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Emotional labor shortage crisis? | HBR Talk 282 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk two eighty two Emotional Labor Shortage Crisis.
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I'm your host Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks, the personification of
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perceptivity, Mike Stevenson, and that adorable specter of death prim Reaper, and
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tonight we're going to do the hard work of listening to one of feminism's pettiest
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complaints. Of course, half of feminism's complaints today are feminism's pettiest complaints,
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but you know that's that's that's feminism. Yeah. The other the other half
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are their their most serious complaints, which are mostly still pretty petty. Yes,
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because say they say that, you know, uh, five times fast,
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pretty petty. But before we do all of that, we gotta do
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what we gotta do, and I'll try to get through it without having to
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down menu at the top of the page. And before I get into anything
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else I do have, I just realized I do have a super chow that
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it looks like it was from yesterday, but it may have been after the
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show was done, because there's not a done after it, so it makes
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it doesn't fit in with anything in the show, and I'm not sure what
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it's about. But Rorschacks No gave us ten dollars yesterday and said, I
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don't think all men would be walking on their hands. There will be groups
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of men growing groups of men and growing saying that's unreasonable and not worthy of
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my own self respect. I'm not doing that. So I'm not sure what
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that one was about, but I read it because I don't know if it
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was already read. And then there we go. We've done our emotional labor
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for the day. Speaking of which I will before we get into the part
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of the article that we haven't already read, I want to take you back
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to the definition that the author wrote, which was the work that keeps a
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professional environment humane and appealing, that inspires people to cooperate in successfully complete tasks,
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and that keeps companying companies functional through crises. So it's not exactly the
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same definition that other people have given. There's there's different things that people have
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said about it. She attributes it to emotional intelligence, calls it a shadow
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form of work, uh and that says the United States has relied on it
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for a long time, and and says that it is a fixed set.
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It's seen as a fixed set of feminized, altruistic traits that are not seen
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as work that they're just part of female personality, which is why when you
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have a service job, you know, all of the women are super friendly
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and easy to talk to, and all the men are just you know,
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gross, been acting like they don't give a crap about what they're doing,
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right, right, like that just I totally remember that from when I was
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in retail. Yeah, especially not in in instances where somebody wants to speak
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to the manager and the and the manager is a dude. Yeah, you
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know, once in a blue moon, though, it did help if a
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manager was male, because sometimes women would put up with behavior that was like
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we had. I worked at a gas station. It was not a Kroger
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gas station. People would come in and try to return milk that they had
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bought at the Kroger grocery store, and they would insist that they had stopped
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at our store and picked it up, and I we didn't even like the
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gas station I used to work at has a Kroger across the street from it
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now, but when I worked there, there was not a Kroger there.
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There was a Kmart there. That's that's how long ago it's been Kmart.
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Kmart has since gone bankrupt. But when I was when I was working there,
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we were working across the street from Kmart, not Kroger, so there
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wasn't even a nearby like it was half a mile to the nearest Kroger.
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They couldn't have mistaken our store as having been the place they got the milk.
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They just didn't want to go to Kroger. And and they would try
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to return to this milk is sour, it's outdated. I got it here,
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No you didn't. I can't buy that milk here. It's not our
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brand. We don't carry that brand. And and then they'd have a temper
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tantrum and ask to speak to the manager, and the manager would have to
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say the you know, cashier's right, we don't. We don't sell that,
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and a lot of the female managers just to not deal with the problem.
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Would customer service it out, which is what the individual wanted. They
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wanted a few bucks, and the then they would they would use it to
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buy like beer, you know, the the individual bottles of beer. And
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half the time I wonder if you know they had picked up they had picked
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up nine gallon of milk at Kroger and we're returning it at gas station.
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Milk prices which the only milk we sold was a brand name and it was,
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you know, more than three dollars, and there you go. So
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they just made made a few bucks off the store and got their beer and
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would move on. And the male manager would be like, look, if
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you don't get out here, I'm going to call the cops and and that
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would be the end of the discussion and then they wouldn't come back. Whereas
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the female managers, every single one we had, had to learn that if
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you just gave in to shut up the angry customer and and moved on,
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they figured out that the scam worked, and they would repeat it over and
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over again until you kick them out for trying it. So so there's your
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emotional labor right there. Huh exactly not the most effective work. Should we
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Should we pay for the repeating scams too? That sounds like a no less
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than ideal business plan. Used to be able to do it and get cigarettes,
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but cigarettes are more expensive now. It costs more to smoke than it
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does to drink, depending on what cigarettes you get. Uh, give me
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a second, guys, I am going to mute here. Sorry, it's
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October. The leaves are turning pretty colors. And I am allergic to them.
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Oh no, yeah, well you know, I'm allergic to all the
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nicest stuff like nice smelling perfume. You know my favorite animals for septar rats,
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not allergic t rats. Uh so, but yeah, no, I
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had did sorry, I had a mute, but I just coughed my brains
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out, so I know, kim brain anymore tonight has to done. There
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you go. But so we stopped at the paragraph that ended with women and
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men of the same capacity for empathy. Women women are cast as as naturally
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better at emotions, often winding up taking responsibility for the well being of a
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group in professional and private settings, despite studies showing it women and men of
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the same capacity for empathy given the right motive motivation. So the first thing
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I thought of is employers who are business owners specifically, are are taking responsibility
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for the well being of all of their employees. Right then, this is
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when you talk emotional labor. If your business goes through a rough patch and
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you have employees that their ability to pay their bills day to day depends on
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you, and they're living paycheck to paycheck because you're at the low end of
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the business scale, and maybe it's retail or something like that. You sweat
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it every time there's a dip, every time there's a little problem, every
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time you have a supply side issue where you can't get the things you need
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to sell. I worked for business like that camera store, and you know,
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the owner worked probably twelve to sixteen hours a day trying to make sure
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that everything went well with his business. And I ended up leaving to move
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to Dayton, and a few years later, during the Obama presidency, his
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business went under. And I cannot imagine the sleepless nights because he had three
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employees whose ability to pay their bills depended on his business, and it folded
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so like that. That's and a lot of people who take their risks to
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own businesses are men. That wasn't like a short time business either. That
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business was around for so long that things that we were selling for for fifteen
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and twenty dollars had been fifteen or twenty cents when it started, So it
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was it was around when people most people didn't have cameras. But yeah,
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go ahead, yeah, what trust me about the word well being, it's
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a bit like the word wellness. Are you all familiar with the concept of
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wellness, Right, it's a bit. It's a bit like medicine, excepted
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doesn't actually heal anyone. There's no compelling evidence that it's a bunch of chemicals
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that can give you vitamins and nutrients or perhaps perhaps some kind of homeopathic healing,
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but it doesn't actually medicate anyone. This is the difference between wellness medicine
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and medicine and well being is much the same. What are men in charge
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of survival? Basically, men provide the amenities and the resources that allow us
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to survive, and if they didn't do it for twenty four hours, a
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great deal of us wouldn't survive. This is not mentioned in this article.
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What's mentioned is the well being of a group. And that's what women are
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in charge of being, which is some kind of equivalent of wellness. They're
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not. They're not in charge of survival anymore. Women very much used to
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be in charge of survival when when they didn't have machines to do all this
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ship for them. But nowadays they're not. Men are in charge of making
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sure people survive. So we'll give women something. Women are in charge of
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well being. Now what does that mean? It means the subject of this
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whole show emotional labor. It means anything you want it to mean. Yes,
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it means are people doing well well, we have women to thank for
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that. Are people not doing well well, we have men to blame for
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that. And that's all how it goes. Well. Being is a wishy
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washy nothing term that can mean literally anything, and that's why we give it
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to women. Survival is something is something that men are in charge of and
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almost entirely responsible for, and that's why it's not mentioned anywhere in this article
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or in any given Feminists greed, which which to me seems like an imbalance,
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but I guess I'm a misubject. Oh it gets it gets better because
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if if you're you know, if you're in management, or if you are
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any any part of the workforce that you know you're your guy and you don't
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care about things like birthday parties, somebody's you know, eight and a half
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year anniversary or some dumb shit like that, it's you get you get shamed
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for it by the female employees. Right. And we have invented holidays at
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work for employees that are underlings to management. We have Secretary's Day, we
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have Personal Assistance Day, which I guess those are two different, two very
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different things. And if you confuse the secretary with a personal assistant, you
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really get lambasted by both sides there. But they do the same work that
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like, the functions are almost identical. It's just the personal assistant doesn't type.
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I guess, not taking dictation anyway. But in any case, like
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all that, if you're a guy and a birthday card goes around and it
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doesn't make it to your desk and you don't track it down and sign it,
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well, you must have done that because you're a man and you're insensitive.
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It's not that you were accidentally excluded. But if you do the birthday
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card and you forget to get it to somebody's desk and they get left out
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of this signing, it's your fault because you know, obviously you forgot about
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them, right, and it's not theirs unless it's another guy, and then
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he should attract you, because obviously a guy's not going to do the job
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right. Like that's. Women will find a way to blame men for any
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time there is a failing at anything that they consider to be emotional labor,
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and to blame men for not keeping up with everything. That women decide needs
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to be done. That really isn't part of the job, right and so
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on. So yeah, I think it needs to be done. Part is
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really key there because so much in any of these articles you see talking about
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emotional labor and all that nonsense is like not necessarily stop that needs to get
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done right this moment. Like I remember reading an article where somebody was complaining
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that you know, there was something left on the floor for a while,
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and it's like, you know it, if it really bothers you that much,
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then you can go ahead and pick it up and put it away like
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it's it's if it's not in the middle of the road, then you know,
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you can't get mad at somebody for not seeing it as a big deal,
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right if it's If it's something that's not explicitly necessary, then you know,
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stop complaining when other people don't put as high of a priority on it
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as you do. Like it's just get used to it. That that's life,
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man. No, yeah, exactly. And something as simple as like
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it's picking something up in the floor, that's physical labor, not emotional labor.
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But here's what they do with this term emotional labor. It's not about
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making everyone else around you feel okay. It's about you making yourself feel okay
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in a situation right because I guarantee you anyone who's talking, who talks like
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this, they're probably the problem person in the office. Everybody else is just
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getting along just fine, you know. But oh, we have to have
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social coha. We have to celebrate everyone's birthday. Oh past the past,
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the card around them hitting. What does this have to do with work?
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You know, it's I don't, I don't. It's like they come to
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work and this is kind of daycare for themselves, you know, when when
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they're not busy doing actual work, they busy themselves with things like this.
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You know, it just gets in the way. You're clogging up the system.
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Lady, shut up. They get mad when nobody else does the same
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thing. Yeah, old physical labor is also emotional labor, because if you
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don't do it, then you're gonna leave this gap in physical labor. People
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are gonna scramble to fill in, and in the meantime they're gonna get quite
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emotional about what what the hell we're gonna do about filling in this gap of
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physical labor that's not being done. Emotional labor cannot be called physical labor because
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it literally is it's just some thinking about something. I sit here and then
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listen to women talking about emotional labor and office jobs and retail jobs and stuff
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like that, and think of air traffic controllers like, literally, you make
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the wrong mistake and you know, two hundred people die, Like that's that's
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emotional labor. That is one of the highest stress jobs, and nervous breakdowns
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are not rare in in that profession, right, But we're supposed to feel
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sorry for the person who happens to be female in the internship when it is
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the job of the intern to get coffee for the people in the office.
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And you know, the fact that if the person was male they would still
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have to get coffee is not relevant to the fact that it's sexist to make
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a woman go get coffee, you know, or or because it's more likely
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to be female, right, because it's a serious business, right or you
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know, I like, I could probably complain about this if I was a
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feminist. I actually part of the reason I'm able to do this today is
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when I worked at that gas station, I applied to be a cashier,
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but they hired me to be a The job was actually called coffee steward when
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I started, and it became food steward, So anybody that's worked for that
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company, you know which company I'm talking about. I was on the sales
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floor a lot. I had to give out free samples of food. Part
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of my job was to smile at the customers and talk to them and make
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them comfortable and welcome in the store. And it was like I, I
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course, was very shy and didn't didn't like approaching people and everything. And
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I had to develop as a skill the ability to walk up to somebody and
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say, hey, would you like to try a sample of you know,
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this type of sandwich or you know. And I went from being unable to
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do the job when I first started to being able to get pizzas that I
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cooked out of the turbo chef oven and walk out into a sales floor that
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was packed with construction workers and hold it up over my head and say I
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got hot, fresh pepperoni pizzas right out of the oven. And you know,
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of course they'd all come flocking over and I would have no pizzas left
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in two seconds flat. And it worked, but that meant that people were
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paying attention to me directly, and I was never comfortable with that, and
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that was something that feminists would be like, oh you were I had emotional
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labor and pulls on you because you were a female. You know. Yeah,
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And it did me a hell of a lot of good too. I
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like, I actually I actually developed as a person because of that in ways
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that I hadn't been it. It really saved my butt in terms of,
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you know, being asked later to do this. Because I'll be honest,
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when I first started with with Honey Badger Radio, I would I would almost
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throw up before every show. It's just nerves stage fright, right, But
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I could do it because of my experience in retail, and women complaining about
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that are full of shit, right. You develop skills, you gain capabilities
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and knowledge, you develop as a person in a job like this, And
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it is nothing compared to, like I said, what an air traffic controller
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goes through, or what a person that works at the customer service desk at
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Walmart goes through. In comparison to so somebody were getting a gas station,
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Well, it always just kind of uh oh you cut off prim Prim,
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Well that's weird. I was gonna say it just kind of. It's like
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people trying to fluff up their their job duties, right, It's it's like,
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I don't know, like whatever their job title is is not is not
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important enough, so they're trying to make it sound important by adding, oh,
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I have to do all of this emotional labor work. It's like,
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no, sorry, that's just part of the job. If you want more
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prestige in your work, if you want to get paid more like this article
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is claiming, then you know, maybe you should go and try and find
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another job that pays you the amount that you're looking for, that doesn't require
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the amount of emotional labor that you obviously have such a problem with. Like,
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you know, go become a construction worker or physical laborer or something that
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doesn't involve a lot of conversation. You're not doing that. Oh my goodness.
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I wonder why management itself could be called emotional labor, because that's what
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managing is. It's it's managing well, not just thetions, but the general
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teamwork of you and your team. But managers also known as a boss,
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is not going to get away with saying well, I'm just here to do
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emotional labor. No, you're not we're here to leave the team. You're
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here to prevent everything from from from going to ship. But a human resources
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worker, when pressed might very well say, well, what I do is
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emotional labor, because everyone wants to compare what they do with labor, because
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because labor is another word for work, and everyone does work, and everyone
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wants to say what they do is the equivalent to what the guys in the
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warehouse are doing. But what the guys in the warehouse do you mean?
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Guys, what the guys in the warehouse are doing is actual labor because it
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means physical labor. That's that's all it's ever meant. That's that's why communists
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call their party the labor Party. There you go. In that sense,
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emotional labor is kind of a contradiction in terms when you think about it.
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Yeah, and and the worst part about this is it's not even that,
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you know, they want to try to find some kind of salvation in you
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know, making the world a better place, or at least the work environment
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a better place. What this is actually doing is they are stifling themselves from
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their own personal growth. Okay, so instead of meeting a challenge and taking
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it on at his head and you know, learning and be just just exactly
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what you were just talking about, becoming a better person by by learning something
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new, learning a new skill, overcoming an obstacle. These type of people
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don't want to do that. They will stand on this, Oh, I'm
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doing emotional labor as if it means anything in the real world. No,
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you are just trying to you're trying to excuse away your own uh, your
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own willingness to just succumb to being a failure. Well, I mean even
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more than that. Like, I think that a lot of people that kind
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of espouse this attitude, like you know, the normal things that they're doing
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in work as being some kind of emosional labor like it really they're just suffering
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from main character syndrome. Yeah, like as though as though everybody else and
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their dog doesn't have to do this exact same sort of thing. Right.
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It's like, how when you see this conversation coming up in terms of like
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housework, it's it's it's why you never see them kind of talking about oh,
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well, single guys living on their own. Oh, it's like,
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how do they ever get get a without a woman's supposed emotional labor managing all
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the household stuff. Right, So she goes on with we might comfort ourselves
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with the notion that emotional laborers are rewarded through love and praise, but such
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praise is generally hollow and can hide galling working conditions. Thus, essential healthcare
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workers were applauded during the COVID nineteen pandemic. Yeah, that was. That
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was actually really embarrassing because they didn't just do it for say, the people
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who worked on the COVID ward in the hospital. I got applauded for doing
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what I was already doing in an environment that wasn't any more dangerous the day
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after we found out about COVID, or the month or the year after we
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found out about COVID than it was before we found out about COVID. Uh.
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So that that was. That was embarrassing. But remember the evening cheers
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and pop banging, and they had parades in some places past hospitals and stuff
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with first responders and everything. And yet the federal government never mandated hazard pay,
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which uh I don't. I don't know if the federal government actually mandates
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hazard pay for other things or not, but I do know I do know
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that hazard pay is given at jobs where it is not mandated by the federal
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government, But you can't get people to do that job without offering hazard pay.
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I just want to know how much we can deduct for all the time
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they spent doing the fucking TikTok dances. Yeah, uh, hazard pay.
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They see to be having a pretty fucking good time. And I'm not listening.
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I'm not I'm not trying to diminish any body situation. I know that
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there were God it wasn't a good thing that happened, okay, but the
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the over inflation of it, and just the blatant broadcasting of how flagrant they
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were being with the information when it is right there in front of your face
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and they just put it all out on social media like hey, yeah,
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no, I'm sorry. This is a bone that I will forever have to
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pick with the healthcare industry and the government and all of these people who were
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involved. God damn emotional labor h and at all honesty when when it comes
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to the healthcare thing, if you consider emotional labor to be part of the
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job, you have to remember a few things about this. First of all,
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the person who gets blamed if you get go go seek medical attention,
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and you don't get better is the doctor. And if you're dealing with a
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specialist, like an infectious disease specialist, that actually that's usually a man.
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Yeah, you know then, And what people don't understand about that situation is
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they're not They're not just medical practitioners, right, they are generals in a
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war. This isn't you know to do with COVID anymore. There are so
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many antibiotic resistant bacteria out there that are dangerous, and there are some that
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are not just resistant, they're basically antibiotic proof. There's a some that there
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are no treatment for, treatments available for that that will kill the bacteria.
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There's viruses that are far worse than COVID nineteen that they're they're trying to fight
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with. And a lot of these things have overlapping symptoms and it's a mystery
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to try to figure out what's going on with the patient in a lot of
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situations. And then you also have circumstances where you have to tell a patient,
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well, you have a bacterial infection, and at first the patient looks
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relieved because like, oh, you got a bacterial infection. You just take
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some antibiotics, it'll get better. And then you have to say, there's
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no treatment for this one. There's there's nothing we can do, and this
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is what's going to happen, and and sometimes it's very unpleasant. And uh,
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there's one particular type of bacteria that's developed a biological mechanism that when you
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take antibiotics for it fires off this biological mechanism like a missile at the molecules
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of antibiotic and it reacts with them and turns them into something else. And
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water, and how how chemicals reaction work. Chemical reactions work, and and
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it's no longer poisonous to the bacteria, so they're shooting at us actually,
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and and medical science has had to develop a one two punch of drugs that
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first takes out those missiles, those biological missiles, before it treats the bacteria.
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And this is what they're working with, right, They're not working with
31:47
just oh you have cold A, we're gonna prescribe b you know. No,
31:52
it's it's all about actual warfare and weaponry and stuff like that. And
31:59
so I have a lot a lot more respect for specialists and people who work
32:02
in say the the ICU, or in treating infectious diseases like those those antibiotic
32:10
resistant bacteria than I do. Like, my job is not that hard.
32:17
I I don't understand why people so are so intimidated by it. It's like
32:22
being somebody's older sister, and and I like it, and it's fulfilling,
32:28
proud to do it and all of that. But like the day I had
32:32
somebody meet me outside and clap for me like I had done something unusual,
32:40
I wanted to crawl into a hole like I don't need this. But have
32:45
you? But have you ever been a mother in heterosexual marriages? Yeah?
32:51
No, that's the next one. I don't even want to. It's sad
32:54
like they do that and then they come along with this right mother. Thus,
32:58
mother's in heterosexual marriage are allotted for being selfless, but are often expected
33:01
to shoulder more responsibilities for their family, including when they formally work full time.
33:08
Oh gee, did you have kids you didn't want to take care of?
33:15
Lady, I'm so sorry you. And did you retain custody of children
33:21
that you didn't want to take care of? Oh? You poor thing?
33:23
You know. I just I don't have a violin small enough for this.
33:30
I don't like we have in the United States, we have had legal abortion.
33:39
Since the year of my birth right, we have had safe haven abandonment
33:46
all that time. We have had the adoption system all that time. Fathers
33:51
can have custody of children. If you don't want to take care of your
33:53
child, leave the child with the father or other family members. It's all
33:59
there. All of that exists. But oh, I gotta, I gotta
34:05
put this up in the in the window. But but yeah, let's see
34:10
if I can. It's just perfect because I just this this drawing for somebody
34:17
else, so it's it's exactly fitting. Oh wow, it came up huge,
34:22
huge. Oh we're crying prim with the violet. That violin is way
34:29
too big for this problem. If you if you have a custody of a
34:32
child, your mother and you have custody of a child, you chose that
34:37
right. And if you're working mom and you have custody of a child,
34:40
you chose that. It's it's not emotional labor, it's you chose that.
34:47
Yeah. Like and anybody that that goes into parenting thinking that it's going to
34:54
be like, you know, easy, breezy, the children are always going
34:59
to be angel all the time and you're never going to have any difficulty in
35:01
raising them is like, oh boy, are you in ride there, lady?
35:08
Like, my goodness, gracious. And that that just accounts for the
35:15
women that even you think that far A lot of them don't. A lot
35:20
of them don't. They don't even think that far ahead. It's just why
35:23
I'm having a baby. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. You can just
35:30
lock it in a room somewhere, right, no big deal, Oh my
35:34
gosh. Like and and you know, those those things are all uh,
35:40
those things are all decisions, all choices. Everything that you dedicate yourself to,
35:45
you have dedicated yourself to on purpose. That's a choice. Right.
35:50
We do have some some super chows and chats. I'll catch up on those
35:52
and then we'll move on. Meredith g gave us five dollars and said,
35:57
HBr talked to eighty two honey for the Badgers. Richard Bierre gave us five
36:00
dollars and said, in humongous text here prim Lauren had a doc. Hazard
36:07
pay is usually often a suspension of payroll taxes, or at least in the
36:12
military it is. And well there is also there are jobs where if you
36:17
work in certain parts of the plant, or if you do certain things,
36:22
you get an additional writer you on your paycheck because of it, Like your
36:29
base pay for this factory is say fifteen dollars an hour, which if you
36:34
work at a factory and you're only making fifteen dollars an hour, it's not
36:36
a good one. But use a specific machine, you get an extra five
36:42
dollars, you know, yeah, or they'll probably or they'll do something like
36:46
give you much better life insurance, right, you know that plus a better
36:53
salary. Yeah. Yeah, And and people might not think of that as
36:59
a as a perk, but it's more expensive to pay for a larger amount
37:05
of life insurance, so you know, that's that's actually it's actually a good
37:12
benefit to have, especially if you have a family that relies specifically on your
37:17
income. For you know, if you're a breadwinner, life insurance is vital,
37:22
absolutely vital. I knew, Oh, go ahead, I was gonna
37:30
say. I knew a young guy out in California who worked on an oil
37:34
refinery and basically what his job was to, you know, watch the meters
37:39
and look out and that that really was, you know, do some some
37:45
checks and you know, every once in a while whatever. But he was
37:50
making so much money. He owned his own home and he was well into
37:55
his twenties, owned his own homes, buying another one, you know,
38:00
didn't have kids. But god, I can't imagine if he's still working there,
38:04
how much money he's worth right now, because jobs like that they're rare,
38:10
but you can make some really good money if you know what you're doing
38:16
and you know which positions to look for. You know, you can kind
38:20
of stay away from the more dangerous positions and still find a way that you
38:25
know, at least find a good pension plan. Yeah, you know in
38:31
the industry, So yep. We at the gas station I used to work
38:36
at had a shift differential for third shift because if somebody was going to rob
38:40
the store, they were usually going to come in at about three thirty four
38:44
o'clock in the morning to do it like that was the that was the shooting
38:49
hour, because that's when the store is the most dead at that particular corner.
38:55
So I just realized the next sentence of phone, yeah, we're gonna,
39:00
we're gonna get there, but I'm gonna I'm gonna do one more super
39:04
super chat. First we have Landrey gave us five dollars and said, el
39:07
managing emotions at work. So if I fart passing my feminist co workers in
39:13
the break room, making an effort to feel bad as emotional labor. Right,
39:19
Okay, so I will read the next regarding the next paragraph, though,
39:22
like I had to check in the actual article that you didn't accidentally like
39:25
squaw gip something. I know. This is such a lead. What right,
39:30
she goes? She goes from this, Thus, mothers in heterosexual marriages
39:32
are alauded for being selfless, but are often expected to shoulder more responsibilities.
39:37
Blah blah blah. Right, then she says, thus, millions of white
39:43
families historically relied on the racist trope of the mammy to pretend their relationship with
39:49
non white female domestic workers was one of sentimental bond not labor exploitations. Like
39:55
what, yeah, I'm I'm a sharing I'm assuming she's talking about upper class
40:05
people that had domestic servants in their home, like maids and butlers and whatever
40:13
else people hire when they have lots of money, As you know, that
40:17
constitutes an average experience. My goodness me, you know, and the whole
40:27
mammy thing. I'm not quite sure you know this. This seems like a
40:31
Southern thing because when you look at stories about this or that nanny or what's
40:38
the French term, oh pair that people use that. I almost always see
40:45
a white chick who's like in her twenties. Yeah, basically a babysitter.
40:54
If you're poor, you call them babysitters and you only use them for a
40:57
few hours at a time because you want to spend time with your kids and
41:01
you have to fight for that. But I guess if you're wealthy, you
41:06
have other terms. I don't think I've ever heard of anybody using that term
41:12
mammy during my lifetime. I don't. I don't know if it was used
41:16
during my parents' lifetime aside from in cartoons. Yeah. Yeah, but like
41:25
I said, that's it. That's way outside of my experience. Thus,
41:30
in white color work environments, corporate leaders are celebrated if they demonstrate the supposedly
41:37
rare gift of high emotional intelligence or EQ, even though emotional labor is continuously
41:45
expected of and performed by women and minority workers at all levels. Right,
41:50
So that means so that means that men are just incapable of doing it,
41:53
just because you know women and minority is doing more. They shut the men
42:00
don't have emotions, so how could they possibly possibly do emotional Oh, but
42:05
they can do it under the right motivation. Yeah, we we let something
42:12
slip under the white radar here. I just I just want to highlight that
42:15
one phrase, right, women and minority workers. What they are saying is
42:22
everybody but white men. Mm hmm. So what they're saying there is white
42:29
men are uniquely incapable of having empathy and compassion for other people. They were
42:36
accusing white men of being social paths. They can they they just go fuck
42:46
themselves in my opinion, But you know, I guess I must be an
42:51
honorary white man. But yeah, so so everybody but white men. And
42:58
apparently being an leader ship position means you can't be female or a minority,
43:06
like there are no black CEOs, There are no female CEOs, there are
43:08
no Native American CEOs, none of that. None. I just want to
43:16
know what world these people live in, Like, you know what, No,
43:21
I don't. I take that. I don't sounds horrible world. It's
43:28
upside down and it's full of clowns. You don't want to know. It's
43:32
like the DMT world, except as much less inviting could could possibly be the
43:39
Benadryl world. That's a kind of a scary place too, especially if you
43:44
have a achnophobia. Studies have found that while a man wants to ascend in
43:51
corporate settings, who wants to ascend in corporate settings must act both competent and
43:54
confident. A woman must act competent and confident and display feminine other oriented traits.
44:04
Huh yeah, Uh, I'm I have my doubts. I'm I'm I'm
44:09
pressing X here because I have a feeling that those traits are taken for granted
44:15
when men display them and ignored. Uh, but we pay attention to them
44:21
when women do them. Yeah, exactly. And it's it's just like how
44:25
in the corporate world for men, if you're married and have children, you're
44:31
more likely to get promoted because your employer sees you as someone who is a
44:37
steady, stable worker, who's going to come in to work every day faithfully
44:42
and have something to invest because he's got responsibilities. But they don't talk about
44:49
where's the fucking there's no emotional labor they are. No, it's just all
44:52
fucking labor because he's got to pay. He's got to work to pay for
44:58
his responsibilities. These peppers choose to work and they impose their emotional labor on
45:07
everyone else by their mere fucking existence, because they're a drained to fucking society.
45:13
Just like, just shut up, people, Nobody needs another manager.
45:19
You don't need a people manager. My god, we can do this just
45:23
fine. Yeah, I do remember a time where people were able to have
45:30
conversations coworkers. Imagine my shock, you know, and and not have to
45:37
call in here we go. Sorry. Emotional labor is sitting in on a
45:45
meeting and listening to a room full of your female coworkers who all have a
45:51
habit of leaving period blood on the toilet seat in a common restroom, complain
45:57
that urine is on the floor because you miss when you when you urinated,
46:01
and then finding out that oh no, actually the toilet is leaking, you
46:07
know, and and that I've I've sat in that workplace and had to be
46:13
the person that said, no, actually it's not it's not him, the
46:15
toilet's leaking. I found where it's coming from, and uh, I've stuffed
46:21
some some paper in there until maintenance can get in. But could could y'all
46:24
please make sure you look at the seat after you change your pad, because
46:29
I'm cleaning period blood off every night and and that shut everybody up. And
46:37
and the one guy on our team just sort of sat there like, wow,
46:45
you know, I got accused of of peeing on the floor at at
46:50
the age of fifty something, and and and by by women who aren't cleaning
46:53
up after themselves, and couldn't say anything because if you know, they could,
46:59
they could They could stereotype him that way, and they could ignore what
47:02
they were doing, and they could create an unsafe work environment for everyone by
47:08
leaving a bodily fluid that is considered dangerous because you don't know whose it is
47:15
or what's in it. Right, But if he said anything about any of
47:20
that, it would have been an HR visit and he had to just sit
47:24
there and endure that. That's emotional labor that we ignore when men deal with
47:31
that shit we ignore when men deal with five hundred comments a day of men.
47:40
Am I right, cheese? They don't understand anything, dumb shits,
47:45
you know, like I'm so tired of men. I hate men, this,
47:47
that and the other, and blah blah blah from women talking over the
47:52
cooler, women on the phone, women talking to each other, you know,
47:57
in the background of their workplace, and so on, complaining about their
48:00
boyfriends and their husbands complaining about this male customer or that male client or that
48:07
male colleague or so on. But you know, she had to buy coffee
48:15
for the meeting this week like everybody else does, and she should have been
48:20
exempt because she was a woman, so you know, emosional labor. She
48:27
had to walk to work through all the cat calling. MD I get cat
48:34
called every time I come home now, but it's from real cats. So
48:39
we're doing the work of there's some stray cats in our neighborhood and we've been
48:46
acclimating them to human proximity and everything and trying to get as many of them
48:52
rehomed as we can before winter. And there's a couple of them that it's
48:58
not going to be possible to rehome them, but we've been feeding them and
49:01
you know, they're they're in better condition, and they'll find warm places their
49:07
adults, they'll find more warm places in the winter time to sleep and stuff.
49:13
And we can't bring them in here because besides me being allergic to them
49:16
and us having an environment that's not cat safe. Right now, it will
49:22
cost us one hundred and forty bucks deposit, plus an extra forty bucks a
49:24
month. But but every day when I come home from work now I am
49:30
greeted by three meowing cats. Hi, we know you go to feed us.
49:37
So it was eleven. So we've we've narrowed it down quite a bit.
49:45
And you can only have so many good, you know, stray cats
49:46
in the neighborhood before you have to do something like that, because otherwise you
49:51
end up with a serious problem of them. They'll get into the trash,
49:53
and they'll get into people's homes. They'll they'll find areas where there's the start
50:00
of a hole in the wall and then you have a real hole in the
50:02
wall and a cat inside the insulation area in the wall of your of your
50:08
home. Not a good thing. I mean, they will murder all kinds
50:13
of local wildlife. Well, I don't mind that. People don't like to
50:19
confront just how much, just how mass murderous cats really are and it's in
50:25
their nature. But if any human acted like a cat did, they would
50:31
be arrested for mass murder. And it's fine because they're cats, they're not
50:36
humans. Whatever, it's what the it's what they're designed to do. They
50:38
go out every night when if you have a kitty door and you allow them
50:45
to leave, which many people do, which is which is good because if
50:52
they come back to you, then they really do love you. But meanwhile,
50:55
while you're asleep, they're running around all over the neighborhood murdering all kinds
51:00
of small animals. As long as as long as they're only murdering the pet,
51:09
it's fine. But you don't know what they're murdering. There are so
51:13
many species that have got extinct because of cats, because people go to these
51:17
isolated islands and they go with a ship's cat, and as soon as the
51:21
ship's cat gets off the ship, they've extincted another species of bird. This
51:28
keeps happening, you see, you see like he says this, right,
51:32
he makes me feel bad because the cats in the house and I don't let
51:36
her out. Explain all the murderous and tortuous things that my cat would do
51:43
should I let her outside. Now, I'm not saying that about a lot
51:52
a lot of domesticated cats real they are just scared of the outside, like
51:57
Lawrence cat like, because I can go on about how you shouldn't deny an
52:02
animal access to the outside world. But Lauren's cat doesn't want to go outside.
52:08
She seems to be quite scared of it. And I don't know where
52:14
I follow on that. If you can make them scared enough of the outside,
52:17
well then they won't go out into it, and all sorts of things.
52:21
But different cats actually very different person. Sorry, it might be it
52:28
might be natural. Because of the three cats that are that are left that
52:32
that regularly come to see us, there is one who has taken up residence
52:38
on our front porch and just you know, like as soon as you walk
52:42
out the door, he's right there, and uh, he's he's declared that
52:46
he lives here now and that's it right, and and everybody that comes up
52:52
to the house must pay the pet the cat toll or or be hissed at
52:55
if if they appear to be threatening to the people. He defended my husband
53:01
from his boss when they were trying to just have a conversation. So that
53:07
was like, and then we have one that will not come out from under
53:10
the vehicles to say hi, that comes up, like you have to shove
53:15
the food under the vehicle and the cat will munch on it and everything.
53:17
And that's the closest that cat will get, which is much closer than before
53:22
because before she wouldn't approach at all. And then there's one that's sort of
53:27
in between, right, And when I was on allergy shots and had three
53:32
cats living in my home with me with when I was living with my parents,
53:38
there were three different reactions to the door opening. There was one cat
53:43
that would run like hell to get away from the potential outside, and she
53:49
was just absolutely terrified and that was the only time she ever got any exercise
53:52
was running away from the open door so she didn't have to go outside.
53:57
There was one cat that had a four block radius teary that she patrolled every
54:01
day. And there was one cat that would just go outside and roll around
54:06
in the grass for a while and come back in the house. And nobody
54:08
trained any of them to be that way. They just that was their personalities.
54:12
So they're they're like kids in some ways, and I it's they're very
54:16
different from each other. And it would have been abuse to keep Tabarella inside
54:22
and away from her her four block radius territory, and it would have been
54:25
abused to try to make Jewels go outside. She was she was. She
54:30
was just the most timid little thing. Uh. But in any case,
54:35
you know that again, these are and this this woman who wrote this story
54:39
would describe understanding that as a feminine trait. But it was really kind of
54:45
my dad that that pointed out, you know, this is just this is
54:50
just the way cats are. Some are like this and some are like that,
54:52
and uh, you know this is they have personalities. They're just not
55:00
dictated by what dictates human personalities. It's more more primal than that. But
55:07
she says, studies have found that while a man who wants to oh I
55:10
wrote that must act yeah, simply leaning and is not enough, she must
55:15
also provide emotional labor. I genuinely think that people just ignore it when men
55:25
display the traits that she thinks women have to display, and women complain about
55:31
it like it's work, whereas men just do it because they're expected to.
55:40
She says. The double standard holds for minorities, including men of color,
55:44
who, like all underrepresented groups, often invest the time consuming emotional labor of
55:49
looking out for the community and enabling progress. A black male professor, for
55:52
instance, will make himself available to mentorship with minority students, going above and
55:58
beyond to follow through on diversity promises, while others at the university do not
56:04
put in the work, and this is another one. So diversity promises are
56:12
basically tokenism. And so what she's basically saying here is that it's up to
56:22
up to people from the groups that get tokenized to support tokenism. And and
56:30
that's bad. But in my opinion, tokenism shouldn't be happening, right,
56:37
and mentorship shouldn't be based on race. So she's demanding something, demanding credit
56:45
for something that is bad, right, And I'm guessing that not all black
56:52
male professors will act the same way, you know, much in the same
56:58
way that not all female professors or even all white male professors will act the
57:02
same way. So it's kind of a silly thing to state. Yeah,
57:08
I mean it's you know, yet again, it's just the whole How can
57:14
we raise any of these minority groups on a pedestal and claim that they're doing
57:21
you know, X, y z more work than their compatriots when there's really
57:25
no like this is just like an anecdote at this point. And so yeah,
57:35
and yet, the ability to care, connect and empathize has little to
57:39
do with inherent ability tied to gender or ethnicity, and much to do with
57:44
motivation. Women and minorities are quote motivated to perform emotional labor under the duress
57:49
of discrimination that often penalizes them through denied opportunities if they withhold it. To
57:53
use a high profile example, it is hard not to think of tennis legends
57:59
Serena Willilliams and the myriad sanctions and double standards she endured throughout her career,
58:05
penalties that cost her real championships. Such treatment is only too familiar to non
58:13
public facing women and people of color who understand it they could face backlash if
58:16
they fail to perform in supportive, self effacing way. So I'm assuming they're
58:22
talking about penalties for temper tantrums and stuff. But these are things that get
58:28
applied regardless of gender. So apparently because she's a woman, she's supposed to
58:32
be exempt from those I don't understand where she's getting this characterization of people like
58:45
it makes not whatsoever. Yeah, tennis player, and as a female tennis
58:59
player, she's now more privileged than a male tennis player. They only have
59:04
to play two sets, Men have to play three, Men have to play
59:07
for longer. Men draw bigger audiences, and yet women are paid the same
59:12
as them for fewer sets and smaller audiences. That's that's female privilege, and
59:20
yet it's I think this is someone still trying to present that predicament as female
59:27
oppression or something. It's feminists snatching victimhood from the jaws of privilege. As
59:35
feminists I want to do it's We've done this so many times it's almost boring,
59:43
but it will never be boring because it's always so fucking urgent that people
59:47
don't see what's going on in Yeah. Yeah, This is where the article
59:52
gets repetitive. This paragraph, I'm gonna skip because she just she just said
59:58
all of this. Basically, the men and women can both do emotional labor.
1:00:06
So I'm going to skip down to the paragraph that starts recognizing emotional labor
1:00:09
at work. Recognizing emotional labor at work means identifying employees who engage in a
1:00:15
positive relation in positive relationship management with people inside and outside an organization. It
1:00:22
means looking for people who actively enable smooth collaboration and teamwork, who are flexible
1:00:27
and adaptable, and who show an ability to anticipate needs, exercise patients,
1:00:30
and focus on the bigger picture through shifting environments and levels of pressure. How
1:00:36
do this not describe what men do in management positions? What men do in
1:00:42
ownership positions just as much as what women do right, she includes. She
1:00:49
goes on to say these skills lead to a to more rational decision making and
1:00:53
benefit workplaces internally as well as the reputation of institutions externally. Strong brand,
1:01:00
like a strong community, is not magically conveyed, but is built by individuals
1:01:05
through real hard work and through emotional labor, a point the sociologist Arlie Russell
1:01:14
Hothchild hush Child made in her book The Managed Heart, in which she documented
1:01:21
how flight attendants emotional labor shaped airlines entire brands. So how can workplaces start
1:01:28
paying for emotional labor? So she gets to the last we're talking the last
1:01:34
four paragraphs Here, she says in pink collar industries, high quality wages would
1:01:38
ensure worker recruitment and retention and occupations that cannot be automated. They would help
1:01:45
mitigate the impending multi trillion dollar care crisis, which concerns us all. In
1:01:52
the medium term, a federal guaranteed income and an expansion of our legal understanding
1:01:58
of the workplace to include domestic sphere would address gendered poverty and pay pay inequality,
1:02:05
and would redress a century long oversight in labor law that has been shown
1:02:09
to intentionally exclude women and people of color. Such policies, combined with paid
1:02:15
parental leave and universal childcare, are necessary to create an environment that accurately accurately
1:02:22
rewards emotional labor. So I just want to point out what she has said
1:02:28
here is that in workplaces where the work that the individual is doing do not
1:02:37
necessarily make a profit for the employer, because there's only there's a limit to
1:02:42
how much the employer can bring in from that job. People who have jobs
1:02:49
who pay for somebody else to take care of their children cannot spend their whole
1:02:52
paycheck on that right, or it's not worth paying somebody else to take care
1:02:58
of their children so they can go to work. People who are in lifelong
1:03:02
care are often reliant, reliant on taxpayer funded medical payments like Medicare, Medicaid,
1:03:13
the universal health care systems in the UK and Canada. They don't pay
1:03:19
a lot of money to people who do the types of work that a nurse's
1:03:24
aid does, or like my job, the direct support for professional job,
1:03:29
because we are serving low income clients. We are serving low income patients,
1:03:36
and it's just not feasible to say we want a lot of money for that.
1:03:39
If you go into that for the money, you're going into it for
1:03:43
the wrong reasons. And so I just the point I'm making here is what
1:03:47
they are saying is that the government must subsidize women's lifestyle choices. I really
1:03:59
wish that these women would stop giving me a reason to stand firm when I
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say repeal the Nineteenth. Okay, you know, I'm sorry, but the
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things that women vote for are the things that are spiraling this goddamn society into
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the toilet. And I'm so sick of it. They just come up with
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more and more excuses to get more and more funding from the taxpayers aka society,
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which is mostly men who mostly pay into the goddamn taxes, and for
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what, for what? To make them feel I I Jesus, I can't.
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I'm sorry. This is a real conversation that needs to fucking happen.
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Yeah. There was a video that I saw early this morning or maybe yesterday.
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It was a Twitter video, and this guy is going around he said
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he's trying to get signatures to and Women's Suffragettes and Women's Suffrage and and so
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he gets the chicken. She's like, oh, oh yeah, and women's
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suffrage. Oh yeah, sure, I'll sign up for that. Well,
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but and it's just so indicative of what is actually happening. The term suffrage
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sounds bad to women, So oh my god, how how can you how
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can you make a suffer? Yes, we must end that, we must
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do it. Well, it's because they're uneducated, dumbasses. I mean,
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like, I don't have a better way to describe this, that the I
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think the same guy managed to go around and get women to agree, uh
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to support force trimester abortion, which is abortion after birth. So I just
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want to point out, based on these last two paragraphs, and I'm not
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gonna gonna read the last two paragraphs out because they're essentially the same thing as
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the paragraph I just read, but repeated with regard to white collar and stuff.
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This whole article, this whole complaint, and the entire feminist complaint of
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emotional labor, the pink tax, the wage gap myth, all of that
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stuff, the pink tax myth, wage gap myth, the emotional labor myth.
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They are all just gendered sales pitches for socialism. They are gendered sales
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pitches for universal basic welfare, which I will not call universal basic income,
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because there is no such thing right as as a basic income. That said,
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it's a concept that is invented in people's minds that you know, you
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have a right to a minimum amount of income regardless of what you do,
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and it's bullshit. You vide value, you get paid, and if you,
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you know, if other people are not valuating what you do, it's
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not your right to determine that you're valuable to them. That's their right to
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determine whether you're valuable to them. So but but yeah, this this idea
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of quote unquote pink collar industries and all of that, it's all just made
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up. And the whole point of it, the entire meaning behind it,
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is demanding universal basic welfare, demanding subsidies for parents who who take jobs that
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don't pay enough to support their lifestyle choices and then want their kids in daycare,
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And demanding subsidies for people who want to take lower paying jobs that they
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like better than higher paying jobs that they don't like, or lower paying jobs
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that are less physical labor than the higher paying jobs they could take that are
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more physical labor, people who want weekends off, people who don't want to
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work third shift, or people who don't want to work second shift, people
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who you know, want to be able to take maternity leave, people who
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are are demanding things like period leave, like they're women demanding period leave now
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of all the stupid things, and embarrassing, especially considering the diversity and experience
1:08:27
of that phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, I think I would be embarrassed to
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even ask for such a thing because most of the time it's it's such a
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non issue. It's I mean, it just opens up the door. Oh
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my god, Oh yeah, Katie, she's on another one leave. Every
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time I have a runny nosh like I, you know, women getting saw
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other women get insulted when I make the comparison. But I will tell you
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this, Nobody ever thinks I'm sick because I'm on my period. Most people
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never know when that's happening unless they go into my bathroom and look in my
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trash can, right right. And And I am one of those women that
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feminists talk about when they say some women have a real rough time with it.
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And and it's because I've been in the in my history, I've been
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underweight, I've been overweight, I've had I've had points in my life where
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my abdominal muscles were very weak because I had a surgery where they were cut
1:09:34
in half to get a baby out. And and by the way, you
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know, if you do have that problem like planking, I can't advise enough.
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You don't have to do it for five minutes. Do it for thirty
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seconds and then rest a minute, you know, and and then build up
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to a minute or two. It's not that bad, but it makes a
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huge difference. And that kind of thing. You figure out ways to work
1:10:01
around these problems. Because you have it from the time you're a teenager until
1:10:08
after you become a grandma, well after you are done having babies. It
1:10:13
is perfectly normal. It's an every month part of your life. At some
1:10:17
point, you become accustomed to it, you learn to manage it, you
1:10:20
learn to deal with it, and you move on and it doesn't take away
1:10:25
from the rest of your life. It's not something weird or abnormal or burdensome
1:10:30
that everybody else should be paying attention to, and you should get time off
1:10:32
from work for unless you have a really serious health problem where you know,
1:10:39
like endometriosis can actually be an issue or things like that. For the layman,
1:10:45
endometriosis is where the body makes the tissue that usually grows inside the uterus
1:10:50
that creates the period and makes that outside of the uterus, and when you
1:10:57
get inflammation, it goes takes up your whole abdominal area and it's very painful
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and it's very different. Like that's a different story. That's a real health
1:11:05
problem. It's an adverse health condition. It's not just this happens to me
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every month. Right. So women making these kind of demands, they make
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them as if being female as a handicap, and they use them not to
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try to advance women's ability to contribute to the workforce and be taken seriously,
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but to demand socialist programs that subsidize specifically women's choices, women's demands, women's
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and we're supposed to not consider it emotional labor to have to pay extra taxes
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to fund this shit. I have two more super chats and are super chow.
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Sorry I don't have any more super chats. I don't think me double
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check, but yeah, I do have one more super chat. The whole
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article ignores men's emotional labor and is therefore are worded respect intended for him,
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not the author. Yeah, and then we have Richard Berre gave us five
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dollars and says, have you seen the preview ad for the movie about this
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black author who becomes a bestseller by altering the vernacular of his next book to
1:12:30
be the most stereotypical hood black style of communication. No, I could see
1:12:36
that. I don't know that that would be hard to read if you didn't
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usually speak in that vernacular. And then he says, gave another five dollars
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and said, tell me just what is the non oppressive standards of workplace conduct
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that would not be an overwhelming demand based placed upon female workers. Most people
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don't like to spend money with unpleasant people and terrible treatment of customers. That
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is true. Uh? And and how is it in an undue burden to
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do your job? Just do your job. That's what you paid to do,
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exactly, It's part of the job description. I'm sorry. If you
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don't feel us enough, you're free to seek other employment, right And and
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you don't need welfare to pay extra, you know, universal basic welfare to
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pay you extra for having feelings. So with that, I will thank my
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my co hosts for dealing with the emotional labor of going through this terrible article.
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Repetitive as shit too. And and I will thank all the listeners for
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the emotional labor of listening to us a bit about this article and and me
1:14:02
going on a rant about like this. That's that's the period talk you get
1:14:05
from me, Me going on a rant about women talking about their periods,
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and and that's the extent of what you get to hear about mine. I'm
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female and I have one blah, but uh. And thanks to everybody who
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works in the background and make HBr talk happen. You're good, idol night.