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Hutton & Withrow: Ole Miss Gets Revenge on Lane Kiffin + Wild SEC Weekend | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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Speaker 1: It's hunting with rope presented by hard rock bet. Good
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Speaker 1: morning to you. Happy Monday. What a college football weekend,
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Speaker 1: NFL week two, a lot to discuss as we kick
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Speaker 1: off the week. Chad, good morning to you. Good morning, hot.
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Speaker 1: Good to be here. A great weekend in Oxford, Mississippi.
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Speaker 2: What a scene that was start to finish culminating with
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Speaker 2: that gigantic.
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Speaker 1: Win for Ole Miss, man. It was awesome. Uh, just, Chad,
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Speaker 1: as you would say, justice for all, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it was this feeling of a culmination all
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Speaker 2: weekend when we arrived, right? I mean, all the talk,
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Speaker 2: everything that you could possibly imagine about a program trying
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Speaker 2: to prove. This was a proof of concept weekend for
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Speaker 2: Ole Miss because they had not done it without Lane Kiffin.
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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin had a lot of success at Ole Miss
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Speaker 2: and they're spending money They have a great organizational piece
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Speaker 2: to everything they're doing.
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Speaker 1: They're getting really good.
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Speaker 2: Players to go there that eventually goes on the NFL,
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Speaker 2: but they still had not seen it. It was a
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Speaker 2: great start with the run they had in the college
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Speaker 2: football playoff under Pete Golding. Everything we've seen and heard
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Speaker 2: from Pete Golding is fantastic.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome.
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Speaker 2: It's impossible not to really like the guy. He is
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Speaker 2: about ball. He is about his guys. He is about
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Speaker 2: digging down into the trenches and making sure he's got
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Speaker 2: his team prepared and and he's trying to win football games.
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Speaker 2: And I think everybody can appreciate that level of honesty
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Speaker 2: that comes from Pete Golding. On the other side, you've
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Speaker 2: got the opposite side of honesty. You've got Lane Kiffin,
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Speaker 2: who's doing a documentary about how he's fallen in love
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Speaker 2: with Oxford and it's changed his life, and he's sober now,
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Speaker 2: and he's doing yoga every day. And, boy, sometimes you
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Speaker 2: don't realize it, but this might be the place for you.
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Speaker 2: And then the moment he gets lured with more money
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Speaker 2: or maybe a better opportunity to win a national title–
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Speaker 2: He's leaving, and not only is he leaving, he's torching
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Speaker 2: the place he left on the way out, trying to
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Speaker 2: take players, trying to take coaches, talking bad about them,
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Speaker 2: probably reporting them to different people and giving other teams
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Speaker 2: info on them and doing all of that. And it
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Speaker 2: didn't sit well with the people of Mississippi. It didn't
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Speaker 2: sit well with Ole Miss fans, and I don't blame
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Speaker 2: them one bit when you see that. And for them
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Speaker 2: to have that moment, Hutton, and not only that, but
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Speaker 2: the way the city and the fan base handled it.
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Speaker 2: was top-notch. We said last week that we didn't expect
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Speaker 2: any big incidents in Oxford, and that's exactly what we got.
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Speaker 2: They didn't storm the field. They were loud. They were
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Speaker 2: there early. I'm not seeing a bunch of fights happening
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Speaker 2: in the Grove and people screaming at each other. They
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Speaker 2: handled it the way you would expect the Ole Miss
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Speaker 2: fan base to handle it, by offering you a drink
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Speaker 2: and an appetizer in the Grove and then going out
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Speaker 2: there and winning and looking like a program that expected
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Speaker 2: to win. Even as a Vegas underdog at home, They
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Speaker 2: played that thing out like they knew they were going
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Speaker 2: to win the whole time.
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Speaker 1: They treated it that way.
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Speaker 2: Hutton, I leave Oxford, Mississippi saying that's a big-time college
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Speaker 2: football program. And there's not many times in the history
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Speaker 2: of Ole Miss football you can say that. And I
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Speaker 2: feel like watching that team, watching that fan base, watching
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Speaker 2: Pete Golding, and watching the hundred prospects, I had to
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Speaker 2: wait to get back to field access at one point
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Speaker 2: while they walked all of the recruits through. There were
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Speaker 2: over a hundred of them from all over the country
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Speaker 2: there for that game. that they were marching up into
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Speaker 2: the student section. It was an impressive sight, Hutton. Kudos
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Speaker 2: to Ole Miss.
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Speaker 1: So there was one person who felt human and wanted
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Speaker 1: to remind everyone about it, and there was one who
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Speaker 1: was not. The one who was not inhuman was Trinidad Chambliss.
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Speaker 1: That's the difference in the ballgame, was the quarterback for
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Speaker 1: Ole Miss who didn't follow his coach to LSU. And
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Speaker 1: then Kiffin postgame, here's Lane Train wanting everyone to know
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Speaker 1: he's human too.
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Speaker 3: Of reasons and I'm not saying this because I'll also
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Speaker 3: have said this anyway if I since you ask it
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Speaker 3: was just really a lot of emotions of gratefulness for
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Speaker 3: this place and for the six years went well beyond
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Speaker 3: football and you know kind of first time coming into
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Speaker 3: this type of game without my dad it was a
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Speaker 3: lot and was really emotional but it was not emotions
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Speaker 3: maybe that I thought I would have felt from all
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Speaker 3: the you know name calling everything we got off the
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Speaker 3: bus and everything it was much more just a lot
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Speaker 3: of gratitude for this place and the people that changed
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Speaker 3: my life way bigger than winning a football game.
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Speaker 1: Chad, he's all about the fight promo. He's Dana White
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Speaker 1: when it comes to college football. And Kiffin, he served
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Speaker 1: up the main event for the main card on what
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Speaker 1: was a great college football Saturday very well. He said, hey,
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Speaker 1: people are in the Grove. We got here early for
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Speaker 1: the stadium. That didn't happen last year. Thank you. You
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Speaker 1: can thank me for that. You're welcome. But the way
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Speaker 1: he handled it, too, I thought was also surprising. I
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Speaker 1: was surprised it didn't storm the field, quite frankly, just
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Speaker 1: with the energy around that game itself, the buildup. $ 13, 000
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Speaker 1: for two nights at an Airbnb. They didn't storm the
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Speaker 1: field for this weekend? I don't know when you do. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you made it into the stadium, you're
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Speaker 1: going to get your money's worth. They did. And I
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Speaker 1: thought Ole Miss certainly paid it back and paid it forward,
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Speaker 1: so to speak, with the way they handled everything. Hey,
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Speaker 1: kudos to everything. Here's my biggest takeaway for the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Be there in Oxford. LSU and Kiffin represents everything around
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Speaker 1: the business side of college football. And despite all of that,
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Speaker 1: it felt like Saturday. It felt like college football. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that doesn't make me feel more
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Speaker 1: like this is the professional sports. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I'll ever feel that way. Standing on the sideline pregame
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Speaker 1: and having the flyover, the anthem, the pageantry, Chad, of
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Speaker 1: what college football represents, especially the South and Southeast. If
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Speaker 1: I didn't feel bad for what was going on on
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Speaker 1: the other sideline with the whole NFL drama, the courts,
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Speaker 1: everything we had talked about all offseason, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I ever will. So I'm thinking college football, still
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Speaker 1: college football, always alive and well, and God bless the
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Speaker 1: Southeastern Conference. Yeah, it did.
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Speaker 2: It felt a little bit like you could have put
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Speaker 2: that in a time capsule and gone back 30 years
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Speaker 2: and replayed that. I know Ole Miss wasn't this good
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Speaker 2: 30 years ago, but.
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Speaker 1: You see my point.
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Speaker 2: Like there's something inherently both new age and timeless about
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Speaker 2: a big SEC game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, being at Funkies the night before the game,
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Speaker 2: this is probably the same scene 25 years ago.
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Speaker 1: Before a big Ole Miss game.
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Speaker 2: Like the Grove and the scene there and all of that,
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Speaker 2: it really was a special weekend.
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Speaker 1: Thrilled to be a part of it with everybody and
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Speaker 1: the people of Oxford.
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Speaker 2: But there was this sense being on the sideline pregame
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Speaker 2: that the entire state, and I know there's another SEC
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Speaker 2: school in the state that we're definitely going to talk
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Speaker 2: about throughout the week also. But it just felt like,
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Speaker 2: you know, the song in tech, the eyes of Texas
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Speaker 2: are upon you. I felt like the eyes of the
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Speaker 2: Magnolia State were upon us But it wasn't just those eyes.
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Speaker 2: It was all of America watching college football that night,
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Speaker 2: wanting to see that game. I got a call yesterday
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Speaker 2: from my cousin Trent, not a sports fan at all.
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Speaker 1: To illustrate how.
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Speaker 2: Much of not a sports fan my cousin Trent is,
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Speaker 2: he runs a tree-cutting service, and he did work for
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Speaker 2: Kirk Herbstreet.
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Speaker 1: At his house.
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Speaker 2: Had no idea who he was talking to. Spent an
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Speaker 2: hour in the front yard talking about ways he.
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Speaker 1: Could do his trees. I'm like, oh, what do you
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Speaker 1: do for a living? Oh, you know, I cover college football. Oh, cool, cool, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, my cousin covers college football, too, and they're talking,
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Speaker 2: this and that. And I'm asking him who he was
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Speaker 2: talking to.
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Speaker 1: He's like, I want to.
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Speaker 2: Say Kent or Kent Herbal. I'm like, Kirk Herbstreet? He's like, yes,
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Speaker 2: Kirk Herbstreet. That's my cousin Trent. Does not know football
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Speaker 2: at all. He was enthralled with that game. He called
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Speaker 2: me to say, I saw that you were at that game,
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Speaker 2: and that was unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: I was hooked. I was watching.
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Speaker 2: He said, I don't know much about the coach and
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Speaker 2: the whole thing, but I was getting bits and pieces
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Speaker 2: watching the broadcast about the bad blood with him. You've
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Speaker 2: got that great sideline shot of after the interception to
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Speaker 2: seal it. In the end zone, the Ole Miss players
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Speaker 2: running and pointing right in the face of Lane Kiffin
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Speaker 2: as they run off the field. I just– it's so rare–
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Speaker 2: in life or sports where it feels like the right.
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Speaker 1: Script was written.
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Speaker 2: Because so many times we watch them and say, boy,
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Speaker 2: you couldn't script that.
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Speaker 1: Or this feels scripted.
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Speaker 2: I just think everything that went into it, the way
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Speaker 2: Kiffin handled everything very poorly, then the buildup to this
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Speaker 2: season where he's trying to bring in the NFL guys
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Speaker 2: and making him a sympathetic figure in it while somebody
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Speaker 2: had to do it and pushing the envelope and nearly
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Speaker 2: getting LSU supposedly ejected from.
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Speaker 1: The SEC before they back down.
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Speaker 2: All of that stuff leading up to this week, early
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Speaker 2: in the season, week three, to have Ole Miss win
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Speaker 2: that way, where Pete Golding outcoached Lane Kiffin. Pete Golding
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Speaker 2: looked like the guy who knew more of Kiffin's tendencies
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Speaker 2: than the other way around. And you got, you're right too, Hunt,
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Speaker 2: you nailed it. You got Superman at quarterback. And Trinidad Chambliss.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, what an incredible. Another thing, my.
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Speaker 2: Cousin Trent, who doesn't know football, was bringing it up
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Speaker 2: and said, boy, that guy's good. I don't know anything
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Speaker 2: about him, but he's good.
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Speaker 1: He's a dude.
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Speaker 2: And he performed that way all night. Just terrific game.
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Speaker 2: Big time moment for Ole Miss. They'll have that forever.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's another great thing about college football versus
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Speaker 2: the NFL that we talk about. And NFL fans have
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Speaker 2: the same feeling at times, too. But you'll never be
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Speaker 2: able to take that away from an Ole Miss fan,
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Speaker 2: whether they're watching on TV or Whether they're watching at
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Speaker 2: a bar on the square or they're in that stadium,
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Speaker 2: that's just a moment that Ole Miss people will have forever.
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Speaker 2: The first chance they got against their old coach Lane
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Speaker 2: Kiffin on a Saturday night in Oxford, they won.
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Speaker 1: They won the game. Incredible. And we talked about this
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Speaker 1: a bit going into the game itself. The storyline was
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Speaker 1: on LSU. It was on Kiffin. We knew that. But
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Speaker 1: it was the coach and the quarterback who we weren't
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Speaker 1: talking about That stepped up to the moment. We also
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Speaker 1: discussed on Friday with Walker Jones, hey, you know, the approach. LSU,
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Speaker 1: you had the injury report. You have the quarterback with
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Speaker 1: the shoulder, all these different things. And then you have
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Speaker 1: trying to not block out. I think they embraced the talk,
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Speaker 1: but they didn't jerk back. You know, like trying to
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Speaker 1: not be distracted by embracing the distractions and It's not
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Speaker 1: like they played into the hype. I thought maybe they
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Speaker 1: were a bit too quiet in some of this because
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Speaker 1: then it just becomes overwhelming. But they handled it perfectly
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Speaker 1: for who they are and what they wanted to represent.
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Speaker 1: Job well done. And look at Pete Goley's record. I mean,
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Speaker 1: look at the numbers here with what he's doing. First
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Speaker 1: coach in college football history to beat four ranked teams
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Speaker 1: in his first six games. He benefits from that by
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Speaker 1: going to the playoff. whenever he's doing all this. But
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Speaker 1: there's Pete Goldie. And then once again, Lane Kiffin, he's
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Speaker 1: yet to.
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Speaker 2: Crack the top 10 when it comes to a victory, Chad.
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Speaker 2: Let's have the Lane Kiffin discussion here. That's an insane stat.
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Speaker 2: He's not slipped up and beat one top 10 team
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Speaker 2: in his entire career. He was a coach at Tennessee
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Speaker 2: for only a year. He was a coach at USC,
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Speaker 2: got himself fired. He was coaching Ole Miss, and now
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Speaker 2: he's at LSU. We have to allow for the possibility
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Speaker 2: that where Lane Kiffin needs to be is where he
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Speaker 2: was before.
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Speaker 1: At a place where he can go overachieve, like Ole Miss.
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Speaker 1: Because the last.
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Speaker 2: Time he got handed the keys to a Ferrari, now granted,
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Speaker 2: when he took over at USC, they got levied with
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Speaker 2: the NCAA issues right after he took the job. But
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Speaker 2: that's still a Ferrari. That's the place he wanted to
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Speaker 2: go to. He said, it's my dream job, having coached
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Speaker 2: there before under Pete Carroll. Pete Golding, now I know
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Speaker 2: opportunity is what it was, but when he took over,
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Speaker 2: how many top tens did he beat? At least two, right?
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Speaker 2: Or one in the college football playoff. When he beat Georgia,
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Speaker 2: now he beats LSU in the first chance. That's just
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Speaker 2: a wild stat that in all the years of coaching
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Speaker 2: for Lane Kiffin, yet to get a top ten team.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Lane Kiffin's a bad coach or anything
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Speaker 2: like that. It blows my mind when I see that
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Speaker 2: what Golding's already accomplished And what Kiffin's yet to accomplish.
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Speaker 1: So, he had two on the road. And winning on
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Speaker 1: the road, Chad, we talked about this over the weekend, too.
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Speaker 1: Winning on the road is tough anyway. But Kiffin rode
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Speaker 1: record versus top ten teams. He had two against Tennessee, Florida,
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Speaker 1: and Alabama, both losses. Now, FAU, this is kind of
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Speaker 1: against his record, too. FAU lost to Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Alabama, two games against Georgia. He had Alabama
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Speaker 1: two games against Georgia. And I don't know why, but
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Speaker 1: the Alabama game is the game we went to. When
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Speaker 1: he's coming back with the unbeaten Ole Miss Rebels, that's
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Speaker 1: when I compared Bryant-Denny Stadium to going to church. Because
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Speaker 1: they showed up and just acted like it was just
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Speaker 1: another Saturday that weekend. And then most recently, LSU on
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Speaker 1: the road against Ole Miss. I will say this about
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Speaker 1: Kiffin though, man. He doesn't want to be an overachiever.
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Speaker 1: He bounces around too much for that. Having been to
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Speaker 1: Oxford just one time now, if you want to overachieve,
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Speaker 1: if you're lane trained, that's exactly where you stay. You're
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Speaker 1: having documentaries made about you about how you changed your
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Speaker 1: life in Oxford. Instead, he embraces the villain role. Coming back,
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Speaker 1: he's saying he's human too. Oxford handled it perfectly. There's
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Speaker 1: a charm about Oxford, Mississippi that is hard to describe.
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Speaker 1: I compared it to Augusta, Georgia. TV doesn't do it justice.
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Speaker 1: You've got to go for yourself and see the Grove
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Speaker 1: and take it in.
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Speaker 2: You've got the quote in Gus Wilson's column about the
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Speaker 2: Oxford trip with that great line about it's similar to
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Speaker 2: Augusta National. The spot we had perched over the Grove
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Speaker 2: a little bit, a lot of you just see the
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Speaker 2: sea of tents. You also see how easy it is
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Speaker 2: to get completely lost. in that maze of tailgates. Once
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Speaker 2: you get in, it's hard to get out. You almost
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Speaker 2: have to drop a pin for somebody to find you
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Speaker 2: or try to worm your way out of there to
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Speaker 2: find the stadium. It's not easy, but incredible setup. JT
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Speaker 2: lets us know, Kiffin now 1-7 when facing a ranked
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Speaker 2: opponent as a top 10 team in his head coaching career.
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Speaker 2: His only win was last year, No. 8 Ole Miss
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Speaker 2: beat No.
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Speaker 1: 13 Oklahoma 34-26.
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Speaker 2: So even as a top 10 team, He's not had
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Speaker 2: success against other ranked opponents. And Brooks lets us know
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Speaker 2: Lane beat number 11 Texas A & M at one
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Speaker 2: point at Ole Miss. That's the closest he's ever come
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Speaker 2: to beating a top 10 team. I mean, there's no
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Speaker 2: other thing that Lane Kiffin could be than overrated because
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Speaker 2: he's not underrated because he gets more talk than anybody
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Speaker 2: else in college football. So he could only be overrated.
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Speaker 2: But based on these numbers, he is overrated. as a coach,
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Speaker 2: because he does not win that gigantic game against a
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Speaker 2: top 10 team. Now, at Ole Miss, when he was
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Speaker 2: there at FAU and all these places, it's not easy
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Speaker 2: to beat top 10 teams, right? Most coaches in college
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Speaker 2: sports don't have a great record against top 10 teams
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Speaker 2: because they're the best of the best. I understand that.
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Speaker 2: But to not get one is nuts. And for Ole
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Speaker 2: Miss to take full advantage of that spotlight, and deliver
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Speaker 2: it in a way that was fun, that was exciting,
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Speaker 2: and that was expected. Because them not storming the field
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Speaker 2: and the way they treated it, it was a true
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Speaker 2: showcase for the Ole Miss Rebels, and it was 10
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Speaker 2: out of 10. Great job, Oxford. Great job, Pete Golding.
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Speaker 2: Great job, your team. Trinidad Chambliss had to come back
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Speaker 2: and apologize for dropping the F-bomb after praising God in
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Speaker 2: his postgame, getting a little emotional with a hottie bleeping
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Speaker 2: toddy at the end of it. But everything was just
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Speaker 2: set up to be this big moment of culmination for
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Speaker 2: that program and to prove it. And they delivered. They
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Speaker 2: proved it. This is a sustainable thing at Ole Miss.
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Speaker 2: I believe that now, having been there and having watched
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Speaker 2: Pete Golding and how.
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Speaker 1: Good he's going to be as a head coach. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of Kiffin's record against those top 10 opponents, he's going
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Speaker 1: to have to wait a while, even at LSU, to
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Speaker 1: have a next opportunity. Until November right now, when they
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Speaker 1: would face another top 10 opponent at LSU, which would
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Speaker 1: be Alabama, Texas, or maybe even Tennessee coming up. Because
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Speaker 1: they've got A & M.
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Speaker 2: If Tennessee wins this weekend, it will be Tennessee as
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Speaker 2: a top 10 team more than likely at that moment.
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Speaker 1: They would have had A & M as a part
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Speaker 1: of that. But that's a part of the SEC weekend
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Speaker 1: we recap when we come back. It was college football
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Speaker 1: on a Saturday that is the charm of why we
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Speaker 1: love the fall and the game of football. We discuss
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Speaker 2: a shout-out to Oxford. Dixieland Delight Friday night was a
18:25
Speaker 2: blast at Funkies. Great job by Gus and Brecca, who
18:29
Speaker 2: joined us from the Sport and State staff.
18:32
Speaker 1: Fantastic job there. Lee Harris... Walker Jones, Kyle Campbell, we
18:38
Speaker 1: thank you for the hospitality. Chad, through and through, it
18:44
Speaker 1: was a great trip, and it's just the beginning for
18:46
Speaker 1: sport and state coverage on Saturdays.
18:49
Speaker 2: We didn't even get into the Katy Perry stories from Lee.
18:53
Speaker 2: I was thinking about after the show, all the stuff Lee,
18:56
Speaker 2: the owner of Funkies, told us beforehand about that bar.
18:59
Speaker 1: So I'm going to save that.
19:00
Speaker 2: I don't want to give that away right now because
19:03
Speaker 2: we want to go back to Oxford after this weekend
19:04
Speaker 2: at some point. So our next trip to Oxford, we're
19:06
Speaker 2: absolutely going back to Funky's and doing the show there again.
19:10
Speaker 2: And then we'll tell the– that's a tease for our
19:12
Speaker 2: future trip to Oxford because this Ole Miss team is
19:14
Speaker 2: probably good enough where we're going to be back at
19:16
Speaker 2: some point over the next few years. And we'll tell
19:19
Speaker 2: that story then. But, yes, Lee Harris, amazing hospitality. Walker Jones,
19:24
Speaker 2: getting it done with that program, helping us out a lot.
19:27
Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, Kyle Campbell also. A terrific weekend,
19:30
Speaker 2: terrific scene at Funky's. And to Drunken Drew, well, let's say–
19:35
Speaker 2: Everything we discussed with him was out of love. We
19:38
Speaker 2: love the guy. People think we're making fun of him.
19:41
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been that well off being that age
19:43
Speaker 2: and being Drew. I'll be the first to admit, that
19:46
Speaker 2: guy was crushing it. um also he was wandering up
19:49
Speaker 2: into our set and talking to us which was great
19:52
Speaker 2: and hilarious but yes at some point we had to
19:54
Speaker 2: remove him you know from the area but old miss
19:57
Speaker 2: fans are acting like we didn't like drew hey you
20:00
Speaker 2: tease your family When you're at Oxford Hut and your family,
20:03
Speaker 2: we felt like family while there. We were not criticizing
20:07
Speaker 2: Drew or making fun of him at all.
20:09
Speaker 1: He's doing great. Drew's doing just fine.
20:11
Speaker 2: But we tease like brothers when we're in a familial setting,
20:14
Speaker 2: and that's what Oxford is, your family.
20:16
Speaker 1: When in Oxford, your family. He was great. And there's
20:21
Speaker 1: a background to it as well. If you know the context,
20:24
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot more entertaining because Brecka and
20:28
Speaker 1: Gus had been out on the streets of Oxford. And
20:31
Speaker 1: we had asked them, we'd asked Brecken, the drunkest fan,
20:35
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, there he is. That's who we
20:37
Speaker 1: just interviewed outside. And so we had him stumble upon us.
20:42
Speaker 2: Well, it's also, someone was accusing us of just going
20:47
Speaker 2: and sabotaging people candid camera style. Like behind us, like
20:51
Speaker 2: you just found someone who just did five shots.
20:53
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no. He came to us.
20:55
Speaker 2: First off, he came to Brecca and Gus. Brecca ran
20:58
Speaker 2: back the footage. And Drew walked up to them in
21:01
Speaker 2: the middle of an interview. Just walked in the middle
21:03
Speaker 2: of there. He was interviewing some ladies on the street.
21:06
Speaker 2: And Drew walked in and started getting interviewed there. He
21:08
Speaker 2: kind of roamed into our set. Then he comes back
21:10
Speaker 2: for the second segment. And he's back in there. No,
21:13
Speaker 2: but all seriousness, it was all in good fun. We
21:16
Speaker 2: love Drew. We love the scene at Funky's. It was
21:19
Speaker 2: an amazing time. So thanks to everybody. If you watch
21:21
Speaker 2: the show on Friday night, if you were there at
21:23
Speaker 2: Funky's incredible scene and we're going to be back on
21:27
Speaker 2: the road this Friday in Knoxville, Tennessee and Alabama, we're
21:32
Speaker 2: going to be following ESPN college game day for a
21:34
Speaker 2: second straight week because that's where game day is going
21:36
Speaker 2: to be also. So I think we're going to see
21:38
Speaker 2: a lot of the college. There's a lot of big
21:40
Speaker 2: top 25 matchups this next weekend, but a lot of
21:43
Speaker 2: the college football world that descended upon Oxford is is
21:46
Speaker 2: going to descend upon Knoxville this next week. But we've
21:49
Speaker 2: got plenty of time to get to that game and others.
21:51
Speaker 2: It was a big-time weekend in the SEC. Just while
21:55
Speaker 2: you're bringing up Tennessee, Texas, let me bring up these guys.
21:58
Speaker 2: I saw Keith Bullock and Albert Hainsworth last night. And
22:01
Speaker 2: they wanted me to say hello to you. They're going
22:03
Speaker 2: to be in Knoxville. And I told them where the
22:05
Speaker 2: setup would be. So reach out to them for.
22:09
Speaker 1: For what will be a fun night, even on that Friday,
22:12
Speaker 1: for Dixieland Delight Friday night as well in K-Town. The
22:18
Speaker 1: only downside is it's the noon Eastern kickoff, but it's
22:23
Speaker 1: going to be a great atmosphere at Neyland. For some reason,
22:26
Speaker 1: they love giving the night games to LSU, and it's LSU,
22:29
Speaker 1: Texas A & M, both teams coming off a loss
22:32
Speaker 1: that will be under the lights in Baton Rouge.
22:35
Speaker 2: By the way, it feels like an elimination game now.
22:38
Speaker 2: for those two teams, right? This early in the year,
22:40
Speaker 2: I mean, whoever loses that game, it's out of sight,
22:42
Speaker 2: out of mind with two losses at this.
22:44
Speaker 1: Point, right? And then Ole Miss-Florida is kind of a
22:49
Speaker 1: driver's seat type game based on what we saw. And
22:52
Speaker 1: it's not.
22:52
Speaker 2: I'm not saying when the season's over, they lose. They
22:55
Speaker 2: could still easily make the playoff with two losses. But
22:57
Speaker 2: it just feels that way that early. Someone's going to
23:00
Speaker 2: go to 0-2 in the SEC. And it won't feel
23:03
Speaker 2: like this when we expand the playoff, you know? That's
23:06
Speaker 2: the other part of it. It does still feel way more–
23:10
Speaker 2: it's closer to the NFL than it's ever been.
23:12
Speaker 1: Like, even with LSU's loss, it's.
23:14
Speaker 2: Not– I remember for years and years, like, you go
23:18
Speaker 2: to a game and you leave the big game and
23:20
Speaker 2: the team that lost, it's like, well, it's over, you know,
23:23
Speaker 2: with a 14 playoff even, or it's close to over
23:26
Speaker 2: already for that team. I don't get that sense about
23:28
Speaker 2: LSU at all, leaving that game. I'm not burying them
23:31
Speaker 2: for dead or anything. It's just– It feels like a
23:34
Speaker 2: big atmosphere and moment and a huge win for Ole Miss,
23:36
Speaker 2: but it's also not a death sentence if you.
23:38
Speaker 1: Lose a game like that. No. Death sentence for NC State,
23:43
Speaker 1: losing a game the way they did. Let's jump right
23:46
Speaker 1: into this, man. We're watching this at the tailgate in Oxford. Thankfully,
23:52
Speaker 1: I don't know how they were able to get YouTube
23:55
Speaker 1: TV at these tailgates, Chad, but we barely had phone service.
24:01
Speaker 1: But we're watching four games at a time at this
24:03
Speaker 1: one tailgate. Thank you to those who are hosting with
24:06
Speaker 1: Beer League. What an all-time finish. And I leave that going.
24:16
Speaker 1: What malpractice is this? We're thinking, okay, they took the safety.
24:21
Speaker 1: They're going to be down by one. And then all
24:23
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're like, no, no, no. There was
24:24
Speaker 1: a fumble there. They fumbled the football. and then the
24:28
Speaker 1: replays of the drama with that play, and knowing that
24:31
Speaker 1: you can clearly see he's told to watch the clock
24:34
Speaker 1: instead of watch the defenders coming at him with the
24:40
Speaker 1: bearing down on him in the end zone. Coaching malpractice
24:44
Speaker 1: and setting this up is where we go. And unfortunately,
24:48
Speaker 1: it'll be a play that is more remembered as an Orlovsky,
24:52
Speaker 1: which would have benefited them in this case. Then it
24:55
Speaker 1: is a coach's decision that set this up for just
24:59
Speaker 1: disaster for NC State. And here is Vanderbilt, 3-0 somehow,
25:06
Speaker 1: despite trailing in that game. Jared Curtis throws the pick
25:09
Speaker 1: on the drive right before that, Chad. And then they
25:12
Speaker 1: have this miraculous win. It's the Music City Miracle times
25:17
Speaker 1: two with what happened, although not many were there to
25:20
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, we'll get to that.
25:22
Speaker 2: We talk Titans a little bit later in terms of
25:24
Speaker 2: the crowd. Positives for Vanderbilt in this game. Jared Kurtz,
25:27
Speaker 2: the second half was great. He was dropping dimes. He
25:31
Speaker 2: had one touchdown thrown like that. That's an NFL pass
25:34
Speaker 2: where he dropped it in a bucket down the sideline.
25:37
Speaker 2: He's running the ball effectively. He's not a great runner,
25:41
Speaker 2: but he can get you some extra yards. He's a
25:43
Speaker 2: big guy. He looked good in the second half, and
25:45
Speaker 2: they fall behind 17-0. That was not a good first
25:48
Speaker 2: half performance by Vandy or him. or anyone, and they're
25:52
Speaker 2: down most of that game. But you also– they're driving
25:56
Speaker 2: to win, and we're like, well, he's going to have
25:58
Speaker 2: his moment. We're going to remember this touchdown throw or
26:01
Speaker 2: this run or whatever he's going to do to win
26:02
Speaker 2: the game.
26:03
Speaker 1: And instead he throws a pick. Right.
26:05
Speaker 2: You know, an ill-advised pass and a triple coverage down
26:08
Speaker 2: the sideline. Like, okay, there's a freshman moment. Now NC
26:10
Speaker 2: State's going to win this. And then, I mean, C.J.
26:13
Speaker 1: Bailey. If you Google C.J.
26:15
Speaker 2: Bailey right now, the first story that pops up is
26:18
Speaker 2: from Yahoo Sports. And the headline is, take his NIL
26:22
Speaker 2: money away. Absolutely inexcusable. College football fans want C.J. Bailey
26:26
Speaker 2: cut from NC State after most absent-minded error versus Vanderbilt.
26:31
Speaker 2: The kid had a good game.
26:33
Speaker 1: Yes.
26:34
Speaker 2: That's what sucks about this for him. I legitimately hurt
26:37
Speaker 2: for him because this will follow him forever. Yes, you're
26:42
Speaker 2: going to get to go play more games. Yes, you
26:45
Speaker 2: might transfer and get out of there because this is
26:47
Speaker 2: going to leave such a bad taste.
26:49
Speaker 1: With the fans, with you.
26:51
Speaker 2: But you're going to have chances to make up for it,
26:53
Speaker 2: but it's never going to be forgotten. You're always, when
26:56
Speaker 2: we talk about, remember that quarterback at NC State?
26:59
Speaker 1: Oh, C.J.
26:59
Speaker 2: Bailey. Wasn't he the guy that he could have just
27:01
Speaker 2: taken a knee and instead fumbled a ball in the
27:04
Speaker 2: end zone? I mean, just everything that had to happen, right?
27:07
Speaker 2: Not only fumbled, he didn't fumble it out of the
27:09
Speaker 2: end zone. It wasn't recovered by NC State. It was
27:11
Speaker 2: immediately pounced on by Vandy. They're celebrating in that end zone.
27:15
Speaker 2: And that's the first thing we saw. We're watching the game.
27:18
Speaker 2: We're thinking, okay, NC State's got it. Why did Dave
27:20
Speaker 2: Doran just take a delay of game?
27:22
Speaker 1: Now he's backed up to the one. That was the
27:24
Speaker 1: play before.
27:25
Speaker 2: And then the next time I'm hitting you on the
27:27
Speaker 2: shoulder saying, Vandy's celebrating and they just won the game.
27:30
Speaker 1: There's no time on the clock and they're on the
27:32
Speaker 1: end zone. What happened?
27:33
Speaker 2: Then we see all the reviews and everything else and
27:35
Speaker 2: the replays of it.
27:37
Speaker 1: I'm stunned.
27:38
Speaker 2: I hurt for the NC State kid. If you're Vandy also,
27:42
Speaker 2: you don't look a gift horse in the mouth. You
27:45
Speaker 2: don't apologize. They made a critical error, and you pounced
27:48
Speaker 2: on it and took it, and you're 3-0. Now, do
27:51
Speaker 2: I feel as good about Vandy through three games I
27:53
Speaker 2: thought I might going into this season?
27:55
Speaker 1: I don't.
27:56
Speaker 2: I feel great that they're 3-0, that they found a
27:58
Speaker 2: way to beat NC State. But when I watched NC
28:01
Speaker 2: State that first weekend against Virginia, and I'm thinking what
28:04
Speaker 2: I saw at practice with Vandy and what they could
28:06
Speaker 2: be with Jared Curtis, I thought that would be a
28:09
Speaker 2: double-digit win for Vandy at home, and they wouldn't have
28:12
Speaker 2: to survive a miracle to do it. Again, and I
28:16
Speaker 2: posted this at halftime of the game, just early window observations.
28:20
Speaker 2: I think Vandy's taking a sizable step back this year.
28:22
Speaker 2: They're off to a great start, but from what I
28:24
Speaker 2: saw last year with Diego Pavia and that 10-win team,
28:27
Speaker 2: this is not a reach. What does sizable step mean?
28:30
Speaker 2: I'm just saying from what I'm seeing from that Vandy
28:32
Speaker 2: team on the field, even though they're surviving and winning,
28:35
Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty big step back. Now, what
28:38
Speaker 2: are they going to be in the future? A lot
28:40
Speaker 2: better because they've got a future pro it looks like
28:44
Speaker 2: in Jared Curtis at quarterback, and they're going to build
28:46
Speaker 2: around him, and they're going to get better and better.
28:49
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, where are they going to be in November
28:51
Speaker 1: compared to September with this quarterback? Yeah. Because he makes
28:55
Speaker 1: his first start, second half, they're down. NC State's dominating
29:00
Speaker 1: this game. Vanderbilt's looking like they have, defensively too, like
29:04
Speaker 1: they have the first two weeks of the season against
29:06
Speaker 1: inferior opponents. And then here is the quarterback with a
29:10
Speaker 1: moment to drive down and take the lead. Now he
29:13
Speaker 1: throws the pick, but if this is the floor, if
29:16
Speaker 1: we're going to compare it to the Titans and the catchphrases,
29:18
Speaker 1: if we're going to see where they are at the
29:19
Speaker 1: end of the year with a true freshman quarterback that's
29:22
Speaker 1: making his first start in week three, this is a
29:25
Speaker 1: great way to start things off because you still get
29:28
Speaker 1: the win. You get the 3-0, and you have so
29:30
Speaker 1: many moments to point to. You have the improbable finish,
29:35
Speaker 1: and now you hit the road in the SEC, and
29:37
Speaker 1: it's not about the quarterback who couldn't drive down and win.
29:40
Speaker 1: it through the pick. It's the way that you made
29:42
Speaker 1: a play and made things happen, and you still keep
29:45
Speaker 1: the ball rolling. I mean, they've got three wins. I
29:48
Speaker 1: was thinking, man, if they get six or seven wins
29:51
Speaker 1: this year, step back. But, man, the jump forward you
29:56
Speaker 1: can make with the momentum of having a sophomore coming
29:59
Speaker 1: back and having the experience as a starter. Chad, correct
30:02
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, you called his state championship game, right?
30:05
Speaker 1: I did, yeah. And you called him the best prospect
30:08
Speaker 1: you'd seen.
30:09
Speaker 2: He is the, he made everything look so easy and effortless.
30:14
Speaker 2: It was unlike any, I don't know that he's the
30:16
Speaker 2: best prospect I've ever seen.
30:18
Speaker 1: Well, in person, I think is what you said. Well,
30:21
Speaker 1: I think quarterback he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:23
Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind, like Jerry Curtis, this is a
30:25
Speaker 2: knock on him, he played at Nashville Christian, which is,
30:28
Speaker 2: the smallest of private school classifications in Tennessee. He played
30:32
Speaker 2: University School of Jackson in that game. I mean, it
30:34
Speaker 2: looked like a middle school team that he was playing
30:37
Speaker 2: compared to him. I mean, their defensive lineman, he was
30:39
Speaker 2: outweighing by 70 pounds, you know, like quarterback. Like he
30:43
Speaker 2: looked like a grown man playing against small children in
30:46
Speaker 2: the game. But he's an effortless slinger of the football team.
30:53
Speaker 2: Like you see in that game, like he does not
30:55
Speaker 2: have to put much effort at all into spinning it
30:58
Speaker 2: right where he wants to do it. Like he is a–
31:00
Speaker 2: what did Barton Simmons tell us when we were watching practice?
31:03
Speaker 2: A talented ball thrower.
31:05
Speaker 1: Ball thrower. Yeah, he is a great– he's got a
31:09
Speaker 1: lot of arm talent. Let's put it that way.
31:12
Speaker 2: But, yeah, I mean, look, I saw some things I like.
31:14
Speaker 2: I saw some things I didn't like. I think that
31:16
Speaker 2: he's obviously, like any freshman, he's got to grow and mature.
31:20
Speaker 2: He's got to make better decisions because– The storyline would
31:23
Speaker 2: have been, hey, great game by Jared Curtis, but he
31:26
Speaker 2: threw a pick with a game on the line. If
31:29
Speaker 2: that wilding doesn't end up the way it does. Brooks says,
31:32
Speaker 2: Clark Lee said they called a full punt rush alignment
31:35
Speaker 2: on that winning play.
31:36
Speaker 1: Which was good coaching.
31:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good coaching, but that's what you expect if
31:39
Speaker 2: you're NC State. I don't know what else Clark Lee
31:42
Speaker 2: would call. There's one play left. You have to get
31:45
Speaker 2: to the quarterback immediately. And expect if they're going to
31:48
Speaker 2: take a knee.
31:49
Speaker 1: Like, C.J. Bailey was doing the right thing. Just go down.
31:53
Speaker 1: He's staring at a clock.
31:55
Speaker 2: The bodies are barreling in behind him and in front
31:58
Speaker 2: of him. I mean, and I don't know what the
32:00
Speaker 2: talking point was. I know Dave Dorn has said a
32:02
Speaker 2: lot of words about it and everything else. But you
32:05
Speaker 2: have got to put in the head, hey, they're coming.
32:08
Speaker 1: They're coming.
32:09
Speaker 2: They've got more than we can block. They're bringing their
32:12
Speaker 2: entire team at you. If you feel anybody in your vicinity,
32:16
Speaker 2: you just go down quickly.
32:17
Speaker 1: We'll kick off. If there's one second left, fine.
32:20
Speaker 2: We'll kick off up one and let Vandy do the
32:23
Speaker 2: lateral game until we eventually pounce on it or tackle
32:26
Speaker 2: them and the game's over. It's just of all of
32:30
Speaker 2: the possible outcomes, that was the one thing you could
32:34
Speaker 2: not do if you're NC State. And because of it,
32:37
Speaker 2: NC State does not get a– that would have been
32:39
Speaker 2: a gigantic win for NC State. The way they started
32:42
Speaker 2: the year. To go to Vandy as an underdog and
32:44
Speaker 2: win an SEC road game.
32:47
Speaker 1: Right. Oh, man. Here's Clark Lee postgame. Yeah. How about
33:02
Speaker 1: them Commodores? Yeah, he was ready.
33:06
Speaker 2: I'm still remembering watching the– The celebration of just thinking,
33:12
Speaker 2: did Vandy just win? It looks like they're celebrating a
33:15
Speaker 2: win in the end zone. After all of that that happened,
33:19
Speaker 2: it was wild.
33:20
Speaker 1: I just, again, I think the human being in anybody,
33:23
Speaker 1: you hurt for, I hurt for C.J. Bailey.
33:27
Speaker 2: If anybody's ever competed at anything in any big moment
33:30
Speaker 2: or any big game, like, I feel for the kid.
33:33
Speaker 2: I've got empathy for him and what he's going through.
33:36
Speaker 2: Was the bonehead of play?
33:37
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Does he deserve ridicule? Sure.
33:41
Speaker 2: I can't imagine not feeling terrible and beating yourself up
33:45
Speaker 2: over it for a long time if you're him.
33:48
Speaker 1: Hopefully he can bounce back.
33:50
Speaker 2: But the key now for Vandy is they go on
33:52
Speaker 2: the road to face a bit of a reeling Auburn
33:55
Speaker 2: team now after they lost at home to Florida.
33:57
Speaker 1: So I think a big opportunity for Vandy on the
34:00
Speaker 1: road this upcoming weekend. And speaking of Clark Lee, the
34:04
Speaker 1: last time we referenced a speech in a locker room
34:09
Speaker 1: from him, was a pregame speech at Auburn two years ago.
34:14
Speaker 1: And Pavia's talking trash. He's winning the Iron Bowl. They
34:21
Speaker 1: went there and won. And they surprised a lot of
34:24
Speaker 1: people that week, too. This is just one of those
34:27
Speaker 1: where you get this win, and it's able to give
34:31
Speaker 1: the momentum of belief. That's what they've lacked, Chad. We
34:37
Speaker 1: saw them lose to Georgia State with Diego Pavia. So
34:40
Speaker 1: let me preface this. Pavia represented the guy that you
34:45
Speaker 1: look to that was going to make a play that
34:48
Speaker 1: was going to win the game. The belief going into
34:52
Speaker 1: the week, the preparation, was we're the underdogs, but we
34:55
Speaker 1: don't view ourselves as that this year because we have Pavia.
35:01
Speaker 1: He's the ultimate underdog who wins. He always climbs the ladder.
35:06
Speaker 1: And that's the spark. that I said that they've got
35:10
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get that without having the
35:13
Speaker 1: one individual. Can you do that as a group instead
35:16
Speaker 1: of the individual? And this is one of those deals
35:20
Speaker 1: where I know he throws the pick, but you're able
35:23
Speaker 1: to do it as a team and win this game.
35:26
Speaker 1: And now can you roll forward where you let Curtis
35:29
Speaker 1: evolve into this guy? There's no doubt. He's the five-star,
35:33
Speaker 1: just like Tennessee's got theirs. We can see these guys
35:37
Speaker 1: improve week to week. I'm excited to see that development,
35:40
Speaker 1: even though record-wise it's not a 10-win team. The gauntlet
35:44
Speaker 1: now begins across the SEC for everyone. Man, no better
35:51
Speaker 1: example than Kentucky on the road against A & M. Yeah,
35:56
Speaker 1: no doubt.
35:57
Speaker 2: Just nuts with that game. By the way, the Jake Keller–
36:00
Speaker 2: on our chat says, the luck is finally on the
36:02
Speaker 2: door side. Vandy's been on the losing end of these
36:04
Speaker 2: heartbreakers for years. Maybe the tables have turned. To your point,
36:07
Speaker 2: they're 14-3 in their last 17 games. This is not
36:10
Speaker 2: same old Vandy. They're finding ways to win miraculously. So
36:14
Speaker 2: it's absolutely they're on a positive trend of winning close
36:19
Speaker 2: games and finding a way. And that is a belief
36:22
Speaker 2: that infests your locker room and your coaching staff when
36:25
Speaker 2: you start winning games like that. So good for Clark
36:27
Speaker 2: Lee and Vandy on finding a way. And Will Stein
36:30
Speaker 2: in Kentucky. Kentucky might have found their Kiffin, except this
36:36
Speaker 2: guy wins the top 10 games, right? There is a
36:39
Speaker 2: swagger about him. He seems to know that state, being
36:42
Speaker 2: from there, understands that program, and I know it was
36:46
Speaker 2: a bad second half against Alabama at home, but to
36:49
Speaker 2: bounce back and go to College Station and win that
36:52
Speaker 2: game easily, they controlled the football.
36:55
Speaker 1: Yes. What was amazing. And they don't do that on
36:58
Speaker 1: the road to the SEC. I think they're, what did
37:00
Speaker 1: I say, Friday? They're 2-8 in their last 10, the Wildcats,
37:04
Speaker 1: on the road. You're not used to seeing Kentucky do that.
37:09
Speaker 1: And then College Station's not an easy place to go
37:11
Speaker 1: play at Kyle Field. But, Chad, I just have the
37:14
Speaker 1: sense every year with the Aggies, there's always one of
37:17
Speaker 1: those games that they slip up at home. A few
37:20
Speaker 1: years back, it was Miami. They're hosting the Hurricanes. This
37:23
Speaker 1: is before the Hurricanes were Cam Ward, you know? And
37:27
Speaker 1: it was just this– yeah, it was a 17-3 game
37:31
Speaker 1: or something like that.
37:34
Speaker 2: Well, last year, remember, they took a miracle comeback in
37:36
Speaker 2: South Carolina.
37:37
Speaker 1: South Carolina.
37:37
Speaker 2: To keep their– that kept their college football playoff hopes alive.
37:40
Speaker 2: They eventually made it. But that was one of those
37:43
Speaker 2: that you were looking to score in the first half.
37:44
Speaker 1: What?
37:45
Speaker 2: They're down 28 points or whatever, just a complete no-show
37:49
Speaker 2: from A & M in that game until they had
37:51
Speaker 2: the big comeback in the second half. Yeah, I mean,
37:53
Speaker 2: it's a bad loss.
37:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:56
Speaker 2: Slice it out if you want, Kentucky, they're probably better
37:59
Speaker 2: than we expected coming in. I think Kenny Minchie's going
38:01
Speaker 2: to be a player also. They're not that good. You know,
38:04
Speaker 2: they're not top half of the SEC.
38:06
Speaker 1: No. I still don't think so.
38:07
Speaker 2: To allow them to go in, and this was not–
38:10
Speaker 2: the NC State loss was a fluke, right? JT, you know,
38:14
Speaker 2: poses the question, did NC State lose it or did
38:17
Speaker 2: Vandy win it? NC State lost it, but Vandy took advantage.
38:20
Speaker 2: So I still give them credit, and they get the win.
38:23
Speaker 2: Kentucky went in there and took it. I mean, they
38:26
Speaker 2: just won this football game wire to wire. They look
38:29
Speaker 2: like the better football team. So that does surprise me.
38:32
Speaker 2: And you've got the veteran Marcel Reed, the quarterback. It's
38:36
Speaker 2: really surprising. And it looked like they were looking ahead.
38:39
Speaker 2: Now they've got to go on the road at LSU.
38:42
Speaker 2: What a storyline that will be on Saturday night. I
38:46
Speaker 2: was going to say Kentucky feels like they're maybe, if
38:51
Speaker 2: they're able to go continue this winning streak, Maybe they're
38:54
Speaker 2: the Vandy.
38:54
Speaker 1: Of what we've seen. But it's Mississippi State that's doing
38:58
Speaker 1: that right now, Chad. Your guy, your quarterback, man. You
39:03
Speaker 1: have been on this for preseason. Jump aboard the hype.
39:08
Speaker 1: Welcome aboard. If you want to jump on the Mississippi
39:12
Speaker 1: State trend, go ahead and do it. Chad's the one
39:15
Speaker 1: who started it.
39:17
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in a hail state pool right now. and
39:20
Speaker 2: I'm lounging and the water is warm. Jump on in,
39:22
Speaker 2: come on, come in the high dive. You can lower
39:25
Speaker 2: yourself in through the stairs, jump in, the water is
39:28
Speaker 2: still warm right now. on the hail state in that pool,
39:31
Speaker 2: in the hot tub that we're in right now with, with, with,
39:34
Speaker 2: with Jeff Levy and with Camario Taylor. Taylor is a
39:37
Speaker 2: stud and go watch his highlight package from that game
39:41
Speaker 2: at South Carolina. That dude can get in trouble and,
39:45
Speaker 2: and with a flick of the wrist running right, throw
39:48
Speaker 2: a laser beam to somebody that you're like, how did
39:51
Speaker 2: he see that guy open? His ability to keep his
39:54
Speaker 2: eyes downfield and to make plays his legs when he
39:56
Speaker 2: takes off and scrambles, incredible. But the top thing everybody says,
40:01
Speaker 2: and this is what Mississippi State has to fight and
40:03
Speaker 2: shake off, everyone is watching him and saying, boy, the
40:07
Speaker 2: bidding war for that guy in the offseason. Someone's going
40:10
Speaker 2: to come in with a bag of cash, and lure
40:13
Speaker 2: him away from Mississippi State. And it's just an assumption.
40:16
Speaker 2: No one's thinking about Mississippi State next year with Kamaru Taylor.
40:18
Speaker 2: They're thinking he's got one more year after this before
40:21
Speaker 2: he's in the NFL draft, and an LSU or someone
40:25
Speaker 2: is going to come in and pay top dollar and
40:27
Speaker 2: bring him over, and he's going to light it up
40:29
Speaker 2: for some national title contender. That may very well happen.
40:33
Speaker 2: But if you're Mississippi State and you're Jeff Love, you're saying, hey, guys,
40:36
Speaker 2: we're in the SEC too. We just went on the
40:38
Speaker 2: road at night and won a big football game against
40:42
Speaker 2: South Carolina, I guess it was late afternoon that game.
40:45
Speaker 2: But either way, you've got to say, we play big
40:47
Speaker 2: boy football also at Mississippi State. To do that now,
40:50
Speaker 2: you've got to pay big boy money and ante up
40:54
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to keep Kamario Taylor in the fold.
40:57
Speaker 2: That's next year. That's this next offseason. Right now, Mississippi
41:01
Speaker 2: State is a college football playoff contender. I truly believe that.
41:05
Speaker 1: Is it fair or unfair that I think of– the
41:10
Speaker 1: spot that Mississippi State is in and compare the quarterback
41:14
Speaker 1: to what Sellers used to be his freshman year at
41:17
Speaker 1: South Carolina. I don't think Taylor arrived and Sellers had
41:23
Speaker 1: all the hype and did some great things. I just
41:25
Speaker 1: haven't thought of Sellers in the group of quarterbacks anymore.
41:29
Speaker 1: Catfish Jake says Camario will beat Bama. Jake is an
41:32
Speaker 1: Alabama fan. I heard our guys on Next Round Live.
41:34
Speaker 1: LT said he thinks that Camario Taylor, Mississippi State, will
41:37
Speaker 1: go to Tuscaloosa and win. There's a lot of buzz.
41:40
Speaker 2: Around Kamario Taylor and Mississippi State. Look, Lenora Sellers Hutton
41:48
Speaker 2: is a great comp on this. I think staying at
41:50
Speaker 2: South Carolina has hurt the guy. I think he would
41:53
Speaker 2: have been better served going somewhere else in the portal
41:55
Speaker 2: and learning from someone different. And I don't think Shane
41:58
Speaker 2: Beamer's a bad coach. I like what Shane Beamer's done.
42:01
Speaker 2: To me, you look at South Carolina right now, and
42:04
Speaker 2: it just feels like a seesaw. no matter what, from
42:07
Speaker 2: year to year, right? Like, okay, they surprised and did
42:09
Speaker 2: well this year. Then they're going to fall off a
42:11
Speaker 2: cliff the next year. Now, they haven't fallen off a
42:14
Speaker 2: cliff yet, but they fell off the cliff last year
42:16
Speaker 2: after a good season before, and they're off to a
42:19
Speaker 2: bad start this year, losing that game at home.
42:22
Speaker 1: And you've got Lenore Sill.
42:23
Speaker 2: You've got some top-level NFL picks, you know, at the
42:27
Speaker 2: top of that roster for South Carolina. And I love
42:30
Speaker 2: when a guy stays home. I love when he commits
42:33
Speaker 2: to a team and a program and doesn't transfer. So
42:35
Speaker 2: full marks for Lenore Sellers in doing that. I just
42:38
Speaker 2: think that there will be a question at the end
42:39
Speaker 2: of this year of was that the best route for
42:42
Speaker 2: development for him to stay at South Carolina the entire time.
42:46
Speaker 1: Let's make a pact here, though, because an agreement. We
42:49
Speaker 1: have to remember this. It was Sellers and it was
42:51
Speaker 1: a group of guys who stayed with Beamer. I love that.
42:59
Speaker 1: For all the talk about guys moving around, they decided
43:02
Speaker 1: to come back. There's money there. There's money everywhere, though.
43:06
Speaker 1: And the fact that they backed their coach for one year,
43:10
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. We talked to Beamer about that
43:13
Speaker 1: at SEC Media Days with the decision surrounding that. I
43:18
Speaker 1: also don't mind the fact that Beamer's willing to talk
43:21
Speaker 1: about it openly. The pressure to win and win now.
43:25
Speaker 1: They don't do that. That's a home game you've got
43:28
Speaker 1: to have. If you're looking at the schedule, that's a
43:31
Speaker 1: South Carolina win early in the season, like preseason. We're
43:34
Speaker 1: just going down the list. It wasn't there. Hey, when
43:36
Speaker 1: we come back. Absolutely.
43:37
Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, I misspoke. The Bama-Mississippi State
43:40
Speaker 2: game in Starkville. I feel even better about a Mississippi
43:43
Speaker 2: State win. Not in Tuscaloosa.
43:47
Speaker 1: When is that game? It's coming up. I don't have
43:51
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43:54
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Speaker 1: Jed, we've had John Summerall on our show, past show. And, man, maybe,
45:38
Speaker 1: turns out maybe he's exactly what Florida needs. Exactly what
45:41
Speaker 1: Florida needs is they go and they beat Auburn. And
45:44
Speaker 1: now they set up a matchup against Ole Miss. Here's
45:46
Speaker 1: Summerall postgame. Chad, did you see his postgame in the
46:03
Speaker 1: locker room as well? Look at him.
46:07
Speaker 2: He was real hard up about Auburn growing up in Huntsville.
46:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
46:12
Speaker 2: He dropped the F-bomb also. They didn't want us. They
46:15
Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about us. They ain't going to
46:17
Speaker 2: talk about Florida anymore. It's rare to see John Gruden
46:20
Speaker 2: get alpha-dogged like that with another grown man messing up
46:22
Speaker 2: his hair and knocking his hat off.
46:25
Speaker 1: I mean, John.
46:26
Speaker 2: Sumrall is a meathead in the perfect way. He is
46:31
Speaker 2: a more intelligent version of Ed Orgeron when it comes
46:34
Speaker 2: to the.
46:34
Speaker 1: Meatheadiness of him.
46:36
Speaker 2: Ed Orgeron is like, I still think back, Mike, this
46:39
Speaker 2: man won a national title. We talked about this with
46:42
Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher when I watch him on TV now. Not
46:44
Speaker 2: that long ago, 2013, Jimbo Fisher won a national title
46:48
Speaker 2: with Florida State. It's crazy when you see him and
46:51
Speaker 2: watch him interact and things. This was a leader of
46:54
Speaker 2: men of an organization that won a national title.
46:57
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about Orgeron.
46:59
Speaker 2: I think John Sumrall comes across as way more polished
47:03
Speaker 2: than Coach O did as a head coach, but it's
47:05
Speaker 2: the same fight. The fight or flight response, it's always
47:10
Speaker 2: going to be fight with John Summerall. 100% of the time,
47:13
Speaker 2: it's going to be fight. And you see that in that.
47:15
Speaker 1: Video with Gruden. I loved it. The attitude, the energy,
47:20
Speaker 1: the blunt, direct approach that we're seeing from Summerall, that
47:26
Speaker 1: we see from Pete Golding, quite frankly. Will Stein. We've
47:31
Speaker 1: had them on, right? There's a direct, honest... aspect to
47:37
Speaker 1: them that is not coach speak you know it's just
47:40
Speaker 1: kind of like they're pissed off for greatness that's the
47:42
Speaker 1: best way to describe them i think is uh you
47:45
Speaker 1: know they're they're not afraid to just say exactly the
47:48
Speaker 1: word they want to say you know and that's that's
47:51
Speaker 1: a that's a different vibe across the sec right now
47:56
Speaker 1: you know that the he's you got some are all
47:59
Speaker 1: in in the locker room Saying, you know what? It
48:02
Speaker 1: gets everybody quiet. Ethel. And everybody goes crazy. How about
48:05
Speaker 1: the Gators? It's what you want to see if you're
48:09
Speaker 1: the fan of the team that has been down and
48:12
Speaker 1: eight wins isn't good enough. Finishing top ten in recruiting
48:16
Speaker 1: isn't good enough. You want to be top five. That's
48:19
Speaker 1: what you have to have to get momentum. And that's
48:21
Speaker 1: a win you have to have if you want to
48:23
Speaker 1: bring back the program sooner rather than later. And it
48:27
Speaker 1: sets up a big matchup this week. Every week is big.
48:30
Speaker 1: But just the results of week three lead into week
48:33
Speaker 1: four with some jam-packed and drama-filled matchups that are going
48:37
Speaker 1: to be a lot of fun.
48:38
Speaker 2: If you are a Florida fan, think about you just
48:43
Speaker 2: came from Billy Napier. And Billy Napier is a great
48:47
Speaker 2: person and seems like a really good down-to-earth dude that
48:51
Speaker 2: a lot of people respect and like. But you go
48:54
Speaker 2: from a guy– and I say this respectfully– who feels
48:57
Speaker 2: like he should be drinking out of a styrofoam cup
49:00
Speaker 2: while leading Bible study, the way he speaks to the team, right?
49:03
Speaker 2: Like he's like leading a youth group or he's talking
49:06
Speaker 2: to someone. He's a Dabo light. Yeah, but like calm.
49:09
Speaker 2: Dabo's got a big personality and is loud and, you know,
49:12
Speaker 2: he gets after it and doing all that. Like he's
49:14
Speaker 2: just monotone at all times with every answer, with everything
49:18
Speaker 2: he's doing, addressing his team and all that.
49:19
Speaker 1: Right.
49:20
Speaker 2: You go from that to that yeah we go from
49:23
Speaker 2: billy napier to a dude who just steamrolled john gruden
49:28
Speaker 2: post game while hugging his family and celebrating a win
49:31
Speaker 2: at auburn it's just oftentimes athletic directors will go from
49:34
Speaker 2: one extreme to the next offensive guy got to be
49:37
Speaker 2: a defensive guy Loud mouth guy, got to be a
49:40
Speaker 2: quiet guy, right? Quiet guy, then you got to go
49:42
Speaker 2: to a loud guy. This is an example, though, of
49:45
Speaker 2: Florida fans. They were complaining about the results with Billy Napier,
49:48
Speaker 2: and rightfully so. But they're also complaining about the attitude.
49:51
Speaker 2: You need to have a swagger if you're the Florida coach.
49:54
Speaker 2: It all goes back to Steve Spurrier. He's the gold
49:56
Speaker 2: standard of what you want to see at Florida. Urban
49:58
Speaker 2: Meyer did it in a different way, but his teams
50:00
Speaker 2: were punishing also. John Sumrall's got that it factor on.
50:06
Speaker 2: that you want to see in any coach, but especially
50:09
Speaker 2: a Florida Gators coach, it's off to a great start.
50:11
Speaker 2: That was a big-time win on the road for the Gators.
50:14
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the initials U.S. Grant. He's more William
50:16
Speaker 1: Tecumseh Sherman in the march through Atlanta is what Jim
50:20
Speaker 1: Somerhal is bringing, you know, like this take-no-prisoners approach. You know,
50:25
Speaker 1: burn down the city as we march through the SEC
50:28
Speaker 1: and we chant our own fight song while we go
50:33
Speaker 1: through the state of Alabama.
50:35
Speaker 2: It's his march to the sea.
50:37
Speaker 1: Yes.
50:38
Speaker 2: Every game feels like a march to the sea for
50:40
Speaker 2: John Sumrall in Florida as they try to take Savannah eventually.
50:44
Speaker 2: By December, they'll take Savannah. We're landlocked in Gainesville, but
50:48
Speaker 2: by God, we're taking the sea. I think it works.
50:52
Speaker 2: I think every program is different and they have their
50:54
Speaker 2: own personality. I think there are certain programs where any
50:57
Speaker 2: personality could work as long as they're a good football coach.
51:00
Speaker 2: I think other places, they only work well with certain
51:04
Speaker 2: types of dudes. I think Florida's one of those. I
51:07
Speaker 2: think Florida's got a lot of advantages, and when Florida's good,
51:10
Speaker 2: we've seen it a lot, they can be right there
51:13
Speaker 2: with anybody in the country in terms of football. But Hutton,
51:17
Speaker 2: I do think that it takes a certain level of
51:21
Speaker 2: being okay with being a villain, and John Sumrall certainly
51:24
Speaker 2: is that, with having a little bit of a loudmouth persona.
51:30
Speaker 1: We've seen it with Spurrier.
51:32
Speaker 2: I think the villain part of it you saw with
51:33
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer who had no problem doing that. I think
51:36
Speaker 2: John Summerall's got that same charisma an attitude that you
51:40
Speaker 2: want to see with a Florida Gators coach.
51:42
Speaker 1: It's the right fit for right now. It's like you
51:44
Speaker 1: don't have to have that. The guy that always follows
51:46
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't need to be like this. It's what
51:49
Speaker 1: Florida needed. It's like Tennessee needed what Heupel brought. They
51:52
Speaker 1: needed a football coach that wasn't going to be brick
51:54
Speaker 1: by brick and have all these different phrases or drop
51:58
Speaker 1: money in a bag. They needed someone who was just
52:00
Speaker 1: going to embrace the rules and toe the line and
52:04
Speaker 1: bring in quarterbacks. Bring in the five stars. Good job.
52:09
Speaker 1: That's the momentum you want. You want to have belief
52:12
Speaker 1: for a program that is believing in where they are,
52:16
Speaker 1: not where they were. Speaking of believing, I don't believe it.
52:21
Speaker 1: Believe it. Are they 0-2? Are they 2-0? We're going
52:25
Speaker 1: to cross the NFL. The 2-0 teams, we've got three
52:29
Speaker 1: of them coming up. They're surprises. Are we buying it
52:33
Speaker 1: at 2-0? Don't believe it? Or believe it. Straight ahead
52:37
Speaker 1: here on Nothing to Withdraw.