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- 0:02[SPEAKER_00]: Good day and welcome to the Thursday, April the 16th, 2026 edition of the Daily Article Podcast from Dinnison Forum.
- 0:10[SPEAKER_00]: Today's Daily article was written by our co-founder, Dr. Jim Dinnison, and narrated by yours truly, Reselkins.
- 0:19[SPEAKER_00]: testimony in the camp mystic evidential hearing concluded yesterday in an Austin courtroom.
- 0:25[SPEAKER_00]: The lawsuit was brought by the family of eight-year-old seal steward who died in the July 4th to any 25-flood and whose body has not been recovered.
- 0:34[SPEAKER_00]: Her family is fighting attempts to reopen the camp until her remains are found.
- 0:39[SPEAKER_00]: Edward Eastland, a director of the rural Christian
- 0:44[SPEAKER_00]: broke down in tears in the courtroom when asked about seal.
- 0:47[SPEAKER_00]: His father, Camp Patriarch, Dick Eastland, died in the flood, as did two teenage counselors and 25 young campers.
- 0:56[SPEAKER_00]: Only seals remains are still missing.
- 0:58[SPEAKER_00]: Dick and his wife traveled with me to Israel twice.
- 1:02[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of the most gracious, loving people I have known.
- 1:05[SPEAKER_00]: I know his family is still grieving his death and that of so many in this horrific tragedy.
- 1:10[SPEAKER_00]: Nine camp-mistic families are also suing Texas officials for the deaths of their children.
- 1:16[SPEAKER_00]: Of all the kinds and categories of human suffering there are, the death of a child must rank as the worst.
- 1:23[SPEAKER_00]: For other types of pain and tragedy, we can find responses that seem reasonable, at least on paper.
- 1:30[SPEAKER_00]: You're likely familiar with these most common responses.
- 1:34[SPEAKER_00]: When we misuse our freedom, the consequences are not God's fault, but ours referencing Genesis 2 verse 17.
- 1:42[SPEAKER_00]: We experienced diseases and disasters that are the fault of the fall, not the creator, according to Romans 8 verse 22.
- 1:50[SPEAKER_00]: Satan is a roaring lion who seeks to steal and kill and destroy noted in verse 5 verse 8 and John 10 verse 10.
- 1:59[SPEAKER_00]: Suffering often leads us to rely more fully on God and thus to grow spiritually as we read in 2 Corinthians 12 vs 7 through 10.
- 2:08[SPEAKER_00]: 1 Corinthians 13 vs 12 teaches us that we will understand in the future what we cannot understand in the present.
- 2:16[SPEAKER_00]: Isaiah 43 verses 1 through 3, confirm that God walks with us through our floods and fires.
- 2:23[SPEAKER_00]: And from Romans 828, we know that our all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving father redeems all he allows for his glory and our good.
- 2:34[SPEAKER_00]: But if my granddaughter had perished at Camp Mystic and her body was never recovered, I can assure you that none of these explanations would explain her death or be sufficient for my grief.
- 2:47[SPEAKER_00]: Since my granddaughter and the rest of my family are mortal, I must face the fact that any of them could die today.
- 2:53[SPEAKER_00]: Job 1 vs 13 through 19 reveals that what happened to Job could happen to any family.
- 3:00[SPEAKER_00]: If such a tragedy were to befall us, I could do what Job's wife encouraged him to do in Job 2 verse 9, first God and die.
- 3:08[SPEAKER_00]: I could decide, as C.S.
- 3:11[SPEAKER_00]: Lewis feared he might after his wife died of cancer, the conclusion I dread is not so there is no God after all, but so this is what God's really like.
- 3:22[SPEAKER_00]: To see of yourself no longer, end quote.
- 3:24[SPEAKER_00]: Like some open theists, I could abandon my belief that God is all knowing and thus knows the future, concluding that he did not know about the Camp Mystic Flood beforehand and thus did not prevent it.
- 3:37[SPEAKER_00]: Like Rabbi Harold Kushner and many others, I could abandon my belief that God is all powerful, concluding that he does not intervene in nature and thus could not prevent the tragedy.
- 3:49[SPEAKER_00]: Like most world religions across history, I could abandon my belief that God is all loving, concluding that seal steward's death, and that of others who perished that terrible night fell outside his scope of concern.
- 4:02[SPEAKER_00]: Such conclusions have their appeal.
- 4:04[SPEAKER_00]: In some ways, it's easier psychologically to give up hope than to sustain it against all odds.
- 4:11[SPEAKER_00]: There's a part of me that would much prefer to resolve the apparent contradiction of believing in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving deity who, and the less, allows such horrific suffering in the world he created.
- 4:25[SPEAKER_00]: Upon reflection, I realized this is how I feel about the problem of all problems.
- 4:31[SPEAKER_00]: It never occurs to me to wonder if God knows all that happens or will happen or if he is omnipotent in his capacities.
- 4:40[SPEAKER_00]: When he allowed my father's heart condition and early death, my son's cancer and my grandson's leukemia, my visceral reaction was not that he did not know about their diseases or was not powerful enough to intervene.
- 4:53[SPEAKER_00]: It was the fact that for some reason, he chose not to do so, and choice speaks to character, in this case, the biblical claim that God is love from 1 John 4 verse 8.
- 5:05[SPEAKER_00]: Since my love for my family would absolutely compel me to prevent or heal their suffering, I struggle to understand why his does not.
- 5:14[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a sentiment I, as a professional minister,
- 5:20[SPEAKER_00]: but it is the truth of the situation however subliminal and visceral.
- 5:25[SPEAKER_00]: I suspect you might know what I mean.
- 5:27[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the good news.
- 5:29[SPEAKER_00]: Even when I question my father's love, he loves me so much that he welcomes my doubts according to Isaiah 1 verse 18, and speaks to my heart out of his, often in ways I could never anticipate.
- 5:42[SPEAKER_00]: I'll close with an example.
- 5:44[SPEAKER_00]: Yesterday, my wife and I went for lunch to a seafood restaurant we had not tried.
- 5:49[SPEAKER_00]: It turned out we were in the minority, the restaurant was so crowded that we had to take a table outside and share it with someone we did not know.
- 5:57[SPEAKER_00]: Our new friend was very kind, welcoming us to sit beside her.
- 6:02[SPEAKER_00]: As we began to talk, she shared some of her story with us.
- 6:06[SPEAKER_00]: What a story it is.
- 6:08[SPEAKER_00]: She was in town to take her father to his chemotherapy treatment, her husband had died of dementia two years earlier.
- 6:15[SPEAKER_00]: She has lupus and deals every day with significant symptoms and suffering, and yet the joy of the Lord was prominent in her countenance and conversation.
- 6:26[SPEAKER_00]: At one point, I asked how she was making it through these hard days.
- 6:30[SPEAKER_00]: She smiled and said, only God.
- 6:33[SPEAKER_00]: I asked why she continued to trust him despite her challenges, and she replied, because he loves you like no one else can.
- 6:42[SPEAKER_00]: She explained that people can turn on you, but he never will.
- 6:46[SPEAKER_00]: People can fail you, but he never can.
- 6:49[SPEAKER_00]: It is her decision to trust in God's love despite all she faces each day that positions her to experience that love each day.
- 6:59[SPEAKER_00]: Will you choose to make that same decision today?