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Episode 127: Celebrating Mark Hamill and the Universal Gem of a Human That He Is! · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's most things Kenobi, This is
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  the podcast you're looking for. Hi everyone, Welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne, and I'm
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  your host, Lauren. This week.
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  Oh, why did we do this sooner? It's all about Mark Hamill.
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  Yay. And I'm I'm like while going
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  through like his bio, I feel like we should have done it
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  sooner because now there's even more.
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  Right. The man does not stop, and we're
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  glad for it. I mean, he's our hero.
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  That's how we know him. That's how we found him.
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  That's how I found him. Me too.
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  I I of course like most people. My first introduction to Mark
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  Hamill was Star Wars, of course. But he's so much more than that.
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  He really isn't he. You you have the Batman and
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  Joker connection 'cause you're you're into all that.
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  So yeah, I have. I have facts.
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  Oh, I'm here for it. Lauren knows way more about the
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  gift that the universe has by the name of Mark Hamill.
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  So she's going to do more talking than me on this, on this
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  subject. But I mean, I know, I know,
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  Mark. What?
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  Like, pretty much what everyone knows and maybe a few factoids,
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  but you you're bringing the fact facts.
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  Well, I went down a rabbit hole. You remember when I got divorced
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  and I was living at my parents' house and I was just spending
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  every night watching like, ancient Mark Hamill stuff on
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  YouTube? Oh my God.
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  And you would send me screenshots that were very, very
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  raunchy. And I really liked all of that.
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  There's some shower scene. Yes, I know.
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  I just thought of that movie. It's a perfect Halloween movie
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  and I completely forgot until Halloween was over.
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  Black Magic Woman. Oh, that's the name of the
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  movie. I I only know that scene and the
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  gift that you sent me because I was losing my mind.
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  I'm like, this is not Luke Skywalker.
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  I was like, this is very surprising, Leanne.
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  It was something, I mean, I hate to, I hate to like say that it
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  feels weird because Luke's like all of our our.
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  A brother, he's like a brother and he's like the the all
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  American boy. It's so like, I think he tries
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  really hard to break that stereotype of.
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  Course, but that that GIF is is exactly the way to do it.
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  Girl, That movie. Oh, the whole movie.
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  See, I haven't watched the whole movie.
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  Whole movie. Yeah, there's witches.
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  He's cursed. He spends the whole movie cursed
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  and like it's crazy. First of all, my friends are
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  doing a disservice. I know they're out there
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  listening. My Halloween friends who haven't
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  told me about this. Or maybe they haven't.
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  I completely missed the point, but where are my Halloween boys
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  to tell me about this movie? I guess I got added to the list.
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  I forgot about it too, so it's, you know, it's obscure.
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  But Mark is not. He's he's a little obscure, but
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  he's. He's just a gem.
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  He is just like if you go back into his pre Star Wars stuff,
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  you can see what a good actor he is, right?
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  And then you get into Star Wars and he went into the George
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  Lucas school of acting. I was just going to say it's the
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  George Lucas effect. It takes a hold of everyone.
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  Yes. And like he, I even feel like he
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  really elevated some of that dialogue, because how do you
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  make that bullshit sound natural?
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  And especially in A New Hope, I really feel like he has a very
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  natural delivery and it sounds like a normal person talking.
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  Yeah, Mark Hamill auditioned officially like he, I think even
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  his roommate was auditioning or something like that.
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  Roommate too, it was, yeah. Yeah, 'cause he was on General
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  Hospital. Yes, he was on General Hospital.
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  He was. He was also on well.
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  He had appearances on many shows, yes.
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  I find this interesting because if you look at other actors and
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  actresses, they always have like roles on things like Law and
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  Order or the OR ER. Remember the show?
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  ER, yes, even Ewan McGregor was on ER.
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  Yeah, like everyone has had like a guest appearance on these long
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  winded television shows. Yes.
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  But then they all become something.
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  I can think of a handful of actors and actresses that have
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  shown up on shows like those and and then became something, you
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  know, absolutely he he so like pre Star Wars he was on.
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  He had a regular part on General Hospital.
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  He was on The Cosby Show, The Partridge Family, Owen Marshall,
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  counselor at Law, three times. I was thinking of the Partridge
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  family. That's what I was trying to
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  think of the name. Couldn't think of it.
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  And he's, he's adorable in it. He really is so cute.
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  He is. And like even The Cosby Show is,
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  he's adorable. Like it's ridiculous.
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  And he's probably like 22, but he looks like he's 15.
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  Yeah, yeah, he has that quintessential, like, youth
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  undertone. Yes, like.
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  Even now, his eyes sparkle. With like a youth Glee.
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  You know, I love people that hold on to that.
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  I know he's really goofy and I like that.
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  I think that's what keeps your spirit young.
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  He was also in the streets of San Francisco, which is where
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  Michael Douglas got his start. So damned.
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  I didn't know that. Yeah, and I definitely will
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  confess to watching Sarah T Portrait of a Teenage Alcoholic.
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  So funny. It's not supposed to be funny,
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  but it's so serious. It's hilarious.
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  What year did that come out? Like when?
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  That's a good question. Before 1975 S like between 70
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  and 75 somewhere. That makes it even more amazing.
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  Oh my God, Leanne, it is quite a movie.
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  And he was on this, I think it was like made for TV movie
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  called Delancey St. The Crisis Within.
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  And it's about like, I love your that's the.
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  Subtitle of my own biography. Oh my God.
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  Well, he plays like a disturbed teenager in it.
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  And he's really good. That's what, like, he's really
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  believable. He doesn't have gimmicks because
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  he's very, I think, sincere and vulnerable and that's what makes
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  him like a very good actor. And I think that's coming back
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  to him now when you see him in movies.
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  Now he's I think he's kind of like just he's not insecure.
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  He knows what he's about, he knows what he likes and he
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  doesn't have that like pressure of being Luke Skywalker like he
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  is that he's kind of, I think had to come to terms with it at
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  this point. And so you see him kind of
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  settling into roles in a way that's really genuine, like even
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  the what was the second one? It's the second prequel or
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  sequel. I can't remember the.
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  Name of it? The Last Jedi.
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  Yeah, I've only watched it twice.
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  So I can't remember subtitle The Crisis Within.
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  I mean, carry on. What were you saying?
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  Just like his performance in it is really beautiful.
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  It's less affected, you know, like, and I love him in Return
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  of the Jedi, but you can tell by the time he's doing Return of
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  the Jedi, the dialogue is even more difficult to perform
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  sincerely because it's even more ridiculous than it was in A New
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  Hope. So yeah, God bless him, Yes.
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  Yeah. But we love him for it.
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  We love him for persevering through a lot of difficult
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  things. Yeah, which?
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  Includes George Lucas's writing often times.
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  Look, we love him, but it is what it is.
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  Yeah, I mean, he got he, I I feel like he was the best choice
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  for Luke Skywalker. I mean, like, he is Luke
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  Skywalker, yeah, but it also really hurt his career.
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  It hurt everyone's career, probably the least of all
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  Harrison Ford. But like, everyone was the Star
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  Wars people. After that, that's all anyone
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  ever saw. But is there a way that they
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  could have avoided it? I don't know.
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  I don't think so. I mean, they were like on par
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  with The Beatles, where people would like, yeah, like show up
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  at the airport to see their plane arriving.
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  You know, It was crazy. Probably not as intense as The
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  Beatles, but still, like close. Listen, if Carrie Fisher was
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  still alive, I would. I would hang out in the vicinity
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  if I was in the vicinity. If you know what I mean.
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  Yeah, we would flock. I wouldn't.
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  See, I have this thing with celebrities.
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  I have this thing with celebrities, but like if I see
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  one, I don't want to be that person.
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  I want to act cool and maybe not even approach them at all, I
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  know. I have.
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  I have spoken to two celebrities and that's like it, you know,
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  And I I acted pretty cool. I I like to think that I did the
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  correct thing. Yeah.
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  Well, they're people too. Both were haphazard.
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  They were in places I was that were completely unexpected,
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  yeah. You know, was that one of them,
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  the guy from Lost? Yes.
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  And it was after the first season.
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  So like the good season it was. For those of you that are lost
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  fans, it was Sawyer, the character, Sawyer, Josh Holloway
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  and he was in Alaska when I was working there in this little
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  town. Did you ran into him at a bar?
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  No, he was at he was at an outdoor race, like a trail run
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  race that they hold in Seward, AK every year.
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  Called the Mount Marathon Race and it's every 4th of July and
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  my roommate and I were there and there he is standing there
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  watching the race and I'm like, is that the guy from Wass?
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  So I had to walk up to him like, hey, funny seeing you here in
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  Alaska. What are you doing?
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  And he's like, I'm on my honeymoon.
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  What are you doing here? I said I'm in my internship.
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  He was really cool about it. He was chill.
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  It took me at least two hours to walk up to him though.
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  Well, that, yeah, I I would need to be drunk, I think.
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  Do you think you could keep your cool with Mark Hamill though?
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  Yes, I could because he's so normal.
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  I feel like he's so relatable and so normal and so goofy that
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  I feel like it would be. I feel, I don't feel like he
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  thinks he's above anyone, yeah. If I saw him at a con or I saw
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  him at like a signing or some kind of fan event, I feel like
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  he wants he would. He wouldn't be completely off
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  putting by by anyone. I feel like he's appreciative of
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  that. Maybe not like swarming over
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  him, but he's reached a point in his life, in his career, where I
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  think he's chill with it. And if I'm wrong I would never
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  go up to him. But that's my impression.
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  I think I could keep my cool. I think he's, he's really
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  gracious. People swarm him.
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  There's footage of him at Carrie Fisher's star Hollywood star.
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  He's getting back in his car and he's still signing autographs
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  even through the car window and someone hit him in the face and
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  he was like, that's it, we're done.
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  And and of course, a fan. It was like the paparazzi and a
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  fan was like like push them another way.
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  They're like how dare you hit? Mark Hamill in the face, That's
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  how I would be. But like, for comparison's sake,
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  Harrison Ford, I would not go near Oh my God, you know, he
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  would hate being approached. Right.
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  So, like, that's why I think it would be cool with Mark Hamill.
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  But like, I couldn't. I couldn't even approach what's
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  his name, Matt Lanter. At Comic Con.
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  He was 2 feet from us. But he was pushing a baby
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  carriage. He was pushing a stroller.
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  Totally different scene. Yeah, yeah.
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  I know when to act. It's just not on the show.
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  I don't. I'm never cool.
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  I mean, even seeing Vance Mickelson for far away, he's
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  always like, Oh my God, I was like having a meltdown.
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  So what if my favorite? Photos.
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  Ever. I made Andy Serkis laugh.
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  OK, I can do this. I can do this kind of stuff at
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  times. I have that photo right over
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  here. I'm collecting a nice wall of
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  autographed photos from people. Yeah, you have a nice collection
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  going. Now, just to get an autograph
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  from the man himself, not Hamill himself, but Dave Filoni.
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  Dave Filoni, I was going to say. Never going to happen.
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  Yeah, well I would love that, but I mean, he's even further
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  out of out of Reach than anyway. What are we talking about, Mark
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  Hamill? Tangent achieved.
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  Tangent #1 achieved full sight. Tangent.
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  We went screeching off the road with that.
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  One, that's why I like these episodes where we we deep dive
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  into individuals because you never know where it's going to
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  go in relation to these people. Yeah, seriously.
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  I mean, well, OK, so we all know Star Wars, The New Hope.
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  And it was like a huge success and people revered it right
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  away. And then Mark got in a car
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  accident, I know, and like, broke his face.
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  It was bad. Like it broke his nose and his
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  cheek bone and his teeth. He had to have a lot of
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  reconstructive surgery that was super painful.
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  Super painful. I Yeah.
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  Hello. The story I heard was pretty
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  funny. What he's he told it.
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  He was saying that he's heard all kinds of stories, that he
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  was like dragging his bloody body along the side of the
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  highway and all this crazy shit. And he's like, he's like, I
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  broke my nose, basically. He did like break his teeth,
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  dude. They had to like rebuild part of
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  his nose with his ear and all this crazy shit.
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  But he said he was, I think he had a, a convertible and he was
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  driving on the highway in LA, was playing.
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  I think it's the 1812 Overture. It's the yes, yes.
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  Everyone was singing along and realized he was going to miss
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  his exit and like went out and crashed his car.
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  Lot lost control of his car that way.
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  I was just like the fact that he's singing that song.
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  Yeah. So, Mark, it's.
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  Wonderful. Really.
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  Oh my God. But they said that.
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  I mean, that's why he met his wife.
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  What was that? I said the whole thing is not
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  wonderful. I didn't mean it to sound like
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  that's wonderful. No, car wrecks are not
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  wonderful. But the 1812 overture is so.
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  But yeah, he met his wife. Yeah, when he was getting his.
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  She worked at the dental office where he was getting like his
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  teeth. Fixed.
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  And I love them. I know they've been married like
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  40 plus years. And she has a very interesting
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  name, Mary Lou. That's it.
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  Yeah, I love that name. Yeah.
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  And this. It was like an A&E Biography
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  documentary that I watched. They said that, like, she really
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  helped him through his depression, 'cause he thought
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  his career was over. His face looked completely
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  different, even though he, like, healed.
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  Yeah, that's a that's a really tough, I mean.
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  Car wrecks are one thing, but then to have facial
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  reconstruction, basically teeth. That sucks.
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  That hurt. That has to hurt anything with
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  T-shirts. God, I really do think he was,
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  like, really beautiful. He was.
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  He had like that, perfect. Angular face and that nose,
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  yeah. Not that he's not a beautiful
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  human now. Yeah, no, he is.
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  I think that led to something kind of interesting though,
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  because after that, in Empire Strikes Back and after he has
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  this new look, which is really, I still think it's very
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  handsome. I think he was really handsome.
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  But I've heard artists and Lucasfilm working on AI describe
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  his face as very difficult to reproduce because he looks
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  different depending on the angle or the lighting.
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  He looks like a different person, so artists say he's
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  really hard to draw and AI has a lot of trouble, like figuring
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  out what he would look like because he looks different all
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  the time, which I think is so interesting.
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  He's safe from the AI generated images you'll never have to
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  worry about, sort of. I mean, he's clearly already
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  been AI generated twice now, I guess.
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  But yes, but even that they're having trouble making locking
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  down one version, you know they can't even get his voice right,
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  which is so bizarre to me. Is is it our like specific
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  critiques or is he just that difficult to reproduce?
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  I mean, he's unique. Like you said, his face is now
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  wholly unique. And still, yeah, he has a great
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  smile like you said he does. I I.
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  Because it moves to his eyes. Yeah, it's genuine, yeah, yeah.
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  He's clear that he gets enthusiastic about stuff and is
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  just as excited as fans, you know?
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  He's a fantastic voice actor. Yeah, that's the thing that's, I
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  think really cool about him because he's done a ton of stuff
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  like he did some of his more pop, not unpopular, but like
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  more well known movies are like Corvette.
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  Some are the big red one, which is actually, he is really good
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  in that even though I haven't seen it.
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  Lee Marvin exhausts me. I hate those like old war
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  movies, but he's really great in it and it's a totally different
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  kind of role. And like Slipstream, he's really
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  good in that. But that is a fucking bizarre
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  movie. It's really bizarre.
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  Also, never seen it. Listen.
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  I am. I am an I'll watched.
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  Is that the right word? I am a There are.
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  Let me put it this way. There are just so many things I
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  have not seen. I know, go ahead, cancel me.
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  But I just haven't seen all these this stuff is.
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  It's really obscure stuff. Like it's actually hard to get
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  your hands on it. Like, I think I've watched a lot
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  of this on YouTube because you can't trick it down anywhere
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  else. Midnight ride.
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  He plays like a murderer. Earth Angel, Leanne, that's the
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  one. Where he is like a nerd in the
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  50s and like, falls in love with the prom queen and she dies and
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  comes back as a ghost. That's the weirdest fucking
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  movie ever. I'm watching this movie and I'm
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  like, why are all these teenagers 40 years old?
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  And then I realized it's 'cause it was like.
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  Then the the movie comes to present day and then they're
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  like their actual ages, just like it's really strange.
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  Isn't that the premise of Casper?
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  Isn't it? The kid dies and comes back as a
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  ghost. Pretty much.
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  Pretty much. OK, just checking role reverse.
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  OK, I didn't say these were good movies and I just said the day.
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  I'm not implying anything here, just trying to catalog what ones
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  I need to to watch. I think I'll skip that one.
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  Well, but like more recently he's done the What We Do in the
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  Shadows TV show, which the movie is.
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  I've seen that and it's fucking hilarious.
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  It was Jim the Vampire, which I just love.
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  Stupid and pedestrian. Jim the Vampire.
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  Jim I'm like laughing so hard. I have tears in my eyes.
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  That sounds great, yeah. And he just did that movie The
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  Machine, which is like irreverent humor.
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  And then Fall of the House of Usher just came out like weeks
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  ago. So I think it's great that he's
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  acting in person again because forever he was just doing voice
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  over. Yeah, which is awesome and
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  amazing. And he has the longest IMDb I've
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  ever seen. That's awesome, though.
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  It's insane. It's crazy to see how many
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  smaller things, in addition to the massive entities that these
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  actors and actresses have been a part of.
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  I mean, especially Mark, just because he slides in there in
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  ways that you don't know, like we talked about.
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  What's his name in, in the last episodes of Clone Wars?
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  We just talked about things with the Yoda, where he's talking to
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  the wills and what's the what's the I am useless.
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  What's the name of the guy? The Sith?
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  He comes back. He's he's Darth Bane.
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  Thank you. Oh my God.
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  Just strike me. Down he comes.
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  He's Darth Bane. I don't have a Star Wars
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  podcast. Who am I?
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  Darth Bane's voice. In that episode, it's just like
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  you would never know, like you said you couldn't understand a
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  word, he said. But like, it's cool that Mark
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  Hamill has. It's also like James Arnold
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  Taylor. He's in all these different,
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  like, games, Yeah, yeah. PlayStation, Xbox, whatever the
• 22:59
  brand is, he's in the games, his voices and stuff.
• 23:01
  I love it. I love how you can't tell
• 23:03
  sometimes. Sometimes, like with Mark
• 23:05
  Hamill, if I know he's in it, I can almost always pick out who
• 23:08
  he is because now I know what he sounds like.
• 23:11
  But like the first time, I have no idea.
• 23:13
  I grew up my entire childhood. I had no idea he was the Joker
• 23:18
  and I loved. Batman, you had no idea.
• 23:22
  I didn't until it was like 2012, I think is what I learned, that
• 23:27
  Mark Hamill was the Joker that I grew up with.
• 23:30
  Oh my God. Well, I mean, as a kid, why
• 23:32
  would you know? Nobody cares about that.
• 23:34
  No idea. Yeah, my brain exploded.
• 23:37
  I learned as an adult, and I'm just like, what the fuck?
• 23:41
  It's the best. It's the best.
• 23:43
  I fucking love it. I love it.
• 23:45
  It's so good. There are a lot of good jokers,
• 23:47
  but Mark Hamill's my favorite. Oh, and you didn't even know it.
• 23:50
  And it's so you're unbiased. It's an unbiased opinion.
• 23:54
  Exactly. It was sincere childhood love of
• 23:58
  that character, and he was terrifying also.
• 24:01
  Would you say it's your favorite non Star Wars Mark Hamill role?
• 24:06
  That's a good question. Yeah probably just cause it's
• 24:11
  it's so I think that it's yes, because he's played the whole
• 24:16
  spectrum of the Joker, so he's done, which is funny because
• 24:19
  it's the antithesis of Luke Skywalker.
• 24:21
  But then he's even played the Joker on like opposite ends of
• 24:25
  the spectrum. So he is Batman, The animated
• 24:27
  Series, where it's kind of funny.
• 24:29
  Like it's it's really humorous. There are moments that are kind
• 24:33
  of disturbing, but you know, it's for kids.
• 24:35
  But then he's done the Arkham video games, which is really,
• 24:41
  really dark and really scary. Yeah, like, I haven't played the
• 24:45
  games, but I kind of this is the kind of nerd I am, dude, I watch
• 24:51
  the, like, I don't know what those are called.
• 24:54
  They're like cutscenes or whatever in between the yeah,
• 24:57
  I'll watch all of that and I've never played the game, but I
• 25:00
  just want to see like, 'cause I like Batman that much.
• 25:03
  I need to go see it now too, 'cause I probably will never
• 25:06
  play the game, but I just want to hear it.
• 25:09
  I want to hear it. It's really good and it's really
• 25:13
  disturbing. I love disturbing.
• 25:16
  He's very good at it. Like he I think that's why I
• 25:19
  love Mark Hamill so much, because I believe him as
• 25:22
  Skywalker the hero, and I believe him as this, like he's
• 25:28
  just not afraid to get really outside of his comfort zone.
• 25:35
  And he's even said that about animation is like, he doesn't.
• 25:38
  You don't have to show up looking like anything.
• 25:40
  You can play characters you would never be cast in
• 25:44
  otherwise, because you don't look like that character you
• 25:46
  know. Well, apparently I'm reading
• 25:50
  here that he was also in the Spider Man animated series.
• 25:54
  Yeah, as the Joker. Well, and there's other
• 25:56
  characters, because he doesn't always just play.
• 25:58
  Like, even in Batman he's played a couple of characters, but.
• 26:03
  He's in Marvel roles in animated series.
• 26:07
  I I'm, I'm like just going through his animated, animated
• 26:10
  stuff. I'm just like whoa, yeah, like
• 26:13
  his franchises are crazy that he's done voice.
• 26:17
  Obviously The Simpsons when he played himself, which was like
• 26:20
  and again it was like 2 years ago that I learned in that
• 26:26
  episode. It's my favorite Simpsons
• 26:28
  episode, not even because of Mark Hamill, because it's also a
• 26:30
  parody of The Bodyguard, which I don't know if you've ever seen.
• 26:33
  That movie, but unfortunately I have seen that one.
• 26:37
  It's a guilty pleasure for me. I like, love, hate that movie.
• 26:40
  And the Homer goes to bodyguard training school and he has like
• 26:45
  a drill Sergeant that's crazy who sings the Whitney Houston
• 26:48
  song. That's Mark Hamill.
• 26:50
  He. Sings Oh my God, So The
• 26:55
  Simpsons, Troll Hunter, Chucky. He's the new Chucky.
• 27:00
  Scooby-doo, Transformers, Obviously.
• 27:02
  Star Wars, Adventure Time, Avatar, The Last Airbender,
• 27:06
  Futurama, Robot, Chicken, Samurai Jack, Johnny Bravo, Hey
• 27:10
  Arnold, and then Masters of the Universe is now Skeletors.
• 27:13
  It's just like. Oh my God.
• 27:15
  Franchise. You can mention he's in it,
• 27:18
  basically. I'm just trying to see if I
• 27:21
  recognize anything that I've seen.
• 27:27
  Oh my Lord, no. Yeah, so I do want to just talk
• 27:32
  about the Joker really quick, because he was not originally
• 27:36
  cast as the Joker. He was not.
• 27:40
  No, Tim Curry was Tim. Curry oh oh.
• 27:47
  Which I then found really interesting because Mark Hamill
• 27:51
  also did Broadway for a while after Star Wars and was in the
• 27:56
  elephant band, which was also, after Mark was done, played by
• 27:59
  David Bowie, which is fucking. That's insane.
• 28:03
  But then he was also in Amadeus, which was originally cast with
• 28:08
  Tim Curry, and Mark Hamill replaced him in Amadeus on
• 28:13
  stage. Let me just say this.
• 28:18
  I fucking love Tim Curry. I do too.
• 28:23
  They could not be more opposite, right?
• 28:27
  How does this happen? I don't know.
• 28:30
  I don't it's they to me, like it's really bizarre because they
• 28:35
  they just aren't the same kind of actor.
• 28:38
  But maybe, maybe they are in some way.
• 28:40
  I don't know, because I cannot see Tim Curry as Mozart in
• 28:46
  Amadeus. I can see Mark Hamill because
• 28:48
  Mark Hamill looks and sounds just like Tom Holtz, who did it
• 28:52
  in the movie and he wanted to be in the movie, but the director
• 28:57
  was like, I'm not having Luke Skywalker in my movie.
• 28:59
  Oh. My, the shade.
• 29:02
  I know. I mean, I.
• 29:03
  Kind of get it? I kind of get it, 'cause like,
• 29:06
  yeah, you have an image of what you want and Skywalker isn't it.
• 29:10
  I get it. But like the shade I know, but
• 29:14
  so like this weird parallel of then Tim Curry was cast as the
• 29:17
  Joker, which is also weird because he's also then Emperor
• 29:22
  Palpatine in Clone Wars. After in Abercrombie dies,
• 29:25
  there's this weird like 6 degrees of separation going on.
• 29:30
  I would never guess that if you told me to do 6 degrees from Tim
• 29:35
  Curry to to fucking Mark Hamill, I'd be like, Nah, I'm out, but I
• 29:40
  guess it's the thing. So I guess he did the first
• 29:44
  couple episodes of Batman the Animated Series and then they
• 29:47
  replaced him and I don't know why.
• 29:49
  Maybe he had another scheduling conflict or whatever.
• 29:52
  I don't know if he got fired or not, but then so when Mark came
• 29:55
  in, he had a voice match animation that existed already.
• 29:59
  So the first couple times he's on the show, he's not even doing
• 30:02
  like his full version. He's just trying to like match
• 30:06
  what was there already, which is nuts.
• 30:10
  If you see those episodes, it's crazy.
• 30:13
  Yeah, it's really. And then he like, then he gets
• 30:17
  his full like exposure and then they start animating to the
• 30:22
  shapes that he makes while he's doing the voices because they
• 30:26
  would film. Him.
• 30:27
  Just, like, interesting, yeah. And they said he would get into
• 30:30
  these postures that were, like, so fucking bizarre that then
• 30:34
  they'd make make the Joker do that too.
• 30:37
  Because how else would you make that sound come out of your body
• 30:40
  otherwise? True.
• 30:41
  That's why I find it so incredible that voice actors
• 30:45
  aren't. They don't have those sticky
• 30:46
  things all over them all the time, those little dots, you
• 30:49
  know, I know the technology is, yeah, it's it's a very, I
• 30:55
  understand it's newer technology, but like.
• 30:58
  It's amazing what they can do to match that.
• 31:01
  But to picture Mark Hamill, To picture Tim Curry?
• 31:06
  It's kind of a mindfuck, but I love it.
• 31:11
  Well, he also said that his he has like 100 different crazy
• 31:16
  maniacal laughs. But he said he developed by
• 31:20
  doing Amadeus, which I don't know if you've ever seen that,
• 31:22
  but like Mozart was famous for having like kind of an insane
• 31:26
  laugh. Makes sense.
• 31:27
  And so he would like kind of come up with these on stage.
• 31:30
  And then they worked perfectly for the Joker when he got cast
• 31:33
  as the Joker, which I just love that there's this weird
• 31:37
  connection between the Joker and Mozart.
• 31:40
  He just can't. Help it Up until this episode, I
• 31:43
  never knew, which is why I was so excited to talk about this.
• 31:45
  Because you're so passionate about all of this.
• 31:48
  And I'm sorry, I'll calm down. No, no, that wasn't it.
• 31:51
  No, stay. That wasn't an indication for
• 31:54
  you to tone it down. Stay up.
• 31:57
  I'm just saying I'm learning things from you as we go.
• 32:00
  I can't. I look, I can't watch all these.
• 32:04
  So I need you. It's.
• 32:07
  It's so much and even though hey watched a lot of it, I can't
• 32:11
  watch all of it. It's just I did.
• 32:13
  I even made a list. I was like trying to get through
• 32:15
  all of Mark Hamill's stuff because I was curious and I got
• 32:18
  through a lot of his movies. But like that voice acting is.
• 32:21
  It's impossible. It's insane.
• 32:24
  So he's been active. So he was born in 1951, but he's
• 32:29
  been actively working in some shape or form since 1970, yeah?
• 32:35
  And it's 2023. That's incredible.
• 32:39
  And he's done everything movies, TV, stage, voiceover.
• 32:44
  He even produced his own comic book.
• 32:47
  Yes, and he did stop motion claymation movie also like that.
• 32:53
  He directed like it's crazy. What?
• 32:58
  What was that? Do you know, I can't remember
• 33:00
  what it's called? It's.
• 33:01
  It was about like it was as though the monsters that are
• 33:06
  cast in like monster movies or horror movies are actually
• 33:10
  actors, and they're just like they can't find work.
• 33:13
  Except it's the purple dragon, you know, and the.
• 33:17
  Wall so it was. That was like the idea behind
• 33:21
  it, but I think it's like claymation, so it's.
• 33:22
  Kind of. I love Claymation.
• 33:24
  Yeah, it looked. It is so honestly, it's so Mark
• 33:28
  Hamill because it's like, you know, a comic book meets, yeah,
• 33:32
  fashion horror movie, 'cause that was so his thing back in
• 33:36
  the 50s and everything. So, you know, fun fact, maybe
• 33:39
  it's not so fun, but I took a theater class in college and it
• 33:43
  was history of the different types of media and we did
• 33:47
  claymation and stop stop motion or whatever, the whole thing.
• 33:51
  And I fell in love with it. It's awesome.
• 33:55
  I never realized the amount of work.
• 33:59
  Anyway, it's right. It's incredible.
• 34:02
  It made me appreciate Rudolph the red nosed reindeer from what
• 34:06
  is that? The 60s, fifties, 60s.
• 34:09
  It was in college. I don't even know.
• 34:10
  It must have taken 40 years to make them.
• 34:12
  With Burl Ives, that's the one. I'm the iconic classic Rudolph,
• 34:17
  yeah. I just one of my faves, anyway.
• 34:21
  Made me appreciate that more than I ever realized.
• 34:25
  Yeah, it's it is painstaking every everything like a hair of
• 34:29
  the head. The eye is shifting.
• 34:31
  Everything has to be accounted for, yeah.
• 34:34
  And here we are. Mark Hamill's a part of that,
• 34:36
  too. Go figure.
• 34:37
  What is he not a part of, besides my life?
• 34:40
  Well, he is a part of my life. He's just not, you know,
• 34:42
  physically, he doesn't know who we are.
• 34:44
  Yeah, maybe someday. Mark want to come on the show?
• 34:48
  Oh, Mark, I think I would die. I might actually just die.
• 34:53
  Yeah, that would be the last episode.
• 34:58
  Then I get my Viking funeral and I'm done.
• 35:01
  Yes. Vader can come and slice me in
• 35:03
  half and throw me on a ceiling and we'll live forever in peace.
• 35:06
  Or or not live. We'll exist.
• 35:10
  We'll haunt the shit out of Yes. God, we're messed up, dude.
• 35:21
  Oh man. OK so the IMDb list is the
• 35:30
  length of the Bible. If you could pick any non Star
• 35:37
  Wars project from Mark Hamill, good luck.
• 35:41
  Just like scroll and point. What's your favorite non Star
• 35:45
  Wars Mark Hamill role? It can be.
• 35:47
  Voice over. It can be TV, movie, theater, It
• 35:52
  doesn't matter. Just tell us if you can.
• 35:56
  You can. I don't even know if I could.
• 35:58
  I mean I guess it's just got my favorite is Star Wars but like
• 36:01
  non Star Wars. God, I don't even know what it
• 36:03
  be. I guess the Joker.
• 36:05
  Well yeah. Do you do you have anything?
• 36:07
  Because I know you haven't watched as many other stuff.
• 36:09
  Just the scene in that gift that you sent me.
• 36:11
  It's a good choice. I actually think I might go
• 36:17
  track that movie down now. Yep, so join us back here next
• 36:24
  week. We are starting A2 part episode
• 36:26
  breakdown arc of. We talked about it in a previous
• 36:31
  episode. We said we're going to do it,
• 36:33
  we're finally do it, and I'm so excited.
• 36:36
  It's the Dooku captured Ark in Clone Wars.
• 36:39
  There's only two episodes in this arc, not the usual 3.
• 36:44
  And it's a lot. It's Hondo, it's Dooku
• 36:47
  irritated. It's Obi Wan being a sassy
• 36:50
  bastard. It's Anakin act and dumb.
• 36:53
  We love all of it. And we're going to do the next
• 36:57
  two weeks or the two episodes. And I can't freaking wait.
• 37:03
  Last week's episode was about spooky Clone Wars.
• 37:06
  Yes, little belated Halloween episode for you.
• 37:10
  And we asked our listeners what was their favorite or I don't
• 37:15
  know if you can call it favorite spooky thing cause a lot of
• 37:17
  people even said like this is the most disgusting thing.
• 37:23
  Thank. God, let's have it, MBCH, 77,
• 37:29
  said. Those brain worms are the
• 37:31
  absolutely most awful and disgusting thing in all of Clone
• 37:35
  Wars. I just wanted to hide from
• 37:37
  watching. They really are.
• 37:40
  And they did it. They did it so well, though it's
• 37:43
  so gross. I was afraid they were going
• 37:48
  there and then they went there and.
• 37:49
  They went there. I agree they are.
• 37:51
  They are absolutely wretched. And then our friend Carlo
• 37:55
  mentioned to me that I totally forgotten this, but she said it
• 37:59
  was really disturbing and she felt really upset that her
• 38:02
  daughter was in the room when this happened and she wished she
• 38:05
  had known ahead of time to like kind of shield her daughter.
• 38:08
  But the moment where Ventris kills a clone and kisses him on
• 38:12
  the cheek. Oh, Oh yeah, actually.
• 38:19
  Right. Not a kiss show.
• 38:25
  We need to revisit that topic as well, yeah, I think.
• 38:29
  I think there's plenty of stuff in in that topic that could be a
• 38:32
  recurring theme on the. Show holy cow.
• 38:35
  We'll start with that, Yeah. Well, that was something I, I, I
• 38:40
  kind of like always forget about that until I watch that episode.
• 38:43
  I think it's Arc Troopers I want to say.
• 38:46
  And yeah, I agree, Carla, it's that's gross.
• 38:50
  It's just it's it's fucking disturbing really.
• 38:54
  So yeah, but also classic Clone Wars, right?
• 39:00
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• 39:11
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