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Juan on Juan | Seeing The Homunculus | Juan Ayala · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: Buildings behind me were the headquarters for the World War
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  Speaker 1: Two Office of Strategic Service. It was here that the
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  Speaker 1: first halting steps toward mind control began.
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  Speaker 2: So ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he
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  Speaker 2: made another film. There's a film about microcode called The
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  Speaker 2: Clockwork Orn.
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  Speaker 3: The Shining is one movie that has really been put
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  Speaker 3: through the ringer and one thing that people really don't notice,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie.
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  Speaker 3: What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode
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  Speaker 3: a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: anyone to know about her.
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick has several references to Freemasonry in his films.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody
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  Speaker 3: handprint on her ass.
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  Speaker 2: The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all
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  Speaker 2: through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology.
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  Speaker 3: The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest
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  Speaker 3: horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film?
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  Speaker 2: The Shining also is low to a sexual innuendo.
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  Speaker 3: The family is isolated up at the overlook, which is
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  Speaker 3: a perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to
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  Speaker 3: go down up.
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  Speaker 4: There, using mk ultra methods, psycheatrically control assassin literally a.
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  Speaker 3: Fastened experimental drugs including LSD.
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  Speaker 1: Were administered to human guineas. The patients were.
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  Speaker 3: Never told that their treatment was part.
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  Speaker 1: Of a CIA experiment.
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  Speaker 5: And there was this story which involves him spiking the
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  Speaker 5: drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olson,
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  Speaker 5: and he jumped out of a window to his death.
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  Speaker 6: It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone
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  Speaker 6: feel like they don't have any control over this etherical
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  Speaker 6: entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are
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  Speaker 6: imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for
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  Speaker 6: the action.
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  Speaker 1: The stuts.
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  Speaker 4: We know what happened in the apartment that they had.
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  Speaker 3: There are many clues that point to the fact that
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  Speaker 3: this theory of what the Shining is really about is
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  Speaker 3: the correct theory.
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  Speaker 2: We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts
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  Speaker 2: are kind of forcing a man to go off and
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  Speaker 2: kill his family. But what are we really watching here, Wendy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm home.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of Raised by Giants. We
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  Speaker 3: are Live, welcome everyone in the track to get to
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  Speaker 3: see you guys in any channel moderators and or channel
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  Speaker 3: members out there. Today we have a very exciting show
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  Speaker 3: with you guys, but first time guest one Ayala from
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  Speaker 3: the One on one podcast. We're going to be getting
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  Speaker 3: into some weird homunculous talk, which I don't even know
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  Speaker 3: what a homunculous is. I'm still trying to figure it
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  Speaker 3: out myself. So it'll be a nice journey here for
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  Speaker 3: all of us. But a really quick reminder before bring
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  Speaker 3: him on. My documentary of Clockwork Training will be released
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  Speaker 3: soon on Amazon Prime. You just watch the trailer for it,
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  Speaker 3: or listen to it, or listen to the trailer. If
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  Speaker 3: you're listening on audio only, people I guess don't really know,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe they do know, but they don't like listening
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  Speaker 3: to audio only podcasts. But the show here, the one
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  Speaker 3: literally everywhere, which is a really big deal. So if
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  Speaker 3: be uploaded over there. If you don't have time to watch,
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  Speaker 3: you can always just listen. That's what I normally do
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  Speaker 3: with any of the shows that I listen to. I
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing other things, and you can download them on
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  Speaker 3: you want to. So back to the documentary really quickly.
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  Speaker 3: The Clockwork Shining will be released soon. Keep putting in
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  Speaker 3: a Clockwork Shining into Amazon search bar. You won't see
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  Speaker 3: anything yet because it hasn't been released yet, but it
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  Speaker 3: will trigger the algorithms to push it out faster. It
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  Speaker 3: is currently in the Amazon queue to be released soon,
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  Speaker 3: and if they see that people really want to see it,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of interest in it by a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people searching for it, that will push it
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  Speaker 3: out faster. Again. When you type it in, you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to see the movie yet because it hasn't been released,
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  Speaker 3: but sometime in the near future, sometime very soon. When
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  Speaker 3: you do type in the Clockwork Shining, my documentary will
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  Speaker 3: pop up and you will be able to view it,
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  Speaker 3: and I will keep everyone updated exactly when it does
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  Speaker 3: exactly when it drops. I'm really excited about it, and
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  Speaker 3: it's just a waiting game from here on out at
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  Speaker 3: this point. But I really want you guys to see
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  Speaker 3: it as quickly as possible, and so go to Amazon
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  Speaker 3: type in the clockwork shraining. Even if you have already
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  Speaker 3: done it a bunch of times, keep doing it, and
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  Speaker 3: thank you very much. So, without further ado, we have
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  Speaker 3: with us this evening, first time guest host of the
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  Speaker 3: one on one podcast here to get weird with us
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  Speaker 3: with some Homunculous talk. One Ayala, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: How's it going, brother, tough dude. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to be here. Yeah, man, it's good to
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  Speaker 3: have you on, brother. I mean, I was on your show.
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  Speaker 3: How long ago? Was that?
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  Speaker 1: Six?
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  Speaker 3: Seven months ago? Was it that long ago? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a pretty long time ago. But one because
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  Speaker 3: I actually watched the movie Homunculous on Netflix. You proud
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  Speaker 3: of me, brother. I did work in some research for
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  Speaker 3: this show.
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  Speaker 1: Was it after listening to me on Chris Is show?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I wanted to get a which I already knew
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  Speaker 3: a little bit about, you know what you talk about
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  Speaker 3: with the homunculus and all that. But yeah, I listened
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  Speaker 3: to I listened to that show and then I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting when I watched it, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, it was kind of weird. It was a
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  Speaker 3: very interesting concept for the people that have no idea
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  Speaker 3: what a homunculus is, which I didn't know until I
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  Speaker 3: started looking into it more. Can you break it down
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  Speaker 3: for the audience, because from my understanding, there's a few
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  Speaker 3: different definitions for what it actually is, and one is
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  Speaker 3: an artificial human like being that could possibly be created
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  Speaker 3: through some sort of alchemical process and you can put
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  Speaker 3: a human soul into it. But in the medical sense,
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  Speaker 3: it's a very real thing, an anatomy in which the
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  Speaker 3: homunculus is some sort of a map along the subrib
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  Speaker 3: ral cortex where each body part of the is like
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  Speaker 3: all connected in the spine, which basically connects our whole
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  Speaker 3: body to our brain to tell us what to do
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  Speaker 3: to be able to move around each body part. But
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  Speaker 3: I guess first tell the people a little bit about
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  Speaker 3: yourself and then what you got into the homuncular stuff,
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  Speaker 3: since it's your first.
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  Speaker 1: Time on So I'm host of the Whole on One podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and I started the show back in twenty nineteen as
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  Speaker 1: a way of when I stopped living with my grandma,
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  Speaker 1: that I stopped going to church. After going to church
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  Speaker 1: for so many years, I figured out I found the Gnostics.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like, wait a minute, So all
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  Speaker 1: the stories I've been told are inverted in these other books,
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  Speaker 1: So how do I know that the one that I'm listen,
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  Speaker 1: the one that I believed all my life, is the
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  Speaker 1: right one. And so that kind of sort of opened
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  Speaker 1: up a whole can of worms for me, and I've
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  Speaker 1: been going at it ever since. On my show, I
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  Speaker 1: mostly focus on the esoteric and the occult. I talk
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  Speaker 1: a lot about alchemy, and the homunculus is one of
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  Speaker 1: these things where it's like I can't tell you if
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  Speaker 1: it's real or not. I can just show you the
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  Speaker 1: evidence of all these people who talked about it, and
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  Speaker 1: similar concepts throughout history that have kind of resembled the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. But the thing is that today, in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty first century, we have such thing. They're creating. They're
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  Speaker 1: growing animals and artificial matrixes. There is in vitro fertilization.
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  Speaker 1: They're talking about clones, artificial embryos, and the gray area
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  Speaker 1: with that So could these alchemists of antiquity or either
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  Speaker 1: people before them, replicate the conditions in order to house
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  Speaker 1: a humanoid or something for you know, a short period
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  Speaker 1: of time. Perhaps, maybe right if you believe in evolution.
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  Speaker 1: According to mainstream history, we all came from a primordial soup.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean that wouldn't be too far fetch. You're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the early scientist of their time in a
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  Speaker 1: lab trying to concoct this thing. But essentially, the official
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  Speaker 1: term homunculus was coined by Felipas Arielis, thea fastist bombassist
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  Speaker 1: von Hohenheim in the sixteenth century, also known Chris.
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  Speaker 3: That's a long ass name. How did you memorize that shit?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so many hours into this, bro. Paracelsus is short,
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  Speaker 1: and he's the father of toxicology. He helped, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the dose makes the poison. He also helped invent anesthesia.
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  Speaker 1: He and a lot of the things that he used
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  Speaker 1: back in the sixteenth century we used today. So not
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  Speaker 1: only was he a very devout alchemist, but he was
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  Speaker 1: also helping in the field of medicine and really helped
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  Speaker 1: set the standard for he was so ahead of his time.
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  Speaker 1: But again he was a bit of an eccentric character,
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  Speaker 1: the mad scientist archetype, and he they attribute this text
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  Speaker 1: the naturer realm. Some scholars will argue it to pseudo
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  Speaker 1: Paracelsian texts, and pseudopigraphy back then was these texts that
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  Speaker 1: we would be written under a sort of pen name,
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  Speaker 1: but the pen name would be Plato or Galen or
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  Speaker 1: Aristotle or Paracelsus or xyz, And that was kind of
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  Speaker 1: sort of to give it some respect and also to
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  Speaker 1: hide the identity of the real person. Who really knows.
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  Speaker 1: But in this particular text, the first mention of the
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  Speaker 1: homunculus was found, and essentially was a recipe. You take
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  Speaker 1: your seed, you put it in a jar, and you
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  Speaker 1: incubate it for forty days in some horse manure, and
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  Speaker 1: in forty days you're gonna have this little entity, this
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  Speaker 1: little man, a homunculus, which is Latin for little man
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  Speaker 1: or miniature human within this vessel. And because this thing
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  Speaker 1: came from alchemy, from al chemical means, it is this
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  Speaker 1: liminal creature that exists between both realms, the magic and
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  Speaker 1: the real. So you're then able to use this little
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  Speaker 1: magical man for any magical means. So there's entire grim
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  Speaker 1: wars that predate Paracelsus that talk about similar concepts on
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  Speaker 1: how to extract god like powers from this thing or
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  Speaker 1: use it to acquire god like powers. Now that sounds
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  Speaker 1: super far fetched, but who knows. I mean, it's all about,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, we're doing it nowadays. It's how many
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  Speaker 1: p Hall said that the alchemists of antiquity and the
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  Speaker 1: scientists of today, the only thing that distinguishes them is
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  Speaker 1: that one has a lab coat four walls in a building,
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  Speaker 1: and the other one was in a cave, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in front of his furnace for x amount of time
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  Speaker 1: per day. So that's an that's a homunculous. According to
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  Speaker 1: the alchemical homunculus, it's an artificially created entity through the
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  Speaker 1: use of alchemy, to which then you can use to
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  Speaker 1: It's the utility knife of alchemy of the occult. You
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  Speaker 1: can use it for to become impervious to pain, to
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  Speaker 1: see demons, to become invisible, to grow trees, to drive
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  Speaker 1: someone insane. You can use it for whatever. And again
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  Speaker 1: there's entire grimoars, tomes of books that are just of
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  Speaker 1: recipes on how to create it and then what to
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  Speaker 1: do with it after the fact. And when I stumbled
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  Speaker 1: across this, it just opened up a whole rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: And like how you said it is the term is
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  Speaker 1: used in psychology, it is used in the medical field.
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  Speaker 1: And how you're saying, it's a neurological map of how
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  Speaker 1: the brain sees the body, but the cortex man that
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  Speaker 1: everyone sees. As you heard me on Chris's show, that's
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  Speaker 1: actually an incorrect representation of the homunculous. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: we all have a homunculus in ourselves which is overlaid
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  Speaker 1: on our brain. It would be more of a monstrosity
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  Speaker 1: or a blob of some kind if we were actually
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  Speaker 1: to put it down on paper how the brain perceives
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  Speaker 1: your body. So it kind of ties into the movie Homunculus,
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  Speaker 1: which I wouldn't really say that it does the alchemical
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  Speaker 1: homunculous justice you watch the movie, which is a lot
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  Speaker 1: different than the manga. The manga is way more in depth, like,
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  Speaker 1: way more in depth, and it reveals a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: But essentially, I think what they were trying to do
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  Speaker 1: was they were tapping into various aspects of paracels and cosmology.
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  Speaker 1: Where Paracelsus talked about he talked about a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: He also coined the term gnomes, dwarf, silphs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: any really any elementals. He coined all those words, and
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  Speaker 1: they were he always talked about when man is depressed
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  Speaker 1: or has negative thoughts or ideas about himself, he will
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  Speaker 1: essentially attach an entity to himself, like to his astral body.
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  Speaker 1: So in the movie Homunculous the twenty twenty one I
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  Speaker 1: think or twenty nineteen or something of that, in that
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  Speaker 1: movie True One, something like that. In that movie, everyone's
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  Speaker 1: inner darkest traumas, they're the homuncula and then you're only
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  Speaker 1: able to see them if you've if you're clairvoyant, or
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  Speaker 1: if you've had this trepanation or trephanation procedure done on
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  Speaker 1: you right, you cover your left, ah, you know, Illuminati,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're able to see into this other realm,
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  Speaker 1: but at the cost that they come onto you. So
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  Speaker 1: you're able to extract these entities off of people, but
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  Speaker 1: then they attach themselves to you. And ultimately it's about
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  Speaker 1: a journey on discovering your true self. And again, if
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  Speaker 1: you read the manga, because I'm gonna be doing a
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  Speaker 1: whole breakdown of it for my show in Depth, you
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  Speaker 1: you see the darkness of like really peering into the
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  Speaker 1: abyss and the main character and how he goes through
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  Speaker 1: this whole transmutation. In the movie, they kind of invert
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  Speaker 1: the the medical student guy forget his name as the
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  Speaker 1: evil guy, but in reality it was the main character
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  Speaker 1: who was evil all along, but in the movie they
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  Speaker 1: invert that. So it's completely different.
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  Speaker 2: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: There's a point in the movie where it's like falling
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  Speaker 1: the manga, and then after the yakuza part, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with the robot, it just completely just goes like a
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  Speaker 1: separate way and it's like a completely different story. So
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  Speaker 1: if you really want to get into it, you got
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  Speaker 1: to read the manga.
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  Speaker 3: Now, bro, have you ever watched a Full Metal Alchemist?
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it's my favorite.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing anime is one of the best animal well, Full
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  Speaker 3: Metal Alchemist's Brotherhood, I think is in the top three
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  Speaker 3: best animes of all time. But that's what it kind
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  Speaker 3: of reminded me of because you have Likemunculus's Amunculi would
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  Speaker 3: be the proper term, and you have like chimeras, and
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  Speaker 3: they did a lot of chimera stuff in Full Metal Alchemists. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when you think of like, because we know that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of religious texts and a lot of ancient texts
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  Speaker 3: are filled with allegories and metaphors and things that don't
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  Speaker 3: actually mean they what you think that they actually mean.
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  Speaker 3: They're not face value. Have you seen anything with you know,
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  Speaker 3: researching the homunculus that may point toward that it's not
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  Speaker 3: a literal thing that they're doing, but more of a
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  Speaker 3: metaphorical thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, And that's the thing when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of these ancient occult texts, where to
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  Speaker 1: the initiated they mean one thing, and to the uninitiated
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  Speaker 1: they mean something completely different. My problem with the whole
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  Speaker 1: all chemical thing, which it was a secret society, it
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  Speaker 1: was a secret group that was trying to withhold disinformation
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  Speaker 1: from from the masses, is the imagery that they use.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem with let's say that I read it
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  Speaker 1: and I'm seeing all this grotesque stuff and it gets
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  Speaker 1: really wild, bro Like, it gets wild, like try and
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  Speaker 1: find the biggest dog fallacy you could find and beat
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  Speaker 1: a col carcass with it. Like that's a very vivid image. Now,
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  Speaker 1: could that be used as a mnemonic device to remember
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  Speaker 1: something else, like an actual ingredient? Absolutely, the idea of
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  Speaker 1: the homunculous as a normonic device, as a sort of
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  Speaker 1: mind palace. I love that idea because the weirder when
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  Speaker 1: you do the mind palace technique, right, the r of memory,
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  Speaker 1: the weirder the imagery, the more you retain it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it could have absolutely been encoded in this imagery.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is that the guys who aren't initiated, who
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  Speaker 1: are reading these texts, they're gonna take it for face
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  Speaker 1: value and they're gonna do exactly what these guys are doing,
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  Speaker 1: and who knows again if they get results or not.
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  Speaker 1: I have. I'll show you a book I forget the
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  Speaker 1: name of it Israel Regardi and the Philosopher's Stone or
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  Speaker 1: something like that by Joseph Lezuski. I forgot. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to say his last name. But in this book,
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  Speaker 1: which was written in the seventies, I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: somewhere along those lines. I'll send you the book is
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  Speaker 1: actually a really great book and the way he writes,
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  Speaker 1: and it was about the Paracelsus Society research society over
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  Speaker 1: in on the West coast somewhere. Anyways, there was this
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  Speaker 1: one guy who the main professor there tried to get
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  Speaker 1: him to create a homunculus, and we're talking about either
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  Speaker 1: the eighties or nineties, and he documents that he actually
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  Speaker 1: tried to do it. And again it's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: source trust me, bro, right, Like, oh, and did you
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  Speaker 1: take pictures of it? I didn't take pictures of it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's like the problem when it comes to all
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  Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. How you're saying a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these ancient texts, did you, bro We're still arguing about
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  Speaker 1: whether Jesus Christ exists or not. Like we're still talking
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  Speaker 1: about that till this day in twenty twenty four. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Like a lot of these things,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: we only have documentation of them. But the fact, like,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: for example, what I love about not religion but mythology itself,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: because you mentioned chimeras, is the fact that it's been
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: documented as far as we know, you know, as far
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: back as what the epic of Gilgamesh in that whole story.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So even if it is what I call fake and gay,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: because it could possibly be one hundred percent fake, there's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: something there, you know, there's a reflection of all of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: humanity as far back as we know. Right, the stuff
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that they that they've shown us that had an interest
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in this that had a significance to them. Right, So
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: again same goes for aliens or whatever. Like you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: because we're always all in these rabbit holes trying to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: find out, like the truth? Was it real? Like I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: get that answer all the time. Do you think the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: homuncuess is real? Are they cloning animals and growing them
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in artificial matrixes today? Yeah? Do I think it was
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a possibility? Maybe once or two, maybe one or two
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: guys right out of the hundreds that were doing this,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that got it right for one second and grew something
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like a blob or something. Maybe it wasn't a little Yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: maybe right if you if you do something that many times?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Am I to do? These guys back then they had all
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the time in the world. They were They talk about Folconelly,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: You maybe follow the story of Folconelly, the immortal alchemists.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: They talk about their their clothes in the front or
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: even Paracelsus, they talked about this, Their clothes in their
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: in the front would become discolored from the heat of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the furnace because they were laboring every day in front
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of this furnace trying to come up with the philosopher's stone,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: which right, full metal Alchemist is the whole thing. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: then right, they have the homunculus in there, and I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: think that the full metal Alchemist cosmology, to me, that's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the most accurate representation of how I see society. Now,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the homunculus are at the top, which are all these
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: people who are we know that it's a bunch of nepotism,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and they're all bred to be in politics and bred
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to be celebrities. They all keep it within the royal
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: blood line. And the homunculus has gotten broken down as
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: simple as make sure this person is born this day
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: at this time. And we know that all the elites
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and all these celebrities they do syrogacy. Which I'm not
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: saying that babies are herm I call my kids homunculous.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: But that's besides the point. But the point that it's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: broken down to that like oh, to the astrological alignment
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of xyz and then you had Parsons, right, doesn't take
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a rocket scientist where I literally did, right, this guy
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: who believed in this because of the works of crow Lea,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: because even Croley wrote about this in the early nineteen hundreds,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: but it was simplified. He talked about the al chemical homunculus.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But he's like, I'm going to introduce my own version
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and then again whether they succeeded or not, who knows.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: You have the whole babylon Working Ritual with al Ron
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Hubbard and Jack Parsons, and we know the whole story
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: there and everything that came forth from that. But yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: back to the original question, like the whole fact of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: could it have been shrouded? Yeah, but then we'd have
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to go back into you know, some alchemists believe that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: all of Greek history was actually all chemical recipes encoded
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in different stories of different gods and goddesses and things
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of that nature. So it's like, I can't tell you,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm still researching her.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Bro It's just like having like a secret recipe, you
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like normally when people like read,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: like they if they you know, write a cookbook or
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: if they write some kind of family recipe down like
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: more times than that they leave out a few things
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: like on purpose, you know what I mean. So it's
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: kind of like the they're giving you the thing to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: kind of get the basis of the meal correct, but
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: they've taken a few of the ingredients out so you'll
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: never get it to the exact point to where they did,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's like a thing
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: that I think has happened with a lot of the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: occult stuff, like they're not going to directly tell you
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: how to do any of this stuff like they're going
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: to have they're gonna take a few things out. They're
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: going to take the really important, maybe the last ingredient
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: of the thing that you need out of the manual
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: on how to do it, which ultimately hides the true knowledge.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: And I was actually looking into the homuncular stuff, doing
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit of research on it, and one article
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: said that you that you do need like a philosopher's
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: stone or something like that in order to animate this
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: homunculus that you make.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's like, well, who who's created
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the philosopher's stone? Well, that's the magnum opus, right, Like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that's the that's the cream of the crop. That is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the what they all were striving for. And it just
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: so happened that all the guys who created the philosopher's stone,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: well they dissolved out of reality, So good luck asking
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: them right how they created So it's very convenient as
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to how or why, But no, I'm with you on that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And the whole thing with the Occult, it feels like
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: everyone's tapping into something and by something you know, you
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: can call it energy or you can call it I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if i'd call it God. But you're tapping
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: into something. I always use the reference of the Sith
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and the Jediither're tapping into the forest. But how you
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: use it is ultimately up to the user. You can
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: use it for good, how you can use it for evil.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's why I call it a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: technology like the occult or maybe alchemy in a sense,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: because you're tapping into something that's already available. It doesn't
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: matter how necessarily how you do it, as long as
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you follow certain steps right. So that's why there's the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in alchemy, you have the flammarian path or the Paracelsian path,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the dry path, wet path. There's different paths of alchemy
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: which you're able to. At the end of those paths
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is the same thing, the magnum opus, the Philosopher's stone,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: which then you can either snort it or use it
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to create hormunculus, or maybe both, like who knows, right
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and That's why I call alchemy like the utility knife,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: because they had all the bases covered. You want unlimited money, cool,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: unlimited amounts of gold once you make this thing. Oh well,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: what if you make too much money? You're not going
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to live forever? No, we got you covered. Boom, elixir
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of immortality. I was like, okay, well, you know I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: getting kind of old. I want to renew myself. Well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: there you go. You got the rebus or or something
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: like that. And then it's like, well, what does everyone
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: want to do? You know, you want to become a god.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So here, let's make this artificial life. And in my opinion,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think that the true magnum opus was creating that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: homunculus because with the homunculus, you could bro you could
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: essentially do everything like there's again, you become visible, impervious
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to pain, you can do see spirits, see into the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: astro realm, whatever. And then if you want to chill
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: with your homunculus, you let it grow into old age.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And again, according to Paracelsus, they become mythical beings. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it can become a giant or a dwarf or a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: goblin or something. And then you just set it free.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So it's like, is this where cryptids come from? You know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: like it ties into all these other realms. If you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: think of a leprechaun, what's a leprechaun? A little minuture
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: man that they still go, don't they like? What are eleprecrons?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: What do lepercuns? Do? They keep you away from the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: gold or you follow them anyways, old alchemy, little man homunculus,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: So it really and also you mentioned chimeras. There was
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: also recipes on how to create cameras. So there was
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: this guy, Javier Binhayan who I talked that he made
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the Humunk Tissering machine, and it was this machine that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: was a bunch of spears and had a cast in
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the center of it in the shape of, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a miniature humanoid figure. And he'd loaded up, you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: with the bodily fluids in there, some blood blah blah blah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and then they'd spin it around because they believe that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this motion would attract a soul or spirit and they
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: spin it around, right, this thing is turning. And this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: guy talked about creating homunculous but also creating chimeras. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you know, a human with a bird body or a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: fish with a bird body or xyz because they started
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: mixing other stuff in there too. It's like, well, if
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I can do this with human seed, what happens if
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I put birds seed in human blood in there? And
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, again, all of that could be code for
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: something else. But I promise you because I know of people, bro,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: who are taking these texts and doing what the text
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: say word for word. They're not trying to decipher what
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the meaning is behind. It was like, I wonder what
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: this recipe is linked to, this word links to this
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: other recipe. Now they're following it word for word, trying
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to do exactly what these texts say.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: And then you end up with a freaking dog with
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a drafte neck or something some weird shit.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see the videos I'm sure you've seen
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: them on Twitter and stuff like that of like the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the the goats with like the one eye, like the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: cyclop ghosts, or like the fish with like the human
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: face on it. I'm sure you've seen those.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I think they're fake. Yeah, they there are some, I
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: mean some of some things. I not that you've seen
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: the double headed snake ones those are yeah, I mean,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: frogs get weird mutations like three eyes and like really
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: weird stuff. But I think that that's probably from like
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: some kind of chemical mutation from us dumping like chemical
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: waste into the rivers and into the lakes and shit,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: it's just messing with the animals and messing with the fish,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: which is a big possibility.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Which is alchemy, bro. I mean, it's it's where you're
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: dumping chemicals. That's that's what these guys were doing back then.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: They were messing around with chemicals, trying to find the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: right reaction for whatever they were trying to do. And
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: again there's hundreds of accounts of this, and that's what
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: really draws me to alchemy, where it's it's not only
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: is it multi dimensional, but it's it has all these
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You can focus on alchemy and be like, Okay, well,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the guy who invented porcelain, right, was trying to actually
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: create the philosopher's stone, and he accidentally created them multi
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: billion or trillion dollar industry from from his interest in alchemy. Right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: So it's like this guy trying to do an alchemical
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: woo woo thing actually created something useful. Now that that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: a bad example, but point being like the guy, you know, Leibniz,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the follower of the binary code. He was also going
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: around Europe trying to collect stories of transmutations. He was
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: super interested in that. And Isaac Newton, right, Isaac Newton,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And again that's if you follow what the mainstream history
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: says about these guys, how many are made up? I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't really focus on any of that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: because once you start looking at things in that lens,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it's all fake and it's all gang. You can't believe
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: anything because it's like, you know, you get what I'm saying,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: like you what is it black pilling? Where it's like,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: oh no, none of this matters. Well, you got to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you gotta have a base for something, and then you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: can slowly start earning the rocks over as you go.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Was Isaac Newton faking gay? Maybe? But point being, whoever
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Isaac Newton was was interested in alchemy, was interested in
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the Temple of Solomon, was interested in the apocalypse, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: there's all these documents. He even questioned chronology too. He
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was looking at chronology as well and was like, hey,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: these these times aren't adding up. Now. I'm on board
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: with a lot of things have been manipulated because you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and I were talking about like remembering dreams, Well, try
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to remember yesterday and the waking state. I probably, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: right now, I would have to sit down and be like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: all right, I did this, this and this. I look
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: at history like that where it's like, hey, hey listen, dude,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta span here. We don't know what
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to put just just fill it in, dude.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that makes sense. But I think that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: with people in their like regular everyday lives, they're so
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: complacent with their reality that it's difficult for them to
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: remember the simplest of things and what they actually did.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: They only tend to remember really dramatic things like you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: when something goes wrong or when something or the opposite
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: end of the spectrum, when something makes them really happy,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: they'll remember that. But it's something that is like in
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: every day type of event. I can remember what I
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: did yesterday, but the day before that, so it's getting
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit blurry, you know what I mean. Like
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know, I think that I did this,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I think that I did that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I understand what you're saying, And they definitely
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: filled in a bunch of gaps, but you're right in
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: saying that it's a very dangerous ideology to have, which
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: has really been has just engulfed this community. Is what
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: you're talking about, this black pil thing, which I just
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: call nihilism, that's what it is. And people are so
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: nihilistic to the point that it's just it's going to
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: cause way more problems than actually believing in something. And
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the nihilism has gotten so bad that people don't think
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that anything is real and that is not a good
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: way to live your life. And I've been trying to
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: tell people that for a really long time. But the
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: problem is one is that there's been so much garbage
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and so much stuff that's been pushed on these people
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: that they're kind of like, well, I just don't believe
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: anything anymore. You know, Well, if this is a lie,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: and that's a lie, then everything must be a lie.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: But that's not the truth either. Like the same amount
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: of times that you think are lies, there's also truths
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: in there as well. They're all mixed in, And I
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: really don't think that there's as many lies as people
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: claim that there is. They're just telling you a truth
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: in a way that you might not accept or might
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not want to actually understand, or that you can't compute
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: in your brain, so therefore you think that it's a lie.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm on board with you one hundred percent.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: It's like just because you don't understand it doesn't make
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it fake like it's it. But here's the problem with nowadays,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: especially right, so you know, to use the homunculous as
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: a reference. We have all these stories of these alchemists
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: creating this artificial entity and then what they do with
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: it after the fact. Right, we have the the product, right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the effect, and then we all start to wonder about
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the cause. So, for example, you have the attempt on right,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: DJT or whatever they call him, right, the not to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make the algorithm pick anything up,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying. Right, the attempt, we had,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that event happen, We had something happen, and then the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: is behind it. That's where people go crazy about it
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, well it was this, it was that,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And then you mix in all this ai bs nowadays
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: that we have where listened, I've been a victim being
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a researcher. Sometimes you're skimming a lot of things, like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you're boom boom boom boom. You know you're going, going, going,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and you might look at something really quickly and not realize.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And I've fallen for a couple like AI pictures, like
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and not in the sense of like here
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I pushed it to a bunch of people. It's like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: oh damn, I got it wrong. It's like it took
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: me a few minutes to realize that it's fake or whatever.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And it's only getting better and better and better. And
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I had this astrology on my show not too long ago,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: probably two years now, and they were telling me that
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: something about the age of Saturn approaching or something or other,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I don't really believe in astrology, but
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: whatever it was approaching in that one Saturn was here
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that we would not believe, that people would not believe
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: their eyes right, that where people would start to question
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: their reality. And it seems like we're there now with
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: people questioning. Even if you were to give them the
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: evidence of something, they'd straight up deny it. And a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna deny evidence just based on
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the fact that the mainstream or whatever is telling them
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: because there's a group of people who want to just
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: do the opposite, regardless of what the facts are, regardless
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of what the information says. That's just how some people
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: are wired, bro. And like there's no getting around that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: some people are if they said the world, if NASA
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: started to say the world was flat, they'd say it's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: round because all the other planets are around. You know.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: It's like they want to go against whatever the mainstream
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: is to really stick it to them, you know, to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: really show them that their rebellion is and that they
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: can think for themselves.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Right, that's absolutely correct, that is and uh correct, and
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: those those types of people. But the thing is is,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: like what is the root cause of that? Why did
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: we develop this type of like what you said, like
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: people wanting to go against whatever it is that is
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: being pushed out. And eventually that's what I meant by
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: eventually the everyone thinking that everything is fake and staged
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and it is all a part of a grand plan,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: a grand stage of you know, there are as, it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: it's our retuals, there's a Illuminati retroal see the thirty three,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the checkerboard floor. But eventually that's going to get to
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the point where it's going to swing the opposite direction.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: And this is what I've been trying to because right
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: now is an amazing time to be alive. I freaking
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: love it. I think it's great. But the alternative media
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: and the conspiracy community and that in what people are
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: calling the truth or community, has now been come the
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: mainstream media. They've they've switched. It's bled over so bad.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: But they're not right either. That's the other problem. They're
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: they are also wrong and uh, and we're just getting
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: a bunch of nonsense. And then it's exactly like the
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: me I just made a post on Facebook earlier about this.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: If if you go against what the mainstream media says,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you're an alternative person. But then then if you go
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: against what the alternative media people are saying, then you're
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: like outcast. You don't belong to anybody, You're just on
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: an island all on your own, and you get attacked
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: and criticized and ridiculed. Then But what happens one when
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the mainstream media is the alternative community? Do we swing
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: back the opposite way? Like I don't understand the end game.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I don't understand what these people actually want and and
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: what it seems like they want is they want a
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: some sort I'm not going to say the full word,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: but some sort of nWo, because that's the only way
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: that things are going to change. Like, if you stop
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: believing in the presidency, if you stop believing in uh
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: any form of governance, the only other option for you
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: is some form of nWo. That's it, and that's what
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: you're going to get. And it's just like mind blowing, dude,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Like if you go against what the alternative community says,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: then then you're no better than a mainstream UH normy.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I've gotten called a normy, a disinformationalist, a misinformationalist, fed
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: all the time just for for common sense and critical
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: thinking and saying what other people are too afraid to say,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: especially within the community.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And it's unbelievable that wil I don't call it a community.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I call it a space. And and and the space
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: is a little retarded because what ends up happening is
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you have the space, and then you have a bunch
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: of reality tunnels shooting out from that one thing, right,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and then if you're in a certain reality tunnel and
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you don't start to echo back what they're saying right
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: this echo chamber, then that's when you're the fed. But
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: as you all right, Bro, did the Illuminati make you
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: choke on your drink?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Bro, they got me dood bent Burtspy And I
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: think so much for becoming a writer ranger channel member.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you a lot. You're helping your.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: For his life.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Right now they're trying to take me out.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Help you know what I'm saying, like once you start
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: not echoing back what they're saying. Like, I went on
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: this show the other day and it was because I'm
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: in Florida. Right, I've been in Floridian pretty much all
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: my left. I was born in Puerto Rico, moved over
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: here when I was seven years old. I've been through
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: my fair share of hurricane hurricanes, right. And hurricanes are
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: in the ancient cosmology of the tiny people, which is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the indigenous people of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean, and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: all that they knew hurricanes spin during the time of
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the indigenous people? Did they think that the Illuminati sent
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: these hurricanes hurling towards them? Who was sending them then
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: a thousand years ago?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And like now I went on this podcast that were
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: doing about the hurricane and everything is a conspiracy and
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I go, well, sometimes things just line up the way
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: they are because life reality, in my opinion, is mystical,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: is mythical. It's it's amazing. So when things line up,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: they just line up sometimes, right, And I questioned, I said,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: for one seme, I'm just asking a question, for one second,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: what if because this group likes to talk about how
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: they create hurricanes, right, and they're manipulating the weather and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: all this, But you don't believe in global warming, So
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: is global warming real? I mean they've been saying the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: exact thing that is happening now. They've been saying it
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: for the last fifty years, that storms are gonna get
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: bigger and they're gonna get stronger. And then this x
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: y Z. I live in Florida, Bro. You know, I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: was saying, I live in the state that that gets
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: hit the most of the hurricanes, so I know a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: little bit about it. And it's like I got so cooked, bro.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And there was a thousand people watching that day, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the comments just went just berserk. Bro. Just again, any
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: because I questioned, and and I presented a you know,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a mainstream thing like maybe they're right about global warming.
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: No, it's a ritual because of the Jamatria says this,
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: and they're trying to steer it towards the was it
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: the lithium mines.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Which was all created by Alex Jones. Alex Jones started
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: all of that, started with the lithium and stuff and uh,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: the crystal mind stuff. Like literally, it's so I've mentioned
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: it several times on the show, Like people will literally
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: just watch Alex Jones in the morning.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: On the way to work, just getting just blasted.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: All the time. But Alex Jones does this thing now
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: where he doesn't like outright say things right. He'll be like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: and all the Horricyan was was there's gonna be a
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: five point oh horrorc cran and uh as one of
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: the biggest Hurricans we've ever seen on the face of
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: the planet. And then he'll bring out documents and be like,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: they also have problems for weather modificat He doesn't street
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: he has the people that are listening to him put
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: two and two together. He doesn't outright say that this
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: is what it I will. He makes people put it
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: together and then they push it out and then they.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Pair it him and then genius it is genius.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I mean. But that's the way that he does it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And that's the way he's done it since the Sandy
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Hook nonsense, because he got in trouble for coming out
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: and out right saying, you know that all this stuff,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: so he switched it up. He doesn't come out and
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: alright say anything anymore. He lets people put two and
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: two together so that he has plausible deniability and he
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: can say, oh, I didn't say that. Yeah, all these
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: other people said that. All my listeners and all my
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: people on x UH started to.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Say back to all we were talking about, though, dude,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: where oh you think that this text is encoded? Yeah? Probably,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But then that those guys, those people you're talking about,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the regular people who hear it and go, wait, all
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I have to do is just follow these instructions, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I could have uh, you know, sour del homunculus all right,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: build your own build a bear, build a build a
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: home Unculus. Right, I'm gonna start that store. But instead
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: of building to build a home unkus now chemical lab, bro,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be making homunkilous for people. But those
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: same people that are that are taking whatever you're saying
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and interpret it their own way, those are the same guys, right,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It like it's the same concept where they're taking information,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: they're processing it how they will, even if it wasn't
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: meant to say that. Now, obviously with Alex Jones, it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a different thing because and this
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is what I call these, you know, mimetic magicians. These
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: are guys that know, right, So when you take a meme, right,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and to me, this is the actual warfare what they're using.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Now it can be a cult or not, but whatever.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: You take a piece of information which is a meme
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and a meme and not a meme by like you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: know the square pictures that too, that also works, But
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a meme is the smallest form of information, right, And
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you take that meme and you inject it into the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: into the society, right, you're injecting it to create what culture.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: So these guys they're literally taking like, look at the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: whole Alex Jones is a walking talking meme, dude. I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: mean how many like the whole frogs thing or you
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: mentioned the frogs that that's to mean his whole when
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: he was on Rogan that that was a meme. And
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it's like, these guys are the true magicians where they're
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: able to shift culture people and have entire zeitegeist, you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: of information be just washed over people all because he
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: gets in front of a mic and starts, he's a character, dude,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: He's he's a he's a homunculus bro. Like you know Alex.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: There's Alex Jones, the character of the Home Monkeys, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: there's Alex Jones and the guy he's on the radio.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, or this personality he puts out, that's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the homunculus and that's who does his dirty work. And
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: that's why I call mimetic magicians. Now, if you want
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: to take that in the occult sense or not, you
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: can if you want, because I also think that there
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is some occult connotations there. As far as the manipulation
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: of attention. We know that attention now is a very
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: hot commodity, and they figured out a way to maximize
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that attention of people. That's why people there's a lot
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: of there's a lot of majority of people who don't
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: listen to long format content right. And I even find
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: myself too if I want to learn about something and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I pick and I YouTube it and I go, I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: want to learn about X y Z. You know, for example,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Elden Ring Loure, you know, let's use something dumb, right,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Like I want to learn about the low of elden Ring.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit to this twelve hour video.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Let me click this other one that sums it all
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: up in a minute. And that's all society on TikTok,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Twitter and all these different places where they're so fried. Bro,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: They're so fied because.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Short, short, little snippets of quick little information that gets
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: into the consciousness of people, and then people go out
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: and spread it and and not check to see if
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: it was real or not. And then that's how all
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the images that you were talking about, that the AI
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: generated images, that's how they all get shared around. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I've even seen commercials, dude, straight up commercials for really
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: big companies, because I have Hulu with ads. Dude, I
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: hate the streaming services with ads, bro, so freaking bad.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: But Hulu without ads is ridiculously expensive. It's like eighteen
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: ninety nine. Yeah, it's stupid. But Hulu is the worst
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: with ads because they do it so frequently, and they
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: do so many of them in a row, and you
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: can't skip them. It's not like you two, you can't.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: You can't skip the ads on Hulu Okay, it's like
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a minute in the freaking half, sometimes three minutes of
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: ads back to back. But I've seen AI just straight
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: up AI generated ads. But it's so similar and really
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: close to what looks like reality. And that's the other
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: thing that I try and tell people about. I'm like, listen,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: we're just now getting this type of AI technology given
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: to the public. We know that they've had this for
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: a really, really long time. Who knows how much of
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: our music that's come out in the past thirty years
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: has been all AI generated. Who knows how much commercials
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: and movies and TV shows have had god AI special
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: effects on that.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Well, did you see thet sorry to cut you off?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: The Netflix documentary? It was a it was a true
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: crime documentary where they used AI pictures of the girl
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: in the documentary and people were like, and I saw
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the documentary and I was going to talk about it
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: on a show, and then I looked up, like the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: documentary and it was like Netflix caught putting in AI
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: and then they showed the pictures, which I again, you know,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and sometimes these documents they just flashed the picture boom
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and then it's out. So they they had it the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: in the article, and you could tell like the fingers
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: were all like you know, merged together and all messed up,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and like the eyeballs weren't right, like the pupil wasn't right.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: It was due to It was straight up AI. And they
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: used it in this Netflix documentary, bro. And they're the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: top of the you know, Netflix, the the number one
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: streaming services Netflix, and here they are producing this documentary
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and putting in AI generated pictures in it. So how
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: far back does it go? Right? Like it's it's.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Definitely goes really far back. It's it's unbelievable. And then
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: another thing with the community, I don't want to harp
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: on this too much. I do want to get back
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: to the homuncular stock because I've just talked about it
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: of exhausted to this end. But another thing about the
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: community is that they like to move on from something
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: so quickly, right, like the weather modification and the hurricane
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: thing was like huge for a week and now it's
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: not anywhere. It's just gone right, and there's really not exactly.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: But you would think if something is real and you
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: actually believe in it, you're not gonna you're not going
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: to stop talking about it. But it's like it's exactly
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: like the mainstream news, like they'll pop up one story
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: and then the next minute it's another story. It's just
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: a longer version of what the mainstream media does in
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: the alternative community. And thank you, Hella appreciate that. It
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: means a lot to me because I get so much
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: shit so often, so thank you for that amazing comment.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: But it's like people don't want to go back and
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: actually check any of the stuff. Like I just found
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: this article today here, I'm gonna bring it up really quickly,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: like because they're saying all of the like it was
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: about lithium and all that, which I said in the
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: very beginning that North Carolina is not the largest lithium
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: deposits in the United States. Why would they do that?
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. And it turns out it's
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: not because the us a GS just finds enough lithium
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: to meet the annual demand nine times over, okay, and
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: it's not in North Carolina. The United States Geological Survey
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: and the Arkansas Department of Energy Environments off of the
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: state of Geologists have discovered the vast lithium reserve containing
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: nine times the International Energy Agencies projection for global lithium
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: demand for electric vehicles in twenty thirty. A relic of
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: an anciency that left in extensive and formidable poress and
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: permittable limestone geologic and smackover formation extends under the parts
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: of Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida and could
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: contain between five and nineteen million tons of lithium reserves.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: So there you go. Why would they need to take
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: out a small freaking town or what wasn't small? But
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: why would they need to manufacture a hurricane to wipe
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: out southern North Carolina to get lithium deposits? Whenever there's
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: more lithium in Arkansas, louise Siana, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: and they just found it five to nineteen million tons
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: of lithium reserves.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: They're using the homunculas to create these hurricanes that take
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Florida out. Bro do you know they want to make
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: the fifteen minute cities man, But it's just ridiculous.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: How like it's it's a it's a it's an alternative
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: news cycle and whenever it's no longer interesting to talk
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: about and it's not the popular thing to talk about.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Everyone just forgets it and then it's on to the
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: next thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very convenient. And like I said, it's that
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: attention span moves on to the next thing. I guess
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: that the heart machine was running on the low setting
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: these last two storms that showed up, because they just
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: veered right off to the right. I think that they
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: knew that we were onto them, so they went ahead
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: and veered them away and didn't come over towards Florida.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: So now that was a psychic removed viewers that steered
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: the herd. They made the hurricane not as destructive and
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: took it from a cat five to a cat What
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: did it end up at a three point five or
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: a three or something?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, three ended up as a three. But no, it's
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it's scary, dude. I mean, those storms are nothing to
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: play with. And I remember seeing people boasting about again
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: because you have these rebellious people. The government told me
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to evacuate, so I'm not gonna They're gonna have to
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: take me out. It's like, bro, this is uh, this
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: is this is a dangerous thing, right and what is?
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Nothing is real unless you can tie to the monkey. Yeah,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: that's right. Absolutely nothing is real unless it's homunculous. Yes, yes, one.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: But I I thought that the Homunculous movie was a
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: really interesting, uh movie, which was different. I normally don't
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: like dubbed dubbed things if it's in the actual language,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: I want to watch it in like the actual language.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: But I suffered through the dub for you so that
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: we could talk about it.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: One thing that we didn't really touch on yet, which
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: is what you mentioned it earlier, which is trebidation, which
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: the trebidation is a proside trump Nation Sorry, uh. Trump
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Nation is a procedure which where holes are drilled into
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the person's hut and supposedly this increases the circulation of
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: blood and helping to improve the like pressure inside the
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: head inside of one skull, you know, bringing about a
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: clairvoyance the game you know, superpowers essentially like esp and
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: and see entities and basically see this other dimension, this
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: other world, and some have even said like controlling objects
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: remotely and doing all kinds of wild stuff. Now I
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: had I had heard of this because I read a
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: book by Jerry Marzenski which I've had Jerry on the
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: show several times. But I didn't know that it was
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: actually a like it kind of started as a way
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: to unlock certain spiritual abilities. I thought that it was
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: originally started to like try and cure mental illness or
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: schizophrenia or a multiple personality Well they didn't have multiple
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: personality disorder back then, but like just you know, yeah,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: so they would droll because there are practices back in
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: the day where they would drill a hole into the
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: skull of a human and then like try and disinfect
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: it with they would pour straight alcohol into the skull
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: and all. Then that gets into kind of like lobotomy
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: style procedures, and transorbital lobotomy is where they stick an
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: ice pick through the tear duct of the eye and
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: scramble the brain a little bit.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: That got replaced, so that replaced trepanation. So at first
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: it was the trepidation, which is again the drilling of
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the hole in the skull. And there's even tribes today
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: that do it. If you go watch the documentary Hole
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: in the Skull, they show this African tribe who still
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: does it today. No anesthesia, no nothing, straight up just
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: cutting the scalp open of people and you know, doing
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. And so in this to me, dude, right,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: because we talked about the occult a little bit in
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the esoteric, the idea that these people were occulting this
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: knowledge to try and hide it from the masses, from
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: the normy people only they could hold this knowledge. Well,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: what a better way because when you talk about all
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: these topics, you don't really have any any proof, right,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I can't prove to you like I'd love to make
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a documentary about the homunculus because you know, a bunch
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: of people have already told me. And it's like, what
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Bro? You know what am I?
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: You want to watch me? You know, just into a
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: jar or something, right, like like to try and create
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like I can't. Right, there's no way. So people they
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to do the whole ceremonial magic, you know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: esoteric occult stuff whatever, all these rights rituals, et cetera,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And I think that the whole thing with
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: the trepidation and and the self trepanation, which there's there
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: was this entire thing when I started researching, uh, for
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the for the episode I'm gonna be putting out, Uh,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: what a better way than to put something tangible, right,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: to do something that you can do right now. Anyone
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: can do it, right. I'm not recommending that people do this,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: but it's like, hey, you have the possibility of gaining
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: this sixth sense ESP, being able to peer into the
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: spirit realm, whatever it is, if you just got to
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: drill right here, you know. And it's like for the
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: person who truly wants it, for the person who has
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: like this unquenchable the Faustian complex, what I call the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: this quest for knowledge, you know, the people who are
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: so deep into this stuff that they want to do it.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: The guys who are actually creating homunculous right now in
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: their mom's basement somewhere because they're reading all these books,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: they exist, right, those guys.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: It sounds like the ideal person that would be creating
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: a homunculus would be doing it in their mom's.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Basement exactly right. So all these guys are like, wait,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: so there's a possibility I could gain ESP in a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: sixth sense, and I can, I can see into the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: homunculous realm. That's enough to push somebody over the edge
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: to try this. And I'll tell you what, right, I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: think that even if it doesn't actually give them powers
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I promise you that they probably believe that they have
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: these powers because the placebo effect is that powerful, and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: to me, the placebo effect is magic. So I think
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: that there's people who are doing this, and there's plenty
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: of people on the internet. You can YouTube right now
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: self trepenation, and there's people who you know, they interview
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: people who have done it, and they will tell you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I feel more enlightened, I feel high, I feel better,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I feel more enlightened. You know, I feel like I've
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: achieved a higher level of conscience. They believe it, bro
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: They believe that by doing this procedure to themselves, they
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: have achieved a higher state of consciousness. Even if it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: is placebo, even if it is BS and it's fake
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't actually work to these people, it's real.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Now that gets into a whole other, you know, rabbit
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: hole of like how far does they you know, how
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: much influence does the human mind have on reality, if
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: any at all? Right, because that's something that's also been
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: argued throughout all of history. You have I talked to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: you about dreams, right, the Monroe, the Gateway experience, the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Hemi sync and all the what is prayer? Prayer is
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: using projections right from your mind essentially to affect a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: higher cause or a higher change and some other reality,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: praying to the sky Daddy to make sure he does
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: something down here to benefit you one hundred percent. Well,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the alchemist took that and they did the work. They
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: did the actual physical work of rearranging matter to try
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: and achieve a change in a higher dimension. So they're all,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's trying to tap into all the same thing, bro,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: everyone's tapping into all the same thing. Folkanelly revealed the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: secrets of alchemy in nineteen twenty five or something like that.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: He showed up in this lab of a I think
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: it was like an atomic research or something like that. Anyways,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: pers year and he revealed the secrets of alchemy. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: when he revealed it, he's like, you know, the secret
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: of alchemy is, you know, unlimited power, free energy, et cetera,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: et cetera, if you align in a certain geometric pattern.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Purified materials turned out the precursor of the CIA. He
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: had predicted nuclear energy essentially five years before the Manton
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Project ever came into existence. That the government was like,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: who is this guy? Where do you get his knowledge?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: And we want to find him. So essentially the I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: think it was the oss. They went looking for the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: immortal alchemist Fulcanelly allegedly because he had revealed the secrets
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: of this nuclear which was again I think it was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: a radium or something like that, put in a certain
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: geometric pattern, highly purified materials to create this energy.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: So Fulcanelli is also didn't he create the Cross of Hindi.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the The Mystery of the Great Cross and Henda,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Jay Widner and Vincent Bridges Rest in Peace, Bena Bridges.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: They wrote that book and allegedly he had deciphered this
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: code on that Great Cross as to where to go
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: for the next cataclysm that was going to go down. Now,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I'd recommend anyone read the book because it's I did
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: an episode with Jay Dye on my show, not Jay Direm, sorry,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Jay Widener on my show, UH with about this book
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: a while back, and it just goes so much in debt.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they talk about Folconelli in there, and he
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: had done some work on that Great Cross and allegedly
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: had deciphered some message as to where to go, and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I think it points to some cave system in Peru
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: or something on those lines, and I asked Jay, I said,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: so when you go to these caves, like you're supposed
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: to just hang out when you get there, or is
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: it more like a portal? And he's like yeah, he's like,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you're on it, you know, because of the way that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the lava tubes and the energy and all. Because we
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: know that again Folconelli means little volcano, and the amount
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: of energy that a volcano produces could hypothetically be enough
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: to open up you know what. People call it portal
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: and who knows if it's to another realm or whatever.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: You want to believe in all that stuff, you know.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, Folconeley was the last greatest alchemist, and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: there's stories of him him again, he did the Magnum Opus,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: so we can't ask him because he fizzled out of reality.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: But the first person to mention check this little connection,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I found out one day. The first person to ever
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: mention Folcanelly in a note was the wife of the Borthaldi,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: who actually was the sculpture of the Statue of Liberty
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: and his family was the one that presented the Statue
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: of Liberty to the United States. And I believe they
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: owned the Suez Canal and a whole bunch of other stuff.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: But the first person ever to mention Folconelli because he
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: was in their circle was the wife of the sculpture
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: of the Statue of Liberty, which I found really interesting.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Statue of Liberty is a man bro that is transgender dog.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all of them, they're all yeah. And the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: rock is actually he was a woman and he transitioned
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: to a man. Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: But there's this other we're scraping on the line here
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: today we're tipping the tipping the thing. There's this I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: don't know if you've read.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: This, it's a I know about it, yeah, a little bit.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: The c I a declassified document that it's called the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Adam and Eve's Story, and I'm not going to be
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: able to find it because it's so far down in here.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: But it basically describes like the cataclysm the Great Floods,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't give you and it talks about them.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Because you were mentioning the where to go with the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Cross of Hindi and all that, it's going to give
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: you a specific location to go to that you're going
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: to be safe. But in this CI a declassified document,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to find it. I'm
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: not gonna but but if people want to look at this,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: just type in the Adam and Eve.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Control F broe able. It'll pick it up control F
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: and to search it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, what this document basically says is when the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: big cantacalism happens and whenever it goes down, and if
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: you are in the United States, the only safe place
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: to that you can go uh to possibly survive it
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: is uh in Colorado, in the Colorado Mountains, because they're
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: the only uh peak of mountains that would be tall
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: enough to withstand the amount of flooding. It's not the Rockies,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: it's it's close to I think it's like around Estes
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Park that area. Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on on the whole right,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: because there is a connection with with eschatology and alchemy,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: which Jay and Vincent Bridges talk about it in that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: book The Great Cross, The Mystery of the Great Cross
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: of Hindi. Uh, I think it's end the Times wanting
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: that the concept of the apocalypse because a lot of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: people that seems to be a you know, people have
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: what I call like a fetish for the end times, right,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the apocalypse and the coming of the Death of Civilization.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: You got movies like twenty twelve or one that I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: watched before the hurricane actually hit was a day after tomorrow,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: you know, movies like that, or that's.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite disaster movies. Do you I love
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: that movie.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: It's a great movie. But what do you think about that?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Because there's a whole group of people that, in my opinion,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: want the world to end. They want some huge cataclysm
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to hit. And some people would say like, oh, that's.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: What the Georgia stones were for, and that's why they
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: took them out, and blah blah blah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Like all this other stuff. But alchemy ties directly into
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: that because some people talk about alchemy and you can
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: relate this to maybe the atomic bomb or something, and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I think that lithium is used for atomic bomb. Is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I'm mistaken, But the concept of alchemy involves the destroy
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: ruction of one reality to birth a new one. So
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: that's why you have some paintings of alchemy that show,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: you know, taking a planet and stuffing it into a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: vessel and breaking it down, taking the Sun and the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Moon and stuffing into that vessel too, and just you know,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: mixing it up and destroying them, breaking them apart, you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: for the putre faction phase and then renewing it. And
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: some people talk about the Book of Genesis. There was
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: an entire group of alchemists that actually did commentaries on
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the Book of Genesis because they believe that there was
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: a person named King James in the chat because they
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: believe that shout out to King James. They believe that
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: the Book of Genesis revealed the secrets on how to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: create what Carl Jung talked about innunis Mundus or the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Philosopher's Stone or new reality or a new world. What
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on like the whole fetish of like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the wanting the world to end and is this next
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: president the Antichrist and blah blah blah, and I got
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a fear boner, you know.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely something to that that they want people
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: to romanticize the end of the world through some kind
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: of disaster, whether that's you know, a zombie apocalypse, some
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: huge natural disaster, some kind of aliens coming down and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: destroying stuff. They definitely want that romanticizing to go on.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that that feeds into a lot of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: the nihilism that I was talking about. Earlier, you know, like,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: let's just destroy all this and let's just I can't
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: wait for the apocalypse and into the note, bro, you're
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: not going to survive, Dude, nobody's going to survive, and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: and you don't want to survive. That's the thing. They
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: think that it's going to be fun, that they're just
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: going to be there all of a sudden, going to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: become scavengers, right, bro, you know how hard that is
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: to vibe through, Like that's a The movies make it
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: look like a cakewalk and make it look fun because
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: you got Duyne the Rock Johnson out there and uh
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: and doing all he's looking all buff and ship and
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: and badass and helping people and saving people. Like That's.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Another complex that has really gone on in movies is
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: the the underdog and the hero complex. You know, everyone
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: wants to root for the hero in movies and in
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: TV shows, and or root for the underdog to beat
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: the system, you know. V for Vendetta. V for Vendetta
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: is a reverly really good example of that, which is
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite movies. But people want to romanticize
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: that in a fictional sense, but in real life they
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: do not. They do the opposite of that, and it's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: so weird and it's so strange. I never understood it
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: when it comes down to being a really good person
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: in real life and like doing the right thing and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: like helping people. And I'm not saying people don't. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: know that there are people that do. But I've experienced it,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: you know, in my own life, and I can't say
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: that I have. And I've done it where I've seen
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: opportunities where I could like help somebody, but it's inconvenient
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: to me, so I just don't do.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: It, you know what I mean.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: But we've we've created this, this this society of people
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: that they don't only want to root for the good
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: guy when it's when it's fictional, but in real life,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: they don't want to do it. And it's that it's
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: so unbelievable to me. And that has been a really
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: big type of programming. But absolutely the disaster movie stuff
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: is a big one. And a day after tomorrow, I
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: think that came out in like two thousand and four.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: From the first time that I the first time that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I watched it, I was like, man, this is a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: great movie. And I watched it recently watched your probably
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: around a year ago and it still holds up. It's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: still got good effects, still really good movie. But again,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's because of the aspect that there's people
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: that need to be saved and people that need to
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: be helped within the movie. You know, like the the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: main character's son is trapped in New York and he
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: has to trek all the way across pretty much the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: entire United States in snow boots, carrying alongest frame to
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: go and try and save his son.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: And that's why I like I mentioned to you, because
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: you know, you're speaking about the monomyth right to hear
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: with a thousand faces, and this has been a the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: scaffolding for pretty much any movie I've been I was
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: actually thinking about that. I was watching this movie on
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Netflix that just came out with my wife, and it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: was about this girl, right trying to fight for her life. Again,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: same thing, right, the main character is going through something.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: She's got to fight for her life against the big
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: bag monster. And it's always the same thing. Just put
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: you know, just put different faces to it. And I
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: want to make a movie, dude, where the hero dies
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: and that's it, and there's not like, oh, he gets
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: resurrected like John Snow no, no, no, he's gone and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: the the the bad guy won. That's it. Wasn't there
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: a Spider Man movie like that where he were he
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: dies and then he stays dead or something like that
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: could have swither what.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's Spider Man. They wouldn't do a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Spider Man like that. They normally always bring anything that
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: has to do with Marvel. They even bring those characters back.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, shoot, they even did that with Wolverine. Dude,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Logan was the perfect ending to Wolverine and the X Men,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: and then they brought him back with Wolverine and Double
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: or Double and Wolverine is the correct title. But yeah,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: those types of there's been a few movies that that
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: the uh, well, the kind of Cadou Lake. Have you
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: watched Cado Lake yet?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Do you spoil that?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: The A D D O L A K E. Yeah,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: just came out. It's on HBO. It's it's pretty much
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: like that where I don't want to spoil it for people.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: But I'll watch it tonight.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Dude, you got it. Bro, you're gonna be like it's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: one of the well not like mind blown, You're just
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: it's it's a movie. It's unlike other movies to where
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: everything isn't given away to you in the exposition of
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: the movie, like you actually have to watch the movie
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: to understand what's going on. And and uh, it's one
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: of the best in Night Chamalan movies that's been in
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: a really life. He didn't actually direct it, someone else directed,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: but he produced it and me too, shameel limiting, don't don't. Yeah,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: but that's a really good movie where it's uh, it's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: sort of like what we're talking about, where the type
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: of movie that you said that you wanted to make. Again,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: don't want to spoil it for people that haven't seen it,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: but supposed to be Like as soon as I watched it, dude,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I thought about it until like I went to sleep,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: until I figured it out in my mind. Like I
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: wasn't able to go to sleep. I was like, I
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: want to figure this shit out.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: It just came out to ten ten twenty four, So
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: it came out a couple of weeks ago. I'll check
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: that one out tonight.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good movie. So when it comes
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: to like the the procedure of you know, drilling the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: hole in the person said I do want to talk
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: a little bit more about the actual movie Homunculous on Netflix,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: because I think it's worth, you know, people checking out,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: and I really like the idea of after when this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: procedure is done, he's basically able to see people's homunculuses homunculi,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: And what the movie kind of equated it to was
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: that these homuncul i are created based off of people's traumas,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: right that that's kind of how it's explained in the movie,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: and they kind of their their homuncul eye takes on
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: the version of them and the way that they see themselves.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Am I correct in saying that?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And again the manga gets way more in depth
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that, But it's essentially again that
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: bottling up of the trauma inside makes this shell around
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: the actual person. And again you see this in the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: manga a lot more because he turns into like the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: ultimate psychologist. So they'll be like five ten pages of
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: him trying to extract the homunculus from like one person,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: and he's just going boom boom boom boom, like down
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: the entire life of like to what happened, trying to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: really find that core of like the main problem. And
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: it's almost like again like the the young archetype type
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: of thing like that, like he become They talk about
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: young actually in the manga, and I think they might
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: have mentioned it in the in the movie, but yeah,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: it's about these astral entities that the way I see
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: it and the way I saw it was like, you
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: know when these occult literature they talk about having a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: watcher of some sort right attached to yourself. Robert Monroe
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: talked about these entities that roam around and this, you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: the astro realm or whatever they are, and they attach
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: themselves to people. They're very sexual in nature and they
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: just want this sexual energy from people and they you
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: feed off of people's loose and there's like these reptilian
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: beings and it's kind of sort of like that. And
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: the thing was bro I don't know if they say
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: it in the movie or not, but as the observer,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: when you're observing other people's homunculus, it's a reflection of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: your own self. So as you're watching the homuncula, the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: homuncular are watching you right back right, So it's like
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: you stare into the abyss long enough and the abyss
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: will start stare back at you. Is that Nietzsche that
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: said that, you know, speaking of nihilism. I think Nietzsche
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: was doing that said that quote.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: I've heard the quote. I can't place exactly who said it,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: but I really like that that type of that concept
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: of you because it kind of makes it to where
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: it's like you are like your experiences of life, which
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: I agree with, like the things that you've been through
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: in your life and the trauma's that you've made, you
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: create that outer shell of of those experiences because shapes
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: and molder reality and shapes and molder personality.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Because one of the main things, and I'm mixing up
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: the manga and the movie, but one of the main
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: things was, and I don't know if they said this
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: in the movie or not, but the main character actually
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: got plastic surgery done. So he was living this life
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: that was transforming him into every like so he was
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: living a life where he was super rich, but he
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting any fulfillment. So he started to look further,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: so he literally transforms himself. So he gets plastic surgeon.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Then once he gets plastic surgery, he gets all these women,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: gets all the fancy cars and everything that he goes,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: this still isn't enough. And one of the main things
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: in the movie and in the manga was that you
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: can it's awesome. You can stare into the astro realm.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: There's monsters everywhere, right, everyone's a monstrosity. Some people are normal,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: but most people are these monsters, these hideous monsters. But
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: there's one one issue, one main issue, and that's why
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: he finds the girl at the end of the of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the of the movie that you can't see what your
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: homunculus looks like no matter what, right, so you can't,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: like you want to help everybody else and you're trying
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: to find the cause of everyone's problems. But he's like,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: you know, look at me, what does mine look like?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: You know, like the other guy was like the water
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: and the fish, It's like, what does mine look like?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: No, yours? Look you look fine? He was lying to him, right,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: like he didn't look fine. But the main character himself
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: And that's why I said, it's more of like an
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: exploration of trying to find your true self. And the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: movie doesn't do it justice, but yeah, it's about I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: think it.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: Kind of did in a lot of difference. So the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: one thing that it's really powerful. Is the Transformer scene
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: whenever he's with that you accuse a guy and he's
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: seeing him as like a transformer, and the kid is
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: inside of the Transformer, and then he just starts breaking
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: down that shell, that exterior shell because of this trauma
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: that he had before where he accidentally cut off one
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: of his friend's finger with a sickle. Like that was
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: really powerful if you look below the surface of what
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: they're saying and actually like what they're showing you, because
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: it's like you're because that's the way that I feel
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: like that it would be if you're able to get
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: rid of that entity, that entity being an experience, a
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: very traumatic experience through your life. If you're able to
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: shed that, it would almost be like you're kind of
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: having a panic attack because you've held onto it for
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: so long and it's shaped and molded your entire reality
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: and the way that you look at life, and getting
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: rid of that is going to at first is going
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: to be like, no, I don't want to get rid
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: of this. I need to keep holding on to this.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: And once the guy is like breaking down that shell
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: and he's like telling them all this stuff, and then
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: you just see it just like disappear and then he
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: just he's just a kid again. So it's like it's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: it's pretty transformable. That was my favorite one out of
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: all the all of the homunculuses that he took off
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: of people. I think that that one was the most
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: powerful one.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah and the I forgot I was gonna say, But
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, and the and the manga. He does a
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: lot more people, and you see a lot more different
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: homuncula and they start to analyze all of them. But
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: the the trepanation procedure was also used to write we mentioned,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to cast out demons from people, and sometimes they keep
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: the bone as a talisman to keep the spirits away.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: So and trepanation is actually one of the oldest operations
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: procedures in history. It goes back to like the Neolithic
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: period where some skulls had up to seven holes in
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: their head. Bro So imagine having to do that back
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: then without any power tools. All you had was some
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: rocks and some sticks, and people had up to seven
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: holes in their head at one time, and you could
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: tell that they lived after the survivory I think was
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: like twenty or forty percent something like that. You could
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: tell that they survived because the bone would heal right,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: so where you would see that that they had the hole.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: A lot of times when they could tell that the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: person didn't survive when the bones weren't healed, like, hey,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: this person died shortly after this one because it didn't
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: heal together, right, So I didn't have time to heal together.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: But a lot of them were healed together. And by
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: the I think it was sixteenth century or someone like
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: the seventeenth century, they had gone up to you know,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: fifty sixty percent survival rates. So it's actually something that
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: was done fairly often. And like I said, trepidation was
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: was taken over by lobotomies, right, So it makes you wonder,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: like because lobotomi is that's one of the main things
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: that they would put people in, you know, mental institutions.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: We've seen all that history. We've seen all the movies
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: about when they do that to people. What's that one
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: movie that what the girl and she would hallucinate all
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: these crazy stories. Oh man, that was also a really
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: great movie. I gotta find the name of it now.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: It was was like kick Ass or something like that.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Sucker Punch I think it was, Yeah, sucker Punch. There
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: you go, Zack, was it exactly? Yeah, bro? In twenty eleven,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: that was a pretty good movie, and it was all
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: about that they were doing these procedures in this girl
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: and she was like hallucinating these entire crazy battles and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: and all this. Uh but yeah, I just that that procedure,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: like I said, in my opinion, it opens up and
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: gives someone who would be interested in this. How I said,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: you open up this grim war. It's like, oh, how
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: to create a homunculous Oh well, I don't know if
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I could gather all these materials what do some of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: these mean? But then there's this other thing. Just drill
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: hole in your head, bro, and uh you know, uh,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: it'll brush more blood to your brain and you'll gain
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: super superpowers. You could read people's minds.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: And it's like, but there's the thing is just how
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: do they know How would they even know that that
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: would be possible to do back then? Like I don't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: understand where would they be getting that information from that
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: they would even be able to do that if they
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: didn't actually think that it was possible.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it was homunculous, but it was no,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: So maybe it was the aliens that to who knows, dude,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, right, So this steps into the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: class of people, the hierarchy of society, because usually the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: people who had the knowledge of that were the shamans,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: and usually the shamans themselves would actually have that procedure
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: done on them, so they were trefienated or trepidated, or
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: they had trepidation done to them, and they were the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: holders of that knowledge. There it goes back again to
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: a secret society or the initiated, that only those people
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: carried the knowledge of how to do it, when to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: do it, you know, all they had everything. And it
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: makes you wonder because the shaman class throughout all of
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: history has always been seen as this liminal person in
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the tribe where they can deal with the spirits and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: the entities and the magic. But then they can also
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: interact in the regular right with the people. And they're
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the one that you go to to heal yourself. They're
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: the ones that you go to if you feel like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: you have a demon in you. And if the dude
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: already was already trepenated and he got his knowledge from
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I've had shamans where or I haven't had shamans.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: But I've been told by friends of mine who I've
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: done ayahuasca and the you know in the Brazilian rainforest somewhere,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, when you ask these shamans who gave
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: them the knowledge of like the ingredients or something, they go,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: the plants told us. You know, these these do they're
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: drinking these concoctions and sitting in the woods by themselves
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: for an extended period of time, Like the trees told us,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the the flowers and the plants told us, and that's
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: how we got this knowledge. But that's a really great question, dude.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know who would have been the main people,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: but there was probably that one guy like, hey, sounds crazy,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: but if we just made a whole rite here, you
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: don't think that he'd start, you know, he'd stop acting weird.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe they'll start being so weird. Just drew
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: it right here to see what happens.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: That's a really strange thing. And then what about people
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: that already these some form of abilities that didn't have
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: to have a whole drilled into their skull.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, there's going on with those people. There is a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: And that's a question I asked because there is a
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: large amount of people. I don't know how many exactly
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: who's the You know, when when a baby is born,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: they have the opening and the skull right, it's allegedly
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: to give the brain is growing so rapidly that it
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: can't keep up with the growth of the actual baby's body.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: So you know, nature's nature, and their skull is open
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: till they're a year or two old. But for some
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: people it doesn't shut right, it doesn't go away. Are though,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I don't do you know any people who have clairvoyant
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: or a sixth cents or anything that you could ask like, hey,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: did your skull ever come together? Like, you know, like
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: did you did the whole ever go?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think that they would they would actually know,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: But I have ran into people claim to have, you know,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: be clairvoyant or or see things, and a few of
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: them I kind of believe if still, but from what
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: they say it is kind of like maybe, yeah, I
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: I'm on the same boat as you, dude. It's like source,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: just trust me, dude, Like what just trust me? I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: can see the spirits and they're talking to me right now. Yeah,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: they're telling me that you might be gay, Like oh,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: just you know, the spirit the numbers are talking because
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: it equals thirty six and this other thing. It's like,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: oh okay, all right. But I believe that perhaps some
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: people do have certain abilities. Maybe perhaps again what I
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: call I've never I don't think I've ever met trying
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: to think if I've ever met like a psychic or anything.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Does a person who does taro kind as a psychic,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: like they feel the energy of the cards and stuff
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't think not. In my personal opinion, I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: don't think the tarot card reader is psychic. Maybe in
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: some cases they could be considered intuitive, but I think
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: everyone's intuitive, right. Everyone else like feelings, Like they get
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: a few certain feeling about a certain situation, you know,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: Like I think that everybody has that type of ability,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: and some people are more empathetic toward others. They can
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: feel the energy of a room, like I can feel
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: anyone can really feel the energy of a room. Like
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: if you go into a room and there's a bunch
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: of people in there and they're all just sitting around
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: and like being like lazy and like down, Like you're
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: gonna walk in there and you're also gonna be lazy
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: and down. But if you walk into a room where
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: people are all hype and like, yeah, let's do it,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: but you're automatically going to get into that frame of
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: mind so everyone can feel energy.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. And I don't know
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: if you ever read Gustav Leabam The Psychology of the Crowd,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: and he is the guy, he's the father of crowd psychology,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and he talked about that about this. He called it
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: the not a parasite, he called it the anyways. He
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: had a word for the contagion that when people get
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: together in a group, the group itself becomes its own entity.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: And there's something about that, right, like that that we
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: can all agree on that when you are at a
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: party and everyone's hype, you're going to be hyper, or
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: you're at a concert or whatever it is, you're gonna
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: be hype. Everyone's gonna be going. It's like, that's why
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: churches work.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: That's why the church is working, That's why concerts work,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: that's why football stadiums work.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: But what is that energy though, right, or like, is
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: it something or is it all just placebo? Or is
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: it the homunculus or is it the like what is it?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you, like, I went to see Creed
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  Speaker 3: in uh three Doors Down and Finger eleven right, and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: three Doors Down has become Okay, I like a lot
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: of some butt rock. Give me some butt rock in there, okay,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: But I also like metal and things like that. But
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: I just really wanted to see Creed because I really
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  Speaker 3: like Creed, and I didn't think the Three Doors Down
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  Speaker 3: was going to be there. I thought it was gonna
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: be Dultrey and like somebody else, switch Foot or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But Three Doors Down replaced them on the tour and
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  Speaker 3: me and my girlfriend we went and in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the show, Three Doors Down like kind of stop
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: the show and he started like basically preaching. They kind
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: of became like a a semi like Christian band, right,
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  Speaker 3: But the way that he spoke and the things that
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: he said, I could literally feel it. Yeah, I could
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  Speaker 3: feel the energy. And I'm kind of getting chills right
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  Speaker 3: now thinking about it. And it's not that I believe
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  Speaker 3: you've done it. It's not the energy that he was
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  Speaker 3: putting out in the way that it was making other
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: people feel. The energy was palpable, and I like it
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: just hit me like all the one time and I
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  Speaker 3: turned to my girlfriend and I was like, I looked
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  Speaker 3: at her and I said, that's the power of belief.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what it does.
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  Speaker 3: And it just was like it just washed over the
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  Speaker 3: entire crowd, dude, from the front of the crowd, all
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  Speaker 3: the way to the to the very back.
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  Speaker 1: My experience with that right being in the church for
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: so long I grew up. Not a lot of people
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: know is, but I grew up Pentecostal Christian and the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Pentecostals they know how to get down right. They go crazy,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: speaking tongues, they jump around and they move around. And
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: I played guitar for for many years at the church,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: and I can tell you, bro when when the Holy
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Spirit is in the house, you feel that like you
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: feel like and then but at the same time, you're
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: using because you're at a concert, they're using the music.
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  Speaker 1: So it's almost like the whole idea of cimatics and
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: the way that the churches are set up and all
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: that stuff. But there is something there. Is it God?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Is it Cthulhu? Is it whatever? Like whatever? Like who
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: knows what it is? But there's something that you can
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: literally cut with like a knife. You know. Once they
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: start to just really rob people up and get into
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: like the worship mode like where it's just like boom boom,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: boom boom. I tell you, but I felt I've felt
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: that before on numerous occasions, so I can tell you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: as far as like, you know, if they call it
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit and somebody else calls it whatever, the spaghetti,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: alien monster or something. I felt whatever was in the
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: house that day, but was the manipulation of subtle energy
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: or what. But yeah, I get what you're saying because
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: I've been in like a religious setting where they're they're
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: where they're conjuring this up and they're making it just
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: soil around the room and people faint and stuff like that.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: You know, the guy reaches over them. But there's been
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: times where they've prayed over me, like during the calling.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: And I remember one time they're praying over me and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: this dude's like, you know, he's putting his hand on
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: my head and I could feel him pushing, right, but
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I'm pushing back. So we're just like having like a
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: fight of like him pushing and then he just moves
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: on to the next I was like, this guy's not
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: feeling the spirit today or he just moves on. So
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: it's like how many people are being influenced of like, oh,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: this dude's pushing me back, let me just fall back, right,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people fall back and
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: there was nobody behind them to catch them and they
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: hit the ground. You know, Like that's pretty dangerous. So
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know it's like a placebo sort of thing
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: where they're being influenced or what. But I've felt whatever
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: energy has been around the church. I felt it firsthand.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: So that's why I asked you, like, what is it?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Because I still don't know what it is, but I
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: know it's there.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have labeled it as the power of
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: belief because I think that's in people being singularly focused
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: on one thing, which normally involves like some kind of
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: untangible mystical thing that may be real or may not
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: be real. Because people want to believe in like miracles,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: people want to believe in God, people want to believe
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: in Jesus. And I'm not saying that that's wrong. They
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: can believe in whatever they want to believe in as
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: long as it makes their life better, you know, long
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: as it better is their life, I have no problem
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the same thing.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: I say, that's what I think that it is. I
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: think it's an a grigoric belief system that has been
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: created by humans. When enough people believe in something, it
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: becomes real. And at that Three Doors Down concert, and
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: when that because this is that's not the only time
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: that I've ever found it. I felt it a lot
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: in my life, but that was the most recent example.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: I realized when it washed over the entire crowd that
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: people can get entrapped by this, They can get ensnared
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: by this, like they can almost get addicted to to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: this in a way.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: You know, it just proves that they're part of the Illuminati. Bro,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: you were just part of an Illuminati ritual. You don't
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: know you got influence, Bro, I got influenced together. You're
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna have to trepid it to get the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: spirits out. I'm not fed, d And yeah, oh I
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: got your bro, I got you here in a second,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Illuminati confirmed.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: But you've been confirmed as an Illuminati fed at the
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: uh the three three Doors the Three Doors Down. But hey, dude,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the whole thing with these people, where
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: anyone in power, anyone with influence is automatically baking gay
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: or they're homunculus or whatever it is now. And this
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: is what I've always said. Very you know, people talk
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: about the reptilions and stuff. Maybe they're not reptilians. Maybe
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: they're homunculous.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: There maybe there were people born under a certain astrological
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: alignment at a certain time, at a certain day, and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: you know, they were foretold to do that one thing,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: which I believe happens in Hollywood and government and anything
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: that has some power of influence. I think that those
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: people are put there, if not from right. You have
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: the whole white lodge versus Black lodge thing. I think
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: that there is some occult aspect when it comes to
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: the country, especially given how many people are brainwashed with
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: politics and the left right paradigm, the red blue blah
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: blah blah, like all this other stuff. People are hardcore,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, in that sort of thing, you know, the
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: whole new culture thing. And I think that the political
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: parties is a thing. And when you link the political
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: party stuff to the founding fathers and really any political
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: figure and their ties to secret societies. Even if there
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: is minimal interference from these occult circles, I think there's some. Nonetheless,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: look at the Capitol buildings, look at Washington, d C.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: And all the iconography and everything that they use you
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: know there. I mean, we talked about the Great Cross,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: the Hendai. Well why is you know, why is Washington
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: laid out the way it is? What's the why? Why
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: do why do they need a uh an obelisk? You know,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: what's the point of an obelisk?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: It's like why all this weird symbolism on our Why
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: what are all these sigils on our money and all
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: these different things like that that it's weird, It's it's bizarre,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: even if it doesn't mean anything, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Like to me, I've always I always think that I'm
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: between the two lines, like I don't have enough proof.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: But like I said, we have the effect, and we're
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: trying to find out the cause of like anything really
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: that happens nowadays. And that's where you get the conspiracies
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: like oh they were all Illuminati, they were all rosicrusions,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: they were all X Y Z, right, and you just
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: go crazy down that rab. The whole point is that
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: we have this stuff, What does it mean? I don't know.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: I think that if I was in the position that
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of people believe that they're this, that there's
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: this group of people that are behind the scenes and
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: controlling all of humanity and they're all doing that, I
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: would put stuff in there just to trol people, right.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: I turned the Grammys into a freaking Illuminati, freaking one
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: eye symbolism, goat man, upside down, pentagram stuff, just to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: just to trol people, just to put it in there.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's a lot of what it is,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: especially when it comes to, you know, the halftime shows
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: the the Olympics. They're they're they're just putting that stuff
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: in there to make fun of us, is what they're doing.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: They're they're they're literally just putting that those things in
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: there to sit back and be like, I wonder what
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: these idiots come.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Up with next.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: I literally think, though, writer, I mean, if you had
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: a thousand people at his parties, he's gonna need a
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: thousand bottles of baby oil.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's a lot of baby oil. That's
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying. It's a lot of baby I just
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: want to know what the bottles were all for. Okay,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of baby oil. That's a lot of people.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't want to have the baby oil put
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: on you, so you're not gonna use a thousand bottles.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a thousand people. So I think that
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: he popping bottles is all about bro now thinking about like,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: damn was baby bottles? You know, baby oil bottles this
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: whole time.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: Popping bottles of the baby Oh yeah, that's I mean,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: that's why you needed to get rid of the boxes too,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: because the baby oil comes in boxes.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, Like I'm with you on that.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Like if you are this all seen group that rules
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: the world and people say it's the revelation of the method,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: they have to show you what they're gonna do. If
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: they're that smart, the guy in his mama's basement wouldn't
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: be able to decipher the whole thing or else he
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: should be the one in power, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Like they have all they got it all figured out.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: I figured it out. You see, it's a it's a ritual.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: It's a baby shark ritual. They killed the baby shark,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: a rap guy. You know, they sacrificed him.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Baby. That's ah, But that's like a common thing in
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: the community like to just jump on like whatever the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: next thing is going to be, it's going to be
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: talked about for a week, a week and a half,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: and then it's going to be onto something different and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: than that thing. It's just it's just a revolving door
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: and like a revolving cycle of of endless things because
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: we can just create it out of thin air, like
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: we can decode and decipher and get whatever meaning that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: we want to get out of anything. Yeah, that's the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: whole Jamatria thing. And I love that meme that you
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: may actually repose.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: I got called the fed for for qu again. I'm
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: just asked. I'm here to ask questions, right, I'm just
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: as big of a skeptic as anybody. And that's why
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: when I research something, I dive in head first, because
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: I want to learn the good. I want to learn
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: the bad. I want to learn all the in between,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: because how can you truly know that you know something
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: when you've only focused on one side of it? If
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: I just focused on the homunculous, Yeah, the monkeys is real,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but I didn't focus on all the
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: other people in history. They're like now, homemunculus are faking gay.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: I got to hear those people out too, because I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: want to know why they believe that, right, so I
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: can learn from myself and maybe one day I'll prove
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: that the homunculus were actually ruling the world. Here's the deal.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Before I let you go, brother, I just want to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: mention this really quick. It's been an amazing conversation. I
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: very much enjoyed it. Breath of fresher talking with you
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: this evening. But what they've done is okay. So it
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: started out with the holy guy what's his name, Weinstein, Bretton,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: not Brett Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein. Started out with Harvey Weinstein.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: And that was for a section of the whole thing,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: which was the movie industry. In the film industry, right,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: he went to jail, went to nobody else got implicated
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: in anything. They made it seem like, oh, well, it's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: just this one guy, this one guy. That's it. Get
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: him out of there. It's not happening anymore. He's in prison,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: he's in jail, blah bla blah blah blah. Then it
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: was Jeffrey Epstein, or maybe Jeffrey Epstein what it was
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: before him, But it's not in any specific order. I'm
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: just telling you the general different departments of our society
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: that they're working in. Right next is Jeffrey Epstein, which
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: is like a political thing, and then the next is
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: this P Diddy thing, which is the music industry. They've
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: hit the three biggest industries with the same exact type
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: of thing, and nobody else ever has any other consequences.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: Nobody else has gone down with Harvey, nobody else went
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: down with Epstein, Nobody else is going to go down
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: with this P Diddy thing. It's a it's a thing
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: to where that they can be they can just take
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: out one person and then make it seem like that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: it's like all over and it's done. We were just
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: like we just had one bad apple in the group
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: of probably hundreds of bad apples. And now that we've
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: done this about this guy there, it's it's over now, right,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: and that that's that's the way that it's gone. And
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: nobody else is going to go down with this Diddy thing.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: That's just my personal opinion. And it's just a big
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: nothing burger and he's the only one that's going to
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: serve any kind of time, and nobody else is going
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: to have any problems when I guarantee you he wasn't
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: the only one doing this. It's it's improbable and it's
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: probably possible that he was the only one doing it.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: But nobody else is gonna go down. But finish, finish
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: up if you have any Indian thoughts about anything that
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: we've talked about or what I just talked about, and
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: we're gonna wrap it up. No.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoyed this conversation, dude. Like I said,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: I'm as big of a skeptic as anybody else. That's
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: why I look into any topic that I look into,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: because I've been there to where I've had ideas and
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: things shove down my throat. And it feels like this
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: whole space now is just turning into what we've all
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: been fighting, and it's now the truthers are shoving their
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: ideologies down your throat. If you don't agree with them,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: you get called a fed or you get called whatever.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: And that's why I posted those memes because I had
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: Like the wow, dare you The Dematria said thirty six,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: So therefore the Illuminati sent this from their foreskin, right.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, dude, listen, bro, you know whatever, who cares, right,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm just speaking my truth and I enjoyed this conversation. Bro,
• 1:46:57
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• 1:47:37
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• 1:47:40
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