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Kevin Kiermaier takes us inside his plan to become an OF consultant · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Here comes the outlaw, Kevin Kiermeyer, recently retired from the sport,
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  Speaker 1: one of the best to watch manning the outfield just
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  Speaker 1: like Kevin Plart.
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  Speaker 2: This is cool for me.
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  Speaker 1: We got the two Kevin that dominated the highlights for
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  Speaker 1: like a decade.
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  Speaker 2: Kk.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show here for the
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  Speaker 1: first time. Congrats on retirement and how you doing. Man,
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  Speaker 1: how's retired life?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, thanks for having me. By the way, retired
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  Speaker 2: life is good. A little slow, a little slow, but good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a dad of three now. I had my daughter
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  Speaker 2: last December, so this whole year I was super busy
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  Speaker 2: and kind of all over and I'm someone who has
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  Speaker 2: like severe ADHD, so I need variety and to switch
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  Speaker 2: things up. So as long as I'm on the go,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in a good place. But once again, I definitely
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  Speaker 2: missed the adrenaline, and you know, I missed baseball a ton.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm right where I need to be and life
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  Speaker 2: is good. So I'm figuring out life after baseball and
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  Speaker 2: trying to get creative with a couple of things. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm a lucky man.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get to your creativity and your like job
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  Speaker 3: movement creation that you're that you're trying to come up
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  Speaker 3: with here, I gotta say, I played with KP. I
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  Speaker 3: played with Kevin, the cool Kevin, and I played with
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  Speaker 3: the good looking Kevin. Is you now you're better looking
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  Speaker 3: because you got the gold gloves? But I know that
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  Speaker 3: burns KP up inside? So is there any way you
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  Speaker 3: could get like a little mini gold glove for KP? Like,
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  Speaker 3: because I feel like I think I forget what year
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, he gave you a run for your money
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  Speaker 3: and you still took it from him, Like, is there
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  Speaker 3: any way you can give my guy because all he
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  Speaker 3: was getting was like the Wilson Defensive Player of the
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  Speaker 3: Year and that's like it's like a cool second place trophy.
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  Speaker 3: So can you help my guy out a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I knew I was gonna win it, Like
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  Speaker 2: in fifteen, I had my best year ever in one
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  Speaker 2: Platinum that season and then that that created like like
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  Speaker 2: a different monster in me where I said, I I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to win this thing for until further notice type thing.
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  Speaker 2: And sixteen I got hurt. I shattered my left hand
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  Speaker 2: and I went on the sixty day and that was
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  Speaker 2: like May and the gold Glove thing, It's like the
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  Speaker 2: way the voting goes and all that, it's like you
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  Speaker 2: have to have a certain amount of innings and time
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  Speaker 2: played before, like August twentieth or something like that. It's
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  Speaker 2: close to that might not be spot on, but it's
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  Speaker 2: something along those guidelines. And once again like whenever you
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  Speaker 2: win this award, it's it's something that you want to
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  Speaker 2: win forever. And me, I was a defensive guy, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, look, if I handle my business and stay
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  Speaker 2: on the field, then I think this is my award
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  Speaker 2: to lose type of thing. Now. With that being said,
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  Speaker 2: though I knew Pilar was always in Toronto, Jackie Bradley
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  Speaker 2: in Boston and trout out there like it was, it
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  Speaker 2: always seemed like it was like this same guys who
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  Speaker 2: were kind of in the running for it. And that
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  Speaker 2: was the year where I did not think I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna win just because of my time missed. And I
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  Speaker 2: would have totally understood that, but you know, I wanted
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  Speaker 2: and I was thrilled about that. But I definitely know
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  Speaker 2: why kp was, you know, not not thrilled about that.
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  Speaker 2: Had every right to be upset, and he pro I
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  Speaker 2: don't off top of my head, I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: many games you played that year, but I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you were always playing one fifty plus and that's something
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  Speaker 2: I'm very envious of. And I wasn't on the field
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  Speaker 2: as much as I would have liked to. But with
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  Speaker 2: that being said, I don't I don't have a little
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  Speaker 2: gold Glove award. But he was amazing out there and
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  Speaker 2: his highlights and just playing against him nineteen times a
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  Speaker 2: year within the Al East was always fun and it
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  Speaker 2: motivated me. And you know, I wanted to run the
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  Speaker 2: bass hard and I hit the ball to him and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he tried doing the same to me. But
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  Speaker 2: it was always a fun little competition and the ALE
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  Speaker 2: East always had plenty of that. And that's why I
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  Speaker 2: was so thankful to come up in that league for
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  Speaker 2: so long, because the players that I played against over
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  Speaker 2: and over, year after year, it was a blessing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's this kind of running joke that me
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  Speaker 4: and him didn't like each other. We really never really
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  Speaker 4: crossed pass. I think maybe the one time when we
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  Speaker 4: got David Price, Toronto got David Price. I think he
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  Speaker 4: introduced this to each other, but it was all friendly.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't even say friendly competition. I think we kind
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  Speaker 4: of motivated each other to be our best. I obviously
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  Speaker 4: wanted to win some awards. He won the awards, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't think any less of what I was able
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  Speaker 4: to accomplish. He motivated me every time I went on
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  Speaker 4: the field. I watched him make plays. I watched the highlights.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to one up them. I think we kind
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  Speaker 4: of motivated each other. But I guess the main reason
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  Speaker 4: you're on is you came out and talked about wanting
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  Speaker 4: to kind of change the landscape of outfield play. And
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  Speaker 4: no better a guy to learn from than you. But
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  Speaker 4: I guess my first question is you got draft in
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  Speaker 4: twenty ten. Tell me a little bit about your scouting report,
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  Speaker 4: your skill set, and then how you kind of developed
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  Speaker 4: into the outfielder you became.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was raw forever, never wanted to play pro ball.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to go play D one like that
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  Speaker 2: was my goal. And I wanted to go to Purdue.
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  Speaker 2: I'm wrapping my boilers today. I wanted to go to
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  Speaker 2: Purdue and I wasn't good enough out of high school.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't get good enough grades either. I gotta throw that
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  Speaker 2: in there, be accountable for that. But I went to
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  Speaker 2: JUCO called Parkland and Champagne, Illinois. Had no idea what
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  Speaker 2: to expect, but it was the best thing that ever
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  Speaker 2: happened to me. In one one night before my Christmas break,
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  Speaker 2: going home back to Indiana for a month, there was
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  Speaker 2: a scout in our gym. I had no idea. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was someone's grandpa, honestly, and he was there
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  Speaker 2: watching a teammate of mine. And then after the practice
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  Speaker 2: he came up to me. It's the guy who signed me.
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  Speaker 2: His name's Tom Cousten. But he gave me a card
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  Speaker 2: like his business card in it, and he's like, I
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  Speaker 2: love the way you look, I love the way you move.
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  Speaker 2: Will be in touch. You can play. And it was
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  Speaker 2: a life chain moment for me, and it was like
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  Speaker 2: a surge of motivation that I like, at that moment,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be a professional baseball player fastward like
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  Speaker 2: I was raw. I was an All American both years,
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  Speaker 2: and like started to hit for the first time ever. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: the metal bats back in the day were amazing, and
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  Speaker 2: I was hitting homers and all this stuff, and I
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  Speaker 2: was told I was going to get drafted eight to
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  Speaker 2: fifteenth round, so I had a draft party, like that
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  Speaker 2: second day of the draft, my name never got called.
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  Speaker 2: My buddies were over like drinking, playing woof the ball,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sitting here at the phone the whole time,
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  Speaker 2: never got that call. And sure enough, like the third
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  Speaker 2: day of the draft, rounds thirty one through fifty, my
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  Speaker 2: name gets called. And I was alone, so no one knew.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, for me, it was like all I
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  Speaker 2: need is opportunity. I'm ready to play. I'm the youngest
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  Speaker 2: celebor by right now, and I'm not much of a
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  Speaker 2: school guy, and i want to go throw all my
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  Speaker 2: eggs in one basket. Even though I'm a thirty first rounder.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make this work, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: make the big leagues.
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  Speaker 3: Rarely on this show? Can we have somebody that got
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  Speaker 3: drafted after me? That was a twenty ninth round, so
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know what that third day sounds like
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  Speaker 3: and it just gets passed over. I love that. Who
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  Speaker 3: was the person for you?
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  Speaker 2: Who?
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  Speaker 3: Because you said you were wrong? You came into the
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  Speaker 3: Ray's organization and you know, playing for the Phillies, the Yankees,
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  Speaker 3: the Blue Jays, we were always playing the Ray's minor
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  Speaker 3: league system and everything coming up? Who was that guy
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  Speaker 3: for you? And I want to kind of take that
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  Speaker 3: and transition it into your unique like job job search
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  Speaker 3: that you have, and like, how is that how is
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  Speaker 3: that learning process to become Because you don't just become
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  Speaker 3: a goal glover, a platinum glover.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it's a good question. I didn't really emulate anyone,
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  Speaker 2: uh so to say, but I watched. I watch like
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  Speaker 2: Jim Edmonds is one that sticks out. Adam Jones for
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles all the years. Like love watching him play
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  Speaker 2: Tory Hunter. I just I love getting on YouTube and
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  Speaker 2: like watching what the best of the best do. And
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  Speaker 2: for me, I knew that hitting was always so hard
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  Speaker 2: to me, so freaking hard, and it drove me nuts.
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  Speaker 2: And I knew defense was going to be my calling
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  Speaker 2: card and I was like, man, I think I can
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  Speaker 2: be incredible at this because I always felt like I
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  Speaker 2: was super athletic, and I always was like obsessed with
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  Speaker 2: working on my craft in my arm and how to
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  Speaker 2: throw harder and more accurate and get faster, like I
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  Speaker 2: had all these things bubbling, and then shortly into my
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  Speaker 2: minor league career, like just the way I did drills
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  Speaker 2: and did batting practice, I feel like that is what
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  Speaker 2: made me so good because I was testing myself every
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  Speaker 2: day and then like training my eyes to get reads
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  Speaker 2: on the ball. And I feel like when I was
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  Speaker 2: in Lowa twenty eleven, I was like, I know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: so far away from the big leagues, but I feel
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  Speaker 2: like defensively and who what I had? The highlights I
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  Speaker 2: see on TV and whatnot, I feel like no one
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  Speaker 2: can make the plays that I can, or cover the
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  Speaker 2: ground and control the game the way I can. That
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  Speaker 2: was a young, clueless minor leaguer, but I always had
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  Speaker 2: that confidence in that mindset that I wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: great at it, and like even my minor league, my
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  Speaker 2: minor league numbers were insane, and then like shortly after that,
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  Speaker 2: where I'm like, look, i can't wait to show people
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  Speaker 2: when I get to like double A and TRIPLEA, where
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  Speaker 2: I can show people what I can do because I'm
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  Speaker 2: making plays every night, like at like fifteen outfield assists
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  Speaker 2: every year my minor league career. I'm just like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I don't have a weakness out here,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't wait to become the player I want
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  Speaker 2: to be up in the big league so I can
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  Speaker 2: show everybody what I can do in all facets of
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  Speaker 2: the game, but especially defense, where I just felt like
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  Speaker 2: I've been different for a long time and those are
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  Speaker 2: the like defense gave me confidence within the whole game
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, look, even though I can, I'll struggle
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  Speaker 2: with the bat this and that. I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 2: the best out here. My pitchers want me, and I
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  Speaker 2: was always confident in that regard. And it's nice to
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  Speaker 2: have confidence when you're playing the big leagues because if
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  Speaker 2: you don't, the game's already hard enough. So for me,
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  Speaker 2: like I always like defense, just help me on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Then you know, off the field as well. It kind
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  Speaker 2: of paved everything for me in my life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we talked, you know, when I reached
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  Speaker 4: out to get you on the show, we spent a
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  Speaker 4: little time kind of catching up and talking. I don't
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  Speaker 4: want you to give away kind of your secret sauce
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  Speaker 4: because you know, going back to you kind of reaching
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  Speaker 4: out to all these teams saying you can make these
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  Speaker 4: outfielders better. Share with us what you feel comfortable sharing
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  Speaker 4: in terms of how you think you can help these
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  Speaker 4: organizations without giving away the KK kind of secret sauce.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So for me, like I'm obsessed with this,
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  Speaker 2: I've been obsessed with it forever. And what I realized,
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  Speaker 2: like when you're working with people, coaches or instructors, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: it always helps for players. For one, for someone who's
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  Speaker 2: been there, done that, but for someone who loves it
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  Speaker 2: as much as what I do. And this whole year
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I want to see if
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  Speaker 2: I can be as good of a coach as I
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  Speaker 2: think I can, and all the things that I kind
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  Speaker 2: of learned and developed on my own, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I can help players as well, because they might be
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  Speaker 2: like a thought or a mindset away from unlocking defensive potential.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, even throughout the minor leagues, like I
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  Speaker 2: watch house, my teammates and other guys did drills on
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  Speaker 2: them backfields and spring training and how guys shagg VP
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  Speaker 2: and then throughout the course of the season as well,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here thinking, man, I understand why certain
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  Speaker 2: guys are the defenders they are because they don't do
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  Speaker 2: they don't practice game speed or like stay like work
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  Speaker 2: on their craft and stay sharp way that I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I was doing so for me once again, I
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  Speaker 2: like when I came into PROBI, I was already a
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  Speaker 2: good outfielder, but the steps that I took throughout my
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  Speaker 2: whole career made me who I was. And I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: no one loves this morning me, and no one is
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  Speaker 2: willing to outwork or stay keep their body in shape
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  Speaker 2: to perform at this level. So that's half the battle.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, what I am really good at is
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  Speaker 2: creating a mindset for these guys and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I know you you hit homers and do this and that,
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  Speaker 2: but I want you to sit here and want the
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  Speaker 2: team to trust you to be out there for twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven outs instead of coming out in the eighth or
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  Speaker 2: ninth inning when your team's up two or three. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I want guys to be out there and have that
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  Speaker 2: confidence out there in the outfield, the same as you
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  Speaker 2: know the dudes who crush and have that confidence in
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  Speaker 2: the batter's box. But the way we do drills game
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  Speaker 2: speed and the way we shag BP and and just
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  Speaker 2: how I can like break down balls at the wall
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  Speaker 2: and sliding plays like just my insight and the things
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  Speaker 2: that you know, you're just trying to make it make
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  Speaker 2: sense type of thing. And for me, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: there are so many drills that are still done to
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  Speaker 2: this day that are just eyewash and they're not getting
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  Speaker 2: guys better. It's like I'm going to do the things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have you guys do the things that
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  Speaker 2: are going to be here and it's gonna like you're
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  Speaker 2: going to see it every day. But throwing program, I said,
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  Speaker 2: drill work certain speed, and because a lot of times
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  Speaker 2: in KP were I was telling you about this in
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  Speaker 2: text last week. But I'm like, man, if guys go
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  Speaker 2: and do a drill forty to sixty percent over and over,
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  Speaker 2: it's like you're you're conditioning your body to know that speed.
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  Speaker 2: And then when the game happens and you got to
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  Speaker 2: charge the ball and chop your feet and keep the
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  Speaker 2: momentum going forward to throw someone out at home. This
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  Speaker 2: is the first time that player has like practice or
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  Speaker 2: had this play happen where they need one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: effort and they and it's just like not it's like
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  Speaker 2: foreign to them because they're not used to it. And
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  Speaker 2: you see how plays get sped up on certain guys.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, I feel like if you sit here
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  Speaker 2: and practice a certain way it gets it'll show on
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  Speaker 2: the field because if I can teach these guys to
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  Speaker 2: operate one hundred percent and do everything game speed, and
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  Speaker 2: there's no adjustment when the light's turn on to the game,
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  Speaker 2: when guys have to like turn it on once seven
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  Speaker 2: o'clock starts and say, okay, now I need to go
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I think those are the guys who
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  Speaker 2: are susceptible to uh not being the best out footers,
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  Speaker 2: are getting the best jumps or you know, all the
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  Speaker 2: little things that matter for being great out there. And
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  Speaker 2: that's where I said, you know, you plugged me in
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  Speaker 2: and have these guys do it the proper way, then
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  Speaker 2: you get so much more out of players and see
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  Speaker 2: what kind of defensive potential we can maximize if we
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  Speaker 2: go about it and prep the right way.
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  Speaker 3: KK first of all, comment, then a question. Comment, And
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  Speaker 3: my son is a junior in high school. He's a
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  Speaker 3: center fielder. So I'm gonna need your I'm gonna need
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  Speaker 3: your number from KP after this so you can get
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  Speaker 3: you can get you can get my guy going out
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  Speaker 3: there because you know, I ain't teaching no mobility nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm squatting behind the plate. And he's good looking like you,
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  Speaker 3: so it's it's good. But my question is I want
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  Speaker 3: you to put yourself back in your shoes as a player.
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  Speaker 3: And this is where what you were saying when you
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  Speaker 3: put posted it on Twitter and Instagram and everything about
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  Speaker 3: being a coach for different Orgs. What would you do
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  Speaker 3: if the outfield coach from the Yankees came over and
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  Speaker 3: was like, KK, I'm working with you these three days
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  Speaker 3: in spring training and then yo, I'm going over to Dunedin.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be working with the J's for like three
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: days next weekend. How do you feel like you can
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: navigate that without it being a like, you know, come
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: to kk's camp, come to kk's outfield off season camp
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: type of thing. Because when you said it, we even
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: said it on the show here. Aj said a little
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: worse words than I did, but we were kind of like,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know how this is gonna work because you can't.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: You can't work with the Rays and then expect somebody
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: with the Red Sox to listen to you. Also, no
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: matter how much of a g you are at what
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: you teach.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: So that's where I'm going to disagree with you right there,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: because my phone has been blowing up and I will
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: be going out to a Z in Florida. I will
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: like after a week of this already, like it's already
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it's taken off, just like I knew it would. And
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I know for me, like I never go by the book, man,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I'm creative and even like the job I held the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Blue Jays last year, I'm like, if they agree to this,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. And they did and it was
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: great for both sides. But for me, it's just like
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: you know, all I said, like people go and see
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a hitting coach in the offseason and whatever. You don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: have to be like within your organization. But there's so
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: many guys who I just feel like they're never around
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the right person to like take that next step defensively,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: and that's all I have to offer. Like I'm not
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: in batting cages telling guys how to hit. I know
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I stayed in my lane, but with this, it's one
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: of those things. Even like back in the day, we
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: had a mental skills guy. His name is Vince Lodado
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: and he worked with five or other teams, and it's
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: not like he's in the meeting rooms with other teams
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: give an insight intel. I don't care about that. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: don't I'm not gonna be anywhere around that type of stuff.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: It's just I want teams to view It's like, hey,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: if you got a chance to work with one of
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the best that what they did, why would you not
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: take advantage of this type of thing, and once again
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I put that out there. I wanted to get the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: word out and just see what kind of buzz I
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: could get from it. And my phone's been ringing off
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the hook from teams and like guys wanted to reach
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: out individually. And I have that leverage where it's going
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to sound so cocky and arrogant, but I'm I'm one
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: of the best ever to play the position from a
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: defensive standpoint, and I cracked the code and know what
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to do, and I just I need to be around
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: just for a little bit of time and just help,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Like I just want to help, and that's it. I
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: don't want to be necessarily tied to organizations this year.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And I know I saw what aj Persienci said and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I saved that video and I'm going to tell like
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: it was funny, but I'm doing it. I already know
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it's going to happen, and you know, I can say
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that I'm going to be the first to do it
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: in this regard, but sometimes you just got to shoot
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: your shot. And for me, like the calls I've had
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: with teams so far, it's just one of the things
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, look, I question player development, because every year
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: in spring training you hear from teams over and over saying, Hey,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna hire the best people, We're going
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to get the best equipment and do this, this and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: that to give you guys the best chance of being
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: big leaguers and make you the best players we can be,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: which I call BS on that in so many ways
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: because I don't think they mean that when they say that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But in my situation, I say, Hey, if teams don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: want to reach out to me and use my services
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to their advantage for their players, then so be it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Like they already know that there's teams out there who
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: are trying to compete next year, and there's teams who
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: are not. I'm not trying to get off track, but
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the teams who've reached out to me already are the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: teams who are probably going to have a successful twenty
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: twenty six type of thing. And you know there's certain
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: players in your organization that might need to take that
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: next step defensively. And that's where, like I said, I
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: for like my expertises, and I feel like I'm I'm
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the best at coaching it. Even after a year into
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: this and I have an ability to break so many
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: different things down other than like a surface sea level,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: which a lot of coaching can be nowadays, which is okay,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But this is what I want to do, and like
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to do it. And I've had
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a ton ton of calls already and it's been a blast.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I need something to chase again. I need something to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: motivate me. And I've always had great satisfaction helping guys
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: out along the way, and now I can kind of
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: do that more on a full time basis without having
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to worry about anything for my career. I just I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: want to help anyone and everyone who wants to get
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: better and wants to be around me.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Well, Cratzy made a great point, because there's things out
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: there like tight End Camp. So OKK, if you start
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: your center field camp, you got my number, I'd love
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: to come out and help out. It'd actually be kind
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: of a cool thing, you know something. Yeah, this is
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: need something to kind of motivate you and Chase. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: think it's a great thing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just the start. I said. I want
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: to revolutionize it, and I know the things that I'm
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: going to do with certain guys can can do just that,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I promise you. And when I am in a z
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and Florida spring training, I'm going to send a video
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to AJ Prazinski because, like I said, I know, I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: know he said what he said, but and it doesn't
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: seem like it's possible. But once again, like I'm very
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: creative and I have that leverage where certain player development
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: people are gonna want me to be around their players
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and for me being around the game so long, once again,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I know where I need to be on the facility.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I know which fields and I know where to bounce
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: around and not over like over. I don't know what
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: word I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to abuse anything,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And I said, I want the teams to treat me
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: for the five days or whatever I'm around as if
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I'm employed, because I'm going to give those players everything
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I got. I don't care if it's low A, big
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: leagues wherever I go out at once, that's all I know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and we're just gonna see what happens with it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw you a quick curveball here. We have
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of similarities in our career. I'm recently retired.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: You've had a full year of retirement. Do you ever
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: sit at home because I get these feelings sometimes and
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: I like or when I watch games, I watch the
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: way people hit or the pay way people work. You
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: ever sit at home and think about, like, damn, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: wish I would have done something different offensively and where
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: your career kind of trajectory would have gone. Because I
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: get those feelings all the time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: The hills all the time, man all the time I
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and most of it is offensively where I was like man,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I and there's no way to justify this. There's no
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: way anyone took more swings from twenty ten to twenty
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: twenty four than me. Not that or it's not even impressive.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I drove myself crazy my whole career trying to unlock
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: my offensive potential, and I always felt like I was
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: on my way, and each and every night I took
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the field, I feel like I did everything to get
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: myself the best chance at success. But I go back
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and look at video or certain at bats, and I'm
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: just like, goly, what in the world was I doing
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: right there? So could it would have should have? But
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: hitting I don't know. Man, I feel like the the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: less I knew about it and mechanics and all that,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the better I was. And then I just I dug
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: so deep into it and went down so many rabbit
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: holes and tried so many different things and then everything
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: like I tried so many hundreds of stances, and and uh,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like I just got comfortable with doing things
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that were not mechanically or technically right, and that was
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: what was comfortable to me. And then you sit around
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and watch other great hitters and what they do, and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I can't even do that on a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: on a dry swing. So yeah, a lot of that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: could it would have should have. But you know, we
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: had long enough, or I had a long enough time
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to make those adjustments and be better. And once again,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: every night, I feel like I gave myself the best
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: possible chance. But looking back on I know I could
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: have been so much better than what I was, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you know it is what it is, all right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Last one probably a shorter answer, but I'm not gonna
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: see if you can tell KP doesn't like you because
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: he said with three curveball, he knows you couldn't hit
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: a curveball. This is a straight fastball. Okay, this is
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a straight fastball. Since you're into the consulting role, did
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the people putting the roof back on the trap consult
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: you about the color of the roof before they put
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: it back on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: No, I was not a part of any of those convos.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't been a Ray for a while. So they
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they It seems like they got all twenty six panels
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: up and they're gonna be up and running next year.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm pumped about that. But uh no, no, no
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: one hit me up and asked what kind of customization
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: we needed.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: They could have they could have Should it have been black?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Because you look down, you got no chance.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Hey, catching a dirty white ball on a dirty white roof.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It never got easier, but it made me. It made
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: me a better outfield. No warning track either, And uh
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I love man. That's that's my home away from the home.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: That's where I was born, I feel like in twenty fourteen,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: so that's my that's my spot man o KK this
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: was awesome, dude.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Great to have you on, great to talk and elaborate
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: on what you were writing about on social media. Good
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: luck with it and we'll obviously get progress checks, especially
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: through KP as well. Thanks for joining us.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Man, yep. Yeah, you'll be hearing back from me. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: like I said, I'm gonna let Aj Brazinski know, I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: gonna shut them up and it's gonna be a good
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: when I do.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: We're clipping that to run it back next time, please exactly.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Kratz and me spend a lot of time with AJ
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: KP a little bit too.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: We're here for it, we're clipping it. Do your thing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: We're rooting for you man. All right, sounds good. Thanks
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: for having me, guys,