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Iron Deficiency Is a LIE: The Copper Secret Big Pharma Buried in 1948 w/ Morley Robbins · Man in America Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Do you want to hear something completely insane? Most people who've been told they have iron deficiency anemia don't actually have an iron problem. They have a copper problem.
• 0:32
  And the iron supplements they've been taking for years, well, according to my next guess, those might actually be making things worse. So his name is Morley Robbins. Morley spent more than thirty years inside the American hospital system. He was a hospital executive, a consultant, like he was deep inside the machine. He wasn't some guy on the outside looking in.
• 0:52
  And what he saw year after year, decade after decade, was the same chronic diseases cycling through the same patients, receiving the same treatments, and just not getting better. At some point, he couldn't accept it anymore. So he started doing his own research over many decades. And what he found, and what he's gonna walk us through today, is this, that one of the biggest problems in modern medicine is that doctors are being taught to look at minerals as independent standalone items. Okay.
• 1:20
  You're tired? Here's your iron. You're deficient. Take a supplement. Problem solved.
• 1:24
  Right? Except the problem rarely is solved. And so what looks like an iron problem is usually, according to Morley, a copper problem. And I know it sounds a little out there, but here's the thing. And this is what really got my attention when I started kind of diving into his work and the science behind what he's saying is real.
• 1:42
  Like, this isn't just some guy making stuff up on the Internet. The proteins he talks about, the way copper and iron are supposed to work together inside your cells, it's based on scientific literature. It's been there for decades. The gap isn't in the research. It's in what the medical schools are actually teaching.
• 1:58
  And so what Morley has built, he calls it the root cause protocol. It's basically a framework for understanding how your mineral system is supposed to work and why for a lot of people it's broken. And he's helped more than 7,500 people, one on one through his work. So he's built a community of close to a quarter million people. Right?
• 2:20
  So people who were told that, hey, your labs are normal. Just keep taking your iron. Keep, but it's kept getting worse, right, until they found his work. And so I'm not a doctor. Morley's not a doctor.
• 2:31
  This conversation is not medical advice, but I will say this. If you're someone who's just exhausted all the time, you can't figure out why, or you've been told that you have anemia and the iron supplements aren't really helping, if you've been given a label like copper toxicity, right, which my nanny, has, and we'll talk about that in the conversation. I want you to really listen to this conversation because what Morley is going to share today might be exactly the piece of the puzzle that you've been missing. So take a deep breath, get comfortable, and let's get into it. This is my conversation with Morley Robbins.
• 3:05
  Morley, thank you for coming on the show. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. So again, thank you for giving us your time today.
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: Well, delighted to be here, Seth, and I'm looking forward to our conversation.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: So one thing I feel really lucky about in doing this show is that I get to talk to a lot of really independent thinkers and brilliant thinkers that have really stepped outside of the confines of what we're taught or what the mainstream, narrative is. And I think you learn that that kind of mainstream narrative is oftentimes hiding certain things, lying about certain things. And so, kind of diving into these kinds of topics, which we'll be getting into, has always been really fascinating to me. And so But before we jump into a lot of your research specifically, why don't you give us just a little bit of background upon about yourself and your hospital history and what led you to where you are now?
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Sure. Real quick thumbnail sketch. I grew up in a very sickly family. My mom was an alcoholic with heart disease and my dad was a manic depressive with schizophrenia, a very intense and charged environment. My sister became a nurse, so I was supposed to become the doctor.
• 4:15
  Well, everything was, looked great until I got to college. There's a lot of work to get into medical school. And suffice it to say, I at least applied, but I didn't get in. And if you don't go to medical school, you go to business school because you can then boss the doctors around, and that's what I did. I spent twelve years as a hospital executive, and I was never the administrator, but I was always in charge of growth, making the organization bigger and more effective.
• 4:48
  I was pretty good at it. And then I went into consulting for twenty years and I was flying on metal tubes all over the country, dragging a suitcase behind my back. And after twenty years, my body said, We're done. I developed what's called frozen shoulder. I couldn't pick my hand up above my waist, which got me to a health food store and their recommendation was to go see Doctor.
• 5:13
  Liz. I put up my hands and said, I don't do witchcraft, there must be a better solution. They sold me some supplements, came back months later, and the owner was there that day and she said, Morley, we love you. Go see Doctor. Liz.
• 5:27
  Well, to collapse the story down, Doctor. Liz is now my wife and she introduced me to the world of natural healing that I've never known as a hospital executive consultant. And the way she healed my frozen shoulder was there's a muscle in this TMJ joint called the pterygoid muscle, and mine was rock solid. And so she went inside my mouth and with the full weight of her body, she's putting pressure on that muscle, very painful. But as she did that, my arm lifted and it was a miracle.
• 6:04
  And after that procedure, she used the phrase she was talking about the innate healer. And I looked at her, I was really puzzled by it because I'd never heard that phrase in thirty two years of working at a hospital. And I didn't say anything to her at the time, but I made a commitment to myself, I'm going to find out who the innate healer is. That's what the book is about. Cure Your Fatigue and the play on CU, which is a symbol for copper.
• 6:33
  And fatigue is a play on another phrase called cellular energy deficiency, which is the basis of every condition on the planet. And there's a Bible that you may or may not know about that's used by allopathic medicine called the Merck Manual. Well, there's 20,000 conditions in there, and they all begin with cellular energy deficiency. And so who brings energy to the body? Copper.
• 7:02
  Absolutely amazing, and nobody knows that. And so I made this commitment seventeen years ago to really get to the bottom of why is everyone so sick, because what I was really good at in my hospital days was forecasting. Give me some data and I'll tell you where it's going to be ten, twenty, thirty years out. And I was pretty good at it. And what happened was in 2008, I was doing a study for a series of hospitals here in North Carolina, and every disease index was a hockey stick about to take off.
• 7:38
  And it was frightening. It didn't matter what the condition was. And I decided I couldn't stay on the sidelines anymore, and so that's when I really dove in. I picture myself as a health educator, but what I really am is a self taught mineral expert, because after you spend seventeen years, seven days a week, three hours a day, that's a lot of hours of research, reading peer reviewed literature, which is not something that a lot of doctors do because they don't have time. But I really zeroed in on what I call the three ring circus.
• 8:18
  It's copper, iron and oxygen. And that's the three ring circus that really enables life and death to happen on the planet. And so what's unique about it is that oxygen is the second most reactive element on the planet. So you have fluorine gas, right? We know that's bad.
• 8:45
  Oxygen is number two. Ozone's number three. People need to know that. But then we've got iron. It's the most prevalent element on planet Earth.
• 8:57
  36% of the Earth's composition is iron. And what do iron and oxygen like to do?
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: Like to
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: play with each other. Like to oxidize. They're really good at it. And we recognize oxidation outside of our body. We've got the rusty pipe, the rusty, you know, tar, whatever it might be.
• 9:16
  But that same oxidation process is occurring inside our body except when there's enough bioavailable copper. And so the way I characterize it is that copper is the general and iron is the foot soldier. Not as many generals in the Army as there are foot soldiers. And so the little known fact is that it's bioavailable copper, and I use that phrase bioavailable because there's certain forms that are critical for our health and well-being, but bioavailable copper can regulate iron and oxygen at the same time and not create oxidation. It's a very unique property that only copper brings to the table.
• 10:00
  And what's happened in the last century is there's been changes made to farming, which I'm sure you understand. There's been changes made to food processing, which you may know a little bit about, but it's very extensive. And the third leg of the triangle is changes in pharmaceuticals. They've changed dramatically in the last century. Well, those three industries are interrelated, and they're controlled at the top.
• 10:28
  And so the medium that runs medicine on planet Earth is you're anemic and you're copper toxic. And what they want us to believe is we need more and more iron and we should be afraid of copper. And if I were selling medications, that's exactly what I'd want you to believe. But we have this innate ability to heal ourselves, and we can take a dive at the appropriate time to really delve into that. But people don't realize just how sophisticated our body is at maintaining homeostasis.
• 11:08
  And what's homeostasis all about? Energy. If we can't create energy in our body in response to stress, that's when the symptoms arise. And the part that people need to really understand is that there is a profound player that they've never heard about called copper. It used to be in our food system.
• 11:28
  It's changed with the introduction of glyphosate in the last fifty years. I'm sure we'll talk about that. But the world is very different than what our great, great grandparents lived in. And I'm just on a mission. It's what became what began as a hobby has become a mission.
• 11:51
  And I'm trying to spread the word, and I'm very grateful for having a chance to have this conversation.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm really looking forward to this. And one thing just to point out, I think that your frozen shoulder, that is the it's the perfect example of the modern medical system. So, I imagine if you went into some sort of specialist, right, joint specialist or whatever, they probably would have recommended some kind of surgery.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what they wanted to do.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Right? They would have tried to cut you open. It's like if you have a swollen thyroid, they'll cut your thyroid out. If you have your tonsils are swollen, they'll cut those out. Right?
• 12:28
  It's just Right. It is and it'll give you drugs to help you through that process and painkillers. It just seems to be that's kind of the, one of the fundamentals. Of course, there's a lot of money in that. There's a lot of money in surgery.
• 12:42
  There's a lot of money in lifelong pharmaceutical prescriptions. But, you you went to this woman, she's a chiropractor, is that correct? Doctor. Liz? Yeah.
• 12:52
  Right? And she, you know, without any fancy equipment or medicine or without, aside from the pain of loosening up that muscle, she understands the human body in a way that she knows that. Reminds me of, you know, Chinese medicine or acupressure, right? Absolutely. Acupuncture, where they can go in and with very simple things, fix.
• 13:13
  Actually, funny enough, we had the same thing happen with my first daughter, who's five years old now, when she was little. At one point, she had a really high fever for a couple of days, you know, 102, And 100 she we couldn't really figure out what was going on, and we were reluctant to go get antibiotics for a lot of the obvious And I forget who it was, someone we talked to, they said, Take her to a chiropractor. I said,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Chiropractor? Absolutely.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: And so, we went to a chiropractor that specialized in children, And it looked like she didn't do anything. Right? She has a little tool that kind of had a little pop, got a little pressure
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: She hit a couple areas, and she said, Okay. She said, Within the next couple of days, she's gonna either have a big sleep, a big cry, or a big poo. I think that was what she told us. Or all three. Within twenty four hours, she had just a huge bowel movement.
• 14:04
  It was pretty, pretty bad, pretty gross. Was crying and fussy, and she slept for, I don't know, sixteen hours. She woke up and the fever was gone. Basically, what the carpenter explained to us is basically there was a blockage in some of her drainage. And so, wasn't able to expel a lot of toxins from her body.
• 14:20
  Had toxic buildup, and her body was fighting it with that fever. And again, it's just like it's so simple, yet I think we paid maybe $90 for that appointment. Whereas, if you went to a doctor, it could turn into a $10,000 ER visit. Did you know that in the last few centuries, over half a million bells have been destroyed? There were literally bell graveyards.
• 14:46
  Now the textbooks tell us that this was to use the metal, but if you've ever gone down this rabbit hole, you discover that the sounds that these bells made had amazing healing properties. There are even claims that certain regions with lots of these bells, church bells, etcetera, were mostly untouched by the bubonic plague. Now your doctor might call you a conspiracy nut for thinking that, but even modern science recognizing the healing power of sound. So check out this study from the NIH. Doctors used sound therapy on chronic back pain, and they found, quote, significant reductions in pain sensation and pain related disability.
• 15:21
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• 15:44
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• 16:01
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• 16:31
  Speaker 2: The key is there's different languages of healing. So you have allopathic, is what most people, that's mainstream medicine. You've got homeopathic or chiropractic. Well, minerals is another language, and I like to think of it as the root language. At a primal level, for whatever reason, your daughter had a mismatch of copper and iron in her body, which is not unusual.
• 16:56
  And what is a fever? It's a very sophisticated mechanism to burn up the enzymes that the pathogens use to steal our iron. They can't exist without iron. All of the pathogens, the bacteria, the fungus, virus, all of these critters must have iron and they rely on iron. And so the fever is the mechanism to do that.
• 17:21
  And what's really important inside the body is signaling. Like we're all used to using our phones, right? Well, there's metabolic pathways that basically are using cell phones to talk to each other. Well, that mechanism to enable that communication requires copper. It's a specific enzyme called the PAM enzyme that no one's ever heard of, but it stands for peptidoglycine alpha amidating mono oxygenase.
• 17:49
  If you want to have fun with a doctor, ask them what the PAM enzyme is and they won't know. And that's not their fault. They weren't taught that. But this there's 4,700 signaling peptides in our body and they require one enzyme to work. And guess what that enzyme is being affected by?
• 18:06
  Glyphosate, Because glyphosate chelates copper, and then the signaling doesn't work. It's like you're in one bar.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Ah, so, okay, so I've, we've, I'm very familiar with glyphosate, and I've done a lot of research into, you know, just the petrochemical industry, and and looking at how it affects the body. Obviously, it's a toxin for for one. But I've never toxin. A toxin. Yes.
• 18:31
  Thank you. Yeah. So I've Yeah. I've never heard it described like that, though, that, So if I'm following you here, and I'll ask a lot of questions to make sure I'm kind of following your trail here, that basically, it's almost like iron is a building block of organic matter. And that life, you mentioned, you know, these these, pathogens, even they need iron.
• 18:55
  They they steal it And from so this now, why why does iron play such a like, why is this a critical role? It's kinda like asking you, why does gasoline make a car go? Right? Why is iron Mhmm. So important for cellular health and therefore overall physical health?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: It's really good at carrying oxygen. It's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: really good at hemoglobin.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: It's also very good for moving electrons. But what people need to understand is that, the way I characterize it is iron is dumber than a box of rocks. It's basically like a four year old with a hammer. It's a very powerful metal, but it doesn't have a lot of sophistication to it, at least from my standpoint. So no one in their right mind would give their four year old a hammer and then go next door and have a cup of coffee with their neighbor.
• 19:51
  You just you won't do that. And what we're doing in the modern world is, again, because of this meme, you're anemic, because of a gross misunderstanding about how to interpret blood work, we are giving people more and more iron in hopes that it's going to get into their physiology. But every facet of iron metabolism requires copper for its use, and that's the part that's not taught. There's certain scientists that are very adamant that there is no iron metabolism, there is no copper metabolism, there is copper iron metabolism, and so these metals are joined at the hip of a very important protein that no one's ever heard of called ceruloplasmin, and it's a very important, very big protein in our bodies, ten forty six amino acids. To give you context, insulin, which you're probably familiar with, has 45 amino acids.
• 20:59
  But ceruloplasmin has ten forty six, so it's 40 times bigger and it has eight copper atoms inside it. There's no other protein in our body that even comes close. And so the world of science has known about this protein since the 1940s. It was formally written up in 1948 by Hohenberg and Laurel, two famous Swedish physiologists. And what did big pharma do?
• 21:28
  Swept it under the rug as fast as they could. And what people don't realize is you're talking about glyphosate, you know, it's a toxin, it's a poison, whatever. But here's what people need to understand. It's really, really important. It's a very powerful chemical, very powerful.
• 21:46
  It was designed as a mineral chelator back in the '50s. It was designed to clear out minerals from industrial pipes. That was its job. And then it became an antibiotic, and then it became an herbicide. Well, if anyone understands that progression, that should make everyone really nervous.
• 22:07
  But what's important is that this herbicide chelates minerals at different speeds. You're familiar with earthquakes. So an earthquake of three, dishes rattle, but no one's hurt. Earthquake of 12, nobody survives, because it's powers of 10 each time you go up one notch, right? And so there's a famous scientist at Purdue University, he's now retired, his name is Don Huber.
• 22:40
  Don Huber has been studying glyphosate more than anyone on the planet, and he's converted the speed with which glyphosate takes out the minerals on a logarithmic scale. So glyphosate will take calcium and magnesium at a three. Okay, it's fast, but not blistering fast. It takes out iron and zinc at a nine. Wow, that's a big change.
• 23:10
  It takes out copper at a 12. So what does that really mean? So copper is coming out at a 12. What it means is that copper is coming out of the body or out of the soil a thousand times faster than iron and zinc, but a billion times faster than calcium and magnesium. Here's the problem: We don't know what a thousand times faster is.
• 23:35
  We don't know what a billion times faster. When I was in college, my grandfather, my mom's dad, passed away and she was the executor of his estate. And the proceeds of that, she bought a Mercedes three fifty SL sports car. It was a sweet machine. And I'm driving that.
• 23:52
  Again, I'm in college. I'm driving it in Florida, and I'm going twice the speed limit. I'm going 140 miles an hour, wall of green going by. By the grace of God, you know, no one caught me, but that was 2x. When I was a little boy, a famous pilot named Chuck Yeager broke through the sound barrier, right?
• 24:15
  That's 10 times the speed limit on the highway. He was going seven fifty miles an hour and that was a big deal. A thousand times? A billion times? We can't relate to it, and so because we're human and numbers are overwhelming, they go right over our head and we say, well, I don't understand that, so it can't be very important.
• 24:36
  No, it's very important, and here's why. When Monsanto, who were the original owners of glyphosate, wanted to introduce that chemical in Europe, the French were vehemently opposed back in the '80s. They said, We don't want any part of it. They didn't outlaw it, but they made sure that the farmers knew this is not where you want to go. So a group of scientists in 2022 decided to say, Gee, how did the French fare with that forty year ban on glyphosate?
• 25:14
  99% of French citizens are paying glyphosate in their urine. So what it means is that glyphosate is in the air. It's in the water table. And we have this very naive belief that, Oh, well, that's just the commercial farms. That's the big bad farm down the street.
• 25:34
  It's everywhere. And people think that if they run to their farmer's market and they buy purely organic food, that they're safe. Not anymore. And that's the and I'm not a doomsday guy. I'm just I'm a realist because I've read the research.
• 25:52
  I know where it's going. Again, I'm good at connecting dots, right? I can tell you where it's going to go. It's not a good end, and there's a reckoning that's going to hit the world. It's not just America, And, you know, people like Stephanie Senef have written extensively about this, but people are just, oh, does Stephanie Senef know?
• 26:15
  She just has all her degrees from MIT. What could she possibly know? She's one of the brightest people on the planet. And we're in a very delicate time getting people to realize that our body and our physiology is highly dependent on these minerals, but highly reactive to our environment, especially something as powerful as glyphosate. And it's just getting people to recognize that there is a way to reverse that.
• 26:43
  And that's really what the book describes as the front half of the book is what's the problem, and the back half of the book is how do we solve it. And it's just a very straightforward protocol that has what are called stops and starts. And what people may find unsettling is what we tell them to stop doing. Stop taking iron supplements. Stop taking calcium supplements.
• 27:08
  Stop taking ascorbic acid. Stop taking isolated vitamin D. Take it in collard oil, that's great, but don't take vitamin D supplement. Stop taking zinc as a supplement. And we have the research to back up why we say that, and then we tell them, Here's three phases of what you need to focus on to restore your energy and your health because they're inextricably connected.
• 27:35
  And it's just getting people to realize that we have a very sophisticated system created by our Creator and Mother Nature, but it needs certain nutrients in order to work. And if those nutrients aren't in our food system, then we get in we auger down into more and more symptoms thinking that we've done something wrong, not knowing that it's the soil that doesn't have the minerals, it's the food that doesn't have the minerals, it's the animals and plants that don't have the minerals, and then ultimately the humans don't have. And it's unfortunately, it's not rocket science, Seth. It really isn't. It's just getting people to connect all those dots.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And so, a few questions about glyphosate. So, when you say it's a metal chelator, they're using it for cleaning industrial pipes. Is it kind of like, running a, kind of decalcifying a coffee maker, Right? When there's that mineral buildup, you put in a decalcification, solution, and it cleans off all of the calcium buildup. Right?
• 28:34
  So they were using glyphosate because it would basically, it would break down and strip those the metals from the interiors of these industrial machines?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think in its initial inception, it makes sense. Its evolutionary inception is frightening. What is what it's evolved into. And in 1984, the chair of chemistry at Harvard, well, that's a pretty good school.
• 29:03
  They probably know what they're talking about. He was talking about what's called the shikimate pathway. It's a bacterial pathway that exists in our gut. It's not a human pathway, but it's the microbiome relies on the shikimate pathway. And what he very clearly showed in this pivotal 1984 article is that glyphosate was shutting down enzyme one and enzyme four.
• 29:28
  Well, enzyme one is rate limiting. And what chelating? Was Copper. And once copper came out of the equation, the whole pathway shut down. So we've known for a few years, forty two years, that this is going to be a problem.
• 29:47
  Again, it's out of sight, out of mind. If you don't know about it, why would you worry about And what I'm doing is educating people. I've got an online training program. I educate practitioners and others. Are real events.
• 30:02
  These are real physiological facts, and we got to do something. And it's just, are we going to turn the tide? I don't know. But we're going to go down swinging, and we're going to make sure people know about what the price to pay is by ignoring this.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And so, okay, looking at, you talked about the speed in which glyphosate pulls these metals out, how copper is at this astronomical speed. We're almost it's almost like it takes it to zero instantly, right? Give you think a billion times.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That's
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a If good way to describe we're looking at, because I know that oxygen is very important for cell health, and there's a lot of treatments, even like red light therapy, one of the key functions of red light therapy is how it affects the oxygen in your body, or CDS, chlorine dioxide, how it affects the oxygen within your cells. And so, iron, you mentioned, basically one of the key roles is oxygenating the cells, and the oxygen in the cells is, is a healthy cell. And now copper, you said, is the general of iron, which I want to get into more details on that, but basically, so when you have glyphosate coming through your bloodstream, whether you're breathing it in, or you're consuming it, or you're drinking it in some manner, that it's it's stripping all the copper out of your body at a rapid speed. And so, all of the illnesses that are associated to glyphosate, cancer being one of the big ones, is that, do you think it is it almost as simple as that that's just, it's like an extreme copper deficiency that causes that illness from the glyphosate.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That's a very unsettling conclusion, isn't it? That this one metal that no one knows about or that most people think is toxic is in fact the source of life, and let me explain why. So again, some more big numbers. We have 40 mitochondria in our body, so that's 15 zeros. That's a lot of mitochondria.
• 32:13
  But to give people order of magnitude, have 2,000 mitochondria in our liver cells, we have 4,000 mitochondria in our kidney cell, We have 10,000 mitochondria in our heart cells. The cardiomyocytes have 10,000 mitochondria. A mature egg in a woman's body can be as many as 600,000 mitochondria per egg, okay, per ovum. And then we have brain regions, particularly the substantia nigra that people may have heard of for Parkinson's, 2,000,000 mitochondria per neuron. So this is not some, Oh, gosh, what are we we don't need to worry about these numbers.
• 32:59
  Actually, we do need to be aware of it. And I'm going to bet that your home has a kitchen, right? And in the kitchen, there's a stove. Right?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Mhmm.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: What's the stove what's the stove made out of? Iron.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cat we have a cast iron grate over top of it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Okay. Great. Wonderful. So does the stove know what's for dinner tonight?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: No. No.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: No. Does the stove know what temperature to put the oven on? No. Does the stove know what burner needs to be put on? No.
• 33:34
  I mean, what does the stove require? It requires a chef. You or your wife or your kids or somebody has this lovely job of being able to feed the family, and they're going to operate that stove. Well, mitochondria work the same way. They're very sophisticated, but they have what's called an electron transport chain, and there's five stops on the chain.
• 34:00
  And stop number four is why we're here on planet Earth. It's called cytochrome c oxidase, and that's where oxygen gets activated. What that means is it gets split and is turned into two molecules of water. And when that event happens at the pH of seven, can't be 7.1, not 6.9, got to be pH of seven, energy molecules are released. To give you a sense of why this is so important, we go through a billion ATP for every heartbeat.
• 34:45
  You go through your body weight in ATP every day. And so if your mitochondria are not efficiently making ATP, you will have fatigue, you will have symptoms, you will have lack of homeostasis. And so the mechanism of action is making sure that the mitochondria have the general or the chef, whichever analogy you like to use, The chef knows exactly how to split the oxygen, how to bring hydrogen and protons and electrons into the mix at complex four at the stove. And what is complex four doing? It's two heme proteins.
• 35:28
  You've heard of heme probably, but there's heme A and heme A3. You can't make heme A and heme A3 without copper, wink, wink. But heme A and heme A3 are holding the oxygen so that copper can work on it. And it's doing at a blistering pace so that there's a part of the mitochondria. After we make the water, the ADP goes over to another complex.
• 35:55
  And it's rotor that's spinning at 30,000 revolutions per minute. That's 500 revolutions per second. I'd be impressed if you could do one revolution a second, right? And so spinning at a blistering pace of 500 revolutions per second. And when it goes around one cycle, three ATP are made.
• 36:19
  So ADP becomes ATP. And who's the catalytic agent to make that happen? Copper. When I learned that, I was like, why is this not taught in any kind of healing program? The whole basis of our body is dependent on making energy so we can respond to stress.
• 36:43
  And the best definition of stress I've ever come across is by Mark Hyman, famous functional doctor at Cleveland Clinic. And here's his definition: Stress is the body's inability to make energy for the mind to respond to its environment. It's the most elegant definition of what stress is. Do you know anybody who has stress? Like everybody, right?
• 37:08
  And so the world is awash in stress but not aware of the fact that it's energy that allows us to respond to that stress, to mitigate that stress and prevent that stress. And so we're taught to deal with stress, but not taught how to really do it at a physiological level. What we're trying to do within the root cause protocol is give people the operating system and the actual steps to restore your body's energy production. And it's so basic. And so it's just getting people to have the wherewithal to realize that they can, in fact, take control of their health.
• 37:49
  And the whole philosophy behind the RCP was to democratize healing, was to get it away from the priests and put it back into the hands of the public. Say, you know, your great grandfather did not have an allergist for every part of his body. I know he didn't. I'm sure he's a pretty savvy guy. And so the thing is we have lost an appreciation or an understanding of how our body really works.
• 38:18
  And all we're trying to do is get people back to the basics of how does the body really respond to stress.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, and so looking at the role of copper, and also just these minerals, right? I believe that you've mentioned mineral metabolism, right? So, I can kind of have a general idea what okay. It's basically your body's ability to kind of process minerals. Right?
• 38:47
  But will you explain, like, what what is what is mineral metabolism? And I'm sure that some people have, if they're not very well, maybe a very low mineral metabolism, or so I'm guessing it's good to have a high mineral metabolism in your ability to kind of churn through these minerals. So walk us through what that is a little bit.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Well, we've depending upon the source, some might peg it at 82 minuteerals on the planet, some might be as high as 102, you know, but it's a lot of minerals. And we're led with this idea that we must have 102 minuteerals. No, we don't. There's a hierarchy. Copper is at the top, absolutely at the top, and magnesium and iron would be right below it.
• 39:34
  And when we talk about metabolism, what it really gets down to is are we able to make energy with the use of these minerals? That's really what metabolism is, is making energy in response to some function. And the part that is not well understood in the public as well as the practitioner circles is how central these minerals are to making energy, but there is a difference between iron holding oxygen and copper slicing and dicing it so it becomes water. There's a catalytic difference between the role that the minerals play. And it's getting the public to realize we don't need to worry about one hundred and two minuteerals.
• 40:21
  We need to worry about maybe a handful at most, but certainly the big three are the copper, the iron, and the magnesium. And the part that people would benefit from understanding is a lot of people do know that under stress, they lose magnesium. When I started this work, I coined a phrase many years ago called the magnesium burn rate. As your stress goes up, your expenditure of magnesium is going to go up. But it took me about five years to figure out why.
• 40:51
  And it's actually very simple once you piece it together. If copper is deficient in the soil, in the food, in the human, there's going to be a dysregulation of iron. Iron is not going to be in balance where it's supposed to be in the body. And when iron is not in balance, it's going to cause what's called oxidative stress. So when we're not turning oxygen into water and we're turning it into hydrogen peroxide or we're turning it into the hydroxyl radical, which is very reactive, as you probably know.
• 41:36
  Those latter forms of oxygen are called oxidative stress. And so the goal of this whole process is to optimize the activation of oxygen to optimize the creation of energy. When that doesn't happen, the oxidative stress will rise. The number of what are called oxidants, or they're called reactive oxygen species or they're called free radicals, Have as many as you want. They're free, right?
• 42:07
  But they're really destructive inside the body. But the goal is to optimize the conversion of oxygen to water to release optimal amounts of energy. And when that doesn't happen, when we do have a buildup of oxidative stress, magnesium takes it on the chin. It's the first response to stress. And we have enzymes in our body called kinase enzymes.
• 42:34
  People have never heard of them. I'd never heard of them. And they respond to stress. And when they encounter stress, the first thing they do is they release a phosphate molecule, which has energy attached to it, but it's also attached to a magnesium ion. And when that phosphate gets cleaved, magnesium goes straight into our urine, and that's the magnesium burn rate.
• 43:00
  And so the way we characterize it within the RCP is you can take magnesium all day long to correct symptoms, but you've got to deal with the copper iron conflict to solve the problem. And that's the part that people are as well versed in. They know how much better they feel when they take magnesium. What we're trying to get them is move upstream and deal with the source of the oxidative stress, so you're not burning up all the magnesium.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I've looked at a lot of different parasite cleanses, I've done a lot of them. This one looks phenomenal, not to mention it's developed by this guy who's been doing this for fifty years. So I would recommend you do the stool test to see if you do have any parasites, or if you have Lyme issues to kind of pinpoint exactly what's going on. But I've done these parasite cleanses before, not this exact one, but these are very, very potent, very powerful. And I actually really trust the one that was developed by the guy who's been doing this for over fifty years.
• 44:00
  So the URL to go directly to this cleanse is sethcleanse.com. So again, that's sethcleanse.com, will take you straight to this page right here to make it easy for you. And give it a shot. Yeah, give it a shot. Let me what you think.
• 44:17
  Thank you. What about copper toxicity or copper allergies? Right? So, our nanny, she has a lot of kind of allergies and kind of sensitivities to certain things. And, you know, we often drink our water out of a copper bottle.
• 44:36
  We have copper bottles and copper cups that we, not always, but we use them. And she came to us one day and she said, Oh, she realized she had a copper allergy. So, it seems like that would be kind of counterintuitive because if copper is such an important part of our chemical makeup that kind of fuels our vehicle, the human body, how is That's that
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: a wonderful question. Thanks for asking it. It makes no sense, does it? On the surface people should say, that makes absolutely no sense at all.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: It's like you have a water allergy, right? Right. I'm allergic to water. Air. Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: no, absolutely, and so we live in this world of duality where we're supposed to believe that copper is toxic, vitamin A is toxic, right? Wink, wink, don't you know? And it turns out that in order to make copper usable in our body, we need to have retinol in our diet, Preformed animal based retinol is very different than beta carotene. It takes 12 beta carotene to make one retinol. So people have been led to believe that beta carotene, retinol, they're one and the same, they're not, and all are the same.
• 45:52
  One's a skateboard, the other's a Ferrari. And so it takes a retinol to activate what are called copper enzymes that basically are pumps. And what these pumps do is they put copper into the enzyme to make sure that they work. One of those enzymes is the PAM enzyme. Another enzyme is cytochrome c oxidase, which we were just talking about.
• 46:19
  Another is a lot of people have connective tissue disorders. Well, 45% of our human cells are connective tissue. Think about that. 45% cartilage, ligaments, tendons, blood vessels, fascia, 45 of our body is connective tissue holding us together. It's made by one enzyme.
• 46:41
  It's called Lysyl Oxidase. Most people have never heard of it. And there's two atoms of copper inside. And that enzyme doesn't work if copper is not there. Well, how does the copper get in there?
• 46:53
  It's a pump called ATP7A that loads it up, makes sure it's working, and then sets it free. And what you may not recall, I was born in 'fifty two. A few years after I was born, a guy named Ike, President Eisenhower, had a heart attack on the golf course, no less. And what was the response of the medical community? They took fat out of his diet.
• 47:22
  Got to get rid of that cholesterol. Got to get rid of that retinol. And when they took retinol out of the diet, they destroyed the ability of the human body to make bioavailable copper. Who knew? I mean, it's one of the most amazing hijackings of humanity that's ever taken place.
• 47:41
  And so the key is it doesn't take a lot of nutrients to allow the body to run right, but this concept of copper toxicity, it's very popular. It's very misunderstood. And what's really at the base of it is and I'm actually writing a separate book. It's going to be called The Myth of Copper Toxicity, it'll come out in a couple months, but what's really behind it is too much iron in the body from too much iron in the food and in the supplements. And again, why is there too much iron?
• 48:22
  Because we believe, we've been trained to believe that we are anemic, wink wink, knowing that there's a difference between low iron on a blood test and high iron in the tissue. The blood test never measures the tissue level. People think that the blood test is perfectly representative of what's going on in the liver or the heart. No, it's not. It's representative of what's going on in the blood, and the world has been fooled by this misunderstanding.
• 48:57
  And there's really two forms of anemia. There's an absolute iron deficiency and there's functional iron deficiency. And we're led to believe that everyone is suffering from absolute iron deficiency when in fact, I would argue that people who've been shot by a gun or been in an auto accident, they qualify for absolute. Everybody else is functional. And it's a real source of distinction to get people to realize that the blood can misrepresent iron status in the tissue, and this hasn't been stressed enough in doctors' training.
• 49:39
  It's a real source of confusion. And so according to the World Health Organization, I don't know whether that's a credible source anymore, but let's pretend it is, We're led to believe that a third of the earthlings on planet Earth, 3,000,000,000 people, are anemic. Let's think about it. Let's play with that for just a minute. So iron is the number one element on the planet.
• 50:08
  And before COVID, I would have argued that humans were the most evolved species. I'm not sure now. It's kind of I'm on the fence now. But in order to believe that a third of the world's population is anemic means that the most evolved species on the planet has lost the ability to metabolize iron. That doesn't make any sense at all.
• 50:32
  And so as you get into the research the way I have, and, you know, just by a calling, the grace of God, by whatever the process was, I was invited into this process, and it's been an absolute amazing journey to discover the hidden mechanisms, the hidden metabolic processes, the hidden communications, and this whole notion of copper, iron, and oxygen is not at all well understood. And when you begin to step back from it and really appreciate it for what it is, it just smacks you in the face. You're like, Oh my gosh, this is a serious problem. And your nanny is part of that dynamic that's been told that they're allergic to copper. She's copper toxic.
• 51:27
  The fact that you use copper vessels, that's great. They've been used in India for thousands of years. It's a great way to control the pathogens. It's very effective at it. It's not a great way to restore copper status in your body, but it'll deal with the pathogens.
• 51:44
  And what I've learned over the years is that anyone who has what's called elevated copper on a hair test or a blood test or they're told they're copper toxic invariably, they have too much ascorbic acid in their system. They're using hormone replacement therapy. They're using antibiotics. There's some chemistry in their day to day life that is blowing up the ceruloplasmin protein, causing the copper to come out of the protein. It's going to get bound by something else, but it's going to show up in the blood work differently than if it was still inside the seruloplasmin protein.
• 52:23
  And the level of confusion is notable, but your nanny is not or she's not allergic to copper, I would bet she's probably iron toxic. That would be my going in proposition, is she probably has some kind of iron dysregulation and no one's ever told her that there's a difference between dietary iron and recycling iron. And the dietary iron used to be one milligram a day, and the recycling system is twenty four milligrams a day, and the recycling system is run by what? Copper, ding, ding, ding. And you can't absorb the one milligram in our gut without what?
• 53:03
  Copper, ding, ding, ding, and they forgot to tell people that. And so there's all sorts of innuendo in the communication with the public about what the problem is because, as you well know, I'm sure you know this, there's no money in healthy humans, is there? No, absolutely not. And I can assure you there's no money in copper, right? But there's a lot of integrity in copper, and that's why I've studied it, because back when I was in my thirties, I made a vow that I was going be a man of integrity.
• 53:41
  Now, I don't walk on water. I've made a lot of mistakes in my day. But as it relates to something like this, I want to make sure the public knows the facts, knows the truth, knows all of the nuance of the truth so they can begin to challenge the narrative that's out there. We see, we're waking up to the fact that there is a narrative in other parts of our lives. We know there's a narrative in the economy.
• 54:06
  We know there's a narrative in religion. We know there's a narrative in legislation, in governmental bodies. So we're waking up to all these narratives. Well, what people need to know is there's a massive narrative around how the body breaks down, you're talking to someone who takes a very strident position. There is no disease.
• 54:33
  There is stress induced mineral dysregulation that causes metabolic dysfunction, which causes energy loss. When you have energy loss, you're going to have symptoms, I guarantee it. And what do we do with those symptoms? We run to the doctor's office, we empty them on the doctor's desk and they swirl them around like a Ouija board and then they say, Oh, you have XYZ syndrome, and they tattoo it on our forehead, and then we run home and get on the Internet and we Google XYZ syndrome and go, those exactly are the symptoms I've got. There is no disease.
• 55:16
  The symptoms are real. I'm not denying the symptoms. But this idea that you are broken? No, you're out of balance and you're not metabolizing your stress. You're not making the energy that you need in order to respond to that stress, and that's really what the root cause protocol is designed to do.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: And so, it's interesting because, so with her as a good example, you know, she has, you know, health issues that come and go. You know, they're probably a higher percentage than myself and my wife, right? And you can see that a lot of sensitivities and allergies. But if someone is being told they have copper toxicity, looking at what I've learned so far today, and how critical copper is to the overall cell health and body health, someone's told they have copper toxicity, I'm guessing that that's a really big issue, right? Because that means something is off in like the very fundamental building blocks of the healthy cells.
• 56:14
  Is that what you say it's accurate?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: It is accurate. It is a big deal because they're being told to withhold or be afraid of the very element that enables them to make energy to respond to stress. There's not 87 minuteerals involved in turning oxygen into water. There's only one. And so it's a very unsettling idea that So the doctors don't learn this?
• 56:41
  Whether they're homeopaths or chiropractors or osteopaths or allopaths, they're not taught really, they're not taught this? No. They're not taught it's not taught in nutrition school, it's not taught in nursing school, and it's not taught in pharmacology school. And so there's a level of disbelief. It conjures up what's called cognitive dissonance.
• 57:06
  Oh, they're lying to me. That's a very uncomfortable concept for people to process. But you've got to go back, we're learning now, they've been lying to us about a lot of stuff. It isn't just this one element. And what we've done, I mean, I've had the pleasure of reading 12,000 articles over the last seventeen years, and they're not C.
• 57:29
  Dick and Jane Run articles. These are very important articles. And by the grace of God, I'm able to interpret them, you know, connect the dots and come up with interpretations to help the public to realize there's more to the story. And people probably have heard of Paul Harvey with all of his more to the story. Now you know the rest of the story.
• 57:52
  Well, what we're trying to do within the RCP is now you know the rest of the metabolic story of why you have the symptoms you've got, but it doesn't mean there's a disease. You just need to kind of rise above that din of insanity and just say, Could there be more to the story? And what we've been able to do is document that, in fact, there is more to the story. And I think, like with your nanny, I'm happy to volunteer my time, look at her hair test and her blood test, and I'm pretty confident with a conversation with her, I can tease out what's really the underlying factor. And again, not to be over the top, it's just I've had 8,500 consults.
• 58:34
  I've talked to a lot of people in seventeen years, and it's such a it's very disheartening to see how many people have been misled and misfed with rumors or these narratives, and I think it's time to separate wheat from chaff and find out what are the facts.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I'd say, you know, fatigue is one of things that she is probably her number one symptom, is just fatigue.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: And I know she doesn't have enough bioavailable copper. She may have copper in her system, but it's not where it needs to be. It's not being regulated properly. And I would bet that there's chemistry involved in that process. And just things The article that I referenced back in 1948 by Holmberg and Laurel, that turned allopathic medicine on its ear because it introduced something that no one knew about, that there was this copper protein that has nine enzyme functions.
• 59:37
  That's a big deal. Has 15 different substances that it can work with, that's a really big deal. And what people need to know is that the big pharma model is one gene, one protein, one function. That's the big pharma model. Well, what do we have with ceruloplasmin?
• 59:53
  One gene, one protein, nine functions. Very disruptive. And they were very explicit about in this article from 1948, was like, Don't go there, that it's old news. The older the article is, the more truthful it is. That's what I've learned, to go back in time.
• 1:00:17
  And again, everyone keys off of, What's new? No. What were they talking about in the 30s and 40s? But what they outlined in that article is that ascorbic acid, which everyone thinks is vitamin C, it's not. It's a very, very different substance.
• 1:00:34
  But ascorbic acid blows up the sullaplasm protein. Well, that's very disruptive. So this protein is like a tank. If you've ever seen the movie Fury, you know there's five soldiers inside the tank, right? Well, this tank has eight soldiers inside it.
• 1:00:52
  And if you remember that movie, towards the end, there was a trapdoor that the lone soldier was able to get out of. Well, trapdoor exists in the ceruloplasm. It's called tyrosine. It's a specific tyrosine, the door opens up and the copper comes flooding out when that door gets activated. It doesn't get activated by sun, it's usually a disruptive element, and so people don't know that that process is in fact part of the immune response to infections, to inflammation.
• 1:01:27
  They've been taught that it's bad. This rise of copper is negative and really sinister. It's not. But it takes a nuanced understanding of the immune system to see it for what it really is. And that takes time and it takes a willpower to buck the system that's telling you, you know, stay away from copper.
• 1:01:48
  It's gonna make you toxic.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: And so is is copper something like, if you have the right kind of bioavailable copper, is it something you can just supplement? And I'm sure this is a much more complex process, but is it something that like, for instance, you know, one of the the companies I buy a lot of products from is Micronix Silver, right? The like, I know the guy that runs And it, owns he I was just looking up he has this product called Copper Seal, which is, it is a basically, what he describes it, it's just it's a highly bio bioavailable copper, right, paired with micronic silver. So is it as simple as part of what you can do is just add a supplement to bring copper in, take the right kind of copper into your body, or how do how do people start correcting this?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Great. Great question. What what you're gonna be uncomfortable is when I tell you that silver is not your friend. Silver is very disruptive to copper biology. It's not my opinion, it's the work of a famous Russian copper expert named Lyudmila Puchkova.
• 1:03:00
  In 2019, she wrote a very important article examining all the different phases of copper metabolism that are destroyed by silver, Significant things. That's very disruptive for people to hear that. This particular product, I'd have to look at it. But pairing copper with silver is not metabolically required. That's just trying to defend the turf of silver in the face of no information about its toxicity.
• 1:03:29
  But in the same way that Al Gore invented the Internet, we know he didn't, but he wants us to believe he did. Well, I like to tease people that I invented copper supplementation. And so what happened was, and I'd say that total tongue in cheek, I want people not that serious, but we all weathered the storm in 2020. Well, it was in March 2020 that people started taking what was called the COVID cocktail, and it was high dose ascorbic acid, high dose vitamin D, and high dose zinc. And that was going to keep you from getting the COVID-nineteen virus, right?
• 1:04:15
  Well, I knew from my research, at that point, I'd been researching it for eight or nine years, I knew that was the perfect triad to kill copper in the human body. And so I renamed COVID COV, copper's vanished, Iron's dysregulated. And what people need to know, as soon as copper goes south, iron will take over the body in a very bad way and a lot of symptoms attached to that. And then on the heels of that is when the first edition of the book came out, and then the next year I inspired the creation of a product called Recuperate. People are supposed to say, Wow, what a witty guy, Recuperate.
• 1:05:04
  And it's a very bioavailable form of copper that has desiccated beef liver, spirulina, that has boron in it, and it has copper bisglycinate. And I think it was a cut above what was available. Now the market is being flooded with a lot of copper supplements, and what people need to understand is that copper is unique in its requirement for cofactors and requirement for fat to be in the diet. The copper is a fat soluble mineral as opposed to a lot of the minerals which are water soluble. Copper is absolutely fat soluble and that's why the beef liver is so important.
• 1:05:48
  A lot of people think that they can take organ meats or they can take desiccated organ meats and get a buy. All of that was pre glyphosate. Glyphosate has changed the mineral profile of these historically rich sources of copper, And one of my students has done the testing to prove that it's not the same. And so we're in a very different world now. And so to answer your question directly, yes, we can supplement.
• 1:06:16
  We absolutely, I think we are required to supplement now because of the impact that glyphosate is having. And the reason why people should be a little bit nervous about this is that there's a lot of emphasis being placed on hormones and peptides now. You know, anyone who's at all aware of healthcare trends is certainly mindful of the preponderance of evidence but a product dealing with hormones and peptides. Why is that important? Because you can't make hormones active and you can't make peptides active without the PAM enzyme.
• 1:07:00
  So that means that the reason why there's a sudden rush to needing these products is that we've lost the bioavailability of the PAM enzyme. I would argue, I don't have proof, I think Stephanie Sunniff has probably come closer to the proof, but I think there's evidence that it's the glyphosate that's stripping these minerals out of the soil, especially the copper, so it can't get into our metabolic pathways to enable the proper chemistry in our body. And again, we're bumping up against very uncomfortable subject matter, and it's getting people to realize that even in the face of this uncomfortable information, they can take a stance. They can take corrective action. They can follow the stops and the starts.
• 1:07:46
  And is the protocol perfect? No. But here's some recent testimonials that we've been examining. Three sixty two people, we formally documented their symptoms and what they've done using the root cause protocol. Thirty eight percent of those people that have done the protocol have a complete elimination of their symptoms.
• 1:08:14
  Wow, thirty eight percent. Fifty five percent, the symptoms have gotten noticeably better, significantly better. Seven percent, they're the same, no change. I would love to see the profile of the top 10 selling drugs and see if they have a profile that's even close to that. And I know they don't.
• 1:08:37
  But the point is that, yeah, there is a seven percent. And the key is getting people to realize that, well, let's focus on the ninety three percent. Let's begin to take the action that we can take for ourselves, begin to modify our diet, begin to modify our supplement routine without a lot of fanfare, and suddenly our symptoms start to fall off. And it's just it's important for people to realize that they can take control, that the body does have this natural capacity to heal itself, and it's just giving people the stages of empowerment to allow them to do that.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: And so I'll pull up your website, and I'll make sure that the link is in the description. It's therootcauseprotocol.com. And so, if people want to learn more about this, obviously, right, we have your book, right, which I have a copy of it, and you have that list. It's on your website. You know, Cure Your Fatigue.
• 1:09:38
  But what else is available for people that want to learn more about this?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Well, one thing we can do is they can go to the resources tab on the main website landing page, and they can look for a starter guide, and that's a free 16 page document that will explain to people what the starts and stops are all about, explain, you know, what the sequencing is, answer many of the basic questions that people have, but that is a free resource that we make readily available, and we have since the very beginning back in 2010. The other thing is there's a community. People can join our RCP community where they have access to twice a month. We have Q and As, questions and answers. People call in with their symptoms and things like that, and we work their way through so that everyone can learn what's going on.
• 1:10:37
  We have a training program. It's a sixteen week program that's really designed for not just practitioners, it's designed for moms, designed for the average individual that just wants to help, but gives them a deep dive into how the body really works, not the way we've been taught it works, and allows people to go out and be a root cause practitioner and just help people work their way through. And what's really fun about the group is a third of the attendees are doctors or some kind of health practitioner with a license. A third of the people who come are moms, just want to heal their family. And another third, people like you and me, don't have a degree, don't have a certificate license or anything.
• 1:11:25
  They just want to help. They just want to make a difference. And so we're just wrapping up group number 23. We've trained about 1,000 people now over the years, and we'll be opening it up again in the new year for group number 24, and we're looking forward to a banner crop of people. But those are some of the main principles.
• 1:11:47
  And within the website, there's also a product directory and people can get the recommendations that we have. To give you an example, the cod liver oil that we strongly recommend, there are over 100 different brands of cod liver oil. We back three. One of them is from FIQ that you're focusing on there, but there's one by Jigsaw Health, but there's also one by Rosita's, which is that's sort of the Rolls Royce of olive oil. But it makes a huge difference inside people's body in terms of getting making sure that the copper gets loaded into the right enzymes and that the body is able to regulate itself.
• 1:12:32
  And so what's important for people to realize is that there are 54 copper proteins and they serve many different functions inside the body. Here's an example of why with your colleague who thinks she's allergic to copper. When a woman comes pregnant, and at any one time, one percent of society is pregnant. It's a good thing to know. One percent are pregnant.
• 1:13:07
  The amount of copper that shows up in their blood doubles within two to three weeks of getting pregnant, and the amount of ceruloplasmin, copper protein, triples. When was that first identified? It was identified by a guy named Manz Krebs. People might go back to their high school biology class and remember, Oh, yeah, the Krebs cycle. Very smart guy.
• 1:13:32
  He was working for a guy named Otto Warburg, people probably have never heard of. What did Otto Warburg know? He only got 52 Nobel nominations. But the thing is, it was Krebs who studied pregnant women in 1928 to figure out, wow, there's a doubling of copper and a tripling of ceruloplasm, and we're supposed to believe it's toxic. Would Mother Nature really do that?
• 1:13:56
  And this isn't just humans. This is all mammals. Every animal on the farm goes through this process. But we're supposed to believe, wink, wink. What's the three letter word in belief?
• 1:14:08
  Lie. We're supposed to believe that copper's toxic. Stay away from it. And if I was trying to sell synthetic drugs, I'd want you to believe that, too. And so people need to challenge the narrative, be willing to step up to the bar and begin to delve into this world of research that's out there, and the book has almost 300 footnotes in it, and I know not everyone's a gearhead who wants to go through 300 citations, but this is not an opinion.
• 1:14:40
  This is not my opinion. This is a compendium of research that's been building for many, many years. And I'm standing on the shoulders of giants. The research scientists that I've uncovered, these are just amazing individuals that have challenged this status quo. Oh, there is disease.
• 1:15:01
  And they're like, there is no disease. It doesn't exist. And it gets drowned out in this din of insanity that we call conventional medicine. And it's just giving people an avenue of information. It's giving them hope.
• 1:15:18
  If I've heard from one person, I've heard from thousands of people, Thank you for giving me hope. I've had more people If I had a dollar for every time someone said, I found you after I prayed, like, Okay, that's sweet. That's divine intervention. But there is this vein of truth that's running through the research that most people have not been tapped into because they're told that they're copper allergic. And it's just it's unfortunate that people don't know, Well, that makes no sense.
• 1:15:54
  And they should say, Why would the cow who's pregnant have a doubling of copper if it's toxic? So it's just getting people to be willing to ask better questions and demand better answers. Now, what do I mean by that? Let me give you an example. When someone is told that they're anemic, which is very common, there's one question that's never asked: Doctor, why am I anemic?
• 1:16:24
  That's a really important question. Explain to me how I'm anemic. Vitamin D deficiency, everyone is trained that we're all vitamin D deficient, right? We know, oh, you more D. Actually, you need more sunlight is what you really need.
• 1:16:39
  But again, same question. Why am I vitamin D deficient? Or in the case of colleague, ask the doctor, so how am I allergic? How did that happen? Instead of just taking it as prima facie, oh, you're copper toxic and you're screwed, say, Walk me through the metabolic process that allowed that to happen.
• 1:17:03
  I really want to understand it. And what invariably people are going to find is that practitioners don't have answers to those questions. And that should make us all a little bit nervous because it just means that the whole infrastructure of the narrative is based on cards. And we need to challenge that and really get to the metabolic truth. And the reason why we focus on the energy is it's primal to existence on the planet.
• 1:17:32
  You cannot exist on this planet without energy. And they blow past that in medical school. And so the phrase that we use is ignore the enemies, ignore the pathogens, ignore the heavy metals, ignore the toxins, ignite the energy. That's really what we're designed to do. Our homeostasis runs on energy, and if you've ever been on a boogie board, which runs one side or this side, there's no energy involved.
• 1:18:03
  You're out of balance, right? But when you're here and you're having to stay in energy, you're using massive amounts of energy in your legs and your upper torso to try to stay in balance. That's exactly how metabolism works. We need to make energy to stay in balance, And that's the beauty of Mother Nature and the way we were designed.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Which is just, it's incredible. And I really enjoy learning all this. And I'll talk to my nanny once we finish. I'm sure that if you're open to it, as you mentioned, that she'd
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to I'd be honored.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Case study for this. And so, I'll pull up your website, one last time. I'll make sure that we've got the link to this in the description. It's therootcauseprotocol.com. And, Morley, just thank you again for giving us your time.
• 1:18:51
  Thank you for your life's work, which I think is really important. I've learned a lot through this discussion, and I'm looking forward to learning more. And I look forward to talking to you again. Just, thank you again for helping us with this.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Happy to do it. Appreciate the opportunity. And just to round it out, for people to have contact information, I regularly give out my email address, which is my first and last name, morleyrobinsgmail dot com. And then I always share my cell phone, makes the podcast host nervous, but it's (847) 922-8061. I get calls all day long, all week long.
• 1:19:33
  The highlight of those calls is the hypoxia on the other end when I answer the phone. They go, Oh my god, you actually answer the phone. Said, I do it all the time. And so I've never met a question I didn't enjoy, and I encourage people to keep an open mind. Thank you for the chance to have this discussion.
• 1:19:52
  I'm grateful to whoever was in your live audience and said, If you want to learn about copper, you need to talk to that guy, Morley Robbins. That was a great chance to connect us. And hopefully this will lead to maybe more conversations or a better understanding within your community about what's going on.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it will. Well, thank you again. It's been a pleasure speaking with you.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: All right. Take care.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Okay. Bye bye.