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336: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Mold Toxicity, TPE & Finding Hope with Jenny McCarthy · Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD

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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go to.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Podcast for the most cutting edge insights integrative and functional medicine.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm your host, Dr. Jill, and with each episode we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Join me as I interview medical experts, innovators and thought leaders of all types helping you on your journey of optimal performance and longevity.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Today, you are in for such a treat.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Such celebrity Jenny McCarthy will be coming on the show to talk about her own experience with an unknown, unsuspected invisible invader that we all know as mold and toxic black mold, to be specific.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I know you're going to be very compelled by her story and the information we're going to present on therapeutic plasma exchange.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So stay tuned.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm sure that you'll not only enjoy this episode, you'll want to share it with friends or family that might be suffering from similar things.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So keep that in mind as we get ready for the show.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: just want to remind you that I do have a partnership with MD Lifespan who does therapeutic plasma exchange.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You can get more information about that at MD lifespan backslash.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Dr. Jill for the Mold Protocol.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We're going to be talking more about that today, so stay tuned for all the juicy bits of information.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Drjill health.com okay, let me go ahead and get right to introduction to our guest.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Jenny McCarthy's honesty, humility and humor have enabled her to transcend the boundaries of her roles as actress, comedian, host, best selling author, entrepreneur and an influential activist in the world of healing and prevention of autism.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She's been a judge on the Fox smash hit the mask singer for 14 seasons.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She starred in numerous films and television shows in addition to hosting cast countless live events, specials and award shows.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: She's a highly regarded New York Times bestselling author and her books include Belly Laughs, Baby Laughs, Life Laughs, Louder Than Words, A Mother's Journey in Healing and Mother Warriors.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And more than I can even mention here, she's got so many amazing books and features out there you are going to really enjoy most of all, not just the celebrity Jenny McCarthy, but the human, the incredible heart that she has.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I know you're gonna see that on this show.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Let's get right to it with Jenny McCarthy.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Jenny, what an honor to be here.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we get to talk about some of our.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Both our favorite topics.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I know our listeners are going to absolutely love this episode because if there's anything that I find always moving in my own heart, it's a story of someone, and especially someone who's done such amazing work.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Actress, comedy, television.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, you've done such amazing things in the world.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And just before we got on, were talking about how do we change the way medicine is practiced?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And how do we not leave behind people who are suffering and have no idea what.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What's bothering them?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you have a story.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I just want to jump right in and let you kind of tell your journey, how you found out about your illness and what was causing it, and give us.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Give us the story.
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  Jenny McCarthy: You know, it's.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm so excited to tell the story, so thank you for giving me the platform to do so.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So, you know, I would say my first kind of symptoms, that I kind of leaned on perimenopause, and it could very well have been perimenopause or menopause.
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  Jenny McCarthy: But I had brain fog.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I couldn't complete sentences.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I noticed myself, and I talk for a living, and I was having trouble finding my words.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I noticed interviews, I would leave off half the sentence and rely on the other person to finish the sentence.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And it was like.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I said to Donnie, I said, I think I'm getting dementia.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And he's like, you're being ridiculous.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I said, no.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I literally went to go get a test to see if I had dementia because that's how bad my word finding was.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Or just conversations in general and the brain fog and the fatigue.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I was like, God, menopause is killing me.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And could there be a percentage?
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  Jenny McCarthy: Of course.
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  Jenny McCarthy: But to the extreme that I had it, that should have been a telltale sign.
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  Jenny McCarthy: That should have been a big red flag.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Then things like, typical Sibo, my gut, which I've always have gut problems.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I know I have gut dysbiosis.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm just.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm just always had that kind of problem.
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  Jenny McCarthy: But the sibo kind of got really out of control, where I was like, I look nine months pregnant.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Every time I ate, I'd be like, oh, I can't eat anything.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Then the food allergies tripled.
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  Jenny McCarthy: It was like, I can't eat anything.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I found myself only eating Carnivore.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I find that a lot in the mold community.
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  Jenny McCarthy: People or a lot of people with food allergies, they go, I went to Carnivore and you feel better.
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  Jenny McCarthy: For a little while, but it's not a forever, you know, exactly.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because you're starving the microbiome.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But you're right, people.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I think that's why some of those are so popular.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: In fact, Paleo, what I've said all the time is when you take out grains are the most contaminated with mold food source in the US at least.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So this Paleo popularity, I'm like, I think it's really a mold issue.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So keep going.
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  Jenny McCarthy: You're so right.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So then I took that out, and then I started to get severe.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Well, I guess it started with tooth mouth infections.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And the kind of.
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  Jenny McCarthy: The more I'm reading about it, the mycotoxins not only colonize in your nose, but in tissues that can also be in your mouth.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I didn't really realize that.
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  Jenny McCarthy: But whether that led to my infection or my immune system was so under attack or busy doing something else that it couldn't maybe fight certain bacteria that was happening in my mouth.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I literally woke up with my pain and my mouth swollen.
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  Jenny McCarthy: It looked like there was a tennis ball in my mouth.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm like, what is happening?
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  Jenny McCarthy: I was in so much pain.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I went to the emergency room because it was a weekend and I couldn't see a dentist.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I was like, teeth are the worst, aren't they?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They're like, there's nothing worse than tooth pain.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Nothing worse.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And it was a Saturday and I had to get to Monday.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I was like begging for painkillers for you name it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So finally I get there and they're like, okay, do you want to save your tooth or do you want to?
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  Jenny McCarthy: Because it is severely infected, but you want to clean it out.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And it was an old root canal.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I and I went through theory that you should always keep your teeth no matter what.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I said, let's keep it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Let's clean it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: In this particular case, it probably wasn't very smart because it was really infected.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So we cleaned it out two weeks later.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Even bigger.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Even bigger.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I wound up pulling it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And what wound up happening was the next tooth got infected next to it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I had to go in and get that one pulled out.
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  Jenny McCarthy: But while I was in there, by biological dentist said, why don't we look at your root cavitations?
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  Jenny McCarthy: For people that don't know what root cavitations are, they're where your wisdom teeth were pulled out and what's left were these little divots.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And inside those divots, if you're not the healthiest person in the world can accumulate toxins.
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  Jenny McCarthy: They find heavy metals.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I always refer to it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I love visuals.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I refer to it as shack, as Shrek's Pond.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, Shrek pond scum.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Exactly, exactly.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So he's like, you have three areas.
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  Jenny McCarthy: We should really get out while we're gonna pull this tooth.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So he wound up doing that.
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  Jenny McCarthy: He's like, it was disgusting.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I got all the, you know, that stuff too.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I was like, I'm on my way cut to.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I started growing these.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I call them Shazalians.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I believe they're called Calaisians.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Chalazian.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Chalazians.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I can't pronounce anything right, but you guys, it was so bad.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm actually going to hold up a picture for you, cuz I feel like visuals.
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  Jenny McCarthy: You guys are so good for people to see.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Like, oh, she was not joking how bad it was.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So of course I'm going to take a second to find it.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's okay.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So these.
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  Jenny McCarthy: These Shazellians were growing on my eyes, and I was like, I've never had any type of problems before.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Like, I'm like, why would I have this all of a sudden happening to me and not knowing where it came from?
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I went to the doctor and he's like, it's just a gellion.
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  Jenny McCarthy: We can shoot it up with steroids.
• 8:48
  Jenny McCarthy: We shot it up with steroids.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Four weeks later, it grew back.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Now I'm having trouble finding it, but I'll find it by the end of the podcast to hold it up.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So it looks.
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  Jenny McCarthy: It looked like it was so bad, it looked like the tip of an eraser.
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  Jenny McCarthy: That's how big it was.
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  Jenny McCarthy: But it looked like a whitehead.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So mine were, like, severe.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And he was like, we have to have surgery.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So we have surgery on it.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Four weeks later, it grows back.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm like, what is happening?
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  Jenny McCarthy: At the same time, my jaw's infected.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I have another infection in the same spot.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And he's like, oh, my gosh, you're not even healing.
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  Jenny McCarthy: All of these root cavitations, everything, this wouldn't heal.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Antibiotics stopped working.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I was just getting infected.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I had these Shazellians growing, and I was like, what is happening?
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  Jenny McCarthy: I wound up having six mouth surgeries to clean.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Keep cleaning.
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  Jenny McCarthy: The infections.
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  Jenny McCarthy: What wound up happening?
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  Jenny McCarthy: The infection got so bad, it went down to the jawbone, turned it into mushroom.
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  Jenny McCarthy: The amount of bones, the grossest, gross, grossest.
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  Jenny McCarthy: The amount of bone grafting that I had, I literally was like, I've eaten more dead people than I ever thought I would like Some people buy a cow, a grass fed cow, cut it up and share it with their family.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm like, I might as well buy a carcass and just chip at it.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, my goodness.
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  Jenny McCarthy: The amount of bone grafting I had, Dr. Jill, for the.
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  Jenny McCarthy: For the over six month period was crazy.
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  Jenny McCarthy: We wound up doing it again and again because I wouldn't heal.
• 10:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So the amount of Shazellian surgeries led up to number seven for seven months every month.
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  Jenny McCarthy: They were growing back.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So now cut to my functional medicine doctor.
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  Jenny McCarthy: My functional medicine doctor says, this isn't right.
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  Jenny McCarthy: You are the healthiest person in terms of.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I do.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I've been doing infrared sauna before people even knew about that.
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  Jenny McCarthy: My son was diagnosed with autism back in 2003.
• 10:53
  Jenny McCarthy: I bought an infrared sauna.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I've been in it almost every day since.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Okay.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I jump on my trampoline.
• 11:01
  Jenny McCarthy: I. I dry brush.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I eat organic.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I have a hyperbaric chamber.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I get into.
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  Jenny McCarthy: It's like.
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  Jenny McCarthy: People thought I was like Michael Jackson back in the day.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I've been doing that for 20 years.
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  Jenny McCarthy: It just goes to show you that someone that's still doing the work can't fight or is tough to go up against such a strong, powerful thing like mold.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So she said to me, you're so healthy, I'm going to test you for mold.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm going to test you for mycotoxins because nothing else is making sense.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And what do I do?
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  Jenny McCarthy: I did exactly what everybody else does, which is this.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I don't have mold.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Exactly.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Let's come back and talk about that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because you're right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I hear it 100% of the time.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: In fact, I never ask anymore, do you have mold exposure?
• 11:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I ask, have you ever had a water leak in your house?
• 11:49
  Jenny McCarthy: That's the right question.
• 11:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 11:51
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, I was like, I don't have mold.
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  Jenny McCarthy: My mold.
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  Jenny McCarthy: My house is super clean.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And, you know, we used the dryers when we did have a leak.
• 11:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 11:57
  Jenny McCarthy: But we had.
• 11:58
  Jenny McCarthy: We had a number of water issues.
• 12:02
  Jenny McCarthy: But also my job, my work, I believe was the initial source.
• 12:10
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'll explain.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I was in a dressing room for the past seven years.
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  Jenny McCarthy: My dressing room, very old.
• 12:18
  Jenny McCarthy: It was I Love Lucy's, like back in the day.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Desi Arnaz's dressing room.
• 12:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
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  Jenny McCarthy: For historic reasons, they wouldn't refurbish.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I had the same walls.
• 12:30
  Jenny McCarthy: I had an air conditioning unit.
• 12:31
  Jenny McCarthy: You guys.
• 12:32
  Jenny McCarthy: From like, literally 1970.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, my goodness.
• 12:35
  Jenny McCarthy: Oh, you cranked.
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  Jenny McCarthy: It had.
• 12:38
  Jenny McCarthy: It was.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And it was.
• 12:40
  Jenny McCarthy: My makeup chair was right Here.
• 12:41
  Jenny McCarthy: And it was right here, just blowing, blowing.
• 12:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, my goodness.
• 12:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
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  Jenny McCarthy: So I noticed my health just degrading as those years went on.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I also noticed my makeup artist, who only worked with me in this dressing room.
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  Jenny McCarthy: She started having symptoms.
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  Jenny McCarthy: She started getting rashes all over.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I get rashes, too, all over my body.
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  Jenny McCarthy: She started rash.
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  Jenny McCarthy: She started having sibo.
• 13:05
  Jenny McCarthy: She started gaining weight.
• 13:06
  Jenny McCarthy: I started gaining weight.
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  Jenny McCarthy: My face looked so ballooning.
• 13:10
  Jenny McCarthy: The under eye bags that I had growing, the eyelids.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I literally.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'd wake up and my eyelids were literally like this.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm like, donnie, something's happening to me.
• 13:19
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm like, I'm either getting old at a rapid pace or I'm becoming allergic to something.
• 13:24
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, something is.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I was going to show you a picture while we're talking.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's why I'm.
• 13:29
  Jenny McCarthy: Please do.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because it's the same thing of, like, the horrificness of what happened to the skin when it's unbelievable.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you have to.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Our eye.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We'll share eye pictures with the crowd because.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, good, good.
• 13:41
  Jenny McCarthy: Crazy.
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  Jenny McCarthy: In fact, now I just found mine.
• 13:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, good.
• 13:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Please show.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Please, please.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We want to see that.
• 13:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Hey, guys.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Just want to quickly interrupt this episode to remind you we're talking about total therapeutic plasma exchange.
• 13:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And if you want to know more, you can visit MD Lifespan, Dr. Jill to get all the details about the mold protocol that we're talking about today on this episode.
• 14:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you can get consult with the doctor to see if it's a good fit for you.
• 14:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You might have questions about it, and they're a wonderful team.
• 14:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They're ready to take your questions.
• 14:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I would encourage you go to MD Lifespan, Dr. Jill, Schedule A consult.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Just get your questions answered.
• 14:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And if all else fails, at least test your mycotoxins in your urine and see if this could beneficial to you as well.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Okay, let's get back to our episode with Jenny McCarthy.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Okay, so I'm going to show you one of my.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'll start off with the shit.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Well, first of all, this was the first tooth.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Look how swollen my mouth is.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like a chipmunk.
• 14:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
• 14:42
  Jenny McCarthy: Like a chipmunk.
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  Jenny McCarthy: And that is, by the way, that's all infection.
• 14:45
  Jenny McCarthy: That's before the.
• 14:47
  Jenny McCarthy: So now this is just a simple allergic.
• 14:49
  Jenny McCarthy: What is happening?
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  Jenny McCarthy: Mold reaction.
• 14:52
  Jenny McCarthy: This is how I was walking around the house.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Face red, super blotchy.
• 14:57
  Jenny McCarthy: These under eye bags.
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  Jenny McCarthy: Now, mind you guys, I'm selling makeup, which we'll get into in a minute.
• 15:02
  Jenny McCarthy: But I kept growing these.
• 15:04
  Jenny McCarthy: These type of things on my eyeballs every four Weeks.
• 15:08
  Jenny McCarthy: These are Shazalians.
• 15:10
  Jenny McCarthy: Every four weeks, it would come back and then I would have to have surgery.
• 15:14
  Jenny McCarthy: I literally caught, like, this one is like, again how it looked.
• 15:17
  Jenny McCarthy: So that's another one that grew back and they just kept coming.
• 15:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That look familiar?
• 15:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Look at that, Jenny.
• 15:23
  Jenny McCarthy: The same thing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I literally lost my eyelashes.
• 15:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, it was me too.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's not even the worst.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If I could find.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's actually good because people, I think, need to see this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I think if you guys are listening.
• 15:34
  Jenny McCarthy: Yes.
• 15:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Hang tight because this is actually worth the share.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's just, like, so profound.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's funny now because in the clinic and I start to see these eye periorbital rashes and things, I'm always like, oh, my gosh, we have to.
• 15:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I literally.
• 15:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And now there's one.
• 15:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I don't know if I can find it quickly enough or not, but literally, I look like a raccoon, except it was bloody red, like, circles around my eyes from.
• 15:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: From the exact same thing.
• 15:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: For me, it was 10 years ago.
• 15:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I so understand.
• 15:58
  Jenny McCarthy: In this, like, total, like, MCAs.
• 16:00
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm literally.
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  Jenny McCarthy: I'm talking to myself going, what is going on in my face, Jenny?
• 16:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I want to just reach out and hug you and.
• 16:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because, like, I've been there and I know how painful it is.
• 16:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it's funny because I'm not where you are in the world.
• 16:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But also as a physician, same types of things.
• 16:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I remember sitting in my car one day and like, I can't go out in public.
• 16:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm supposed to be a healer.
• 16:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm so know how to help myself.
• 16:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And this is a billboard of, like, health and healing.
• 16:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
• 16:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Same with you.
• 16:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And if I go, like, I'm going.
• 16:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And people are like, what's wrong with your face?
• 16:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
• 16:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's so shaming and so shameful about, like.
• 16:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because just like you, all my life, I've done everything right.
• 16:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
• 16:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So then you come against this and you're like, what?
• 16:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And give my story.
• 16:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But the.
• 16:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thank goodness the divine knew I had to go through that and learn because now I'm in the world helping, you know, patients to learn from this.
• 16:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And just like you, if you ever saw a friend that had that, you'd be like, oh, my gosh, talk to your doctor about mold, right?
• 16:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because you've been there.
• 16:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You can recognize it.
• 16:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And like I said, if you're listening to this podcast, I hope that if someone you know or you've seen this weird rashy stuff, not always isn't mold, but this is classical and Our.
• 17:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Our pictures almost look the same, don't they?
• 17:04
  Jenny McCarthy: And it's.
• 17:04
  Jenny McCarthy: It's.
• 17:04
  Jenny McCarthy: I tell everyone with your, you know, your yearly checkups, or even every two years, get a mycotoxin test.
• 17:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
• 17:12
  Jenny McCarthy: Just to see what is in there.
• 17:14
  Jenny McCarthy: Because it's now.
• 17:15
  Jenny McCarthy: It's relatively new in terms of now people going, you know what?
• 17:20
  Jenny McCarthy: Maybe I'll test for it.
• 17:21
  Jenny McCarthy: I just saw something released on the news that say, hey, mold illness is actually worse than we thought.
• 17:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Totally.
• 17:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: CDC just came out last week, and it was like these invasive fungal infections from mold in the hospitals, and they're like 1 in 3 patients dies from it.
• 17:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, it's such a big deal.
• 17:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And no one was talking about it.
• 17:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But that's why I love that with your platform and everything, you're able to talk because bringing awareness to this is so critical.
• 17:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you were saying all these weird things happen.
• 17:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Your eye, the chalazion, the surgery, the jaw.
• 17:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You literally lost part of your jawbone.
• 17:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: When was it.
• 17:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Was it the mycotoxin test that started to steer you?
• 17:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because in that clinic, the doctor was like, do you have mold?
• 17:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And like everybody that I talk to, you're like, no, I'm fine.
• 18:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
• 18:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How.
• 18:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: When did it click for you?
• 18:05
  Jenny McCarthy: It clicked for me once I did the test.
• 18:07
  Jenny McCarthy: She forced me to do a nose swab test and then a urine test.
• 18:13
  Jenny McCarthy: And I purposely then started doing my own little research and saw the symptoms because I also had severe, like, fibromyalgia, pain in my legs.
• 18:25
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm talking.
• 18:26
  Jenny McCarthy: If I had to pick my worst symptom, it was my legs.
• 18:31
  Jenny McCarthy: Even over the eyes and the mouth, you guys.
• 18:33
  Jenny McCarthy: That's how painful my legs were.
• 18:35
  Jenny McCarthy: For two years.
• 18:36
  Jenny McCarthy: I would cry up until 3 o' clock in the morning in scalding hot water.
• 18:40
  Jenny McCarthy: I do Epsom salt baths.
• 18:42
  Jenny McCarthy: I would beating them.
• 18:43
  Jenny McCarthy: I bought compression socks.
• 18:45
  Jenny McCarthy: Not socks, but those.
• 18:46
  Jenny McCarthy: The machine that compresses your legs at night, I'd beating them.
• 18:49
  Jenny McCarthy: I'd be walking around going, oh, my gosh.
• 18:52
  Jenny McCarthy: Oh, my gosh.
• 18:54
  Jenny McCarthy: And then I realized, oh, it's part of that.
• 18:58
  Jenny McCarthy: So when she said to me, you got it?
• 19:01
  Jenny McCarthy: I said, you know what?
• 19:03
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm actually happy because now I know I'm not crazy.
• 19:07
  Jenny McCarthy: I don't have some weird, crazy disease that I was, like, falling apart, you know?
• 19:13
  Jenny McCarthy: So at least we can start to get on it now.
• 19:16
  Jenny McCarthy: By the way, everybody, the story has just begun.
• 19:19
  Jenny McCarthy: We haven't even gotten to now the whole journey of the detox part, because I said to her, I said, let's Go.
• 19:30
  Jenny McCarthy: Because I'm a rule follower.
• 19:32
  Jenny McCarthy: I will do every single.
• 19:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You're the best patient ever, right?
• 19:35
  Jenny McCarthy: Ever, Ever.
• 19:36
  Jenny McCarthy: You don't tell me twice.
• 19:38
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, you don't even have to check in on me.
• 19:39
  Jenny McCarthy: I am going to be the best student ever.
• 19:41
  Jenny McCarthy: I know that my cells have to get healthy in order to detox.
• 19:45
  Jenny McCarthy: I know that my lymphatic pathways have to be open.
• 19:48
  Jenny McCarthy: I know that I have to be pooping regularly.
• 19:51
  Jenny McCarthy: I know that I have to be sweating.
• 19:52
  Jenny McCarthy: I know I learned all these things even before I start.
• 19:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you've been doing them all, too, which I just want to kind of emphasize that for those listening, because you were doing everything right.
• 20:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Everything above and beyond sauna, hyperbaric, detox.
• 20:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm sure you're.
• 20:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I always say clean air, clean water, clean food.
• 20:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I'm sure all those pieces were already in place.
• 20:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And that's why I think it's so important, because in my life, too, I was voted high school class healthiest person survive, you know, like those kinds of things.
• 20:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because even back in high school, I was doing all the right stuff.
• 20:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And yet when mold comes, it has no respecter of persons.
• 20:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It doesn't matter.
• 20:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it can take the most healthy person down.
• 20:30
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, and just to.
• 20:31
  Jenny McCarthy: Just to sidebar for a moment, I'll get back on my detox path.
• 20:34
  Jenny McCarthy: I do believe in some weird way that the divine, I've noticed, is, I don't want to say choosing, but I feel like everyone has a divine path.
• 20:44
  Jenny McCarthy: People that are in our positions that are willing to help spread the word and heal like we are the canaries in the coal mine.
• 20:51
  Jenny McCarthy: So if you are.
• 20:52
  Jenny McCarthy: If you were listening and you were the forefront of this mold, it's.
• 20:56
  Jenny McCarthy: I feel like, you guys, we have a kind of a destiny and a, you know, a faithful servant message here to spread the word and really use this to help people.
• 21:09
  Jenny McCarthy: So as soon as I crack my own code, because I'm a hard nut to crack, I'm going to be like I'm doing now.
• 21:16
  Jenny McCarthy: But I'm like, I want to even go further.
• 21:18
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, we'll see.
• 21:19
  Jenny McCarthy: But I'm still in the process, as you'll hear.
• 21:22
  Jenny McCarthy: So the very first thing that she started me on were some supplements, some just herbal kind of candida stuff, you know, some liver support and the spray,.
• 21:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: The.
• 21:42
  Jenny McCarthy: Antifungal nose spray, egg spray they.
• 21:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Do often for marcons, which is the infection in the nose.
• 21:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I just too.
• 21:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I don't want to interrupt you, but I think it's important those listening.
• 21:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You just.
• 21:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You gave this incredible, compelling story about how it started.
• 21:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And the core thing was there for you guys listening.
• 21:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Most of you know, but mycotoxins are so immunosuppressive.
• 22:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Mycophenolic acid, one of the real common ones, is actually used as a drug called cellcept for organ transplant.
• 22:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's how immunosuppressive it is.
• 22:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So what you were experiencing was like a complete shutdown of your immune system, right?
• 22:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then all of a sudden, the tooth and then eyes and the.
• 22:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then the other thing you mentioned, obviously, like sibo and this infection, like your gut gets really permeable.
• 22:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So then all of a sudden, new food allergies.
• 22:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Why am I sensitive to pineapple now?
• 22:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And all these things happen.
• 22:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then the word finding, it absolutely affects cognition so dramatically.
• 22:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: In fact, Dr. Bredesen's work, which I work with him on Alzheimer's types of patients, we have talked before, and years ago, he said one in three young people with Alzheimer's, meaning 56, 60s, is mold.
• 22:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And just recently, he said, no, Jill, it's two out of three dementia cases are mold related.
• 22:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Okay, go back to your story, but I want to just, like, add a few important points about this.
• 22:51
  Jenny McCarthy: You have to talk me off the ledge that because I'm going to be conquering my mold, that I won't be one of those two out of three because I'm conquering it because I'm so fearful.
• 23:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: No, no.
• 23:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And like I promised you before, we're friends now.
• 23:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm going to help you if I can help you in any way.
• 23:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And it's go public now at the promise, I'm like.
• 23:10
  Jenny McCarthy: So I'm like, I have a child on the spectrum.
• 23:11
  Jenny McCarthy: I need to live as long as possible.
• 23:13
  Jenny McCarthy: This is like my drive every single day.
• 23:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Well, Jenny, let me just say side note, because again, I had this journey, and I really love that you said, I feel like the divine.
• 23:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I've been the divine guinea pig.
• 23:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Breast cancer, Crohn's disease, mold related illness, and overcome all those.
• 23:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But each of those taught me way more than medical training.
• 23:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so just like you have this public voice in the world.
• 23:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm a physician, but each of us has our own lane.
• 23:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And for me, the same passion about spreading the word.
• 23:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because when we have suffering and illness and completely unexplainable circumstances, unless we, like, dive down and find the pearls there and then take them out and give them to the world in a gift and say, hey, this was really hard, but I'm Going to help you with my suffering and my journey, and I'm not going to let it go to waste.
• 23:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I hear that in your journey.
• 23:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And for me, as a physician, I was afraid.
• 23:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I always said, you know, I had breast cancer and Crohn's, but gut and brain whatever, or gut and breast whatever.
• 24:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But my brain, I was like, I cannot lose my brain.
• 24:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And in the midst of that, the same thing.
• 24:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what you mentioned was this word finding.
• 24:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's so bizarre.
• 24:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You just, like, say the wrong word.
• 24:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You can't finish words.
• 24:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But what I will say is, as you do that detox, you can.
• 24:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I believe we can 100% reverse those cognitive things.
• 24:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So keep going.
• 24:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I totally.
• 24:22
  Jenny McCarthy: Okay, good, good.
• 24:23
  Jenny McCarthy: So.
• 24:24
  Jenny McCarthy: So I started on the supplementation.
• 24:27
  Jenny McCarthy: I did my usual routine at teaching, routine everybody of the detox protocol, of the sweating of the trampoline, the hyperbaric chambers.
• 24:35
  Jenny McCarthy: But I also immediately jumped into EBOO E B o O.
• 24:40
  Jenny McCarthy: And that is basically, they clean the blood, they put the ozone light on it and put it back in your body.
• 24:50
  Jenny McCarthy: And I did.
• 24:51
  Jenny McCarthy: Because I'm so gangster.
• 24:52
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm like, I'm doing six sessions.
• 24:54
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm doing back to back successions because I'm going to get this out now.
• 24:58
  Jenny McCarthy: Mind you, within that month, my leg cramps disappeared.
• 25:05
  Jenny McCarthy: I was like, hallelujah.
• 25:08
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, just to have the pain of the leg cramps subside.
• 25:11
  Jenny McCarthy: I was like, this is glorious.
• 25:13
  Jenny McCarthy: This is wonderful.
• 25:15
  Jenny McCarthy: And then my eyes stopped getting the Chalazian things.
• 25:19
  Jenny McCarthy: Yeah, Salience.
• 25:21
  Jenny McCarthy: So I felt like I'm on the path a little bit.
• 25:23
  Jenny McCarthy: I still had, like, rashes, and I still had some food allergies.
• 25:27
  Jenny McCarthy: So by.
• 25:28
  Jenny McCarthy: By the second month, I asked my functional medicine doctor.
• 25:31
  Jenny McCarthy: I was like, listen, I've done now so much reading.
• 25:33
  Jenny McCarthy: Just put me on Sporonox.
• 25:35
  Jenny McCarthy: I want to go on Sporonox, which is antifungal that they're finding it's best for people with mold toxicity.
• 25:44
  Jenny McCarthy: And it really kind of gets after it.
• 25:46
  Jenny McCarthy: So I'm like, I don't want to mess around anymore.
• 25:48
  Jenny McCarthy: Just, I have a healthy system.
• 25:49
  Jenny McCarthy: I have a great liver, so let's just go for it.
• 25:53
  Jenny McCarthy: So she put me on Sporonox, and I said, okay, let's retest me after three months.
• 25:58
  Jenny McCarthy: I just want to get.
• 25:59
  Jenny McCarthy: Get after it.
• 26:01
  Jenny McCarthy: So three months goes by, and she tests me, and I'm like, this is gonna be awesome.
• 26:08
  Jenny McCarthy: And she calls me and she said, wait, I forgot one part of the story.
• 26:14
  Jenny McCarthy: I moved out of my home because we found A little bit of mold in my bathroom.
• 26:20
  Jenny McCarthy: Now, I still think I got it from work, but because I was now more sensitive, I was probably being even more.
• 26:27
  Jenny McCarthy: Which I didn't have a problem ever with a little.
• 26:29
  Jenny McCarthy: I mean, so miniscule.
• 26:31
  Jenny McCarthy: But it doesn't matter.
• 26:32
  Jenny McCarthy: I just was like.
• 26:33
  Jenny McCarthy: I wound up gutting my entire bathroom.
• 26:35
  Jenny McCarthy: And I moved to California where I had a home that I had when I was a single mom that I kept to, like, rent out on the side.
• 26:45
  Jenny McCarthy: So I moved into that and said, you know what, let's live here.
• 26:48
  Jenny McCarthy: Why?
• 26:49
  Jenny McCarthy: We remediate that bathroom and just have healing here.
• 26:53
  Jenny McCarthy: So for those three months I was in California, I walked out and got sunshine.
• 26:57
  Jenny McCarthy: I did all the things.
• 26:58
  Jenny McCarthy: And she calls me and said, you doubled your mold numbers?
• 27:05
  Jenny McCarthy: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Jenny McCarthy: I was like, what are you talking about?
• 27:07
  Jenny McCarthy: I double my no.
• 27:08
  Jenny McCarthy: 1.
• 27:08
  Jenny McCarthy: She's like, you double.
• 27:09
  Jenny McCarthy: You're being rude.
• 27:10
  Jenny McCarthy: Exposed.
• 27:10
  Jenny McCarthy: I said the usual.
• 27:12
  Jenny McCarthy: No, I didn't.
• 27:13
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm not being exposed.
• 27:14
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm not being exposed in this house.
• 27:16
  Jenny McCarthy: I mean, we're exposing myself.
• 27:17
  Jenny McCarthy: I wound up having a mold dog and there was a little tiny patch.
• 27:21
  Jenny McCarthy: And again, not a lot.
• 27:24
  Jenny McCarthy: Yeah, but just a little tiny patch.
• 27:26
  Jenny McCarthy: Remediated, gone, like, great.
• 27:28
  Jenny McCarthy: Back on the path again.
• 27:29
  Jenny McCarthy: Now I am in safe locations.
• 27:32
  Jenny McCarthy: Okay, Now I'm starting the detox.
• 27:35
  Jenny McCarthy: Continuing the detox.
• 27:37
  Jenny McCarthy: Another three months go by and I'm starting to feel leg cramps again.
• 27:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, no.
• 27:45
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm starting to feel leg cramps again.
• 27:46
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm getting a little bit of a swollen eye.
• 27:49
  Jenny McCarthy: And now, mind you, I'm like, okay.
• 27:52
  Jenny McCarthy: I double checked this house.
• 27:54
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, I had it reinspected again.
• 27:56
  Jenny McCarthy: I had the.
• 27:57
  Jenny McCarthy: I had the.
• 27:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Just everything redone, H vac, cleaned and everything, Right?
• 28:01
  Jenny McCarthy: New H vac, a new insulation in the attic.
• 28:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Wow.
• 28:05
  Jenny McCarthy: I mean, you name it.
• 28:07
  Jenny McCarthy: I went, you know, just like literally knocked down walls that didn't need to be knocked down just to make sure.
• 28:13
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm like, what's happening?
• 28:16
  Jenny McCarthy: And then when I looked at it, I'm like, there are some people that have a hard time detoxing.
• 28:22
  Jenny McCarthy: My makeup artist, by the way, who is sick like me, two months clean.
• 28:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: See, you're right.
• 28:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's a huge spectrum of difference.
• 28:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Absolutely different.
• 28:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And when you start to push that detox like you did, you went all in.
• 28:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I would say that excretion, there's this bell shaped curve that can happen.
• 28:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you can sometimes see it go up just because all of a sudden you're excreting more because you're doing Massana and Ebo and all that.
• 28:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Too.
• 28:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then.
• 28:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But you should get to that point where it starts to go down, right?
• 28:51
  Jenny McCarthy: And guess what?
• 28:52
  Jenny McCarthy: It didn't.
• 28:52
  Jenny McCarthy: It didn't go down.
• 28:54
  Jenny McCarthy: So that's when I was.
• 28:56
  Jenny McCarthy: I, I'm.
• 28:58
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm always close to God.
• 28:59
  Jenny McCarthy: I, I surrender to God.
• 29:00
  Jenny McCarthy: And I, I, I was on my knees crying and begging a lot, because don't forget, I've been in surgery for two and a half years.
• 29:08
  Jenny McCarthy: And now this is my.
• 29:10
  Jenny McCarthy: Now I'm in six months of mold detox.
• 29:12
  Jenny McCarthy: That's not working.
• 29:13
  Jenny McCarthy: And my eyes are starting to get a little.
• 29:15
  Jenny McCarthy: I still have a little bit of a shiner underneath here.
• 29:18
  Jenny McCarthy: I still get, like, little bit of, like, eye issues.
• 29:21
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm like, what is happening?
• 29:23
  Jenny McCarthy: And I was at the end of my rope, and I was praying, praying.
• 29:25
  Jenny McCarthy: And I said, please, God, because he always guides me.
• 29:28
  Jenny McCarthy: Please, God, guide me to what I'm supposed to do next.
• 29:32
  Jenny McCarthy: I promise.
• 29:32
  Jenny McCarthy: And I said this about my son with autism.
• 29:34
  Jenny McCarthy: If you teach me how to heal my son, I'll teach the world how I did it.
• 29:39
  Jenny McCarthy: And I said, if you teach me how to heal myself, I will teach the world how I did it.
• 29:44
  Jenny McCarthy: And so TPE Therapeutic Plasma exchange came to me, and I was.
• 29:50
  Jenny McCarthy: And I started reading about it, and I was like, okay, this looks like it was a.
• 29:56
  Jenny McCarthy: It was a modality that was made for someone like me.
• 30:00
  Jenny McCarthy: And I refer to myself as a hard nut to crack.
• 30:03
  Jenny McCarthy: And that is who TPE is for, isn't it?
• 30:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes, exactly.
• 30:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because people are like, it's expensive.
• 30:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Is it forever?
• 30:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: No.
• 30:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But for someone like you or many of my patients that are really stuck, it is been a game changer.
• 30:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What an amazing story, too.
• 30:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I don't want to go over the fact that you prayed for this wisdom, because I'm always very open to every person out there.
• 30:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I'm like, I personally have a deep faith, and I got as often, even I'm sitting with a patient sometimes, like, God give me wisdom.
• 30:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I so often have to point to those divine.
• 30:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, that's where I give all the glory there.
• 30:34
  Jenny McCarthy: Because I know.
• 30:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I know where I totally.
• 30:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I just love that you shared that because I share that same faith.
• 30:41
  Jenny McCarthy: I said a prayer and a blessing over this podcast before we started.
• 30:44
  Jenny McCarthy: It took me, I signed in early just to pray for us and get that message out clearly.
• 30:49
  Jenny McCarthy: And, you know, I do want to bring up.
• 30:51
  Jenny McCarthy: I do want.
• 30:51
  Jenny McCarthy: And, And I will have you bring up and explain it because I want to post this on my social media as well.
• 30:57
  Jenny McCarthy: You can probably explain TPE better than I can.
• 30:59
  Jenny McCarthy: But I do want to explain because people have come up to me and asked me about the cost, and I'm like, yes, there is a cost associated with this.
• 31:08
  Jenny McCarthy: And.
• 31:09
  Jenny McCarthy: But it's honestly, it is less than what I have spent in the last six months on detox mold.
• 31:18
  Jenny McCarthy: Trying to detox.
• 31:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Exactly.
• 31:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 31:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You take the supplements.
• 31:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Totally.
• 31:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So cute.
• 31:22
  Jenny McCarthy: I would say 100 supplements a day, which I know is probably.
• 31:26
  Jenny McCarthy: It is too many, but.
• 31:29
  Jenny McCarthy: And all the other modalities, I was spending so much more chasing, healing that wasn't working, instead of just surrendering and doing the nuclear option and investing in what I know will work.
• 31:44
  Jenny McCarthy: And what I've learned about TPE is that it's really not a matter of, like, if it will work, it's how many sessions will it take to work.
• 31:53
  Jenny McCarthy: And I also tell people this.
• 31:55
  Jenny McCarthy: There isn't a one size fits all.
• 31:57
  Jenny McCarthy: That's why you should go call and get a free consultation with MD Life.
• 32:01
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm in great hands, by the way, with MD Lifespan.
• 32:04
  Jenny McCarthy: They are so wonderful.
• 32:06
  Jenny McCarthy: This is all they do.
• 32:08
  Jenny McCarthy: This is their specialty.
• 32:09
  Jenny McCarthy: They have success in it.
• 32:11
  Jenny McCarthy: And I know this because I've seen the data.
• 32:13
  Jenny McCarthy: I've like, show me the proof.
• 32:15
  Jenny McCarthy: Show me the paperwork where this works.
• 32:17
  Jenny McCarthy: And I saw that it you literally, as each session goes, you can see this massive drop in your toxins.
• 32:25
  Jenny McCarthy: You can see the percentages go down from like 90% to 60% to 40%.
• 32:30
  Jenny McCarthy: And I was so blown away.
• 32:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's just bold, right?
• 32:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, that's a great thing is like.
• 32:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And maybe I'll just pause real quick to disclaim what it is.
• 32:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So if you think of a simple way, and you probably got great analogies too, it's like an oil change for your car.
• 32:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So what you're doing is you get hooked up to two large boar IVs on each arm, and they're taking that blood out, pulling out the plasma which contains all the garbage.
• 32:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So the plastics, the parabens, and for example, microplastic.
• 32:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We have no binder, we have no detox for microplastics.
• 32:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right?
• 32:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we're talking mold today, which I think is one of the worst toxins of all.
• 33:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But we're seeing this exponential rise in polyfluorinated compounds like Teflon and Gore Tex and all the yoga where wear that's plastic.
• 33:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And all these things are getting into our bodies.
• 33:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And we now, even as great functional medicine, doctors with good protocols, we don't have ways to pull out the plan plastic.
• 33:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Except for Something like this.
• 33:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you go in, and what Jenny's describing is most people, like, with the mold protocol, it's usually about five sessions, but you might do really well in three or four, and you might need six to eight or nine.
• 33:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And everybody's different.
• 33:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But what happens is that pulling out of the plasma, you exchange it with a neutral albumin, which albumin is the universal binder.
• 33:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It is the best mold binder you could possibly put back into your body.
• 33:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then over those next three to four weeks, because you separate them out by four weeks, this tissue burden that you were inhaling, so the process of mold is you inhale it through the nose, goes to the alveoli.
• 33:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: The mycotoxins are 2.5 microns, are smaller.
• 33:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They're so small, they go right through the alveoli.
• 33:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's no filter there at all.
• 33:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Unlike the liver, if you were to ingest it, they go into your tissues.
• 33:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: All of a sudden you have this huge body burden like you came up to, and that body burden is suppressing your immune system and causing inflammation and infection.
• 34:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you and I are probably both those canaries, and that don't detox really well naturally.
• 34:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we just get this accumulation, like a bucket of water, and that water spills over the top.
• 34:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then we start like, I can't think, I can't focus, My legs hurt.
• 34:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: This eyes are horrible.
• 34:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: The jaw is horrible.
• 34:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And many, many other things I could name that.
• 34:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: People have trouble breathing, sinus infections, bad gut issues, heartburn, histamine issues, mast cell activation.
• 34:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so this presents with this load of water.
• 34:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And we.
• 34:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: When you get that plasma exchange, you're filtering that out.
• 34:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then what happens over the next four weeks is your body equilibrizes, and that toxic load in your tissues goes back into the plasma.
• 34:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then you filter that out again.
• 34:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so what's really cool, unlike what the protocol you did, which I've done and I give to all my patients, it's like liver support, glutathione binders.
• 34:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: With those, you have mobilization and excretion, and you can mobilize really quickly.
• 35:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like you.
• 35:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If.
• 35:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If you do sauna every day and you take tons of binders, and sometimes when you mobilize out of the tissues back to the blood, which is where then your kidneys and liver filter it, you get more sick in the process because your body cannot excrete it as quickly as you're mobilizing it.
• 35:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Whereas with plasma exchange, it's such a gentle.
• 35:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It feels like it's very aggressive but it actually is so gentle because you're just removing this load.
• 35:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then the body's like, oh, okay, we can release more from the tissues and goes back into the blood over four weeks.
• 35:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And you do it again and again.
• 35:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So back to your story.
• 35:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I think it's just.
• 35:33
  Jenny McCarthy: Can I ask you a question about that?
• 35:34
  Jenny McCarthy: Because I was doing two IVs a week, high dose vitamin C, and I was also doing 2500 of glutathione push.
• 35:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Okay, okay.
• 35:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So lots of.
• 35:47
  Jenny McCarthy: I was doing a lot.
• 35:48
  Jenny McCarthy: And I was like, why isn't that working per se?
• 35:51
  Jenny McCarthy: But if you're saying it's.
• 35:52
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm just recycling.
• 35:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 35:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So let's go to that real quick because this will be for people and you probably know most of this.
• 35:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But for those listening, what happens is I want to go back to the process.
• 36:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Once you understand the process and you're like, oh, no wonder.
• 36:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Well, no wonder I was sick.
• 36:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: No wonder I didn't get well.
• 36:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: No wonder therapeutic plasma exchange is so helpful.
• 36:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So when we ingest mold, which is years ago, all we had was like animal studies, because livestock would have moldy hay, they would get sick.
• 36:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so the original studies were all on cows and pigs and horses and stuff because they didn't want to lose their livestock and they were getting mold, but that was ingestion.
• 36:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So a lot of the scientists will be like, oh, there's no mold illness.
• 36:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's all ingestion in our food.
• 36:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so when you have mycotoxins in the urine, they will say, which is not true.
• 36:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I'm going to tell you why that it's all because you're ingesting moldy foods.
• 36:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Okay, so what happens when we ingest?
• 36:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Our liver is our filter.
• 36:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so before it ever goes anywhere in our body, it gets digested in the gut, absorbed in the bloodstream, goes right to the liver.
• 36:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And 30, 40, 50% of that is filtered by the liver.
• 36:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And of course, there's a threshold there, but you have a lot of filtration in the liver.
• 36:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If you ingest mold, it is not nearly as toxic.
• 36:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And when you're looking at aflatoxin, ochratoxin, trichosathines, gliotoxin, and fusarium, which are the top five that we're testing.
• 37:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You will often see aflatoxin for peanuts, maybe a little okra, but you will never see trigger or gliotoxin from mold.
• 37:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's.
• 37:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's colonization, it's exposure.
• 37:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Now, the other thing, like your air conditioning story in the old I Love Lucy Studio so I'm just going, oh, this makes so much sense, because inhalation.
• 37:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So when we go into a moldy building, within five seconds of inhaling, it's going into our lungs, the mycotoxins.
• 37:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And again, mold spores are big.
• 37:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Our lungs can filter those out.
• 37:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They're kind of like pieces of dust and debris.
• 37:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We could probably see.
• 37:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: See them, but the toxins the mold produces are less than the size of a virus.
• 37:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we inhale that.
• 37:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah, 2.5 microns.
• 37:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we inhale that, and then that goes right from our alveoli into our blood.
• 37:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's no filter.
• 37:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: None whatsoever.
• 37:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And that's why people who go into a moldy building once they've been sensitized and kind of understand this.
• 37:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: If I go to a hotel room and there's mold, within seconds, I'm like, there's mold here.
• 37:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I feel it, right?
• 38:01
  Jenny McCarthy: But then am I in my toxified?
• 38:02
  Jenny McCarthy: Then I get paranoid.
• 38:03
  Jenny McCarthy: I go, oh, my God.
• 38:04
  Jenny McCarthy: I had 2.2seconds of breathing this in.
• 38:05
  Jenny McCarthy: Now I'm, no, no, because you're.
• 38:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Again, your load is dead because your bucket was so full.
• 38:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And now, because the tpe, you've brought it down.
• 38:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So now you have margin.
• 38:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And once we have margin, God gave us the ability to detox.
• 38:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We are detox machines if given the right circumstance, right?
• 38:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So when that happens, then we actually have.
• 38:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: When we bring that water level down with TPE or whatever detox methods, although tpe, like, we agree, is really great, when we bring that down that margin, then allows us to do what were meant to do, which is mobilize them out of the tissues.
• 38:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So back to the alveoli, into the bloodstream, directly into tissues.
• 38:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like, it just goes down the stream of the blood gets deposited in our arms and legs and fat and tissues, and then it's stuck in our body.
• 38:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so then the backwards route of that is we mobilize it out of the tissues.
• 38:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That could be lymphatic drainage, dry brushing, Epsom, salt baths, infrared sauna, IV therapy, glutathione, all these ways.
• 38:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what we're doing is we're mobilizing that out of the tissues.
• 39:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We're saying, hey, let's get that back into the blood.
• 39:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then our kidneys, which we urinate out, or our gut, our liver, which then we poop out, will filter those toxins out and excrete them in the poop and the urine and the sweat and the tears, whatever we have in our body.
• 39:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But what's so interesting is what you Mentioned is mobilization is actually quite easy.
• 39:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We take tons of glutathione, we do all these things.
• 39:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Excretion, there's a rate limiting step there because if we have poor detox or poor lymphatics or all these things, so we get stuck and then we can be doing all the glutathione in the world and we're getting worse instead of better.
• 39:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Whereas tpe, there's this, not this mobilization.
• 39:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Excretion has to be a yin and yang balance.
• 39:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But with tpe, you don't need that.
• 39:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You just take the load off and the tissue like, okay, release.
• 39:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Does that make sense?
• 39:46
  Jenny McCarthy: Yes, it makes total sense.
• 39:48
  Jenny McCarthy: And thank you for explaining that.
• 39:49
  Jenny McCarthy: That was so good.
• 39:50
  Jenny McCarthy: I could talk to you forever about this.
• 39:54
  Jenny McCarthy: Also, I want to share with everybody, by the way, what is going to make you feel so comfortable if you do invest in getting tpe, is that they do the testing.
• 40:04
  Jenny McCarthy: They do intense testing.
• 40:05
  Jenny McCarthy: What I mean by that is they did a toxin panel in me.
• 40:09
  Jenny McCarthy: It wasn't just mold.
• 40:10
  Jenny McCarthy: It was my aluminum levels.
• 40:12
  Jenny McCarthy: By the way, my aluminum levels were off the charts, which terrifies me because I'm like, I'm so scared of dementia.
• 40:18
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm like, I.
• 40:19
  Jenny McCarthy: And it's hard to detox the luminum out of the brain, so you're gonna have to talk me out the ledge of that one.
• 40:24
  Jenny McCarthy: Then my arsenic levels were through the roof.
• 40:27
  Jenny McCarthy: And my doctor's like, where are you getting all of these toxins?
• 40:31
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, I don't know.
• 40:32
  Jenny McCarthy: All I could think is, like, chemtrails from aluminum and my body can't detox.
• 40:36
  Jenny McCarthy: I don't know.
• 40:37
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, I don't know, but my body is collecting.
• 40:40
  Jenny McCarthy: And they were literally, you guys, they're through the roof.
• 40:42
  Jenny McCarthy: Of course I'm high in mercury, I'm high, super high in arsenic.
• 40:46
  Jenny McCarthy: So all of these things I'm going to be able to test to see how well the TPE is taking these levels down.
• 40:55
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm so excited about that.
• 40:57
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm so excited.
• 40:58
  Jenny McCarthy: Just as I'm excited about the mold, I'm excited to see my, you know, arsenic go down and all these other numbers go down.
• 41:04
  Jenny McCarthy: And they will.
• 41:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And that's what's great about tpe.
• 41:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You're doing a total filtration of the blood.
• 41:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's like there's nothing it can't get.
• 41:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I mean, if you can filter, if it's in the plasma, it's going to go down.
• 41:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Where are you at in the journey of that?
• 41:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what has been your experience?
• 41:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Has it been pretty Comfortable.
• 41:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Has there been any?
• 41:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because I've heard most of our patients, we actually do it in our clinic, MD Lifespan.
• 41:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm.
• 41:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That is their thing, they just sublease.
• 41:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So they are in my clinic in Boulder, Colorado.
• 41:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So if anybody's in Denver.
• 41:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 41:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You could get this done through MD Lifespan in my clinic movie.
• 41:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Sure.
• 41:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And link up to that later.
• 41:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But.
• 41:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But back to your story.
• 41:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How many sessions have you had?
• 41:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What's been your experience?
• 41:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Anything that surprised you?
• 41:46
  Jenny McCarthy: So I've only done one so far.
• 41:48
  Jenny McCarthy: And of course, and it's totally normal to be nervous or hesitant at first because you're like, oh my gosh, is this super intense?
• 41:56
  Jenny McCarthy: And oh my God, I'm not sure.
• 41:58
  Jenny McCarthy: But when you've been as sick as me, when you've tried every single modality, supplements, detox pathway and hasn't worked, it was easy then to say yes.
• 42:09
  Jenny McCarthy: It was easy to welcome it with open arms.
• 42:13
  Jenny McCarthy: So when I was driving to my TPE session, I was like, I.
• 42:16
  Jenny McCarthy: The tiger.
• 42:16
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm like, yes, we're gonna go.
• 42:20
  Jenny McCarthy: I walked in the office.
• 42:21
  Jenny McCarthy: In fact, I just made a whole video of my whole session that I'm gonna post on my YouTube channel this week.
• 42:27
  Jenny McCarthy: So it'll be up on Jenny McCarthy TV of my whole session.
• 42:31
  Jenny McCarthy: It's a 45 minute video, you guys.
• 42:34
  Jenny McCarthy: I take you through the whole thing and I mean, I'm kind of gangster when it comes to getting like IVs and stuff like that.
• 42:41
  Jenny McCarthy: So it wasn't hard for me to get, you know, poked and stuff.
• 42:45
  Jenny McCarthy: And it was super easy because again, MB lifespan, they specialize and this is what they do.
• 42:51
  Jenny McCarthy: They know what they're doing.
• 42:52
  Jenny McCarthy: The nurse was so smart in just helping me understand the whole situation of like, we have to put as you have to replace the fluids that you're taking out.
• 43:06
  Jenny McCarthy: Which is what I'm realizing.
• 43:08
  Jenny McCarthy: That's why you have to put that special solution in.
• 43:12
  Jenny McCarthy: Correct.
• 43:12
  Jenny McCarthy: Because you can't have your body just lose it.
• 43:14
  Jenny McCarthy: All right?
• 43:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Then you're like, your volume is down, so you need that volume back.
• 43:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 43:19
  Jenny McCarthy: So he kept saying to me, he kept checking me throughout the session, are you feeling okay?
• 43:23
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm like, well, what are the side effects that people feel so I can know if something's happening?
• 43:29
  Jenny McCarthy: He's like, some people get dizzy, some people get a little nauseous.
• 43:32
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, some people can even.
• 43:34
  Jenny McCarthy: I've had someone maybe throw up because their blood sugar level is off.
• 43:38
  Jenny McCarthy: Or anything like that, but I'm able to monitor that.
• 43:40
  Jenny McCarthy: I monitor you.
• 43:41
  Jenny McCarthy: They really monitor you.
• 43:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 43:43
  Jenny McCarthy: And he had me drink applesauce.
• 43:45
  Jenny McCarthy: Applesauce.
• 43:46
  Jenny McCarthy: Drink apple juice in the middle of the session.
• 43:48
  Jenny McCarthy: But I have to tell you, I felt nothing but joy.
• 43:53
  Jenny McCarthy: I.
• 43:54
  Jenny McCarthy: They told me I might get tired a little bit afterwards.
• 43:57
  Jenny McCarthy: I wasn't at all.
• 43:58
  Jenny McCarthy: In fact, I think I was so hyped up with adrenaline because I was so excited to, like, I looked at those plasma bags.
• 44:06
  Jenny McCarthy: If you saw me on Instagram, I'm just like, oh, gosh, plasma backed out.
• 44:12
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, and like I said, you guys, it's so rewarding to know that before, you know, we do the next one, we're going.
• 44:20
  Jenny McCarthy: We're going to.
• 44:21
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm going to retest everything.
• 44:23
  Jenny McCarthy: And you constantly test and monitor how your levels are.
• 44:27
  Jenny McCarthy: And that feels so comforting to know.
• 44:30
  Jenny McCarthy: And it gives you that support to like, I'm finally on the right track.
• 44:34
  Jenny McCarthy: I picked the right therapy.
• 44:36
  Jenny McCarthy: And I also say someone's like, you know, that is.
• 44:38
  Jenny McCarthy: That's such an expensive therapy.
• 44:39
  Jenny McCarthy: And I'm like, you're right.
• 44:40
  Jenny McCarthy: And guess what else is?
• 44:42
  Jenny McCarthy: Getting new teeth.
• 44:45
  Jenny McCarthy: It cost me 10 times.
• 44:47
  Jenny McCarthy: We need to have a bigger conversation about health care and the cost of health care.
• 44:51
  Jenny McCarthy: That's ridiculous.
• 44:51
  Jenny McCarthy: But if you go.
• 44:52
  Jenny McCarthy: If anyone has gone to a dentist and had their teeth removed or root canals or having to put implants in, it is a freaking fortune.
• 45:00
  Jenny McCarthy: And guess what?
• 45:01
  Jenny McCarthy: You got to do it.
• 45:02
  Jenny McCarthy: You just got to do it.
• 45:04
  Jenny McCarthy: And so for me, this was like, jenny, this is what you got to do.
• 45:08
  Jenny McCarthy: And I made cuts in my life where I had to and knew that, you know, I'm like, some celebrities are.
• 45:14
  Jenny McCarthy: I see celebrities all the time going Gucci Versace and showing their shoes and their purses.
• 45:21
  Jenny McCarthy: You will never see me on social.
• 45:24
  Jenny McCarthy: You know what?
• 45:24
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm going, this is tpe.
• 45:27
  Jenny McCarthy: This is Igbo.
• 45:28
  Jenny McCarthy: This is my hyperbaric chamber.
• 45:29
  Jenny McCarthy: This is my infrared sauna.
• 45:31
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, these are my healing modalities.
• 45:33
  Jenny McCarthy: That.
• 45:34
  Jenny McCarthy: And.
• 45:34
  Jenny McCarthy: And I know that, again, cost can be an issue for.
• 45:37
  Jenny McCarthy: For people, and I totally understand that, but I would also be.
• 45:41
  Jenny McCarthy: It would also be a sin for me to not let people know.
• 45:46
  Jenny McCarthy: At least there's another option out there.
• 45:49
  Jenny McCarthy: It would be.
• 45:49
  Jenny McCarthy: It would be a miss of me for.
• 45:51
  Jenny McCarthy: It would be horrible.
• 45:52
  Jenny McCarthy: Like, I couldn't sleep at night if I didn't let people know that.
• 45:55
  Jenny McCarthy: This could be what I call the nuclear option when all else fails.
• 46:00
  Jenny McCarthy: And you can keep spending money.
• 46:01
  Jenny McCarthy: You can keep spending money on supplements, on more doctor's appointments on a new different doctor because you think this doctor's not working because you're not healing on, you know, remediating 8 billion times when really it's just your body not detoxing.
• 46:19
  Jenny McCarthy: To me, this was the answer to say, okay, this is my nuclear option.
• 46:23
  Jenny McCarthy: I'm ready to get.
• 46:25
  Jenny McCarthy: Just to get it done this time to do it.
• 46:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I couldn't agree more.
• 46:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I've been doing this over 20 years.
• 46:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That makes you kind of old.
• 46:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But.
• 46:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But the important thing is, I would say compared to 20 years ago, detox was easy.
• 46:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And the complexity of what we're dealing with in our environment now, between plastics, parabens, mold is exponentially increasing.
• 46:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I don't know all the causes, but I think building construction is worse.
• 46:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I think the quality of materials is worse.
• 46:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I think our maintenance, what people knowledge is worse.
• 46:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And there's all these things.
• 46:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I think WI fi is actually creating more aggressive mold species.
• 47:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We put paints, we put anti fungicides, which means anti mold in most of the pains in the 1970s.
• 47:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So what it did was create just like we have antibiotic resistance now we have these nasty aggressive molds that grow inside homes because we kind of killed off the milder.
• 47:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Not so like our grandmother's mildew.
• 47:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's not in homes anymore.
• 47:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: It's stachybotrys and catomium and they're really nasty and they do affect the nervous system and the brain way more.
• 47:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So there's this whole thing where.
• 47:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so there it is getting worse is what I'm saying.
• 47:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we need bigger solutions.
• 47:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And more importantly, can I ask you this too?
• 47:34
  Jenny McCarthy: This is my Jenny theory too.
• 47:38
  Jenny McCarthy: But let me tell you that because I agree that those are all of the reasons that I feel like we are seeing it more and more too.
• 47:43
  Jenny McCarthy: And I also feel like Covid happened and this virus, this spike protein did something to our immune system.
• 47:52
  Jenny McCarthy: Now, mind you, I was not vaccinated.
• 47:54
  Jenny McCarthy: If you know my history.
• 47:55
  Jenny McCarthy: I had my vaccine injured son, so I wasn't vaccinated.
• 47:58
  Jenny McCarthy: But you still can have that spike protein in your body and it still can dent, I think do something to your immune system.
• 48:05
  Jenny McCarthy: I noticed my immune system has never quite been as strong since I got the virus.
• 48:11
  Jenny McCarthy: Is there truth to that, Jenny?
• 48:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I want to talk about that because there is a very good scientific explanation.
• 48:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So back in the day of COVID I was looking at patterns and that's what I do.
• 48:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And like, huh, there's something weird here.
• 48:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But now that I've seen the whole thing and there's research to prove this out there.
• 48:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I've interviewed several researchers, Polybiomed and a few others that talk about this because they're in a lab actually looking at postmortem tissues.
• 48:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So what happens is the macrophages, which are part of the T cells, they will often retain spike protein.
• 48:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We can measure this.
• 48:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There's literally a test I can do to check for retained spike protein in the blood in the macrophages.
• 48:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And normally those cells as a part of the T cells in the immune system, and they're supposed to go out there and fight viruses and cancer.
• 48:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And anyone who's out there, especially medical like me, is seeing increase in turbo cancers, younger people getting cancer, more and more people, you know, getting cancer.
• 48:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And the viral load, reactivation of Epstein Barr, cmv, cold sores, herpetic viruses, shingles.
• 49:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You all know someone who's been like, I'm 35 and I have a horrible case of shingles.
• 49:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I was hospitalized.
• 49:09
  Jenny McCarthy: How many people have gotten shingles?
• 49:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
• 49:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So this is all related because those T cells, I mean, they do everything, but they particularly good for viruses and cancer.
• 49:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what's happening is post Covid, these macrophages, because of that retention, they get dysfunctional instead of like dying off with autophagy, meaning they kind of be like, okay, we're done.
• 49:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They die off and go away.
• 49:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They hang around immortalized and they cause problems.
• 49:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So they're not functioning, they're just there causing.
• 49:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They're like taking up space and not doing their job.
• 49:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And literally you could measure this.
• 49:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So we have decreased T cell function Post Covid, sometimes six to 12 months, sometimes longer.
• 49:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I've seen people years out that have been vaccine injured or post Covid, long Covid, Both those groups will have often these retained spike proteins for years, the B cell function, which is your antibodies.
• 49:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So autoimmunity is at an all time high.
• 49:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thyroiditis, Hashimoto's, lupus, Crohn's colitis, multiple sclerosis.
• 50:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I could name 101 others.
• 50:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Rheumatoid arthritis.
• 50:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Right.
• 50:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So these B cells are becoming more active after.
• 50:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then there's often an adrenal hormonal axis dysfunction.
• 50:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So you get adrenal fun fatigue or some HPA axis dysfunction, which then makes, as were talking at the beginning, menopause, and we thought.
• 50:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I thought that too.
• 50:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'm like, oh, it's all menopause, but it's.
• 50:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I mean, it is.
• 50:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And yet it's way bigger than that.
• 50:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Then the hormones don't function.
• 50:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So a lot of these Toxins also.
• 50:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So COVID infections post viral long Covid often affect that whole axis.
• 50:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So that even if you're going through menopause and you might have done okay, it's way worse because like your adrenals aren't functioning or your thyroid's not functioning.
• 50:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So anyway, this bottom line story is absolutely.
• 50:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: There is this diminishing of immunity in the last five years and I think a huge part of it is the spike protein.
• 50:52
  Jenny McCarthy: Now is it true that the TPE can remove the spike protein?
• 50:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I talked to Paul.
• 50:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So Paul Savage is one of the founders and again he's a friend and he came to me and said, hey Jill, could we use your office?
• 51:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So that's kind of how I got involved.
• 51:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I was so excited because I love being on the cutting edge and I wanted to do it myself.
• 51:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And then also just I knew for to our conversation this was a thing that were at the point where our regular detox protocols are not working very well anymore.
• 51:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So Paul introduced this about a year and a half ago.
• 51:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And what I was going to say is I've asked him multiple times, you know, what about plastics?
• 51:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What about spike protein?
• 51:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: A few of these other things.
• 51:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We know it reduces plastics hands down and it's one of the only things that does because we don't have a binder that can bind plastics.
• 51:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Spike protein, we believe that it reduces the load, but up until the moment we don't have evidence.
• 51:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I think that'll be coming because Paul is very avid on collecting data.
• 51:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So, you know, I think we'll have that.
• 51:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I don't have the proof.
• 51:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But I can say it makes a lot of sense that it would likely do that too.
• 51:54
  Jenny McCarthy: To me it makes sense that it would.
• 51:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 51:57
  Jenny McCarthy: You know.
• 51:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 51:57
  Jenny McCarthy: Because you're.
• 51:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 51:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because it's in the plasma and in the tissues and in the.
• 52:00
  Jenny McCarthy: Yeah, it just makes sense.
• 52:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah.
• 52:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Jenny, I could.
• 52:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: This is so fun.
• 52:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We have to come back or in some way do the take two of this.
• 52:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Maybe after you get done with your sessions we can go.
• 52:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Okay.
• 52:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: How was it?
• 52:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: We can actually show before and after, but as we're kind of winding down, I want to talk to that person out there right now more than ever before.
• 52:20
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I could just cry because just this week get a 7 year old girl who was so suffering from very severe deficiency in immune system and mold is one of the players and other things, but there's so many people out there suffering.
• 52:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I want to just go back to your story and the human part of it.
• 52:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like you found these answers and we're here hopefully bringing hope to those who don't have answers.
• 52:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: They can look deeper and find a doc that can help them and all of those things.
• 52:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But where do you find that deepest source of strength and energy and hope?
• 52:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Like how do you come to this?
• 52:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Because I just want to give some pieces of wisdom to those people out there because you've been there and with your son too.
• 53:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I want to give them something to hang onto, to know there is hope regardless of their circumstances.
• 53:08
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, honestly, lean into God, lean into the Lord.
• 53:13
  Jenny McCarthy: Even if I beg you, even if you're a non believer, ask for proof, say, you know what?
• 53:21
  Jenny McCarthy: If you're real, give me a sign and ask for the sign.
• 53:25
  Jenny McCarthy: Like try to lean in.
• 53:27
  Jenny McCarthy: Because there is nothing more powerful than faith healing.
• 53:31
  Jenny McCarthy: There's nothing more powerful than faith, direction and giving you hope.
• 53:34
  Jenny McCarthy: You know, I think I just also to know that we are all destined.
• 53:41
  Jenny McCarthy: We all have a destiny, we all have a purpose, but we also have free will.
• 53:46
  Jenny McCarthy: So if this is in your life right now, ask how can I use this to benefit my life and for other people?
• 53:57
  Jenny McCarthy: How can I help people with what I've been handed?
• 54:00
  Jenny McCarthy: When my son was diagnosed with autism, he had life threatening seizures.
• 54:04
  Jenny McCarthy: He would go into cardiac arrest.
• 54:06
  Jenny McCarthy: I was like, why me?
• 54:07
  Jenny McCarthy: Why me?
• 54:08
  Jenny McCarthy: I didn't let that last too long though, because I said, how?
• 54:13
  Jenny McCarthy: God, show me why this is beneficial for me in my life.
• 54:18
  Jenny McCarthy: How am I able to use this and turn this into a positive?
• 54:22
  Jenny McCarthy: And you have to be able to ask that question and you will receive those answers.
• 54:27
  Jenny McCarthy: There might be someone you are, you could very well just be the canary in the corner.
• 54:32
  Jenny McCarthy: Coal mine for your own family.
• 54:34
  Jenny McCarthy: Think about the women that are tweeting in the house and maybe the husband.
• 54:38
  Jenny McCarthy: The husband doesn't usually feel stuff, you know, most of the time.
• 54:42
  Jenny McCarthy: And even sometimes the kids do feel it, but sometimes they don't.
• 54:45
  Jenny McCarthy: Sometimes it's only mom.
• 54:47
  Jenny McCarthy: You might just be that canary tweeting to let, to take.
• 54:51
  Jenny McCarthy: Warning, warning, family, warning, you know, so there is a purpose, there is a higher purpose for what you've been handed.
• 54:59
  Jenny McCarthy: Just lean into God, pray and I promise you there will be blessings that come your way because of it.
• 55:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh Jenny, I couldn't have said it better myself.
• 55:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thank you for sharing that there could be no more important message.
• 55:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Twenty some years ago, when I was given the diagnosis of aggressive breast cancer.
• 55:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I'll never forget hearing this verse.
• 55:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: The sickness will not end in death, but for the glory of God, that was my first, like, intro to.
• 55:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, wait, this is horrible.
• 55:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I could die.
• 55:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: But is there something good here?
• 55:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And from that moment, I realized my occupation as a healer was almost secondary to the learning and the suffering and then bringing that to my patients and my work.
• 55:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And so now I can look back at all the things that have happened and be like, oh, God, you had a purpose in this.
• 55:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: So I really love that you shared that.
• 55:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Now, before we go, you've got incredible line of products.
• 55:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You sent me some to try.
• 55:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I wanted to talk over that.
• 55:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Where can people find them?
• 55:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: What led you to do Formless?
• 55:54
  Jenny McCarthy: So, you know, I made this five years ago.
• 55:56
  Jenny McCarthy: Mind you, I've been suffering for seven years.
• 55:58
  Jenny McCarthy: So is there a connection that I couldn't handle fragrance, I couldn't handle toxins.
• 56:02
  Jenny McCarthy: I had sensitive skin, and I knew that were people out there that had.
• 56:06
  Jenny McCarthy: That were on chemo, that had lupus, that had Ms.
• 56:08
  Jenny McCarthy: I have celiac disease, Hashimoto's.
• 56:11
  Jenny McCarthy: So there's a lot of things.
• 56:12
  Jenny McCarthy: So I said I was just looking for a clean beauty brand that didn't have all the toxins, but I didn't know how to make one.
• 56:19
  Jenny McCarthy: So I aligned with the environmental working group and your audience might know.
• 56:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Oh, yes, I love them.
• 56:25
  Jenny McCarthy: Okay, so ewg we.
• 56:28
  Jenny McCarthy: I met with them and said, I'm going to create a beauty brand around your restrictions with your scientists help.
• 56:33
  Jenny McCarthy: So I took all of their restrictions, their books, to say, you can't use these ingredients and formed a moisturizer, a makeup remover, mascara.
• 56:42
  Jenny McCarthy: We are EWG verified, which means we're the highest of the cleanest.
• 56:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Jenny, that's unheard of.
• 56:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: This is so I didn't know the backstory.
• 56:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: That's amazing.
• 56:53
  Jenny McCarthy: Oh, yeah.
• 56:53
  Jenny McCarthy: So it's so I highly suggest if you are sensitive, if you care about ingredients, if you don't want any more toxic overload, check out Formless Beauty.
• 57:02
  Jenny McCarthy: And you can use my discount code, Jenny 10.
• 57:05
  Jenny McCarthy: And I highly suggest trying our mascara.
• 57:08
  Jenny McCarthy: It doesn't have hormone disruptors.
• 57:10
  Jenny McCarthy: All mascara has hormone disruptors in it.
• 57:13
  Jenny McCarthy: Ours doesn't, you guys.
• 57:14
  Jenny McCarthy: Ours does not.
• 57:15
  Jenny McCarthy: It doesn't have parabens, formaldehydes, you know, all that bad stuff.
• 57:18
  Jenny McCarthy: So give our makeup a try.
• 57:21
  Jenny McCarthy: We've had so many people say, oh, my God, this is the only makeup I can use from now on.
• 57:25
  Jenny McCarthy: But this is another thing I wanted to pay forward.
• 57:27
  Jenny McCarthy: And maybe someday when I rip, I can.
• 57:31
  Jenny McCarthy: I feel good knowing I'm leaving behind for our children a brand you can trust.
• 57:36
  Jenny McCarthy: So spread the word.
• 57:37
  Jenny McCarthy: Formless beauty.com formless beauty if you're driving.
• 57:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Doing something fun, it'll be in the link Show Notes Jenny, what a huge blessing.
• 57:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I loved getting to know you today.
• 57:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thanks for your work in the world and I hope our conversation continues.
• 57:51
  Jenny McCarthy: Me too.
• 57:52
  Jenny McCarthy: Friends forever.
• 57:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yes.
• 57:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Bye bye.
• 57:54
  Jenny McCarthy: I want your phone number now.
• 57:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: You got it.
• 57:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Hey guys, Hope you enjoyed that spectacular.
• 57:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Episode with Jenny McCarthy.
• 58:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: I know I enjoyed getting to know her better and hearing her heart with.
• 58:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: All that she's been through with her.
• 58:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: Son and her own personal diagnosis and journey with mold.
• 58:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: And I hope you will check out.
• 58:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan: MD Lifespan Dr. Jill for the mold protocol and for more information.
• 58:15
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• 58:17
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• 58:23
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• 58:24
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• 58:29
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• 58:39
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