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Geoff Schwartz on Pat McAfee's beef with Utah, Utah's big win over Houston, 10 AM kickoff for the Holy War + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
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  Speaker 1: best inside of your Utes. Let's get back to OC
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  Speaker 1: from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our number.
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  Speaker 2: Three on a Tuesday edition of the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 2: and welcome in Jeff Schwartz, longtime NFL veteran. college football
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  Speaker 2: stud at the University of Oregon, friend of the program,
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  Speaker 2: my friend, former co-host of mine on Pac-12 Radio, betting expert,
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  Speaker 2: all things, and coach of the Thunderbats, who've had a
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  Speaker 2: very successful season, if that matters to you.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, welcome back to the show. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: It should matter to everybody. Did you know McAfee is
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  Speaker 4: this soft? Is that something that you knew beforehand or
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  Speaker 4: just something you learned the last couple of days?
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  Speaker 3: So, okay. You get to say what you want to say.
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  Speaker 2: We have to be a little more careful about our
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  Speaker 2: messaging surrounding the university's apology letter to Pat McAfee. He's
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  Speaker 2: been sensitive about people poking fun at him in the past.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think he would be sensitive about three 19-year-olds
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  Speaker 2: making fun of him. Not even really making fun of him,
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  Speaker 2: just kind of talking about him.
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  Speaker 4: They asked them to do an impression of McAfee. One
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  Speaker 4: person said, he's going to say something corny. Like, and
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  Speaker 4: then I think he said the exact same, the exact
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  Speaker 4: thing that they said he was going to, he was
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  Speaker 4: going to say that was it. And supposedly he's upset
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  Speaker 4: because the Utah was the one who put the video out. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: so like what, why? It feels like there are people
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  Speaker 4: in life that go about wanting to be offended about stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And they, It feels like in this instance, he wants
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  Speaker 4: to be offended by something Utah did.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, as he was doing the show itself,
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  Speaker 2: I was watching College Game Day. Of course, it's at
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  Speaker 2: President's Circle, like five minutes from my house. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's always great to see them there. The girl who
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  Speaker 2: did the kick was awful. The whole thing was embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bad look for her to be like, only
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  Speaker 2: a million dollars. But I thought what we were getting...
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  Speaker 2: Cause Pat is like, I mean, he literally does WWE stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I thought what we were getting is kind of a
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  Speaker 2: deliberate heel turn where Pat was going to play up
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  Speaker 2: that he's the BYU guy. Now, Ryan Smith, BYU alum
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  Speaker 2: owner of the jazz and the mammoth. He's like Pat's
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  Speaker 2: close friend. I thought he was playing up that, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the BYU guy and I don't like these Utah kids.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that's what was going on. I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was being like, you know, kind of a tongue in cheek.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a little bit of fun with this. And then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like a manufactured fake beef, which I love
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  Speaker 2: because I'm like, okay, cool. College game day is going
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  Speaker 2: to have a relationship with Utah that everyone can lean
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  Speaker 2: into and have fun with. And then he went on
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  Speaker 2: a show and was like, I felt threatened and all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: But I still was like, okay, let's make this a beef.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make it a thing. And unfortunately, I was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The university doesn't feel like they can do that.
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  Speaker 3: They need to.
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  Speaker 2: To bend the knee to ESPN and to Pat by
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  Speaker 2: extension and all that stuff in order to, to maintain
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  Speaker 2: a copacetic relationship there. I was hopeful that this was
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  Speaker 2: going to be kind of like a theatrical feud. And
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't, it was, it was him being genuinely bothered.
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  Speaker 4: I just think that you have to have, if you're
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  Speaker 4: in a personality, you have to be able to pick
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  Speaker 4: your battles, right? And, There are certain times when you
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  Speaker 4: should legitimately, you know, stand up for yourself and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in that. This is not one of them. Like, this
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  Speaker 4: is not the time to pick your battles. Or it's
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  Speaker 4: not time to pick this battle. And I know people
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  Speaker 4: have sent me a tweet that someone tweeted in September that, like,
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  Speaker 4: they hope, you know, Pat McAfee gets Charlie Kirk, which
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  Speaker 4: is absolutely terrible, right? Terrible thing to wish on anybody.
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  Speaker 4: but it's also not a university of Utah thing. Like
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  Speaker 4: that's not a, that's not, that's not that. What does
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  Speaker 4: that do Utah and put a Utah in that same
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  Speaker 4: conversation to me felt like really wrong. And I thought
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  Speaker 4: that part was even extra, right? Like, okay, be upset
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  Speaker 4: that they put the video out, whatevs, but like evoking that,
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  Speaker 4: that assassination and putting it in somehow like attaching that
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  Speaker 4: to Utah felt like really uncalled for. And like, Again,
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  Speaker 4: mean things are said about us on the internet all
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  Speaker 4: the time. I get one message probably a month, something
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  Speaker 4: about being Jewish in my DMs. I just delete it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't call the police. I feel threatened. It's a
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  Speaker 4: random people on the internet, man. What are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: For someone on the internet as much as he obviously is,
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  Speaker 4: I just felt like he handled it really poorly, man.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any validity to my theory that part of
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  Speaker 2: his thin-skinned nature is because he was a punter? And
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  Speaker 2: even if you make it to the highest, highest level
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  Speaker 2: as a punter or as a kicker, right? Everyone just
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  Speaker 2: like automatically respects NFL players because there's this public acknowledgement
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  Speaker 2: that in order to make a living in football, you
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  Speaker 2: have to be some freak of nature human being. But
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  Speaker 2: we don't apply that to the kickers and the punters
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  Speaker 2: and they don't get that kind of respect.
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  Speaker 3: And I imagine I would be sensitive about that.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe. Maybe. But I think that over time, that should
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  Speaker 4: wane because of the success you've had outside of football, right?
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, agreed.
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  Speaker 4: Like, there are times when I think I've been sensitive
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  Speaker 4: or embarrassed about things, and then I'm like, well, who cares?
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  Speaker 4: Why do I care what people think? I am who
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  Speaker 4: I am. Like, what is it? Why do I care
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  Speaker 4: what people think about me? Like, you get to a
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  Speaker 4: point where it's just like, who cares what random people
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  Speaker 4: on the internet say to you? And here's the thing
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  Speaker 4: about it, too, and this is what I tell all
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  Speaker 4: the time to people, like, no one acts like this
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  Speaker 4: in real life, right? And I imagine that people in
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  Speaker 4: real life are super nice to McAfee, like all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And to act like the internet, right? In whatever form
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  Speaker 4: it is, like represents the people that you see all
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  Speaker 4: the time to me, like is wrong. Cause that's not,
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  Speaker 4: I promise you, that's not the way people treat him
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  Speaker 4: in real life, Sean. They probably treat him like with
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  Speaker 4: the respect that he thinks he deserves and with the
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  Speaker 4: stardom that he has earned. And so the idea that like, that, that,
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  Speaker 4: you're treating the internet as real life to me is
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  Speaker 4: always the wrong way to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Again, I get zero things in real life that come
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  Speaker 4: anything close to what I hear or get told about
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  Speaker 4: on the internet from people that don't like me.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Most people in fact go, Hey man, can I have
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  Speaker 4: a selfie? And even people, even people will meet every
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  Speaker 4: now and then every now and then it was like, Matt,
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  Speaker 4: kind of just like, I don't really like you on
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  Speaker 4: the internet, but you seem cool. Can I get your autograph? Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like whatever, it's just not real life. And, and,
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  Speaker 4: and treating it as such, to me is for someone
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  Speaker 4: who's always online and is a public person who, who again,
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  Speaker 4: probably gets a lot of love in real life is
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  Speaker 4: an odd way to approach the internet, man.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing ends up being really odd.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, the, the analogy I made this morning
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  Speaker 2: was sometimes you get in an argument with your spouse
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  Speaker 2: and you know that you really didn't do anything wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but you apologize anyway, just to make the argument go away.
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  Speaker 4: So every argument with my spouse?
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  Speaker 3: It's better to be happy than to be right. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can.
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  Speaker 4: Only be one. Sometimes you want to be right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I always want to be right.
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  Speaker 2: And so, like, my immature standpoint on this is, no,
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  Speaker 2: die on this hill, fight this battle. But the university
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  Speaker 2: takes the path they took. They issue an apology. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see if anything comes of it ever. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it will, but.
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  Speaker 3: End of story. Let's talk about the Houston versus Utah game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I made sure to text you when we were discussing
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  Speaker 2: the blitz that created the fumble that salted the game
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  Speaker 2: away for the University of Utah. You know, we don't have,
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  Speaker 2: I still haven't seen the all 22 angle on it.
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  Speaker 2: I was sitting at the all 22 angle, but I
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  Speaker 2: didn't take my phone out and film. And I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that that offensive, that left side of
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  Speaker 2: the Houston offensive line can be right.
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  Speaker 3: In that situation.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why the blitz is designed the way
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  Speaker 2: it's designed, but I wanted to talk to someone who's
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  Speaker 2: a lot better at the advanced blocking concepts than I am.
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  Speaker 2: So I asked you and I'll let you explain for
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  Speaker 2: the listeners so that I'm not saying anything wrong, why
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  Speaker 2: that works so well for Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want all 22 of it? I can send
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  Speaker 4: it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so, okay.
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  Speaker 4: So basically what, what happened is that's like a will
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  Speaker 4: free safety pressure, right? So you're bringing two guys week, right?
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  Speaker 4: You're bringing the will linebacker essentially, um, or in this case,
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  Speaker 4: it might've been like Sam strong safety. Cause I think
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  Speaker 4: you were coming from the, the, the, the field, but
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  Speaker 4: beyond that point is that essentially Utah had ID, excuse me,
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  Speaker 4: Houston ID.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was from the front side. So basically it was
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  Speaker 4: like Sam strong safety is that they, they, the way
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  Speaker 4: Houston did it was they ID the five guys up
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  Speaker 4: on the line of scrimmage as their five guys, they're
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  Speaker 4: going to block right. The final of its alignment. And then,
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  Speaker 4: you already had a guy sort of on the right
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  Speaker 4: side that was off the ball. That should have been
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  Speaker 4: indicated to the quarterback that that guy was dropping in coverage.
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  Speaker 4: He's not really on the ball. And so those five
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  Speaker 4: guys to block, right? Five for five. And the running
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  Speaker 4: back has the first guy to come of the second
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  Speaker 4: level defenders. Well, you had two come in the second level, right?
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  Speaker 4: So he took the first one, which was the Mike
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  Speaker 4: or the Sam, however you want to ID it. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: it was Mike, Sam. I'm just using words here. So
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  Speaker 4: that left the safety essentially free and no one to
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  Speaker 4: block him. The way you would do this is you would,
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  Speaker 4: if you wanted to block it correctly, you would tell
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  Speaker 4: the line to slide to left because you would disregard
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  Speaker 4: the guy standing up over the right tackle who's very
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  Speaker 4: clearly going to drop. Now, that's obviously a hindsight, but
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  Speaker 4: you could pick it up. You have Utah rushes six
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  Speaker 4: and Houston has six blockers. Actually, rush five. They dropped
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  Speaker 4: two out. So they have enough blockers. You just have
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  Speaker 4: to ID this correctly for the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: So it's on Connor Wegman to either get the ball
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  Speaker 2: out before he's hit or to make sure the protection
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  Speaker 2: goes the right way.
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  Speaker 4: Correct. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: It was a thing of beauty, though, because.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't happen. It's a great pressure. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's tough in college to pick this up. And it
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  Speaker 4: made gamblers upset because you guys covered because of this.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you're worried about that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a moron, and I took the over in this game.
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  Speaker 4: So did I.
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  Speaker 2: Because it was the two highest scoring offenses in the
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  Speaker 2: Big 12 Conference going at one another.
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  Speaker 3: And it was, I think, what, 57, 57 and a half? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not why I did it, per se.
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  Speaker 4: Utah's red zone defense, Houston's red zone defense is atrocious.
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  Speaker 4: And I just figured that he has to move the ball.
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  Speaker 4: But it just didn't, points didn't happen. Didn't happen. That's
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  Speaker 4: what happens sometimes, you know, just didn't score.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the other favorite highlight from Utah's film
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  Speaker 2: in this game in the bull rush sack by number 90,
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  Speaker 2: Jai Moy, the short de-tackle?
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  Speaker 4: I did not see it. Should I look that up?
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  Speaker 2: You should look it up because there's a guy like
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  Speaker 2: your size who the Utah de-tackle doesn't actually touch the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He just bull rushes the guard back into the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: One of those.
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  Speaker 4: That's embarrassing, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, throws him, uses him as a weapon. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: of course that never happened to Jeff Schwartz.
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  Speaker 4: I did not get beat that way. I have been
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  Speaker 4: beat before, believe it or not. I know it's shocking
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  Speaker 4: to learn that, but it has happened in the past.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good win for you guys and your
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  Speaker 4: rival loss. I know people on the station do root
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  Speaker 4: for BYU as well, but that was a good weekend
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  Speaker 4: for Utah football. A buddy of my podcast, Bear Betts,
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  Speaker 4: last week got a lot of heat from BYU fans.
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  Speaker 4: He said that my power rankings, I don't have BYU
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  Speaker 4: in the top 10. I just don't. BYU fans, you
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  Speaker 4: can imagine, were not happy about that. And they killed him.
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  Speaker 4: And he had a Saturday night on the Internet that
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  Speaker 4: made me jealous. Just like AI graphics of BYU fans
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  Speaker 4: trash-talking him, and he put a gravestone out there. What
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  Speaker 4: a night for him.
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  Speaker 2: Just life on the Internet. So BYU loses to UCF.
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  Speaker 2: And the end-of-game scenario in that was as disgusting and
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  Speaker 2: weird and poorly officiated as anything I've seen.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a question?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to start talking.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, I'm tired of it. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm tired of the officiating errors that are procedural, right? Like, again,
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  Speaker 4: I tell this all the time. Like, you want a holding? Whatever, man.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to miss a holding. You're going to miss
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  Speaker 4: a passing interference. But we have enough technology and people
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  Speaker 4: with the know-how to and the rules experts to get
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  Speaker 4: it right. Right. Like you have stopped the game. Listen
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  Speaker 4: to the big, you know, the, the big 12, like
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  Speaker 4: in your earpiece and get it right, man.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Like just get it right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't understand Sean, get it right.
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  Speaker 2: And instead they do this like weird runoff thing. They
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  Speaker 2: end the game prematurely, which is the second time this
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  Speaker 2: has happened in a BYU game this year. And then
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  Speaker 2: it felt like the roughing the kicker penalty was a
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  Speaker 2: make-up call.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe in make-up calls, but
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  Speaker 4: I think that sometimes referees look for things to call,
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  Speaker 4: and it felt like they were looking to call that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that was so incidental, right? You basically got
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  Speaker 4: blown up. You blew it off with a tackle and
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  Speaker 4: rolled over him on the kicker. That did not feel
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  Speaker 4: like the spirit of what that rule is about. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sort of big into the idea of, like, there's the
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  Speaker 4: spirit behind the rule, right? Like the spirit behind that
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  Speaker 4: rule is not that penalty. Like that's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: The letter of the law is broken on every single
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  Speaker 2: play in football, right?
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Someone is being held on every play, but did the
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  Speaker 2: holding impede your motion toward the play?
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: And then you can call it right. That's the spirit
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  Speaker 3: of that rule.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And I just felt like that was not what that
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  Speaker 4: was about. But I think to the broader point, like
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  Speaker 4: I think BYU is good, not great. I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of teams are good, not great this year, by
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  Speaker 4: the way. Um, And we have seen this spot play
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  Speaker 4: out all season, Sean. They're not the first team to
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  Speaker 4: lose in this spot. You win a big home game,
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  Speaker 4: the next week you come out and lose on the road.
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  Speaker 4: It's happened probably 10 times so far this season. And
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  Speaker 4: it's a tough spot. It's a tough spot, man.
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  Speaker 2: So how does Utah avoid that same pitfall? Because they
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  Speaker 2: just got a big win at home against Houston. First
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  Speaker 2: ranked win, first real test of the season. College game
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  Speaker 2: day was here. Distraction and controversy that I don't think
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  Speaker 2: affects the team at all, honestly. But now you've got
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  Speaker 2: to go. And Cincinnati's also coming off their best win
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  Speaker 2: of the year and feeling confident. Their defense overall is
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  Speaker 2: pretty bad. But how does Utah avoid falling into the
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  Speaker 2: same trap that just caught BYU?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. Cincinnati's also coming off a big win.
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  Speaker 4: Then they beat Texas Tech. And so I think you
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  Speaker 4: feel pretty good about just, you know, they're in the
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  Speaker 4: same boat you guys are, right? They're obviously at home
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  Speaker 4: when you're not. But they're off a big win as well.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's valid to sort of, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: more film we're getting on Utah offense, the less points
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  Speaker 4: there are being scorched on. And I think I've got
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  Speaker 4: to evaluate why that is and how, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you get to a road game like this and you
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  Speaker 4: have a couple turnovers, your defense gives up a score
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  Speaker 4: here and there, like, is our offense able to ramp
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  Speaker 4: back up to what it was the first couple? This
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  Speaker 4: is sort of my concern at all times. I think
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  Speaker 4: I've told you, like, with a little bit of the
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  Speaker 4: gadget stuff, like, eventually teams figure that out. Because you've
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  Speaker 4: only won so many plays out of those gadget formations, right?
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  Speaker 4: And what do you have on offense when it's not
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: gadget time and when you can't do the two quarterbacks
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: and you can't do some fun, funky things because first
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: down hasn't been as good. So now you're in longer
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: distances and you have to figure out real offense at times.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: So I think it's worth sort of figuring out maybe
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: for Utah, like is the offense sort of stalled out
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: a little bit? How do they get some points in
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: this game? But to say I don't think it's very
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: good even though they beat Texas Tech.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: The last two games, they've gone away from the two-quarterback thing.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I think Bird Ficklin got one touch in the game
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: against Houston. So is that other teams have figured out
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: how to stop it or them just saying that's a
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: gimmick and you don't need to use it?
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I imagine it's probably a little bit of both. I
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: think that, again, there's always a place you can run
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: out of that, right, Sean? And you're basically deciding that
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: one player on offense doesn't matter. Like you're using up
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: an offensive position for a guy that can only do
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: a certain number of things at the snap. It eventually
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: becomes easy to defend, right? If I know you're only
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: going to do– if you're that player, right, you're either
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: going to run the ball on some sort of option-type play, right,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: or you're going to pass the ball going to your left.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: It feels like a pretty– if I'm a defense, if
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I know what you're doing, the two things you can
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: do it, probably bodes pretty well for my ability to
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: stop it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I guess i'm an idiot because i i view it
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the other way because i'm like okay he he can
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: take the snap and just play quarterback directly and i
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: guess then you're you're wasting devon for like because that
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: you're probably not going to throw it to him although
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: they have right you can have him be a receiver
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: they've done that with with bird ficklin after making it
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: look like he was going to play quarterback but i
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: think Maybe there's a decision that we have good enough receivers.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Let's not make this quarterback be a receiver.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: So I guess it does come down to just being
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: an option run nine times out of 10.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Correct. And I think, again, there's nothing wrong with, with
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: some of those plays, but that's why these never last
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: a whole season because you just teams, you can figure
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: it out, just get figured out. So, um, yeah, I
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: think Utah's, you know, learning to transition to something else
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: and we'll see what it looks like this week, but now, uh,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: sets up a, you know, pretty, pretty, uh, Comfortable place
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: for Utah to be a Big Ten champion, so a
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Big 12 champion, right? Obviously, you'll have an opportunity to
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: play in that game most likely if you beat BYU,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: or BYU loses another game here down the stretch. How
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: do you feel about the... When I saw the original
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: announcement for the Holy War, I thought it was 10 p.m. Eastern.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's 10 a.m. Mountain Time, noon Eastern.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: With game day or no game day?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Everyone thinks that game day is going to Notre Dame, Miami.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Right, so why are they playing your game so early then?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So here's where it gets difficult, all right? Now, let
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: me throw out the disclaimer. The school and the conference
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: do not get to make the decision. The networks make
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the decision by themselves. However, there's been angst expressed by
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the Big 12 Conference and by the University of Utah that, hey,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: this is five night games.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: The country's not watching us. And that's true.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Like the Houston-Utah game was a great game. It was
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a top 15 game. Nobody on the East Coast watched
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: it because it was at 1030. It kicked off at
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: 1030 Eastern, right? So both the conference and the university
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: have expressed like, hey, can we spread these things out
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit more? Can we not have every one
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of our games, especially the important ones, as these night games?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: And then the alternative window for the Holy War, which
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: will be a top 10 matchup, a rivalry game, top
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: 10 rivalry game, Never happened in the history of this
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: particular rivalry. The national window where everyone can watch that
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: is either the... five 30 Eastern kickoff time. And that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: where Notre Dame Miami is, or you can put it,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you can put it with, uh, in the morning. And
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: so they chose to put it in the morning and
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I'm torn on it because I guess you want it
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: from a conference perspective. You want Utah BYU to be
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: watched by Jeff Schwartz in North Carolina. But also, Jeff
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Schwartz in North Carolina doesn't have to care about this game.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: This game is ours, man. Maximize it for the locals.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: But we've been doing that for 30 years.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It feels like it's a lose-lose.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Because Jeff Schwartz in Carolina definitely did not stay awake
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: for the game Saturday night. Of course. But to be fair,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't step for Oregon and Nebraska either. So, look,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I didn't miss very much on that. Man, oh, buddy.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: That's not good, Eugene.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that here in a second. But 10 a.m.,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: mountain time kick.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: You wake up later than that most days. How are
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: you going to be able to get to the game?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Don't put that evil on me, all right? I have
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: young children. If I get to sleep in until 7 a.m.,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I heard someone, a buddy of my life told me
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: he took his kid to play travel ball in Tennessee,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and they woke up Monday. He's like, I just woke
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: up at 8.30. I go, 8.30? If I wake up
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: at 7.10... On a Sunday, I feel like I've slept
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: in half the day.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, it feels, you're just like, oh my gosh, I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: feel wonderful about this. And now that it's getting dark early,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it's just the worst because you wake up and it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: dark and you're like, oh man, why can't I sleep longer?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Has it started snowing yet?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Just on the top of the mountains.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, that sounds miserable.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Well, it's been nice here. We need the water, Jeff.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: You're on drought?
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had one of the driest winters on record
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: last week.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: You know what? This is not the program for my
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: discussion on how the climate's changed a lot in the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: last two years. We'll do that another time. Okay.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: The coaching carousel is spinning already, including at your alma mater.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Oregon is moving on, and they're going to hire a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator. Baylor has a head coaching vacancy. NC
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: State has a head coaching vacancy. Maryland.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Maryland.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Maryland, yeah, we're keeping a close eye, especially on the
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Baylor one because it's a conference opponent and likely candidates. Apparently,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley's name is in that conversation. I don't believe
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: that one. Maybe Dan Mullen from UNLV. Some of the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: usual suspects are being mentioned, but how big a domino
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: is Baylor to fall? Certainly not the biggest one we're
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: going to get this offseason, but it's a big job.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I heard Lincoln Riley's getting a lifetime contract from USC, though.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I heard that might work out for him, so I
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: hope he doesn't leave.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: USC.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: What if they got a good coach? What if they
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: got Jason Eck and they became physical again? Can you
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: imagine that?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: What if Kalani Satake takes the USC job?
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's leaving BYU now. Why would he leave?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: He had a chance to go last year and take
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: all these jobs. Do you really think he'd leave for USC?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think so because I think BYU figured
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: out the feud.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: He was beefing with the athletic director and they took
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that off his plate. And he's not the kind of
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: guy who's going to leave his alma mater in a place,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you know, he's a member of the faith, obviously. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it means a lot to him. I don't think he's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: going to leave to chase money. So I think that,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I think that USC would have to back up a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Brinks truck or BYU would have to screw up again.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And I don't think they're gonna.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: So I don't expect that to be a thing for USC.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: It's going to be an interesting cycle, man. There's not
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of big names that are, you think like
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: surefire head coaches, right? Like, The Indiana coordinators probably are
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: going to get a look, right, if they want, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: they don't have to. They don't have to go anywhere.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: You're going to mention Jason Eck from New Mexico probably
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: going somewhere. You have to think that maybe Charles Huff
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: of Memphis is going after one year at Memphis, going somewhere,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: a bigger job. There's not a lot of big time.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: There's some retreads. I think Brian Kelly might end up
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: going somewhere. There's some retread names, and there's a coordinator
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: or two we don't really see coming, but it doesn't
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: feel like a cycle right now that we have a
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: lot of known commodities for.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: If USC has a vacancy, will they call Bob Chesney?
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he'd take it, though.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Why would he take it? I mean, he's doing fine
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: at UCLA. I don't think he'll be at UCLA or
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: USC much longer, but I don't think he'll take the
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: USC job. USC's probably going to call Urban Meyer first.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I imagine he's going to say no. And then they're
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: going to try to find the biggest name they can
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: find next. We'll see.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: When the carousel gets spinning, it always intrigues me.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Shout out Dave Aranda.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He was awesome when he was a coordinator at Utah State.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Hope it works out for him. The Niners finally lost
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. Should I be worried?
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: No. It's so funny. The fans of teams after one
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: NFL 6-1, Chiefs are 5-1. It's over. The injury thing
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: is real, though, for the Niners. Shoot, you guys have
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: nobody healthy, man, but No, it's NFL, man. It's one weekend.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: How much are you watching this Brewers-Rays World Series?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Jeff, for people who don't know, Jeff is a big
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: baseball guy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I've watched a little bit. It's been during football. It
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: was on during Monday Night Football last night. I'll watch
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: more tonight because it's obviously a clutching game. I am
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: looking forward to watching the WNBA at 1230 on Thursday afternoon.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: We were just talking about that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Dude, I... I watch WNBA. I mean, I bet on it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: It certainly helps. But A, some of the games, like
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: last night's game was just atrocious. It was so poorly played.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: No one played, but whatever. It's just such poor leadership.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: The idea that they didn't have a plan at all
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: for this is just so telling, right? Like no foresight. Like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: you know, people point out to other teams who are NBA, yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: they're tenants of those arenas. Atlanta doesn't play in this arena.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: It's not their home arena. And they just had no idea.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: They didn't think one day ahead at a time, right, Sean?
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: That's it. They didn't have any thoughts and plans for this.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: And also, the other dumb thing about this thing is
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: that people are like, it'd be a good PR move
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: for the Hawks to give up their home game. No,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: it's not. Who cares? More Hawks tickets? Are they going
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: to sell more tickets because they gave up a home
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: game for the dream? It's their arena. It's their schedule.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Why should they change? Some of the takes on this
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: are just horrendously bad. The Hawks owe it to them
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: to move their game and move their schedule around and
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: cancel their game because the WNBA didn't prepare to have
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: a game six in a proper location.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It's wild. Before I let you go, Quentin Nelson gets
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: traded to the Seahawks.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: What do you think it is?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's an absolute monster.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Still playing at a very high level. Interesting trade. Seahawks,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: be aggressive, right? This little window they have right here.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Quinn Nelson will play left guard. I imagine Zabel might
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: move to center right guard, and they're just going for it. Look,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: the run game has struggled this year without Kenneth Walker,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: as we know, and they have some other injuries, right?
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Price is hurt, beat up, but Charbonnet's out. So I
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: think Quinn Nelson does two things, right? One, it makes
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: your team just tougher. He's just a tough SOB, right?
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: But also, too, I'd imagine it just allows your run
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: game to be a little bit better until those guys
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: get back. It was cheap. Third round pick next year,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: like in the fifth or something of the year after that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: For an all-pro player like this, obviously he's on a
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: contract year, so I'm not sure the trade signified they're
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: going to sign him to a long-term contract, but you
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: can sign him to a deal. Now you have a
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: left guard, an all-pro type player for a long time.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Alright, overtime again, as I usually am, so Got to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: let you go. Appreciate you giving us some time this week.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Take care, buddy.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Have a good week.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: That's Jeff Schwartz
• 27:51
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