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The Colchicine Conspiracy: The Poisoning of Mary Yoder · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: You know, usually when we talk about a medical diagnosis,
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  Speaker 1: there's this underlying expectation of like mechanical precision.
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  Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, we expect clear answers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you fall and break your arm, you
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  Speaker 1: go to the er, they take an X ray and
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  Speaker 1: there's that unmistakable jagged white line across the bone.
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  Speaker 2: You can literally point right at it exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The doctor points to the screen says, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: the fracture, and immediately this chaotic pain you're feeling is
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  Speaker 1: organized into a neat, actionable reality.
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  Speaker 2: It provides a framework. I mean, the human brain desperately
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  Speaker 2: craves categorization, especially when we are in distress. We want
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  Speaker 2: the invisible failing of biology to be rendered visible so
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  Speaker 2: we can fight it.
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  Speaker 1: But then you step into the world of toxicology and
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  Speaker 1: suddenly that comforting X ray machine is just it's completely useless.
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  Speaker 2: Completely, It's a totally different ballgame.
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  Speaker 1: You are standing over a hospital bed, the monitors are screaming,
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  Speaker 1: a patient is crashing, and the doctors are just staring
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  Speaker 1: at each other with absolutely no idea what's happening. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the diagnostic landscape isn't just murky, it's a complete blackout
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  Speaker 1: that is the tearor.
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  Speaker 2: Of a sophisticated poison. You know, it doesn't break a bone.
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  Speaker 2: It highjacks the body's fundamental operating system, often mimicking natural diseases,
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  Speaker 2: while it just dismantles the victim from the inside out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. We are looking at a modern
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  Speaker 1: medical mystery today that starts in an emergency room but
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  Speaker 1: rapidly morphs into this insanely convoluted web of betrayal, digital forensics,
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  Speaker 1: and well a family that ends up completely, irrevocably torn
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  Speaker 1: in half.
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  Speaker 2: It really is a staggering sequence of events.
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  Speaker 1: It is we are pulling from a true creature report
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  Speaker 1: that details the shocking poisoning of a sixty year old
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  Speaker 1: New York chiropractor. And as we deconstruct the timeline of
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  Speaker 1: this bizarre murder and the shifting legal defenses that followed,
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  Speaker 1: I want you, yes you listening right now, to imagine
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  Speaker 1: being a.
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  Speaker 2: Detective, to put yourself right in those shoes.
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  Speaker 1: Right you're handed a case where the physical evidence seems
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  Speaker 1: almost perfectly curated, you have to ask yourself, like when
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  Speaker 1: a suspect an and to you on a silver platter,
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  Speaker 1: do you make the arrest or do you start hunting
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  Speaker 1: for the person who polished the silver.
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  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate test of investigative restraint. Honestly, law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement is under immense pressure to find absolute closure. But
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  Speaker 2: as the psychological complexity of this story reveals, physical evidence
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  Speaker 2: can be manipulated.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely manipulated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and digital evidence is ruthless, and even when a
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  Speaker 2: court reaches a verdict, it doesn't mean the fractured family
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  Speaker 2: will ever accept the truth.
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  Speaker 1: So before we can even touch the murder investigation, we
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  Speaker 1: really have to understand the victim, because her lifestyle makes
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  Speaker 1: the timeline of her death genuinely baffling.
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  Speaker 2: It's the stark contrast that makes it so shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly we are talking about Maryotur. She was sixty years old,
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  Speaker 1: a highly successful chiropractor based in Whitesboro, New York. She
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  Speaker 1: and her husband Bill were essentially pillars of the local
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  Speaker 1: holistic health community. They owned and operated their chiropractic practice
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  Speaker 1: together for over thirty years.
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  Speaker 2: And Mary wasn't just you know, preaching holistic health to
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  Speaker 2: her patients. She was living it rigorously. She was the
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  Speaker 2: absolute picture.
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  Speaker 1: Of health right she actually practiced what she preached.
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  Speaker 2: She really did. She had a deep, practical understanding of
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  Speaker 2: how the body worked. She took a carefully curated regiment
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  Speaker 2: of supplements. She was active, and she spent hours cultivating
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  Speaker 2: this cherished home garden.
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  Speaker 1: Where she grew her own organic produce and herbs and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, she was deeply connected to what she put
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  Speaker 2: into her body.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, she was the last person on Earth
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  Speaker 1: you would expect to just drop dead. Which brings us
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  Speaker 1: to a seemingly normal Sunday. Let's look at the timeline.
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  Speaker 1: It's the weekend, but Mary is at the clinics seeing patients, just.
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  Speaker 2: A standard work day for her. Really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She takes a break around lunchtime to go care
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  Speaker 1: for her elderly mother. Then she returns to the office
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  Speaker 1: around one thirty in the afternoon to finish her appointments.
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  Speaker 2: And by all accounts, she was perfectly fine at one
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  Speaker 2: thirty pm. But over the next few hours, this catastrophic
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  Speaker 2: biological shift occurs.
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  Speaker 1: Right while she's still at the clinic.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, she begins feel severely ill, and we're not talking
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  Speaker 2: about just a mild headache here. By four thirty PM,
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  Speaker 2: the distress is so acute that she has to cancel
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  Speaker 2: the rest of her day and go home.
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  Speaker 1: The symptoms hit her like a freight train, severe uncontrollable
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  Speaker 1: vomiting and explosive diarrhea. Now, if this happens to someone
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  Speaker 1: who eats junk food every day, maybe you write it
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  Speaker 1: off as food poisoning.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you assume it's something they ate it to drive through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But for someone as a tuned to her body
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  Speaker 1: as Mary, it must have been terrifying. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: a perfectly maintained car engine inexplicably seizing up on a
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  Speaker 1: casual Sunday drive. It's more like the engine suddenly catching
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  Speaker 1: fire while it's parked.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. It made zero sense,
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  Speaker 2: none at all.
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  Speaker 1: But she assumes it's a vicious stomach bug, so she
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  Speaker 1: goes home to try and sleep it off.
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  Speaker 2: But the tragic reality is that she was already past
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  Speaker 2: the point of no return. You know. Sleep allows the
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  Speaker 2: body to fight off a virus, but it does absolutely
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  Speaker 2: nothing against a chemical agent that is actively dismantling cellular.
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  Speaker 1: Structure, marching forward regardless.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, by Monday morning, she hasn't improved. In fact, she
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  Speaker 2: has deteriorated rapidly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, her husband Bill rushes her to Saint Look's emergency room.
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  Speaker 1: They admit her immediately, and the doctors start running every
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  Speaker 1: standard test they have, right blood work, infectious disease panels,
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  Speaker 1: GI scans.
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  Speaker 2: They are desperately trying to figure out why this incredibly
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  Speaker 2: healthy woman's body is suddenly purging everything inside it.
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  Speaker 1: And the hospital staff is fighting a ghost. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Over the next twenty four hours, the situation goes from
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  Speaker 1: dire to critical. At ten pm on Monday night, she
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  Speaker 1: attempts to get out of her hospital bed and simply collapses.
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  Speaker 2: Her body is losing the ability to sustain basic mode
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  Speaker 2: of functions.
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  Speaker 1: That fall triggers a panic and they move her straight
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  Speaker 1: into the intensive care unit. But you know, the ICU
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  Speaker 1: is designed to support failing organs. It's not designed to
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  Speaker 1: reverse an unknown chemical attack.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not. And Tuesday morning arrives and the brutality
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  Speaker 2: of what's happening to her wheely peaks. She suffers her
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  Speaker 2: first heart.
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  Speaker 1: Attack, which is wild. A heart attack and a sixty
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  Speaker 1: year old woman with no cardiovascular disease history is shocking enough,
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  Speaker 1: it's extremely.
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  Speaker 2: Rare without underlying conditions, but it doesn't stop at one
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  Speaker 2: The electrical and muscular systems of her heart begin to
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  Speaker 2: missfire repeatedly.
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  Speaker 1: She suffers seven more heart attacks over the course of
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  Speaker 1: that Tuesday. It's just horrific, eight heart attacks in total.
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  Speaker 1: By Tuesday afternoon, just forty eight hours after she left
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  Speaker 1: work feeling nauseous, Mary Yoder is dead.
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  Speaker 2: And the medical team was completely paralyzed. Based on her age,
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  Speaker 2: her lifestyle, and the sheer velocity of her decline, the
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  Speaker 2: cause of death was a massive, terrifying blank space.
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  Speaker 1: So because she died while admitted to the hospital, and
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  Speaker 1: because the doctors couldn't just sign off on a natural cause,
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  Speaker 1: a routine autopsy is mandated by the state.
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  Speaker 2: Right the medical examiner steps in, assuming they might find
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  Speaker 2: a hidden aneurysm or an undiagnosed aggressive cancer.
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  Speaker 1: But what the microscope reveals is actually much more disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: When the slices the tissue samples and places them on
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  Speaker 1: the slides, they don't find disease.
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  Speaker 2: No, they see healthy, vibrant tissue that has simply been
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  Speaker 2: subjected to a catastrophic systemic shutdown.
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  Speaker 1: Her organs were fundamentally healthy, yet they had all failed
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  Speaker 1: simultaneously in a span of thirty six hours.
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  Speaker 2: So the emmy's office is scrambling. They start testing for
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  Speaker 2: environmental factors. Could she have been bitten by something venomous
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  Speaker 2: in her garden?
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  Speaker 1: Right, but there are no puncture wounds.
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  Speaker 2: Was it carbon monoxide?
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  Speaker 1: None?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So they send samples to the state poison control
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  Speaker 2: chemists to run panels for the classic heavy hitters arsenic cyanide.
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  Speaker 1: Strychnine, and every single one comes.
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  Speaker 2: Back negative, completely negative.
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  Speaker 1: For two agonizing months, the Yoder family is completely in
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  Speaker 1: the dark. Mary's sisters, her children, her husband, they are
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  Speaker 1: all trying to grieve a woman who seemingly died of nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It leaves the family in this state of suspended animation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Then finally the poison control chemists cast a
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  Speaker 1: wider net and they get a definitive shot hiticine toxicity.
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  Speaker 2: And we really need to pause and explain what cultiscine
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  Speaker 2: is because is biological mechanism is horrifying when it's weaponized.
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  Speaker 1: Right, What exactly is it? Well?
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  Speaker 2: Colchisine is a highly regulated, naturally occurring alkaloid medication derived
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  Speaker 2: from the autumn crocus plant. In the medical world, it
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  Speaker 2: is used very specifically to treat severe gout okay.
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  Speaker 1: And gout is essentially a painful inflammation of the joints
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  Speaker 1: caused by uric acid crystals.
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  Speaker 2: Right precisely in a gout patient. Cultozine works by inhibiting
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  Speaker 2: the white blood cells from migrating to the inflamed area,
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  Speaker 2: which reduces the swelling and the intense pain.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: But it achieves this by binding to a protein called tubulin,
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  Speaker 2: which is essential for cellular division or mitosis.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so it literally stops cells from dividing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, in the microdoses used for gout, it's targeted and therapeutic,
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  Speaker 2: but if you give it to a healthy person who
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  Speaker 2: does not have gout, it becomes a cellular wrecking ball.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. The source material quotes a toxicologist saying
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  Speaker 2: a little dabble to it. When introduced in a toxic dose,
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  Speaker 2: coltisine stops mitosis across the entire body, and the cells
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  Speaker 2: that divide the most rapidly are the ones lining the
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  Speaker 2: gastro intestinal tract.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, which explains the violent vomiting and diarrhea on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. Her gi tract was literally breaking down at
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  Speaker 1: a cellular level exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The body tries to violently purge the poison, but once
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  Speaker 2: it's absorbed into the bloodstream, it moves to the major organs,
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  Speaker 2: the liver, the kidneys, the heart. They all rely on
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  Speaker 2: cellular function that is suddenly being blocked.
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  Speaker 1: So the organs don't just fail, they essentially suffocate and
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  Speaker 1: shut down. Yes, so Mary didn't just fade away. She
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  Speaker 1: was subjected to a drawn out, excruciating biological sabotage that
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  Speaker 1: tortured her over two days, ending in eight consecutive heart attacks.
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  Speaker 1: Her sister later said they couldn't wrap their minds around
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  Speaker 1: the sheer brutality of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to even comprehend. And once the medical examiner
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  Speaker 2: has this information, the entire nature of the case flips.
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  Speaker 2: This is no longer a medical mystery. It is officially
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  Speaker 2: a homicide investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So investigators first try to exhaust any benign explanations.
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  Speaker 1: Because Mary was an avid gardener and took a ton
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  Speaker 1: of supplements, they entertained the idea an accidental ingestion.
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  Speaker 2: They have to rule that out first.
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  Speaker 1: The police go into her home, confiscate every single supplement bottle,
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  Speaker 1: every herb and test them all and.
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  Speaker 2: The results show zero contamination. There was no accidental mix
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  Speaker 2: up in her morning routine.
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  Speaker 1: They also look into the possibility of suicide. But after
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  Speaker 1: interviewing her family, her patients, and her staff, that theory
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  Speaker 1: just evaporates.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't fit her profile at all.
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  Speaker 1: Not even a little. She was thriving, she loved her practice,
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  Speaker 1: she was deeply connected to her family. There was no
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  Speaker 1: history of depression, no financial ruin, no ideation.
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  Speaker 2: So by eliminating accident and suicide, law enforcement is left
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  Speaker 2: staring at the most unsettling reality of all. Someone intentionally
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  Speaker 2: acquired a rare, highly specific gout medication, calculated a lethal dose,
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  Speaker 2: and slipped it to Mary Yoder.
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  Speaker 1: And when you were dealing with a domestic poisoning, law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement operates on statistics. The spotlight doesn't just casually pan
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  Speaker 1: over the husband, It violently swings directly onto him.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Yoda instantly becomes the prime suspect. It's the fundamental
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  Speaker 2: rule of homicide investigation. You look at the inner circle first,
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  Speaker 2: and the spouse is at the very center.
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  Speaker 1: Of that circle because they have the access right.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, they have the access, They know the victim's routine,
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  Speaker 2: and they are usually the ones administering food or drink.
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  Speaker 1: So the detectives starts scrutinizing Bill and immediately his behavior
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  Speaker 1: starts raising massive red flags. First off, on that Sunday
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  Speaker 1: when Mary became fatally ill, Bill was nowhere to be
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  Speaker 1: found at their shared chiropractic.
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  Speaker 2: Office, right, which is strange for a couple that has
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  Speaker 2: run a practice shoulder to shoulder for thirty years. His
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  Speaker 2: absence on that specific day is highly anomalous.
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  Speaker 1: And when investigators ask him to account for his whereabouts
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  Speaker 1: that Sunday afternoon, he can't provide a verifiable alibi. He
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  Speaker 1: was just quote out and about.
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  Speaker 2: Out and about is not what homicide detectives want to hear, not.
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  Speaker 1: At all, And his demeanor after Mary's death wasn't helping
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  Speaker 1: his case either. Investigators noted that he seems strangely detached,
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  Speaker 1: like he wasn't breathing down the detective's next demanding updates right.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, he started taking frequent trips out of town, seemingly
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  Speaker 2: disinterested in the fact that his wife had been murdered.
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  Speaker 1: But let's pause here because I have to ask, if
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  Speaker 1: your spouse of thirty plus years dies under mysterious circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you be camping out at the police station demanding answers?
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  Speaker 1: Or is human grief just that unpredictable.
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  Speaker 2: Let's examine that critically, because law enforcement often judges a
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  Speaker 2: surviving spouse's grief, which can be a very dangerous game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone greees differently exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Grief manifests in incredibly divergent ways. Some people become hyper
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  Speaker 2: fixated on the investigation, while others experience profound avoidance, physically
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  Speaker 2: fleeing the environment that triggers their trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Right, we can't just throw someone in jail because they
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  Speaker 1: aren't cry the way a detective wants them to cry.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't. But when you combine a lack of
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  Speaker 2: an alibi with emotional detachment, it forces the police to
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  Speaker 2: look for a motive, and that.
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  Speaker 1: Search for a motive blows the doors off the Yoder
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  Speaker 1: family dynamics. Early in the investigation, the police bring in
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  Speaker 1: Mary's sisters for questioning. They ask them, point blank, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do you think Bill could have done this?
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  Speaker 2: And one of the sisters says no, she has no
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  Speaker 2: reason to suspect him, But she immediately follows it up
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  Speaker 2: with a devastating caveat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she tells the detectives, if you find out that
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  Speaker 1: he's involved with another woman, then I think it's possible.
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  Speaker 2: That statement provides investigators with a targeted trajectory. They start
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  Speaker 2: digging into Bill's personal life, and they uncover an alleged affair.
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  Speaker 1: And the affair isn't with a stranger or a co worker.
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  Speaker 1: It's with Mary's older sister, Kathy Richmond.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological fallout of that revelation is just staggering. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the implication is that Bill was not just cheating on
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  Speaker 2: his wife, but engaging in a profound betrayal with her
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  Speaker 2: own flesh and blood.
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  Speaker 1: Now, both Bill and Cathy, who by the way, are
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  Speaker 1: openly a couple today, vehemently denied that the romance started
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  Speaker 1: before Mary was murdered. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They insist that their shared grief over Mary's death brought
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  Speaker 2: them together and the romantic relationship only blossomed two months
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  Speaker 2: after the funeral.
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  Speaker 1: However, Mary's other sister, Sharon, completely rejects that timeline. She argues,
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  Speaker 1: from a standpoint of baseline human behavior, a widower doesn't
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  Speaker 1: just casually strake up a romance with his deceased wife's
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  Speaker 1: sister mere weeks after a brutal murder, unless the emotional
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  Speaker 1: foundation was already late. Like, relationships don't just start overnight.
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  Speaker 2: And the police find a witness who backs up Sharon's suspicion.
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  Speaker 1: Right the neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a neighbor comes forward and testifies that she saw
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  Speaker 2: Bill hanging around Kathy's house long before Mary got sick.
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  Speaker 2: But she didn't just see his car park there. The
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  Speaker 2: neighbor testified that while walking by with her daughter, she
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  Speaker 2: clearly saw Bill and Cathy locked in a passionate kiss
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  Speaker 2: and embrace.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is a critical juncture in the investigation. You
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  Speaker 1: have a husband with no alibi, a bizarrely apathetic demeanor,
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  Speaker 1: and a secret, highly taboo affair with his sister in law.
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  Speaker 2: It is the classic Shakespearean motive for domestic homicide, eliminate
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  Speaker 2: the spouse to freely pursue the forbidden lover all while
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  Speaker 2: retaining the shared assets.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like an open and shutcase, but as compelling
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  Speaker 1: as that narrative is, motive is not the same thing
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  Speaker 1: as evidence.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how affairs provide a classic motive,
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  Speaker 2: but motive alone is an evidence of murder. The police
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  Speaker 2: were building a suspicious profile, but they needed physical proof
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  Speaker 2: connecting Bill to the cult to scene.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you can have the most compelling motive in the
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  Speaker 1: history of true crime. But a prosecutor cannot indict a
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  Speaker 1: man based on a neighbor seeing.
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  Speaker 2: A kiss, Precisely they needed financial records showing he bought
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: it or physical traces of it in his possession.
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  Speaker 1: So the detectives are digging trying to find that one
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  Speaker 1: piece of physical proof to nail Bill, and right as
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  Speaker 1: the pressure is mounting, the investigation takes a completely wild,
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  Speaker 1: unpredictable left turn. The entire trajectory of the case is
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  Speaker 1: high hijacked by the United States Postal Service.
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  Speaker 2: The introduction of anonymous letters into a homicide investigation is
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  Speaker 2: always a volatile variable. I mean, someone on the outside
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  Speaker 2: is actively trying to inject themselves into the narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Two anonymous letters arrive in the mail. One is delivered
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  Speaker 1: to the Onondaga County Medical Examiner's office and the other
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  Speaker 1: goes to the Ononida County Sheriff's office.
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  Speaker 2: And the contents of these letters are explosive for two reasons. First,
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  Speaker 2: the author explicitly names the poison cultia scene.
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  Speaker 1: Which was a massive operational breach. Law enforcement had intentionally
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  Speaker 1: kept the specific name of the toxin out of the press.
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  Speaker 2: Right yes, the public only knew Mary was poisoned, so
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  Speaker 2: whoever wrote this letter had intimate insider knowledge of the
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  Speaker 2: crime scene biology.
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  Speaker 1: The second explosive element is that the letter's name a
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  Speaker 1: specific killer, but they don't name Bill Yoder. They point
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: the finger directly at Mary's youngest child, her son, Adam Yoder.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: The police are stunned. They immediately pivot from the husband
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and houl the into the interrogation room.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: They sit Adam down, and by all accounts, he is
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: genuinely bewildered. The detectives laid out we got a letter.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It says you killed your mother with coltia scene and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it specifically says the evidence is hidden in your vehicle.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: And Adam's reaction is crucial here. If he's a cold
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: blooded killer who knows the evidence is in his car,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: he would likely invoke his right to an attorney and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: refuse a search.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Right you wouldn't just hand over the keys.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: But instead he readily consents. He hands over the keys.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: The Oneida County Sheriff's deputies go out to Adam's car
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and they look exactly where the letter tells them to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: look under the passenger seat, and what they find is
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: almost laughable in its perfection.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: They pull out a physical treasure trove of guilt.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: There is a bottle of cold scene. There is the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: cardboard wrapper the bottle came in, and most unbelievably, there
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: is a printed receipt detailing the exact transaction of the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: poison's purchase.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: The receipt is the definitive physical link they were desperately
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: searching for with Bill, but now it's sitting in Adam's car,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and the receipt contains an email dress used to facilitate
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: the order.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And the detective's cross reference it and the email address
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: is strikingly similar to Adam's known personal accounts.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It really looks like a slam dunk.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Let's pause and really look at this, because if I'm
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a detective, alarm bells should be deafening right now. To
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: use an analogy, this isn't just finding a smoking gun.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: This is finding a smoking gun alongside a signed confession
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: with a perfectly indexed bibliography of the crime, wrapped in
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a bow, sitting underneath the passenger seat of a car
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the suspect drives every single day.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: It's absurdly convenient.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, is finding the murder weapon, the wrapper and
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the receipt in the suspects car too perfect. If you
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: want to frame someone, you are essentially trying to paint
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a masterpiece using someone else's brush. The strokes never look
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: natural to a trained eye.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Your skepticism is exactly what seasoned investigators must employ, but
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: it fights against a powerful psychological force known as confirmation bias.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how law enforcement agencies are under
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: am devents, public and internal pressure to clear homicides. When
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: an anonymous tip provides a roadmap, and that roadmap leads
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: directly to the murder weapon and a receipt tying the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: suspect to the purchase, the human brain releases a surge
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: of relief. You know, we found it. Case closed.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: It's just too neat.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It is entirely too neat. Real homicides, especially poisonings, are
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: characterized by chaos and self preservation. A genuine perpetrator burns
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the receipt smashes the bottle, throws the wrapper in a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: dumpster three towns over.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: They don't make a little evidentiary gift basket exactly.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: They do not neatly bundle the entire evidentiary chain of
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: their mother's murder and tuck it under the seat of
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: their daily commuter vehicle, only to blindly consent to a
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: police search. The sheer perfection of the crime scene is
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: often the very thing that should trigger skepticism.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: But the police have the physical evidence in hand, they
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: have to follow it. But you know, we live in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the twenty first century, and physical evidence a bottle, a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: piece of paper can be easily planted by anyone with
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: two hands.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Very true.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: The digital evidence, however, is an entirely different beast, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the digital breadcrumbs in this case are about to lead
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the police away from Adam and introduce a completely new,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: devastating player into the mix.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Because while you can toss a bottle under a car
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: seat in ten seconds, faking a digital footprint requires a
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: level of technological manipulation that most people simply do not possess.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Right, So to follow the digital trail, we have to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: introduce Kaitlin Calmly. At the time of the murder, Caitlin
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was twenty three years old. She was Adam Yoder's on again,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: off again ex girlfriend, but her roots in the Yoder
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: family went incredibly deep.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: She wasn't just a peripheral girlfriend. Caitlyn had worked the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: front desk at Mary and Bill's chiropractic clinic for four years.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: She was the face patient saw when they walked in.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Mary treated her like a surrogate daughter.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, the bond was so tight that when Mary died,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the family actually listed Caitlyn as a loved one in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the official obituary.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And Caitlyn played the part of the grieving pseudo daughter perfectly.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: The day after Mary's death, she took to Facebook and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: wrote this incredibly poignant tribute. It said, if love could
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: have saved you, you would have lived forever. God has
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: gained the best Angel. We love you.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So when the police find the poison in Adam's car,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: they naturally bring Caitlin in for questioning, not as a suspect,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: but as a key witness. They want to know if
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: she noticed Adam acting erratically or if he had access
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to his mother's food on that fateful Sunday.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And Caitlin doesn't just offer mild suspicions, she drops a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: nuclear bomb on Adam. In the police interrogation tapes, she
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: leans across the table and claims that Adam explicitly confessed
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to her that he poisoned his mother.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The detectives are momentarily stunned, They ask her the obvious
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: logical question, why on earth would a man confess his
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: mother's murder to his ex girlfriend?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And Caitlyn's answer is chillingly plausible. She tells the cops
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: it was a psychological tactic, a power and control move.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: She claims Adam was a manipulative abuser who burdened her
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: wis this dark, horrifying secret specifically to terrorize her, to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: assert dominance and to ensure she was too terrified to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: ever leave him or speak out.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: If you are an investigator evaluating that narrative, it fits
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a known profile of domestic abusers who use shared trauma
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: or terror to trap their partners.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: At this specific moment, the police believe they have struck gold.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: They have the murder weapon, they have the receipt, they
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: have the anonymous letters tipping them off, and now they
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have a star witness testifying to a direct confession.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: But science operates completely devoid of narrative bias. While the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: detectives are interviewing Caitlin, the state Police forensic lab is
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: quietly processing the anonymous letters that were mailed to the authorities.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: They swab the letters for DNA, specifically focusing on the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: adhesive underneath the posted stamps.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: The logic being that whoever mailed the letters likely licked
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the stamp, leaving behind epithelial cells from their saliva.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Right, and the lab calls the detectives with the results,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and the findings instantly shatter the theory that Adam acted alone.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: The DNA found under the stamp does not belong to Adam.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It is explicitly female DNA.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: This forces the investigators to pivot. They look at Caitlin,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: their star witness, and ask her for a voluntary DNA
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: swab just to rule her out.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Caitlin doesn't hesitate. She agrees immediately. But what's fascinating is
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that she has an incredibly robust, proactive alibi already loaded
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: in the chamber. She tells the cops. Oh, my DNA
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: might be on those envelopes, but that's just because of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: my job, she explains it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: As the front desk receptionist at the chiropractic clinic, part
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of her daily administrative duties involves preparing the outgoing male.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: She claims she routinely licks and pre stamps stacks of
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: office envelopes.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: She even goes so far as to bring in sample
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: letter heads and pre stamped envelopes from the office to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: physically demonstrate her workflow to the police.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Right framing it as her trying to be as helpful
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: as possible in finding Mary's killer.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: It's a remarkably sophisticated defense strategy. By providing a benign,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: verifiable explanation for why or biological material might be present
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: on an anonymous letter, she attempts to neutralize the forensic
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: evidence before the police can even weaponize it against her.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But the police aren't just relying on spit. They turn
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: their attention back to the receipt found in Adam's car,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the one with the email address used to purchase the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: cult scene.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: When they initially grilled Adam about it, he looked at
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the email and said, that looks similar to an account
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I've used, but it's not mine.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And a skilled investigator knows that criminals lie about their
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: email accounts all the time, but the servers at Google
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: do not lie.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: The police secure a subpoena and serve it to Google,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: demanding the back end metadata for that specific Gmail account.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And I want to dive into this because this is
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: where the digital footprint becomes an absolute trap.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: When you log into an email account. Your device doesn't
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: just anonymously connect to a website. A complex handshake occurs.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: The servers log the IP address, which identifies the physical
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: router or cellular network you're using. They also log the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: MC address, which is the unique hardware identifier of the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: specific device, like the digital fingerprint of your actual physical smartphone.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Or laptop exactly. So Google sends this data back to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the investigators, and it is the definitive nail in the coffin.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: The data reveals that this specific email address, the one
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: created solely to purchase the murder weapon, had only ever
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: been accessed from two physical locations.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: The first was the IP address associated with Kaitlin Conley's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: home Wi Fi network, and.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: The second point of access was traced directly to Kaitlin
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Conley's personal password protected cellular phone.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: You cannot argue with that data. It's not like someone
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: hacked her Wi Fi from the street. The account was
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: actively managed on the physical phone sitting in her pocket.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: This metadata provides the ultimate digital alibi for Adam Yoder.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: He did not live with Caitlin, He did not know
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: her iPhone passcode. There is absolutely no physical or technological
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: way Adam could have instantiated that email account on her
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: device over her home network without her knowledge.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Simultaneous it becomes the ultimate digital snare for Caitlin.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: The detectives realize they've been played. They bring Caitlin back
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: into the interrogation room, but this time the dynamic is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: entirely different. They aren't treating her like a grieving witness.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: They are treating her like a cornered suspect.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: They lay out the Google data on the table. They
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: tell her, Adam has no control over your phone. He
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't have your password. We know mathematically that you are
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the one who logged into this account and bought the poison.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: If you watch the interrogation takes, you can visually see
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the psychological walls closing in on her. The detectives systematically
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: dismantle her proactive defenses. They eliminate every hypothetical scenario she
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: throws at them.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: The pressure in that room must have been suffocating.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: The detectives look at her and say, your story about
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Adam confessing to you? It sounds exactly like the narrative
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and the anonymous letters? Did you write them? And after
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hours of evasion, Caitlin finally breaks. She admits that she
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: authored and mailed the anonymous letters.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: In that singular devastating moment, Caitlyn Conley's facade shatters. She
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: transitions instantly from the helpful, grieving surrogate daughter to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: prime suspect in a cold blooded assassination.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: The police place her under arrest and charge her with
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: second degree murder.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But the arrest leads the police, the family, and the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: community staring at a massive, gaping black hole of a question.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Why right, what possible motive could a twenty three year
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: old woman have to murder her beloved boss, a woman
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: who treated her like family? And why go through this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: insanely elaborate, convoluted process to frame the victim's son.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: To understand the why, we have to look through the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: lens of criminal psychology and the prosecution's core theory revenge.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It is the classic, albeit extreme manifestation of the scorned
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: woman archetype.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the chilling calculation required to poison
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a beloved boss just to get back at an next boyfriend.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Adam and Caitlyn's relationship was volatile, and Adam had recently
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: broken up with her.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Now, a normal person gets dumbed, They cry, they block,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the X on social media, and eventually they move.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: On, but the prosecution argues that Caitlin's psychological makeup couldn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: process the rejection. Instead of moving on, she formulated a
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: plan of total annihilation.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: She didn't just want to slash his tires. She wanted
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to obliterate the very foundation of his life.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: The sheer calculation is terrifying. By murdering Mary Yoder, she
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: inflicts maximum emotional devastation on Adam, killing the woman he loves.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Most, and by flawlessly framing him for that exact murder,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: she ensures he will be locked in a cage for
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the rest of his life, universally despised by his own family.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It is a too pronged attack, designed to destroy his
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: freedom and his soul.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It represents a staggering level of psychopathy. During the final
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: moments of her interrogation, the detectives actually plead with her
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to give them a reason. They offer her a conversational lifeline,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: saying your life isn't over, just tells why this happened.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And Cayln just goes cold. She looks at them and says, no,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I'll go to jail forever. I wouldn't risk my life.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: For this, she refuses to give them the satisfaction of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a hy so the.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: State moves forward with the second degree murder charge, confident
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: in their digital.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Evidence, which brings us to the reality of the American
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: justice system. Having a mountain of digital evidence in a
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: police precinct is vastly different from securing a unanimous conviction in.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: A courtroom, especially when the alleged motive is so diabolical
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it almost defies belief right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Trial one, Caitlin is sitting at the defense
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: table and the prosecution lays out the IP addresses, the receipt,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the letters. It seems insurmountable.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: The Caitlyn's defense attorney, a man named Christopher P, realizes
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: he has a unique tactical advantage. He decides to weaponize
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the police department's own initial investigation against them.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: It is one of the most effective strategies in a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: defense attorney's playbook. Introduce an alternate suspect to fracture the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: jury's certainty, And Christopher P. Doesn't pull a random suspect
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: out of thin air. He points the finger directly at
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the man the police themselves suspected.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: For months, Bill Yoder, the husband.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: The trial takes place in a packed, sensationalized courtroom in Utica,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: upstate New York. The defense strategy is incredibly bold. They
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: put Bill Yoder's profile on trial.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: They paint him as a brilliant two time PhD, a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: highly intelligent, detail oriented man who had a glaring documented
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: motive to want his wife dead.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: They parade the affair with Mary's sister Kathy in front
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of the jury. They remind the jurors that an independent
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: witness saw Bill and Cathy passionately kissing before Mary ever
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: got sick. They established the motive flawlessly.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But establishing motive isn't enough. The defense still has to
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: explain the physical presence of the cult to scene and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: bypass the digital evidence linking the purchase to Caitlin.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. The defense introduces a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: theory so wild it's almost brilliant in its audacity. They
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: call it the killer Weed defense.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It borders on science fiction, but it relies on a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: kernel of historical botanical lore. The defense claims that back
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: in the nineteen seven eighties, underground marijuana growers experimented with
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: a specific chemical mixture to mutate the genetics of the plants,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: creating a more potent, faster growing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Strain, and they claim that colchissceine was the key ingredient
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: in this superweed formula.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly deposit that coltissine can act as a genetic mutator
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: in horticulture. So the defense spins a narrative Mary Yoder,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the holistic health practitioner who spent hours tending to her
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: beloved organic garden, was secretly experimenting with botanical genetics.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: They suggest that Mary herself ordered the colchisceine online, fully
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: intending to use it on her plants.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And the dark twist is that Bill, the highly intelligent husband,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: intercepted the package when it arrived, realized what it was,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and secretly slipped it into Mary's morning protein shake.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It is a massive speculative leap. It requires the jury
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to believe Mary was running a rogue botany experiment and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that Bill opportunistically weaponized her own gardening supplies against her.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But the brilliance of this maneuver is that the defense
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: attorney doesn't have to prove a single word of it
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: is true.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: That is the cornerstone of criminal defense. The burden of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: proof rests entirely on the prosecution. The defense does not
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: have to prove Bill Yoder murdered his wife. They only
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: have to introduce enough plausible alternative theories to create reasonable
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: doubt in the minds of the jurors regarding Caitlyn's guilt.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: If even one juror thinks while the husband had the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: affair and maybe the wife did order it for her garden,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: then they cannot legally convict Caitlin.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And the defense gets a massive assist from the most
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: unlikely source imaginable, Mary Yoda's own family. Mary's sisters, the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: exact same women who initially told the police to look
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: into Bill's affair, take the stand as defense witnesses.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: They publicly testify under oath that they believe Kaitlin Conley
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: is being framed.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: You cannot overstate the emotional impact that has on a jury.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: The prosecution is arguing that Caitlyn murdered Mary, but Mary's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: own flesh and blood are looking at the jury box
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: saying no, she didn't. It completely scrambles the emotional resonance
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: of the state's case.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: The strategy is a masterclass in obfuscation, and it absolutely works.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: After three weeks of intense, grueling testimony, the jury retreats
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: to deliberate. Five agonizing days go by. Finally they emerge
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and announce they are hopelessly deadlocked.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They cannot agree on a unanimous verdict. The judge has
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: no choice but to declare a mistrial.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: A mistrial is a massive exhale for the defense, a
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: temporary victory that keeps Caitlyn out of prison, But the
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: prosecution immediately signals they are not backing down. They are
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: going to retry the case.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Five months later, the circus returns to town for trial too,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: but something shocking happens behind the scenes. Caitlyn's family hires
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a new, high profile defense attorney, Frank Policelli, and in
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a massive, high stakes gamble Pulaicelli completely throws out the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: playbook from the first trial.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: He abandons the bill Yoder killer weed theory entirely. From
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: a legal standpoint, this is an incredibly perilous decision. Why
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: abandon a strategy that successfully hung a jury?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Right? It worked once.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly The first narrative, while convoluted, worked well enough to
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: introduce reasonable doubt. Pivoting to a completely different alternate suspect
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: risks making the defense look erratic and.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Desperate, even though it's a new jury. The shift in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the core narrative is jarring, but Policelli commits to the pivot.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: The second defense strategy points the fingers squarely at the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: man Caitlyn originally tried to frame, Adam Yoder.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: The new defense team sets out to systematically destroy Adam's character.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: On the stand. They paint a picture of a deeply toxic, codependent,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and highly volatile relationship between Adam and Caitlin.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: The even subpoena Adam's own nephew, who is living with
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Adam while he and Caitlyn were dating. The nephew gets
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: on the stand and testifies to their screaming matches, their
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: erratic behavior, and even claims he believed Caitlin was a
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: victim of physical domestic violence at Adam's hands.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: The defense is attempting to completely flip the prosecution's motive.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: The state says Caitlin was the scorned woman seeking revenge.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: The defense argue that Adam was the one seeking revenge.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: They claim Adam was broke, reliant on his mother's money,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and enraged that Mary had finally cut him off financially.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So the new narratives, Adam kills his mother for the inheritance,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: and then uses the murder as an opportunity to frame Caitlin,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: punishing her for finally escaping his abuse.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: To substantiate this, the defense introduces a troll of text
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: messages between Adam and Caitlyn leading up to the murder,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: and these texts paint a very different picture than the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: one the prosecution initially offered.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: The messages show Adam actively desperately begging Caitlin to reconcile.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: He writes things like I miss you a lot, I'm
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: thinking about you always, and the texts get unbelievably dark.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: They discuss an aborted pregnancy. Adam texts that he is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: torn up and hurt by the decision.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Caitlyn replies coldly, I didn't want to do that alone,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and you didn't want to be there. Adam snaps back aggressively,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: saying she wouldn't have been alone and that a decision
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: like that should have been made by two people.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: He even states in one message that he had intended
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to marry her. The defense uses this emotional collateral to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: argue to the jury, look at this man, Caitlyn wasn't
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: obsessing over him, he was obsessing over her.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: He was the one who felt betrayed and rejected. He
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: is the one with the psychological profile for revenge.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: It's a compelling narrative shift, but the prosecution refuses to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: get dragged into the mud. They acknowledge the toxic relationship,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: but they never waver from the digital reality Caitlin was
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the architect of the crime.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: However, the prosecutors are pragmatic. They don't want another mistrial,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: so they make one critical strategic adjustment to the charges.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Right they retain the core charge of second degree murder,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: which requires proving premeditated intent to kill, but they ask
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the judge to allow the jury to also consider a
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: lesser included charge, first degree manslaughter.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: This is a massive safety net. First degree manslaughter essentially
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: means you intended to cause serious physical injury and that
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: injury resulted in death, but you didn't necessarily set out
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: with the cold blooded intent to commit murder.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It gives the jury an out if they believe she
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: administered the poison, but can't quite stomach the idea that
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: this young woman meticulously planned an assassination.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And as the jury begins deliberations, they ignore the text messages,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: they ignore the mud slinging, and they zero in on
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the one thing that cannot be spun, the digital forensics
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and the interrogation tape.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: The turning point of the entire second trial hinges on
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a single bizarre sentence. The jury sends a note to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the judge requesting to rewatch a specific clip of Caitlyn's
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: police interrogation.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It's the moment where the lead investigator is pressing her
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: on the anonymous letters, asking her why on earth Adam
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: would keep the poison, the wrapper, and the receipt in
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: his car if he was the real killer.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And in that moment on the tape, Caitlin's carefully constructed
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: facade slips. She stammers, and she answers, I think you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: would keep it if you wanted to use it, because
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: also it's poison.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It's such a weird, clunky phrasing. The jury hones in
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, the prosecution argues, this isn't a hypothetical guess,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: this is a Freudian slip.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: This is Caitlin revealing her own internal logic when she
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: planted the evidence. She kept the bottle because it still
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: had poison in it, and in her twisted mind, poison
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: is valuable.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Whether the jury viewed that sentence as a confession or
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: just a bizarre statement, it served as the psychological bridge
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to the digital evidence. By abandoning the husband intercepted a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: package theory and instead trying to blame the sun, the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: defense inadvertently left Caitlin exposed to the digital reality.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: The prosecution hammers this home in closing arguments realistically reasonably,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: who else would have been using Kitlin Conley's personal password
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: protected cell phone to google cult scene? Who else used
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: her specific home Wi Fi network to access the fake
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: email account? Adam?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Wasn't there the common denominator for every single piece of
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: forensic evidence? The Internet searches, the router logs the female
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: DNA under the stamp, the IP address on the receipt
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: was Kaitlyn Conley. The digital trap she inadvertently built for
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: herself was inescapable.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: He returns the courtroom is dead silent. Caitlyn Conley, now
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: twenty four years old, is found guilty not a second
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: degree murderer, but they utilize that safety net. They find
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: her guilty of first degree manslaughter.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Her defense attorney Policelli, is furious. He immediately pleads with
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the judge to throw the verdict out, calling it irrational.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And arguing that the prosecution never explicitly proved the exact
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: moment Caitlyn slipped the poison into Mary's food or drink
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: on that Sunday afternoon.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: But Judge Michael Dwyer denies the motion. The digital evidence
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: proves she bought it and framed the sun. The inference
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that she administered it is legally sound. He sentences Kitlyn
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Conley to twenty three years in state prison.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: The gabble falls. The legal system has processed the data,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: applied the law, and rendered it a definitive decision. The
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: case is technically closed, but in a saga this deeply
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: enmeshed in family dynamics of betrayal. A legal conviction rarely
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: equates to emotional closure.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the aftermath and what I think
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: is the most tragic part of this entire stre the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yoder family is left utterly, irreparably shattered. You read the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: victim impact statements from the sentencing hearing, and the raw
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: pain is just visceral.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Adam Yoder, the son who lost his mother and was
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: nearly sent to prison for life by the woman he loved,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: stands up in open court. He looks directly at Caitlyn
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and says, make no mistake, I hate the defendant with
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: every bone in my body and every drop of blood
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in my veins, because Caitlyn and Conley murdered my mother and.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Bill Yoder, the husband who spent the first six months
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: of his grief being investigated as the prime suspect in
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: his wife's murder, expresses profound, bitter disgust. He cannot fathom
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: how Caitlyn could look Mary in the eye, smile at her,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and then meticulously poison the mother of the man she
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: supposedly loved.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But then Caitlyn gets her turn to speak, the courtroom
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: holds its breath. She steps to the podium, and she
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: refuses to yield. She looks at the judge and says,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: with all due respect to the justice system, into our
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: jury system, I'm innocent.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: And what is truly staggering, what elevates this case from
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: tragedy to a psychological case study is that she has
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: art and supporters who believe her every word.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And these aren't just random true crime conspiracy theorists on
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the internet. Her loudest advocates are Mary Yoda's own flesh
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and blood, her sisters Janine and Sharon.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: The exact same women who initially pointed the police toward
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Bill's affair, effectively kickstarting the deeper investigation that eventually exonerated him,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: are now leading a crusade to free the woman convicted
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: of the crime.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: They start the Free Kaitlyn Conley campaign. They write passionate
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: letters to the judge pleading for mercy and a reduced sentence.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: They become vocal advocates on a local talk radio show
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: hosted by a crime reporter named Rocko Luca.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: They are fiercely unequivocally convinced that an innocent woman is
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: rotting in a cell, and.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: They don't just advocate for Caitlyn's innocence, they actively point
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the finger back at their own family. Janine publicly states
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: on the radio that she certainly believes her brother in
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: law Bill and her nephew Adam conspired to murder her sister.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: It is a complete fracturing of real They argue that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the police suffered from severe tunnel vision. They claim the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: investigators force their own hand to only pursue Caitlin, intentionally
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: ignoring Bill's affair and Adam's financial disputes as valid motives.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: They are articularly incensed about the legal mechanics of the
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: grand jury proceedings. They claim on the radio that the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: prosecutors gave Bill an Adam blanket immunity in exchange for
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: their testimony, pushing a narrative that the two men literally
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: got away with murder because of a corrupt legal loophole.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: The prosecutor naturally vehemently pushes back on this narrative. He
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: actually has to go on the record to explain how
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: immunity laws function in the state of New York because
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the sisters are dangerously misrepresenting the facts.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: This is a crucial legal distinction that often confuses the public.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: The prosecutor explains that in New York State, when a
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: witness is called to testify before a grand jury, they
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: are automatically granted transactional immunity for the subjects they testify about.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: However, and this is the massive critical caveat that the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: sisters refuse to acknowledge, that immune unity absolutely does not
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: apply if the witness lies under oath right.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: You cannot commit perjury and retain immunity, and you certainly
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: are not immune from future prosecution if physical evidence later
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: service is proving you committed the murder. The immunity only
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: protects truthful testimony about peripheral involvement. It is not a
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: get out of jail free car for homicide.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: The lead investigator on the case also stands completely firm
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: against the family's backlash. He goes on the record saying
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure we got the right person. He points
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: out that this wasn't a rush judgment. It was an
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: exhaustive six month investigation.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: The interrogated Bill for hours, the interrogated Atom for hours,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, zero physical or
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: digital evidence pointed back to the men, and every single
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: forensic breadcrumb led directly, irrefutably to Kaitlyn Conley's devices.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? This brings us to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a profound realization about the human mind and the limits
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of objective evidence. The sister's unwavering belief in Caitlyn's innocence
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: despite a literal mountain of digital forensics. The Google server logs,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the IP addresses, the mass address verification, the female DNA
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: showcases how deeply held emotional beliefs can completely overgride objective
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: mathematical facts.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the psychology of that, because it's fascinating
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and heartbreaking. They loved Caitlin for four years. She was
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the sweet girl at the front desk. They knew how
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: much Mary loved her. Their brains literally cannot reconcile the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: image of that smiling twenty three year old with the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: profile of a cold blooded, calculating poisoner.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It is a textbook example of extreme cognitive dissonance compounded
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: by betrayal trauma. The human brain is designed to protect
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: itself from psychic pain. Acknowledging that Caitlyn murdered Mary means
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: acknowledging that the sisters were completely thoroughly fooled by a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: sociopath they welcomed into their family.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: That realization is deeply traumatizing. It is psychologically easier for
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: them to invent a massive police conspiracy and to project
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the guilt onto the man they already had conflicts with,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: than to accept the terrifying reality that mos can smile
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: at you from across the dinner table.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: So the tragedy of this case multiplies exponentially. The Yoder
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: family didn't just lose Mary to a horrific, agonizing death.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: They lost each other. They are forever divided, sitting on
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: opposite sides of a courtroom, advocating on opposite sides of
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a prison wall, completely unable to agree on the fundamental
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: reality of who killed the woman.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: They all loved, Which leaves us with a lingering, deeply
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable question that a jury verdict, a judge's gavel, and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a forensic lab report can never truly answer. We rely
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: on evidence to construct our reality, but how much of
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: our reality is actually shaped by the hard facts sitting
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: right in front of us? And how much is shaped
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: by who we simply choose to trust.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: If Mary Yoda's own sisters can look at an undeniable,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: technologically flawless mountain of digital evidence and still see an
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: innocent woman, it forces every single one of us to
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: ask ourselves, what would it intake? What evidence would you
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: need to see to make you believe the unthinkable about
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: someone you love.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: That is the chilling legacy of this case. It proves
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that while science can solve the mystery of how a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: body dies, it cannot force the human heart to accept
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the truth of who killed it.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: That is a heavy, heavy thought to carry with you today.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: We want to thank you so much for joining us
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: on this intense, deep dive into the source material. It's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: cases like this that remind us the world is rarely
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: as clean as a broken bone on an X ray,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and the monsters rarely look the part. Keep questioning the
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: world around you, keep looking past the surface of the evidence,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and we'll catch you on the next deep dive.