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The Singapore Theory: Music & the Paranormal · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Are we ready, guys? Sure. Yeah. All right, good.
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That's music to my ears. We're talking about
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music in the paranormal. I did not make that
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connection. No? How did you not make that connection?
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I kind of forgot. My brain is like all over the
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place today. How could you forget because this
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was your topic? I'm gonna be honest. I don't
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even want to do this right now. Alright guys,
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welcome back to this episode of What's the Topic?
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Topic? Topic? What's the Topic? What's the Topic?
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Welcome to our podcast where we take deep dives
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looking at various topics through a paranormal
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lens. So Angela, you wanted to talk about...
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music in the paranormal i'm intrigued as to what
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like made you come up with this topic yeah what
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was the inciting incident because me and brie
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have dabbled in this before what made you say
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it like on a random it was like a couple days
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ago you're like let's we need to talk about this
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i was in class and we were talking about music
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don't remember why but we were and it was basically
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talking about how music like brings everyone
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together and it's kind of like a language that
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doesn't need to be understood but it still connects
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everyone i was like it's probably the same way
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for ghosts you know whatever and i just feel
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like when we're listening to music we're connecting
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on a deeper level you know like spiritually wise
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and I just feel like music could be like a good
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what's the word connector to the spirit realm
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whatever yeah yeah I I totally agree like what
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you were saying was um you don't have to understand
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music to enjoy it like and I think that holds
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true in any anywhere like No matter what kind
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of entity, spirit, person, anyone who you're
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communicating with, they understand what music
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is. It doesn't matter if they know what language
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it's in, if they understand the words. Music
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is music. You can enjoy it no matter what. It's
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a worldwide language. Yeah. It's interesting
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too because not even... i assumed we would be
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talking about this like you know using music
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to better communicate with the spirits but what
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you're getting at angela is making me think of
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bigger topic stuff you know before any any of
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the you know micro level how do we communicate
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with the spirit it's like could when you said
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like it makes us feel things music you know the
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sound the vibrations the frequency that's all
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music is is frequency and vibration a lot of
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people say that's what spirits are so yeah music
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can make you feel emotion who's like it makes
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perfect perfect sense when you compare it like
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that that a spiritual presence you can feel sadness
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you can feel these different emotions yeah yeah
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and i also was thinking about all the old theaters
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you know where concerts like all the cars are
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always so haunted you're so haunted And could
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that be why all the people congregating, having
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a shared experience in concert with each other
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and the performer and all this emotion, you know,
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bouncing off the walls, could that be the perfect
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environment to then the spiritual energy just,
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it all just kind of feeds off each other? Yeah,
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absolutely. Like, I totally agree. I mean, I've
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never thought of it that way either, but, like,
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that's a really great point. I mean, we talk
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about how emotions and stuff can create, like,
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create energy in a location that you can feel
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across a long period of time. And who's to say
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that music can't do the same thing? Because what
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does music do? It invokes emotion. Exactly. That's
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an interesting takeaway from it. You know what's
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really interesting, too? I don't know why I made
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me think of this. Back in the day, they used
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to use vinyl records, obviously, because you
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didn't have, like, you know. computers and internet
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they would have they would they would record
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evps to a vinyl record do you know about this
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angela and they would you would be able to get
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vinyl records that had spirit voices on them
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really and playing yeah yeah i'll have to do
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some more digging um wait wait what is this again
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Back in the day before, like, you know, when
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you would have a recorder and you would record
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a EVP, you couldn't save it to, you couldn't
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upload it to YouTube. So they still have, you
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can still buy the old original when they press
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it to vinyl, like vinyl records. And you can
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see on the grooves where the EVPs were. They
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were getting other voices that weren't there
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in the original recording? Yeah, the original
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EVPs, the original Spirit voices. That's very
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interesting. i could be totally wrong it seems
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like this entire episode is just things that
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angela sparked in my brain from way back forever
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ago um yeah i saw this earlier and i didn't do
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any research into this so who knows if this is
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actually true or not but it's a frequency around
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the 396 hertz type of thing And it's believed
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to promote healing, reduce stress, and mental
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clarity. And I was just, like, that's another
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thing I saw earlier, too. And I was, like, music
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has so much power to it. I'm, like, think about
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it. If you can, like, use therapy, like, use
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music to heal yourself. Yeah, like, there is
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music therapy and stuff like that, too. And you
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know what's funny, too, is Eloise Asylum was
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one of the pioneers for music therapy, I believe.
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Oh, that's really cool. Interesting. Which is
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another haunted location we've been to right
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in our backyard. Yeah. I mean, it probably has
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other reasons besides music as to why it's haunted,
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but... Yeah. Yeah. But no, that's a good point
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that even music therapy, like, if music can heal,
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why can't it transcend? I mean, if music is healing,
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isn't that transcending spiritually already just
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within your... spiritual soul yeah exactly i
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was like well could this be healing to towards
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the spirit still like does it have to be healing
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towards the um living alive being can it still
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be healing to a um the spirits or whatever and
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then there was like wait wait wait we talked
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a couple episodes ago about how The joy of games
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and playing games could be healing towards the
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spirits. So this is making me think that same
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type of thing. Yeah. Next investigation, we should
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play a musical chairs, which might just be the
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ultimate healing. Dude, that would be so fun.
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Musical chairs with three people. And a ghost.
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And you know what we could do? Okay. we like
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three chairs three more chairs and then we have
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a cat ball in each chair so we're playing musical
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chairs and we go to a chair and then the spirits
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also have to go to chairs so they need to set
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off the cat ball so that's the only way we'll
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know if they're actually sitting down or not
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that'd be so fun might need to work it out a
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little bit because there's some i'm thinking
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what if you accidentally knock a chair or something
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and make the cat buckle off there's a lot of
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variables yeah musical chairs is pretty competitive
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and i am one of those people who if um i'm playing
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musical chairs and i have someone i'm going against
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and there's one chair left i will steal the chair
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yeah this is making me think about how angela
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uh told a prostitute ghost to sit in my lap one
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time and it is true but we the temperature and
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emf both were like fluctuating on my lap right
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after so maybe we can do something like like
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that just kind of see if there's something a
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presence on a chair oh yeah not a prostitute
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again though no well what happened if it's haunted
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by prostitutes wherever this next place we go
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and do this at then we'll do it in the next place
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after that okay fine whatever oh But yeah, I
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thought it was... We were overall just like,
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um, but, yeah, go ahead, huh? I was thinking,
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like, going into this episode, like, when you
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said, let's talk about music in the paranormal.
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I'm like, okay, like, using music as a trigger,
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like, trigger? Because that's what we've done
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in the past for some investigations. Like, we've
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played music or have sang or... what have you
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to like see if we can stir up activity um and
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using it as a trigger i know there's like like
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we use the example of the howell opera house
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i know there's one investigation i did with msu
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paranormal society where we investigated a house
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and the person who used to live there was used
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to be a violinist so we played violin music um
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Trying to think of some other places where we've
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done. How can you forget about the Foot Rockwell
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Cemetery with the Beethoven? Are you seriously
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blanking? This is one of my favorite investigations
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we've ever done. Are you sure I was there? I'm
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positive because it was one of the like this
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was Brie feeling a vibe before you even like
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admitted vibes were real. So it was like memorable
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for that reason. Are you sure I was there? I'm
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sure. There's a YouTube video to prove it. It
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was part of the OG Afterlife Road Haunted Michigan
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web series. There's a video. I don't believe
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you. You're going to have to send it to me. I
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will. I will right after this. But we were investigating
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this cemetery. We had it scheduled that night.
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It was one of the rare investigations back in
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the day that we actually had something planned
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out in advance. And the... music the royalty
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-free music library i used at the time like dropped
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that morning just coincidentally a bunch of old
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classical like beethoven music so i'm like you
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know okay what if i just download a beethoven
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track and we can play it it's just coincidental
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with the timing and everything i remember which
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you remember talking about i remember okay yep
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i do remember and i do remember a whole bunch
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of stuff happened i totally forgot about that
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Yeah, I noticed a trend. Sometimes the most intense
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feeling -wise investigations, you might black
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out. No, no. I was going to say. We have been
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on so many investigations. Can you really blame
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me for forgetting some occasionally? That's fair.
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That's fair. I can't remember specifics to a
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lot. I can't remember half the early ones anyways.
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The ones that stand out to me don't stand out
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to you. You know how many interviews back in
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the day? people would like interview me about
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the web series or whatever which had like over
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200 episodes and they're like in episode 10 this
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happened how did that make you feel and i was
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like i don't remember half the time i was like
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did that happen that seems pretty cool if it
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did okay but anyways with the cemetery what happened
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we show up to the cemetery and i'm like i got
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this plan i'm gonna play this beethoven and then
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as i'm setting it up we start taking out spirit
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box and spirit box before i even play anything
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says clear's day beethoven like that exactly
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beethoven and uh we're like wait wait wait did
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it say beethoven and as soon as brianna like
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asked did it say beethoven and she starts like
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laughing a little bit under her laugh because
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you know she knew we had it it said again beethoven
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after that i started playing i was like i gotta
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play it and then i said a third and final time
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beethoven and then the vibe changed dramatically
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it did it did change so much it was so intense
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there but it like didn't last like it was there
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and then it was gone like but i feel like that's
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how it happens a lot of the time i don't know
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yeah i feel like it was like it seemed to like
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as a music rose like the vibe rose it's like
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they were like this is new when they came to
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check on the music and then as the music kind
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of like started to fade out like the vibe did
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too it was really kind of strange yeah it was
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it was definitely an interesting investigation
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um Now that you remember it. Yeah, now that I
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remember it. I just had to, like, think about
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it for a hot minute. You gotta, like, prepare
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me for these things so I can think about it before
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the podcast and be like, oh, yeah. Okay, I can
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talk about this. Well, nothing is prepared. Nothing
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is prepared. Angela was like, let's talk about
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music. And she dropped that, like, existential,
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just, like, mind -blowing, just, like, opening
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little spiel she did. And we all were just like.
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That was deeper than we expected. Uh -huh. No,
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but is it sad that - Was it really? Yeah, no,
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it was. Is it sad that when you say Beethoven,
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the first thing I think of is this random cemetery
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in East Lansing, Michigan? I don't know. I think
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of Taylor Swift because, like, wasn't he, like,
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did Taylor Swift at the time? Like, you know
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what I mean? Like, wasn't he, like, popular?
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Like, this is the go -to guy that everyone likes,
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you know? I... What's that game where, like,
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you hold up a word and you have to say, like,
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the first thing that comes to mind when you hear
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it? I think you're the only one on Earth. It's,
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like, Beethoven. Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift!
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Something for our, uh... november fans only page
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is beethoven equals taylor swift yes question
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mark i gotta go down this rabbit hole now and
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see if that exists i mean look think about it
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like in like a few hundred years from now taylor
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swift music is probably going to be like playing
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in like a museum being like so this is the type
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of shit people like to listen to back in those
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days this was the go -to this is the stuff people
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went to see in concert and paid hundreds of dollars
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to see like and this is like that's they're gonna
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like put it into um like hey like i don't know
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high school orchestras are gonna be playing it
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in like high school orchestras already are playing
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it what are you talking about well it's like
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a classical piece Not like a fun pop song thing.
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You know how they always play some sort of classical
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piece or whatever? Instead of Big Tobin, it's
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going to be Taylor Swift in 200 years from now.
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Or Chapel Brown. I don't think so. I do have
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a question, though. Do you know Luigi? Cherubini?
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No. Who's this individual? I don't know. He's
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a contemporary to Beethoven. If I even pronounce
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his name right. What do we say? Just say it fast
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and no one will know the difference. I think
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in the circumstances it's actually harder. Why?
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What about him? What are you looking at? What
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was this guy doing? No, I'm just looking at contemporaries
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to Beethoven. Oh, okay. I think you're right.
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I don't think... What about... I'm not even going
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to try to pronounce that. What? No, I'm not going
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to try. Okay, okay. Franz Liszt's... Liszt's...
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Okay. You know, Beethoven... I feel like if we
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listen to these contemporary composers of the
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time... we as musical illiterates probably won't
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be able to tell much difference but we can pronounce
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beethoven's name and that's probably why to us
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he's memorable the go -to composer of the era
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because i can't pronounce any of the other no
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i'm pretty sure it's because his stuff was new
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and different at the time and people loved it
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Yeah, yeah. It's amazing why he's so well known.
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I mean, there's a lot of artists are remembered
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years later. Like, they don't meet critical reception.
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You know. I mean, think about it. The most popular
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at the time is rarely the one that's remembered.
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hundreds of years that is very true okay so maybe
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like taylor swift is actually just going to be
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like a piece of dust into history never to be
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remembered after she died and it's actually no
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that's not what i'm saying oh my god imagine
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imagine in the future when people are ghost hunting
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and they're like oh my gosh what music can we
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pull out to like draw these ghosts and they play
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taylor swift and it's all uh like the ghost is
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a swifty girl uh in her swifty girl era and what
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what cheese era would that be the swiss era i
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don't know what is funnier picturing a um a twailer
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a toilet A Taylor Swift fan as a ghost or a frat
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Chad as a ghost. Both hold the same energy and
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are equally funny. I feel like this exact scenario
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is the reason AI exists. So get ready for the
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promotions for this episode. Okay. Oh, Lord.
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I'm going to generate. images of Taylor Swift
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and Frat, uh, Frat. Chad the Frat. Me, Frat.
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He's the Frat Chad. What's happened to this episode,
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actually? Man, I don't even know. It went from
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deep to, like, okay we started out with the deep
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stuff and now we're getting into the bits instead
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usually we do the bits first and then we get
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into the deep stuff oh okay this reminds me i
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got another thing i want to talk about when it
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comes to music okay okay back on track okay because
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you're talking about bits so you're gonna see
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a pattern that comes up with what i talked about
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anyway um I don't know what kind of music this
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is, but it's common music or like frequencies
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or whatever that you hear in a lot of horror
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movie music, if you know what I'm talking about.
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And some people believe that, or not even some
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people, like this goes back a long time, that
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this type of music summons, is able to summon
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spirits and conjure entities and stuff like that.
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So could you actually... use certain music to
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conjure a spirit you know i mean i wouldn't believe
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it's out of the realm of possibility i mean like
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we say you can consider many things a ritual
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and it all depends on i guess the frame of mind
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and the intention and how you're using music
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I don't know what kind of music this is, or what
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it was called specifically, but I remember reading
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this in multiple different places, and I'm like,
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this is so intriguing. This is so intriguing.
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I'll have to look more into it. I'm trying to
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find examples, and I'm not coming up with much
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luck, but I am just trying quickly here on the
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spot. My first... guess would be like if it's
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like slow and kind of meditative already could
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it kind of put you in in a more meditative stage
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just kind of getting in a groove trance of the
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or does it have some sort of infrasound in it
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that's causing you to be more on edge and wary
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and i don't know yeah like i said i think it's
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still has more to do with intention but yeah
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i think intention is always a big part to everything
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but yeah intention and also going back to what
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you were saying brie um and also going back to
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our whistle episode talking about whistling it's
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like a universal language so if you have music
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that might sound familiar to a spirit um they
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might come towards and be like hey kind of like
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what we're talking about at the cemetery they
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were calling for beethoven yeah we played familiar
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music to them beethoven the taylor swift of the
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time it's like if you go if you go out to a park
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in the middle of east lansing michigan across
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the street from the cemetery but like a park
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a playground uh -huh taylor swift music all the
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swifties will come and be like hey there's something
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going on that's exactly what we're doing but
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the beethoven for the At the Dead Park. The Dead
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Park. So it's a universal language. You know
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how many tickets Taylor Swift sells out in countries
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that no one speaks English? Yeah, exactly. But
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they all understand. It's the same thing. It's
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the same thing. Now, you know what else is interesting,
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taking it back to a bit? The theory that music
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can... trigger paranormal activity is ironically
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called for some reason because they i can't find
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the origins i don't think anyone knows the origins
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all these articles i found they say we have no
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idea why it's called this it's called the singapore
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theory and our biggest event our biggest fan
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is from singapore singapore singapore so it's
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fitting that singapore fan finally gets his due
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Singapore theory about damn time. He's probably
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sitting there all angry. I'm from Singapore.
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They know I'm from Singapore. Why don't they
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talk about my theory, man? No one knows why it's
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called that. Huh. Interesting. I guess on an
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episode of Ghost Hunters back in like 2010, they
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were like, we're going to use the Singapore theory.
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And they just kind of caught on. Maybe it has
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something to do with singing. Singing up. I don't
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know. Should we do the say it fast method? What
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happens when we say it fast? Singapore. It still
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sounds the same. Singapore. It sounds the same.
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Yeah, it sounds like I said Singapore. Yeah.
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Sing and pour? But what would you be pouring?
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I don't know. Orange juice. What? How does orange
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juice help paranormal investigating? When you're
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singing. I feel like that's the last drink you
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want to sing. It's the first thing that came
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to my mind. You said, what are they pouring?
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And my answer is they're pouring orange juice.
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Not ghost energy drinks. My thought was like
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pouring their hearts out, you know, singing.
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You all took the assignment, literally. You all
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took it literally, man. I don't know why you're
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talking so literally. I'm so sorry. Are you bringing
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out your inner Grinch? I don't know. Oh, when
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he 100 % is. But you sound nothing like the Grinch.
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I know. But I'm a mean one. No, you're not. No,
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I'm not. Anything else you have to say about
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music? I think we've covered a lot, surprisingly.
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What do you mean, surprisingly? I didn't expect
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to talk that much. I thought we were going to
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talk about the Singapore theory, and now is it?
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Like, I didn't anticipate a deep dive right off
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the bat in, like, the things and the theories
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and the things. you know theories and things
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yeah i've lost my words it's it's okay we barely
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talked about the singapore theory though yeah
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we barely barely touched on it we should utilize
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it more it's just so difficult you know because
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we're filming a lot of these things so uh you
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can't just pull up a taylor swift song and play
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it because copyrights i was actually watching
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something or i say something i was watching ghost
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adventures before this who are we kidding and
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they used something similar like i don't know
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if you could call it singapore theory but they
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were in an old theater and there was someone
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who had like passed away during a show and they
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played a clip from the show that was playing
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when that person died to see if they would get
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a response and they did i mean they got a lot
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of things that happened in that theater i don't
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know if that's something that you'd consider
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singapore theory because it's not music but it
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was like a movie yeah wow that's interesting
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that's really interesting i feel like movies
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kind of have kind of have the same vibe to like
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I mean, people can sit down and watch a movie
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in a different film, but still enjoy it and kind
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of get a same vibe about what's happening. You
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know, I mean, who doesn't do that? Yeah, exactly.
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So how my head is going in a million different
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places. Are you OK? I'm OK. I'm just thinking
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now I'm thinking about what if we if we. Take
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some of the old photos and videos. We've investigated
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places like Simpson Hospital back like a decade
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now at this point. And when we first investigated,
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they were completely abandoned. Now the owners
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have done a tremendous job renovating it, bringing
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it back to its former glory. And it looks nothing
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like it did when we first went there in the best
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way possible. That makes me think because remember
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how you were talking about. a while ago when
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you film in a certain location it has its own
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sound yeah yeah if you play the sound of what
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stimson originally sounded like from those old
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videos in the stimson that it is now what kind
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of reaction would you get i was taking this step
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further and what if we project what the room
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used to look like onto the same wall of it now
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with the sound Interesting. And you have overlays.
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I like this. More theories. Future tests and
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theories. That's... And now that we're recording
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in all these places making immersive... audio
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and visual loops with the 8K 360 camera and 5
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.1 surround sound. It's going to be even easier
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to test this in the future. But Stimson, I just
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know we have so much original stuff because that
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was one of the ones I rented cameras and we had
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the stationary cameras in the basement and stuff.
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Even though it wasn't completely silent at the
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time, the basement morgue area of this old hospital.
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There was still a tenant that lived on the adjacent
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wall. Not in the morgue, but they shared a wall
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with it. About an hour in to the three or four
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hours we were investigating. I don't think they
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knew we were there. And especially recording.
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And it must have been a bedroom that was adjacent.
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And there was a man and woman in there. Having
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a lot of fun. And it was the creepiest thing.
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You should have like knocked on the wall and
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scared them or something. I didn't know. I didn't.
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I was playing back because I just had a camera
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down there. And imagine my surprise when it was
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like for an hour, just like baseline, like no
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sounds. And then I just see these spikes in the
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audio. And I'm just like, is this what I think
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it is? And I go back like a few minutes. And
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I'm just listening. In public. I think this was,
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like, in a coffee shop or someone just listening.
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Oh, God. I'm like, yes, that's not a bird making
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bird calls that somehow got trapped in the morgue.
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Let me lower my volume a little bit. Oh. I'll
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post it to the Only November fans. That seems
30:54
fitting. I feel like that's not something you
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should have put to me. Why? Is this a two...
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Is Michigan a two -party consent state? I...
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Don't know. I don't know. Anyways. Anything else?
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We kind of veered away from music there. Again.
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You brought up an adjacent topic. The movies.
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I was just bringing up sex magic. Which is an
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adjacent topic. If you want to talk about sex
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magic. no we're not going there guys that's the
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end of the episode why do you want me to talk
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about that I'm just oh goodness gracious me so
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