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HW 2026-10-22 The Problem with Medicine - Dr. James Marcum & Charles Mills · Heartwise

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  Speaker 1: This is HeartWise, offering practical tips and time-proven guidelines to
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  Speaker 1: make your life healthier, happier, and more fulfilling. Today you'll
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  Speaker 1: learn simple Bible-based principles for building and maintaining optimum mental
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  Speaker 1: and physical health, all while deepening your relationship with your Creator.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your HeartWise host, Dr. James Markham.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on HeartWise.
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  Speaker 2: We have a very exciting topic, at least I think
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  Speaker 2: it's exciting in my mind, and I got my co-host
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  Speaker 2: who helps us with HeartWise, Charles Mills, is with us. Charles,
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  Speaker 2: tell us what we're going to be talking about today.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Dr. Markham, we've come to depend on modern
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  Speaker 1: medicines to cure our ills. One problem, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: modern medicines can't even cure the common cold. What they
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  Speaker 1: can do, and do very well, is keep us alive
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  Speaker 1: long enough for nature to take its course and bring
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  Speaker 1: about the needed healing. But sometimes in their attempt to
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  Speaker 1: keep us alive, modern medicines do just the opposite. Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about what's killing us and what we need to
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  Speaker 1: do to survive.
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  Speaker 3: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Markham, I think today's show may surprise a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, Charles. And, you know, I recently
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  Speaker 2: have finished writing this book, And this book is entitled
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  Speaker 2: Medicines That Kill. And I've had several people ask me
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  Speaker 2: if this is a conspiracy book. And the answer to
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  Speaker 2: that question is no. And a lot of people ask,
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  Speaker 2: is this book going to get you in trouble? And
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  Speaker 2: the answer to that is probably yes. But throughout all times,
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  Speaker 2: people that have sort of bucked the system have run
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  Speaker 2: into some trouble. But I really wrote this book to
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  Speaker 2: let people be aware, to give people the knowledge, to
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  Speaker 2: let them realize that medicines do kill. And in the book,
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  Speaker 2: what I tried to prove in the book, at least
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  Speaker 2: in the front part of the book, I tried to
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  Speaker 2: illustrate the magnitude of the problem and all the ways
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  Speaker 2: that medicines are killing us. And I just want to
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  Speaker 2: start with this comment. Last year, heart disease wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: number one killer in America, even though it killed over 600,000 people.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't the number one killer. Cancer, it killed many people,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't the number one killer. In this book,
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  Speaker 2: I argue that medications, medications, including over-the-counter medications, the medications
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  Speaker 2: that any of us can buy without a prescription, that
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  Speaker 2: was the true number one cause of death in America.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what, Charles? We have an American Heart Association.
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  Speaker 2: We have an American Cancer Society. Now I think it's
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  Speaker 2: time to let people think about, you know, maybe we
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  Speaker 2: should have an American society for the appropriate use and
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  Speaker 2: careful use of medications.
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  Speaker 1: I could think of no more powerful need right now
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  Speaker 1: than that. If this is the number one killer, this
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what we need. Well, how did we get here, Dr. Markham?
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  Speaker 1: We have this monumental problem. We are taking medicines that
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  Speaker 1: are supposed to help us, and they do just the
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  Speaker 1: opposite in so many cases. How did we get here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you look back over the history of medicine, Hippocrates,
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  Speaker 2: the great Greek physician who many of us... did an
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  Speaker 2: oath to in medical school. He said, you know, let
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  Speaker 2: the body... His goal was to let the body come
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  Speaker 2: back to normal physiology so the body could heal itself.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, he was the one that said, let food
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  Speaker 2: be thy medicine. We have strained a long way from that.
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  Speaker 2: And what's happened in our system is as we've got
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  Speaker 2: more and more stress on our system, and I sort
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  Speaker 2: of define stress as when we've moved away from God's plan,
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  Speaker 2: whether it be diet or mental or rest or whatever...
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  Speaker 2: It puts stress on our system, creates all these chemicals,
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  Speaker 2: including changing our genetics. And there's a whole fascinating field
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  Speaker 2: now called epigenetics. When that happens, the chemistry is altered
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  Speaker 2: and subsequently symptoms develop. And unfortunately, our society now is
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  Speaker 2: treating a bunch of symptoms and not causes. And in
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  Speaker 2: the first part of this book, I really go through
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  Speaker 2: all of the ways, all the many different ways that
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  Speaker 2: medications are killing. And if you're willing to listen to this, Charles,
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  Speaker 2: I'll go through some of those.
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  Speaker 3: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have heard about this terrible thing
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  Speaker 2: called anaphylaxis. We see that most commonly in medicines like penicillin.
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  Speaker 2: People are emergently reactive to that. They swallow. The immune
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  Speaker 2: system attacks. A terrible immune reaction comes in. And sometimes
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  Speaker 2: this can be fatal. We've heard people that have anaphylaxis
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  Speaker 2: to bee stings. Well, any medicine... can cause us anaphylaxis.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the ways medicines can kill.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you say any medicine. We're talking about not only
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  Speaker 1: prescription medicine, but the things we would pick on the
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  Speaker 1: shelf in a drugstore?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: A person can have an immune response. Even though it's rare,
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  Speaker 2: you can have an immune response to anything foreign that
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  Speaker 2: you introduce into your body. And that includes any chemicals
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  Speaker 2: that you might smell or snort or whatever. It also
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  Speaker 2: includes food you eat. We don't see that quite as often,
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  Speaker 2: but it's all these things can cause the immune system
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  Speaker 2: to be revved up and attack the antigen or the
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  Speaker 2: foreign object. A lot of people don't realize that medicine's
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  Speaker 2: mistakes are made in the hospital. There's been estimated in
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  Speaker 2: the book that over 100,000 fatal mistakes are made in
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  Speaker 2: the hospital, whether it be given the wrong dose or
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  Speaker 2: or an anaphylactic reaction that happens in the hospital, even
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  Speaker 2: a wrong medicine that gives into the patients. Another 100,000
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  Speaker 2: mistakes are made in the outpatient world where pharmacists and
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  Speaker 2: others make mistakes. Then there's the adverse reactions that happen
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  Speaker 2: with the medicines. You take this medicine with that medicine,
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  Speaker 2: and before you know, you have a cocktail that in
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  Speaker 2: and alone of itself is not deadly, but you mix
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  Speaker 2: two of these together, and all of a sudden you
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  Speaker 2: have a deadly reaction. But probably one of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: problems we have in North America right now is a
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  Speaker 2: medication that's termed narcotics or pain medications. Some people indeed
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  Speaker 2: have chronic pain. But right now, you look at all
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  Speaker 2: the people that are taking these pills just for their pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, these medications are addictive. That means you might
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  Speaker 2: get by with a little bit and then a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more to satisfy that need and then a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more. And these medications, especially mixed with other medications
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  Speaker 2: and alcohol, can be lethal. They can cause a person
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  Speaker 2: to stop breathing. They can depress the respiration drive. We've
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  Speaker 2: seen several high-profile celebrities recently that had this as implications,
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  Speaker 2: whether that be Heath Ledger. We also have had Whitney Houston.
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  Speaker 2: Some of these big stars, whether they were having chronic
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  Speaker 2: pain or just taking these narcotics, it's a major problem. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: narcotic deaths continue to rise every year. More people die
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  Speaker 2: from narcotic deaths than die from car accidents in America.
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  Speaker 2: And yet, and yet, narcotics is a medicine that's written
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  Speaker 2: by a doctor. And unfortunately, people are getting these illegally.
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  Speaker 2: And youngsters now are having pill parties where they take
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  Speaker 2: these medications to get high. It's just another epidemic, another
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  Speaker 2: way medicines can kill. Let me throw a few more
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  Speaker 2: out there, Charles. Did you know that people right now
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  Speaker 2: have more mental disease and mental illness than ever before?
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes, again, we're not getting at the cause of
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  Speaker 2: the disease. Instead of saying, well, let's get at the
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  Speaker 2: cause of mental illness, we're saying, let's throw on some
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  Speaker 2: more chemicals and distort the brain even more. Sometimes people
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  Speaker 2: are on so much medications, it even alters their thinking
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  Speaker 2: even more. We know that several of the antidepressants have
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  Speaker 2: increased the rates of suicide. Some of these mass killers
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  Speaker 2: that have been on, whether it be Columbine or some
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  Speaker 2: of these others, all have had implicated mind-altering medications. Now,
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  Speaker 2: whether this did it or made it worse, I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 2: but it certainly did not help the situation. Another way
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  Speaker 2: people are dying from medications is just we don't realize
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  Speaker 2: that people don't understand how to take the medications. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we assume that everyone can read, but up to a
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  Speaker 2: quarter of people now are illiterate. They don't understand how
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  Speaker 2: these medications are supposed to be taken. You know, we've
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  Speaker 2: had several people that instead of taking one pill every
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  Speaker 2: four hours, take it one pill, you know, they just
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  Speaker 2: take it wrong. And sometimes they think if one pill
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  Speaker 2: will make me feel this good, let me take two pills.
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  Speaker 2: One story real quick, I had a lady that was
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  Speaker 2: taking a pill that came to the emergency room not
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  Speaker 2: too long ago. It was a heart pill. And she says, well,
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  Speaker 2: if my heart needs help, she'll take this pill. And
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  Speaker 2: it was actually a beta blocker, which slows the heart
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  Speaker 2: rate down. So she took one pill because she says,
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  Speaker 2: I felt tired and I felt like my heart wasn't
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  Speaker 2: doing good. So if I take one it'll help my
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  Speaker 2: heart out. Well, after a couple hours, didn't help her. Now,
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  Speaker 2: she did not notice that her heart rate was gradually
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  Speaker 2: going slower and slower. She says, well, if one pill
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  Speaker 2: didn't take me, maybe I should double up on the dose.
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  Speaker 2: So she doubles up on the dose, and guess what?
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  Speaker 2: Now her heart rate's in the 30s, and she's passing out.
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  Speaker 2: She brums to the emergency room. We figure that she's
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  Speaker 2: overdosed on a beta blocker. Luckily, we're able to revive
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  Speaker 2: her and get her going again. But how many people
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  Speaker 2: take the medications inappropriately at home? not knowingly, but just
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  Speaker 2: because they don't understand fully and create a deadly problem.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this surprises me because these medicines come with huge
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  Speaker 1: amount of information in the little paper that comes with
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  Speaker 1: them and says, don't do this, don't do that. It
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  Speaker 1: seems very clear. Now, I can understand why people who
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  Speaker 1: could not read may not get it, but they're not
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  Speaker 1: the only ones that are suffering here. So there's got
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  Speaker 1: to be something that is driving us beyond illiteracy. that
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  Speaker 1: is causing us to abuse drugs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're going to talk more about this after
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  Speaker 2: a break, but people assume, they assume that just because
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  Speaker 2: the medicines are out there, they must be safe. They
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  Speaker 2: assume that because a drug or pharmaceutical has been prescribed,
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  Speaker 2: there's no danger to them. Well, that's no further from
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  Speaker 2: the truth. And we're going to talk to this after
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  Speaker 2: this break. So listeners stay with us, learn about medicines
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  Speaker 4: Why am I sick?
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  Speaker 1: Music Welcome back to the program. I'm your host, Charles
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  Speaker 1: Mills here. I'm a health reporter for HeartWise Ministries, and
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  Speaker 1: we're here with the founder-director of HeartWise, Dr. James Markham, cardiologist,
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  Speaker 1: and we're talking about, this is going to surprise people,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about medicines and how, while they're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: help us and bring us along and cure our ills,
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  Speaker 1: they tend to, unfortunately, do just the opposite. They can
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  Speaker 1: hurt us and they can kill us.
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  Speaker 2: And Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Markham has written an entire book on the subject, Medicines
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  Speaker 1: That Kill, from Tyndale, You might want to check that out.
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  Speaker 1: Medicines that kill. And Dr. Markham, before the break, you
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  Speaker 1: were saying that some people take their medicines wrong because
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  Speaker 1: they can't read. Some people take their medicines wrong because
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  Speaker 1: they assume that because this medicine has been brought to
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  Speaker 1: them by the Food and Drug Administration, it is safe
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  Speaker 1: to do Even though the information that comes with the
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  Speaker 1: medicine says don't do it, they do it anyway, that's
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  Speaker 1: got to be a real problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. And we assume that everyone knows why
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  Speaker 2: they're taking the medicines and what's correctly. But there's five
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  Speaker 2: things that I think people that will improve patient literacy.
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  Speaker 2: And the first thing I want a patient to ask is,
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  Speaker 2: why am I taking this medication? Number two, how and
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  Speaker 2: when do I take this medication? They need to know
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  Speaker 2: these things before they lead. So how and when? What
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  Speaker 2: are the side effects, especially the dangerous ones of the medicines?
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  Speaker 2: And when should I not take this medication? You know,
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  Speaker 2: when should I definitely not take this medication? Are there
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  Speaker 2: situations that is potentially lethal? And lastly, what should I
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  Speaker 2: do if I forget to take this medication? And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on patient literacy, if people are more interested in this,
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  Speaker 2: there's a great website. It's www.health.gov slash communications. where people
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  Speaker 2: can get some more interesting. But that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: way medicines is kill, is when people are illiterate and
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  Speaker 2: don't take the medications correctly, Charles.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you said, number three here, what are the side effects?
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned in the book that Don't read these
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  Speaker 1: things in a dark night before going to bed, the
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  Speaker 1: side effects, because you will not sleep. You'll be scared
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  Speaker 1: half to death. Knowing this, knowing the side effects, how
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  Speaker 1: do you decide whether someone should take this, even though
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  Speaker 1: the side effects could be so obvious and so damaging?
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  Speaker 2: That is a great question, Charles. And I get that daily.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to go over that daily with my patients.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I say medications are originally designed for
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  Speaker 2: short term, most of them. Get you over in a crisis.
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  Speaker 2: It's not for a long term if you can change
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  Speaker 2: your chemistry any other way. So let's look at it, patient.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any other way we can change your chemistry
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  Speaker 2: so we don't need to use the medicine? Then after
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  Speaker 2: that discussion, I say, but sometimes medications are needed. And
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  Speaker 2: we always have to look at the risk of the medicines.
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  Speaker 2: There's no medicine that's risk-free. There's none that are risk-free.
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  Speaker 2: What's the risk versus the benefit of the medications? You know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize that the number one
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  Speaker 2: cause of fatal bleeding in the United States from the
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  Speaker 2: intestines was aspirin, okay? You can get that over the counter.
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  Speaker 2: The number one cause of acute liver failure requiring transplantation
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  Speaker 2: was acetaminophen. And that's a substance that's in many of
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  Speaker 2: the over-the-counter medications. So a part of this book, we
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  Speaker 2: really want to let people be aware that there is
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  Speaker 2: a major problem out there. And in this book, I
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  Speaker 2: argue that it's the number one cause of death in America.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we want to make sure that we are
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  Speaker 1: not setting people up here for disaster by their hearing
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  Speaker 1: us talk about this and saying, well, if medicines are
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  Speaker 1: so dangerous, I'm going to stop right now taking the
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  Speaker 1: medicines that I'm taking. I'm going to throw them down
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  Speaker 1: the toilet and no more for me. What do you
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  Speaker 1: say to those people?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, never should do that. You always want to
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  Speaker 2: check with your doctor and ask those questions we talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Why am I taking this medicine? Is there any other
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  Speaker 2: way naturally or through lifestyle changes that I can get
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  Speaker 2: off this medicine? Is the risk worth the benefits? And
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  Speaker 2: that's something that most people never have. They just want
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  Speaker 2: to take a pill. For instance, type 2 diabetes has
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  Speaker 2: never been cured by medication, okay? And yet, when I
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  Speaker 2: talked to a patient, I said, you know, you're on
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  Speaker 2: this medication. Do you want to come off of it?
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  Speaker 2: And they said, yeah, yeah. Is that possible? I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard of this. And I've been taking this medicine for
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  Speaker 2: 10 years. I said, well, you know, this medicine, if
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  Speaker 2: you don't eat and drink, there's some risk to this,
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  Speaker 2: including low blood sugar. If you go into kidney failure,
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  Speaker 2: you're dehydrated. This could cause some big problems. Oh, can
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  Speaker 2: I get off of it? What can I do? I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: did you know that if you just exercise one hour
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  Speaker 2: a day, that's worth five units of insulin? Did you
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  Speaker 2: know that if you get fat out of your body
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  Speaker 2: in your diet, there's a 90% to 95% chance that
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  Speaker 2: you might not need to take this medicine? And when
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  Speaker 2: people hear that, they say, well, I don't want the
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  Speaker 2: risk of the medicine anymore. Let's move on. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people that don't even realize that there
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  Speaker 2: are other opportunities. And that's why we must ask. We
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  Speaker 2: must ask the questions. Why am I on this medicine?
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  Speaker 2: Is the risk worth the benefits? Is there anything else
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  Speaker 2: naturally I can do? Now, I was going through all
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  Speaker 2: the different ways that medicines can kill, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: couple other ones that we really, really, really have to
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  Speaker 2: talk about, at least mention. One of the people don't
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  Speaker 2: realize that a lot of unborn can be hurt by medication.
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  Speaker 2: We wonder why the miscarriage rate goes up so much. Well,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the medicines are what we call teratogens.
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  Speaker 2: They can hurt the newborn. That's a scary thing. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the newborns can get... And then, of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's that RU486, and that's a medicine that's given to
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  Speaker 2: actually terminate pregnancies. So no one likes to talk about it,
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  Speaker 2: but that's a way that medicines are also killing people.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the active ingredients of medications now are
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  Speaker 2: put into the actual pharmaceuticals by people, young people that
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: live in different countries, China and India, for instance. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: sometimes they make mistakes. We heard about the heparin scare.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and how that was a big disaster because they weren't
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: putting the medicines in right. Several times a year, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: get inserts that say, oh, you have to get rid
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of this medication because by accident, we put five times
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the amount the dose was put in it. We just
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: found that out. Well, how do you think they found
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that out? They found out that by someone that passed
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: away from that medicine. And often, medicines get to the
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: market way too quickly. And they haven't had sufficient research
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to know. And some big examples of that that we've
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: heard about in recent years are some of the weight
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: loss medications. FinFin was one that was heard about. Vioxx
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: was another. But in my book, I listed all the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: medications that were brought to the market too quickly. where
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: they didn't have adequate testing, and they found out, oh,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that caused fatal liver problems, or this medication interacted and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: caused a dangerous heart rhythm. So insufficient research, I would
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: call that as one of the causes of death due
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to medications. So it's much a bigger problem than most
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: people realize. Most people say, oh, that never happens. Well,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: there's so many ways that medications can kill, from a
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: mistake that's made either by the doctor, the patient, the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical industry, the packaging of the medicine. A drug interacting
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: with another drug that we're not aware of, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: hurting the unborn, these pill parties and the abuse and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the potential for addiction to these medications, it is a
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: major problem, Charles.
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  Speaker 1: The only reason, and I want to make sure that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the listeners understand this, the only reason that someone like Dr.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Markham would say this, would write this book, Medicines That Kill,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: would is because there is another way. There is healing
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: out there where you can change your chemistry, as he says,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and change your lifestyle. It may be diet, exercise. It
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: may be where you live, what you breathe, and how
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you feel about things and how you react to things.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: There are ways of changing it without taking the medicine.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: So the only reason he would say this, the only
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: reason to write this book, is because there is an alternative.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: He would not ever, ever say, don't take your medicines,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: if there was nothing else you could do. Am I right, Dr. Markoff?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely. And this is an awareness. If this can
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: help save one person's life or get one person off
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a medication, or perhaps a female's thinking about getting pregnant,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and this can get her off medications that might hurt
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: her fetus that's even unborn, this is something that will
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: help quite a bit.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So we're really talking about good news here today. We're
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: not talking about bad news. Please don't think we're the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: angel of death here saying medicines are bad. We're saying
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: medicines are bad, but... But there is an alternative, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that's good news.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And what I really want to talk is
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: just let people know that it is a problem, just
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: like heart disease is a problem, just like cancer is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a problem. In fact, in 2003, Gary Knoll wrote an
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: article called By Death, By Medicine. And this was several
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: years ago. Now we're up to near 4 billion prescriptions
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: written a year. He estimates 106,000 deaths from in-hospital adverse
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: reactions 98,000 from medical errors, 199,000 from outpatient drug reactions.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: That's yearly. And another, Dr. Lucian Leap in 1997 said,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you know, he says, the medical and drug error rate
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of 3 million. That means 3 million total errors for
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the prescriptions written, multiplied by the fatality rate of 14%,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: gives an annual death rate just from errors of 420,000.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Now, if we add the 3 billion plus prescriptions, that
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: dramatically increases the errors just from the error rate, human
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: error that could accomplish. So really, we wanted to let
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: people know that medications are dangerous. They are needed, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: we have to know the proper place to use these.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And your doctor should be informed about this too. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: we are so glad that we have Dr. James Markham
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and the entire HeartWise Ministries team here to provide that information. Also,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the new book, Medicines That Kill, The Truth About the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Hidden Epidemic by Dr. Markham, is now available at places
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: where you buy fine books, and also, of course, on Amazon.com.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Markham, I'm always thrilled to talk to you on this
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: program and to share with our listeners the good news
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that we have, that there is life beyond medicine, there
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: is life beyond illness, and that life can stretch into eternity.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: What good news is that?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: That is great news. And we're going to continue this
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: discussion in other programs. You know, we laid out the problem,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: but now we're going to start eventually in the next program,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: start talking about the solution. And all of our programs,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: hopefully it's a solution, the way we can find better health,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: especially in that relationship with our God. I want to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: thank everyone today for joining us at HeartWise. Stay with us.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Send your questions to our website, heartwiseministries.org.
• 23:59
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• 24:02
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• 24:06
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• 24:12
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• 24:16
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