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Boys, It's the Bisbee Massacre · Beheaded

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SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Season 7, Episode 4.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
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SPEAKER_00: Happy New Year.
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SPEAKER_00: Happy New Year, everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: We made it.
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SPEAKER_00: Did we?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean Are we?
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SPEAKER_00: I just say that every year because you never quite know.
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SPEAKER_00: We're grateful to be here.
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SPEAKER_00: Happy to be here.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, hope everyone had a great holiday.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, we just did our annual book exchange.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Some good ones.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, we've talked about this before, but every year for Christmas, we usually go to like an old used bookstore and we pick up some really cool like classic finds or old-worldly finds.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we swap.
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SPEAKER_00: And tell me what you got.
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SPEAKER_01: I got two books.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, part of a collection.
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SPEAKER_01: They are part of the University of California Press English Monarchs by Charlie Ross.
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SPEAKER_01: They look very librarian.
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SPEAKER_01: They're red.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a cool like lion.
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SPEAKER_01: Lion, very medieval-looking lion gold foil on the front.
1:07
SPEAKER_01: And one is on Edward IV, and the second is on Richard III.
1:11
SPEAKER_01: Yay! Very relevant to some of our recent episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the man when I checked out really respected my choices.
1:20
SPEAKER_00: We always talk about the guys at the book gallery.
1:22
SPEAKER_00: And I think he was like, oh wow, she's learned.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a smart gal.
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SPEAKER_01: She is a smart woman.
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SPEAKER_01: What did you get, Elizabeth?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I asked one.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's a mystery.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, Megan prefaced my gifts by saying, one's cheap and one's shitty.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, thanks.
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SPEAKER_00: You always preface an explanation.
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SPEAKER_00: Reached in the bag and I grabbed the first one.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's a copy of Emma by Jane Austen.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: But Megan bound the book.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that how I should say it?
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SPEAKER_01: I bound the book.
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SPEAKER_01: I said, what looks weird about this book?
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SPEAKER_01: And the first thing is Elizabeth's like, well, it's kind of crooked looking.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's got character.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a like a lopsided binding.
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SPEAKER_00: That's why it is a little lopsided.
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SPEAKER_00: Like one side you can't tell.
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SPEAKER_00: The one side looks fine.
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SPEAKER_01: The other side, you're like, oh, it's just kind of, you know, those the books hanging out of the sleeve a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not perfectly straight because I'm an I'm a beginner.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, but she said it took five hours, and I think there's a lot of love poured into this.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's a cute, like, what do you call it?
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SPEAKER_00: It's like a wallpaper inside.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a very floral in inside paper flap.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: So if you're on the YouTube, look how beautiful this inside.
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SPEAKER_01: Honestly, bookbinding is really fun.
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SPEAKER_01: I got into it a couple months ago, and I've been doing that for Christmas gifts.
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SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, basically you can take any paperback coffee, like any paperback book, or rip off the paperback cover, which is very hard to do to rip up a book.
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SPEAKER_01: But you're like, I'm gonna make it prettier.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you rip it or can you like Xacto knife it or scissors?
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SPEAKER_01: Probably why mine looks so crooked.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you pick out the fabric, like you basically make the hardcover.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: You wrap it in a fabric of choice, book binding fabric, and you get some like cool scrapbook paper to match it.
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SPEAKER_01: The one thing I didn't do is I don't have a crooked or like the machine to make the foil font to make the title and everything on the gold.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to so you and you just have a blank book.
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SPEAKER_00: I see.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is a blank book.
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SPEAKER_00: Mystery book.
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SPEAKER_00: Mystery crooked book.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's beautiful and it's Emma, which is one of my favorite stories.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I'm very excited to have it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of love went into it.
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unknown: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like when you lick the spatula.
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SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: Lick the spatula.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't understand how that goes here, but when you like bake and you make it with love and it's because your DNA and germs is in it.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't know that.
3:48
SPEAKER_01: I probably sneezed on it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm getting over a cold if you can't hear it in my voice a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh well.
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SPEAKER_01: Either way, thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but what is fancy with gold lettering is the Egyptian book of the dead that Megan also gave me.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey.
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SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
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SPEAKER_01: You can just search Google and buy that.
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SPEAKER_01: Was this the cheapy one you were saying?
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SPEAKER_01: So you're like, that one's shitty and this one's cheap.
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SPEAKER_00: I still think it's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
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SPEAKER_00: It's it's funny because I I didn't make it.
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SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you guys know I love the m the mummy movies, and I was like, I thought this would be bigger.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like a tiny little book.
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SPEAKER_01: There's like a barcode on the back.
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SPEAKER_00: Legit.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's still very beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: There's really nice illustrations in it.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Look at that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're on YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01: If not, you're missing out.
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SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: I tried to read a few sentences to Megan, and I legit like it's really hard to read.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's just because of the translation or like things don't quite make sense, but this one just says, like Annie kneeling beside a pool of water, where where grows a sycamore tree, in the tree appears the goddess Nut pouring water into Annie's hands from a vessel.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just like that's what stories kind of sound like.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a good evening read.
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SPEAKER_01: You can summon some like Egyptian demons.
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SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say something.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: This is uh there's they keep talking about a mother nut in this book.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: I just gotta tell you, you don't you're not expected to read it page by page, which is what you do whenever I give you a book, and I appreciate that you put so much thought into it.
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SPEAKER_01: You know I will.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't have to read the entire Egyptian book of the dead.
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SPEAKER_00: I read everything I own.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: I've said this before, like, and sorry, I'm basically insulting 99% of our population.
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SPEAKER_00: Including me, so it's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Including Megan, but like it drives me crazy when people own like really nice coffee table books, like art books or history books, and they don't know what's in them.
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SPEAKER_00: So like I'll go to someone's house, I'll like flip through it, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this this really cool book on I don't know, I'm giving a topic, random topic.
5:39
SPEAKER_00: And share your design.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, that's broad.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: French cottage design.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: Sure, yeah, French cottage design.
5:45
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I'll like be like, oh wow, look at this thing.
5:47
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, oh, I've never looked at that.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, You own it.
5:50
SPEAKER_00: You own it.
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SPEAKER_00: This is in your house.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like part of your identity.
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SPEAKER_00: So I mean, I I haven't read everything in my house right now because I actually have a lot I need to read, but my goal is to read every single one.
6:00
SPEAKER_00: And for a time I was caught up.
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SPEAKER_00: For a time, I read every single one in my house.
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SPEAKER_01: I definitely have books in my house, which is always really fun to be like, oh, what am I gonna read?
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SPEAKER_01: And then you just pick something you haven't read before.
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SPEAKER_01: It is nice.
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SPEAKER_01: Like Belle.
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SPEAKER_01: You have a library.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what a library is.
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SPEAKER_00: But you are also like, you'll have the intention of at least looking through them one day.
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SPEAKER_00: The intention goes out very far, though.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say, like, we had a mutual friend once who just bought things based on like the color, and that drove me crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, we're like, oh wow, you have this book on this thing, and she's like, Oh, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I like the color of the cover.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, can't judge a book by its cover.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, well, cool.
6:35
SPEAKER_01: Well, that was fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Um good holiday.
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SPEAKER_00: We do have some things to discuss, actually.
6:42
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, good holiday, Elizabeth.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, it was great.
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SPEAKER_00: I stayed in Arizona this year, and uh, we went to a local wedding, and then I've been to like 70 weddings, and this is only the third local wedding I went to.
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SPEAKER_00: So thank you, friends, for getting married in Arizona.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: So it begins our lovely bride to be.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, the weddings.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I had an overall, I had a good holiday.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, I did get some, I like honestly, to me, this isn't TMI.
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SPEAKER_01: If some people are like, oh, I ain't going into your whole medical history on a public podcast.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, this is important.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: It is.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm actually, I'm only telling listeners because we're gonna have to take a little bit of a hiatus probably on our episodes for a bit.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, nothing serious, but I do have to have um, I have a should I say all this?
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Is this weird?
7:30
SPEAKER_01: It's up to you if you want to.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I I mean I didn't never talk about my relationship before.
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SPEAKER_01: I talked about that last episode.
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SPEAKER_01: Ashamed by it, but whatever you're comfortable sharing.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: Maybe someone will be connecting and be like, I had that too.
7:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a a tumor in my parotid gland, which is that sounds very serious.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: It's in your saliva gland and it's in my neck, basically.
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SPEAKER_01: So, long story short, they gotta remove it, which does not sound like fun.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: But you gotta do it.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: I gotta do it.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's happening mid-January.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna be a little bit out of commission.
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SPEAKER_01: The recovery sounds like it's gonna suck.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be a tough recovery.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie.
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SPEAKER_01: There's like drainage tube.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, I don't need to get into it.
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SPEAKER_01: But anyways, that I won't get TMI on.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyways, nothing serious, but I gotta just get it taken care of, which isn't great timing with the show.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:29
SPEAKER_01: So I I'll keep you guys like, you know, posted.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll have a lot of time on my couch and my bed.
8:34
SPEAKER_01: So you might see the most content you've ever seen from if anyone wants pictures of stitches, I am all for it.
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SPEAKER_01: Say it.
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SPEAKER_00: Lean into it.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: There's a reason we have the show.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna own it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see the tumor sticking out of my neck.
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SPEAKER_01: You have but a little neck.
8:48
SPEAKER_01: And now this is how you get people to watch the YouTube show.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: Now they're like, oh, let me zoom in on her neck.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, after after the surgery, our our YouTube viewers are just gonna explode.
8:57
SPEAKER_00: They're like, gotta see this.
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SPEAKER_01: So we'll figure out the recording schedule.
9:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have like a bit of a like a droop face for a little bit.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh maybe.
9:05
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's temporary.
9:06
SPEAKER_00: Again, all this is temporary, you're gonna be just fine.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:09
SPEAKER_00: I told Megan, I was like, if you need me to just go over and hang out with you, like, like literally just sit on your couch, watch like history documentaries, like I'm all here for you.
9:18
SPEAKER_00: So whatever you need, I'm gonna be able to do it.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: Gonna be grumpy.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we support you, listeners support you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be just fine.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
9:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, but we do have things to look forward to.
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SPEAKER_01: We do.
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SPEAKER_01: We do, and I know we're cramming in a lot here in our in our we go from everything from holidays to what is called paratodectomies.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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SPEAKER_01: To 2027 travel.
9:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: Already.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: So we'll talk about it.
9:43
SPEAKER_00: We've mentioned uh this company a few times, but when we went to Salt Lake City to go to a lecture um featuring Susannah Lipscomb, uh that we got introduced to this husband and wife team.
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SPEAKER_00: They're called author fan travel and they coordinate these wonderful trips mostly in Europe.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: I'd say like some some well, they were doing a lot of London now.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: They kind of go elsewhere because it gets too crazy in London.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: Like they they pick very uh popular uh historians, authors to travel with.
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SPEAKER_00: So they've kind of had to remove themselves from like the crazy scenes.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but yes, tell us a little bit about these voyage.
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SPEAKER_01: Author fan travel.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about them before.
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SPEAKER_01: You're gonna hear about them a lot in our upcoming episodes because it is officially confirmed.
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SPEAKER_01: Like we are in, we are signed up.
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SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth and I are going April 24th through April 29th, 2027.
10:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So you have tons of time to prepare on a tutor cruise, and it is hosted by no other than Professor Susanna Lipscomb, Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Owen Emerson, and Kate McCaffrey.
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SPEAKER_01: So three of our most favorite historians, two-thirds of which have been on the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so, anyways, this is a tutor-centric tour, and you're going to some really interesting places, which is going to be Brussels, Antwerp, Rotterdam, and Amsterdam.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: Fabulous.
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SPEAKER_01: Which you don't typically associate with tutor history.
11:09
SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: But evidently it's there.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to be focusing on Catherine of Aragon, Anne of Cleves, Sir Thomas More, yeah, you, Catherine Parr, Elizabeth I, and of course, our girl Anne Boleyn.
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SPEAKER_01: So um, we are going to be there.
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SPEAKER_01: You can get tickets too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, if you do get a ticket, or if you're interested, or if you want to talk about it, you need details, first go to Author Fan Travel, get all the details, learn about it.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then when when you do sign up, make sure you mention Beheaded.
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SPEAKER_01: And we are the ones who introduce you to such a beautiful and amazing tour that we are incredibly excited for.
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SPEAKER_01: I just I just wish it was sooner.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: Do they get any kind of discount if they mentioned Beheaded?
11:51
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you could try.
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SPEAKER_01: Use a promo code called Beheaded and see what happens.
11:58
SPEAKER_00: We will buy you a drink on the cruise.
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SPEAKER_01: We will buy you two drinks.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow, we're very gentle.
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SPEAKER_01: I will buy one and you will buy one.
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SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: What if they don't drink?
12:08
SPEAKER_01: Cupcake?
12:09
SPEAKER_00: Iced tea, cheese, perhaps.
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SPEAKER_01: Whatever you like.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyways.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, author fan travel.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what you gotta look up.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll post some things.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll be posting lots of things up to it, but but don't like drag your feet.
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SPEAKER_01: I know it seems like it's a long this really isn't a sales pitch.
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SPEAKER_01: This is me honestly telling you tickets will go out and it's going to be really cool.
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SPEAKER_01: This is your chance to like literally hang out, meet some of your favorite historians.
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SPEAKER_01: This isn't like a one-day little like you see them from a distance and they do a lecture.
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SPEAKER_01: You are on a boat with them.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to be pretty intimate for several days.
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SPEAKER_01: And not a lot of spots available.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, not a lot of spots available.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: They're already going really fast, from what I'm being told.
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SPEAKER_01: So get on it now.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: It seems like it's far away, but the tickets are going fast.
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SPEAKER_00: So look into that.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: Plan ahead.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: I think we successfully got through all of our points of updates.
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SPEAKER_01: Good.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: I was like, we're gonna have to split this up into multiple episodes.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: We've got a lot to cover.
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SPEAKER_00: All urgent, all urgent things we gotta get out.
13:09
SPEAKER_00: And again, we will continue to water drop some of these things.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and obviously, if you have questions, like my son of a gland, I will absolutely keep you updated on that.
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SPEAKER_01: Water drop photos going to anyone who buys us a coffee.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, gross.
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SPEAKER_01: No photos.
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SPEAKER_01: You're you do whatever you want, Megan.
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SPEAKER_01: If that's what you want to do, well up to you.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we're kind of excited for tonight's episode.
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SPEAKER_01: We are.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's home for us.
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SPEAKER_00: Literally.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so we knew we wanted our next episode to be in the US of A.
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SPEAKER_00: And we were debating between a few stories that take place uh stateside, but we found one.
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SPEAKER_00: Actually, did you find this one, I think, when you went to Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, we found one that is Arizona local.
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SPEAKER_00: So this one only takes place about three hours from where we are right now in southeastern Arizona.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is all about the Bisbee massacre and the Bisbee bandits who well, we won't reveal too much right now.
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SPEAKER_00: But let's just say they didn't have a great ending.
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SPEAKER_01: As we as we've said in the past, if you end up on a show called Beheaded, it doesn't fare well for our protagonists in the story.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I came across this in Tombstone.
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SPEAKER_01: So actually, which is weird, this is the anniversary to that I went to Tombstone.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I went, yeah, today as we're recording this, because I went last year for my husband's 40th birthday.
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SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, we're about three hours, two, two hours and 45 minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so we're up in Phoenix area.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
14:47
SPEAKER_01: And then you go south a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01: And of course, Tombstone, like the movie.
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SPEAKER_01: We're talking Doc Holiday, Wyatt Urb, famous cowboys, famous okay Corral shootout.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but then even more south of that is Bisbee.
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SPEAKER_01: But a lot of the story, which we'll get into, also takes place in Tombstone.
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SPEAKER_01: So while I was in Tombstone, I came across in their museum a lot of artifacts and different things we'll get into about it.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, whoa, this has got to be a cool episode.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: And so I've I feel like it's been, it's been a long time coming.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: It's been a year waiting for this story.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: We're pretty excited about it.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: And if you've never heard of the Bisbee Massacre, it does have a few other names it's known by.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: It's also known as the Bisbee Murders or the Bisbee Raid, if you've heard of those things.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Fun fact.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, so this is essentially all centered around heist, and it turns murderous very quickly.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: And there's a few different characters.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: There is one main protagonist we're gonna focus on, uh, but then we'll talk about how that ties in with some of the other Bisbee Bandit stories.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: So the main person we're gonna focus on, and again, there's gonna be other players in this, but is a man named John Heath.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: So John Heath is originally born in Texas in 1855, and his parents are John and Sarah, very basic names.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: I know.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they have lived in the South pretty much their whole life.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: They lived in Louisiana briefly, and then they came back to Texas.
16:13
SPEAKER_00: So all throughout essentially his young life 20s, he's he's moving all around the different southern states.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Some weren't even states yet, because we have to remember this is like early, early America.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then when he was about 20 years old, I think the year was 1875, he married a woman named Virginia, Tennessee, Jenny Farrell.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, so they're married, they're kind of settling into their life, and uh, they're, I think, had a decent marriage for a few years before he starts kind of doing some shady things.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: And he's a man who's used to crossing state lines and seeing a bunch of different places, learning about a bunch of different tiny towns in the South.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: Do you think he went through both Virginia and Tennessee?
16:54
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna make that joke too.
16:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, shoot! I thought it was so clever.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: I like that too.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: Who names their daughter Virginia, Tennessee?
17:01
SPEAKER_01: Someone who's only been to those two states.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: They're like, I know, I know a good name for this girl.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: I know the most beautiful name.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: So, so yeah, about uh age 27 uh for for John.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: This is now the year 1882.
17:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it was him and Jenny or just him, but they open up this saloon in Clifton, Arizona.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: And Clifton, you're looking at our micro map.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I like that we're holding our mics tonight because I can look and twist around.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: I know.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: And it's still audio.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, side note, we had to pivot from our like mic arms because someone forgot their clasp for their mic arm.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: For panic.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: We don't know who.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: My microphone named Panic, and I may have lost some pieces.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: So Payne said, well, why don't we just hold them?
17:52
SPEAKER_00: And this is actually going really well.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: I really like this.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: I like it too.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: So either just John or John and Jenny decide to open up the saloon in Clifton, Arizona.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: And we should note that Arizona is not a state yet either.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: It is just known as the Arizona Territory.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: So it's very much the wild, wild west.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, so they have the saloon.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: I believe John at this time is starting to get into some rowdy circles.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: We don't know this yet about him.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: Like the we kind of learn this later once more events happen in his life.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: But around this time, he starts getting into a few burglaries, robberies.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: He is accused of running a house of prostitution.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what cattle wrestling is, but he's a killing cattle.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Right?
18:37
SPEAKER_01: I think.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: It's funny that they also differentiate to like, oh, he's a burglar and a robber and a cattle rustler.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, but aren't those all the same?
18:44
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even think of that.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: What's the difference?
18:47
SPEAKER_01: A burglar burglariizes.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: I can never say that.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: Especially with a cold, I can't burgl burglarize.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: And this is just a stupid question, I guess, at this point.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: So is burglary like you burglarize a house, whereas a robbery is like you rob a person on the street?
19:01
SPEAKER_01: Or is it like you break in?
19:03
SPEAKER_00: Like burglarize is break and enter, and rob is just take things.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: Now we're just making things up.
19:10
SPEAKER_00: Um get up later.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: We'll look that one up later.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: But he was accused of all those things.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: So at some point he does separate from Jenny.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: Jenny doesn't, unfortunately, spend a lot of time with him because she realizes not the best guy.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: So at some point, he decides to try his luck in Bisbee, Arizona.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: So even though he has his like thriving saloon in Clifton, he decides I'm gonna try the same thing and open up like another saloon or maybe house of ill repute.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't know his intentions, in Bisbee.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: This is also when he starts to make new acquaintances.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna name them really quick.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: They all have fun little cowboy names, as everyone does in this era.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: But there's Dan, Big Dan Dodd, James Tex Howard, Omer Red Sample, Daniel York Kelly, and William Billy Delaney.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: And I think for ease of this conversation, maybe we'll just call them by their cowboy names.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: So Tex, Big Dan, Red, York, and Billy?
20:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: That's kind of cute.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Very cute.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Little gang, little like they're just friends, you know, and they call themselves our little nicknames.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, yeah, I get it, they're not like the best of men, but kind of cute.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: They got their nicknames.
20:21
SPEAKER_00: They're little gang.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: So, so essentially they they start running in the same circles together.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: And then they get wind of something that happens in a Bisbee mercantile store.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: So in Bisbee, there is the Copper Queen mine.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: And think in this time, the mine is really the central place for work.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: That's why the town is thriving.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: That's why there's any type of business going through it.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: So most men in the town are working in the mine, which we've talked about before in different scenarios, but Arizona mines or any mines, those are some tough places to work.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, those have been some of the most like interesting tours I've been on, and I've been so mind blown by it.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Mind blown.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: Um, for example, like I don't, I don't know.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: Have you done a mine tour here in Arizona anywhere?
21:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've done one in Arizona.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm from Colorado originally, so I've done a ton in like the Rockies and uh Colorado Springs.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: Gosh, like tough standards to live with.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, they had to work in the pitch black and um just terrible conditions.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: Well, and they could collapse on you at any point.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: You know, they're dynamiting.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: And their pay though was actually pretty good because of how much their life was at risk, especially depending on what your role was in the mine.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: And those who had more dangerous roles were paid more money.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Their payroll for the whole team who worked at the mine uh was always delivered a few days in advance, but before they provided the paychecks, well, like I guess it was cash, right?
22:00
SPEAKER_01: know if they had paychecks um before they gave the cash to the employees it was being held at the gold water in castranda cast no gold water in castaneda castaneda yeah gold water and castaneda mercantile which is just like a little store that's in town yeah and the over the overall payroll was$7,000 which in today's US dollars that equ equates to$236,000 that's decent decent chunk of change.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: If you're splitting it what five six ways like that's not bad.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah not bad at all.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: So they put together this plan that they're going to rob the payroll that is going through this mercantile.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: So Heath partners up with a guy named Nathan Waite and together they open a dance hall which is very conveniently located directly behind this mercantile.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: Also very conveniently they open the dance hall the day that the payroll is scheduled to arrive which is December 8th 1883.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: Interesting and this is the day that the robbery is planned for yep so it's December 8th 1883.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: Five of those boys five of the the boy gang not including John Heath they decide okay this is the night to strike so what they do is they go into well three of them go into Goldwater and Castaneda two stay outside and Tex who's inside is not wearing a mask which is an important part of the story.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Dumb move.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah always wear a mask.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Exactly so I believe it's Tex, York and Billy go inside.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: They start waving their guns around threatening the cashiers and essentially saying hey give us we we we know what's in your safe we know you're holding the payroll like give us all the money.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: All$7,000.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: All$7,000 of them dollars and then uh the people that are running the mercantile essentially have to say hey it hasn't arrived yet.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: You're too early they're probably like I can show you it's empty.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Stop waving your gun at me.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah so they were happy to kind of crack the safe and show them hey money's not really here.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: The guy hasn't shown up yet yeah there there was some cash on hand uh I think they between the safe and then other like hiding spots uh within the mercantile they took and the number varies but between about$800 and$3,000 cash which isn't bad.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah$3,000 that's probably closer to like a hundred grand these these days.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: That's almost a half of what they were expecting to receive pretty big gap.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: But they were there were also some patrons inside of the store and so they were holding everyone up.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: They were like turn out your pockets they even took a gold watch.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah they took gold watch um some jewelry so essentially anything of value they decided to take since they're not going to have their big payday like they thought we they were going to have but while the three are inside robbing, burglarizing, if you will, looting um the the two outside are starting to get I won't I won't say recognized because they had masks on, but people understood what was going on.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: They recognized that there was a robbery taking place.
25:03
SPEAKER_00: So a few kind of local citizens start to stand up to them, ask them questions and they start to panic.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: So the first thing that they do when confronted by someone named JC Tapan Tappanier, if I'm saying that correct looks right to me.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: He was actually an assayer for the local mine and he was leaving a saloon when he saw them.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: So he said something to the effect of I don't know if you wrote down what he said uh I don't have what he said but I have what someone else said.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: Well I have that basically yeah he yells like hey whatever is probably what he said.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: He was like hey like you know get out of there.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: What do you and he gets shot in the head instantly.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: I have the quote from the deputy the deputy sheriff who was at dinner at the Bisbee house which is like a um like a boarding house with a restaurant they see that it's the sheriff and they say you are the one we want which is like a weird thing to say.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: Well I think the sheriff said something first to them probably like drop your weapons I'm a I'm the sheriff.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I'm the sheriff here I also like how you're saying sheriff I don't know why I'm going so suck like so country on this one but it's just like part of the you're getting real twangy this is this is like this is our stuff right here.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: We're normally having to pronounce French words.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Megan Megan's tough with the French names but you give her a good old-fashioned western give me an Arizona shootout and I'm all about it.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: So the deputy sheriff is like hey you there I'm the sheriff in town and they're like you are the one we want and they shoot him next.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: You do and he was having dinner with his wife just like quiet dinner with his wife he wasn't on uh duty or anything he was just like out and about um so JC Tapanier is dead D Tom Smith, the deputy sheriff is dead and then a woman comes out she's actually the one uh running the local boarding house the Bisbee house she comes out and she's you can see her silhouette in the doorway and they shoot her right away.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: I think at this point they're just shooting everyone who's involved.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: And this is super unfortunate trigger warning she ends up being pregnant.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: So they shatter her spine with one shot and obviously she loses the baby in her life as well.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: 33 years old her name was Annie Roberts um yeah that's really sad.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:15
SPEAKER_00: And then that's not enough because there's another guy John A.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: Noly who was a freighter standing next to his wagon.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: I believe a freighter is just like a transport man.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: He's there same thing he's in the line of fire so he gets shot and then one name one man who's called Indian Joe.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Which does that not remind you of like um Tom and Huck like the Disney version oh yeah wasn't there an Indian Joe I don't remember his name but it was something like that.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah I haven't seen that in a while uh Rachelie Cook was in that who is that she's all that girl no I I just know my 90s kids out there Jonathan Taylor Thomas was in it.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Hey we're not getting distracted by Disney movies again.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: But Indian Joan didn't die thank God but he did wound his leg.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: So again at this point like the bandits are panicked they're just shooting everybody um and then they they get the loot they get on their horses and they run away there was another deputy sheriff named William Daniels uh who saw all this happen so he kind of chased after the bandits on foot and he emptied his revolver but missed them and they got away.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean in the end so we had JC the deputy sheriff Annie Roberts John A.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Nolly all shot and killed um so there's four deaths and then Indian Joe was was badly injured.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: So that's a pretty bloody massacre it all happened under five minutes.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: It was really fast.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: I I don't think they went into it expecting all of that would happen but it definitely escalated very quickly and then it just turned into shoot whoever's moving at you.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: But that is a higher death rate than the OK Corral, which is so famous probably just because of the people who were involved with Doc Holiday and White Herb like that's probably the more famous of the shootouts.
29:06
SPEAKER_01: But this one had terrible repercussions, a terrible turnout.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: And I think what makes it so sad is it was the innocent bystanders.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Of course, you know the deputy sheriff I think is there to protect and serve the law.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: So he's like hopefully going at it bravely same with the deputy um Daniels right who was trying to chase after them at the end and didn't get shot.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: But I think the innocent bystanders is what makes this so so sad.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Right because it was just kind of a bloodbath um expected they're just enjoying their evening yeah exactly um and you're probably wondering okay but what about John Heath?
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Like how does he tie into any why did they even talk about him?
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Right.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: Well this is where the story turns and gets very juicy.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: So obviously the robbers we'll call them the Bisbee bandits they they split.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: So they leave uh allegedly they split up the money and parted ways.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: Copper mine company offers$2,000 as a reward for anyone who catches the robbers or you know has critical information.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: It's just a lot of money.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Considering that they were trying to do all this for$7,000 keep talking I'm gonna see what that is I'm gonna look and see what that is in modern day conversion.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: It ain't small.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: But then there's multiple posse that go out and they look for the robbers.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: And who's in one of these possies?
30:25
SPEAKER_00: John Heath.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: So John Heath all of a sudden is this noble righteous man who says don't worry I'm gonna catch the Bisbee bandits guys.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: He goes out with a posse and immediately the people that are with him in his posse start to start to like pick up on fishy signs.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: He starts following cold trails like they're turning around at certain points.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: Megan you look like you know I do know$3,000 in 1883 was approximately$100,000 today.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh but it was$2,000.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh it was$2,000 I wasn't listening I'm so sorry about that.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Try again.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean that would be cool if it was still still a lot of money.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Sorry it's the tumor just ruining my tumor she can't think straight to milk this for all it's worth it's about$77,000.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of money.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: That's good money.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: So John Heath is essentially letting all these trails go cold.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: And the people that are with him are like all right dude you're clearly covering up for these guys like it's to the point where you're ignoring tracks that lead a certain way you know you're leading us astray on these wild goose chases.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: So he immediately becomes a suspect.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: They start investigating his past and they find out all those things we had mentioned before about the other robberies about the house of prostitution.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: They realize oh we don't know who this guy is because he's new to town but he does not have a good track record and now he just lost us the Bisbee bandits.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: So as soon as he kind of gets back into town he's arrested and events I know he's like don't worry guys I'll catch him I'll throw him off the scent for you bros he shouldn't have even gotten involved I think he tried too hard.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: Here he is getting deputized for for helping out with this posse of trying to chase down the bandits.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah and he just put the spotlight on himself yeah do you think he thought it would be more suspicious if he didn't get involved if they're like why isn't that Heath guy who just moved here today and started his business behind the store that got robbed.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean I don't know because who I don't know how many people knew him in town yet.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: He was fairly new he just could have just blended right in instead he's like don't worry guys I'll find them.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry I'll completely change their course of search but eventually they were all caught and I think you have some details on where exactly I know that one was caught in New Mexico two were caught back in Clifton because they went to an old bar they used to win go to and they were like flashing their money around buying everyone drinks and then two were caught in Sonora Mexico.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Not only were they flashing their money but they were also flashing the gold watch that they stole that had the engraving on it of the person who they stole it from and the bartender had a really good eye to catch that which is great attention to detail dude um so the bartender picked up on that and was like these are our guys.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: Very Sherlock Holmesy but yeah Tex with no mask um he was caught in Arizona and then York was in New Mexico Tex and Red were the two who were in Clifton um Dan was in Mexico he got caught after having a brawl in Sonora Sonora yeah thank you I keep wanting to say Sonoma.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: I know when we were going through our notes she's like Sonoma I'm like wow you made it to Napa and also what's kind of cool is um the because the two who were arrested in Mexico the Mexicans got a reward and we couldn't figure out if it was coming from the U.S.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: government or from the mining company they were rewarded they were the ones who received the reward for for catching the two in Mexico.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah they were happy to give up the American who was trying to hide there.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: February 6th they're all indicted they do have two separate trials though uh and this is really important.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: And so to explain why there's the five who were physically involved in the robbery and in the shootings um and because they couldn't fully prove at the time that John Heath was involved he had his own separate trial because he was kind of a different circ situation.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: And I thought this was interesting at the time in 1880.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: We're now in 84 yeah because we're now February 6th so yeah we're now in 1884 even though the three men who were inside the mercantile while they were do they were doing the robbing even though they didn't kill anybody it was only the two guys it was Red and it was who Dan outside yeah red and big dan were the ones outside who were causing all the trouble.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Red and Big Dan were the only ones who shot people but they were all able to get charged for murder because at the time if there was a crime within a crime that resulted in murder inside Joe Dream.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: Sorry what's that's an inception in slash South Park joke.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh if you know you know continue.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know but because the it started as a robbery but then inevitably turned into murder they were all able to get charged for murder which nowadays those would have been all charged very separately one person would have just been charged for robbing.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: You never know though sometimes like I find out laws that still exist that were from like this time and I'm like oh that still exists and you never got rid of that law.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: So actually I mean let's try and rob a local bank and find out that is not on record and we're not doing anything of the sorts to test out the laws of Arizona.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh you thought Megan went away because she had a surgery that's the cover.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah so the trial for the five the five bandits lasted three days they for sure were able through witnesses identify four of the five but that was enough right uh there was enough physical evidence which I do appreciate the fact even though everyone kind of knew it was them they still went through the motions of having the full trial this isn't like if we do so many like tutor history episodes where the trial is just for show, right?
36:33
SPEAKER_01: There's no um real jury who's taking in all the all the sides of the stories there's no attorneys there's no defense attorney there's none of that like and this story actually had all that they all had lawyers there they all had attorneys um wow good for good for America yeah and not only that even though that there was such strong evidence over a three-day trial and they were incredibly confident that these are all the men the jury still took hours of deliberation because they wanted to make sure it was the right sentence in the end.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: A lot of them were calling for innocence for some of them.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah because it it really gave came down the j judicial fact of like well four are identified what about the fifth right but in the end they decided that all five men were guilty and they all received the sentence of first degree murder.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: Now York one of the guys I do love this quote that he said when they did like announce it's first degree murder but they didn't yet say that it was going to be the death penalty his quote was I say to my accent.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh do the accent male boys hemp seems to be Trump's which I was like what the heck does that mean?
37:45
SPEAKER_01: A very Western slogan.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: It is and I thought maybe this was like a well-known phrase and I just didn't pick up on it but it's not even Google kind of had a hard time trying to figure it out and then eventually I found like a Reddit for him.
37:58
SPEAKER_01: Nice very legit, let me tell you that um but what it means and even at the time because um it wasn't a well known phrase I think even the people McCord had to decipher what he meant which kind of shows I feel like York was kind of a clever guy.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: Kind of clever a little bit um the hemp stay is representative of the rope because the nooses back then were made out of hemp.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: And then Trump's is like in a card game, right?
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Trump card.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah you have your trump card which wins.
38:28
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:28
SPEAKER_01: So he's saying well boys hemp so the rope or the noose seems to be Trump.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: So the hemp is gonna win the rope's gonna win we're all gonna hang um then everyone had to go uh Google that later.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: And then everyone was like wow what a wise wise words of wisdom from this cowboy.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: They did motion for a new trial saying bullshit I love this accent I got her tonight.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: The the cold really helps with like the nasal near sounding great thanks but that was denied and so then they were all sentenced to be hanged by the neck until dead.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: And remember those were just the five the Bisbee bandits.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: So now comes the case of John Heath.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: So John Heath again we mentioned this was tried separately and I believe his trial was February 12th 1884.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: And again people were really having a hard time figuring out what to even charge him with because there was no witnesses of him uh planning this uh burglary of helping the bandits aside from like how wonky or not wonky but fishy he was being during the chase.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: No one really had anything to go off of except for like gut feeling and his sketchy past.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Then someone comes forward who apparently was like a cellmate of his when he was in jail.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: He was in prison or jail, whatever you want to call it with his five cronies and they were all talking about how the plan went wrong and what they could have done differently.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: So that proves that he was the mastermind.
39:54
SPEAKER_00: He actually set this entire thing up he's guilty.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: So they had one man in the jail who said yep that John Heath string him up too.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: And of course Heath's lawyer is completely outraged by this because he is claiming that this fellow his name is Sergeant Lawrence because he was in the military cavalryman.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: Yes they're saying that the attorney found him and put him up to this which honestly sounds pretty legit that that could have been what happened.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: Sergeant Lawrence he was in jail because he started a saloon brawl in Wilcox and ended up killing a guy.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: Wilcox Arizona yes Wilcox Arizona have you been there?
40:32
SPEAKER_00: No I haven't been I've lived here for 15 years.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: I need to go to more cute little towns outside of Phoenix.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah there's more outside of Phoenix it's crazy.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: And he's convinced though that they they put up a bargain to give Sergeant Lawrence a reduced sentence if he comes up with this false claim that Heath was openly talking about the robbery that he had not yet been convicted of in jail.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: Lo and behold even though they said no no this is a true story lo and behold Sergeant Lawrence has his trial in May for his own crime and what he definitely should have received as first degree murder he got away with manslaughter and only had to do two years in the Yuma prison.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: That's nothing quite a sentence reduction.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: So yeah so so that guy was the only reason why John Heath got any kind of uh sentence himself yeah so he was sentenced to life in prison because of that one guy tough yeah the jury was split though yeah they were very torn on it exactly so unfortunately I think it was let's see what was the date here did you say it was three days or was it three days for the other guys?
41:47
SPEAKER_01: Three days for the other guys.
41:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how when he Heath was convicted all I know is that his sentence was second degree murder.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: Yes um so he was sentenced to life in the Yuma jail which Yuma's not the same town it's like a little different part of Southern Arizona 310 to Yuma?
42:04
SPEAKER_00: Like 310 to Yuma the movie.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: So so he's now in jail but apparently the people that were back in Bisbee, because remember this is all taking place in Tombstone now.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: This jail did we mention that I don't think we didn't we didn't mention that.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah happened in Bisbee the big courthouse is in tombstone and I think it's just because they don't have the big courthouse with the jail and everything.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah they don't have a bank in Bisbee they probably don't have a jail either yeah so they moved them up north just a little bit to tombstone which again when I said you know our stories kind of split between Bisbee and Tombstone that's when I came across this story personally because I was in the courthouse.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: I was in the courthouse I stood in the room where all of this happened that's cool.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: Which is cool and I have videos and I'll share them.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: But yeah it was in Tombstone has um the big courthouse jail so they got moved for so when the news reached Bisbee that uh John Heath was only sentenced to life in prison while the other ones were going to be sentenced to execution people were outraged like the men of Coaches County uh I and I think it was somewhere between 50 and 150 men they all literally like marched or drove in horses and I don't know they got in their trucks horse and buggy whatever they they got in their trucks and they went up been a long journey because it's about it's about what an hour driving.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: Maybe hour like half hour either either way anyways it's not it's not a it's not like it's a mile away.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: It's not closed by car.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: Um so they went up to Tombstone uh it's also mostly minors who are not minors as in not adults minors as in the most they were angry and hungry.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: They were minors from the mines and they're all going up to the jailhouse and they're demanding to see John.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: When they get there, I guess the people at the jail were expecting like a food delivery so they kind of let them in that first I don't know why they thought there were this many people delivering food.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, must be time for our normal breakfast.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Food delivery.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: So they opened, like they first kind of like let the few first few guys in, and then they realized, wait, no, these guys are hostile.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: This is a mob.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: So every like everyone starts breaking down the doors.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: I think somewhere between seven and nine people got in right away.
44:20
SPEAKER_00: And they were all after John Heath.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: Some people were trying to get the other five bandits to bring them along.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: There was kind of some internal dispute amongst the company.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: And they said, no, no, we just need John Heath.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: The rest of them are going to be executed anyway.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, just get John.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: So they bring John out, and the first thing that they see is a telegraph poll, and they decide to string him up.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: They decide that they were going to be lynching John Heath because they were not okay with him having life and sentence.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: They wanted him dead.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: Really quick.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: Can I interrupt?
44:54
SPEAKER_01: I have the directions.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: Please tell us.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: Um Bisbee to Tombstone.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: You were right.
45:02
SPEAKER_01: It's only a 24-minute drive.
45:04
SPEAKER_01: However, it would have been an eight-hour walk.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: And if they took bicycles, would have been an among Google Maps.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: Would have been an hour and 58 minutes.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: So comparing a bicycle is probably like a wagon.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: So maybe horses, horse and buggy.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: So it took them about two hours to get there.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: That's far.
45:22
SPEAKER_00: So, but they they get there, they get John Heath, they string him up from a telegraph poll, which I like that it's telegraph and not telephone.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: That was they had they had the telegraph back then.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: And he had, he was actually pretty calm.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not sure why he was so ready to meet his maker and why he just kind of went along with it.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: I think because he didn't want to spend life in the Yuma prison.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: I suppose.
45:44
SPEAKER_01: But like, thank goodness this is what I wanted.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: He wanted to die like a man.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: So so he had some pretty interesting last words, though, because he did maintain his his uh innocence until the end.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: He did.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: Also, before I do get into his last words, though, um, lynching versus hanging, I think is kind of an important differentiation.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure we're all very intelligent people listening to this and probably know, but just in case, if you are confused, and I know this is really morbid on a show called Beheaded, but lynching is exactly what Elizabeth just described.
46:19
SPEAKER_01: It's more of a mob situation, which is very not lawful, right?
46:26
SPEAKER_01: It's not lawful.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: It's a murder.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: It's murder.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a mass group of people who are murdering someone collectively who all have all agreed this person should die.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: And in terms of what happens to your actual body, because it's not a professional hanging, it's probably worse than a professional hanging.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: Because we've mentioned this before with blackjack ketchup and some other hangings, but a lot of hangings, especially in the old west, it's like they they they do it in an almost mathematical fashion where they take your height and your weight, they determine the length of the rope.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: So they know exactly how much rope to give you and how much drop to give you to break your neck.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: So again, it's a judicial hanging.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not supposed to be for you to sit there and twist and turn and get tortured.
47:09
SPEAKER_00: It's like here, snap your neck, done.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there's botchings and stuff that happens, but with a lynching, because it's just an unprofessional mob, like they essentially just wrap a roost a noose around your neck, and then you know, someone puts it around a tree, or in this case, a um telegraph pole.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: They said in this one, this is kind of an urban legend, maybe, but they said a little boy got the other end of the rope and like shimmied up the pole and then like tied it up to the top.
47:35
SPEAKER_00: And then they kind of, you know, they all pulled the rope.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: And then instead of you just having your neck snap, you're sitting there strangle like strangling your everything in your neck is slowly tearing.
47:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's all brutal, but it's a very slow way to die.
47:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, very medieval like before they had the trapdoor, and that's like Tybird hangings and more way back European hangings were also very long and miserable, not just European, but you know, any anytime before the official gallows were created with the invention of the trapdoor.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: Um so going back to Heath, yeah, he while he was very calm and like accepting almost of his outcome, which is kind of creepy, uh, it would have been a very rough ending.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: And here are his final words.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: Accent initiated.
48:25
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: Boys, you are hanging an innocent man, and you will find it out before those other men are hung.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: I have one favor to ask, and that you will not mutilate my body by shooting into it after I'm hung.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: He maintains his innocence.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: Also, I like how both of these quotes are off with boys, boys, boys, well, boys, hem seems to be Trumps.
48:47
SPEAKER_01: Boys, you're hanging an innocent man.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh, yeah, he he really holds on to his innocence until the last moment.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, also, can we please discuss the fact that he uses the wrong grammatical version of hang versus hung?
49:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: We'll let it slip this one time.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's about to die.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he cares about his grammar, but yeah, it's not hang.
49:07
SPEAKER_00: It's not hung.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: It's not hung.
49:10
SPEAKER_01: Also, though, we watched a couple YouTube shows where even they were saying it wrong and it really, you know, grinds my gears.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: I know, it bothers me.
49:17
SPEAKER_01: For someone who hosts a podcast about executions, yeah, it really grinds my gears.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: The difference between hanged versus hung.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: You hung a picture, you hanged a man.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: When it's in the sense of snapping or strangulation of the neck, past tense is hanged.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to get that out there and off my chest.
49:37
SPEAKER_00: Hung means something very different for men.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you don't.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: And for pictures.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: Um for Google searches.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh some accounts say that he took his own silk scarf off his neck and blindfolded himself.
49:53
SPEAKER_01: I did, yeah, see that.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: Which is weird.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: Others say that someone else blindfolded him.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: Feel like it's the latter.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: But who knows?
50:01
SPEAKER_00: But either way, there's one famous picture of him where he is strung up by the telegraph pole with his like handkerchief around his eyes.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think everyone respected his wishes and didn't do anything with his body afterwards.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: He was just buried.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: I believe his body was at some point exhumed and taken back to Texas.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: So I think initially he was buried in a shallow to Virginia, Tennessee, maybe.
50:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
50:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like Jenny's back.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm just forgetting my own outcome here.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: Back to Texas is where he was.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: They there is like a tomb marker, like a little gravestone still in Tombstone, I believe, for him.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: And if you go to right outside the courthouse in Tombstone, you can still see it's cut down now, but you see like the stump of the telegraph pole.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: And there's a little plaque they put there in 2005.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this was a big story.
50:49
SPEAKER_01: It made it all the way through the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, uh, made it all the way to Hawaii about this lynching.
50:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh, Dr.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Goodfellow was a local man.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: He was a coroner, and he was a witness to the lynching.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: And he, you know, he wrote, which I have a picture.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: I saw it.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: I saw the actual card of the coroner's.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm so confused by this.
51:14
SPEAKER_01: On the situation.
51:16
SPEAKER_01: He said it he died probably by what was it?
51:23
SPEAKER_01: I want to get the exact quote here.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, were we par paraphrasing?
51:27
SPEAKER_01: Are we getting the real quote?
51:28
SPEAKER_01: I want to get the real quote.
51:29
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna paraphrase it, but I also don't, I want to do it some j some justice here because are you gonna say it in a southern twang?
51:36
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have to now.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of like kind of on a run for that one.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: Dr.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: Goodfellow, he's asked to write out the coroner's description for it.
51:45
SPEAKER_01: And he says, he rules, Heath died from emphysema of the lungs, which might have been and probably was caused by strangulation, self-inflicted or otherwise, as in accordance with medical evidence.
52:01
SPEAKER_00: Take that man's medical degree away.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: He watched it happened and has the audacity to put on this man's death that it was ruled by emphysema of the lungs, self-inflicted or otherwise.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: What the actual?
52:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, this is Arizona for you.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm so sorry.
52:20
SPEAKER_00: Welcome to one of the dumbest states in the union, everybody.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: Sorry about that.
52:24
SPEAKER_01: Some at some points I'm proud of our state's history, and other times I very much question it.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: I like living here, but I'm not that proud of our state's history, I'm gonna be honest.
52:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's it truly is the Wild West.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, so so that's the lynching.
52:40
SPEAKER_01: We still want to get into more though.
52:42
SPEAKER_00: There's still five men who, as we said, are due to be executed.
52:46
SPEAKER_01: Sitting in jail watching all this happen.
52:47
SPEAKER_00: No shit.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: And I hate to say it, but at the end of the day, our show is about executions.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: So even though the lynching is horrific and terrible, it's not really a legal execution.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: It would not make it on this show if it was just this.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't end here.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: The reason we have this entire episode is because of the Bisbee boys.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: And uh they again are all charged with you said first degree murder uh as a group, and they are all set to be hanged in March of the same year, 1884.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: So in March 1884, uh they literally start to send out tickets, like public tickets, like, hey, who wants to come see this execution?
53:30
SPEAKER_00: They built this brand new, like gallows grandstand type of thing that was custom made so all five could fit and everyone could see.
53:38
SPEAKER_00: It was so high up and elevated.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: You've actually seen it in real life.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: A replica.
53:43
SPEAKER_01: I was there in the flesh and I was shocked by how tall it was.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: I do have some like pictures and videos of, mind you, I am five foot one, but you definitely had to look up to see the the nooses being hung.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: It's at least hanged.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: It's at least, I think you could say nooses, huh?
54:05
SPEAKER_00: The nooses were hung to hang.
54:08
SPEAKER_00: Would you say it's taller than the ceiling, like 10 foot?
54:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: It was probably, I could probably look at it.
54:16
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of lookups happening in this episode as well.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: I was really into this story.
54:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but yeah, it is a replica at this point because the original one was burned down because of the fires.
54:29
SPEAKER_01: But there it's a it's kind of like in a back courtyard area.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: And supposedly there was about a thousand people who showed up.
54:36
SPEAKER_01: They all got invitations.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, no, that's not what happened, actually.
54:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, sorry.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: Am I just making things up?
54:41
SPEAKER_00: Well, they do have these like you can actually still see them, but there's like they were sent to, I don't know if it was close friends and family.
54:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what who these guys had coming to their execution, but they had these like formally printed invitations that were like, you're cordially invited to the execution.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: But then there was some like shisty businessman who said, you know what?
55:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna just build a bunch of stands around where the gallows are and I'm gonna sell tickets to the execution.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: So he's trying to be this savvy business guy.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: He sells each ticket for$1.50.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: There's a local woman named Nellie, Nellie Cashman, and she finds out about this and is so upset and so disgusted by his plan that she recruits a bunch of people to go and like hack away at the stands that he built for the execution.
55:26
SPEAKER_00: She was like, This is gross.
55:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, we're not in ancient Rome.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: She didn't say that, I'm paraphrasing.
55:30
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, we don't need this blood sport.
55:33
SPEAKER_00: So she tries to go and dismantle the stands, but at the end of the day, there was still about a thousand people that showed up to witness the hanging of the five men.
55:41
SPEAKER_01: Even that, this story just keeps taking so many different turns, I feel like, because every little thing, I'm like, this needs to be a movie, yet again.
55:49
SPEAKER_01: Why isn't there more on this?
55:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, I can't find the actual height of the gallows, but supposedly 10 to 15 feet.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty tall.
56:03
SPEAKER_00: They are tall.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so the men who showed up, the the five, the boys, they all show up.
56:10
SPEAKER_00: They're wearing matching black suits, and they have to get their heads shaved.
56:15
SPEAKER_00: Which I'm not sure if it was like public shaving, like we just had in our last episode, or if they just had to show up heads already shaved.
56:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, but they they all said different things.
56:24
SPEAKER_00: There's different accounts of what they said to the end.
56:26
SPEAKER_00: It's actually, it's one of those things where there's not a whole lot online.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: You have to go and there's like plaques everywhere that tell you what their final words were and things.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: But a lot of them maintained their innocence until the end, which I don't know how you can since everyone saw you kill people.
56:42
SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, they all kind of still pleaded their cases.
56:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, so they all were hanged at the same time.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: And they were strung up for about 30 minutes for people to see.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: Not super long if you compare it to, again, medieval times or Tudor times, but they still, yeah, heads weren't on pikes or anything.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but they uh yeah, they were hung up for a while, and then eventually they were they were buried in tombstone.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: And you can still go to this day and see their gravesites.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: They're all right next to each other.
57:12
SPEAKER_01: And they did they have their nicknames on the tombstone, so it'll say like Dan, quote, Big Dan.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Right.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's yeah, so it's Big Dan, Tex, Red, York, and Billy.
57:27
SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:29
SPEAKER_00: And uh it was um quite an era in the Wild, Wild West before we were even a state.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I am impressed by how formal the trial was, and they do have a process for everything.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: That lynching was not expected.
57:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I this is just like a classic Western bloody story.
57:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's crazy to know that Tombstone is the big one everyone knows about, but this one was technically bloodier.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, at the okay corral in comparison.
57:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, so we gotta go to Tombstone together.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna say, we need to visit soon.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: I asked Megan prior to recording, I said, Do you want to go before or after your surgery?
58:08
SPEAKER_01: She said, I don't know.
58:09
SPEAKER_01: I kind of want to look like I'm like a hanging victim when I go.
58:12
SPEAKER_00: She wants to go right after the surgery.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: Right after.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: We'll take some really good.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: And we kind of wore our westerny outfits.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I tried to be western today.
58:23
SPEAKER_01: I think we've pulled it off.
58:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:25
SPEAKER_01: What's embarrassing is this is the same shirt I wore in Tombstone.
58:29
SPEAKER_01: So if you do see this and then you see the videos of me, you're going, you're gonna be like, wow, this girl only wears one outfit.
58:35
SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
58:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many people are tracking your outfits, but now they know.
58:39
SPEAKER_01: Now you you know it's all about the details.
58:41
SPEAKER_01: You gotta look for them.
58:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh this is my camping shirt.
58:44
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
58:45
SPEAKER_01: It's very, it's a nice plaid like flannel.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: It's very westerny.
58:48
SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth.
58:51
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth.
58:52
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth.
58:53
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth Blake.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: You got any final words, little lady?
58:57
SPEAKER_00: Boys, not tonight.