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#0276_ STORY INSPIRE: The Peptide Revolution — Anti-Aging, Human Performance & the Science of Longevity · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Dr. Craig Conover. Welcome. Thank you very much for having me, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited that you're here too.
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  Speaker 2: And so I guess we've known each other for two
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  Speaker 2: years already.
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  Speaker 1: I think about two years. Yeah. It feels like six months. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know. Well, time is a crazy thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Yeah. No, I think it's been about two
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  Speaker 1: years we've been working together. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my health has gotten a lot better in the
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  Speaker 2: last two years.
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  Speaker 1: Good to hear. So thank you for that. Yeah, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: It's an honor to work with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Likewise. Likewise. Yes. So Andrew Huberman connected us. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And we've been working together ever since.
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  Speaker 1: Not together. You've been my doctor ever since. It's an
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  Speaker 1: extreme pleasure and honor. Likewise. Likewise.
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  Speaker 2: But well, I'm going to go ahead and give you
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  Speaker 2: an introduction. We've got a lot of stuff to talk
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  Speaker 2: about today. So here we go. Dr. Craig Conover, 20
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  Speaker 2: years ago, you walked away from the disease-based model of
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  Speaker 2: medicine and founded Conover Wellness in Charleston, South Carolina, a
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  Speaker 2: science-driven practice focused on performance optimization and longevity. Since then,
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  Speaker 2: you've administered more than 50,000 peptide treatments, giving you what
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  Speaker 2: many consider a the most extensive clinical experience in biological
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  Speaker 2: optimization in the country. Your patients include Navy SEALs, Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame athletes, Fortune 100 executives, and members of Congress.
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  Speaker 2: At 46, a near fatal blood clot nearly took your life,
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  Speaker 2: changing not only your health, but the way you viewed
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  Speaker 2: medicine and performance overall.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: So before we get to it, we've got a couple
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  Speaker 2: of things to to knock out here.
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  Speaker 1: One, everybody gets a gift. Amazing.
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  Speaker 2: That's definitely not gonna help with your longevity, but they
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  Speaker 2: do taste pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite snack, I love gummy bears. Literally, perfect for me, seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Right on. Thank you. Right on. And then I.
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  Speaker 2: Got a Patreon account and that is, we've grown it
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  Speaker 2: into one hell of a community. I think we're like 200,000
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  Speaker 2: strong on there now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And so.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, You know, they are, when I started this thing,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't get anybody to, I had no advertisers, nobody
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do business with me.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, and so we started a Patreon account and have
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  Speaker 2: grown it into one hell of a community. So they've been,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these people have been with me since
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  Speaker 2: I was in the attic of my house. And, and
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  Speaker 2: then you see what it's grown into today and that's
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  Speaker 2: all because of these guys. So, One of the things
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  Speaker 2: I give them to give back is they get the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to ask every single guest a question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is from Eric Auger.
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  Speaker 2: If you had a healthy 45-year-old guy in your office
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  Speaker 2: who wanted to be as strong, healthy, and mentally sharp
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  Speaker 2: as possible for the next 40 years, what are the
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  Speaker 2: top five things you'd tell him to do?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, I still think the,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's, I'd mesh it some basics. And then
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  Speaker 1: some things that probably aren't basic. So I think everyone's
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  Speaker 1: familiar with sleep and how important sleep is, right? I
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  Speaker 1: think sleep is really challenging for people, particularly in the
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  Speaker 1: modern day. I think the trouble is, from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: people have sleep attachments. So they're very worried about going
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  Speaker 1: to sleep. And if they get enough sleep, what does
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  Speaker 1: it mean the next day if they only get four
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  Speaker 1: hours or six hours? And so then people end up
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  Speaker 1: turning to pharmaceuticals, for example, right? And now they're taking Ambien.
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  Speaker 1: And I have plenty of patients who maintain good sleep
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  Speaker 1: on these drugs. However, we just have to wonder what
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  Speaker 1: is that doing to them long-term and even more than that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're getting to the deep restorative
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  Speaker 1: sleep phases from these drugs that help them fall asleep.
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  Speaker 1: So first thing is kind of lose a sleep attachment,
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  Speaker 1: but find some things that you can take intermittently for sleep.
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  Speaker 1: I look at sleep as like some nights I'll take, Theanine,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of theanine right now. Some nights ashwagandha,
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  Speaker 1: some nights glycine. Different compounds that are natural, we can
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  Speaker 1: get into peptides for sure, that help promote not only
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  Speaker 1: falling asleep, but staying asleep. I think that's number one.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll get into further in the show about
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  Speaker 1: how important rest is, you know, for optimization, whatever that means.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be number one. Number two, I think the most
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  Speaker 1: important thing for people once you can sleep and have
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  Speaker 1: that foundation is changing what happens between your ears and
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  Speaker 1: changing your thought process, understanding that not every thought you
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  Speaker 1: think has to be true and forming more of an
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  Speaker 1: empowerment type of approach and being positive. I think I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk to you more about that because I
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  Speaker 1: think positivity is such a powerful tool that's not talked about,
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  Speaker 1: particularly in the longevity space. We talk about compounds. Number three,
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  Speaker 1: things that people can take. I think there's a few
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  Speaker 1: supplements that I think stand out to me that really
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  Speaker 1: help people. Number one is CoQ10, coenzyme Q10. It's this
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  Speaker 1: fat-soluble vitamin coenzyme, works in the mitochondria, really helps our
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  Speaker 1: mitochondria work more efficiently, which is the battery of the cell.
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  Speaker 1: As people get older, certainly someone who's in their 40s,
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  Speaker 1: tends to be more in the kind of decline, starting
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  Speaker 1: to decline, starting to be more in the degenerative phase.
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  Speaker 1: We're hoping to change people into the regenerative phase, which
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  Speaker 1: is possible. Um, but CoQ10 stands out, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: if anyone's gonna take one supplement, that's the one I promote. CoQ10. CoQ10.
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  Speaker 1: Roger that. Um, that'd be three things. Um, four, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'd get their hormones tested, you know? I
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  Speaker 1: think the most tangible aspect to human health as we
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  Speaker 1: age is hormonal decline, meaning once we get hormones balanced
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  Speaker 1: and optimized, it becomes more tangible. Um, for men, Testosterone.
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  Speaker 1: Testosterone is a big deal. And kind of optimizing and
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  Speaker 1: replacing testosterone is so important for women. I think the
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  Speaker 1: most important hormone is thyroid and making sure their thyroid
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  Speaker 1: is optimized. So that's number four. Number five, just because
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  Speaker 1: I believe in them so much, is figuring out peptides.
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  Speaker 1: They're such safe, safe, safe compounds. And utilize correctly and
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  Speaker 1: judiciously and individualizing that and figuring out what that is.
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  Speaker 1: can accelerate kind of getting into that regeneration phase. So
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  Speaker 1: those five things, I'd say. There's a follow on here. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I like this one.
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  Speaker 2: And what popular treatments or supplements would you tell him
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  Speaker 2: not to waste his money on?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question, too. You know, the way I...
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  Speaker 1: It's a good question because, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's promoting something these days.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know. You don't know. I think the thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I know we'll talk about it more, the thing
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  Speaker 1: that bothers me about whether you call it longevity or
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  Speaker 1: optimization performance medicine is kind of this model, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: call it the biohacker influencer model, which is screaming at
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  Speaker 1: people to do everything. And the idea is if you
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  Speaker 1: don't do everything, you don't do anything. And from where
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  Speaker 1: I sit, that's very stressful. And so I have people
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  Speaker 1: come into my office every day taking 47 supplements, doing sauna,
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  Speaker 1: cold plunge every single day, taking 16 peptides, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Doing all these things. It's almost as
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  Speaker 1: if they've become so fragile that they can't even lead
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  Speaker 1: their life. And so getting away from that mindset I
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  Speaker 1: think is the most important thing. There's not just everyone's
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  Speaker 1: so different, right? Like every certain people go through phases
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  Speaker 1: where they have to work on their liver detox. They
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  Speaker 1: have to work on figuring out their gut. They have
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  Speaker 1: to work on hormones. They have to work on their mitochondria.
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  Speaker 1: So it's hard to answer that. But I think from
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  Speaker 1: a mindset perspective, I'd encourage people not to get caught
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  Speaker 1: up in like, if you're not doing all these things
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  Speaker 1: that people are yelling at you to do, that's, that's
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  Speaker 1: a better place to be.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Is the, you brought it up cold plunge sauna.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is it overhyped? I think it's good. Again, to me,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's got to figure it out themselves, right? Like, I
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  Speaker 1: think there's good research on both, right? I'm personally not
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  Speaker 1: a fan of cold plunge. I don't like cold. So...
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  Speaker 1: Me neither. I just don't. So, is there health benefits
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  Speaker 1: from doing cold plunge? For sure. I think it's overdone
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that you have to cold plunge every
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  Speaker 1: day or you have to reach a certain temperature over
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  Speaker 1: a certain time period for it to count, you know?
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of people, you know, helping shepherd
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  Speaker 1: people to make decisions and try things out, because to me,
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  Speaker 1: direct experience is the only thing that matters. So I
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  Speaker 1: want people to try it out, right? Like, try out
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  Speaker 1: doing a sauna. How does it feel? Be really honest
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  Speaker 1: with yourself. I tend to like sauna. We have an
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  Speaker 1: infrared sauna. I used to do it all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I do it a couple times a week. I
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  Speaker 1: like how I feel, but I don't feel like I
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  Speaker 1: need to do it as much anymore. Cold plunge, I
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  Speaker 1: have lots of patients who do it religiously, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And I would just always ask the question, are you
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  Speaker 1: doing it because you're seeking alignment within yourself? Are you
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  Speaker 1: doing it because you're seeking permission? You know, are you getting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, allowance to do it? And I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a big differentiator there. Same thing with diet. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: diet's very personal to people. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: What's the best diet? I don't know, right? Like, I
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  Speaker 1: want you to try different diets, whether it's carnivore, vegan, vegetarian,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Mediterranean, paleo, keto. and see how you feel, right?
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  Speaker 1: And you're going to gravitate towards some at different points
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  Speaker 1: in your life and depending on what you're working on.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's great, you know, but there's whatever, 16
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  Speaker 1: different diet books written every year telling people how to eat.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's overdone. Right on. What about water? Water filtration.
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  Speaker 1: Water's complicated, yeah. I think water can get deep. You
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  Speaker 1: can go into lots of different facets. I think, first
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  Speaker 1: and foremost, what you said, people need to filter their water.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like, I don't ever drink tap water. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I just think that you're taking from... I can't stand
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  Speaker 1: it anymore. I go to a restaurant, and if it's
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  Speaker 1: tap water, I won't... I don't think it's healthy for
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  Speaker 1: people to drink. And if we look at it and
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  Speaker 1: analyze it, what's in that water? It's getting worse. It
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  Speaker 1: used to take... I'll probably throw a picture.
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  Speaker 2: Up here right now, but we got, me and my
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  Speaker 2: wife got a water filtration system for the first time,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, three or four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it used to take, the first thing it goes
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  Speaker 2: into is this clear filter, then it goes through these
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  Speaker 2: huge tanks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably reverse osmosis or something. And actually, it's not
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  Speaker 1: reverse osmosis. Oh, it's not? No, but.
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  Speaker 2: Supposedly it's better than that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know if there is or not. I
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  Speaker 2: like it, and I can tell a huge difference. But
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  Speaker 2: it goes through this clear thing first. It used to
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  Speaker 2: take a couple of months to get it. It used
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  Speaker 2: to take a couple of months for it to get gunk,
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  Speaker 2: like nasty looking. It's like two, three weeks now, and.
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  Speaker 1: The tank is brown. It just shows you. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's chlorine. There's particles floating in it. Yeah, and if
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  Speaker 1: you think about it, there's chlorines and fluorines and bromines.
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  Speaker 1: There's heavy metals. There's pharmaceuticals, right? Like, where does it go?
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  Speaker 1: Where people excrete all these pharmaceuticals they're taking? Into our
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  Speaker 1: water supply. There's fluoride, I said. I mean, there's so
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  Speaker 1: much junk and toxins and pesticides, glyphosate. It's all in there. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so, I think, to your point, filtering water, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but then you got to remineralize the water. You do
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  Speaker 1: need to remineralize. Mineralize, yeah. So, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the best way to get minerals. is from the water.
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  Speaker 1: So you can either, you know, use a water filter
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  Speaker 1: and remineralize. You could drink sparkling natural water, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that has minerals in it. But without those minerals, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could make an argument, and there's several ways you
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  Speaker 1: could do this, but you could make an argument that
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  Speaker 1: the decline of the human population over the last six
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  Speaker 1: years mirrors the loss of minerals from the soil, from
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  Speaker 1: our food. The human population is declining? For sure. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're devolving as this, you know, I think for sure
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  Speaker 1: we're devolving. We're not evolving, we're devolving. I thought you
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  Speaker 1: were talking about deaths. Well, I'm just talking about our health. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Our health and chronic disease and like... Is that the
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  Speaker 1: whole world? I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Have you, did you ever, I'm just curious, have you
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  Speaker 2: ever seen that documentary? I think it's called, it's something
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  Speaker 2: like Live to 100 or something like that. And they
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  Speaker 2: go to all these zones.
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  Speaker 1: Is it the blue zones? Yeah, is that what they
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  Speaker 1: call it? I know what you're talking about. There's like
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  Speaker 1: seven or nine blue zones around the world. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: like Japan. They tried... Italy's one of them. There's one
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  Speaker 1: in Italy, yeah. What are those people doing? I think
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  Speaker 1: they're doing many things, right? I think what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do now is they're trying to say, what exactly
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  Speaker 1: are those people doing to let them lead long lives? Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be genetic contribution, but I think if
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  Speaker 1: I had to pick one thing that those communities do
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  Speaker 1: is they are communities. Like, they have strong connection and
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  Speaker 1: ties as a community. They also tend to walk after eating.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's subtle. So, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: little things, you know? But it's hard to extract and say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what can I do here where I live to be
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  Speaker 1: like them? I mean, the reality is you're not. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily a good goal. Seems like they
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  Speaker 1: have a lot less stress. I think they handle stress differently,
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  Speaker 1: you know? I think stress is such an interesting topic,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that... Usually when I meet a client for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, I want to really understand how they're
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  Speaker 1: handling stress. And I don't just mean like, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about stress? We tend to, we like to
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  Speaker 1: do this urine and saliva hormone test to see how
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  Speaker 1: their adrenal glands, which is the triangular shaped glands sit
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  Speaker 1: on top of our kidneys that processes and metabolizes and
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  Speaker 1: excretes cortisol, which is our main stress hormone. And I
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of value in understanding, you know, cause
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  Speaker 1: there's a, we're hardwired for a cortisol response. Literally, it's
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  Speaker 1: hardwired into us. And once you start escaping that rhythm,
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  Speaker 1: bad things start to happen to people. So I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of fascinated by it. I put a lot of value
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  Speaker 1: in understanding, like, what are the biological mechanisms to how
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  Speaker 1: someone thinks and handles stress in their world? You guys
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  Speaker 1: did that on me, I think. I did that early
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  Speaker 1: with you, yeah. Your facility office down there is... We...
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  Speaker 1: You've just done an incredible job. Your team is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, we were talking right before the
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  Speaker 2: show started. It was like, you've really created, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like you're in a family. Everybody gets along. Everybody knows
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  Speaker 2: each other. Everybody takes their job very seriously. Everybody loves
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  Speaker 2: their job and wants to be there. You don't see
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  Speaker 2: that very many places.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's important. You know, I think that we get
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  Speaker 1: to work with a lot of people. And I really
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  Speaker 1: want to instill, like, we really want, the customer service
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  Speaker 1: to be at its highest, you know, because we get to,
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  Speaker 1: people are vulnerable with us. People aren't feeling good. And
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  Speaker 1: we put a lot of time into kind of how
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  Speaker 1: do we create a unit? I'm so grateful for my team.
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  Speaker 1: Like they are just, they always show up. They want
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  Speaker 1: to work hard and they're really dedicated to helping the
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  Speaker 1: people we work with. So I appreciate you saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're awesome. So kudos to the Conover Wellness team. Seriously,
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  Speaker 2: So let's go, let's dive into your story a little
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: bit here. And so you had a You had a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: death sentence at age 46, it sounded like.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I did. I did. Yeah. So I was, we have
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: friends in Hawaii who we see once or twice a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: year and we'd come back. It was August of 2020.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And soon after we got back, I started having abdominal pain.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I tried to dismiss it, not think much about it,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: but it persisted, got worse. So I was like, well,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: let me figure this out myself. So I did testing
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: on myself and from what I could see from the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: lab results, maybe I had a gut infection. So I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm gonna take some antibiotics. I'm even
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: gonna take some steroids, because to calm down the inflammation.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I did that, seemed to get better. And then I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: remember I was playing tennis with my wife. It was
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Labor Day of that year, and I had to stop playing.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And the pain was so intense. So I have a
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: friend who's a radiologist. I got in touch with him.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I said, hey, I got to do a CAT scan.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So he arranged for me to get a CAT scan
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the next day. Went and had a CAT scan. Then
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I remember driving back from my office. This was the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: day after Labor Day. And he said, you need to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: go to the emergency room right now. This is a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: very serious situation. You have what's called a portal vein thrombosis.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: So this is a blood clot of the vein that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: kind of comes up from the lower extremities into the liver.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So it's the main vein coming to the liver. If
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you lose that, you die. And so I stopped at
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the office, picked up my wife, didn't really know what
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: was going on, but I knew I was in a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: lot of pain. And I honestly, I don't know if
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'd ever heard of a portal vein thrombosis. I've certainly
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: heard of a deep venous thrombosis, which is what a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people have heard of a DVT. And I'd
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: heard of a pulmonary embolism, which happens in the lung,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: blood clots in the lungs. But this was in between it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'd ever heard of a portal vein thrombosis.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: We got to the emergency room. They started me on
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a blood thinner heparin. And I remember the ER doctor
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: walked in and he said, hey, did you see the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: actual radiology report of what was diagnosed? I said, I didn't.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So he handed it to me and I read about
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the blood clot. But I also read that I had
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a mass in the head of my pancreas. Whoa. And
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I turned to him and I said, cause my wife
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: was sitting there and I said, I can't tell her this.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And so he told her and I can still hear
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the shriek. That's 46 years old. I'm obviously aware that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: if I had pancreatic cancer, that's almost a death sentence. Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So it was during COVID. So she had to leave,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you know, couldn't stay in the hospital. And they said,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: we want to do an MRI of your, liver to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: look at this more in depth. And I remember they
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: took me up to the MRI suite, but for whatever reason, Sean,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: they left me there for a while. Like, there was
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a delay or something. And I had the most amazing
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: experience maybe of my life where I was with God
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and just received tremendous peace. Like, knowing that everything's okay.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And it was an amazing moment. And all I can
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: tell you, it's hard to articulate, but all I can
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: tell you is it's all okay. You felt at peace.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I felt at total peace. Knowing that you... I just
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: felt total peace. I just knew. I just knew it
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was okay. Were you for sure you were going to die?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. I can't say that. I mean, a
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: mass on your pancreas is... It's pretty close to a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: death sentence. Uh-huh. So the next morning, I got through
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the night. Next morning, that same ER doctor comes in.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Hold on. That just came over you? I lost track
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of time, but it was probably over a two-hour time period.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And let me back up. I've always had a close
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: relationship with God. It's always been foundational for me. I've
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: always felt connected to God. This wasn't new, per se,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like this feeling and what that feels like. It was
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: new and and how far it went. It was new
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and like, wow, this is, it's all okay. Like, it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: all okay. God told me he's got my back regardless
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of the outcome. Wow. Regardless. So the next morning, that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: same ER doctor came in and he said, hey, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was thinking about you overnight. Did you see your MRI results?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I said, no. He said, you don't have cancer. Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: What did you have? So I can't tell you that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a miracle healing. It was gone. Gone.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Or, I mean, I'm pragmatic. I'm practical. Maybe
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it was an overread by the radiologist. I don't know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But he saw something. He saw something. He wouldn't put
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it on the report. And my research after that is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that a portal vein thrombosis all the time occurs in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the setting of cancer. So maybe I did have a miracle. Seriously.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And I've witnessed other patients have miracle healing. I have.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's possible. I don't doubt it. And for your listeners,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and this is an important point, anything is possible. Anything
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: is possible. And for me, it was such a pivotal
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: moment in my life. And even though it was at
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: its potentially darkest hour, I would never trade that. I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: would never do it differently. Ever. Because that experience I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: had with God and finding that total peace stays with
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: me to today. Wow. And I'm so thankful for that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That's powerful. So thankful. And that's why I just know
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it's all okay. No matter what, you know? And I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: think when people, because people, a lot of time, they
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: want to separate out, hey, is this disease? How does
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: this relate to God? It's all the same. It's all
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: linked up. It's all synchronized. Obviously, depending on what people believe.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But for me, so transformative. Man, all that. Unbelievably transformative.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, it was a very confusing time
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: being a patient. I had, doctors didn't know what to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: do with me.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Hold on, how did you, so then your wife comes back,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: how did she?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I, so yeah, sorry. So she comes
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: back that morning and literally crying together. She spent the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: whole night upset. I mean, I get upset thinking about it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: She thought she was gonna lose me.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And comes back and I get to give her the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: good news. You know, and I followed up on this.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I've done several scans since then. This isn't a fluke. Like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't have it. Wow. And, you know, and then
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: being able to, you know, I'm very grateful for my
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: wife because she's been my rock.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Man, I love this kind of stories. We're talking about
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: some of this kind of stuff at breakfast.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Shit. Yeah, and this is where it gets really real.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: This was 2020? This was 2020. This was 2020, and,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you know... it just affected me personally, affected me professionally,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you know, because I still had the blood clot, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they didn't know what to do with me.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It was such a fluky thing. They, and, and, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about a lot about
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: peptides and kind of more outside the box therapies, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I want to make the point, like they put me
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: on a blood thinner that I take to this day.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I believe that pharmaceuticals are here to help us, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Do I have to take it? Probably not, but it
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: gives me peace of mind. And for me, that's very important.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Very important. I got a lot of life left. I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: got a lot that I want to help people. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: so taking that blood thinner every evening, easy. And I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: believe in it. I believe in it. Wow. But I mean,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: being in the hospital is so interesting because I was
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the patient. You know, and I, what happened was, is
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they released me the next day on a blood thinner.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: It was probably too soon. And by the end of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the week, I had worsening pain. And I'd go back
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to the emergency room. And they scanned me again and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: said now the blood clot had extended and was now
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: affecting my colon and my large intestine. And that they
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: had to figure this out even further. They couldn't figure
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it out. I had every test under the sun. Never
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: could find anything that said it was this or that. Very,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: very strange. So they switched up my blood thinner. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: was in the hospital for another, almost a week. And,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I met several doctors and it really was
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: profound for me. I'd been on this path of like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I think we're all on a path like, what are
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: we doing here? What is the purpose? And for me,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that's both personally and professionally and being a doctor and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: knowing what I know and then being treated as a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: patient by doctors, My hematologist is amazing. I still work
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: with him today. These doctors were not very helpful. I remember,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I was in a lot of pain. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I remember saying, hey, can I get a prescription? I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: remember this conversation. Can I get a prescription for pain
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: medicine for when I leave? You don't need to give
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: me a lot. But just, I'm still in some pain.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking for a ton, but some. And they
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: told me no. We're not going to give you any
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: pain medicine. And I was like, I don't understand. Like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I'm really confused. Like, I have legitimate pain. I've been
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: in the hospital almost a week with a portal vein
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: thrombosis that you guys have never seen. I'm 46 years old.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and you refuse to give me pain medicine.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: What's going on with the healthcare industry?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just....
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You can't get an... I don't know what it's like everywhere.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: You can't get an appointment anywhere. It's like a six-month wait.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I mean... You go there, they spend 30 seconds with you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: All your blood work looks great. They don't go through
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: shit with you. Didn't they just change the mammogram thing too?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Weren't you supposed to get it? I think they've lowered
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the age of mammograms, which I want to talk to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you about. They spread it out. I don't know.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: My wife knows. We were just talking about this. It
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: used to be every six months and now they've upped
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: it to a year and they've I think they raised
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the age, I thought. And she's like, what is this?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: So it's just all the good doctors are now out
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of insurance networks. They're all gone. And what happened? Well,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: we go to private health.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, you come see me. I think it's worth, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: this was a kind of inflection point for me, having
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: this experience. I've always kind of been trying to understand
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: how do we get here. And really then I kind
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of dove into it. And if we go back, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I want to express to your listeners, the healthcare system
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: is actually working perfectly because the healthcare system treats us
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: as customers, not patients. So it's working just fine. Did
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know it's the largest employer in almost every state?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: That's surprising. I didn't know that. In many states, it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the fastest growing industry. Many states. So we have a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: system that's working super well as a business. And what
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I learned from researching it, it goes back deep, right?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So in 1910, there was something called the Flexner Report,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: which was kind of created by John D. Rockefeller and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Andrew Carnegie, right? two of the biggest, wealthiest families in America.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And what the Flexner Report did was to look at
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: medical education and decide what should go forward and be
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: allowed and focused on and what should be excluded. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it's hard for us to understand this because we live
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in 2026, where everything is dominated by pharmaceuticals and randomized
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: controlled studies and surgeries. But if you go back to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: before the 1900s, other types of health modalities were flourishing
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that we now, in very real sense, consider rogue, right?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm talking about acupuncture, chiropractic, naturopathy, herbalism, hydrotherapy, fitness, nutrition.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: What they did literally was say medical education can't focus
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: on those. And I lived it, right? I went to medical,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I graduated in 2000. And the model that I came
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: up from, which I'm sure is teaching today, is when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a patient walks in the room, you're immediately thinking, what
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: medicine am I prescribing? You're not thinking, what's going on
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: with the patient? What's the story? How did they get here?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: What are they feeling? You're thinking, what diagnosis can I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: come up with to give them a medicine or three medicines?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: And that system works very well in this system. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: so for a lot of people talking about, oh, peptides, right? Well,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: there's no studies because we've been trained to think that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count unless there's a study. But if we
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: go back and look, for example, ashwagandha is a botanical
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: herb used in the Ayurvedic system. It's been in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: historical record for thousands of years. Thousands of years. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I remember I gave a talk many, many years ago
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: at this power company in Charleston. We're talking about sleep.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: We're talking about different natural options. And I said, well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: ashwagandha actually is great at helping clear out cortisol receptors
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and people, you know, observing them sleep better. over time
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: taking ashwagandha, it's very safe. And a gentleman raised his hand,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: he goes, well, has it been studied? I said, well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it's been studied in the historical record for thousands of years,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: because that doesn't matter. What do you mean that doesn't matter?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But that's where we are, right? And so we have,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we've been trained, we've been programmed that we have to
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: look at anything like we do pharmaceuticals. But the reality
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: is we can't, right? The pharmaceutical testing is very expensive.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone knows that. Exorbitantly expensive. And it's also
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: very biased, right? I don't put a lot of weight
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: on that. Like when I'm sitting in front of a patient,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in them. I want to know what works
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: for them. I'm not interested in a study that says, hey,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: if you're 45, I don't even know what that means.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Most of it's done under artificial settings. They certainly can't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: control for the things they say they can control for.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Rarely do they control for all the variables of being human, sleep, diet, movement,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: thought process. It just doesn't happen. Now again, I'm not
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: saying pharmaceuticals are bad. I don't think that pharmaceutical companies
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: are evil. I think they're playing perfectly into the industrial
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: medical complex perfectly. And I point that out to your
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: listeners because we don't talk about this enough, right? We
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: talk about it as there's one way to do this, right?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And if you look at statistically, the majority of Americans
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: take pharmaceuticals. That's how we define health. Yet the majority
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of Americans are overweight, tired, and depressed as well. Very true.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And it's challenging. It's challenging for listeners to know what
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to do, where to turn. I mean, I feel like
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of waking up to this.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I do too. I'm hopeful. I sure as hell have.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And I actually think that COVID and the pandemic, as
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: bad as it was, there was a silver lining there.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I think doctors lost a lot of faith and trust
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: from people. And for good reason. Yeah. For good reason.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But I think it helps spur on for people. I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: want to take care of myself. You know, I got
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: COVID the next year after I got that portal vein thrombosis.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: It was August of 2021. I got COVID. I think
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: it was the Delta variant. I almost died again. I mean,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I've never been as sick as that. I mean, I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: was out of commission for three weeks at home on oxygen.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. And I couldn't get better. Like it was
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: one of the weirdest times. Like I would, I just,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and I finally had to be hospitalized and I didn't
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: want to go to the hospital because I was afraid
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: if my blood, I would measure my blood, my oxygen saturation.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: It was in the 80s, right? It should be 95
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: or higher, certainly 93 or higher. Mine was in the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: 80s and I'd be at oxygen. I knew if I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: went in, they'd want to put people on ventilators and
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that was killing people because we didn't know. It was
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a crazy time. And so I was reluctant to seek
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: help for sure. Wow. Then eventually I had to go
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to the hospital and I did fine, but. How long
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: were you in there? I think, so I went for
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: a weird reason. So I developed, I think pneumonia on
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: top of the COVID and I was taking an antibiotic,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: but because I was on a blood thinning medicine, the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: antibiotic made my blood thinner, made my blood super thin.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: There was an interaction there. Gotcha. And I remember waking up,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I was sleeping on the couch, couldn't even sleep in
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: bed with my wife because it was so uncomfortable and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I was on oxygen. I didn't want to disturb her.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: But I remember I was in the middle of the night,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: woke up and I started urinating frank blood because my
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: blood had gotten so thin that I was literally urinating blood.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I woke her up and I was like, I got
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: to go now. And I went, and it all worked
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: out okay. I mean, and I only had, I stayed there,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I think it was either one or two nights. I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: had to stay in the emergency room. There wasn't even,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the hospital was packed. It was totally full. Jeez. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I think there's some silver lining. I think that, you know, people,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to your point, are waking up saying, I want more
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: than just taking a pill. I sure as hell did.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Everybody I know has. Yeah, I mean... And I don't know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's like two healthcare systems now. There's
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the private healthcare system that everybody seems to be gravitating towards.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And then there's the traditional one, the traditional American one.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Or maybe North American one.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But there's the in-network and out-of-network. I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: think it's accurate. And nobody wants to be in-network anymore. Well,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I think... Especially.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: people my age and older. I think a lot of
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the young people don't really care yet, but they should.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's time for evolution of it. I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: think that if we look at the history of it
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and people saying, well, I have health insurance. Health insurance
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is not for the healthy. It's a disease-based approach. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I think it does a good job. When I was
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: really sick, as much as I question it, I still
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: was there to help me. If you fracture your leg
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: it's there to help you if you're in an acute
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: situation it's there to help you but that's not how
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: we get healthy and that's not how we optimize and
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: i think that's why people are getting disgruntled is there
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: any what do you think about the ivermectin thing I'm
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a big fan of ivermectin. Is it true this is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: an anti-cancer drug too? Yeah, I think it can be
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: used for that. How do you use it for that?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I think it depends, right? So they're looking at it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: more and more in terms of how to dose it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I learned about it during COVID, right? And we learned about,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you know, people, doing research in terms of clinical research,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: in terms of weight-basing ivermectin, where we would use a
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: dose of 0.2 milligrams per kilogram, meaning you find out
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the patient's weight, and then you do a calculation, say
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: this is how much they need, and you'd either give
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it to them, you know, again, for COVID symptoms, even
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: though it got such a terrible rap, you know, after
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan said he was using ivermectin, then the world
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: came down saying, how dare you, even though it's been
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: used for decades safely worldwide. I mean, ivermectin is a inexpensive,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: valuable medicine. But during COVID, one of the big troubles
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: not to get off course, I'll come back, is all
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the focus was on the vaccines. The focus was not
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: on treatment. And that's still probably true to this day.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're still promoting COVID vaccines, which is crazy
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to me. But if we remember, it was all about
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you need to get your vaccine, not that what do
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you do if you get COVID? And ivermectin seemed to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: be for a lot of people, again, just clinically a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: way out and a quick way out. And so since
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that time, people have been exploring, can we use it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: for other inflammatory conditions, whether it's viral illness, whether it's cancer.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Cancer's complicated. But I'll tell you, you know, an interesting thing.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: To this day, if I were to call in, send
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in ivermectin for a patient to a pharmacy, they wouldn't
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: fill it. What? Why? Why? Yeah, yeah. And I'm not
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: gonna say that's every pharmacy, because it's not true, but
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: it's most. And they say, What is the diagnosis code?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And now, that doesn't matter, right? If I see you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: as a patient and I decide, hey, this is an
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: appropriate drug, and I want to make a point to
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: patients because this always comes up, well, it's off-label. 90%
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of medicine that's prescribed is off-label, by the way, meaning
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we use it outside of the indication that the FDA
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: approved it, right? So the best example is antibiotics. Antibiotics
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: tend to have a very narrow classification, right? meaning I'll
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: take penicillin for a type of bacteria. However, people use
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: penicillin for lots of different bacteria. We don't actually test
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the bacteria anymore in many ways because that's inefficient. Most
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: medicine is prescribed off-label. And so what they're saying, so
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the FDA approval for ivermectin has nothing to do with
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a viral illness, has nothing to do with cancer. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: this has happened to me so many times where, I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: thought it was appropriate because of the safety profile, number one,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: it's super safe. We don't see side effects from ivermectin.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And two, my clinical observation and working with patients and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: having a relationship and prescribing is they seem to get
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: better faster than ones using ivermectin, not always. And so
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: if I send that into a pharmacy, I've spoken to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: so many pharmacists who say, well, we need the diagnosis code.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, here's a diagnosis. That doesn't qualify.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: We can't prescribe it. We're not filling it. What was
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it originally used for? I feel like it was, I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: don't even remember at this point. It was like something
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: along the lines of like scabies or something like that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Some like small, yeah, that's what's used like for worldwide.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: We'll call it a parasite. Gotcha. Like a type of parasite.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: So if you tell the pharmacy, oh, it's a viral
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: illness because there's a diagnosis code for that. They'll say
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that doesn't qualify. So we're not filling it. And I'd say, well,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna stand in the way of the patient
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: getting the medicine and say, well, we don't feel comfortable
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: filling it. I mean, this is a real thing. Very strange.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a huge disservice. Huge disservice to patients.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Because again, I'm trained as a doctor. We've all heard
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of the Hippocratic Oath. Why have they... I think it
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: got politicized. That's it? It got politicized. It was determined, again, if...
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This is just my observation. We go
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: back to COVID, we're more interested in the COVID vaccine and,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you know, giving everyone a vaccine than actually coming up
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: with solutions to help them when they got COVID. And
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's a remnant of that. And people were
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: taking ivermectin, having success, and that was like, how dare you?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: You should be vaccinated. Yeah. And it became this, you know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: line in the sand, which I think is unfortunate.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just, I was just in Mexico, bought a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: ton of ivermectin.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Because I was reading about the anti-cancer.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: It could be a deterrent or anti-cancer or whatever.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: For sure. I think there's a lot of this. I mean,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: there's a big push. I don't do it per se
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: because I don't really work with cancer, but there's a
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: big push from doctors who work with cancer repurposing drugs
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to help with cancer. So there's different clinical scenarios I've
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: heard of patients using doxycycline, ivermectin, mebendazole is another antiparasitic medicine.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Methylene blue, which we'll talk about, is another one of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: these agents which can be helpful. Metformin is another one.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole host of them that we
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: can actually be smart about. Doxycycline, huh? Doxycycline seems to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: kill cancer stem cells. So it's not allowing those cancer
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: stem cells to grow. Again, cancer is very complicated. I'm
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: not an expert by any means. But I think, you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I think if I try to answer questions, what would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I do? If I developed cancer, I would want every
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: option on the table. Yeah, me too. And unfortunately, in
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the United States, it's very limited. In the state of California,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: interestingly enough, I learned this recently because I talked to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: a doctor. State of California, I don't know if this
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: is still true, but it was true. If they see
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a patient who has cancer and you recommend something that's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: not a pharmaceutical, they'll come after your medical license. Not
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: surprising at all. Yeah, and that's not how we make progress, right?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges, we live in such
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: a dogmatic society. It's either bad or good. This is evil.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. And
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard for people to know what's real.
• 45:54
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• 48:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Doc. Before we move on to the outer.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: And the inner war, I forgot to bring up some
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: of this ancient medicine stuff.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Native American, Egyptian, Greek. Yeah, I mean, I think for me,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: first of all, for whatever reason, I've been fascinated with
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: ancient history. I remember being as early as five years
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: old or six years old, reading about ancient worlds. I actually,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in college, I majored in something called Old World Archaeology
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and Art. I've been on archaeological digs. So I've always
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: had this fascination with what happened in the ancient world.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And then I go to medical school and then learning about,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: kind of just changing how I think in terms of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I learned that the medical model was really two things.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Either you're going to take a medicine or multiple medicines,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: or we're going to have surgery. And when I kind
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of started thinking about what do people do 100, 200, 300, 1,000, 2,000
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: years ago, they seemed to me more connected, one, to God,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and two, we're trying to articulate systems for human health.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: They just didn't have the vocabulary to describe that we would,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: you know, term that in modern terms. And I find
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: this fascinating, you know, because I really do think that
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: in many ways, as a society, maybe across the world,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: we're devolving. We're going the wrong direction. You know, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I think some of that is our knowledge but certainly
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the wisdom that's applied. We're totally disconnected from nature. What
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: do you mean devolving? Like we're getting sicker? We're getting sicker, dumber,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and less connected. Mm-hmm. I think most people could recognize that. Oh, yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Was watching a document. I can't remember the document. I'm
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: trying to think of the name, but it's not going
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: to come to me. But it was talking about A
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: lot of the diseases that we have today are not
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: even organic diseases. They're man-made diseases like cancer.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: It's all the pollutants and microplastics and fucking smog.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: You name it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: It's all the shit in the soil, all the chemicals, everything.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't even have these diseases if we wouldn't have
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: destroyed the planet.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: 100%. So tying it back to what I call the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: outer war. That's that we're being poisoned and it's very real.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: For example, men with testosterone today, it's like 50% less
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: than our grandparents. It's a real thing. Why is it?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's what you just said. I think if
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: we look at what the environmental toxins, for example, microplastics,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we look at even just the things that people probably
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: don't take seriously, but the Wi-Fi, All the invisible waves
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: were so connected to these phones and screen time and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: changing our physiology. You think the EMF stuff is... I
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: think it's very real. I think it's very real. What
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: do you do about that? Again, I try to be practical, right?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: There's some people who are saying, never use your cell phone.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: That seems stupid to me, right? Like, it's such a
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: convenience and such a tool. But I... And I struggle
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: with it. Like, I should put my phone down more.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: For sure. I struggle with this. So what do I do?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I try to limit it, right? I certainly don't, I
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: try to keep it off me as much as I can, right?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm not, I used to have it in my
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: pocket all the time. I think that's probably bad, right?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: It's an antenna. So if I'm sitting anywhere, I have
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: it put down. And then something that I found to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: be really good is this device called BlueShield, B-L-U-Shield. BlueShield. Yeah,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: it's a company called BlueShield. And they make this device,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and I've gotten to know the guy who runs it
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: really well, Brandon, who's super smart. They make it this
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: cube that I put in our bedroom. And it helps
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to mitigate the incoherent effect of Wi-Fi. Now, this is
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: not my territory. I don't understand this well. But the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: way he explained it is, we have all these waves
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: coming at us, which You know, they desynchronize our own physiology,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: our own biochemistry, the rhythms of our body. And something
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: like this cube, it helps to get them back in sync.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: That's the best I can understand. Interesting. I was going
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: to paint. Yeah. You've heard of the EMF paint? Yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you know. I was going to do that. And then
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I read that you don't want to do that because then, yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I read that if it is in there, then it's
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: bouncing around and it's actually worse.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. And so, you know, I think,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you know, one thing I'm excited about for our new
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: office is, and I think kind of the next phase
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: in wellness is how do we deal with this energy?
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: What is energy? You know what I mean? And so
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to be setting up the first of its
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: kind with the help of Brandon, you know, different modalities
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: such as PEMF, which is Pulsed Electrical Magnetic Field Therapy.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: People are pretty familiar with that. We're not just electrical beings,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: but we're magnetic beings. We're going to combine that with
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: vibrational What is that? What does that look like? Vibrational
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: is where there's like these big plates, and it basically
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: just vibrates you. Because the mechanical force on your body, right?
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons that's not spoken about,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: but exercise is so important. Because you're changing the mechanical
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: force on your cells. And again, tying it back to
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: what did people used to do thousands of years ago, right?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: They had to do things like a lot of walking.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: They had to lift heavy stuff. They had to sprint
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: every now and again. They were... in touch with nature
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: in ways that we don't. Now, I'm not saying don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: go to a gym because we have to work out
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and we have to take care of ourselves. But most
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of us, you know, work out under artificial lights, right?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: We don't take our time when we work out. We're
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: rushing through. We're certainly not focused on the workout. We're
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: thinking about what do I got to do next, you know?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And I think just trying to tie it all together
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to answer your question about ancient, it's very hard for
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: us to understand what people did in the ancient world
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: because we think that we are evolving and that everything's
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: getting better. Certainly technology's better. but I don't think we
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: know how to use it appropriately. The electromagnetic, did you
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: call it electromagnetic therapy? Have you heard of a Rife machine? Yeah,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Is that real?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's very real. I think it's very real.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Can you explain it? I'm not the expert, but here's
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: how I think. I think that we are all frequency-based, right?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: We are energy. We are different. We're operating at different
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: energy spectrums, which has to come down with different frequencies.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: People can understand this. Best analogy I've heard is a radio, right?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You turn the dial of the radio to pick up
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: what's coming in from different sources, different towers shooting out
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the different, whether it's AM or FM. And when you
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: get to the one, it becomes crystal clear, right? Well,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I think of us as the same way. We're antenna
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: for what's going on in our environment, particularly our brains are,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I think, right? That's how we pick up thoughts. That's
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: how we pick up on stuff is because either you're
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: either dialed into the wrong station, right? And we talked
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: about that before this podcast, and I think some of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that's how that happens. And so I think one of
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the cool things that we're going to be able to
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: use with technology is to help us become more coherent
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: so that we can then receive messages in a more
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: coherent way, that we can be more attuned, lined up.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: And to me, that's really important. Unfortunately, this outer war, right, is...
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: all of these, right? We're basically our planets being microwaved, right?
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: If you look at all the satellites circulating above the earth, right?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And all this neural link stuff that's coming and all
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: this star, I mean, it's a lot. We're basically microwaving
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: ourselves in an environment which is already polluted with pesticides, herbicides, glyphosate, toxicities,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: heavy metals. I just tell people, think about all the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: airplanes flying over us every single day. The amount of
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Jet fuel, which has a ton of heavy metals, is
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: pouring down on us every day. To your point, this
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is all new. Last 50, 100 years, all of it's new.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And so our lens, we're told to believe that this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: is natural. It's natural to have heart disease and cancer
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and autoimmune disease. By the way, there's more autoimmune disease
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: than cancer and heart disease combined. More neurodegenerative disease. People
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: are concerned about dementia, Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's. It's very real.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And so we're being attacked. I mean, you know, I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: think all of that's real. And so a lot of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: the work we can do, which I'll get into, which
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I think is the inner war, which is working on ourselves.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: So the inner, you think there's two wars, the inner
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: war and the outer war. And I think most people
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: pay attention to the wrong things. I think most people
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: are paying attention to what's going on in the media,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: what's going on in politics, what's going on with people
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: out to get us, right? And they don't take the
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: time to actually work on themselves. They don't actually take
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the time to do it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely guilty of that. We're all guilty of it.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: You know, and I think that it's hard because we're
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: told that what matters more is what's going on the outside.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: But if you think about it, I mean, I can
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: tell you for me, a non-negotiable for me in the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: morning is I get up every morning early, excuse me,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: with these two little dogs we're obsessed with, and take
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: them out, feed them. And then that's when I'm total silence, praying, meditating, journaling,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: That's a non-negotiable for me because when I do that,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I don't care what happens the rest of the day.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: We're all busy. Things are coming at us. People needing stuff.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Got to do this. Got to accomplish that. But to me,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that and then the end of the day when I
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: can connect with my wife and we can catch up
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: and kind of share what happened. Two non-negotiables. You know
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Most people would say, well, I got
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: to get to the gym. I got to work out.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I got to, you know, be whatever, you know. To me,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it's about the internal conversation more than the external conversation. Now,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: that's just me. But to give you an example, I mean,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I work with one of the... I'm just thinking of this.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: One of the most famous actors on the planet, recognizable
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: across the world. Not gonna name names. By all intents,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: you look at him... leading the best life. And he is,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: no doubt, very successful in all facets of his life,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: great family. But this part of his life, when we
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: started working, wasn't as developed as he wanted it to be.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: And I helped him kind of get that back for
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: himself about what it is to wake up and have
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: that silence and work on yourself. You know, the introspective work,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: which I call contemplative, introspective, or, you know, being contemplative,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I think, is really important. And the silence and you know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: over the, whatever, year and a half, almost two years
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I've been working with him, you know, he shared with
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: me recently, because he had some big movies come out,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: that he's really found his purpose, and more importantly, his peace.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: And that peace, like I told you about what I
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: was able to find in that hospital, I think once
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you find it, it changes everything. And that to me
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: is what the center was about. And that's why I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: think not to overstate it, but I think we've gotten lost.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that people think particularly with health and longevity,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: that it's a destination. I don't think it is. I
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: think we're already here. I think it's just directional change.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And I really see, I'd love to talk more about
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: all these different therapies They're a bridge, not to get
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: us anywhere, but to get us back to ourselves. That's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: what's so cool. They're literally a bridge to help us
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: find ourselves again. And that, to me, is fascinating. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: that's how I look at that. I really think, whether
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: it's peptides or nutrients or hormones, they're a bridge. Because ultimately,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: what I want for all my patients, all the people
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I care about, not to need me anymore, to figure
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: it out. I want to continue to help. But that's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a very contrast to the medical model where if you're
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: not a customer and you're not paying in, they don't
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: need you. You know what I mean? Talking about two
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: totally different things. Interesting. Where do we go from here?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I think we've described the outer war pretty well, right?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's the things external. I think it's also
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: our attention. I think if we're paying attention to social
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: media feeds and the algorithms that are being presented to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you and picking a side, and that's how you're defining
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: your life, you're not paying attention to yourself. A lot
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: of distractions. A lot of distractions. I think those phones
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: are super helpful, but they're also a huge distraction. Again,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I think you can use them well. I'm not saying
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: put down your phone or ignore it or turn off
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: social media. I think you've got to find, everyone's got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: to figure out what works better. And I turned off
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: social media. We were talking about that at breakfast.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: It's been gone for over a month now.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Everything gone.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: It really is. You get more clarity. Yeah. And again,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want to keep harping on this, but what
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: do people do? A hundred. I mean, social media is new.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Phones are not even 20 years old. Crazy. But we
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: think this is how life has been lived. It's not
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: even close. So what do people do? A hundred, 200,000
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: years ago, they were with each other. You know, they
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: were finding things to eat. They were taking care of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: each other. There was a lot more purpose and, To me,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: it's about finding your own who you are again, to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: find that awareness, to find that vitality, right? So when
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I think about how can I help someone lead their
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: best life from a health perspective, it's tapping into that vitality.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I just read the last book I read, which I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: think you're probably a lot of your listeners now, I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: don't know if you know, by Dan Millman, The Way
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: of the Peaceful Warrior. Wonderful book. I mean, it's wonderful.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: It's about this gymnast back in the 60s who's this,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you know, super awesome college gymnast who's, from a physical perspective,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got it. Becomes qualified for the Olympics.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: And he meets this kind of crazy old man who
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: takes him under his wing and teaches him about how
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: to find purpose and attention again in his life so
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't pass him by. And there's so many
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: little valuable, you know, things that came from reading that book.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Because I think, you know, he talks about what he
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: thinks as his mentor, the goal is becoming a warrior,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a peaceful warrior. And the job of a peaceful warrior
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: is to find unreasonable happiness. Unreasonable happiness. Meaning, he says,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the fool uses things he does to take him to happiness.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Whereas the warrior can be happy at any moment, at
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: any time. And I would take that a step further
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and say, what I'm hoping for people is to find
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: unreasonable joy. And I think we'll talk about it a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: little bit, but for me, it's the best analogy, I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: didn't come up with it, is being a warrior in
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: a garden. Meaning, you're strong, You take care of yourself
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and your family, but you also know how to cultivate
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: peace and love and compassion.
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  Speaker 1: I liked what you said this morning, that quote. About
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the game? Yeah. One of my favorite quotes. Yeah. You
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: want to win the game? Stop playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: And that's what this, that's what I'm saying with this
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: outer war. People are playing that game and we're being
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: played and it's very real. But if you want the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: most biological sovereignty, you got to focus on yourself. Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Stop playing that game. Play your own game. Yeah. It's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: all possible. Yeah. It's killing us.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: It is, and I think it's taking away our attention.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's taking away our ability to know what's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: real and what's not real. And I feel for people.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: They don't know where to get reliable information. One of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: the things I wanted to talk to you about is
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: one of the problems with the current medical model is
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: what I call the three traps. The first is what
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I call the pill push. This is what most people
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: are used to where we've talked about it. It's giving
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: people pharmaceuticals and more pharmaceuticals and more pharmaceuticals. Again, I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: don't think doctors mean poorly. I don't think doctors are
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: out to get you. It's just they don't know any better.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: One of the things I take pride in and what
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I enjoy doing is I train other doctors and providers.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I've done this for years and years and years. I
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: love it. I love the collegial aspect, but I also
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: love because I didn't have someone to help me get
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: to where I am. I had to make a lot
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of mistakes and most of it self-learned through experience working
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: with great patients but i want to help them start
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: to think differently.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I mean it's obvious that you're not against i'm not
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: pills because we just talked to you you're on a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: blood thinner i am i take it the past what
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: six years yeah i take so i'm not against medicine
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: but that's one of the traps the next trap is
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: the supplement shuffle we have these all these functional medicine
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: doctors who basically exchange pharmaceuticals for nutraceuticals and this is very.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Common nutraceuticals i've never heard that term yeah like supplements
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: it's like a fancy word for supplement I mean, I
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: have so many patients who come into my office and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: they're in 47 supplements. And this is common. Well, it's natural. Well,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it works. It can be safe, right?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: And so patients are taking their vitamin D, their fish oil,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: their probiotics, on and on and on. They don't even
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: know what they're taking anymore. And then they get thrown
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: into this loop where there's constant testing, testing, testing, and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: kind of the paradigm is take this for that. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. And then the last
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: trap is what we're most familiar with, which is the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: biohacker influencer, which is all in, right? And promoting all
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: of this testing like crazy. You know, now this full
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: body MRI scan is becoming so popular. Is that bad?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Again, I don't know if it's bad. I just think
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: you have to be careful. You're basically looking for things
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have. And I think it can create
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and stress. And here's what I'll
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: tell you. And I think this is hard for people
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: to get to. So I want to find it so
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I can do something about it. Well, how do you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: know your body wouldn't have done something about it anyway? Right.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: So to give you just modern day examples, and this
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: is real. They've recently looked at, I think it was
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: in an article in JAMA, one of the big medical journals,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I think it was 2022. They found that CT scans
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: would likely contribute or cause 5% of cancers annually. Over,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: I think it was like 100,000 plus cancers would come
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: from CT scanning alone, right? Mammography, which we touched upon,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: They've done studies to show that mammography does not change mortality,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: meaning we have plenty more women diagnosed with breast cancer,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: yet women are not living longer because of that. Colonoscopy,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: same thing. So we're screening, and I get it, because
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: people are like, I've got to find it. But then
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: we're creating problems, right? I mean, I've had patients who
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: diagnosed from a mammogram with breast cancer. And again, I'm
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: not saying they shouldn't do this. It's an individual choice.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: But then they go down the chemo path. They go
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: down the radiation path. And that can be ultimately what
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: kills them, not the cancer. And this is a complicated
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: and it's also a very touchy subject. And I'm not
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: speaking out against these therapies. I think there's, again, like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: we've said, if I was diagnosed with cancer, I want
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: all options on the table. The problem is we're being
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: pushed and coerced in a certain direction that if you
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: don't screen for it, you're doing something wrong. I have
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: an innate trust in the human body that God created
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: to figure things out. So you don't get screened? I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: don't do those screenings, no. I don't. You don't do
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: the MRI? No. I've had too many patients who And
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I understand. They say, well, I want to know. I say,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: but the problem once you know is you can't unknow.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And you're going to be anxious every day until you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: do something about it. And they say, no, I'll be fine.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: And that's not what happens. Because now you've diagnosed with
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: something in your liver. I mean, I just had it.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with a patient this past week.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: One of the common tests that men get done is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: what's called a PSA, prostate-specific antigen test. It's not a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: good test, but it's a blood test to look for
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: prostate cancer. And so in general- Why is it not
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: a good test? It's not a good test because there's
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of inconsistency with it. And so the majority
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: of men, like the vast majority of men in my
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: practice who I've taken care of over the last 25
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: years who've had an elevated PSA greater than four has
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with cancer. This is why it's a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: bad test. So Anyway, we do routine. I believe in
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: blood work. That's different than screening per se. But I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: do routine blood work. And for our patients, we do
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of blood work, depending on what they're working on.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: And he had a PSA and it was elevated higher
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: than four. Okay, well, he was concerned. I get it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: And so eventually we did an MRI of his pelvis
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: to look at his prostate. Nothing there. Maybe his prostate
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: was enlarged. So the PSA can elevate from an enlarged prostate.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: The PSA can elevate from a prostate infection, lots of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: other things. So we repeated the blood test over time,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: totally fine. So last week he sends me that he
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: did a full body MRI. And that full body MRI
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: is not very, it's not, the visualization's way worse than
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: a dedicated MRI, if that makes sense. So the image
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: quality is way worse. So he did a full body
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: MRI and he sent it to me and said, I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: need to talk because they see something in my prostate. Now,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: six months ago, he did a dedicated MRI of his pelvis, nothing.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: So again, we're going to have to repeat that now.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: He's going to have to have a dedicated MRI of
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: his pelvis. I'm confident that maybe his anatomy is a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: little bit different. Maybe his prostate's a little bit enlarged,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he has prostate cancer. But what
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: he's created for himself is a lot of anxiety. Yep. Yep.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: And It's a slippery slope. When you've got that anxiety,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: what do people do? Well, now they're drinking more. Now
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: they're taking, you know, whatever it is. Now they need
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: more benzos. It's a slippery slope. That anxiety and that stress,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: that'll wear you out. What do you recommend if somebody
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: gets diagnosed with cancer that's one of your patients? Do
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: you have places that you recommend to them?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Are they in the U.S.? No. No. The number one place,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: there's a couple things. I just met a patient, and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: his wife is dealing with non-small cell lung cancer, which
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: is aggressive. She's doing okay. She's in the conventional route.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I'll just tell you what I told him. I'm going
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: to meet with her when I get back next week.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: There's a place that I learned of in Thailand called
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the Bangkok Stem Cell Center where they're able to do
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: things that we can't do in this country. For example,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: I have a friend who lives in Bali who introduced
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: me to them. And he was introduced, and sorry, last
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: year he got diagnosed with this very rare type of fibrosarcoma,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: just like a connective tissue, soft tissue type of cancer,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: super rare, but it can tend historically to metastasize or grow.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: He had the biopsy, saw that he had it, so
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: he went to this place, and they measured something called
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: natural killer cells in his blood. Now, the natural killer
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: cells seem to be the type of white blood cell
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: that attacks the cancer in the blood. This is an oversimplification.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So when they tested his natural killer cells, they were
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: really weak. And they were saying, I'm gonna make this up,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: less than 5% kill rate. Again, I'm messing up the details.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: So they were able to do some things to amplify
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: how those natural killer cells grow. They retest him, now
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: he's greater than 60%, and then they're giving him back
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: his natural killer cells as an infusion into his body.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: To fight the cancer.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: And it worked? It's working. Wow. And that's just one example.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: The other thing I tell people to do, what I
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: told this patient, and this is confusing, you brought up water,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm, again, not the expert, but people are familiar
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: with hydrogen. Hydrogen's the first element in the periodic table, right?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: It's got one electron, one proton. Hydrogen over time morphs
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: into something called heavy water, which has, we call it deuterium.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: One electron, one proton, one neutron. Now the problem with
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: is that it's a little bit heavier. And so our
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: bodies and our cells can't use it as efficiently. I
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: know we're going to get into the mitochondria. This might
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: be a good time. Mitochondria, the batteries of the cell.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: We know that people stressing themselves out, working late hours,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: out of sync with natural world. We get tired. As
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: we get older, we get tired more and more. We
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: don't have that energy to do all the things we
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: want to do. a lot of that academic research comes
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: back to the mitochondria not working well. The mitochondria take
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: our fuel, things we eat, fats, proteins, carbohydrates, and through
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: a series of steps, turns it into energy, water, by
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the way, it's deuterium depleted water, it'll get back to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: that and oxygen. And the main way this works and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: why I wanna talk about it is there's five hubs
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: that sit on this mitochondrial membrane. We call them five hubs,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: they call them cytochromes. The first hub is where NAD
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: is used. NAD is a chemical cousin of niacin, so
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: a chemical cousin of vitamin B3. And what the mitochondrial
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: membrane is supposed to do is we're supposed to exchange
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: electrons for protons down these different hubs. So you can
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: just think of it like a conveyor belt. And so
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: we're moving these electrons and protons to eventually get to
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: hub five, where we spin this wheel to make ATP, oxygen,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: and water. Again, oversimplifications. Hub one is where NAD operates.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: And this is where I think most people get stuck.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I think this is where we form a traffic jam.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: And so that exchange of electrons and protons slows, just
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: like if people are familiar with a traffic jam, you
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: get stuck in traffic, can't go anywhere. So we can't
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: make as much energy. And this is very real. This
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: is why I'm a big believer in NAD therapy. You know,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I think I've overseen more NAD treatments than anyone on
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: the planet. We got into it, you know, 12, 14
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: years ago before it was popular or anything. Very impressed
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: with how NAD works. very impressed. It doesn't work for everybody.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of holes. We can't measure your NAD levels.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: But clinically observing people who, before they start NAD2, after
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: they go through NAD treatments, it's transformational for most people. Interesting. Yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And so that's part of that mitochondria. That's hub one.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Hub two has to do with something called riboflavin succinic acid.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Hub three is where that CoQ10 I talked about is utilized.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: hub four, is also called cytochrome C oxidase is where
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: methylene blue can bind. Methylene blue basically, which has become
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: super popular, people can take methylene blue and basically jumpstart
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: their mitochondria because we can jump over these other hubs.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: So we can get these, again, conveyor belt work. This
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: is that stuff, I think you injected it in me. Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you took it as an IV.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: And people eat it too. You can take it orally.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: People take it under the tongue, turns their mouth blue. Yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: that's that methylene blue stuff. Fascinating compound. I think you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: showed me my cells under a microscope after that. We
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: did live blood analysis. Yeah, good memory. Yeah. So what
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: is it doing? So it's basically allowing for more efficient
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: transmission of electrons for protons so you can turn that wheel.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: That last wheel is what's important. So you're making more energy, right?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Because that energy is stored in this ATP molecule, adenosine triphosphate.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: And we want more of that because that is the
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: potential to have energy to go in your nervous system,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: help you think a thought, help you move, help you
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: throw a ball, help you shoot a gun, whatever you
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: want to do, help you train, right? You need ATP.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: You also need water. You know, the largest substance in
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: our body is water. And you need oxygen, right, to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: live your life and So, I mean, you showed me,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: when I went there, you showed, I think there was
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a before and after comparison of what the cells look
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: like before you gave it to me, what they look
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: like after. We did. How long does that last? Probably not,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know per se, because we haven't tested it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: out kind of longitudinally. And what we're talking about for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: your listeners is live blood analysis, right? As opposed to
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: drawing your blood from your veins, sending it to a lab,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: And then days later, that blood is tested for a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: volume of a hormone or a cholesterol level. We're looking
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: in real time. We prick your finger. We put your
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: blood on a slide and look at that slide under
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: the microscope. And we can see how your red blood
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: cells are moving, how your white blood cells are aggregating
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: or congregating. And what we've seen over and over and over,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: and while you remember it is, before people do treatments
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: like this, it tends to move very slowly and be
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: kind of sludgy. This is what's happening in your bloodstream.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: And then you do a treatment like methylene blue and
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: you look under the same microscope, hour later, and now
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: the red blood cells are moving. They're cruising along. It's fascinating.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating. So what is it doing? Well, there's an
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: electrical charge. And again, this is over my pay grade,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: but that methylene blue is helping the electrical components of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the cell and helping us make more ATP, also more
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: water and more oxygen. So should we be taking that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: every day? I don't know if you need it every day, but,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, a couple times a week is probably a
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah. A couple times a week. It tends
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: to be long-acting. Again, it's gotten very popular. People are
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: talking about it. People can take it every day, but
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think you need to. I think it, you know, again,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: for me, it's the least effective dose for the maximal result.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: I think we want to be reasonable about it. But, yeah,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's fabulous for the mitochondria. It also seems
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: to be a great cognitive enhancer. So methylene blue can,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: it's called a mild MAOI inhibitor. So it keeps your
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: dopamine and serotonin in your nervous system a little bit longer.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: So people report back and say they're a little bit sharper.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: And then we talked about a little bit earlier, kind
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: of repurposing drugs in terms of cancer therapy. I think
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: methylene blue is utilized in that scenario as well. So
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: it's versatile. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I can keep talking
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: about the mitochondria. I can talk about this deuterium if
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: you want. Sure. Yeah. Go back to the deuterium. So, again,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: you asked me what would I tell people or what
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I do with cancer, right? Go to that place in
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Thailand if I could. And then I'd work on the water.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Water we talked about, you know, you have to filter it.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: You have to remineralize it. But water over time becomes
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: heavy water. That's just from being on the earth. That's
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: by no fault of anyone's. It's been shown. So I'm
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: going to make up numbers here, but Most people have
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: a deuterium level of about 150 parts per million. Okay?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: There was, many, many years ago, they found a group,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: we talked about, you know, the blue zones. They found
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: a group of people living in Siberia region, no cancer.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: And when they measured... Their deuterium levels were in the 80s.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: And what is deuterium? So deuterium is hydrogen that's morphed
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: into essentially heavy hydrogen. So it's got now one electron,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: one proton, one neutron. Whereas hydrogen itself just has one electron,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: one proton. So there's going to be, we're going to
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: see more and more talk about this because I think
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: it matters. How do you deplete your deuterium levels? Okay.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Because if you just eat the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: regular food you're eating, you're not going to do it.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: If you just drink the regular water you're doing, you
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: can't do it. So there's one way to do it. Well,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: there's multiple ways, but the most practical way is you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: actually have to drink something called deuterium depleted water. So
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: it's a fancy and complicated process where they're taking that
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: deuterium and removing it from the water, okay? So as
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: opposed to being 150 parts per million, you can get
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: it down to five. So if you consume, one consumes
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: deuterium depleted water over and over and over and over again,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Over time, they're going to deplete their deuterium. Now, there's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done, but it resonates
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: to me that if one has cancer, that's the perfect
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: scenario for one working to deplete their deuterium because based
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: off that cohort of those people living in some Siberia
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: region where there was no cancer and their deuterium levels
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: were way lower than the average person. So the idea
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: is oversimplification Water is the most abundant compound in our body, right?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I think everyone's familiar with that. Most of it's, you know,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: the stuff we make by our mitochondria is deuterium depleted.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: That's the best kind. The stuff that's around our cells
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: has a lot of deuterium. If we can convert and make,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: get to lower deuterium levels, it makes it easier to
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: use for our body. And again, I'm not an expert
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: on this. This is an oversimplification. But if I'm your listener,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I'd look into it. So we need hydrogenated water. Is
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: that what you're saying? Deuterium depleted water. But isn't that
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: the one and the same? They're similar, but they're not
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: the same. Deuterium is a kind of isotope of hydrogen.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: So how do you get deuterium depleted water? There's a
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: couple companies worldwide who make it. It's expensive. You have
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: to order it? You do. It's not like a filter
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: or something you can put under your sink? I know
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: the guys who started the company in America. They don't
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: make it here. It's too expensive. It's called Drink Light Water.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: L-I-T-E water. So drink L-I-T-E water. That's where people can
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: order it. It's expensive. It's going to get very expensive
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: if that's the only water you drink. So I don't
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: think that that's practical for most people. If you had cancer, though...
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: That would be something that's very high on the list
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: of what I would recommend and do. I would try
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: to get your deuterium level as low as possible. What
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: do you think about hydrogenated water? Is it a gimmick?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Is it real? I don't think it's gimmick. I think
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: that better is hydrogenated gas you breathe. Okay. Yeah. And
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: so different devices make different things. The problem with water
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: is complicated, right? So I think that the hydrogen water
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: is not going to move the needle much. Right? This
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: is even like, we saw this with alkaline water, right?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: People say, if it's alkaline, is it alkalizing? Meaning, does
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: it make your water, you know, we're talking about pH scale, right?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: And they're talking about acid and alkaline. And people thought, well,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: if I drink more alkaline water, I'll become more alkaline
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: because cancer grows in an acid environment. That's not totally true.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Same thing with hydrogen-rich water. One of the things I've
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: got for our new office, though, is we're going to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: have an you know, hydrogen generators. While people are doing
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: IVs and stuff, different treatments, they're going to be breathing
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: in hydrogen gas. Because I think that makes more sense. Okay. Complicated.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Lots of different tools here. Sounds like it. I know.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: You know, just a little earlier, you had mentioned people
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: coming in with 40, 50 supplements.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Taking 40, 50 supplements. And we don't need that.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: But we're also talking about all the nutrition that's been
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: depleted out of the Fruits and vegetables. So how are
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: we supposed to replace that if we're not doing all
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: these supplements?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: So we like to test, right? And so, again, if
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: people need it, I'm not against it. I'm in favor
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: of whatever works. I just think that the paradigm, and
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I get it, people listen to a podcast and then
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: they buy three things based on it and they add
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: and they're never subtracting. And so their medicine cabinet grows
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to these, now they're just taking and they don't know
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: why they're taking it. So if you're taking it for
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: a particular reason, great, right? You have a goal, great.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: But most people aren't, they've gotten over the goal, right?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Whether they're tired, whether they're low mood, whether they want
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: to lose weight, they have pain. I'm not saying don't
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: take the supplements. I think because you're right, they can
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: be valuable tools. But if you're just taking blindly and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: you just added and you've amassed now all these supplements,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you don't even know what they're doing. Just because they're
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: natural and safe doesn't make them effective. by any means.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: And so I'm a big favor of doing this for
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: the longterm, you know, making it reasonable for people. And
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I think there's some things that we should focus on.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: And then again, my view lens of the world is
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: it's not destination based, it's directional change, meaning, oh, now
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: you sprained your knee. Now we've got to work on
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: the knee. Now you want to be a better golfer.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Now we've got to work on that. Now you have
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: a test coming up. You're a student. You want to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: be a better focuser. There's lots of things we can
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: do in a goal-directed manner, which are great. But then
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: once you get to the goal, I think you probably
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: back off them. You don't need to keep amassing them,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: and that's what people tend to do. That's just my observation.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Was there anything left on the mitochondria we needed to cover? Mitochondria, yeah,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, the mitochondria. So for me, I tie in
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the mitochondria, I think of, again, simplification just helps me
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: of energy, right? I think what most people are looking
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: for is energy. And I talk to people, what is
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: the number one thing they want? More energy, right? People
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: are tired now. People are stressed out. People wake up,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: they don't feel good. They have to caffeinate, stimulate. People
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: get a second wind, so now they don't sleep. People
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: can't turn on the energy. I think of like a
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: little child, right? They can turn off and on that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: energy at will. I think that's the goal, right? It's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: not just having energy, it's having energy when you want it,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: when you need it. And I think it's fascinating. And
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: so I, to me, there's seven different energy circuits essentially, right?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: The mitochondria are one of them. We can talk about
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: the others, but the mitochondria are powerful and it's like
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: the cellular circuitry. And, you know, it's very real for
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: people when, you know, we give them mitochondrial enhancing nutrients
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: like NAD, like methylene blue, like CoQ10, and watch what happens.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm a strict clinician. I'm not an academic. And I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: have the fortune of being able to observe people who
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: do these therapies and take these certain nutrients. And it's
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: a game changer for a lot of them. We talked
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: about before, you had Pete Scobel on, right? Great, amazing podcast. Amazing.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Great Americans. I got to know Pete like a decade ago,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: and he stands out in my mind. When I got
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: to know him, he was complaining that he couldn't read,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: his eyes would go all over the place, chronic daily headaches,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: and he was depressed. And he'd been through the VA
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: system left and right, upside down, and they weren't helping him.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: You're more familiar with this than I am, working with
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of veterans. And so he was living in
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Aspen at the time, went out to Aspen, and we
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: gave him NAD, IV. And again, this is like 2016.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: This is before it was any bit popular. After two treatments,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Pete's symptoms were gone. After two treatments? Yeah. Wow. And
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: if you talked to him about it, he'd still say
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: it was an impactful part of his life. And I
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: still work with Pete. And that is indicative of how
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: other people respond to NAD. And that's when the mitochondria
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: has been damaged. He told me he was blown up
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: 50 plus times. He had 50 plus traumatic brain injuries, right?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: NAD works first, you know, on the nervous system. And
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: if your nervous system's in disarray and been harmed by blasts,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: we get energy into that nervous system, it can start
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: to heal. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, the mitochondria is
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: very well studied from an academic perspective. I think it's
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: part of how people, you know, whether it's taking NAD
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: or these NAD precursors, I find NAD itself to be
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: the best. Again, that's just my experience overseeing tons and
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: tons and tons and tons of NAD treatments. Now we
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: have methylene blue and then there are certain mitochondrial nutrients.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: What are the three keys? The three keys. So this
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: is what I think of as like the three paradoxes, right?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: That this is just my take on it from working
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: with people and fascinated with human health and progress. The
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: first is, um, Energy comes from rest. That's number one.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we live in a time
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: where people beat themselves up. You know, workouts become a chore.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: We have to put our foot on the gas more
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: and more and more. And people don't value downtime and
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: recovery time. So that's the first. The second is symptoms
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: are signals. The conventional medicine, modern medicine says, if you've
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: got this, something's wrong. I'd look at it and say, actually,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: that's your body healing, right? You've got knee pain. You've
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: got a headache. You've got fatigue. You're out of alignment.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: So we need to honor those signals and understand them
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: as opposed to giving you Band-Aids. I mean, Band-Aids are
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: appropriate every now and then. Let's figure it out to
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: get to the root cause. The last is strength comes
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: from coherence, right? And the way I think about this,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: I just read this. I didn't come up with this.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: If you were to hold water in your hand and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: you squeeze it, What happens? It goes between your fingers.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: What happens if you hold it with your open palm?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: It stays, right? So we become more still and more coherent.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Think about your body. We already talked about water is
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the most dominant substance in the body. If you're squeezing
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: and tight and under stress all the time, you're not
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: very fluid. If you're not very fluid, and you know
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: this better than I from your training, like working with people,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: it's not just about having big biceps. It's about how
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: can you be coherent. So those, I think, are the
• 1:34:22
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  Speaker 1: All right, Doc, we're back from the break.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: So I just went and looked up the light water.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Expensive, right? Yeah. But I ordered it. We're trying. It
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: is expensive. It is expensive, but like we were just saying,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I think it tastes like the cleanest water you've ever had. Wow.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's something to it. It's expensive water, but.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: I'd like people to try stuff, you know? I think
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: that it's, you just don't know what'll click. Do they
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: expect people to drink this all the time? Again, it depends, right?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: So like we were talking about, in the context of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: you've got active cancer, I don't know of another way.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: What they say is a higher saturated fat diet has
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: the least amount of deuterium, but I think that takes
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: a while, right? So if you've got, and the guys
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: I know who started the company, one's named Robert, the
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: other's Victor, They would say, if you've got active cancer,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: you don't necessarily want to lower it too quickly because
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: you could have a tumor crisis is what it's called,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: like a tumor. It can kind of lyse and, I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: don't want to say explode, but implode. And that can
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: cause some problems. You can get blood clots, things like that.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: So you want to do it in a gradual way.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: But the idea is if you've got cancer, I don't
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: know of a more practical thing one can do than
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: to lower their deuterium. Wow. Knowing what I know. I mean,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: there's lots of, protocols, supplements, people talking about baking soda,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: green tea extract, I mean, on and on and on,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: removing toxicity, stopped using a microwave, you know, only using
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: stainless steel or glass to cook, things like that, to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: remove toxicity. I'm talking about very basic stuff.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: They need to be teaching this shit in school. I
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: just watched this documentary. I'm actually going to try to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: get this woman on. And she was talking about the
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: fertility crisis because of the microplastics. Have you seen this?
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but I... It's an interesting topic
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: because it's become normal for couples to jump right into
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: in vitro fertilization. This is all new. This is all new.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: She brought on, and I know it's a small sample size,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and she says that in the documentary, but she brings on,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I believe it's six couples who are trying to get pregnant,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: young couples. Yes.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: One of them had been trying to get pregnant for
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: 10 years and she brings these people in and and
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: i mean i'm not a doctor i don't know the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: test but she tests them you know just to see
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: uh she tests the sperm count in each one of
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: the males and then she tests the I don't know,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: the microplastics. And I guess you can test for those,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: how many microplastics each one of them have. And so
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: she does a test and then they go through and
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: she's there for 90 days. And they go through and
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: they just wipe out everybody's, you know, what are you wearing?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: What are you drinking? What are you cooking your food in?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: What are you buying your food in? You know, basically like,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: what are you drinking your water out of? What are you,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: you know, all this shit, And it's like everything we have.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Everything. Oh. I didn't realize.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: I guess skin absorbs 40% of everything you put on it.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it depends. I've heard different statistics, but yeah.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Anyways.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: She does this thing for these people, and then they
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: do like the revamp. Like, all right, now you're going
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: to buy berries from this place. Do this and that
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: and the other thing. I think every one of these
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: couples got pregnant after the 90 days. I mean, it's, again,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: you said they should teach us in school, but no,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: that's not the goal. Sean, you know that.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Cutting boards. No, I know. Everything. I know, but the
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: goal is to keep people as customers, right? Keep us,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: our energies dim. So we keep coming back to the
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: trough for more medicines, more testing, and then more diseases.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: And we've normalized it. We've completely normalized chronic disease. I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: don't think it's normal at all. I don't think this
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: is how people lived. We're supposed to be vital, strong, immersed.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I always think of children who are fascinating because children
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what temperature it is, what time it is.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: They are absolutely immersed in what they're doing. You say
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: to a kid, come back before dark. They don't know
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: what before dark is. But we can't do that as adults.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: We can't be present. Yeah, I know you're right. So
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: I like to live out in the woods. I mean,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's such a healthy choice. I think it's
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: awesome of you. And they've shown, I mean, you can
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: speed up and go to the technology side of being
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: in the forest and the woods is very healing. Just
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: being out in nature is very healing. I tell people,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: because we talked about a little bit earlier about circadian
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: rhythm and kind of how people handle cortisol. And the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: fastest way I tell people, if you want to get
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: yourself back in sync, go camping. for three days, don't
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: take your phone or leave it in the car, whatever,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: don't check it, and sleep on the earth, you will
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: get back in sync. Your body knows. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: We've gotten so disconnected. Again, I'm not advocating people want
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: to go do that full-time. Great. I think most of
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: us are looking for mitigation strategies. Yeah, yeah. You know,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: like how can we have a little bit of both?
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: That's fine. Let's talk about protocols. Yeah. Start with peptides. Perfect.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah. Peptides, right? 2025 became the year
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: of the peptide. You know, I've, I've been fortunate. I think,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the number, but I've probably
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: overseen more peptide treatments than anyone probably in this country,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: maybe on the planet. I've been in the right place
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: at the right time. When I researched you on, uh,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Anthropics Cloud, it, it, it says you are the godfather
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: of peptides. All right. Well, good. Good. We'll leave it
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: at that. But, um, To be really on the very,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: very elemental level, peptides are chains of amino acids. We
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: call it a peptide if it's 40 amino acids in
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: length or shorter. We call it a protein if it's
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: 41 amino acids in length or longer. By definition, these
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: are small molecules. They're signaling molecules. And I've been super
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: impressed with peptides because they're very, very safe. And to me,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: it's always got to be safety first. And so I
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: think of them to make a distinction for people. I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: think of peptides as like whispering to your cells, and
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals like a sledgehammer. I think that's just a good analogy.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: And so a sledgehammer is we're going to take the
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: same dose, give it the same to everyone. We're going
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: to have side effects, but by golly, you're going to
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: feel something. And peptides are working with your biology, signaling.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: So there's lots of different categories of peptides. There's the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: growth hormone-releasing peptides, things like ipamorelin, tesamorelin, sermorelin. And these,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: by and large, all the peptides we're talking about are injected.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: So they're injected under the skin. In the case of
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: the growth hormone-releasing peptides, travel up to the part of
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: the brain that releases growth hormone, binds the growth hormone receptor,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: and puts out some growth hormone. Well, as we know,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: as people get older, stress out their bodies, we put
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: out less growth hormone. Growth hormone is an anabolic hormone
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: like testosterone. And it's in charge of helping us mend, heal, recover,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: rejuvenate our cells, our tissues. That's why it's banned in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: professional sports, right? If you're a pitcher and you injure
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: your elbow, you want to be back in two weeks,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: not two months. Well, growth hormone will do that. And
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: so I still use a lot of growth hormone when
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: appropriate with my patients, but we've replaced a lot of
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: that with these peptides because it gets you most of
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: the way there. And it's working with your own biology.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: It's giving you a push. So that's a big category.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Another big category is the anti-inflammatory peptides like BPC-157. That's
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: the one I was talking about earlier. Yeah, the one
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: that you said you think helps you. Yeah, we have
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: you on a combination of which includes the BPC. I
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: have torn rotator cuff.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with the other shoulder,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: but usually I can't lift my shoulder over 90 degrees,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: and I think I was on that for, I.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Don't know, two weeks, maybe a month. Yeah. And full rotation. Yeah.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: And that's your experience.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: So what is it doing?
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very anti-inflammatory to the soft tissue, so the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: tendons and ligaments, you know. It comes from, again, kind
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: of our stomach juices, this particular peptide. It stands for
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: body protection compound. So your experience is what a lot
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: of people experience with BPC, a lot of people experience.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: I had a patient in the office this week, and
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: he plays guitar and does a lot of yard work,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: and he messed up his forearm. And we actually gave
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: him intravenous BPC because we used some of these peptides intravenously.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: And he said he had two treatments. And he said,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: I'm 100% better. So does it go away? It heals, right?
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it with the inflammation
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: is you're getting, like we talked about earlier, you're getting
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: aggregation of inflammatory cells, you know, that sit in the tissue,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: sit in the extracellular space, and they may hit nerves, right?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: They may cause nerve irritation, which is then sending a
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: signal to your brain, pain. And what they do is
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: they help facilitate the removal of these inflammatory cytokines in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: this cascade so that you don't have it aggregated there.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: So it's actually healing it. Now, the challenge is, is
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: for people, is once you're healed, don't re-injure, right? And
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: people have a hard time with this. You know, my
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: patients tend to be the peak performers of the world, right?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: They don't want to take any time off. And that's
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: a challenge. And I get it. And so as we
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: get older, we're in this degenerative state, you know, We're
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: very focused on lifting weights and getting strong, but we
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: also get tight. We get firm. What tends to happen
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: to people is firm breaks. That's just a reality. So
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: I think including peptides, you could argue that one who
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: works out a lot should be on BPC-157. You know,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: and we were talking about earlier, interesting day because today
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: and tomorrow is the day the FDA is discussing if
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: these peptides will still be allowed to be compounded. Compounded
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: means Made by a pharmacy. And that's how we do it.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: We don't use any research chemicals. They're all individually made.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: They're all the best sourcing, highest potency. They're all tested, analyzed,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: made by pharmacies who are FDA registered, state board, you know, inspected.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Best of the best. We do it all the best way.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: What happened a couple years ago is the FDA removed them.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: They said they can't be compounded anymore. This is why
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: these gray market of peptide took off. So people can
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: go online and get their own peptides with no oversight
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: from sources that are probably contaminated or illegitimate. I'm not
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: saying they're all bad. That's not the way it works.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: But we don't have any oversight. When we're allowed to
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: use them, like hopefully we will be able to, and
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: we can now, and hopefully that continues, well, then we
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: can continue to compound them in a very safe manner.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm looking for. What's their argument? Their argument,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I do understand it, right? Their argument is that the
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: compound didn't go through the FDA approval process, right? So
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: if we look at drugs, pharmaceuticals, a lot of money,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of research following the hoops that the FDA
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: wants you to jump through, including safety studies and certainly,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: you know, testing on people and looking at, you know,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: what goes wrong, what goes right. We don't have that
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: for these compounds. Lots of things aren't approved by the FDA. Exactly. Now,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: the challenging part with this is they sit in a
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: gray area. because most of them are injected. If we
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: take something like a nutritional supplement like vitamin C, never
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: FDA approved, on the counter you can get vitamin C,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: take as much or as little as you want. Well,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: people would argue, well, that's because you take it orally. Like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: it's very, very safe. Now, what I would argue, and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: I've actually spoken to people in the Trump administration about
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: this a little while ago, maybe a year ago, is
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: I think we need to evolve where we are, how
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: the FDA works, right? My argument to them was, what
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: we saw with the COVID vaccine was that the FDA
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: was going to expedite pushing through a vaccine that was
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: never tested. We know that's true now. It was never tested.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: It was a big experiment. The testing came after it
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: was released, not before, using these mRNA, whatever you want
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: to call them. That was the testing, right? It wasn't
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: that they were tested beforehand and said, oh, they were
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: tested while we used them. That's a big problem. But
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: since they're able to do that, and now a lot
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: of that's become the norm, right? These pharmaceutical companies are
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: seeking fast approval process. based on something like the COVID vaccine,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: saying there's such a need and such an urgency, people
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: can argue that. What I said to them, I think
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: there also needs to be a place for compounds to
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: be evaluated, which have proven to be very safe. I
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: don't think that's happening, right? Again, I've just seen, again,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think people at the FDA are out to
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: harm us. I don't think pharmaceutical companies are out to
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: harm us, but it's a business. I mean, I think
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: it's a business. It's pretty much been established. I mean, yeah.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: We need a lobbying firm. I don't know. So my
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: hope is, today and tomorrow, they meet and they say, hey,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: it seems safe. We're not hearing of, you know, adverse reactions,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: which there aren't. We're not hearing of, you know, I
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: want to remind people, minimal, minimal, 7,000 deaths a year
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: from medicines. That's just the lowest number possible. At least 200,000
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: adverse reactions that are reported a year from just medicines
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: being prescribed. These are big numbers. So this happens every
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: day with a pharmaceutical, yet there's so many pharmaceuticals that
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: are still, you know, yet peptides, because they don't fit
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: into this category or that, we have to be, can't use.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is a narrative out there. I've had
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: somebody on the show that actually brought it up that
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: said that they think that the use of peptides will
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: create an uptick in the than cancer. Is there any
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: truth to that? I don't think so at all. No,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: that doesn't resonate with me. And I think the challenge
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: is this, and this is just my observation. We have
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of people reading about what a peptide does.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: And then from my perspective, I see what it does
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: to people clinically. I am biased. I'm going to be
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: on the clinical side. I take care of a lot
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: of people over the years. And we're talking 10 plus
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: years of using peptides. Is it perfect? No. Has I
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: ever seen cancer develop? No. And we're talking big numbers
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: of people now. Have I seen blood clots? No, none
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: of it. Have I seen a rash from an injection? Sure.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: Have I seen it not work? Sure. And I know
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: what they're talking about with BPC causing angiogenesis. But that's
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: where you develop new blood vessels. For cancer, you'd say, oh, well,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: the cancer, which is, now developing new blood vessel, has
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: a blood supply, so it's going to feed on its own, right?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: And the BPC could be making that worse. That's one theoretical. Two,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: I could argue that's a really healthy thing with heart disease, right?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: And this happens already naturally. If someone's got an artery
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: that's feeding their heart muscle and it's becoming full of plaque,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the body's intelligent enough to make new blood vessels to
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: fulfill where those, you know, those tissues need to be
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: supplied by oxygen. That's angiogenesis too. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, right? And so some people would
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: come at this, like we've been talking about and say, well,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: we need to do longitudinal study. That's probably a good thing, right?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: But you have to do it clinically. And the trouble
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: with doing clinically, we've touched upon this. Unless we're doing
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: some sort of live real-time analysis, how do we really know, right?
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: And it gets tricky and it's hard to do. And
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: it's harder to do than I think we've been led
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: to believe. I'm all in favor of learning, but I'm
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: not in favor of dismissing anecdotal data as BS because
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count because it wasn't done by a proper study.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just not. Because my experience is the anecdotal data
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: is super valuable. I'm interested in people sitting in front
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: of me. What are some other things that you would
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: use peptides for? So there's peptides for inflammation, right? So BPC-157, TB-500,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: They have these weird names, KPV, GHK-CU, which is GHK copper.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: All of these are very anti-inflammatory, right? So they're promoting
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: anti-inflammatory mechanisms, not pro-inflammatory mechanisms. There's peptides for the nervous system.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: One called CMAX, which was developed in Russia many decades
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: ago to help people who've had a stroke, people who've
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: had a traumatic brain injury. CMAX and its cousin, CELANC.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: CELANC taps into the GABA system, which is our calming system.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: That's the same receptors that alcohol and benzos tap into. Well,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Solanke is very calming for some people. In fact, the
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: combination of C-Max and Solanke is like a natural Adderall.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: And so we make that into a nasal spray. I
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: have a lot of patients who try that because, you know,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I like the nasal spray because it's kind of a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: quick hit to the nervous system and they can redose it.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's perfect and certainly not
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: for everybody. But, you know, one of my problems with
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: mainstream medicine is a lot of doctors act like gatekeepers, like, no,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: you can't do it. Why should it be up to them?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Like if it's safe, why can't the patient try? I'm
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: a big believer. Let people try and explore as long
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: as we're doing it safely. And from my perspective, I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: have more experience with stuff than most. We're gonna start there, right?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: We're gonna start as a reference point. I only want
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: you to try it if it's safe. We're never gonna
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: recommend things that are out of bounds ever. And I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: recognize that doctors don't know either, right? We train a
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: lot of doctors. They're interested in learning, but to your point,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: we need to teach this stuff. That's not coming from
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: conventional medical education. That's not part of their model. So
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: I want to help these providers, these physicians, learn how
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: to use these tools. So other peptides good for the
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: nervous system. C-Max, Solanx, Cerebrolysin. We've had great success. Cerebrolysin
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: is this neuropeptide. Patients who've had a stroke, you know,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: my nurse practitioner, her dad had a stroke. He did
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: so well using cerebrolysin, just subcutaneously injecting himself. She said
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: he made such an amazing recovery. And she used to
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: work in a kind of stroke rehab center. So she
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: has a lot of experience with it. So cerebrolysin's another
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: one that we can use. There's mitochondrial peptides, peptides like MOTC,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: which I think of as the stronger, fitter, faster peptide.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Helps with body composition and energy. Humanin, which is like
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: the DNA repair peptide. peptide, one called SS-31, which we
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: talked about the mitochondria. We talked about where methylene blue
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: binds on that fourth hub. Well, that's where SS-31 binds
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: to help keep the shape and architecture of the mitochondria intact.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: So again, it's challenging, a lot of different peptides. How
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: do we know what to use? Well, the way I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: do it is I want to understand patient's motivation, understand
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: their story, understand their goals. And then we start. And
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: then I want feedback. How's it working? Are you experienced?
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Like with you, my shoulder's feeling better. We're on the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: right track. I have more energy. I'm sleeping better. There's
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: peptides for circadian rhythm, one called epitalin. There's one called penilon,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: which helps us release more melatonin. I could go on
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: and on, but I think you get the gist. What
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: other type of protocols? Hormones are a big deal. I
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: think understanding, we touched upon this a little bit, As
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: people age, I think the most tangible thing that happens
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: is that their hormones decline, right? And there's a lot
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: of hormones. Hormones, by definition, are just messenger molecules. So
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: we have adrenal hormones, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone. There's thyroid hormone,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: which works with metabolism. There's insulin, is a signaling hormone
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: that helps get glucose utilized. There's growth hormone, which is
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: an anabolic hormone. Testosterone, another anabolic hormone, probably the biggest
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: deal for men. There's estrogen, progesterone. You can see there's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a lot. And so what we like to do is
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: understand someone's, where they are, and if clinically and in
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: the lab they're low or they're exhibiting signs of deficiencies,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: we may consider replacing those deficiencies with bioidentical hormones. So
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: for men, testosterone is the first and obvious place to look.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: Most men don't realize that low testosterone in a man
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: is the number one risk factor for heart disease, stroke, depression,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: and dementia. Is it really? Yeah, it's a big deal.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Big deal. As well as if you look at the studies,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: clinical studies, men who replace their testosterone report a higher
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: quality of life across the board. So again, the goal
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: is not to manipulate. The goal is not to make
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: your arms as big as your legs unless you are
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: a bodybuilder and you want to do that. We never
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: want to manipulate the hormones. We want to help you
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: get back. And we want to trial you. taking this
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: hormone or those hormones and see how you feel, see
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: how you respond. For most people, it's a very positive experience.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: The goal is never to make someone younger. I think
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: that's a silly, silly goal. The goal is to help
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: people feel their best so they can perform their best
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: at any age. So what.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: what level T should somebody have?
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, are we shooting for... It's relative. We had
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: it when we were 21. Some people say that.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: So here's how I look at it is, you know,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: we want to go to the regular doctor and it's like, oh,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: you're great for your age.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's talk about that.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about where do reference ranges come from, right?
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: Reference ranges come from what's in the population. And as
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: we've talked about the majority of people in the population,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: we're talking about adults, overweight, tired, depressed, and taking at
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: this point, multiple pharmaceuticals. So just being in that range
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: to me is mediocre. I don't want anyone to be mediocre.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Life's too short to be mediocre. So when we're looking
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: at the ranges, we want it to be on the
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: upper end of the range, right? And so it doesn't
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: mean like, for example, testosterone range, most labs, normal is
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: going to be somewhere between 200 and we'll say 1500.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Some labs it's more, some labs it's less. It doesn't
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: mean you have to be 1500 to feel your best
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: by no means. Again, it's exploration. Everyone's different. Everyone has
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: different stories that they tell, the stories they experience, life
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: that they live. So if we do a trial of testosterone,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: over time we find, hey, I'm feeling great, and we
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: draw their blood and it's 800, great. It doesn't mean
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: we have to shoot for the moon, and it certainly
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean we want to manipulate it and get super physiologic,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: you know? Because any kind of thing you do to
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: the body, there's going to be other things it affects.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: When men take more testosterone, they're going to make more estrogen.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that's good, but if they're making too much estrogen,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: they feel bloated, swollen, they gain water weight, they get
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: really emotional. Some of these hormones, I think of them
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: like kids on a playground. Some of them like testosterone.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: They're a fun, happy kid. Everyone wants more testosterone. Other
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: hormones like cortisol or stress hormones like the big bad bully.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: Too much cortisol, too little cortisol has a negative impact
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: on other hormones. In terms of testosterone, because this is
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: a great question, if we start and someone is low,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: I just want them to be higher associated with how
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: they feel. Now, does that mean that if we measure
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: and they say, hey, I'm I think I could sleep
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: better that we can't try going a little higher. Sure,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: if it's appropriate. But I think there's an interesting book.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: It's called The Trouble with Testosterone. And it was written
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: by this guy. He's a sociologist at Stanford called, his
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: name is Robert Sapolsky. And he studies baboons in the wild.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: He also wrote another book called Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: Fascinating guy, that talks about stress. But The Trouble with
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Testosterone to summarize is He found that in the baboon population,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: you have the alpha male with the highest level of testosterone.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: And then you have the number five in the pecking
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: order with the lowest level of testosterone. No shit. Both
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: of those had the shortest lifespan. Number one, number five
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: had the shortest lifespan. The longest lifespan was number three,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: right in the middle. And his theory was, if you're
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: number one, you're always trying to stay number one. That's
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: very stressful. If you're number five, you're always trying to
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: get to the top. That's very stressful. If you're number three,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: you're good, but you don't have to be too good.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: And I think that applies to a lot of things
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: in life. So to answer your question, I just want
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: people to be closer to the top, but based on
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: how they feel. The more stuff we use, the more
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: side effects we're going to have. Hormones, I think, talking
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: about protocols, they're foundational. For a female, it's thyroid hormone.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: It used to be progesterone. It's a thyroid hormone. Low
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: thyroid in women has become an epidemic. Most women in
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: their 40s and 50s are going to have some thyroid problems.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not a pessimist, I'm just a realist. What do
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: you think about GLP-1? Great question. I think, by and large,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: they're a great tool. And I've seen this, right? I
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: think we've been using semaglutide, terazepatide for almost six years now,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: maybe seven years. And I think they work. If I
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: am looking at a weight loss tool, I think it's
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: the most reliable right now. Now, I think you have
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: to use it judiciously. I think that helping people start
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: at a low dose, take their time, go slowly, There's
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: never urgency to me to lose weight. You know, I
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: hear from people, I need to lose weight in a month.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I remember some of these supermodels I work with, hey,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a shoot in two weeks. Can we get
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: any season? Yeah, like, can we get it? We got
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: to have good expectations. But for most people, the vast
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: majority of us, there's no urgency, right? We want to
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: take our time. And the way they work is they are,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: it's a signaling molecule. So it's slowing down gastric emptying.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: So your food, as it goes through your stomach and
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: your digestive tract is going to be slowed down. So
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: you're going to feel full faster. As you feel full faster,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to eat as much. If you don't
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: eat as much, you're going to lose weight, but you're
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: going to do so and you're not going to feel cranky.
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  Speaker 1: I think they can be very effective that way. I
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: really do. And by and large, if we use them
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  Speaker 1: judiciously and take our time, we really don't see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of side effects. The trouble seemingly that we have now,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: and it's not really trouble, is people don't want to
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: come off of them. And so people want to stay
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: on them because they're like, I'm afraid I'm going to
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: lose the weight back. And I understand that. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I think if we're using low dose and we're checking
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  Speaker 1: in and we're monitoring, we're probably good. What I'm starting
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: to see is that higher dose, whatever that is, but
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: higher dose, people are experiencing anhedonia. They're coming back and
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: they don't find pleasure anymore. They don't enjoy sex. They
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to drink coffee. Tequila doesn't taste good. They're
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: just not as satisfied. And so I think it's showing
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't just work on the food pathways. It's
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: working on pleasure pathways. Mm-hmm. And it's going to be
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: interesting to see how it plays out. But as a tool,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: I think they can be very effective. We've also learned
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people with autoimmune disease and chronic
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: inflammation can benefit from low-dose DLP1s. So I'm a fan
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: if used appropriately. We monitor. I do have some people
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: who overshoot. I had a patient just A couple months ago,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: I called her out and said, hey, I think this is,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: you're going too far too fast. You're not looking healthy.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: You've lost weight, I get it, but we gotta dial
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: that back. And she appreciated it. Like everything, there's always
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: gonna be bad apples who have done it. Yeah. What
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: about ozone? Ozone's interesting. which is technically O3 and kind
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: of falls in this category of like oxygen therapies, traditionally
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: has been used for many decades, primarily for wound healing, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so the idea, and it still is, because the
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: more we need to heal a wound, we need more
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: oxygen in that environment. This is why hyperbaric oxygen in
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: the setting of wound healing is very powerful, very powerful.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: My wife just had this complicated nose surgery and the surgeon,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: as part of the recovery, have to go into hyperbaric
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: oxygen after the treatments for days upon days. Because he
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: found that after having a surgery, you can accelerate the healing.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: And she's found that. She's really enjoyed the hyperbaric oxygen.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: And that, you know, the trouble with oxygen not to
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: get too far off the path is, or to get
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: oxygen into our system, this is what happens with CPAP.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: We have to pressurize it, right? And so the idea
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: with people having sleep apnea, if they have a decreased airway,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: and they're not getting enough oxygen to their brain, you
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: can't just have them breathe in oxygen. They won't get
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: more oxygen into their system. So you have to pressurize it.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: So then we have these devices that sit on the
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: side of the bed, which no one likes, but it
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: allows for more oxygen to get to the brain so
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: they don't have apneic events where their blood oxygen is
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: dropping too low. Ozone, tying it back in, is another
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: one of these therapies that helps oxygenate our tissues. And
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: so what we do in our office, there's different ways
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: to do ozone. is we'll start an IV, and then
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: we'll draw the blood out into a bag. It's a
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: pump system, so it draws the blood out into a bag.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: We take oxygen gas, we turn it into ozone, which
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: is O3. So we're taking O2 to O3, putting that
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: in the blood, mixing it, and then we're turning the
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: bag over and running that blood back in. We run
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: it through a UV light to essentially clean it, and
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: we're kind of oxygenating their system. Now, industrially, ozone gas
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: is used to clean out used cars. It has a
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: you know, disinfected effect. So we think of that happening
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: in the body. So we've seen it with people who
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: have chronic, not necessarily chronic, but things going in their
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: gut or post-viral, or they're coming down with an infection.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: They have a bacterial infection, a viral infection, a yeast infection.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: You can use ozone successfully to help clean out that
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: system and then allows their own innate immune system to
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: strengthen and work. So I think it works well for that,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: but it also works as an oxygenator which just helps
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: people have more energy. How often should somebody be doing that?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: It's variable. I think it depends on what they're working on.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: If just from a pure preventive, I want to be
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: my best, I want people to try it. If they
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: feel good from it, maybe once a month. I don't
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: necessarily think more than that. Maybe once every couple months.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: If they're working on stuff, we've had people who, whether
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: it's post-COVID or some other viral thing, they're doing it
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: twice a week. So it just depends. Twice a week, wow. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: It's very safe. And again, it has a long history.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Have you seen these... I can't remember what they call it.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: I think I know what you're talking about. People have
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: the bags of yellow. It looks like they pissed in
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: a bag. Yeah. What is that? Plasma phoresis. Yeah. So
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: what they're doing is like dialysis.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: And so the idea is, is we're going to clean
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: the blood really, really well. And so their, their plasma
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: exchange is basically what it is. So they're, drawing their
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: blood out. They're separating the components. The plasma or serum
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: is the fluid. They take the red blood cells out
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: and they run it through filters or something. And then
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: they run it back in. And the stuff that they're
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: holding is kind of what they call the debris. Now,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's more hype than anything. And the reason
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: I say that is I've known several people to do
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: this treatment and they're like, eh, didn't notice much. The
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: other thing I think about maybe I'm thinking the wrong way,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, is dialysis, they don't get better. If
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: someone has chronic kidney disease and they're on dialysis, that
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't get better because they're doing dialysis. Dialysis is filtering
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: their blood so they can remain alive, essentially. So I
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a stretch to say, we're
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: just going to clean your blood and you're going to
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: be even healthier. I'm not saying it's bad, but it
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: tends to be very expensive and I've heard it's very uncomfortable.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: So when I try to evaluate therapies, I don't want
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: to do things that are hurting people per se, and
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: there has to be some efficacy. In fact, a lot
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: of efficacy. So you're kind of on the fence about this?
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not on the fence. I don't recommend it. You
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: don't recommend it? Not plasmapheresis, no. I don't recommend it
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: at all. I looked into offering it in training, and
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: the training was exorbitantly expensive. The business model didn't make
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: sense to me. And you have to charge people. I
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: think people are paying $ 15, 000, $ 20, 000 per trip. I looked
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: at it. Per session? Yeah, per one. I can't make
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: sense of that. I have a hard time understanding that,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: particularly when people tell me directly, multiple people, didn't notice anything.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: You're going to spend that much money, I would hope
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: you notice something. Same thing with like peptides, a little
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: bit off topic. If you're injecting yourself with something on
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: a regular basis, I hope you're feeling it. I don't
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: want it to be that people are just injecting, well,
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's working. I want you to feel it.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: So I'm not a fan of plasmapheresis. I understand why
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: people would do it, right? Again, it's all contextual. If
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: someone had cancer, if someone had some grave disease, why not? Again,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: why not try everything? But... I want to go back
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: to the light plasma. Say that again? Light plasma. P-E-M-F.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: Light plasma. Yeah, the... the PEMF with the magnetic therapy.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: So what is that doing? I'm not, this is not
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: my subject matter. The way I think about what has
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: been explained to me, we're electrical beings, right? And so
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: electricity is kind of how, we had electricity before we
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: had chemicals, meaning there was charge potential, there was voltage.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: We know that, for example, Our mitochondria maintain, or our
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: cells maintain a voltage to exchange ions or exchange different
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: minerals to allow cellular processes to continue. Gross oversimplification. That
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: electricity also creates a magnetic current. And that magnetic current
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: can get incoherent. And what the PEMF does is is
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: essentially lines up. People are familiar with magnetic therapy, right?
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: Two things repel and then you put positive minus and
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: you get attraction. We're trying to get our cells lined
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: up so there's coherence again. So why would someone want
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: to do that? Well, a lot of people are living
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: with pain, inflammation. My wife's got a lot of kind
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: of stored up tension, pain in her muscles and She's
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: done a lot of that PEMF and really finds it
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: to make a difference.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: And it's non-invasive. And you're looking at 15, 20-minute sessions,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes longer. But in the terms of looking at the
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: body contextually, you know, more holistically, it's more than just chemicals.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm excited about incorporating some of
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: these energy devices from PEMF to hydrogen gas inhalation, vibrational plate,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: We're also looking at vibroacoustic therapy, which is sound as
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: mechanical therapy. Everybody's just like, yeah. So there's this pod
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: I just trialed. It's called Solodome, S-O-L-O-D-O-M-E. And basically sit
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: in it, and there's different frequencies you can apply, different songs,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: but it's basically helping your cells get tuned. Again, a
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people say, oh, that's quackery, that's woo-woo. I
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: don't think so. You know, our physical being is both mechanical,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: it's electrical, it's magnetic, it's chemical, it's all of the above.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: These therapies that, you know, are non-invasive, again, going back
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: to ancient traditions, drumming, drumming, I mean, this has a
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: very profound effect on people. Rhythm, sound, different frequency, it's
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: a big deal. So we're just trying to understand it.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you create an environment for the
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: human to thrive, not just be mediocre? Any other protocols?
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: I think for people to do at home is, you know,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about HRV therapy or HRV understanding, right?
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Heart rate variability. And what that means is like the
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: in-between the beats of the heart beating. We should have coherence.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: I've said that word a lot. In-sync-ness. It should be in-sync.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: So people are using their Whoop or their Oura Ring
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: or their Apple Watch and trying to get an HRV reading,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: which ties into their readiness score, their sleep score. And
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's fine. I think those are probably not
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: the best ways. I think the best way is to get,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: like Garmin makes a chest strap called the Polar device.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: You just put it on, there's an app, and you
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: can do HRV testing. And I think it makes sense
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: for people to do this at home when you wake
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: up in the afternoon, understand your baseline, and then examine
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: what you do, whether it's behaviorally or things you take,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: and see how your HRV is affected. The higher the
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: HRV has been associated with better health outcomes. So that's
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: something I think is important for people to consider. Easy, right?
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: Not complicated. You don't have to do it every day,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: but just try to get a baseline. Understand yourself. I
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: think what's missing for people is self-awareness. And for better
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: or for worse, people are looking for permission for people
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: to do things. That's become very popular. Listen to that podcast.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: They said to do that. Well, try it out. See
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: how it works for you. You know what I mean?
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of exploring that and wanting people
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: to explore it. Everyone's different. I commonly hear, particularly with peptides, hey,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: my brother or my cousin was doing this peptide. They're
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: doing amazing. Why aren't I? Well, you're very different than
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: your brother and your cousin. It doesn't mean it can't
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: work for you, but maybe you need a different dose.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe you need different dosing. Maybe you need twice a
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: day instead of once a day. That's what we like
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: trying to help people do is figure out that individualization.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: What am I missing? I don't know. I think we've
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, this is awesome. Doc? I just want
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: to say, Sean, you're doing amazing work. You've had an
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: amazing life. God's really chosen you to do some heavy lifting.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you're selfless. You sacrifice yourself. throughout your life, uh,
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: means a lot that I get to know you, that
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: you invite me to have conversations with your audience. And
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: just want you to know, speaking for the rest of
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: your audience, how grateful we are for someone like you.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, um, when you do have
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice and you do have to do heavy lifting,
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you it's noticed. And from my
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: vantage point, it's very much appreciated. Thank you. Thank you.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. Thank you for saying that.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: And, um, Hope to see you open an office here
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: in Middle Tennessee.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: See you.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: But I'll keep going to South Carolina in the meantime.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. All right, Doc. It was an honor.
• 2:16:29
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