Latest / The Catholic Current / Fulton Sheen: Old Errors, New Labels (Fr. Robert McTeigue, S.J.) 5/22/26
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- 0:00This is The Catholic Current, with Fr. Robert Mottaig.
- 0:04I will say this, it sounds like an enormous cataclysm, and I suppose in one sense it is,
- 0:09but in another sense, being converted is not that bad.
- 0:12It's kind of fun as a matter of fact.
- 0:15I'll give testimony to that.
- 0:17Really the nature of our faith is that all of us have to be converted every day.
- 0:22Every morning you get up and you become the convert again.
- 0:25Well you know the great Renaissance Saint Philip Neri, he started every morning with
- 0:29the Lord, watch out for Philip, he may betray you today.
- 0:32Praised be Jesus Christ, this is Fr. Robert Mottaig of The Society of Jesus, your daily
- 0:37host for The Catholic Current, where we bring Christ to the world and the world to Christ.
- 0:41You're listening to us from the station of La Crosse Studios, your local radio station,
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- 0:50As always, let's start with prayer.
- 0:52Name the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
- 0:55Almighty God, through the intercession of Saint Ignatius the Elder, we ask that you
- 0:57pour forth your Holy Spirit upon us, a spirit of discernment that might hear your voice
- 1:02and obey your command.
- 1:03In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen.
- 1:06Hey friends, as promised, we're going to do an occasional series on Fulton Sheen in anticipation
- 1:11of his beatification later this year.
- 1:15So many people know him, rightly so, through his television appearances, his preaching,
- 1:21his really pioneering work on radio.
- 1:24A little something about television, this is, you know, back in the days of black and
- 1:28white.
- 1:29There was a time in the 1950s where he had the most popular television show on television.
- 1:37He was, he was the bomb.
- 1:39He was, he was it.
- 1:42Things have changed since then.
- 1:44And when I taught rhetoric and homiletics, I would show my students videos of Fulton
- 1:49Sheen and say, this is the gold standard.
- 1:53This is God just showing off.
- 1:55I mean, he had the look, he had the delivery, he had the content.
- 1:59He was the complete package.
- 2:01But I don't think we really appreciate his writing.
- 2:05He wrote, I lost track, at least 60 books, maybe 64, so we could do Fulton Sheen books
- 2:12for a good long time.
- 2:13I want to focus on one called Old Errors and New Labels.
- 2:17Why that one?
- 2:18Well, first of all, because it was written originally in 1931.
- 2:26That's a long time ago, that was 95 years ago.
- 2:32And what is he talking about with Old Errors and New Labels?
- 2:36He talks about how some heresies, some errors, just keep coming back.
- 2:46They might have different names, they might wear a different mask, but at the root, they
- 2:52are the same.
- 2:54For example, relativism isn't new.
- 2:58That's as old as the hills that they say.
- 3:01The divinization of science, or what we call now the science, and people who know that
- 3:07science is a tool and not a divinity would call that distortion scientism.
- 3:13The recognition that freedom without truth becomes self-destructive, and we, oh my goodness,
- 3:19we see that every day now.
- 3:21Those things aren't really, really new.
- 3:25And you say, but gosh, Father, how can it be that he was calling shenanigans on this
- 3:31stuff all the way back in 1931?
- 3:36Because 1931 was before.
- 3:41It was before synodality, which causes people so much heartache and confusion.
- 3:50It was before the SSPX was even a gleam in the eye of Archbishop Lefebvre.
- 3:58It was before Humanae Vitae.
- 4:00It was before the Land O'Lakes Conference in 1967.
- 4:05It was even before that than which there is no witcher, the Second Vatican Council
- 4:11in 1962 to 1965.
- 4:13It was before the spirit of Vatican II.
- 4:16It was before the new evangelization.
- 4:20It was before so many things.
- 4:24And yet, here is young Fulton Sheen, brilliant, prayerful cleric and scholar, saying, here
- 4:34we go again.
- 4:36So I want to first set some context.
- 4:40And if you forgive me, I'm going to read some from my own book called Christendom Lost and
- 4:46Found, Meditations for a Post-Post-Christian Era, because I think Sheen's analysis will
- 4:55be more penetrating if we realize that we've been fighting a lot of the same battles for
- 5:01a really long time.
- 5:04So I talk about that there are various competing narratives of our own time.
- 5:09So I write this.
- 5:10The first narrative runs like this.
- 5:12From the time of Pentecost until 1965, everything in the church was fine until one day an evil
- 5:20genius flipped a switch and then everything was corrupted overnight.
- 5:25Our only hope is to find that switch and flip it back as can be seen by those with the eyes
- 5:31to see.
- 5:32So the idea that everything was fine until you know what happened in 1965, that's not
- 5:38true because Fulton Sheen was writing about a lot of these same problems in 1931.
- 5:46Let's take a look at a second narrative.
- 5:48Runs like this.
- 5:50Starting from Pentecost until Emperor Constantine's Edict of Milan in 313, which by the way allowed
- 5:58the church to come out from one of the catacombs.
- 6:00So until the giving of the Holy Spirit, until the church came out of the catacombs, all
- 6:06was well with the church.
- 6:08After Constantine's conversion and the advent of Christendom, all was in darkness until
- 6:141965.
- 6:15Because you know, Pentecost was great because you know, Jesus.
- 6:19But then Christendom intervened, boo hiss.
- 6:23And all was in darkness until 1965 when the Holy Spirit flicked a switch and we've all
- 6:29been living happily ever after, as can be seen with those who have eyes to see.
- 6:35So in other words, the church began in the time of Christ either emerging from his pure
- 6:41side on Calvary or with the giving of the Holy Spirit.
- 6:45Some people go back and forth about that.
- 6:48But then the church was buried alive until 1965 when the Holy Spirit gave birth to the
- 6:55church again.
- 6:57Here's a third narrative.
- 6:58It goes like this.
- 6:59The history of the church is long, complex, and nuanced.
- 7:03Saints and sinners have always been at work in the church.
- 7:05There was never a golden age in the church until the Holy Spirit offered us one in 1962
- 7:12to 1965.
- 7:14But that golden age was nearly strangled in the cradle by misunderstanders of Vatican
- 7:20II and its spirit.
- 7:22The golden age arrived in 1978 and continued throughout the pontificate of John Paul II.
- 7:29Since that time, we have been basking in the glow of the new evangelization, as can be
- 7:35seen by those with the eyes to see.
- 7:38So 1962, 1965, Vatican II really, really was best council ever.
- 7:46And then, then, the misunderstanders of the Second Vatican Council, those who claimed
- 7:58the spirit of Vatican II, misapplied all the aggiornamento, all the updating, etc.
- 8:09But now, since the arrival of John Paul in 1978, we have not the spirit of Vatican II,
- 8:18but the really, really, real Vatican II.
- 8:24Well, and that leads me to a fourth narrative that runs like this.
- 8:28Everything about the second narrative is true, that we had a rebirth with the best council
- 8:33ever.
- 8:34But that good work of the Holy Spirit, Vatican II, was crushed in 1978 to 2005, known as
- 8:43the time of the Cracovian captivity, or the pontificate of John Paul II.
- 8:49And then, from 2005 to 2013, the interregnum of the hermeneutic of continuity with Pope
- 8:55Benedict XVI, the really, really, real Vatican II has been gifted to us.
- 9:03And since 2013, the Holy Spirit is in charge again, and we are now progressing from glory
- 9:09to glory, as in fact we are, as can be seen with those with eyes to see.
- 9:14So that's what I wrote in 2022.
- 9:16And then we have to add a chapter, the era of synodality begun under Francis, continuing
- 9:22apparently under Leo XIV.
- 9:25And now, with synodality, we have the authentic heirs and interpreters of the Second Vatican
- 9:32Council.
- 9:33And remember, the documents of Vatican II, according to Cardinal Fernandez, cannot be
- 9:37corrected.
- 9:39And now, the full flower, the greatest fruit, the inevitable outcome of the Second Vatican
- 9:46Council is synodality.
- 9:49So if the Church was born at Pentecost, and born again at Vatican II, it will be born
- 9:57a third time with the advent of synodality.
- 10:02And mark your calendars, because we're having the ecclesial assembly in 2028, which will
- 10:09be even more, even more synodal than the synod on synodality.
- 10:17Look at, it's going to be amazing.
- 10:20And then, Fulton Sheen clears his throat and is waving back at us all the way back
- 10:27from 1931 and said, no, not so fast.
- 10:33We've been here before.
- 10:37And Fulton Sheen wants to call shenanigans on all of it.
- 10:42And I believe firmly that we need to start rereading Fulton Sheen in anticipation of
- 10:49his beatification.
- 10:51And we're going to look at Vatican II and the aftermath, and now synodality, in a very
- 10:57different light.
- 10:58I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTague, your host for today here at the Catholic Current.
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- 13:25Here we are, Friday, let's talk about this.
- 13:27I'm talking about Fulton Sheen's book called Old Errors and New Labels, published in 1931.
- 13:36Why am I focusing on this?
- 13:38And it's not just because I think we need to get ready with appreciation for his forthcoming
- 13:42beatification, because I think this book has something to teach us in the here and now.
- 13:50Stupidity doesn't come out of nowhere.
- 13:53Error and heresy don't come out of nowhere.
- 13:57There are roots to them, there are fathers and mothers of errors and heresies and stupidities
- 14:02and nonsense and so on.
- 14:05And there's plenty of blame to go around.
- 14:06So I said in the last segment that there's a view of church history that the world and
- 14:12the church began on or about 1965.
- 14:18And what does a book from 1931 have to do with that?
- 14:21And I say, no, no, no.
- 14:23Old errors and new labels.
- 14:25And what we're seeing now is modernism changing masks, changing costumes.
- 14:34Now we know that Pope St. Pius X, who was the first pope to be canonized in about 400
- 14:41years, until we had a kind of industry of canonizing popes in recent years, how blessed
- 14:46we are, Pius X said, modernism is the synthesis of all heresy.
- 14:55So let's talk a little bit about modernism and modernity.
- 15:00And by modernity I don't mean things like indoor plumbing and antibiotics and electric
- 15:05lights.
- 15:06I like all of those things.
- 15:08When I was an undergrad and I had a course on the introduction to modern philosophy,
- 15:12it was a historical survey, and my professor at the time who directed my philosophy master's
- 15:19thesis asked the question, what is modern about modern philosophy, which is a brilliant
- 15:26question.
- 15:27And here's my answer.
- 15:28Well, here are the hallmarks of modern thought.
- 15:31What I call a progressive evacuation of the personal from both God and man.
- 15:39So rather than theism, God is personal, he is creator, he is provident, he is involved
- 15:49in his creation, not only through revelation, but through natural law.
- 15:55We go from that to deism, you know, God is the impersonal great monad in the sky, the
- 16:01blind watchmaker who put it together and then let it go to, nah, there's nothing supernatural
- 16:07at all.
- 16:08And likewise, the evacuation of the personal from man, we go from man as made in the image
- 16:16and likeness of God, and that is his glory and his boast and his claim, to we're just
- 16:24descendants of apes with imposable thumbs and big cerebral cortexes, we're just bags
- 16:29of nerve endings and appetites waiting to be tickled and fed.
- 16:32And rather than history going somewhere under a providential guidance, we're just on a rock
- 16:39hurtling through empty space, we're just an episode between two oblivions.
- 16:45And so how you view human life and divine life and history, et cetera, et cetera, it
- 16:50looks really different depending upon whether or not you're a modernist or not.
- 16:58Well, Father, what about postmodernism?
- 17:00Well, postmodernism, it's post in the sense that it is sequential, it came after modernism,
- 17:09but in some ways, and this is in Richard Lawler's book called Postmodernism Rightly Understood,
- 17:15it is hypermodernism, exaggerating the worst aspects of modernism.
- 17:23And I want to draw a link between the temptations of modernism and the different types of moral
- 17:30agency in Aristotle and the Nicomachean Ethics.
- 17:34Hey, do you think Father was ever a professor of philosophy?
- 17:36I don't know, sounds like it today.
- 17:38Let's listen and see if he really was.
- 17:40And I hope Mr. Engineer laughed when I said that.
- 17:42Aristotle said that the virtuous person does the right thing the right way for the right
- 17:47reasons as a matter of habit.
- 17:50And he can do that because there's a harmony between his passion and his reason.
- 17:55He rightly desires what is rightly desirable, chooses the right means to the right ends,
- 18:02and thereby achieves his ultimate destiny.
- 18:05But as you know, sometimes there's a conflict between reason and appetite, and sometimes
- 18:11we want things that are not good for us, or we want good things too much, and this is
- 18:18how we end up with gluttony and drunkenness and so on.
- 18:23And sometimes we have to say no to things we really want in the hopes that eventually
- 18:29we'll become disciplined and ultimately virtuous.
- 18:34And then there's a third type of moral agency called lacking self-control, or the unfortunate
- 18:40term incontinent.
- 18:42So this is the guy who knows that one drink is his limit.
- 18:49And he says, you know what, I'm going to hate myself in the morning, let me have another
- 18:53one.
- 18:54And then there is the vicious man, the man characterized by vice.
- 19:01And he's just out of control, he's all appetite.
- 19:05You know, he's got DUIs, he's driving on a suspended license, and he just takes his alimony
- 19:11money and his rent money and puts it on the bar and says keep them coming.
- 19:15But there's a subset of the vicious man called the crafty man, and the crafty man uses his
- 19:23reason as a servant of his passions.
- 19:28So as I tell my students, the vicious man wants to get drunk, the crafty man wants to
- 19:35get you drunk.
- 19:38And so postmodernism takes modernity's exaggerated dependence on reason and technology, but uses
- 19:51it as a servant of his completely out-of-control passions.
- 19:57So now we decide that God's put us in the wrong body, we've got to stip stuff off, or
- 20:04God has put us in the wrong species, so let's put on costumes, and God put unfortunate limits
- 20:11on us, so let's put that chip on our brain, etc., etc.
- 20:15So where does modernism and postmodernism fit in with all this?
- 20:19So the synthesis of all heresies, says Pius X, is modernism.
- 20:24It really is a dishonoring of God and man.
- 20:30And postmodernity says, let me help you with that, hold my beer, I'm going to run with
- 20:35it even more.
- 20:37I'm going to ask Mr. Engineer to add to our show notes the essay I wrote called The Brief
- 20:42History of Our Annihilation.
- 20:45Now here comes Fulton Sheen.
- 20:48Now, he's 30-some years before the Second Vatican Council, and he's 30-some years after
- 21:00Pius X saying modernity is the synthesis of all heresies, and he says, you know, everything
- 21:09that we are suffering from now has been done before with different masks and labels.
- 21:17And this is why he warns us.
- 21:20He says the church knows, too, that to marry the present age and its spirit is to become
- 21:26a widow in the next.
- 21:27The church has been around for a really, really long time, and there are people with really
- 21:32great ideas and breakthroughs and discoveries, and they all just kind of go in and out of
- 21:39fashion.
- 21:40And what I fear very greatly is that where we are now is in a time of critical theory,
- 21:51in a time of globalism, in a time where people think that we should be just a chaplaincy
- 21:57to the UN, we should be an NGO with a steeple, and we can make people like us because we're
- 22:08going to conform to what the world wants.
- 22:14And what does the world want?
- 22:16Really, really, really, I think what the world wants is life without the Sixth Commandment.
- 22:27That's its greatest good.
- 22:29That's its holy grail.
- 22:32They want to have sex without accountability.
- 22:36They want to have sex without consequence.
- 22:42So we're going to rewrite the rulebook under the inspiration of the spirit through the
- 22:49process of discernment and synodal listening.
- 22:53See how this is going?
- 22:54See where I'm going with this?
- 22:57We see this study group number nine just released its report a little while ago on emerging
- 23:05issues for synodal discernment, et cetera, et cetera.
- 23:09It's like, look, we found our way of talking into and out of pretty much everything.
- 23:17And if you use the right word fog, you'll see that we can kind of put some filters and
- 23:24gauze and some cut and paste into sacred scripture, into the deposit of faith, into natural law,
- 23:36and then presto chango, we haven't really, really, really changed the doctrine, you see,
- 23:43because some people might think that'll be bad.
- 23:45But we've discovered this new attitude, this new nuance, and all of a sudden things that
- 23:52were really obvious about sexuality and marriage are not so obvious.
- 23:59And we're not going to let something like, you know, biology get in the way of what we
- 24:06really, really, really want, because as we know in the cult of self-esteem and the divinization
- 24:12of the fields, if you really, really, really want something, then of course you have a
- 24:18right to it.
- 24:19And we begin to ignore certain fundamental aspects of biology, among them men are men,
- 24:26try to follow me here, men are men, women are women, men and women are made for each
- 24:32other, and when men and women get together, you have, you know, the next generation.
- 24:40You have families.
- 24:43You have what the church has always taught is the basic building block of human society,
- 24:49upon which you build culture and civilization.
- 24:54And without that, you know, to borrow a phrase from the poet, welcome to the jungle.
- 25:00And I think Fulton Sheen would be waving a big red flag all the way back from 1931 and
- 25:08say, guys, we have to have a very serious conversation about synodality, because it
- 25:17looks like we're heading off the cliff.
- 25:21And I happen to agree with Fulton Sheen, which we'll talk more about in the next segment.
- 25:26I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTague, your host here at The Catholic Current.
- 25:29You want to stay with us for the rest of the hour, because we're still continuing Let's
- 25:33Talk About This.
- 25:34We're talking about Fulton Sheen, Old Errors, and New Labels.
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- 27:25We are talking about Fulton Sheen old errors and new labels based on a book by the same
- 27:31name going all the way back to 1931.
- 27:36The new labels, what we would call modernism in his time, what we would call post-modernity
- 27:44and synodality as popularly presented, he says that this is just kind of a pagan revival.
- 27:55But before I get to that, I want to bring up here, this is one of my favorite quotes
- 28:01from this book, because he warns us that people will try to get us to stop thinking.
- 28:09So if you have a concern, you're a conspiracy theorist, or you're a heretic, or you're a
- 28:17schismatic, or you're anti-something or pro-something else that we don't like, so shut up, he explained.
- 28:25He calls these ways of stopping people from thinking, he calls them thought-saving devices.
- 28:32He says this, thought-saving devices have been invented that rival labor-saving devices
- 28:38in their ingenuity.
- 28:41Fine-sounding phrases like, life is bigger than logic, or progress is the spirit of the
- 28:47age, go rattling by us like express trains, carrying the burden of those who are too lazy
- 28:54to think for themselves.
- 28:57And one of the things that Catholics need to do is they need to learn to think for themselves,
- 29:03and they need to learn to think as Catholics.
- 29:09And someone you know wrote a book about that, that you might find helpful, Real Philosophy
- 29:16for Real People, Tools for Truthful Living.
- 29:19And for the record, you buy the book, not a penny goes in my pocket, I'm not a shill
- 29:24here, but I've put together some tools that you're going to find valuable.
- 29:27So I'm going to be reading from the last chapter of his book, Old Errors and New Labels, and
- 29:34it's called Peter or Pan, and Pan is the pagan god.
- 29:39And I'm just going to read and comment and run out the clock this way.
- 29:43Fulton Sheen says this, the story of the development of new paganism is the story of the prodigal
- 29:50son.
- 29:51The younger son in the parable is Western civilization, who in the 16th century goes
- 29:57to the spiritual father of Christendom and asks for a share of the substance garnered
- 30:03through the centuries.
- 30:05The spiritual father gives Western civilization a share of that capital in the shape of the
- 30:11necessity of a church, the divinity of Christ, inspiration of sacred scriptures, the existence
- 30:17of God, and the necessity of religion.
- 30:20So what he's talking about is Martin Luther, troublemaker, who put a lot of dominoes in
- 30:27play with the so-called Reformation.
- 30:32And he's going to claim that the Protestant Reformation really led to modernism, and modernism
- 30:41and later post-modernism have been parasitic upon Christendom.
- 30:47He continues, in the 16th century, it spent its belief in the church, in the 17th century,
- 30:55it spent the inspiration of scripture, in the 18th century, the divinity of Christ,
- 31:01in the 19th, the existence of God, and in the 20th, the necessity of religion.
- 31:08I've said something similar in my essay in Crisis Magazine called, The Brief History
- 31:14of Our Annihilation, where we just kept rejecting and rejecting and rejecting fundamental elements
- 31:22of Christendom and what's left.
- 31:26He says, at the present day, and mind you, he's writing in 1931, at the present day,
- 31:33the capital is all gone, and now it is feeding on husks under the names of New Thought and
- 31:40Progress.
- 31:42What if we called, rather than New Thought and Progress, we talked about the spirit of
- 31:48Vatican II, and at least an exaggerated sense of synodality, what then?
- 31:56Well Sheen continues, it was not so long ago that the father of Christendom could depend
- 32:02upon those sects, S-E-C-T-S, that called themselves Christian, to help defend the great fundamental
- 32:10truths of Christianity, such as the divinity of Christ, and the necessity of the salvation
- 32:16of the individual soul.
- 32:18Because let's not forget, at the time that he was writing, all Christian communities,
- 32:25Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, rejected artificial contraception.
- 32:33And what Luther and Calvin, and those like them, said about contraception, hoo boy, he
- 32:40goes, that day is past, many of the best known preachers are today teaching nothing but a
- 32:48glorified humanism, and there are but a few who would dare to speak of divine justice
- 32:54or retribution.
- 32:55So says Fulton Sheen, and as I read his warnings about a glorified humanism, and you'll be
- 33:02listening to this, it says here on May 22nd, which is after May 15th, and as I record this
- 33:11it is before May 15th, 2026, and what happens on May 15th, 2026, Pope Leo will release his
- 33:20first encyclical with the title of, translated from the Latin, Magnificent Humanity.
- 33:29I would imagine, I hope, that what Pope Leo will be talking about in that document is
- 33:36different, very different, from what Fulton Sheen calls glorified humanism.
- 33:43Let's continue with Sheen, he writes, we are therefore practically forced to carry on the
- 33:49battle for Christian truth alone, and this is something new in the history of Christianity.
- 33:56Pow!
- 33:57Pow!
- 33:58Pow!
- 33:59Pow!
- 34:00Pow!
- 34:01He said there was a time when on basic moral issues, Christian communities of every stripe
- 34:04stood side by side.
- 34:07That is no longer the case, so I'm morally certain that Mrs. Meleli, recently visitor
- 34:16to Rome, I won't say pilgrim, visitor to Rome, having recently occupied the cathedra in Canterbury
- 34:24Cathedral, she's not going to help us regarding abortion, euthanasia, same-sex attraction,
- 34:35the defense of marriage, she's not going to help us with contraception, is she?
- 34:42I don't think so.
- 34:44I don't think so.
- 34:46So are we going to turn to the orthodox to talk about the indissolubility of marriage?
- 34:54Look up for yourself what they say about the indissolubility of marriage.
- 35:01So what Fulton Sheen was saying in 1931 was that we're on our own.
- 35:10Now I know, I know, I know, the rallying cry is no synodality without ecumenism, no ecumenism
- 35:17without synodality, let's take that at face value.
- 35:21But the idea, the very idea that other Christians who are not Catholic are going to be our besties
- 35:31in fighting the new paganism given birth through modernism and post-modernism, that's, shall
- 35:40I say this delicately, that's fanciful.
- 35:45That is fanciful.
- 35:47I don't think so.
- 35:50So what do we do?
- 35:51Well, you know, Fatima, Fatima, Fatima, and when Our Lady appeared in Japan in Akita 50-some
- 36:00years ago, she basically said, look, I didn't go to Fatima as a tourist, there was nothing
- 36:05there.
- 36:06So penance, penance, penance.
- 36:08We have to become holy.
- 36:11We have to convert.
- 36:12We have to repent.
- 36:14We have to double down on what the church has always taught.
- 36:18We've got to become saints and teach our children to do the same.
- 36:24And for my brother priests who are listening, we need to up our game.
- 36:28We need to up our game because the walls have been breached and other Christians are not
- 36:37going to be much help.
- 36:39We are on our own.
- 36:41And he said this is something new in the history of Christianity.
- 36:44So let me read some more from Fulton Sheen.
- 36:46In our day, the religion of Christ is facing a crisis such as it has not faced probably
- 36:51since Constantine.
- 36:53By that, I mean that up to this time, the church has been engaged in a kind of civil
- 36:56war in which a Christian idea has battled with a misunderstanding of a Christian idea.
- 37:02None of the great heresies of the first 1600 years of the Christian era denied the existence
- 37:07of God, et cetera, et cetera.
- 37:09He says, but now we're faced with something novel.
- 37:12And he said, it's not just the civil war of Christians throwing stones at each other,
- 37:20but what Belloc called an invasion.
- 37:23And the invasion, he says, the new invading force, according to Sheen, is what he calls
- 37:29the new paganism.
- 37:31Friends, you just got to read this whole book.
- 37:36And so the new paganism, he says, really is a form of godlessness.
- 37:43So I'm just going to read to you from the last couple of paragraphs.
- 37:47Sheen says, if that condition of godlessness is ever to be averted, if paganism is ever
- 37:54to be thrust back, it can be met with only one force in the world.
- 37:59Now listen to this.
- 38:01Paganism is to be thrust back.
- 38:02It can be met with only one force in the world, and that is the church.
- 38:07And by that word, I mean, he says, the church, not churches.
- 38:15So singular, not plural.
- 38:17The church, singular, is the only thing in the world that knows anything about paganism.
- 38:24She was born not of paganism, but in paganism.
- 38:29He says, she saw it grow.
- 38:31She saw its gods dethroned.
- 38:34She saw its state worshiped.
- 38:36But she also saw it decline.
- 38:37And we know, and all history knows, that the only reason paganism declined was because
- 38:43of the civilizing and supernatural power of Christ and his church.
- 38:49The church assisted at the deathbed of paganism.
- 38:54The last god that was overthrown was cast to earth by a convert to Christ from paganism.
- 39:01Now is then, the church is the only force that knows it.
- 39:04And when the modern world calls it new, we remember it as something old.
- 39:10Sheen goes on, as the modern world looks upon it as something progressive, we, the church,
- 39:17look upon it as the degradation of barbarism.
- 39:22We know that if it must be crushed again, as it was crushed of old, by a surrender of
- 39:27our lives and our blood, we are willing to do it.
- 39:31We know that conflict will come.
- 39:34If it comes, we know not.
- 39:35We know nothing of the details, nothing of the alignment of forces.
- 39:39We know the kind of swords that will be unsheathed.
- 39:42But there is one thing that we know, and that is that in the struggle with the powers of
- 39:47darkness and the errors of paganism, and that warfare of Peter and Pan, if truth wins, we
- 39:55win, and truth can't lose.
- 40:00Friends, so says Fulton Sheen, friends, take heart, truth can't lose.
- 40:07Augustine said 1,600, 1,700 years ago, no barbarian can rob Christ.
- 40:17Christ is victorious.
- 40:19The decision for us is will we join him in his victory.
- 40:25Think on these things today, take them to prayer, and talk about it with those you love.
- 40:30I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTague, your host here every day, The Catholic Current, and
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- 42:23Well here we are friends, Week in Readiness, you and me reviewing the headlines of The
- 42:26Week in Light of the upcoming Sunday Scriptures, so be all prayed up for Sunday Mass.
- 42:31However, this is being pre-recorded well before you are listening to it, because I'm going
- 42:37to be on the road for almost two weeks.
- 42:40Please do pray for my safe travels, I don't like traveling, I'm really tired of some guy
- 42:45from TSA with a blue glove sticking his finger in my collar to see what I'm hiding in there,
- 42:51and it's just disruptive of my whole life, but it's for a good cause, so please do pray
- 42:56for me.
- 42:57So I can't talk about the headlines of the week because they haven't happened yet, and
- 43:01I want to save my gift of prophecy for when I really need it.
- 43:05So let's focus on the fact that the world is crazy, and Fulton Sheen was saying, this
- 43:11isn't good, it's the new paganism, we better watch out.
- 43:15And we didn't listen to him, and here we are.
- 43:19And my goodness, this coming Sunday will be the Feast of Pentecost, the Solemnity of Pentecost.
- 43:28Well what's that about?
- 43:31And what do you think of when you hear Pentecost?
- 43:36Well I think back to, I won't even mention the state where this happened, but I was traveling,
- 43:43and I found myself at a variation of St. Typical's on the Feast of Pentecost.
- 43:50And you know, the interaction between the priest and the congregation, and the liturgy
- 43:58adapted to maximize their participation so that we could be in a fully co-responsible
- 44:07church.
- 44:08The following dialogue took place.
- 44:12I boomed out from the preface, the Lord be with you!
- 44:17And the people of God and all of their census fidelium in having claimed their baptismal
- 44:25dignity responded thunderously.
- 44:31I continued this dialogue of deep calling unto deep, following with, lift up your hearts!
- 44:40And the people of God as one, exercising their baptismal priesthood, entered with a thunderously.
- 44:49And then I concluded with, let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
- 44:55And on the Feast of Pentecost, when the breath of God, when the life of God descended upon
- 45:01the assembly as tongues of fire, in anticipation of a fully synodal church, the baptized said
- 45:10this, thanks for an accurate liturgy, we couldn't have done this without you.
- 45:18And I said to myself at the time, this is why the Protestants don't take us seriously.
- 45:26This is why the Muslims are not afraid of us.
- 45:29And this is why when we tell our young people, the Eucharist is the source and summit of
- 45:34our lives, they don't believe us because we apparently don't believe it either.
- 45:40So on that Sunday, when we recall, presumably with gratitude, this whole building full of
- 45:47the baptized, who probably couldn't tell us, or better said, enumerate the gifts and
- 45:53fruits of the Holy Spirit and are distinguished between the two lists, if their lives depended
- 45:57on us, these people had nearly nothing to say.
- 46:04I don't know about you, but I see that as a problem.
- 46:10Remember, our Lord was very, very clear at the Last Supper, He said, look, you think
- 46:16you guys have been praying, but you've been praying before my crucifixion and resurrection.
- 46:21You're going to pray different afterwards.
- 46:25And you're going to pray really different after the Holy Spirit sets its seal on you.
- 46:31You're going to pray not merely as supplicants, certainly not as orphans, not as superstitious
- 46:38schemers like the pagans, but you're going to pray as sons and daughters and heirs of
- 46:44a great kingdom.
- 46:47So how are we doing with that?
- 46:50Saint John Chrysostom said that because of the Eucharist and the Holy Spirit, we leave
- 46:54mass going out into the world as lions breathing fire.
- 47:02So how are we doing with that?
- 47:04My perception is that the people of God, who at least what I've observed as Saint Typicals
- 47:12across the country, is that while they drag themselves to the Eucharist, which we're
- 47:20told is the source and summit of our lives, and now we understand because of vernacular
- 47:26and participation, and we're just going to continue on this glorious trajectory via synodality.
- 47:34It says so right here, not to mention Eucharistic revival is in the air.
- 47:38Remember that conversation from about three years ago?
- 47:41Yeah.
- 47:42So much winning.
- 47:44So much winning.
- 47:46Where do we go from here?
- 47:48Well, can we admit that we're in trouble, that we need help?
- 47:58By the way, if you're following the Novus Ordo calendar, the Pauline rite, we're looking
- 48:02at Lectionary 63, Pentecost Sunday Mass during the day.
- 48:07I'm reminded of a congregation I used to be part of when I lived in Washington, D.C.
- 48:12I lived on Capitol Hill back in the day in a basement apartment, and the congregation
- 48:17used to sing a song that said, if we ever needed the Holy Spirit, Lord, we sure do need
- 48:22it now.
- 48:23And I would just say, amen.
- 48:26We sure do need it now.
- 48:30We need a holy fire.
- 48:35We need the divine breath coming upon us as a strong wind driving our south.
- 48:43I think a lot of us are stagnant.
- 48:48We're adrift.
- 48:50We don't have a sense of direction.
- 48:53Some of us rightly perceive that we're heading towards the cliff and just don't know what
- 49:01to do about it.
- 49:04So let's do some homework.
- 49:07Let's find a good catechism and look up the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit and ask,
- 49:14did I see any of that in my life?
- 49:19And if the answer is not so much, then maybe, just maybe, we have some repenting to do.
- 49:28I think of my friend Father Zee, the original Catholic blogger going back to the 90s.
- 49:36He's always saying, go to confession, go to confession, go to confession.
- 49:41And I'm on 100% agreement.
- 49:43Friends, we need the Holy Spirit, because as Fulton Sheen made clear, we've got a work
- 49:49to do.
- 49:50God is calling us to put ourselves in his hands so that he could use us as instruments
- 49:59to defeat the new paganism that's affecting the church and the world.
- 50:05Christ will not lose.
- 50:06The question is whether or not we'll have the good sense to allow him to bring us into
- 50:14his victory.
- 50:17And doing nothing, just coasting, that's really not a smart choice.
- 50:27And waiting around for a happy ending isn't a strategy.
- 50:30May God's holy name be praised now and forever.
- 50:33I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTigre, host of the Catholic Current.
- 50:37Please do pray for my safe travels in the coming days.
- 50:40And join us on Monday for another episode of the Catholic Current.
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