half their classes are Orthodox.
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SPEAKER_01: So the generic Christian classes are off this week.
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SPEAKER_01: And next week, Orthodox classes are off.
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SPEAKER_00: For the proper Easter.
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SPEAKER_00: For the weird...
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SPEAKER_00: For the weird moon-based Easter, yeah, Orthodox one.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it was good enough to calculate that way for Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: It's good enough for us.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think so, but, you know, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: You guys are happy, and that's what's important.
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SPEAKER_01: Legitimately, if Jesus did it, we do it.
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SPEAKER_01: We are traditionalists.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter that the other calendar is more precise.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you know what a shoe is?
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SPEAKER_01: We calculate.
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SPEAKER_01: Often, I don't.
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SPEAKER_00: You exclusively wear sandals.
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SPEAKER_01: You thought you had some, like, got me there.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I like to go barefoot.
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SPEAKER_01: So sue me.
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SPEAKER_00: I have, with my own eyes, seen you in boots and closed-toed shoes.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, your whole narrative is falling apart.
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SPEAKER_01: You saw me in a hotel.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to be walking around a hotel barefoot.
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SPEAKER_01: That's just fair.
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SPEAKER_00: You know who walked around places he stayed barefoot?
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Do you know who walked around places he stayed wearing nothing
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but sandals?
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: That's who.
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SPEAKER_01: Just stop.
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I also don't think that Jesus was flying a plane to other
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locations in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: They did not.
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SPEAKER_00: At least not biblically.
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SPEAKER_01: For things like calculating dates, there are reasons we use that.
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SPEAKER_00: So...
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SPEAKER_00: Jesus did come to America to preach to the natives, I believe.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, Joseph Smith.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she left me alone.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So I guess I'm doing this by myself now.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll have to figure out what I want to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, she's back.
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SPEAKER_00: I was going to start riffing.
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SPEAKER_00: That was my plan there.
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SPEAKER_00: And now your feed's dead to me.
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SPEAKER_00: This is turning.
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SPEAKER_00: This whole recording isn't working.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: We're good.
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SPEAKER_01: We're good.
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SPEAKER_01: We're good.
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SPEAKER_01: No, we're good.
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SPEAKER_01: We're good.
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SPEAKER_01: I promise.
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SPEAKER_01: Sorry for that.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: I realized why I sounded tinny.
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It's because my computer was pulling from my phone's audio,
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which was in my pocket.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that would do it.
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I'm actually surprised that the audio sounded as good as it did
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under those circumstances.
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SPEAKER_01: No, seriously.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like...
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SPEAKER_01: Pulling from my phone in my pocket.
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SPEAKER_01: So I had to turn off that microphone, which booted me out of the room.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're all back.
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SPEAKER_01: We are good.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back.
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We're going to fight through the fact that the internet seems
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laggy again.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, your internet's a mess right now.
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SPEAKER_00: You're all pixelated.
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I don't know if we're even going to be able to use this,
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to be perfectly honest.
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SPEAKER_01: We are.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to be great.
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SPEAKER_01: I promise.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to be fine.
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SPEAKER_00: So we don't have a list today of things to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: We opened up talking about,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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breaks and weird moon-based calculations on Easter and the
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teachings of Joseph
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SPEAKER_00: Smith.
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SPEAKER_01: And it is not going to be my Easter this weekend.
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This is one of the years I get to use my favorite GIF over and
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over again.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the Simpsons,
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one of the Greek Orthodox priests standing in front of the
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Greek Orthodox Church.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's like, this is not our Easter.
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SPEAKER_01: This is our Palm Sunday.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: my daughter has signed herself up to go to,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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mass three days in a row this weekend for because she is doing
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various altar survey
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SPEAKER_00: things,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: So.
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SPEAKER_01: That sounds standard for us.
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SPEAKER_01: I will start going to church from Saturday until next Monday.
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SPEAKER_01: I will go to church sometimes twice a day, but at least every day.
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SPEAKER_00: Crazy old Orthodox.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just got to be difficult.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we have beliefs and we stick to them.
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SPEAKER_01: We believe in things.
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They might not be things you think are rational,
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like calendars,
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but we do have function.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of interesting woo thrown in there for my liking, as you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: You're so Protestant-y, I can't.
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SPEAKER_00: I am.
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SPEAKER_00: Unabashedly.
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I'll go to church once in a while when it fits me,
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when I think it suits me.
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SPEAKER_00: The so what are we talking about today?
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SPEAKER_00: Do you have to do we don't have a list today?
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, the president spoke last night.
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SPEAKER_01: We could talk about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought it was a bland speech, but it was good.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it existed.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it was good for some things.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it was not good for others.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I said to you in a group chat,
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SPEAKER_01: but also said to my husband last night,
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SPEAKER_01: and my husband took pause and actually liked this idea or this thought,
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SPEAKER_01: as a speech for a rallying cry,
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SPEAKER_01: like for the nation.
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SPEAKER_01: As his case to the nation, I don't think it was very good.
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SPEAKER_01: It was really low energy and
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SPEAKER_01: It was kind of bland.
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SPEAKER_01: It just was there.
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SPEAKER_01: It was fine.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't good.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't bad.
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SPEAKER_01: It was just there.
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As a line in the sand to America's allies and to Iran,
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I think it was good.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it gave I'm not messing around fall in line energy.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think we needed some of that.
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especially if you're looking out at some of our other allies
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this morning,
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SPEAKER_01: like the UK coming out,
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SPEAKER_01: you even have very conservative leaders.
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Like Cammie Bednock came out this morning and said,
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Donald Trump,
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this is Cammie Bednock.
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SPEAKER_01: She is one of the, she was the runner up instead of Rishi Sunak.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: She's a conservative leader.
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MP,
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largely tipped to take the Tory position if they were to gain
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power over Keir.
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I actually think it's going to be Restore or one of the other
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groups,
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but I digress.
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So she came out this morning and was saying,
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Donald Trump,
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you made this mess.
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SPEAKER_01: This is your mess.
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You need to fix it because the Strait of Hormuz is still not
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open and gas is not
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SPEAKER_01: flowing through and the UK is going to be out of gas.
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within the month um that's some of that is their own problem
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that's all their own
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fault uh literally yes every modicum of it is their own fault
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on multiple levels
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SPEAKER_00: the uk especially made the choice to stop drilling
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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they had their own oil reserves like they could be
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self-sufficient BP exists as a
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company and Royal Dutch Shell exists as companies because
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Britain used to be one of
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SPEAKER_00: the dominant players in oil extraction and oil and oil refinement.
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SPEAKER_00: And they made the choice.
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SPEAKER_00: They said, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: We're getting rid of nuclear.
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SPEAKER_00: We're getting rid of oil.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going all electric.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: look,
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SPEAKER_00: now we have to buy all our oil,
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SPEAKER_00: ship it from the Strait of Hormuz and get it from Russia.
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SPEAKER_01: They also have refused to look.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is one where I am very squish on.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to say this.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I am pro-Russia, as this is going to sound.
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SPEAKER_01: We all know I am very in favor of Ukraine.
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SPEAKER_01: I want Ukraine to win.
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I also try to be a realist about things and say we are at a
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pause and we are just
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SPEAKER_01: churning through people's lives at this point.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's not a lot of movement one way or another.
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SPEAKER_01: And I would like a resolution to this.
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This is something that could cause a resolution to Russia
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issues as Europe
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SPEAKER_01: realizes,
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SPEAKER_01: OK,
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SPEAKER_01: wait,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe we can't.
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still be in a war with them maybe we should find a resolution
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quickly so that we
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can get gas flowing through there instead of through the Strait
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of Hormuz yes the
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lesson should be we should be producing our own but we realize
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that Europe is
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SPEAKER_01: mentally deficient and not going to be going that route
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Yeah,
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I actually saw yesterday,
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I saw somebody pointed out online,
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I think this was European.
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I think they may be talking themselves into that position a bit
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more based on this.
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I saw somebody point out that Ukraine currently owns more of
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the contested
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SPEAKER_00: territory in Ukraine now than it did after the first week of the war.
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SPEAKER_00: They have actually successfully pushed the Russians back.
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SPEAKER_00: And this seems like a good time to get them together and be like,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: guys,
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SPEAKER_00: neither of you is going to get all of what you want.
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SPEAKER_00: Can we just make this end?
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And Russia has made moves saying that they are ready to come to
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the table and accept something.
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It's unfortunately not something that those of us who support
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Ukraine are going to love.
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SPEAKER_01: Also, like, maybe it needs to happen.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm hesitant to be like,
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SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: let's just end it,
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SPEAKER_01: because it is upsetting that Russia was able to come in and take land.
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SPEAKER_01: Also...
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SPEAKER_01: okay, this war cannot go on forever.
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SPEAKER_01: We're not going anywhere else.
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SPEAKER_01: Our hands are kind of tied here, and let's be done with it.
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SPEAKER_00: We live in a world of realities.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: As nice as it would be to not live,
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SPEAKER_00: to live in a world of,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: nice,
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SPEAKER_00: comfortable fictions,
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SPEAKER_00: we live in a world of realities.
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SPEAKER_00: The...
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SPEAKER_00: The argument against doing it,
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SPEAKER_00: against just,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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getting them to the table and getting a compromise where Russia
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gets a little but
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SPEAKER_00: not all of it and Ukraine doesn't get everything back,
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SPEAKER_00: including Crimea,
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SPEAKER_00: the argument has always been,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: what message does that send to people like China who are,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: who always have designs?
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But at this point,
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what you can say is the message that it sends is you can get
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the thing from
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SPEAKER_00: But only or part of what you want,
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SPEAKER_00: but only after a massive amount of expenditure and of money and lives.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's a reasonable message to send,
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SPEAKER_00: because fundamentally,
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SPEAKER_00: that's the truth with Taiwan.
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SPEAKER_00: If China really wanted to focus everything on taking Taiwan,
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SPEAKER_00: unless we want to go full thermonuclear war,
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SPEAKER_00: they'd probably take it.
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But it would be after just an extended period of massive
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fighting involving everyone else.
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SPEAKER_00: It would be a world war, hopefully not a thermonuclear one.
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But I think we have sent the appropriate message at this point
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to my mind.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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I will say when we look at Ishafan,
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I think that's how we pronounce it,
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the city in Iran.
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SPEAKER_01: Ishafan.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of curious why we didn't go there earlier.
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I don't know that we could have maybe without destabilizing
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their regime as much.
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SPEAKER_01: I like that we went in and
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took out all of their ballistic missiles and completely
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decimated their capabilities.
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SPEAKER_01: I kind of wish we had done that a little bit earlier.
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SPEAKER_01: I like my husband,
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SPEAKER_01: when I was telling him that we had bombed it,
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SPEAKER_01: he was like,
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SPEAKER_01: why didn't we do that day dot?
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SPEAKER_01: Which I am a little bit curious about too.
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SPEAKER_01: If we were doing this for their enhanced capabilities,
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SPEAKER_01: which clearly they had and we are not talking enough about
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SPEAKER_01: And I am really glad that Donald Trump was talking about that yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, why wasn't that move one?
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SPEAKER_01: But maybe we couldn't have.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyways, we've done it.
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SPEAKER_01: I am glad.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that sent a loud message to the world.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think his tone last night was...
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SPEAKER_01: While it didn't play,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think,
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SPEAKER_01: for citizens,
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SPEAKER_01: like I said,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like it was a rally speech.
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SPEAKER_01: It didn't have that energy.
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SPEAKER_01: I also kind of feel like it wasn't to the citizens.
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SPEAKER_01: I realize we put it up as a citizen's address.
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I kind of feel like it was more that fall in line message to
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the rest of the world.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: There have been a lot of people on the right.
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SPEAKER_00: As you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I listen to the commentary podcast,
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and Christine Rosen on that has been harping endlessly on that
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they need to—he
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SPEAKER_00: needs to have a primetime address.
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SPEAKER_00: She's actually gotten a decent amount of pushback on that.
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SPEAKER_00: People say roughly what I've said,
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that he is one of the most open presidents that has ever sat in
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the Oval Office.
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SPEAKER_00: But she isn't the only one.
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SPEAKER_00: There's been a lot of people on the right.
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SPEAKER_00: Again—
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SPEAKER_00: In commentary,
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SPEAKER_00: the commentary national review wing of the right,
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SPEAKER_00: there have been a lot of people have been like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: we need a primetime address without a primetime address.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, every other president.
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So I think this partially this shuts them up,
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at least,
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which I think is good.
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SPEAKER_00: The speech was fine.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't think it was bad.
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SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't a rally speech because he was stuck to a script.
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SPEAKER_00: This was Donald Trump.
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SPEAKER_00: He sticks to a script.
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SPEAKER_00: He's very uninteresting.
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His great gift is for being able to riff very entertainingly,
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and he has great comic timing.
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SPEAKER_00: And he can't do that when you're sticking to the script.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought for a speech, it was fine.
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Immediately,
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on the left,
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the talking point went out well before the speech.
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SPEAKER_00: They immediately said, oh, he was rambling.
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SPEAKER_00: It was horrible.
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SPEAKER_00: It was worse than anything Joe Biden ever did, which is insane.
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I think Jon Favreau of Pod Save America was the first one to
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pop up with that one
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SPEAKER_00: that I saw,
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SPEAKER_00: and then it just flooded out.
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SPEAKER_00: But that's psychotic talk.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I thought it was fine.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a workman like speech.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't, I agree with you.
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It was setting lines in the sand,
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which is Rubio has been going out and doing that for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was basically underlining what Rubio has said.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that I'm going to monologue slightly longer.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm used to it too.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that the, um,
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SPEAKER_00: The thing is, but now I forgot what I was going to say.
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I diverted off to say I'm going to monologue because I felt bad
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that I was taking
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SPEAKER_00: up all the airtime.
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SPEAKER_00: You shouldn't.
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SPEAKER_00: Why?
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SPEAKER_01: You shouldn't.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, but you shouldn't feel bad about monologuing.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: We talk, like, it's fine.
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I just feel like I take up all the airtime with my long-winded
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discourses on random things.
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SPEAKER_01: You do.
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SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
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SPEAKER_01: People still like us.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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So what I was going to say was this throws back to something
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you said earlier.
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SPEAKER_00: You were talking about the British conservative woman.
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SPEAKER_01: Cammie Bednox.
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And this morning I got into I was responded crankily to the
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Internet personality
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SPEAKER_00: Sargon of Akkad.
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SPEAKER_00: It was Carl Benjamin, who is a British conservative type.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he's reform at this point,
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but he posted a thing accused America of both shutting down the
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Strait of Hormuz
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SPEAKER_00: and of having blown up the Nord Stream pipeline.
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SPEAKER_01: But we didn't blow up the pipeline.
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SPEAKER_00: Perhaps.
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SPEAKER_00: It was the Ukrainians.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: No, there was like actual proof.
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the the um which i have thought it was an important point to
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bring up my response i
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gave to somebody in this in this thread where i said that a lot
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of americans i
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think aren't aware that european conservatives are not in fact
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especially friendly
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SPEAKER_00: to america either um the the they're
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SPEAKER_00: And this is something that I do think that Trump actually is aware of.
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I think this is partly what caused him to support Carney over
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Poulivier in Canada.
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SPEAKER_00: That conservatives in Europe and in Canada...
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SPEAKER_00: They are much more – they are similarly very our country first,
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SPEAKER_00: and that includes to the exclusion of America.
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They are just as eager to blame America for bad things that
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happen and Israel for
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SPEAKER_00: bad things that happen than the left in their countries is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just – that's just how it is.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
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I think that Trump feels that he actually in some cases can
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negotiate better with
18:57
the liberals in the countries than he can with the
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conservatives because at least
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SPEAKER_00: the liberals,
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SPEAKER_00: they have an internationalist outlook.
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SPEAKER_01: They at least come to play as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: they at least have a,
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SPEAKER_00: OK,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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we have to work with other countries as opposed to a lot of the
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conservatives and a
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lot of conservative parties internationally are very much like
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isolationists.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't want to talk to anybody and they don't want to let anyone in.
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Which is hilarious since he's actually advocating for them to
19:28
become more isolationist.
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SPEAKER_01: But, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: But if we dedicated an entire podcast to how moronic the Tories are,
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SPEAKER_01: we would never be able to talk anything else.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's true.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Guys, you want to talk about... Why don't you start?
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Because I've talked long enough.
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SPEAKER_00: Trump is...
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Wants to ditch Pam Bondi.
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And you said that Pam Bondi is...
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Reporting is out that she will be...
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From Dasha Burns.
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SPEAKER_00: Dasha Burns.
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SPEAKER_00: She kind of reports anything.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: But there has been waves about this happening for quite some time.
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SPEAKER_01: Trump met with Lee Zeldin last night to...
20:18
The EPA and their meeting about California wildfires reportedly
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Trump met with Lee
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SPEAKER_01: and said,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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SPEAKER_01: actually,
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SPEAKER_01: instead of EPA,
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SPEAKER_01: how about AG?
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SPEAKER_01: We'll see if this shakes out.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll see if Pam Bondi is actually out.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how she has lasted this long.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: She has been a bit of a train wreck.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, by Trump admin standards, that's really saying something.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, we'll see if it happens.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Still better than if Matt Gaetz had gotten the job.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my gosh.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: A million percent.
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SPEAKER_01: There's not even a debate.
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SPEAKER_01: Not even a question there.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, I look at people like Secretary Duffy.
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SPEAKER_01: I look at people like Lee Zeldin or like Marco Rubio or Doug Burgum.
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SPEAKER_00: Doug Burgum has to be in the conversation here.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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We do seem to have some competent adults in Trump admin world
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this go around.
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SPEAKER_01: We have not always had that in the past.
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Pam Bondi,
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to me,
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feels much like a throwback to less serious days of old Trump
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admin.
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SPEAKER_01: And I just you see these competent adults and you want that.
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SPEAKER_01: And hopefully she will be out and we'll have someone new.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: She presented herself very fantastically.
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SPEAKER_01: and just completely trapped the bed.
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SPEAKER_00: She came out of DeSantis' world, didn't she?
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I thought that.
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SPEAKER_01: Apparently,
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SPEAKER_01: he got along with her,
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SPEAKER_01: but it wasn't like...
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SPEAKER_01: I thought that she was like Team DeSantis.
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SPEAKER_01: I think some of that was a Matt Gaetz...
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Storyline.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that she's actually very close with DeSantis.
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SPEAKER_01: I think he was fine with her,
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SPEAKER_01: but I don't know that she was like Team DeSantis,
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SPEAKER_01: like we all thought.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: The...
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I had – my assumption has been for a while that what was going
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to happen would be
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SPEAKER_00: that once a new governor was elected in Florida,
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SPEAKER_00: Bondi would be fired in the sand as we slotted in.
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That was at least – that was a lot of the scuttlebutt I had
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heard just around.
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SPEAKER_00: It is – now,
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it is possible that what's going on here is that Bondi has
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annoyed Trump to the
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SPEAKER_00: point where he doesn't – this was the plan at some point.
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SPEAKER_00: She's annoyed Trump to the point that he doesn't want to wait.
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SPEAKER_00: I think so.
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SPEAKER_01: I think so.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think he just is done with her.
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SPEAKER_01: It really makes me want to be a fly on the wall because...
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SPEAKER_01: She's not great.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want to come down too harshly, but she seems kind of bimbo-ish.
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SPEAKER_01: She's not doing herself any favors.
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SPEAKER_01: And also, I want to know what the line was, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, why now?
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SPEAKER_01: We've known that she's kind of a bimbo for a while.
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SPEAKER_01: Why now?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just curious.
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SPEAKER_01: That's just my own, like, I want the gossip.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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the Epstein files stunt that she apparently pulled without
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Trump's knowledge or
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agreement with where she brought all the online influencers and
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gave them the
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folders that had Epstein files on them that were just full of
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stuff that was
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SPEAKER_00: already out there.
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SPEAKER_00: That was her immediate salvo.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: That was her first salvo as AG.
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SPEAKER_00: It was, oh, look at me.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Look at this openness.
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SPEAKER_01: So, so embarrassing.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: That was the most horrifically cringe thing that has ever happened.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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So it's just all just pointless spectacles like that without
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any real substance or
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SPEAKER_00: apparent or really appearing to get anything of use done.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: So that's I think Trump.
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So for as much as people crank on Trump,
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Trump appreciates hyper competence.
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SPEAKER_00: But he appreciates hyper competence for people who are loyal to him.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, hold on a second.
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SPEAKER_01: We're talking about Donald Trump.
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SPEAKER_01: Hyper competence is number two to his list.
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SPEAKER_00: He doesn't.
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In fact,
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people act like his only criterion is is sycophancy,
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which is not.
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SPEAKER_00: He likes people who are he likes people like Rubio.
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SPEAKER_00: Rubio says nice things about him.
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But but also gets things done because he because how people who
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work under him
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SPEAKER_00: operate reflects on him just as much as the things that they say.
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SPEAKER_01: That is a fair point.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like sometimes Rubio might be the exception to the rule,
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SPEAKER_01: because,
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SPEAKER_01: again,
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we're talking about Trump world and competency isn't something
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that we always
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SPEAKER_01: think.
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tie into that to this administration and also point taken when
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it comes to the
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serious adults in the room we have just called out none of them
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are necessarily
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loyalist to him i i actually would say that none of them are
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all that loyal to him
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they are loyal to a republican presidency and a set of ideals
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that they are working
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SPEAKER_01: towards i they are not the like
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trump first and only that we are used to seeing from people on
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and team trump well
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the thing is that i think that in the uh this is not it's not
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original to me point
25:55
but that in the in his first term trump really didn't know
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anybody in washington
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SPEAKER_00: that well so he kind of relied on what people like you know if he he
26:05
hired people who he was told by people you know this guy's good
26:08
and that went very
26:09
poorly in the intervening years he actually had time to get to
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know a bunch of
26:15
people and who could be useful to him uh and uh understand how
26:22
they worked
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SPEAKER_00: understand who he could work with so that's overall the
26:27
His appointments this term have been much better with the
26:32
exception of people
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SPEAKER_00: feeling like Bondi,
26:35
SPEAKER_00: who on paper actually wasn't a bad person for the job.
26:39
I was so excited when she took the role because I thought she
26:42
was going to be fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: She presented herself so well,
26:46
SPEAKER_01: so intelligently,
26:48
SPEAKER_01: so polished and put together and not like a Trump sycophant.
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SPEAKER_01: And she completely folded the minute she got in.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: It was weird.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: Now, there were political considerations to RFK getting a job.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: However,
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RFK lives this weirdly charmed life in that—and this has been
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pointed out by many
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SPEAKER_00: people,
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SPEAKER_00: and I think it's a good point—the thing with RFK is that often,
27:12
SPEAKER_00: not always,
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SPEAKER_00: but often,
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SPEAKER_00: he actually ends up in the right place,
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SPEAKER_00: but for batshit reasons.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, can I stand up for him really briefly?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to say I'm not an RFK fan.
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SPEAKER_01: I never have been.
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SPEAKER_01: I never will be one.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't buy into a lot of his stuff.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: And also, I do actually agree with a lot of stuff that they've done.
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SPEAKER_01: They reworked the food pyramid.
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SPEAKER_01: They are open to looking at things, you know,
27:42
SPEAKER_01: They're like anti-vax, but they're also pro-Ozumbic.
27:46
They're taking more of a science-based approach to certain
27:51
things and retooling
27:53
SPEAKER_01: things within Health and Human Services.
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SPEAKER_01: And I actually really like what he's doing, even though I don't like him.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: again,
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SPEAKER_00: the anti-vax thing is nuts,
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SPEAKER_00: but at the same time...
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SPEAKER_00: But like you say,
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SPEAKER_00: the thing is,
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SPEAKER_00: they're taking a more science-based approach in that,
28:12
SPEAKER_00: but from the same thing as,
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SPEAKER_00: because fundamentally...
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SPEAKER_00: They're taking an approach of take nothing as a given.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, everything needs to be looked into.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: Everything that there's concerns about needs to be researched.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think that is inherently bad in itself, even with vaccines.
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SPEAKER_01: I think I mean, look.
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SPEAKER_00: For the record, I am 100% pro-vaccine.
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SPEAKER_00: I am just pretty much across the board.
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SPEAKER_00: I do not buy into anything involving anti-vax move.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: However, because of that, I think that there isn't a problem.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't have a problem looking at these studies.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: I think these studies were done fine.
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SPEAKER_01: I am mostly Provax.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: I will also say,
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SPEAKER_01: though,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: if you listen to how he talks,
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SPEAKER_01: he speaks in that horrible...
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SPEAKER_01: I have a hard time listening to him.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: That's a medical ailment.
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SPEAKER_01: He had that because he had a vaccine side effect.
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SPEAKER_01: Side effects exist.
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SPEAKER_01: It's good to study that.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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This is why he's so anti-vax,
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because the voice issue he has was a vaccine side effect.
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SPEAKER_01: They exist.
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SPEAKER_01: And for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't from eating raw bear he found on the side of the road.
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I mean,
29:28
that's probably why he needed to be vaccinated in the first
29:32
place.
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SPEAKER_01: And maybe he should consider that.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: No,
29:35
SPEAKER_01: but like,
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SPEAKER_01: it's fair to say that vaccines have side effects,
29:40
SPEAKER_01: that they're not appropriate for everyone,
29:42
that maybe we should look into safety of certain things and how
29:46
they're compounded.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: None of that is saying they don't solve a greater societal good.
29:53
But for the last,
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you know,
29:56
how many years since COVID,
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we have not been able to say that.
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We have not been able to say that side effects occur and that
30:04
they occur more often
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SPEAKER_01: in certain people.
30:07
And we've taken away the risk analysis when it comes to a lot
30:12
of medicine and even
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SPEAKER_01: nutrition programs,
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SPEAKER_01: things like that in America.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad we are making that risk analysis OK again.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
30:24
SPEAKER_00: no,
30:24
SPEAKER_00: again,
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SPEAKER_00: that's the side,
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the quote unquote science we're supposed to trust in is simple
30:31
as science is it's a
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SPEAKER_00: system of inquiry.
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It's always,
30:37
always be holding things up to scrutiny to try to try to
30:41
understand them better.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: But again, he's got a lot of crank theories.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: He's got a lot of kook stuff.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: No, not my favorite.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: In a lot of cases,
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he ends up at what is a logical endpoint from this weird insane
30:59
kookness that he
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SPEAKER_00: started at.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's an interesting phenomenon.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: I would love to have more people shaking things up.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: You know,
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we just saw this morning it came out that Trump wants to
31:16
redirect spending the
31:18
SPEAKER_01: spending.
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SPEAKER_00: Reportedly Bloomberg.
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SPEAKER_00: According to Bloomberg.
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I don't think it would be all that out of the realm of
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possibility to say that he
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SPEAKER_01: wants to increase defense spending.
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SPEAKER_00: Increase defense spending, cut entitlements.
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SPEAKER_01: Makes sense.
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SPEAKER_01: And also, then everyone freaks out.
31:40
It's like,
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oh,
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we have money to spend on war,
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but we don't have money to spend on health care.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: And I do want to come out and say once again, like...
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SPEAKER_01: Our health care system is broken.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: We need to look at solutions.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: We also spend an absurd amount of health care.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: We spend a massive amount.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: An absurd amount.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: We need to find solutions.
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SPEAKER_01: But you know where we could find solutions?
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SPEAKER_01: In Congress, if they would just do their freaking jobs.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, we have been saddled with Obamacare.
32:09
Republicans are not interested in fixing the problems that
32:13
Obamacare has harangued us with.
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SPEAKER_01: And honestly, it needs to be coming from Congress.
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SPEAKER_01: It needs to not be coming from Trump cutting...
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SPEAKER_01: You know, worthless entitlement spending.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: We need to go through and look for actual solutions because it is,
32:29
SPEAKER_01: frankly,
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SPEAKER_01: a disaster and Republicans have no interest in solving actual issues.
32:37
They don't even have an interest in saving themselves and
32:40
saving their majority.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: So I don't...
32:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what we're doing here.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why our government is still actually shut down.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: I realize TSA has been paid and are returning back onto the jobs,
32:52
SPEAKER_01: but we are still mid-government shutdown.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is an embarrassment.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: No, the...
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I think if that – this is Trump's – so if you watch – I don't
33:06
know if you watch at all.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't watch the whole thing by any stretch.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: But yesterday he gave a closed-door talk to,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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Republican representatives that was – for some reason the White
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House accidentally
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SPEAKER_00: leaked the video of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like they posted the video of this closed-door.
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SPEAKER_01: Accidentally?
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SPEAKER_00: of this closed-door talk for like a minute.
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SPEAKER_00: No, you leak those.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: You leak those.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: No, that is a message.
33:30
That is a,
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we know what you said,
33:32
John Thune,
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and we are holding you to it.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's reasons you leak videos.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was,
33:39
one of the things I thought along this line that he said in
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this quote-unquote
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SPEAKER_00: closed-door thing was that what he was talking about,
33:48
SPEAKER_00: I think this goes along with Bloomberg's thing,
33:50
SPEAKER_00: that he wants to see the state's
33:53
SPEAKER_00: be the ones who are doing a lot of these social services.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: He said, you know what?
34:00
SPEAKER_00: We have wars to fight.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: The federal government exists to fight wars.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: It's one of our main jobs.
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SPEAKER_00: I would like to see the states doing this.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they need to raise their taxes a little bit to pay for it.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe we can work with them and lower the federal taxes.
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SPEAKER_00: So...
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SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: That's he's he's taking this is a classic conservative approach to it.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: He is taking he's taking a federalist approach to it of,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the states need to take care of themselves on these issues.
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And the federal government needs to do the things the state
34:36
can't fully agree and
34:38
SPEAKER_01: love all of that.
34:40
Also,
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if we could wake the Republican Congress up and let them know
34:45
that this is the plan for
34:47
SPEAKER_01: That they need to get to work.
34:49
And they could also message this a little bit for their own
34:52
electability and for
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SPEAKER_01: their seats to remain red come November.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: That would be great.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: plus,
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SPEAKER_00: one of the things that the Democrats love to love to talk about is,
35:04
SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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we give so much more like blue states give so much money to the
35:09
federal government.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: We get so little back.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Fine.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: This is fine.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: Do it yourselves.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Keep it.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Do it yourselves and pay for your own stuff.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: I think the red states,
35:21
SPEAKER_00: well in aggregate,
35:22
poor are generally able to take care of themselves fine too in
35:28
that they will
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SPEAKER_00: likely rely more on private charity,
35:32
SPEAKER_00: which is again –
35:33
SPEAKER_00: How it should be.
35:35
Or they will find solutions that fit their smaller budgets that
35:40
work and won't have
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SPEAKER_01: to go through private charity.
35:44
They will find solutions that fit for their budgets so that
35:49
they can provide...
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SPEAKER_00: A 50-state laboratory of democracy?
35:53
SPEAKER_00: Are you mad?
35:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're saying this to the monarchists, so...
36:01
SPEAKER_01: I I'm in here like, let's make them all feudal lords and go back.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: We do need to ramp up military spending, though.
36:11
People will say,
36:12
well,
36:12
like,
36:12
you know,
36:12
but we already spend so much,
36:14
which we do.
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SPEAKER_00: But it has been misprioritized.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: We need new munitions.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: We have needed new munitions for ages.
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SPEAKER_00: Our military fleet is giant and is the most cutting edge in the world.
36:30
SPEAKER_00: We still are carrying a lot of really old stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Some of it we gave to Ukraine, but we didn't replace.
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We're also not investing in a lot of technologies like China
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does and can be.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, but China's technology is failing.
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SPEAKER_01: They're investing in stuff that doesn't work.
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So why don't we invest and do it the American way,
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which will actually work?
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SPEAKER_00: Did you hear about this?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you heard about this.
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SPEAKER_00: No, but please.
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The Chinese-built radar arrays that were supposed to take our
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American stealth
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SPEAKER_00: fighters and stealth aircraft failed drastically in Iran.
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SPEAKER_00: Oopsie!
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SPEAKER_00: But now...
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SPEAKER_00: China has stealth aircraft of their own that they built.
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And the justification for why their stealth aircraft worked to
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the Chinese
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SPEAKER_00: government was that,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: our arrays that can detect stealth aircraft picked them up.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just sitting here like, yeah, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: It's great.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I just... I...
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SPEAKER_01: I'm fine with military spending.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we need to increase it.
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The guy who made the stealth aircraft in China was killed by
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the government the other day.
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SPEAKER_00: Or he was disappeared by the government.
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SPEAKER_00: We know what happened to him.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like, here's the thing.
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SPEAKER_01: For me,
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SPEAKER_01: it comes down to we're not making the case,
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SPEAKER_01: and we should be because it is the correct case,
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SPEAKER_01: that a strong America creates a strong democratic world.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to be going through—
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SPEAKER_01: We talk a lot about fascism.
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We talk a lot about all of these things that we think are these
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great societal ills.
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SPEAKER_01: The only thing that's stopping them from taking over is a strong America.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to be back beating that drum.
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We need to be educating America's youth on the dangers of other
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government types
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SPEAKER_01: like we used to in the past.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to...
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SPEAKER_01: embrace American identity and be pushing it out into the world.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that Trump is starting these things.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that he's always the best messenger for that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wish that we had strong, rational voices that were...
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SPEAKER_01: A better messenger because the message is correct.
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It's just not coming through the right channel when it goes
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through Trump.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, that's you know me.
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SPEAKER_00: I love to be some America Rubio.
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So like,
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you know,
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that's I think Rubio Rubio is a guy who's good at doing that.
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SPEAKER_00: I think J.D.
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SPEAKER_00: Vance could be with J.D.
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SPEAKER_00: Vance.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's always hard to pin down.
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SPEAKER_01: He is.
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I think that he's not as hard to pin down as a lot on the right
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to portray him as.
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He's also in an interesting position as vice president because
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you can't get out
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SPEAKER_01: over the president's shoes,
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SPEAKER_01: especially Donald Trump's.
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SPEAKER_01: So he is kind of in a box.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I wish that he was more vocal about certain things.
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SPEAKER_01: I also don't know how much...
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SPEAKER_01: I expect a vice president to be, right?
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SPEAKER_01: We are always annoyed, like, oh, he's not as pro-Israel as we think.
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SPEAKER_01: But he goes to Israel and goes to the Western.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, he does these things.
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SPEAKER_01: I think he is limited in his role more.
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And we look at that and say,
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like,
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oh,
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he's not as strong as we want him to be on these issues.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that that's an entirely fair thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the problem is he just – he tends to be a bit of a cipher.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a bit of a cipher.
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SPEAKER_00: It is impossible,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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for him to ever entirely live down for multiple sides that he
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went from someone who
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SPEAKER_00: was an extremely strident Trump critic –
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SPEAKER_00: to being Trump's vice president.
40:56
SPEAKER_00: So the problem is— But I really hate that.
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SPEAKER_01: I really reject that because—
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SPEAKER_01: That's totally fair, but I reject it because he changed.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, data changes.
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SPEAKER_01: There was one choice,
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SPEAKER_01: and one person was going to win,
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SPEAKER_01: and one side is fundamentally flawed,
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SPEAKER_01: and the other isn't.
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Of course you're going to go for the person who's going to win
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on the side that you
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SPEAKER_01: think you're going to have the most impact for.
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SPEAKER_01: I believe that.
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What he has said was that he hadn't met Trump,
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that he hadn't spoken to the man.
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SPEAKER_00: He realized he didn't actually understand what you'd say.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: I think some of that is like smoothing it over.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's totally fair if he just came out and said,
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SPEAKER_01: look,
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SPEAKER_01: I see the Democrats' view for America.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: I see Trump's view for America.
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SPEAKER_01: Trump was going to win.
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SPEAKER_01: I believe in this view.
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SPEAKER_01: Some of my data has changed.
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SPEAKER_01: We watched what happened through the Biden admin.
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SPEAKER_01: We watched what happened through COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: We watched what happened through Trump's first presidency.
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SPEAKER_01: It's totally appropriate to say, OK, all of the data changed after that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I changed my mind and fine that I get it.
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I I kind of resent us on the right banging him on that all the
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time when I
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SPEAKER_01: We will come out and say like,
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SPEAKER_01: oh,
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SPEAKER_01: I'll call balls and strikes on all these things,
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but we won't allow him to like let him digest the data and
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change his mind.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not that big a deal.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm still going to be a big Rubio fan.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: That's just a... Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately,
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I don't think Rubio is going to be someone who's going to be in
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a position to be
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SPEAKER_01: the president.
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I likewise lament the fact that Ron DeSantis will not be in
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that position.
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SPEAKER_01: I was a DeSantis person.
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SPEAKER_01: I think...
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DeSantis would do a fantastic job if you look at the job he did
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in Florida.
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SPEAKER_01: I want that for the U.S.
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SPEAKER_01: I think he would be outstanding.
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I don't know that the primary electorate is going to go for
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him,
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and that's a bummer.
43:08
It is apparently a somewhat open question if Fance will
43:14
actually run because he has
43:17
SPEAKER_00: a new title coming along.
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SPEAKER_01: He himself has said he is not sure he is running.
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SPEAKER_01: He has said, I do not know that I want to.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fair.
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SPEAKER_00: He's got a new baby coming.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: Also, he realizes, like, maybe this isn't for him.
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Maybe look at all of the horrible things that are being said
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about his wife every
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SPEAKER_01: second of the day.
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SPEAKER_01: At some point, I think that has to be like, you know what?
43:44
SPEAKER_01: It's not worth it to me.
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And I would totally understand and appreciate that because he
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he loves his family.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: And he for anything we can say about this man,
43:54
SPEAKER_01: he clearly is a devoted husband and father and father.
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SPEAKER_01: That has to weigh on you at some point.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I could never,
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SPEAKER_01: I could never,
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SPEAKER_01: ever,
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ever serve because the second anyone said anything negative
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about my family,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm out.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I couldn't do it.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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Well,
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I think we got to wrap it up because I got to,
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my kids get a half day.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to go collect her.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I think we kind of did it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have about 45 minutes.
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Who knows what it'll be after we cut it down for all my random
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endless pontification.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not cutting any of that out.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, no.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't cut any of it out yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: Why am I going to cut it out today?
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SPEAKER_01: No, we'll just leave it in there.
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SPEAKER_01: Let people see how the sausage is made.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
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SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.
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SPEAKER_03: Bye.