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Patriots Unfiltered 8/1: Thursday Practice Observations, Drake Maye Progress, New Contract for Davon Godchaux · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 2: atche Let's Stadium. The Patriots are back on the field practicing.
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  Speaker 2: No pads today, but they were out. From what I saw,
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  Speaker 2: it was a pretty good tempoed practice. Very hot. I
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  Speaker 2: would say. Temperatures are in the nineties.
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  Speaker 4: Down there, definitely the hottest stage camp.
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  Speaker 2: Sun's out, no shade, so good day for conditioning. They
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  Speaker 2: did do a lot of running even before practice. But uh,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, you know, a decent practice from what
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  Speaker 2: I saw, but obviously we're going to get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Judan was back on the field, so I assume
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  Speaker 2: somebody sat down and had to talk with somebody, and.
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  Speaker 4: Girod Mayo had to talk with Matthew Judon. He told
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  Speaker 4: us before.
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  Speaker 2: Practice and it made clear what the expectations were if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be out there, and he was out
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  Speaker 2: there participating fully fully, So all's well right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see tomorrow when Pat's come on.
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  Speaker 2: Patriota, right, that's a great.
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  Speaker 4: Pointcause everything was good the first four days Pats came on.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't so good. I would be surprised to see
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  Speaker 4: anything resembling what we saw Monday. Again, I'd be very surprised.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't
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  Speaker 2: see him participating.
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  Speaker 4: That to me is something like Monday, not as disrespectful. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm expecting him to participate on on Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. Devon had his deal announced yesterday, so that's one down,
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  Speaker 2: one to go.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, jud It's good to see him back out there.
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  Speaker 5: But I am interested to see. But it's just it
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  Speaker 5: felt to me like maybe things are moving in the
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  Speaker 5: right direction and you know, like they know it's going
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  Speaker 5: to get done hopefully. I mean that's I think next
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  Speaker 5: next practice, if he's out there, maybe that's a good sign.
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  Speaker 5: But be nice to just resolve this. I think the
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  Speaker 5: longer it hangs over the team, the more of a
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  Speaker 5: distraction it is. And you know, he was kind of
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  Speaker 5: back out there today, but not his usual self, not
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  Speaker 5: out there throwing balls to all the fans or any
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  Speaker 5: of that stuff. He just kind of was there doing
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  Speaker 5: his job, you know, being in the drills. So we'll see,
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  Speaker 5: we'll see where it's going.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say one change from the first four days.
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  Speaker 4: I thought all the positional drills, all the pre practice stuff,
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  Speaker 4: he was sort of last, you know, and usually guys
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  Speaker 4: of that stature lead off those drills, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: today he was leading off the drills. And then when
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  Speaker 4: they went to you know, full team, he was out
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  Speaker 4: there seven on seven, he was out there, so he
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  Speaker 4: was taking all the reps and doing all the things today.
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  Speaker 4: I think that is a good sign that like, maybe
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't have to be happy about it, but he
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  Speaker 4: understands that this is what you have to do and
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  Speaker 4: we'll try to figure out, we'll try to get a resolution.
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  Speaker 4: But what you did on Monday was unacceptable. And Gerard
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  Speaker 4: talked about you know, someone asked him like sort of pointedly,
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  Speaker 4: did the fact that that Godshaw you know, had sort
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  Speaker 4: of been here and put the pads on and took
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  Speaker 4: part in the elevens does that help his cause? And
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  Speaker 4: Mail admitted, yeah, it does. And so I wonder if
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  Speaker 4: that was part of the message to judeon Okay, what else?
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  Speaker 5: So big red zone day? I mean, I think that's
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  Speaker 5: the headline of it. It was just a lot of
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  Speaker 5: red zone work, and that's something usually we were used
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  Speaker 5: to starting there when Belichick was running practices, and so
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  Speaker 5: today we finally got there. There was still some middle
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  Speaker 5: of the field stuff, but you know, things predictably got
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  Speaker 5: a little bit tougher. You know, I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you guys can wait. And I just I thought it
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  Speaker 5: was all kind of similar. I mean, they're certainly the
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  Speaker 5: offense is you know, they're making some plays. It's you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's not a disaster for them. And you know, Drake
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  Speaker 5: May made a couple of plays and I thought he
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  Speaker 5: you know, one particular play looked like he audibled to
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  Speaker 5: something and you know, was able to get the ball
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  Speaker 5: out quick. And you know he had a couple of
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  Speaker 5: nice plays too. Joe Milton, you know, again doesn't get
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  Speaker 5: a lot of chances. But yeah, I didn't make in
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  Speaker 5: the mind and see as.
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  Speaker 4: Much from Milton today on platform on time. I thought
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  Speaker 4: there was sometimes that his athleticism is just so immense.
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  Speaker 4: He moves around and buy his time. May, on the
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  Speaker 4: other hand, I thought there were a couple of those
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  Speaker 4: Patriots plays today, you know that we joked around that
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  Speaker 4: looks like a play hard play action turned back foot
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  Speaker 4: balls out fifteen yard out to Mitchell Mitchell Wilcox, Right,
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  Speaker 4: that's all good. I had to remember that.
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  Speaker 2: One, you know, one of your guys. So I like
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  Speaker 2: that Phil Perry may had more good throws in this
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  Speaker 2: practice than he had in the last three practices. So
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  Speaker 2: that might not be saying much.
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  Speaker 4: No, and I don't like I guess I try not
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  Speaker 4: to get bogged down in the numbers and the stats.
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  Speaker 4: I don't chart every play, you know, I write them
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  Speaker 4: all down just to sort of remember, you know, what
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  Speaker 4: happened and who the ball was intended for, who was
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  Speaker 4: in coverage, and stuff like that. But I did think
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  Speaker 4: that there were more moments today that I thought that
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  Speaker 4: looked normal, that looked good, that you know, they weren't
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  Speaker 4: always successful. As a matter of fact, he threw a
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  Speaker 4: nice crosser to Jalen Polk and he'd like to see,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a nice clean catch, was sort of a
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  Speaker 4: double clutch. Then the next play he's got Douglass sort
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  Speaker 4: of coming over the middle open and he sailed it
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  Speaker 4: over his head. So still, I don't want to say
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  Speaker 4: everything was perfect and like, oh all that worrying about Drake. No,
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  Speaker 4: but I thought there were more more There was more
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  Speaker 4: normalcy to the game today. It was I thought for
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  Speaker 4: him than we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have Colin Coward who looked into the camera,
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  Speaker 2: who looked into the camera and said, don't be surprised
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  Speaker 2: if Joe Milton wins this job. He actually said.
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  Speaker 4: That, So I don't really even think that deserves conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I mean he got like what four reps? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. It's just like at a certain point, like.
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  Speaker 4: You just two of them. We ran around for twenty.
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  Speaker 5: Minutes and may and okay, here you go, Joe, here's
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  Speaker 5: four for you, and you know, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Then did you notice there weren't a lot of plays
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  Speaker 4: period today? I mean most of the practice was that
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want to call the extended, like first day
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  Speaker 4: of high school football practice, Like we can't hit, We're
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  Speaker 4: just going to go out there and do our calisthenics.
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  Speaker 4: And it was like over an hour.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, warm up, Yeah, it was I mean I said
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  Speaker 5: to having two Even when they got into the red one,
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  Speaker 5: it was like three reps for.
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  Speaker 4: Here, three plays here, four plays here, four plays there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and then you're right then like Zappi would come in,
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  Speaker 4: then there will be three plays, three plays. Then Milton
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  Speaker 4: would go in.
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  Speaker 5: But I think Milton Zappi each got like one one
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  Speaker 5: team period and that was it, like the mop up
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  Speaker 5: the third reps.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, Well, if you look at the
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  Speaker 2: cadence of the practices, you know, they were off yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: they come back in shells today. Probably what we were
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  Speaker 2: gonna see tomorrow and Saturday. Obviously it's gonna be in pads,
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  Speaker 2: but they're gonna start ramping it up even more than
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  Speaker 2: the pads practice that we had before. Maybe we'll see
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  Speaker 2: goal line with some actual hitting.
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  Speaker 4: It'd be great.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I just think Fred, the next two
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  Speaker 5: days is probably gonna be in pads. And this is
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  Speaker 5: this is kind of it for training camp. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: this is, you know, we have two practices Monday Tuesday
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  Speaker 5: next week. I'm sure you know they'll probably be you know,
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  Speaker 5: something in there, but you know, there's also going to
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  Speaker 5: be large portion of those two practices that are guys
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  Speaker 5: on cards, guys getting ready to run plays, you know,
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  Speaker 5: some of the backups getting ready, you know, especially the
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  Speaker 5: Tuesday practice. So I just think the next two days
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  Speaker 5: are you really vital to this team? I think they
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  Speaker 5: they really would ideally like to, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Just take that you're so calling the next two days
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  Speaker 4: make or break. Yeah, but it's it's it's fun.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is you know, these two this week
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  Speaker 5: and then you joint practice and that that's it. I
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  Speaker 5: mean we're kind of done with training camp after these
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  Speaker 5: next two days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like the Joe Milton conversation is exactly
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  Speaker 3: what we talked about in May, which is that he
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  Speaker 3: he looks like Captain America in a football field. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the guys six five two thirty two thirty five and
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  Speaker 3: has a Canon arm. So there's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people and this is what we said. There's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a lot of people that are gonna come out
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  Speaker 3: to these practices and they're gonna look at it and
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna say, one's a really big dude that's mobile
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  Speaker 3: with a cannon arm, and the other is a really
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  Speaker 3: big dude that's mobile with the Canon arm. And it's
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  Speaker 3: just gonna be, uh, you know, which one you feel
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  Speaker 3: like completed more passes that day is going to all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden be the better quarterback. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: how I feel what has happened so far with Drake
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  Speaker 3: May and Joe Milton. But I agree with what you know,
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  Speaker 3: you guys were saying about Drake May I thought today
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  Speaker 3: was a step forward.
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  Speaker 4: For him, a better day day.
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  Speaker 3: Mentally, it seemed like pre snap, you know, knowing where
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  Speaker 3: his eyes were supposed to go, answers things like that.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little bit more fluid, and he got
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  Speaker 3: the ball out a little bit faster and that allowed
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  Speaker 3: him to shine a little bit more. But overall, I
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  Speaker 3: just feel like the whole conversation between those two guys is, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to a layman, you come out here at
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  Speaker 3: practice and you watch them both throw a football. Joe
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  Speaker 3: Milton's arm is incredible. It's it's incredible. There's no other
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  Speaker 3: way to put it.
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  Speaker 5: That one throw. I think it was his last rap
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  Speaker 5: where it was like same thing. He scrambled and then
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  Speaker 5: he just absolutely unleashed. Like even Zoe was.
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  Speaker 2: Like whoa like?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was whoa buddy like.
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  Speaker 5: It was full display of what Milton can do. And
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  Speaker 5: in short range the pork the receiver had no chance.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the deep bat.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like to say I told you so or anything,
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  Speaker 4: so I you know what Colin Coward saying that he
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  Speaker 4: should don't be surprised if he's the starter. No one
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  Speaker 4: could have foreseen that happening.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we all knew that that was going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: did we all? The question was was it a did
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  Speaker 2: we all? Or no?
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  Speaker 4: The question was fingerwebs?
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  Speaker 2: The question was was it a dumb move by the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots to draft him because it hurts Drake May.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we know the question.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we know the answer to that yet,
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  Speaker 3: because if we don't know Drake May, you know if
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  Speaker 3: this affects him mentally or not. And I did take
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  Speaker 3: you know, notice a little bit today, no backflips and him.
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  Speaker 4: Fake a couple of yeah is pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he was doing those backflips when they were
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  Speaker 3: doing the into the throws into the net, and every
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  Speaker 3: time he'd hit one, he'd backflip and the crowd would
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  Speaker 3: go crazy. And and today it was a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more subdued, like he wasn't necessarily backflips.
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  Speaker 2: No Jude on playing catch, Maybe d say, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 2: we got work to do, you know, let's focus on that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, he gave them a little leash, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's pulling that leash back a little bit. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, to be clear, my my fear on the thing
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  Speaker 4: was the unnecessary noise that would.
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  Speaker 2: Create and that would hurt and.
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  Speaker 4: We have well, we have noise, that's all. No Look,
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  Speaker 4: that's my fear was that it would create unnecessary.
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  Speaker 2: Noise, it will help hurt Drake May.
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  Speaker 4: But I might. I said it might.
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  Speaker 2: I never did say well, I never disagreed there would
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  Speaker 2: be noise.
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  Speaker 4: I just said it was inviting unnecessary distraction. But you
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  Speaker 4: got it.
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  Speaker 2: We've had that over the years with with these backup
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks and the guy like Joe Milton. Of course it's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: I know we have had it over the years. That's
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  Speaker 4: why I thought it might happen again.
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  Speaker 2: The thing, but the question is will it be to
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  Speaker 2: the detriment of Drake May.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's not my question. My question is creating unnecessary
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  Speaker 4: distractions for who the team.
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  Speaker 5: The thing I underestimate is that literally one person has
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  Speaker 5: the power to start that all. I mean, there's one
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  Speaker 5: person righting about Joe Milton right now, right. I haven't
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  Speaker 5: seen anybody else.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, evidently Colin Coward.
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  Speaker 5: Coward say that he did say from someone who was
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  Speaker 5: a practice because Colin Coward hasn't been in practice god,
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  Speaker 5: so he did say it doesn't take much's but anyone
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  Speaker 5: to light walk away.
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  Speaker 4: I think the bottom line is I do. I agree
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  Speaker 4: with the panel, and I thought it was a better
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  Speaker 4: day for me today.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I would say a couple of things that stood out
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  Speaker 5: to me were just, you know, continuing to charge some
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  Speaker 5: of the personnel uses. It's just Juju's not getting chances,
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  Speaker 5: like he's not really out there much like I think
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  Speaker 5: I had him for three reps in eleven eleven. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 5: you've got eighty eighty three. It's Booty and Rager. They're
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  Speaker 5: out there a bunch one and two and six are
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  Speaker 5: getting their share of reps. And Thornton too. Who you know.
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  Speaker 5: I'll let Paul kind of talk about him a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, it's just Youju doesn't seem in the.
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  Speaker 4: Comment was an off air conversation. I told you that
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  Speaker 4: was an.
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  Speaker 5: Off just you thought he's been doing okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now you've got raising expectations. I said, you're not allowed
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  Speaker 4: to throw this back in my face, but I think
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  Speaker 4: he's receiver.
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  Speaker 5: Oh I I thought I interpreted that as if he's
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  Speaker 5: not good this year, you're not allowed to come.
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  Speaker 2: Back and be like you thought he was good.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's I think if he's done well, you
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  Speaker 4: say it, No, I think he has done well. I
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  Speaker 4: think that they have. We talked about this on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: They have a lot of different receivers to flash at
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  Speaker 4: different times. I think none of them has really flashed consistently.
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  Speaker 4: I think closest to that has been Thornton. And he
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  Speaker 4: had a couple more really good reps in the red
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  Speaker 4: zone today against Christian Gonzales, and it wasn't in the
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  Speaker 4: full team work. So I always sort of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: take those with a you know, a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a jaundice. I I don't necessarily think it's the same,
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  Speaker 4: but I think he consistently gets open and he did.
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  Speaker 4: He made a really good inside move for a quick
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  Speaker 4: out in the in the red zone, full team work,
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  Speaker 4: and unfortunately the ball went to the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Does it help a
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  Speaker 2: guy like Taekwon Thornton, who's in his third year now
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  Speaker 2: to have new coaches who really you know, mayos obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but they they didn't experience the last two years for me,
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  Speaker 2: and so this is kind of like a fresh start
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  Speaker 2: for him with these coaches, I can't hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think schematically too, it helps because this offense
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  Speaker 3: was is really an offense that's gonna give him a
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  Speaker 3: lot of chances to win foot races coming across the field.
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  Speaker 3: On those you know, play action plays, they always have
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  Speaker 3: some sort of post or deep over or clear out
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  Speaker 3: route that if you get vertical on it and the
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  Speaker 3: safety jumps the underneath route. Now you're one on one
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  Speaker 3: with a ton of space, a ton of green grass.
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  Speaker 3: You're four to eight in a lot of space. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you might be able to wiggle free every once in
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  Speaker 3: a while and not to consistently crap on the last quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: But you have quarterbacks now too that can throw the
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: ball down the field. And now some of those deep
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: throws that maybe he wasn't getting targeted on but he
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: had a step or half a step of separation, Now
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: that you have guys that can actually get the ball
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: and want to push the ball down the field, not
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: just can, but want to, and that's a part of
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: their game. So he's been good. But I can't sell
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: myself on it, like because I have to see it happen.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Because you've seen the last two years.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: I already chastised myself. Yeah, I'm not gonna.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Be able to say, no, fair enough, But that's kind
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: of my point. It's just so rare his history.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: It's so rare that position in particular, that all of
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: a sudden, the light bulb goes on in the third year, especially.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: In like now, like that it happened before. Like I
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: always throw Eric Molds out there, Eric Molds is an
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: example of that. It was like two years of kind
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: of nothing and all of a sudden he turned out
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: to be a really good player for Buffalo. But I
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: think in this era that's got to be even more rare.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Well, I think it's kind of a unique first two
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: years too, considering the coaching staff. He was playing under Es,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: certainly his rookie year, and he got heard.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: So I will I will just say, like, I feel
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: like he had two pretty good training camps before this,
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: so it doesn't really mean anything until you see it
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: for real. I think he had a promising start and
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: then he got the collarbone injury in the preseason game.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: And then I thought he was playing pretty well. You
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: guys told me in Green Bay he was making some
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: plays and that's when.
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: He got hurt.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: He literally got hurt catching catching a deep ball. Yeah,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: so it's not like we have seen flashes in camp
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: go Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does seem a little stronger. I feel like
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: the contact doesn't bother him quite as much. Like at
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: the catch point when guys are crowding him, it doesn't
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: seem to knock him off Israel quite as often. But
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the physicality in camp versus
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: a physicality in a game. It's a different thing. And
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: he caught a slant in front of Alex Austin today
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: and Austin tapped him down. But in a real game setting,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: you got to get him to the ground, and that's
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: a whole different animal. And if he doesn't get him
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: to the ground, then that's one broken tackle and he's
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: gone to the house. So you see some.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Of those early, right, Yeah he was, I think he was.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was you know, some of that physicality
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and is running and we could always glide, you know,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: he always was a fast glider. But now I do
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: see a little bit more strength to his game. But again,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: it has to happen in a game in the regular season.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Any of you doctors in the house want to give
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: us an injury update with players.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Well, we saw you know, Marty Map who continues to
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: just kind of come out halfway through practice and watch
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: and he looks pretty sad about it. Josh Bledsoe has
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: been in a red jersey and he actually left his
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: sea sorry Sean Wade. And then otherwise Andrews was back today.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: I think we mentioned that one.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're missing four players out there, obviously bar More
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Pepper's ma poo and it was one Johem Bell. Yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: we're not didn't practice.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: And Wheatley was a new absence the left hack Wheatly today. Yes,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: we're wondering if I mean, he's been kind of struggling
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: to I don't know. I saw a couple of his
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: one on ones and it looked like he was just
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: he wasn't able to come.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: He can't, Like I watched him do a lap the
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: other day and like it's obviously much more difficult for
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: those offensive linemen. It was a struggle for him. Yeah,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: and yeah, we didn't see him today and left for
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Caen Wallace today.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: And can we get an up update on the strike system?
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I just quickly on Andrews. He did say it
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: is press conference after practice that it was personal reasons
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: that he missed the last couple of practices.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: So nothing physical or did I I don't know if
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: you heard him, like you went into some detail like
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: his kids sick. Yeah, his young young baby was sick,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: and he wanted well only because he wanted to like
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: show the shout out the nurses, the er nurses, the
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: ICU nurses at Hasbro where where he is, they've been
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: wonderful to him and he wanted to give them some credit.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: So he still it seemed like he didn't really participate
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: that much though it still seemed like we had.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: He started in the elevens and then he came out
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: and Leverett went in.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought still seemed like Maffy was consistently snapping
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: to Maya the second second.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw a little bit of that would Jude
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: onto where he would he would take one rep in
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: eleven on elevens then immediately off the field.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Are we still looking at Wallace on the left and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Co four.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Well today it was Vederian Lowe on the left, So
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: we'll see.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: You really hurt my feelings. Sometimes you just don't listen.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Mike just said Veerian low like.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: While let's just kick down to the second group. I
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: still tackleed, I believe.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah, is that what you want now, it did
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: seem like maybe Vederian Low I mean, excuse me, Kayden
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Wallace being at left tackle for Drake may might have
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: helped a little bit, like not to have a line
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: of all backups that are guys that project his backup.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: See, I didn't really even think of that, And that's
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: the kind of thing that coaches when they bristle at
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: you just saying, well, you know, it could be a
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: very logical reason like that, they know the context they wanted,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: they wanted to do it like that and make it
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: maybe a little bit less, you know, obvious that were
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: just kind of given him a different line. I think
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: he struggled in elevens on Tuesday, Kayden Wallace, So I
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: think that is probably more more why. But I think
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: they're going to continue to mix and match. It's kind
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: of what Gerard told me back in the summer, in
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: the early early part of the summer. I think they're
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: gonna keep on looking for guys, but Kyden Wallace is
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: probably a guy that's gonna be part of the mix.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, just one more thing on Drake. I don't
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: know if you talked about the throw that you and
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I were begging him to throw it. He got outside
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: the pocket, he was rolling to his right and Juju
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: looked like he might have had a step on the corner,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and I thought that that Drake May was gonna throw
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: one of those off platform bombs, and he pulled it
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: down and just ran with it instead, and I was like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: you know, in my head, I'm just like throw, like
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: why didn't you? You know, he throws that in college, like not,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: doesn't even think of it and just throws it. And
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I made note of it that maybe I don't know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: maybe they're they're trying to get him to to not
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: do that kind of stuff.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I really love the cross his body, no look past
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the kJ Osborne.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah that was a pretty one.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I I didn't like that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get used to those because he's gonna
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: do that. And then they also ran a couple of
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: read option plays too with him in the run game,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: where I was excited because maybe not in the open field,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: but when you get down to the goal line, he
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: can do that and he can score on his own untouched,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: so you're not worried about him getting hit getting hit
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: at that point. And so it seems like they're they're
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: starting to put some of those things into Okay.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Well, sounds like a productive practice leading into tomorrow's pads.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was hot.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: I think it was a little non padded practice. It
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: wasn't bad. I would say the ones I lose interest
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: in ten minutes in.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: But I was saying it too that the difference between
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: practice this year is it felt like you kind of
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: you'd have a good competitive period that you took a
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: lot from and then it would be kickoff for a
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: little bit, and you know, and like you'd always have
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: those interstitial special teams perers that broke it up, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: now it's like sevens, elevens, eleven's in the middle, eleven's
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: low reds. I mean there was a lot of special
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: teams today though, Yeah, but I don't know there was more.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: But I don't know. I just feel like it's not
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: as it's not as it's more grouped together.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I noticed they were voting at times one field
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to special teams, and they would still do whatever they
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: had to do in the other field. It wasn't like,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you know, the whole practice stopped and Okay, now we're
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: doing special teams.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: A couple of things on their kickoff and they worked
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: on it. Again, nothing really out of the ordinary. They
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: were traditionally kicking the ball. I think the League, I
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: think put it in, like we've we've seen them sort
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: of experiment with ball placement on the tee, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: side what you can't do that. Evidently the League has
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: put something in. It needs to be a certain height
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: if you're gonna you know, depending on how you situate
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the ball. So some of that stuff is so you
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: think people.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Were thinking, oh, put a different way, lower trajectory or
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Something you know, hit the ball there faster. So the
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: league is sort of stepped in on that. And then
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Florio talked about it yesterday like just I don't think
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: people remember when it first came out, all of the
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: different restrictions on on side kicks. Yeah, you basically can't
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: onside kick anymore, right, You can onside kick ever if
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you're leading, you can't on side kick ever in the
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: first three quarters of the game, and you have to
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: tell people that you're onside kicking.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's no more surprise on side kick.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: That doesn't seem right, no.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's dynamic, a waste of time.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's what they're calling it. They're actually calling it the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: dynamic kickoff.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Rule or whatever, which is so silly. So tonight I
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: heard you with a voice of reason yesterday. It's the
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: word in the street. It's the word in the street,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But tonight is the Hall of Fame game. So, who's
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: playing Chicago and Houston? Chicago and Houston.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Williams the threes for Chicago and Houston. According to So,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I taught him like a series.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I talked to somebody upstairs who I won't name. I said,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you know you're gonna watch it? Oh, yeah, I always watch.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I'm like's really into this?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Ask your question of all the years that you've watched,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: if you hadn't seen any of those games, what would
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you have missed?
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: You couldn't answer, like, I haven't watched that game since
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: two thousand.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know why we're in it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: That's two thousand, right, Tom Brady's first ever game.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: It's got to be a couple of years though, Patriots
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: are going to be there, right, Brady's got to.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Be close, Right, it's twenty twenty four. It's been twenty
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: four years.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I would think once when it's Brady's er.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when when he's going in usually they have a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: team in that. So who was it again? I'm sorry
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: tonight it's Technicgo and Chicago. Either of those teams have
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: a player Andre Johnson.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I believe Andre Johnson's in this class, right.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Or is that last? Hester? Is it Hester?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: No?
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Hester?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I think I'll look it up, but I do try
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: to do that, Yeah, you know, kind of sync it
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: up with the class.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: I got something else. How about Bill Belichick go and
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: work for Underdog Fantasy.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. You know, I did a little research
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: on Underdog Fantasy and who is behind it. You know
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: it started with investors, but Kevin Durant, Jared Goff and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Adam Schefter himself who broke the news. Our investors in
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: that company.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Deucey r Correct, Devin Hester, Andre Johnson.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that makes sense, Yeah, that those two teams
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: would be in it, and it'll make.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Sense Julius Peppers, who played had a couple of years
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: with Chicago.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but going back to that, it looks intriguing. It's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of X and o's with Bill.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I think people like Evan will be glued to it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I do wonder though, you know, it's gonna be on YouTube,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: by the way, that's how you watch it. I do
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: wonder if it's going to have that mass audience that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think it. You know, you might have people
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: tuning in at first, but to me, that stuff gets
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: boring after a while. I think most fans just want
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to watch the games and keep it entertainment rather than homework.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I think the problem that I guess is not a
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: problem necessarily, but the good clips are going to make
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: it onto Twitter or X or whatever you want to
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: call it. So like, is there any reason to sit
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: down and watch thirty minutes of this when the five
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: minutes of things that are actually interesting that he says
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: are going to be clipped out and put on X
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and then that doesn't generate clicks for their site, you know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So that's the I probably wouldn't actually sit down and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: watch all thirty minutes of.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It, but it's interesting, he said. You know, I really
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: wanted to work with Underdog because it's a company that's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: run by sports people. And I heard one of your
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: one of your people in this morning say that's a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: shot at the Patriots. You know, it's being run by
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: sports people.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: It's not No, it's not. It's a shot at non
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: sports people because no one knows it. It's like the
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: geniuses at the league. Yeah, it's one of those. It's
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: not a shot.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And also I think it's a shot at maybe some
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of the job offers that he's had from companies that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: weren't you know, he wants the suit set these networks.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: He doesn't want to do like these cute, little crippy
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: you know, twelve second bites in between everybody else talking.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: He wants to break down film and talk ball. Right,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: that's what he wants.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Right does he though that's what I can't do.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: That's what he wants. Doesn't want to come out he's
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: doing a NFL film. Oh I'm not trying. I mean,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: he would have been the coach they offered him the job.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: No is this Like I just feel like this is
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: him holding his nose and being like, no, this.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Is what it is. But this is what he's interested in.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Is this is what I'm trying to do.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: We're exactly the same.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I'm just having trouble imagining him being excited about this. Like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: I just think in his heart of hearts, he wants
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: to coach a team and he wants to do that,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: and he doesn't that he would rather be a coach
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: playing with Fantasy sports.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: But in other words, instead of being like one of
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: the seven guys on ESPN's pregame show on Sunday or
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: pick the Net, Fox or CBS, he'd rather be breaking
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: down film of a game for NFL film.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be getting into little debates with
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Terry Bradshaw.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: You no, and now but now it's like it's a
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: fantasy sports company too though, so like I gotta imagine
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: he has no respect for fantasy general. I mean, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: understand why the company did it. It's a great get
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: for them. They probably phoneyed up as much as they
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: could possibly grab to make this their thing. But just
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: watching him do it, and you know, it's like, welcome
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: to our side, buddy, Like you know, it's like you
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: did nothing but like tool on what we do and
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: then you know, all come around.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I just wonder one doesn't make him more likable. It
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: can he put out a persona that improves his likability,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: which I think was an issue for this past coaching
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: cycle was just his personality and people know him from
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: his press conferences and not necessarily the stuff that he
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: would give the players and the team behind closed doors.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: And does you know he did do some stuff for
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the draft right with ESPN and he came off pretty
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: well in those things, so likability. And then the other
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: thing is is like these film breakdowns coaching chops, like
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: does he show off in the And he probably will
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think he needs that. But it's a good
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: point because I heard people this morning say, oh, this
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: is he's never coaching again. He's got three media gigs
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: right now, he's never touched again.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I think it's closer five.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: It might be. You know, I I don't think that
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that says he's never coaching again. He's staying relevant, hurt
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: the guy that got the Lakers job. No, I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you want to be in the you want to be
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: still out there.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's one hundred percent. I think it's exact
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: opposite of wanting to do this. You got to keep
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: your name in the news. You got to you got
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to keep yourself in the limelight so that next coaching
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: cycle you're not a forgotten So.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I know this shouldn't be the reason why you hire
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: a head coach, but part of the reason is what's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the fan reaction going to be, And if like he's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: having a great year on media and now he's my
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: next head coach, fans are excited that exactly.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's smart. I guess I would have thought that
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: he would kind of do a Rabel did maybe and
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: just disappear behind the scenes on a team and you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: get a chance to just be out of the spotlight,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: not worry about having to deal with press conferences, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: you know, still be in the mix. And I mean,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I don't want to make it sound like I'm complaining
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: about this, like I will enjoy watching it. It's just
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: it's just striking when and we've been in the position
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: that we've been in and all of a sudden, now
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: he's on our side of the street, and it's like, oh,
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: I'm working.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: With sports inside the NFL. Right, mcava He's got the
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: McAfee thing, the Manning cast, this thing, right, and I'm
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: told that there's another one coming for NFL films. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: think he's going to have sort of like an like
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: an NFL matchup kind of thing. That's what it's just
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: all film.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can I can get with that, guys.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Can I just you guys can do that on your
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: own time.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Will I do think this last last coaching cycle, selling
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: him to the younger generation, this generation of players, the
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: likability factor and all that kind of stuff was an
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: issue for a lot of these teams. That's why a
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: lot of these teams hired much younger coaches than Bill
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Belichick this time around. If he's this different person on
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: TV that maybe these teams haven't seen in the public eye,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: it might help him.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: But do you think the sixteen to thirty five year old,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know, mostly males, are going to want to watch
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff? Would they rather play mad and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: watch the games and watch highlights?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking but I'm talking about the owners like
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the people doing the actual higher for
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: these teas. Oh yeah, because now you can sell it
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: as well. You all loved him on McAfee, and you
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: all loved him with Peyton mass especially if he.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Says something about my team that my own coaches didn't
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: say right, which very well could happen.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Well, we all know he can turn it on like
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: he I mean, he can easily be charming and funny
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: and you know, just completely different than you know what
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: you traditionally think he is, so you know, buyer beware
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: because that's he's going to put on the good face
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: for that. But I think when he coaches the team,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: it's it's going to be a lot of what he
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: established here, going back to that stuff. Not Hey, I'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: a happy, go lucky film guy. Now everybody, well everybody
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: loves me. You know he's got a clown nose on
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and doing jokes and stuff.
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: You know it's not him.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Well he did put that helmet on.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I think the whole clown nos thing is why he's
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: not doing stuff like Fox and ESPN because he doesn't
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: want to be.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah no, in the NFL films. To me, that makes
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: all the sense in the world. As you guys have
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: said it all the time, that he jumped through a
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: hoop of that place anytime. I mean, that's that's I
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: think the only outlet that he truly you know, respects
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: and enjoys. Yeah, that's the underdog fantasy now too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: All right. Eight five five Pass five hundred is the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Ace ticket hotline eight five five Pats five hundred. Web
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: radio at Patriots dot com is the email address. Anything
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: else you want to talk about NFL news, I mean, uh,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: trying to a big contract down in Tampa Bay.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, well I missed that.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Tristan Wars five years. Yeah, he's a fantastic player. Was
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: five years, what like one over one hundred million, I
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: don't know, number, like one, yeah, like eighty eight guaranteed.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: So he's a guy that a lot of Patriots fans
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: had sort of pointed to dam as a pending free agent.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Seventh thing, they don't get some free agency anymore.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Those those types of tackles don't. And they they got
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the fifth year on him. Penny Sewell signed for four
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: to try to hit free agency the year earlier in
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the next his next cycle, so the Bucks getting in
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: for that fifth year was considered a win.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: We should probably mention some video coming out of Jets camp,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: which one with Aaron Rodgers man one of his receivers
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: getting into it and there were I just love it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: I saw that video too. But me and Paul's Uh,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Me and Paul talked a little bit about the Jets though,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: because they had a god day of practice the other day,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: had a bad day a couple of days ago. I mean,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I don't want to derail it with your point, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: like I've been watching a lot of the reports from camp,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: and it's just a lot of the same stuff. It's like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: you know, one hand, you see, here's Caleb Willone's making
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: a great throw up, Here's Caleb Williams making a terrible threat,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: you know, across the board, all the rookies, JJ McCarthy,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: same kind of thing, you know. And then the Jets,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: it was I saw they had a terrible day, they
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: couldn't get anything going. Then they had a good day.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: But then you to Fred's point, they're talking Him and
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Garrett Wilson just look like kind of at each other
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: a little bit. But I don't know, competitive guys. I think, hey,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: I'm hoping that it doesn't work.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Like we want to make fun of it because you
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: know it's the Yets, but I just like to rogers,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: like to be fair. It's probably a whole lot of nothing.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean, I I gotta imagine he's, uh,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: he's gonna be looking Garrett Wilson's way a lot this year.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: That's that's a that's a dangerous match. They're gonna that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: gonna be give me about each other's gonna ice them,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, and we all want that to happen. We
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: all want this year. It's like, no, he stays healthy,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: but he just hates Garret Wilson to throw on the ball.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like the more that I we cover training camp,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: more I cover training camp, the more I realize that
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: training camp really is not indicative for the top of
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the roster. Like I don't know if you can necessarily
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: tell a team is going to be great or not
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: based off of these practices, because the Duce's point, you
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: read these other practices and it's it's it is, it's
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: a it's a roller coaster for every single thing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Even in the heyday of the dynasty here, I think
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: we had a very mediocre preseason record when it came
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: to the games.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Oh the games are completely and utterly meaningless. But like
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: the preseason, like the training camp practices, I think you
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: can sort of see like and this is this was
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the day. Yeah, this is the extreme. It's the extreme.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: But like we all talked about seven, like this looks different.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: We didn't know what it was gonna you.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Know, most of us undefeated.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Most of us admit, we don't know exactly how different,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: but we said this is going to be a much
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: more explosive offense, like they had a really good offense
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: and O four oh five, oh six. But when you
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: watched Oh. Seven's training camp, everybody said the same thing,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: like even without moss really because they said, we didn't
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: get to see a ton of moss. But this just
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: looked different.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Welker.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: You know how fast the ball was kind of on
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: the spread, and it was just different like when you
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: could see Brady and they did have good training camps,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: like the ball like almost never hit the ground, were
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: used to so efficient. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Mean that might be the pinnacle. I just think for
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of these teams that are down to earth,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: like not the dynasty Patriots a little different. I always
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I keep going back to to the Green Bay joint
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: practices and just that team looked okay, but I you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: it didn't look like a team that was going to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs and win a playoff game and go
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: on any sort of run or any differently than the Patriots.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, then you read reports that Brock Purty
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: threw like three interceptions in practice two days ago and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: then yesterday he lit it up, you know, and that's
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: a super Bowl favorite in forty nine ers that are
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: going through the same ups.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: And down, and you know what I think is the difference.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: And I know that I always rail against this. I
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: don't ever remember anybody ever keeping stats. That's a that's
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: a new thing back then. Yeah, I don't. I don't
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: remember that. The just the litany of numbers that come
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: out of training camp practices. And I'm not telling you
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: that no one ever did it, because I know every
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: time I say no one did it, people said, well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: I remember interceptions. No one ever kept track of that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Someone might have said, oh, Rodney Harrison picked off Tom
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Brady today and you know a fight ensued, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: because they were so competitive. But I don't remember people
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: charting every single snap, every single play the way that
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: we do now. When when I say we, I mean them.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: It's just really hard to do because there's so much
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: context needed for every single play that doesn't exist in
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: practice like there was. I think it was actually Taekwon
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: he caught a passing the back of the end zone
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: in one of the red zone periods. But Persett must have.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Held the ball for five or it was a handful
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: of plays like that today that would not have been
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: completed again, right.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: And so in the game you figure sack throwaway something
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: like that. Now, is there a chance that he pulls
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a Hootini act and extends the play? That happens short
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: but in reality, but that if you're just tracking stats.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: There's so much to every play. I mean, we talked
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: about it earlier. Maybe it's not a big deal, but
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the fact that oh, Drake may had a better day. Oh,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Caden Wallace was his left tackle on some of those.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Oh maybe that made a difference.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I might don't know. And I think Evans throwing that
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: out there, I think is purely plausible. They might have
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: just wanted to give him a little more time to throw.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: That's what it looks like with the left NFL.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: That's why when they have one well, i mean just
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: calling it. Kid seven days into his career, competent.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Two patted practices, I'm ready to stamp care.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: And that's why I've really enjoyed just the last couple
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: of days just turning the personnel and you know, the rotation,
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: just because it gives you a sense of who they
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: want to see the most of. And if a guy
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: like Juju was just isn't getting out there, it's hard
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: to say he's really in the mix for one of
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: those top five six spots.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Well, he tripped over a rock on Tuesday and he
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: heard it that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: You had a job today too, didn't he? And then
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: did Dougar get a pick on that one? We were
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: I couldn't really see it, Graad.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I do not believe there were any picks now.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I felt like it was out of bounds.
• 38:43
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• 38:43
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• 39:33
  Speaker 2: This is Timothy from flag Staff. He says, I just
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to chime in and ask why Ben Volan said
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Joe Milton is out playing Drake May. I listened to
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: PU instead of anything else because of the straightforward results
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you give, and I think other people saying these things
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: are just insane. That would be insane.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I will say that Joe Milton has had his moments
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: in this training camp, especially lately. It's not totally it's
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: okay to say that Joe Milton has had some good
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: throws in this camp like that. It's not insane. I
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: just don't think it's accurate. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: that's probably the best way to put it. And I I,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: you know, talking to people that watch college football religiously
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and cover college football. They keep reminding me that this
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: is what happens to every single team that sinks their
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: teeth into Joe Milton, Michigan, Tennessee. Now the Patriots. In practice,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: the guy looks like he's got all the tools and
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: all the ability in the world, and then you get
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: into the games and he just has never It's never
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: all come together for him. It's never all clicked. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of these teams, Michigan mostly Michigan, were duped
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: by the physical ability.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, who knows, but like you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I read you were with me Evan and Duce today.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I read out some stats of a quarterback last year
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: in college and I said, are these good quarterback stats?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: And he said yes, And that was Joe Milton and Tennessee. Yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. Now, the year before it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Was the record.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: No, there's his quarterback stats.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: But what was the record?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I don't we didn't get into that poll.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: But that's that's a big part of my stats.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But he had twenty interception five, I mean twenty touchdowns,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: five interceptions. He had close to like six sixty percentage.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: You had almost three thousand yards passing.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: In almost three thousand yards, just like twenty eight hundred yard.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: It sounds pretty pedestrian. Twenty touchdowns and twenty eight hundred yards. Yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: and like nowadays, they throw the ball every play.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of offense they run.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I do, yeah, But anyway, they weren't bad stats.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: They want to spread.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they run area, but they he he has all
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the ability. That's no one's ever questioned his ability. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: in a training camp, practice setting, he's going to make
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: some throws that are going to make you go wow.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: That's really that's his physical yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Gift he is, I mean, and that is as advertised. Man,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: he's impressive.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: The way he throws the ball is different than everybody else.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: It's like Bethel Johnson, whoa, he's fast, but fast just
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: an okay player.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. His Everybody makes a big deal with Milton about
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the orange, you know, him throwing the orange hundred yards
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: and how far he can throw the ball. His drive
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: throws are way more impressive to me than the deep ball.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: We haven't seen the deep ball a time, but just
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: his ability to throw like an incut on a rope
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: in between a couple of zone defenders, like twelve thirteen
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: yards down the field. It shrinks the field like his
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: His incut is not the same incut as Bailey's Appi's incut,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: and it's it's incredible to watch it. It's probably the
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: livest arm I've ever seen.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I said a couple of times, and people with Gaga
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: over that sixty five yard pass, and I think that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: every quarterback in football could do that what he did,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: but not everybody could get it there as fast as
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: he got it there, right, Like, that's with a separation comes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: It's a stronger arm maybe than is in the league
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: right now. I don't know if there is any any guys,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: you know, especially like Stafford's one of those guys that
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: has a ridiculous arm. But at his age, he probably
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't throw it like that anymore. Maybe Mahomes still can.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but it just looks different coming off
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: his hands.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, Rogers has a strong arm too. Well.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Rogers's arm is ridiculous.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's amazing, let's see. Colleen writes in I feel
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: like a big reason Joe Milton might be performing slightly
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: better so far is he's bound to be more loose.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Drake has the expectations of being the savior of a
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: storied franchise on his shoulders, and Milton's outside expectations are
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: to be a backup. It reminds me of when the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Celtics would play not to lose against bad teams, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the bad teams would end up winning because they had
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: nothing to lose. By going all out.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's something to the perception of how
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: like I think when May, I mean, when Milton makes
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: one of those throws that Evan's talking about, like he
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: fits one between two defenders, and everybody's like, wow, did
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: you see that throw? But then they, you know, they
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: kind of don't really talk about the three that didn't
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: look like NFL plays because he's a six round pick
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and he's a rookie, and you know, he has these
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: physical skills and no one really talks about, whereas May
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: doesn't get that luxury. Every play is immensely analyzed and dissected.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I would also say, I don't think they're asking Milton
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: to do what they're asking for sett In May to do.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always tiptoe around exactly what you just said,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: but I I zone reads. Yeah, I would bring it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I think there is some truth to that, and certainly
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: not as much under center work for Joe Milton, whereas
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Drake May is really running their base offense on early
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: downs and being more pro style in nature like Joe
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Milton the other day, you know, before the off day
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, through an absolute rocket to Juju Smith Schuster
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: on an RPO and I really haven't seen the Patriots
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: run those types of plays as much when Drake has
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: been in there. It's not that Drake can't do it,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: but that's just that is what Joe Milton is. And
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I do wonder like he's gonna play a ton in
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the preseason Milton is. I'm sure we'll see of Drake
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: May too, but these are the types of plays that
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: are gonna make Joe Milton look good in preseason games
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: because it's the type of offense he's used to running.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So I wonder if maybe that's why they're asking him
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: to do these things, because on Thursday night next week,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: you know when he's in there that that's what they're
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: gonna be, the type of offense they're gonna be running.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like Millie Cunningham to an extent, where
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Millie Cunningham had all these different types of plays that
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: they weren't putting in with Mac Jones and Bailey's Abbey.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: It's just so hard with the volume. I mean, that
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: to me is what stands out most. It's like, I mean,
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: how many more snaps is Milton as May taken in
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: team periods? It's like four times the amount of snaps
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: that Milton has, So you're talking about a sample size
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: and again he's he's had some good throws, but it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: like you're talking about us like ten reps.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: You know one of those guys that said, you know, drafting,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: you know, multiple quarterbacks is good business. You sort of
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: you develop and you can never have too much. I
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: would think that you are very encouraged by the early returns,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Like he looks like physically worth. It was worth the
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: six round pick and all that stuff, and you know
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: there might be something there. I just would caution to
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: if we're going to take it from that too, don't
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: be surprised if he ends up winning a starting job. Yeah,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Like I think there's an enormous gap between those two mindsets.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're definitely developing him, asking him to switch positions
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and all. Like some of the stuff that they people
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: talked about pre draft I think is off the table.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Like he should develop as a quarterback. No doubt he's
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: a he's an NFL backup quarterback, I think, just based
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: off of what we've seen. But to Paul's point, is
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: he a starter, Like that's probably pushing it right now,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: But does he belong on an NFL roster at this
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: time of year as a quarterback.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just can't. I have no idea what he is.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Like I need to see him in a game situation
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: where he can execute plays and get the play and you.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Know, like I have no idea if he plays him
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: in college, so like heacy, Yeah, and decision making.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: It's more the decision making, Okay, that's the stuff in
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: games like this, like out here, it's it's a little
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: bit hidden with especially in seven on seven. It's so
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: like there was like there was one play that so
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: this This guy sent me a bunch of stuff. He's
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: obviously a huge Tennessee fan, and he heard our original
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: argument about this, and he was like, I, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: you was so right, blah blah blah. He showed me
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: a clip. It was three seconds left in the game,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: from like the twenty three yard line and they were
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: down four and he sort of got flushed out of
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: the pocket. He's trying to buy time. He's running to
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: the sideline and he's you know, running like this that,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: and he's then he started running down the sideline like
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: half speed, like not like clearly like and then he
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: got to like the fifteen or the twelve and he
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: just ducked out of bounce like the clock ran out,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: like you know, like I can understand like a brain cramp,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: like you shouldn't try to run, but like if you
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: do try to run, I'm going full speed trying to
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: get in the end zone, you know. Like it was
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: like he thought of the situational awareness and I and
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: game And this guy said, now again, this is where
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: we don't all watch every play, every drive of Tennessee Volunteers.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Football their offense.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: This guy was telling me that was sort of indicative
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: of the way he played, like no feel for the game.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Decisions were would would you know, lacking all the time. Now,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: maybe this guy just didn't like Joe Milton, you know
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: who knows.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: But that those are the to your point, like those
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: are the people that watch Tennessee like we I always
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: used to argue with the North Carolina football fans about
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Drake May like those people watch it for them to
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: win the football game, whereas like when scouts watch these guys,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: they're they're looking for the traits, like, yes, it would
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: be great they draft a quarterback that has the trades
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: and won in college, But the most important thing is
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: the traits, so like, from a scouting perspective, Joe Milton
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense to take him, you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: as a draft pick. But to the Tennessee fans, it's like,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: you know, we had this game, and we had that game.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: We had this game where we had chances to win
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: and he just couldn't get us over the top, or
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: he made a mistake like that or whatever. And that's
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: what you hear from the people that actually that watch it,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Like we watched the.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Patriots consistency, Like he would come out and have a
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: great drive and then maybe the next drive he'd look
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: like he's never really been the starting quarterback before, you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: and it just kind of went in and out of games, cause,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: I let's face it, the secs on all the time,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you know, it was like that that three thirty CBS
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: game all the time, see with SEC games, and you'd
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: see him and you'd be like, this guy is unbelievable.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: And then you'd look up and it'd be like they'd
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: have ten points in the fourth quarter and you're like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: what happened? Like it looks so good at the beginning.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: Kind of connected to this, do you think we've seen less? Uh,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: situational like down in distance kind of like I don't
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: really remember a lot of like string try to string
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: and drive together st to you know, two minute stuff
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: like it's all been very like we're middle of the
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: field and play play play.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: It's some down in distance, but not the way that
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Bill used to do.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: It, where it was yeah, like there was just throwing
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: situations at you or trying to string drives together.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: And that's because the sticks have been out there and
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: they've had like whatever on the clock. They really haven't
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: done too many And that's where I.
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: Think you need to see Milton to really believe that
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: he's going to make any kind of a push, Like
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, you need to see him
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: get more than just one set of mop up wraps
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: every practice, like until he starts to actually look like
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: he's involved in even the conversation. Because every practice we've
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: seen so far as wins, it's so clear that they
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: are looking at Jacoby Brissett and Drake may As getting
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: the top reps and and really drilling those guys and
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: all right, your turns out be like there's just no
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: indication at all from the I know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: A word that would describe my surprise if Joe Milton
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: was the weak one starter. Oh, I don't know if
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: there's a word that would describe that. I mean, based
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: on what I've seen.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Through times running out.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wonder how much the impact that these
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: West Coast coaches, like West Coast Offense, like, not that
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: they're from California, like West Coast offense coaches have on
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: the script of practice, because those guys just like to
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: run plays like they don't really they're just looking to
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: run the perfect play and it's play and then it's
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: re huddle, what did you do wrong?
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: What did you do right?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Play like? And they're they're not necessarily looking at it
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: like Bill used to structure practice like it was a game.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care for this style. I don't think
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: they've got enough plays.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: In Yeah, these coaches are are big on how it's
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: drawn up on the whiteboard. We want to get as
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: close to that as we possibly can in practice, and
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: we're just going to keep drilling it almost like it
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter where on the field they are, you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: like it really the field position aspect of it does
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't really even matter.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Example of today, very you know, late in the practice
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: when they were finally wrapping up the team, so they
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: had they had Brissett go out run one play and
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: then they huddled. You know, they rushed to the line
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: and they clearly were designed they wanted to see if
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: they could get the defense. You know, maybe it was
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: a third and short and they're deciding whether or not,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to go for it a fourth down.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: We're going to try to draw the defense outside and
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: if we don't, well we'll just take the penalty of
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: call time out. Right. Then they did the same thing
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: with may He ran one play, did the same thing,
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: trying to draw the defense offside. Like I don't think
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: they've run enough plays to get to that kind of
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: situational stuff yet, you know what I mean. And I'm
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: not saying like you shouldn't work on that. You absolutely
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: need to work on that. Build it all the time.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: But it was, you know, in the span of I
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: felt like the team periods were like ten plays, not
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: like four or five plays like they were. So like people,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: there's been a lot made of there's more competitive periods
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: in these practice. I don't think there's any difference, And.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Those practices speak more to me and just than my
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: like limited football playing, like that's what football is. It's
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: just like you don't really have a sense settle down
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: now we're all gonna make the play. Like it's like
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: oh god, you know, all right, what back back or
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: what are you doing? You know, like it's that like
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: getting the information, knowing the situation, how much times left,
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: where the ball is, what you know?
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: All that there yet.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely hear a lot about these practices though,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and that they're kind of a slog you know, like
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: a old Mike McCarthy. Green Bay practice is just yeah,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: it just that's how they run. Practice is a little
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: bit different. And their offense is so predicated on window
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: dressing and everything looking the same on early downs, like
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: your run plays should marry up to your play actions
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: and the defense shouldn't be able to tell the difference
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: in the first couple of steps of the play. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: that takes a lot of repetition. It's all muscle memory
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. And the way that
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: they do that is is the way we've seen practice.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Let's see Wand from Monterey does not like the Godshaw contract.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: He says he doesn't impact the passing game. Plus he's
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: on the older side. I believe that a third or
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: fourth round pick could do eighty percent of the job
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: that he does stopping the run.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: So I feel like I hear what he's saying. But
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I also think that in recent years that mindset has
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: gotten them into trouble because they've drafted guys thinking we'll
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: just get eighty percent of this player with our third
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: round pick, and it's Marte Mapu and he can't get
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: on the field, and you know that it doesn't work out.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: So you can sit here and say, yeah, they could
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: have drafted a defensive tackle in the draft and replaced
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Devon Godshaw that way, But what if he's not as
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: good as von Godshaw and there was a string there
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: where Bill was on fire? It was hit you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: he he would trade Richard Seymour or whatever, Chandler Jones,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: and he would just draft somebody and get seventy five
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: percent of the player. But then when when you stop
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: doing that, all of a sudden, the talent on the
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: roster just starts to fade away.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that you had decisions to I
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: don't think they had anybody. I mean, I'm not a
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: huge godscha guy you know, and people know that. Although
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: I do like the way he's kind of handled his
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: situation as comparative comparatively to Judon, they don't really have
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: a guy that's a run stuffer right now that I
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: would say like, oh, well, that's that's the guy like
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: maybe Watts like did that in Pittsburgh. I don't know
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: enough about him to know. You know, they let Lawrence
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: guy go, so I don't think Sam Roberts is that
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: kind of guy. I don't think they have like a
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: younger guy.
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Those guys I don't think are going to give you
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: seventy five percent of Godshaw. I also don't think it's
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's a really big contract. I think they
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: gave him a little bit to wet his beak. I
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: don't think the same kind of percentage wise, I don't
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: think the same would would satisfy Judon.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: He got like sixteen million guaranteed.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Right, but it's also it's a little more this year,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: and then the rest of the guaranteed next year, like
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: the second year or the extension is probably not going
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: to come to fruition. It's not guaranteed. So he's got
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: a little guaranteed money for this year and next he
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: was gonna make seven and a half. I think it's
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: probably going to be closer to like ten, and then
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: he gets the rest next year and then that's gonna
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: be it. Yeah, and I don't really think they have
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: a guy that stops the run like he does. It's good.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I think you put it really well, Paul. It's like
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: they didn't rely have a choice. Like it's just, you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: there's nobody really out there the drop off, especially with
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: bar Moore Barbore being tested, you know, like that helped him.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: And kind of backed him into a corner. And now
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: what are you gonna do?
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean teacher wise Is is a solid player,
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: but you know, you think you can run at him. Yeah,
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: we usually could, and that's kind of been his thing.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: So especially with that guy, I just think they had to.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I think you've described it perfectly. It's it's not a
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: big deal. I think he's a good player in the
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: middle of me. He plays sixty percent of the snaps.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: He's been really healthy. I don't think he's missed a
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: single game since he's been here. So, you know, though,
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: you take those things into consideration, and he's gonna do
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: what he does. It's an important piece, but you know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: I think I just don't think they really had a choice.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Bai five to five past five hundred is the ACE
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: ticket hotline. Web radio at page dot com is then
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: email address. Let's hit the phones. Patty's an agalam. What's up?
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: Patty?
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: What's OK?
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: Hey?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: You hear me better? Yeah? We can hear you, all right.
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: I just got a question for Freddie and a question
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: for Paul or for the more esteemed gentleman on the show, Freddy,
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: who's taken over for the pregame and postgame duties this year.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got a special surprise for everybody. People are
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: gonna love it. We'll, we'll, We'll keep it under wraps
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: until Thursday. So for what pregame postgame question earlier?
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: Since it is still technically the off season, I just
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: wanted to get your guys opinion on what your favorite
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: eighties song was like, like a typical eighties eighties I
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: don't mind mine. I Oh, I think you would like
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: my picture because it has Philip Bailey, but Philip Bailey and.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Phil Collins Lover, Easy, Lover, good song.
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: Just to shout out to Travis in West Virginia. Keeps
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: the singers coming. Buddy, I love him.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: That's all I got got, all right, thanks Patty.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Favorite eighties song is tough, Yeah, I get tough for me.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know like which decade different songs are. I
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: know songs that I like, but I can tell them, Oh,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: that's a seventies or an eighties song. I get confused.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Heart's on Fire, rocky Floor.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: That's right to the soundtrack for that hour.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I just knew it's from the eighties because he had
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: that's already.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's eighties or.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: No idea survivor.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: The eighties was a weird decade for music because you
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: were coming off disco, right yeah, and you got into
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of like punk.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Rock grunk, like weird grund chippy stuff like as in
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: the early nineties was like you know, pearl jam all.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Right, right, So it was kind of a bridge year,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: a bridge decade for music if you ask me.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Eighty five Rocky four nailed.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Myself. I mean I had the tiger probably in my
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: running just because I mean, as a kid do so
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: that was It's hard not to get psyched when.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: That would help to term my volume up.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: John Cafferty, John Cafferty was hearts on fire. I feel
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: like I I would have lost a lot of money.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: Actually, I think that's exactly what I was gonna say too.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I think I would have lost a lot of money
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: on that.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: That the here's a good one.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: I did like John Caffy who was polosed.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: On the Rocky four album. What's the name of the
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: guy who did like the like while they're boxing that music?
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Like all that?
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: The compositions that Vince da Coola.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I had the tape. I know, how do you?
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: I had the tape I was waiting for. You know,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: we did a project with him.
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: I love my student film.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I love the Tiger student film. I would never did Besmidge.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: I have the Tiger but ready to fly Now it
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: might be better?
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I had that too on them on
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: my workout mixing.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: It might be better.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have had my fifth grade middle school
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: band play hous Let's.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Get back to the phones. Noah's in Toronto. What's up, Noah?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: I guys, I just had a quick question about the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: guy shot. Yeah, he's kind, he's uh a PFF.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 10: Really doesn't like him.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: He's like one hundred second playing superior defender last year
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: and contrast.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: Like we know Belichick really liked him.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: I was wondering if you guys have any insights on
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: like what's the discrepancy there is there's stuff he's doing
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: like PFF wouldn't be capturing or something than.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Well I think PFF. You know, you're grading out defensive
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: lineman like in a like in a vacuum of like
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: almost like Madden ratings right where you know pass rush
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: is going to be more important in the fact that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: he doesn't play a lot in the passing game, it
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't put a lot of pressure on quarterbacks, is gonna
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: knock him. And you also have to look at production
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: and like he plays in a two gapping system where
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: he's a nose tackle, so like he's not gonna have TFLs,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: he's not gonna have stuffs like he's that's not going
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: to be those of volume stats are not going to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: count up.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: So don't count that.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Yeah, they say that they're grading the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: film and everything, but they're they signed a lot of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: grades to production based stuff.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, Will was never a favorite.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: As I've argued with them before about this with some
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: of my friends over there and I'm just like, but guys, like,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: you're saying that so and so, you know, Dante high Tower.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I remember this. You're saying that Dante high Tower is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: having a bad season, and I could not be further
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: from the truth, And like, so where's the disconnect here?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it had to do with, you know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: they don't give him a plus for blowing up a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: guard and you know and letting somebody else make the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: tackle right, you know, whereas when you're watching the film,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: the coaches here are saying Dante high Tower did his
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: job right, you know, So that that's that's the big
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: description to.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Sure argued about that. We're not argued, but lamented about
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: that for years. Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys, can you hear me the time?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: So I got a quick thing. I want one guy
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: that you've been pleasantly surprised by and one guy's just
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: a little bit disappointed in from each of you. Thank
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: that's pretty okay.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks, one guy pleasantly surprised, one guy a little disappointed.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Putting some thought into this one, Yeah, I haven't really
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: I wish I mean, I mean, it was an opportunity
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: to say I wish I was pleasantly surprised by Kean White.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: I know some people have written that he's doing great
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: in camp. I haven't seen yet. I'd love to see it,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: so I don't know what that makes him. But I'll
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: just use this chance to say I wish I could
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: say him right now. Some people probably would say him disappointing.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to take the cheese. I talked to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: both thora. Maybe he's a pleasant surprise. I haven't really
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: been overly disappointed. I mean, maybe if you poke me
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: up to a lie detector, I would have to admit
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: I'm a little disappoint it in May, but I'm not.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not really overly surprised. I thought he was twenty one,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: and you know he's gonna need some time to develop. Yeah,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: Mapo's it's just disappointing.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: He's hurt again. I mean, that's a disappointment.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Would have liked to see him, a little surprised with.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Rager done nothing since Pat's Yeah, I'll throw I'll throw
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: one out there. Actually that I don't. I just and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: he's on the fringe right now. But I'm just kind
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: of intrigued a little bit as Jamichael Hasty of you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: just here and there he's going to make the hand.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know, I just I'm not gonna,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: you know, say he's gonna be the next superstar or anything.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: But you know, just one of those guys that and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: the same thing with Terrell Jenny's kid who just was hurt.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: But just watching him move a little bit, you know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: I think there's a there's a spot there. Just guys
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: I like to see in the preseason, you know, and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: see if they have anty chease. I mean, I know
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: Hasty he's played a little bit in the league, so
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: you know, he's not a total jump but guys that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: maybe could we get a spot. He's he's had a
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: little bit of juice, he's gotten some reps, you know,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: with with some of these groups.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: That you know, maybe the him and his guy looks like, yeah,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: a little it might make a roster. I had someone
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: sort of talk to me a little bit about him
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: that he's one of those he looks like he's one
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: of those guys that's playing a little bit harder than
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: everybody else. You know, those guys. It wasn't my observation,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest, but it wasn't it was from the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Norward all tent.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pleasantly surprised. I would just say that the starting
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: offensive line as a whole, Like, I just don't think
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: it's been a train wreck. Yeah, I'm not saying that
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: there they've been elite or anything like that, but based
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: off of the last couple camps that we've seen where
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: there's guys running through the line all the time, I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: don't feel like it's been that way.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: To me.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: That's health. Yeah, Like these guys have been out there
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: every day, you know, we Andrews missed a couple of
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: days obviously, but for the most part, they've had their
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: top call it eight nine guys minus Cole Strange. Yeah,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: you know, and they've been out there every you know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: every day. Last year when the season started, they had
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: to frantically find Tyrone Wheatley in Vederian Lowe off the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: scrap peak because Calvin Anderson and was gone for the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: entirety of camp. They had no where I mean, they
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: didn't even have Connor McDermott, remember, Yeah, like are they
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: had nowhere to turn? They had all these guys were hurt.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: This year, Evan's right, it's not been anything like, yeah,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: And I also just.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Like shout out to my guy, Scott Peters, like I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: feel like Scott Peters. I'm he's He's growing on me,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: not that I didn't like him to begin with.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: Every time I look at him, shoulders for day.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: If you pump him up too much, you'll be a
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: head coach.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Next Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about him. And I think
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the one thing that really stands out to me is
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: you see a little bit of things with each guy
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: that has gotten better from either last season in the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: NFL or college. You know, in the case of Cayden Wallace,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: like City Show looks much better in pass protection than
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: he did at times last year. And I think Cayden Wallace,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of his technique, things that people talked about
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: in the draft, are already starting to show some signs
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: of improvement. So I give a lot of credit to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: him and Coogler too. You know, I think those guys
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing with the offensive line, which which
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: helps a lot.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: To Freddy Cougler, Robert Robert Robbie.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Speaking of the offensive line, Dan Copen was in the house.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Down the Davis all right, the strike system works.
• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:29
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• 1:06:30
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  Speaker 12: It's good to be uh, It's good to be out here.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 12: I'm scared to have the players back in the building.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 12: Yesterday we gave them the day off. I know a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 12: lot of questions today will be about you know, Judon
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 12: and things like that. But just so you guys know,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: my philosophy and our philosophy is to keep as much
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: internal as possible. Had a great meeting with Judon and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 12: we're all moving forward. I remember as a player, it's
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: always a difficult time, right, It's always a difficult time
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: when you go through contract negotiations and things like that.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: And saying that for the rest of the team, like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: we're pushing forward.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: Fully expect Matthew to be out here today and participate
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 12: in practice, but we're looking forward to getting better out
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 12: here today, and honestly, we're a week away from playing football.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 12: I'm kind of excited to watch the Hall of Fame
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 12: game tonight, so the guys are ready to come out
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 12: here and compete.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: To look on what happened out here on Monday.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 12: With I'll tell you this, you know, first time head coaching,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 12: first time in past. I always remember what happened that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 12: day and saying that, you know, look, we had a conversation.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: I have a great relationship with Matthew, have a great
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 12: relationship with the players.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: But we're moving forward and we're trying to look up.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 10: I know you can't get into specifics, but how would
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: you characterize that conversation with met.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 12: It was good, it was healthy, and I always encourage
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 12: those guys to come in and speak with me or
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 12: speak with Elliott, and that's what it is, and those
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 12: things should happen inside of the walls.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: It also must feel good to be able to get
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: some kind of closure with with the Buds.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, Look, I mean there was that was a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 12: long process, but I'm glad we got we got that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 12: deal finished. And once again it goes to the point of,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 12: you know, we want to sign players that we know
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 12: that still have good ball.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 13: Being an ex player and having gone through situations where
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 13: contracts and negotiations it just.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: Helped a lot.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 12: And in saying that, I will say each each situation
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: is unique to itself, and so we can sit here
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 12: and say, you know, you should do this or do that.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: There are all different situations. But like I said earlier,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 12: I feel good about where we are right now. I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 12: feel good about the way uh the players are are
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 12: operating out here on the field. I feel good about
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: the way Elliott and his staff are going to you know,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 12: about this stuff because obviously he's very heavily involved.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: So we're in a good place.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: On Tuesday, Matthew wasn't here at practice.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: Find what happened Monday.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: There was a report also that wasn't at the facility.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Was that team driven and was he find it all?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: I'm not ready to talk about that right now.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 12: What I will say is we gave the guys that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 12: day off yesterday to come out here today and be energized,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 12: and once again we fully expect every player to come
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 12: out here and participate and get better.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: You keep things in house.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 13: It was a report yesterday there have been a contract
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 13: offered and his Twitter account, which says he does or
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 13: does not run immediately disputed that and said they're trying
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 13: to make me look bad again. Is that something that's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 13: been addressed, because it seems like that keeps pushing things
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 13: into the forefront again.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, for me and for Elliott as well.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 12: Look, those are internal conversations, and you know, once again,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 12: we always think about these as long term relationships. Whether
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 12: we sign a player to an extension, whether we sign
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 12: a player off the street, whether we release a player,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 12: these are long term relationships and that's something that I've
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 12: always take taken great pride in all of those things aside.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 12: I mean, look, at some point in time, you'll talk
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 12: to Matthew, but right now, we just want to keep
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 12: that in the house from our perspective.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: What about what Devon got shaw, well, went into the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: team's decision to give him a new contract.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: Well, the thing about Gosha, you's a huge piece of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: what we do.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 12: I don't look, it's never a well, at least for
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 12: me at least, it has never been just a clean
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 12: process of all right, you want a deal, here's a deal.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: All right, we're done.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 12: And so this was a little bit more extensive. But
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 12: I'm happy to have him here. I'm happy to have
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 12: h Devon here, happy, right and ready to go.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: So it's good.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 10: Did the way he's carried himself in training camp have
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 10: to do it all with getting that deal done where
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 10: he's out here participating every day even though he's unhappy
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 10: with that contract.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: That is our philosophy.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 12: And once again, this isn't unique to the New England
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 12: Patriots as far as guys wanting a new contract. But
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 12: he handled it like a professional in the classroom. Out
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 12: here on the field, he was out here full pass,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 12: participating everything. And uh that that definitely helps.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: That's not definitely one what exchange.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: But did Christian situation play into maybe a sense of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: urgency when it came to get intout.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 12: Honestly, those are two different type of players, you know.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 12: The one thing about having DG back, he does provide
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 12: some stability up front. Now I'm saying that, you know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 12: my committee will have to try and replace the production
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 12: of Christian And honestly, you know, just talking about Christian,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 12: I've had a couple of conversations with him.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: He's in good spirits. It's one of those things that
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 8: you really can't control. But you know, when he's ready
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: to go, he'll be here. Is there any intestation that
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: he will be ready to go this season at all?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 12: Or honestly, I'm not sure that I'll leave that to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 12: the medical professionals. I'm really not sure. I'm just happy
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 12: that he's doing the best.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: What have you observed from him?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so I'll tell you this, I've always I've been
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 12: a huge fan of Pope, you know, since scouting, you know,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 12: scouting all those other players, and you know, he's just
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 12: one of those guys like when he puts the pads on,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 12: he's that much better. He does the dirty work. He
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 12: also can run, you know, great, rouse has great hands.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 12: He's one of those just all around players that you
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 12: want to build your team around. And I would also
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 12: say he does flash some leadership ability, which I definitely
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 12: appreciate it.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: How much do you appreciate guys from your perspective that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: keeps showing up on film every day when you go
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: back and look at the practice film.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they're definitely guys that are showing up. And really,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 12: you know two phases like this counts special teams as well,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 12: and it's good to see those guys get better.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: And I told you guys.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 12: This are my press or that I'm in the business
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 12: of developing men, developing good men before good players. But
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 12: if we want to win games, we have to have
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 12: good players. And it's exciting to see guys like Ox
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 12: take that step forward. You know, those guys are doing
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 12: a good job just getting better and contributing.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: Said earlier in camp about Drake.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Will be ups and downs, and I feel like the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: first two days of Pad's the worst.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: Some you know, a little bit of a roller coaster.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: Question is what did you learn about Drake? You know,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 8: during after those two practices, Let's let's rewind a little bit.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 12: And you know, I got this feeling when we met
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 12: with Drake and Carolina, just this overall mental toughness and competitiveness,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 12: and he understands that it's not always going to be
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 12: it's not always going to be clean. I will say this,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 12: He's handled it very well. Now I know that the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 12: players will enjoy working with them, and he's a competitor coach.
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  Speaker 8: It comes to captains, I think decided how you go about.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 12: Ornan Org just so the same way it's I think
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 12: it's always important to allow their peers to vote on
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 12: captains out you know, I don't want to do with it.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 12: I know him in my head who I think the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 12: leaders of the team are. Hopefully that marries up with
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 12: what the players say, but I think the peers should
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 12: have the opportunity to vote on on their captains. One
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 12: thing I will say on that, I've never been a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 12: huge fan of having you know, ten captains or eight
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 12: captains or anything like that. Uh you know, I don't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 12: know what that number looks like, but it will be up.
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  Speaker 8: To the players. Dredge the eposent question. You're now starting
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: your second week here training. Do you feel like your
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: team is where you want them to be right now?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 12: Look, we have to realize we have to get better
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 12: each and every day, even when we go through the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 12: regular season like where we are week one should not
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 12: be where we are and we gain.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: And that's the approach that we're taking.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: Going back to Drake, you know you see us up here,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: or maybe you don't vote charting every pass.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: Every completion, every incompletion.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, is it fair to say just that you know,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: he's battling through a little bit here a couple of days,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: that maybe we're tough for him.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: You know, I would say I would say, all the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: rookies are battling through things.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 12: You know, it's a different scheme, it's a different you know,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 12: state for you know, there's so much change for these guys.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 12: But what you want to see as those guys, you know,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 12: go through adversity, you want to see him handle it
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 12: the right way. Like you don't want to see the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 12: explosions on the sideline. You don't want to see any
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 12: of that. It's all about the next page and turning
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 12: the page.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: Question. There's been a lot of talk, you know, because
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: maybe some of these struggles early on.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: What would be your message to people just about maybe
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: those early struggles because he.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: Is a rookie.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 12: You know, Look, look, people are going to have their opinions.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 12: I would say the opinions inside of the four walls
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 12: matter most. And I would say the people inside the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 12: four walls know what they're talking about, and so you.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: Can take that for what it is.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: We all support Drake. We all know what it's like
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: to be a rookie in this league.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 12: Not you guys obviously, but I know what it's like
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 12: to be a rookie and it's not all peaches and cream.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 12: You probably remember this San Francisco, my rookie year. You know,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 12: I got benched on third down. I only played early
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 12: downs because I just wasn't ready. And that was like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 12: week ten, right, it was like week ten, week eleven.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 12: But it was a wake up call for me to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: get benched. And you know from there on I was
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 12: going and I was Rookie of the year. Still got benched.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 12: So whatever we want to talk about with Drake, there
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 12: will be up and downs. Hopefully it ends on up.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: Guys considered giving.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 11: Great some reps with like the top offensive grouping that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 11: Jacoby's been with, just to see what he can do
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 11: with those guys.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 12: Like you guys said, it's a second week of training camp.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 12: We have a game here a week from now. He'll
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 12: have an opportunity to go out there and participate with
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 12: if you want to call him the ones, the ones,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 12: but we mix a match.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: Thanks. I thought you guys are going to be harder
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: and that when.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: Someone accidentally threw the school play costumes, no replacements were
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery, everyone
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where now
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: it's next for residential delivery.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: History, no one was worth a big hit.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 10: He was.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: He was.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: He had also didn't wait till the break. As soon
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: as the food arrived, he would just shut his microphone off,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: move it away, and start eating. But I mean seriously, yea,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: he'd be done before the break started.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 14: He'd actually sentence in an argument with Fred and and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 14: if the producer would come in with the food, he
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 14: would stop what he was doing.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 14: Arguing, you know, passionately about something and it would just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 14: like drop everything and Tred be like, you can't.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Even have like the producer go down because you know
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: they'd have the media meal, so you know, just make
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: us a plate. So he'd come back with like maybe
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: six or seven sandwiches, and the moment he put it
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: down to the table, they like just just jump on high.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: Metabolism.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Guy just always eating, always eating, but he has always eating.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: But he always work out.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if he ever slows down in his workout, he's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: gonna balloon. The rest of his body will catch up
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: to his head.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 2: All right back here and Patri's Unfiltered A five to
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  Speaker 2: five past five hundred is the A Sticket Hotline Web
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: radio at patries dot com is the email address.
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  Speaker 4: No more food and well you change the studio. It's
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: not conduc so for it.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Oh stop it. You just eat the food. Eat food.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: Had my lunch.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Evan eight, he went over there and you
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: stood up. I did a grab and go before I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: came down grabbing. I just ran through the draft kings
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: thing and grabbed a couple playing with mini chicken salad sandwiches.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: I did so fast they didn't even see.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: It pays to be at the executive level. I went
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: so fast, Like, would you say, did you wait thirty minutes?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: I figured if I before swimming?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I figured if I kept moving, no one would catch me.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like swimming. H yeah, you have to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: wait thirty minutes.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: Even watching some swimming. You watch any swim lives, I've
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: been watching a lot of it.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: I actually love the swimming. That's I think my I've
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: decided is my favorite.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Those swimmers against Lea DECI you're still swimming.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine? Like she has the twenty fastest times
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: ever recorded in the fifteen hundred. Yeah, like her twenty
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: her twentieth best day is better than anyone's ever done. It.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Her lungs must be like credible, like she's a big
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: smoker cigarettes that the world.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: Record them out.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Dominance one another gold medal just like literally just now.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: Miles spoiling my stories tonight in the all Around all Around, Yeah,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: he's spoiling my stories.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Have you watched Gold Zone yet?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: No, I was watching. I've been watching, like I I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: watched every night a little bit. I know, mostly when
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: I'm watching what you know, what the results were, but
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: there's still fun to watch.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: You watched like the night like.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Features certain things.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: I saw North Korea women's won like a like a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: sink diving thing, and it was like the first time.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, I didn't even realize No Korea was
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: in the Olympics, like you know, it was.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Their first the first time it was North.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: Korea, North Korea.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that either.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I watched a decent amount yesterday. I watched
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: the basketball game. Obviously it's good.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's see Joey from I think Texas right said, yeah,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: he is, how you doing? He says, Let's hope Drake
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: May isn't a twenty twenty four draft. May stake, oh Brissette,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Zappi and Milton are not franchise quarterbacks. And let's hope
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Drake turns it around soon. He's got soon in capital letters,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: we need to turn football back in New England. Need
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: better practices.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: I got one guy saying that the two practices the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: next two days are make or break. Now.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Now we've got a listener saying we need to turn
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: this crap around soon. Sound practice on Saturday, Paul, I'm out.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: I'm out, just going to go do something else.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: I think Evan and I should just spend the whole
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: practice on Saturday needling you, like, what do you think
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: might in completely pass?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Then?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Do you see that?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: I guess I guess like selfishly though for me, like
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: this is these are the last couple probably super fun practices,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: the joint practice, but otherwise we don't get to watch
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: practice again, like this is kind of it, you.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Know, and those.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Down so we get the whole Eagles week too. Yeah,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: well one practice, No, it's multiple that week.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: It's Monday Tuesday.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's only watching one practice.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: Right Tuesday we get and then we think we might get.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: My guess is after the Eagles game, leading into the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: Washington game, we'll get We'll get practices that we can see.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, Yeah, that wouldn't be open to the public,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: right because those are so like when we came back
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: from Green Bay last year and those Tennessee practices that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: didn't happen, but they happened here. We the media gets
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: to go to those, but the they're closed to the public.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: But we still got to watch those practices. So you
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: get to watch all the way through the third preseason game.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: So one thing, you know that and I'm not a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: huge like we got to go to practice, you know,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: you know Capital J journalists, I demand my presence, Like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: but it is kind of like lousy that you have
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: a third overall pick quarterback who probably isn't going to
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: start at least right away, and you don't get a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: chance to watch practice once the preseason ends to sort
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: of see how he's developing. You know, like do you
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: watch him in week eight and say, Wow, he's much
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: better than he wasn't training camp? You know you don't
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: get to see that, right, Yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I do. I do wonder and this
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: is coming from somebody that this is my bread and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: butter training camp, but I do wonder if it's like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: if we need to be there at every single practice
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: this time of year, Like, I just don't know if
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: it's necessarily does I don't know if it necessarily is
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: a great for the team.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh listen, I five is the coaches.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: I'd rather have no one at Well, totally understand why
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: coaches don't want to.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: See in pockets, But what happens is that you end
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: up going on this training camp roller coaster of one
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: day's good, one day's bad, one day's good, one day's bad,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: and like none of it really means anything, whereas like
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: in OTAs and stuff, where we just get that the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: one snapshot here, one snapshot there, like you don't necessarily
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: see like what Paul is talking about the progress. But
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: then you come back a week later and it's like, oh,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: it looks a little better if you look at it.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: From the league standpoint. Look at all the volume of
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: content that comes out from each team, each rapport throughout
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: training camp because they've got the access.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know, it's from a professional standpoint, a sight
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: out of mind.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and every every sport you know does it. Yeah,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: you know, every sport allows you to cover the preseason.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. That reminds me. You you said the
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Capital J journalism. It reminded me of a story that
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: came out and we've talked about it before. But I
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: guess the NFL p A is now coming up with
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: proposals about no reporters in the locker room. I mean,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: we've talked about that before.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: They're trying to take the reporters out.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Of and come up with another way to do those interviews,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: but just not in the locker.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: Room after after games, are you know team drinks. Yeah,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: I agree with the privacy aspect of it, but when
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: you go into the locker room, you know, don a Wednesday,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: and you just kind of get to bop around and
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: like check in with four or five players, not necessarily
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: even like an on the record interview, but that's just
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: like how you start to get to know the guy
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: so that when it comes to asking questions on the record,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: they're you're not asking a stranger, you know the question,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: And I just I wonder how you recreate that, Yeah,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: without being in the locker I.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Think during the week is I think to me, during
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: the week is more problematic because that's when like you said,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: you form those relationships after game. Maybe instead of the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: players going right to the locker room, you have you know,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: a fifteen minute period after the game where the players
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: have to stay out of the field and you do
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: them right there.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I will say that one of the things the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: way they do training camp now, like they make you know,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: a half dozen guys available every day and they put
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: them at the podiums. It is a tough way to cover,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: you know, thank you COVID. You know, it's a tough
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: way to do it. The way like I used to like,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: the old way is they would have you ask them
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: right who you want, who you want, and you know
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: you would put it. But you also could talk to
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: a player coming off the field. You could go up
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: to a guy and say, hey, David Andrews, you know
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: you got a second, and if he didn't, if he
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: didn't want to talk, he would say no, Just like
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: in the locker room, if he went up to a
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: guy at his locker and ask him if he had
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: a minute, he might say no, I'll catch you tomorrow
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: or whatever. I like that better because I don't really
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: necessarily feel like you get anything out of anybody when
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: there's fifty of his closest friends, you know, asking questions
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: like if you're going to talk to someone and get
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: anything out of them, you got to have a small group.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: You gotta have the ability to do it on your own.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've often said, like I kind of think
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: the locker room should be their sanctuary. And you know
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: I I and we have another way.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be opposed to that,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: But there's got to be some kind of way that
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: you have a chance to talk to anybody you want,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: not just the guys they make of available.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: And informally, like you got to force them to hang
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: out with you.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because like to Paul's point, and I know most
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: people are listening to this like they don't care. I'm
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: sorry that your job is not as fun as it
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: used to be. But you know, to Paul's point, like
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: when you used to be able to just pull guys
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: coming off the field, like it wasn't like you weren't
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: walking off to Tom Brady and saying, you know, hey,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: like you know what what did how is practice today?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: But it was you know, some of the guys usually
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: that were like fighting for roster spots or on the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: bubble or rookies or whatever, and then you got an
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: opportunity to say, hey, what happened on this player that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: play that happened in practice today, Whereas when they get
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: up to the podium, it's like structured, you know, and
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: you feel a little bit more limit.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: Everyone writes the same thing now off of you know
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: what the right you know, whatever a good SoundBite is.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: Everybody's like and there it is.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: And you know, to your point, Fred, like, you know,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: the NFL probably loves this because you got all this
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: glot of coverage, but it's all the same, right, you know,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: And the NFL doesn't care because it's just the volume
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: that they care about. But I just think it's sort
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: of unfortunate that there's nothing really there's nothing really different.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can like put in requests to talk
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: to players, but you can put in the request before practice.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: So it's like, well, if so and so has a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: great practice, like that changes now who I would want
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: to talk to after practice, Whereas if the guy I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: requested in the morning is doesn't even practice, then that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean no good.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know. I just thought i'd bring
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: that up because that's interesting. I mean read that a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: couple of days ago.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just hard as it feels like no matter
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: what whatever, the you know, replacement for that is is
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: going to be a waste of the player's time in
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: their mind that they're going to have to go somewhere
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: and hang out.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think they'll do it that way. I think
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: that the the result. And I understand Fred, and you
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: and I feel the same way about the locker room.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: You and I have never felt really great about being
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: in the locker room, right, I agree, But I think
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: the result is going to be you're gonna get coverage
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: the way training camp is. They're gonna they're going to
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: make a half dozen or so players available every day,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: and that's what you get.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, and you know, then there's the other issue.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Everything's about equality these days, and you know, as what's say,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: women's hockey and women's soccer pro soccer becomes big, more
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: people will start covering it, and some of them will
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: be men. Are you know a lot of men in
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: their locker rooms?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Probably not so.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: I did cover a women's beam pot one year, one
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: hundred years ago, and yeah, no, like they you would
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: stand outside the locker room and you you know, you
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: have to bring players out to you. You do not
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: go in the lot.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of athletes, So why is that anything?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Why do I have to, you know, make sure that
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: I'm dressed or you know, uh after a game like so,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: A lot of people them just don't care, you.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Know, a lot of them.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: But I would be too.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: I'd never put my shirt on if I look like that.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Alex in Somerset was not the shirt I'm worried about,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: Dann Skipper.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at you, Patriots missiles. Alex in Somerset watching
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: pokes highlights in college, he remind me a lot of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Brandon Mafel. Big doesn't create a ton of separation. It's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: seemingly a clutch player. Do you guys see any similarities
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: in his game to la Fel? And if he does
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: end up having a career that Mary's Lafel, would you
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: be happy with that?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: I see some similarities, and you know, I do see
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: someone in the know what all tent actually made that comparison.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: I do see some similarities.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: And then I don't remember with Brandon, you know, this
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: was I was a little young and at that point.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: But he was an outside guy, right, He was.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: More of an outside guy than this, but like sort
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: of like a good drive starter kind of guy. Right, Yeah,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: we'll go, you know, hard play action on first and
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: ten from our twenty and he's gonna he's gonna run
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: a quick out or a quick game for eleven.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Right here we go, drive star, right, Yeah, I remember
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: those types of plays and then obviously the playing against Baltimore,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: you know, in the playoffs, but like those were outside,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: like those are perimeter.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: He was more of an outside guy.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that first touchdown against Seattle in Super Bowl forty nine.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: And that's, oh yeah, that's kind of good one.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Too, you know, But I see the similarities as you're saying.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: But I think Polk is going to be more of
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: an interior guy, and I think the hope is that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: he just has a little bit more wiggle than you know,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: fell kind of tall stiff. I mean, I don't I'm
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: not saying that Polk isn't.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: A little stiff too, but yeah, I would be disappointed
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: if that's all we ends up being.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: No me too for sure.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Ready for some trivia, okay, and it will be wonderful.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Enrique from Monterey has some and looks like these are
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: mostly a lot of them will have to do with
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: playoffs with Super Bowl, but not all of them anyway.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: First one, there are don't look, dude, I'm not looking.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: They don't even look at him.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: There are only three teams that have reached the Super
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Bowl three years in a row. Buffalo and New England
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: are two of those. Who's the other one?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Miami correct seventy one, seven.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Before my time, since nineteen thirty six, the first.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Ever drafts before my time too. But you just kind
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: of know. Yeah, I don't know if you guys know,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: but in seventeen seventy six, before my time, we won
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: our independence on hundred years before. Okay, I wasn't there,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: I wasn't born.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Weren't Hamilton, You weren't in the room, but.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: People told us. You know, people have read about it.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Since nineteen thirty six, the first ever draft. There are
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: only three teams that have never had the worst record
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, thus never had picked number one overall,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: which are Greenburg.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's one of them.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: I think Green Bay is incorrect.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: I think Terry. I think Terry Bradshaw is the first correct.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Damn three teams have never had the worst record in
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: You can just but I have no idea.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Baltimore, Seattle and Denver.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Seattle was believable. Okay, Seattle's a little surprising. They haven't
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: been around that.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, they haven't been around it.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Rick Meyer was two three.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Who was the last black place kicker in the NFL?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: Who the guy from the Raiders?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: That's a punter, Donald, That is correct?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just threw that out.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Wow, the punter.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: What is the NFL team in history to the playoffs
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: seven consecutive years without reaching the conference championship game?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: Someone made the playoffs seven consecutive years without winning, went
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: out reaching the championship.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: I did not know.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna need a hint.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: The name of the team no longer exists.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: Oilers.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: That's correct, run sho.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Finally, time two teams that played each other in the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl was their first appearance for both teams. So
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: two teams and it was their first appearance that played
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: These are really good questions.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: These are these are hard?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, so is this like when was the last time,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: So last time, the last right, okay, because obviously when
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowls start right right.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: Right, right right right.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: The lab Baltimore in two thousand.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: I think you've got to go back further, go back further.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: The last time.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: Chicago, New England.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: Wow, good questions in ry K.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in England.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: There's some trivia, good stuff in Rique. Thank you.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: It was the last time both teams made their first appearance. Wow,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: that's a long time ago. Eighty five.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Super thirty one, is that what it was?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it had to be both teams.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: Now, I was twenty, It's my my senior year of
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: high school. Bro.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: So you were there for that one.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: I was there.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: I was there for that one.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: That was all ed. I was at the fish the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: fumble on the first play of the game.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: ZIP and they never scored again. It was so fifty
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: six ten right, forty six.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: I'm said, I just still remember the energy. I mean
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: even as a kid, I was like ten years old,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: but it was just the whole town was like crazy
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: for the Patriots. They made like a music video like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know how my dad got it might have
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: been through Rebok, but it was like a touchy feely
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: so that's what friends are for. And it was all
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: like all kinds of like slow motion locker room footage
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: of like you know, we made the X.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: It was the era of the cheesy video.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Patriots.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: Then we we're the best in the AFC.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad we've come from I waved rather than
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: No, we're we're gonna all sing a song as the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: media for the team going to the Super Bowl.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: I'm very glad that we had super.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: That was good. Back back then we thought, now you
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: look at.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: It, Oh that was good. There's cheesy video, but the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: song was good.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: It would have gone viral today. That would have been
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: like a TikTok like craze.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: It was like, oh, you gotta do right.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: You have a little lot of little NFL news. Justin
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: Herbert Planter fascia in his foot.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: That's a big injury. Do we mention the defensive lineman
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: that we signed on the air, Mike Mike Purcell.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sign Mike Purcell. Yeah, veteran guy, but according.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: To his agency, big dog. I mean, I just say
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised. I thought when you said defensive lineman, I
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: anticipated maybe a lighter guy two ninety a kind of upfield,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: you know. Bar Moore asked, now that you've secured uh, gotcha,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: But he's more like a big fatty like gotcha you know.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's who spent I guess, say twenty seventeen. Yeah,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: on the practice practice squad here.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: It's even kind of kicking around. I think it was
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: Denver last year.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: I wonder if like in their base front. Yeah, I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: was doing this yesterday when they resigned. God or they
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: send a gotcha, yeah, gotsha the nose. You have Dietrich
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: Wise at one of the three four ends, and then
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Barmore would have been at the other spot. And now
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: it's like, is it Keon White He's probably a little
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: undersize for that. Is it Jeremiah Farms, like you know,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: Watts a quality? Maybe this is one of those guys
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: that's like more like a Lawrence guys.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: So there it is. There it starts. Patriots play the Chargers. Yeah,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: there's one backup.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: Oh shoot, you said Justin Herbert. I heard for some
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: reason I went in my head justin Fields for some
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: reason now Herbert.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: But they're saying that he should be ready for they're
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: gonna shut him down obviously, and you should be ready
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: for the start of regular season. But that's typically an
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: injury that lingers. Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: And now, was that like something that kind of develops
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: or is that a sudden traumatic?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: It's a stress it's a stress injury. Yeah, that's what achill. No,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: it's in your foot, like in the inside of your foot,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: usually inside of the foot usually, but I think it
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: can be. Yeah, I'm not a doctor.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: When I fell down the steal like that one too.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to the ace ticket outline eight five
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: to five past five hundred. Anthony's in Toronto. What's up, Anthony?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys a long time listen.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: They're like they're time caller.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: I think, okay, I just wanted to say.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 10: Thank you and appreciate you guys.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: You guys absolutely kill it.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 10: I feel like you don't get enough recognition.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: So well that's true for money.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 10: Obviously, this show has changed a lot, you know, going
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 10: from Andy and Eric and you know, Kevin and the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 10: Booth to the team now, which is significantly better. Let's rated,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 10: are you know one of the accent off and that.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: So I just want to again, want to say, appreciate
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: you guys, and quick question.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 10: Obviously, you know we kind of have like our top
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 10: four receivers, you know, Born, Baker, Polk and Douglass they're
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 10: going to make the roster and then it looks like
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 10: we're probably gonna keep stick.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: So of the other three guys who right.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 10: Now based off training him, do you guys think we're
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 10: going to keep out of Juju Osbourne and then take
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 10: one man?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: I keep forgetting about it.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: Is probably gonna stay, although I don't think he's had
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: a great camp, but I think he I think he'll stay.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: Thornton is the guy that I think has been showing
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: up more so than Booty Rager Juju. I think Jordon
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: has showing up more than those guys. And I think
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: I kind of look at that group is maybe fighting
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: for a spot or two.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I see those three guys right now. For me,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: it's it's it's Osbourne, Rager and Thornton as like the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: last three for two spots.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: And I just I think I think everything's new. When
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: you're making those decisions, do you ask the.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: Quarterback set and may like who do probably kind of
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: get inut?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah, I think that you know, with the OZ.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: That's dangerous probably a little bit, especially for Drake because
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: like he's probably gonna favor the young guys, you know,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: like you know, I like the rookies, like the guys
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: I've been here with me since May. But I think
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: that the kJ Osborne to me, is probably gonna make
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: the team. And you gotta have some experience in that
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: room if you go all young and it's really just
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne, that's the one veteran. And early on in
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: the season, as much as we all want to see
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Polkin Baker, there's a chance that they might roll you know,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: Born if he's healthy, Osborne pop, you know, and ease
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: the rookies into it a little bit more so, I
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: say him and right now Taekwon. I think Taekwan has
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: been been better, But it depends on how much they
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: put stock into the return game, like if they feel
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: like Rager's return ability is more important than than it
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: could be.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: Same.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: It's just interested in Booty and Rager because I mix
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: them up a lot, just you know, when you quick
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: glance and that Booty Rager they look kind of similar
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: to me. They play both on the outside. I think
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: they both you know, had a couple of moments, but
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: they just they seem to be getting a lot of reps.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: That's you know that they're getting a long look at
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: both of those guys. I just I think guys like
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: Booty though, need to make some plays here coming up
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: over the next couple of weeks.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's see. Corey writes in he says, do you
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: guys see match On signing a multi million dollar contract
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: with the team when it's all said and done.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: No, I mean I think I mean one year. I
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: mean I think give them a sweetener this year. I
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: think that's a great question though. I mean it's did
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: they go into next year. I mean, I think we're
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: all in the mind of, like, pay him this year
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: and then next year you move on. I don't really
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: want to do the void years and all that stuff.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: I don't see a multi million dollar multi year extension
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: where it makes Matthew Judah on a Patriot for four
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: I don't see that. It's one or two years.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's yeah, And I don't mind the void
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: year stuff. I just don't think they'll do it. I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: don't think they need to do it. I think he
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: just needs more money for this year.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather tack on real years to it. That
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: gives you team control to maybe trade him at some point.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: What if that's the sticking point, What if he wants
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: a little longer term security.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: I'd probably sign him for one more year, like if
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: they want to do yeah, just to have that control
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: where you know, trade deadline, offseason whatever. If they do
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: want to then look to move him, then they have
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: some term with him to be able to take right yea, yeah,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Jasper and Maine.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: First off, just want to thank Paul for helping me
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: become a better person.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: That's starting to get.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: So my silly off season question is who do you
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: think of the roster or former player as well? Is
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: the best example of nominative determinism? That is, who has
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: a name that sounds perfect for the position they play?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: For example, High Tower had a perfect linebacker name.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: So who's my quick wide receiver, right, Rodney Harrison. I
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: don't know if there's an example of that perfect name anybody.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: This guy must be a running.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 8: Back or what.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: I kind of feel like Vince will fork because like
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: a forklift and like he was, you know, this big,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: gigantic guy in the middle of the defense. I always
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: felt like Will Fork like was fitting that he was
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: a big, strong dude. But I don't have a great
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: one for that.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: John Hannah, you know you spell the same way frontwards
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: as backwards and just solid player.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: It's a palindrome, Hannah.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: It's a palindrome that made him good.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know who else, how many other players in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: the league of palindromes, Paul.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: If your speed, if you made the Colts like nowadays,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: like if you if you're a quarterback that has a
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: lot of swagger and your name is Joe, that makes
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: sense name if Joe Burrow, you know that's a that's
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: a cool quarterback name.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Put in Joe Burrow and Joe Montana conversation.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: What the hatred of Joe Burrow is?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: Just it's the eminem it oozes.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Like maybe, you know, maybe maybe do something before we crown,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: just saying.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: But no one else comes to mind.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: No for this team.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for this team, I don't know.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: We don't have any.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: The coolest name on the roster of still Chambers Steel
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Chambers definitely.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: I he's gonna make the team.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Cold Strange, that's pretty name. But do you think col
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: Strange has any chance again this job that, yes, but
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: it's if he was healthy. Yeah, just coming up like
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: he's he's gonna be for a while. He's gonna come
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: mid season and you think.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: Like it might be a lost year for him from
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: a physical standpoint, But yeah, I think he'd have every opportunity.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: To I think there's a chance that if he came
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: back and was that full strength, that on when it
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: would go to right tackle and I guess maybe that
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: that would create that. But I feel pretty good about
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: City David Andrews and on the inside, and I almost
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: don't want to mess with it. And I don't know,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know where col Strange would fit in. But
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: if they just wanted to get him back on the
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: field because they used the first round pick on him
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago and that whole thing, I
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: would assume that would be the configuration to make it work.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: You're not going to put any of those guys on
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: the bench unless they're not playing. You know, Citi's not
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: playing well, which I don't think is going to happen.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: His offensive line like one of the hardest positions to
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: decide that in season though, where you don't really have
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: like real live competition to evaluate guys, like you don't
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: mean to evaluate guard plays solely off of in season practices.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: Just you'd have to be like, this is a guy
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: that we're putting him back in, Like it's one of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: the obvious.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: When Logan Mankins held out that year and he missed
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: the first nine games, I mean, he didn't miss a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: snap when he was eligible to return. Remember when he
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: came back, immediately went in the lineup. Yeah, but that's
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you cold strangers Logan Mankins Like.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: Well, it's just because cold strange doesn't really have great size,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: you know. I mean, he certainly moves like pretty well,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: and he's an athletic guy, but.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: You know, just he might be a better fit than practice.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe Rob's in South Carolina, he's on the ace ticket
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: hut line. What's up? Rob?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 8: Me?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 12: Everybody?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 8: How what were you doing?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 8: Good?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 15: Paul, it's just kind of for you, So not trying
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 15: to start an argument. Just want to understand. I don't
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 15: think i've heard you explain why you'd rather address quarterback
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 15: first and then the rest of the roster, Because personally,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 15: I thought May was a mistake this year. I thought
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 15: they should have gone tackle at receiver and then gone
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 15: for quarterbacks later. Why do you think the opposite is true?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: And I'll I got off here, thank you, Okay, Yeah,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: I mean it's certainly to each his own. It's I
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily think like you need to get the quarterback first.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not anti get the quarterback first. A lot of
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: people are. They don't think, you know, there was an
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: argument to be made throughout this pre draft process this
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: year that they don't have the roster to support a
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: young quarterback. So don't waste your time if you don't
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: think Drake may Is is good enough for the third
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: overall pick, by all means take a wide receiver, take
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: a tackle. If you do think he's good enough for
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: the third overall pick, I think you need to take
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: the quarterback. I felt may was good enough. But if
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: if Elliott Wolf didn't think he was good enough, then
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: he made a mistake, right right, Like, I don't think
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: it's because of philosophy.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Like the pick and he's going to be good.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: I think quarterback is so hard, and this is why
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: I don't like the idea of just blanket statement he
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: needs to sit for a year. Maybe, Like I think
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: you need to play to find out if you can play,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: find out how you develop, how long it's going to take,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: and figure out what you need to do around him
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: and suit his skill set as opposed to we're going
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: to take a tackle with a third overall pick. Okay,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: so now we have Joe Thomas in place, and who
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: knows what we're going to be in position to get.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe next year you have another top five pick,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: but there's no quarterback worth taking in the top five, right,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: That's what's going to happen.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, with three years out
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: from this rebuilding process, and we still don't have a quarterback, right,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: And that's sort of why it's to me, it's all
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: dependent on the players available. What was the other Kenny
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: Pickett was twenty two?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: Twenty two?
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: If there was that year, I would have been right
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: on board with the caller. I would have said, take
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison, take take Joe Walt.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: Especially Paul like some of the I think you did
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: your study there of just the quarterbacks that get taken
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: in the top five, and if you have a chance
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: in a year where there are three quarterback worthy of
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: the top three picks, that you kind of have to
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: take it. And I go back to watching the Giants
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: and hard to you could see how much they were like, yeah,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: we're gonna kind of give Daniel Jones another chance, but
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: if we could get to Drake May, we'd probably just
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: go get him rather than taking neighbors, right.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: And I like, again, if it was a year like
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: twenty two, when they weren't really first round quarterback values,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: I would never say, like you got to take a
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: quarterack because you got get the quarterback first. I would say,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: you know, find the best player and take him, and
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: then you got to keep you keep hoping.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: That's the hardest thing.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they had a guy that was
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: worth the pick, but see maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: But then you look at twenty twenty one and it
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: feels like that's the hardest possible scenario for you to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: be in terms of making this decision, because you had
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: a guy in mac Jones that was he dynamic and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: like third first round talent dripping all of not really,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: but he was the fifth guy and that was where
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: they were and that was who they kind of needed,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: and that's what you know, and so it's it's hard
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: to say no.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: One Paul say you always have to take the quarterback.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: I would rather have the quarterback first.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: I have said that, Well, if the quarterback's there, you
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: take it right, right.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: And that's why I would say it. But like again,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't just say take Jake Locker because you've got
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: to have a quarterback first, right, you know. I think
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: Drake May was worth that selection. Yeah, And it's about evaluation.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: I also think your point about looking into future drafts,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: and I know the argument against it is always like
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: Jadeen Daniels, like he comes out of nowhere, But if
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: you look at next year's quarterback class, you'd be lucky
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: to have one prospect that's as good as Caleb Jaden
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Daniels and Drake May were as prospects in this class.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: And that's one quarterback at the very very tippy top
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: that every team that needs a quarterback is.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Going to want.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those situations where you also have
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: to look at the market and sort of what's going
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: to be available to you. I guess the only like
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: counter to that would be if they had gone into
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five and traded the pick for a veteran
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: you know, like I guess you could do it that way,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: but you know, I when the quarterback's there, that's just
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: business like you do. You don't mess around and start
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: taking tackles or trading down.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Sweet kid writes in, fred I just wanted to say
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: I wanted you to know that I love you. That
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Hannah reference made no sense, but you looked at Paul
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: directly with that nonsense come out anyway.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: It was beautiful.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: Palindrome.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: It's a palindrome. It's a good player.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: Remember the first time I heard race Car was a palindrome,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: blew my mind.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, race Car.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's good one.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Dorian writes in was watching Colin today, I
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: assume he meets Colin Coward and the headline was Patriots
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: are worried about quarterback room. Has Drake been that bad
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: to me? I'm thinking two practices and the sports media,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: already deeming Patriots an offensive disaster confirms they couldn't wait
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: for us to be bad post dynasty. They loved dumping
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: on us Patriots versus the world.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: Oh it was seven practices, but still the point.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily know if it's all that, But Patriots
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: worried about quarterback room. Sounds like it's coming from inside
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: the building.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: The call is coming from inside the house.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: And nobody inside the building. There's not been a report
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: from anybody saying somebody a source is telling me that
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: they're worried about where Drake May is at. It's it's
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: us and the know it all ten and Ramp that
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: are telling you that he's that he's had some difficult practices.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: And so when he says the Patriots are worried, that's
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: very misleading from Colin Coward. It is the Patriots are
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: not worried about anything. We might be worried because that's
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: what we do, right right, I'm worried.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, maybe he watches the show. All right,
• 1:50:42
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• 1:50:45
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