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Cardinals sign Dustin May, Mariners and Giants linked to Brendan Donovan · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: When you see those birds, you know it's time for
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: another edition of Cardinal Territory. Jim Hay is alongside Lance
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Lynn and Kyle Gibson. A lot to get to on
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: this edition. But Kyle, if you don't mind, Lance had
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: a problem traveling, and I'd like to get the story
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: because there was bad weather in New York and he
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: had to spend a lot of time at the airport.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: And because I care not just about the show, what
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: about you two and met holidays individuals. I would like
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: to hear Lance's story.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: Oh you know, it's a lovely, beautiful New York snow day.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: You know, you wake up on Sunday morning, You're like, man,
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: we've got an early flight. We had a beautiful you know,
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: we got to see the rockets. Mama Mia, the kids
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: loved it. Wife loved it. Everybody's happy. Snowing. It's knowing
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: so bad. How you can't even see city Field from LaGuardia,
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: That's how bad it is. You know you came and
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: see it across there. So yeah, so we sat there
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: from we sat there from six am to five pm,
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: just hoping our fight didn't get canceled because there was
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: probably half the flights got canceled that morning, and they
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: just kept pushing back. I saw, I saw Jeff Mathis
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: of all people in the airport with his family. They
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: did the same. Yeah, it was you know, it was
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: just like a little reunion in the airport.
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But you know we were salomon it in the sky club,
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  Speaker 2: so we weren't hurting by any means.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, so so buts I got to go
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: to the sky club, got it naturally.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, if you want to see former teammates
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  Speaker 2: in or in New York Airport LaGuardia, it's going to
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: be in the sky Club or you or you're not
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: going to see it. So yeah, so just a good
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: old fashioned sky club day, you know, tough, tough tickets
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  Speaker 2: for the kids. Uh, you know, they had to travel tough.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: So the only thing would have been better is if
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: we went privately. I don't think we would have got
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  Speaker 2: out of either. So part of the gig this time
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: of year in New York, you know that you got
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: to deal with the weather.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Kyle Ky Club membership.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, Jim, I think Lan's going to have answered
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  Speaker 3: that right off the rip. We don't have that clear.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: Hey, if he did as a bragg because I know that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about clear and tsa pre check, you know,
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  Speaker 3: last time. So I think Jim is that's kind of
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: where we're at. You know, you're in the sky club.
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: I'm in Clear, Jim is going to be in Clear.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's we're in three different three different areas there.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: No question about it. Well, the Cardinals did make a move.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: They signed Dustin May to a one year free agent contract.
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: Twenty eight year old right hander seven and eleven last
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: year between the Dodgers and the Red Sox. You're eight
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  Speaker 1: four point nine to six on the positive side over
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty two innings pitch, which is a
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: major high for him. Electric stuff earlier in his career,
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: no question about that. But the problem has been injuries,
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: he said Tommy John. Then he had the extra Tommy
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  Speaker 1: John to fix the earlier Tommy John. He said, forearm.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: He had an esophagus tear that cost him a lot
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: of time after he choked on a piece of lettuce.
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  Speaker 1: So the talent is there. My opinion is this is
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: a no brainer. It's a low risk, one year deal,
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: high reward because this guy at his best is really
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  Speaker 1: really good. And he appears to be healthy now. So Kyle,
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: you're nodding, I'm gonna start with you. How do you
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: look at this move?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I like it a lot. I think he's a
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  Speaker 3: guy that, like you said, has the upside with that
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  Speaker 3: electric stuff. I think he can end up being somebody
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  Speaker 3: that is a game changer for the rotation if he
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  Speaker 3: has another full season. I haven't looked at his outliers
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  Speaker 3: and kind of the advanced numbers to see, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe what that fIF is. Maybe he had a couple
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: outings in that one hundred and thirty innings that you know,
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  Speaker 3: inflated that era a little bit, but nearly a strikeout. Parenting,
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  Speaker 3: He's got some funk to his delivery, throws hard, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember the most recent injury here last
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  Speaker 3: year was that his first full season off of that
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  Speaker 3: most recent tom of John. So I think that the
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  Speaker 3: farther you get away from that, I think the better
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: For him in there, too, Lance, what are your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Like positive? Kyle said, you're looking at young with good stuff,
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  Speaker 2: low risk because the one year you know he's got
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: a you know, high spin sweeper, you know, great sinker,
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  Speaker 2: the strikeouts are there could even be more with this
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  Speaker 2: stuff he has. That's something for Dusty to play with.
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  Speaker 2: And uh so here's the here's the negative. I think
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  Speaker 2: that you look at it, it's like, man, he threw
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty two innings and that's the most ever.
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: But as as Kyle was talking about, you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: his probably is really a second full year of actually
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: pitching away from the last Tommy John. I think that's
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: when you kind of hit your stride. You look at
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: the age. The age is in a good spot. He's
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: trending in the direction of Hey, you know, if it's
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty innings now it's one hundred and fifty,
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  Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and sixty. And the note that I
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: had on him and from get go, I gotta spend
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: a little time with him in LA when he was
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  Speaker 2: dealing with all the injuries. He's a great guy. Everybody
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: loves him, and he comes from a World Series pedigree, really,
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: and you're looking at a rotation that needs somebody that
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: has been in situations done it. Obviously, he's you know,
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  Speaker 2: could have been in more with health, but you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at a guy who's been in a championship organization, has
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: been taught how to do a lot of different things.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: When it comes to pitching, the way that the Dodgers
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: teach pitching could be really huge for some of these
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  Speaker 2: younger pitchers. I mean, heck younger that he's only like
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: two years older than all these guys because he's only
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. But his ability to maybe community
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: with those guys and stuff like that, it's going to
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: be huge for a young group trying to establish themselves.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: And he's still trying to establish himself, but he's still
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: still had success, especially in the playoffs and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: and has a couple of world serious strings to show
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  Speaker 2: for it being a part of a good organization in
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  Speaker 2: La So I think all in all, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a good a good spot for him.
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: He's a ginger, I want to point that out. And
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  Speaker 1: also kind of when there's a guy who was like
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: considered like the future for the Dodgers, right, and then
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: the injuries you know, getting away, and then there's one
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  Speaker 1: then there's something inside each professional athlete, especially a guy
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  Speaker 1: is lance point that has performed at a high level,
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  Speaker 1: there's that hunger to get back there isn't there.
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think injuries are something that easily
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: eat it's at you as is I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: poor performance. You know, I think, yeah, he's gonna want
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: to go out there and and at least to himself,
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: even say, man, another full season, I know I can
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: pitch even better. I know I can feel even better
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: going to a great city, to live in a great ballpark,
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  Speaker 3: to pitch in a team that you know he probably
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: has the ability to, you know, like Lance said, and
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: be that veteran, be the guy that you know, kind
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: of leads a pitching staff maybe for the first time ever,
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  Speaker 3: which I know for me that was pretty exciting. That
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  Speaker 3: was an interesting, uh dynamic. When I got you know,
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: signed with Baltimore in twenty twenty three, was figuring out
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: all right, now I can kind of put into work
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  Speaker 3: here what Lance has ingrained him in the last three
• 7:33
  Speaker 3: years of being with him. So hopefully he enjoys that.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully that's something that you know, he can run with,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I think he's really gonna like it
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, and I think this is what we've
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: talked about the last couple of shows here. I feel
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: like is find these guys that have the ability to
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: make your players better as they get better and as
• 7:51
  Speaker 3: you feel like you can help them. And then if
• 7:54
  Speaker 3: you end up being a playoff team, which I think
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: they can, you keep him and you go the full year,
• 7:59
  Speaker 3: and now you're like, man, he just got lightning in
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: a bottle. If he throws really well and the team struggles,
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: he's a guy that you can trade away. And I'm
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: sure that's gonna be part of the understanding going into this.
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  Speaker 1: And either way, it's a one year deal, which is
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: really a no brainer. And Lance, looked back on your
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: own career, I think twenty eight is like the ideal
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  Speaker 1: age for a pitcher, especially if he can put those
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: injuries in the rear view mirror.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, he was brought up in
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: an organization. He knows how to pitch, and he's when
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  Speaker 2: he's been on the field, he's been really good before injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Last year was your Like, people don't realize that first
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: like full year of getting back the ins and outs
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  Speaker 2: of how your elbow feels and the things you have
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  Speaker 2: to deal with because he hadn't pitched in what two
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: years at that point give or take. You know, he's
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: had some spots here there where he's been healthy, but
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't had time to really get his feet under him.
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  Speaker 2: He had to go through some ups and downs last year.
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have Indians and you're gonna have days when
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: you just don't have stuff because you haven't been able
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: to navigate a season. It's a similar thing that we're
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: talking about Libby. Last year it was his first full
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: season doing it right. This has been his first full
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  Speaker 2: season in a long time doing it. You have to
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  Speaker 2: relearn who you are, and I think he still knows
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  Speaker 2: he's got this stuff to do it. Now that confidence
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  Speaker 2: is going to come because he was able to put
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  Speaker 2: those Indians under his belt, and then he's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: able to throw on top of the things that he
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: was able to learn from the Kershaws of the world
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  Speaker 2: and the Dodgers of the world to be able to
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  Speaker 2: not only pass those along but really start putting into
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  Speaker 2: his game and said of hey, I just need to
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: figure out how to make my next start. Now it's
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: how can I get better from my last one? Because
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  Speaker 2: I know how to get ready for my next one.
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned Libby, who should be at the front
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  Speaker 1: of the cardinal rotation. I just wrote down some names.
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  Speaker 1: McGreevy may maybe Richard fitz is in there, Lay who
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  Speaker 1: I think is definite, and Ollie Marmel really high on
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  Speaker 1: Lay the starter. I think that'll pan out. You got Polante,
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: you got Quinn Matthews, maybe hence so Kyle. As it
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: sits now, and obviously there could be pieces added, how
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: do you look at the rotation? Who do you think
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: in the starting five in.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: That group go need one more? They need one more,
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: need two more, maybe three. I get one for sure,
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: I get one for sure, and it's a guy that
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: might have a little bit more. I know I'm gonna
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: get twenty five to thirty and one hundred and forty
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: to one hundred and sixty out of you.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, probably a move to be made. But as
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: it sits right now, of the names I mentioned with
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: the asterisk that there could be another one, how do
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: you see the rotation for the first five, Because I'll
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: put the stipulation on there. You could go in with
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: six seven starters during spring training and say, okay, we
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: have pieces to back us up, and in most years
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: it's never enough. But as it sits now, how do
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: you see it either one of you guys.
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: I see it as early in the season, you have
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: quite a few off days built in, so a six
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  Speaker 3: man rotation probably doesn't make sense. What I see early though,
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: especially with young guys, is maybe the ability everybody goes
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: that first couple starts and you're kind of limited pitches
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  Speaker 3: just because maybe you're in cold weather. Maybe you know
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: you didn't get quite to one hundred pitches in spring training,
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: so they want to make sure they're building up that
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  Speaker 3: endurance still. So I can kind of see a situation where,
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: especially with these young guys and guys that you want
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: to get experienced, Let's figure out which two or three
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: of these guys match up to go on the same day,
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: spread them out a couple of days, and you're not
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: doing a bullpen day, but you've got well, just I'm
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: gonna throw Quinn, Matthews and kink Kins out there. Those
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: two guys are going Game four, right, So it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be after an off day. You know your bullpen
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: is gonna hopefully get a little bit of a break.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not wear the bullpen out, give them two days off. Piggyback.
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  Speaker 3: You know, destiny doesn't need to be a piggyback. He's
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  Speaker 3: full go. But if you don't, don't sign another guy
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: that can get you the one forty or one sixty.
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  Speaker 3: And I know Lance has a guy in mine probably
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: who could sign. If you don't get that guy, then
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  Speaker 3: I think you go with six or seven of them.
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  Speaker 3: Probably saves you from maybe needing to add a bullpen
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  Speaker 3: arm and you say, hey, we're gonna protect you guys,
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  Speaker 3: but we want you to get major league experienced right now.
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: And we think that you know, you can uh speed
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  Speaker 3: up development if you're getting big lead hitters out matching
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: a guy with lehi, I think is smarter. He's throwing
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: what maybe one hundred innings in his big league career,
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: Like you get just thrown out the five days. He's
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: not going to go one hundred and fifteen hundred and
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: sixty innings. So either I think you go with a
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  Speaker 3: six man later on, or you just start with seven
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: of these guys up here and you piggyback them and
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: let him get as many innings as possible.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Give us the name Lance.
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  Speaker 2: The first thing that pops in my mind is is Gilda.
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  Speaker 2: I think that he's in a proven phase of his career,
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  Speaker 2: and I say this because I know him personally and
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: I know how he is in the game. He's very
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: sunny gray like in his ability to speak pitching, help pitching,
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: but he also posts him and he also knows the
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: you know, his ability to do the homework and all
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: these things that some of these young guys are going
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: to have to learn not only on their own but
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: through a coach. But it's easier to learn it from
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: a guy who's done it and done it at a
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: high level. And I think Gildo has the ability to
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: speak the language that's needed for some of these young
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  Speaker 2: guys to take on these roles that they're going to
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: be given. And he you know, and he's had to
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: do it through that his time in UH Chicago before
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  Speaker 2: I got there, and he had to learn a lot
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: of these things on his own, and then you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was able to keep year by year building and
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: that's what these guys are trying to do at the
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: big bigue level. As Kyle was saying, is Hey, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if we have three to four guys that are there,
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  Speaker 2: and then we have four guys that we can say, hey,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: you're going five and you're finishing it today, and we're
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: we're like that's kind of our thought process, because if
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: you get multiple innings under your belt, two to three
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: at a time, that's going to not only build confidence,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna get you exposed as much, but it's
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: also going to give you a chance to actually work
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: through some things. You can go anybody can go out
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: there and get three outs with two pitches and good
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: stuff when they've never seen you, and they've got guys
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  Speaker 2: that can do that. But how are we gonna get
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: through the lineup one time? Okay, we figured out how
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: to do that, and now we're gonna get through the
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: liamp this second time? And how are we going to
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: manage ups and downs and multiple innings and these guys
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  Speaker 2: seeing us more And we're gonna have to be able
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: to change on the fly. And that comes with being
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: able to do it having guys around that can teach
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: you to do it too.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Intriguing stuff, you know. The name Brendan Donovan has drawn
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: interest from pretty much every team around Major League Baseball now,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: at least according to reports, two teams have emerged as
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: the front runner to trade for Brendan Donovan. We'll look
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: at that when we come back from break. You are
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: watching Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: bar a few dollars because I can't get into sky
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  Speaker 1: Club and I don't even have clear yet. Before the break,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I was mentioning Brendan Donovan. Everybody likes Brendan Donovan. No
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: one wants to see Brendan Donovan traded, but him is
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: doing a reset which made you have to part with pieces.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: You're probably not happy to do so, but you want
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: prospects in return. And according to a report in The Athletic,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the front runners now for the services of Brendan Donovan
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: or the Mariners and the Giants. Both teams have plenty
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of prospects that they could possibly deal. Kyle, is there
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: a better fit in your in your view for Brendan Donovant?
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Saint Louis utility players. So I don't want to
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: see him go anywhere. I mean, if I'm being if
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I'm saying this selfishly with my pitching coach and amazing
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: baseball mentor Tony Vitello at the Helm in San Francisco,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Sure go to San Francisco because Brendan Donovan is a
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Tony Vytello player. He is gonna love that guy, But
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the best fit is the Cardinals. That's that's just where
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Lance, No, I'm in a totally agreeance.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I hear a reset, right, you hear the reset saying
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: this guy is not like he's over thirty years old
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and you know, on the wrong side of thirty as
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: they call it. So like, in my opinion, he's a
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: guy that hey, he's part of the now and the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: after the reset, like he's this we're doing a year
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: reset and then we've got Donovan for another three after
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that because I'm giving him a four or five year deal.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: But if you're gonna sit here and say, hey, which
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: one do you like? Mark? Does he fit in San
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: fran Yes, he fits anywhere. That's the best part about
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it because that's why he's a good player and everybody
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: wants him. Here's my thing is, if you're going to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: get him, you better get something worthwhile for him. And
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be three double A players that
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: might not ever make it. If I'm trading him away,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I need Bryce Miller or somebody like that from from
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Seattle that I know I can plug and play as
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: my I've got May Miller, Libby All of a sudden.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Now I can summach it if that makes sense. But
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: if I'm not, if I'm getting a this guy was
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: in Double A, this guy was in Double A, this
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: guy is in high A, Hi A, and they're all
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: top twenty prospects. Who cares? That doesn't That doesn't make
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: my team better. It doesn't make my It doesn't make
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make anyone better on the Cardinals because it
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't make who any of the guys that are there
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: right now. It doesn't make them better when they come
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: up by losing Donnie. Donnie's a guy that you say, hey,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: he's the in my opinion, he's the next Matt Carpenter. Hey,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: here's five year deal. You're our guy, and it's going
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to be you. Mason. I even like Newt in that
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: in that situation, and then JJ Weatherhaak can kind of
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: come as he goes with it too. That's my opinion.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: But if you're trading, you better get you better get
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a guy that's big league ready and that you can say,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: here's what we got for him, and he's worth you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the upsides really high.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I was looking at some of the prospects that both
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: teams have and to be honest, you can see a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: clip here and there, but it's hard to judge lance.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: As you point out, when you're dealing with guys at
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the low levels of the miners, it's still a crapshoot,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: even if they project out to be good Major leaguers.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: But one guy that I found interesting. The Mariners have
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a prospect twenty two year old Jerangelo Sindja, who was
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a switch pitcher, I mean legitimately a switch pitcher, Kyle,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you ever heard of that before?
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? Pat Van Diddi Creighton Blue Jays played against him
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: in college, and I think he actually made it to
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the big leagues. He either made it to the Biggers
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: or made a higher pay pro ball.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Uh I think for a minute.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, You see a six finger glove out there,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: and you're like, is that is that regulation size? What's
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: going on out there?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it was interesting.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know much about him, Jim, but I if
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I had to pick between the two, obviously I'm taking
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: a guy that I know is going to be a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: staple with controllable big league experience. I look at what
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the Angels and the Orioles do with Grayson Rodriguez and
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Taylor Ward, and I'm saying, you tell me who's a
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: more valuable player over the next you know, however, many
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: years of control, either Taylor Word or Brendan Donovan. And
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I think everybody's taking Brendan Donovan. So get me a
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: guy like that that you know makes the other side
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of the trade comparable, you know, on the pitching side,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: that's where I'm That's where I'm looking at. But sure,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: does the switch pitcher start or is.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: He a reliever?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: What do we got here, Jim?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Prospect?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: He switched, so maybe there's an upside to him being
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a two way switch it at both positions. I didn't
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: do that deep a dive. I just found that interesting.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But Lance, there is something to be said for if
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you're doing a reset right, and as him has pointed out,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they want to be competitive and look toward the present.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Give the fans some to be excited about. But the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: best way to do that, because the biggest currency in
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball is a controllable talent. Is stockpiling controllable
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: talent and building from there. You understand that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand what the concept is, but isn't that
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: what we've been doing since the trade deadline last year.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: How many high AAA guys do we need to get
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to stockpile the farm system Now. I need to see
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: something that we're getting back ready for big league players,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: especially for guys who are not on expiring contracts or
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: not over the age of thirty. Then you're looking at, hey, okay,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: you should be able to get multiple big league ready
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: players that should be on your opening A roster next year.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: For a guy like Donovan, a guy like new those
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: guys should be big league ready players that should impact
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: your team next year for losing a guy like that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I understand the prospects, but we got
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: four low A guys in the last two trades that
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: we might not ever see right, So it's time to
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: start getting guys that we know kind of who they are.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Instead of oh, well he could be this, he could
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: be that. Well, it's like, no, you're getting rid of
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a All Star. You're getting rid of you know, a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you know, floor in New that is a very good
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: or a good major league player could be a printing
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: All Star of health and some things go better his way,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and then next thing, you know, hey, I want to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: see what I'm getting back now, because that's if they're
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: in double A or if they're in triple A, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: know what you're getting. If they got a cup of coffee,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you've got a good idea, you've got a book on them.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: But these high A guys and stuff like that, you
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: have no idea what they're going to be. And I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: think it's risky as much as it's, oh, you need
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: all these prospects, it's very risky to get a bunch
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of loway hey guys, because you really don't know who
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: how they're even going to mature enough to even handle,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you know, being a major leaguer, because you don't even
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: know what they're what they're like mentally.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yet quite well taken. One of the little news tidbits
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: could tell Marte has a no trade, but he has
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: some teams he's willing to accept the trade. The Cardinals
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: are on that list. Wilson Contreras has a no trade.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Supposedly he's willing to discuss possible trade locations. We've already
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: done that. So I'm gonna ask you, guys, you're a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: major leaguer, Kyle with a no trade, what do you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: think some of the things you're looking at in terms
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of what would be a good landing spot for me
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and my family.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you're looking, if you're looking family wise,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: then you know you're calling around, talking to people that
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: you know around the league and see and that's somewhere
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: you want to live seeing if it's you know, probably
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: not asking about the family and probably not asking about
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: stuff off the field as much for that, but you're
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: trying to look at it a little bit as a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: free agent saying, Okay, what part of the country don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: don't I want to go to? What type of what
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: type of market do I not want to go to?
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Hitting wise, if you're a hitter, what kind of field
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: do you not want to play on?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Do you want to play on? Maybe he's looking at
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: opportunity to play, doesn't want to switch positions. I think
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: there's probably a lot that goes into that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: How about you, Lance, And this is our last thing,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: lance Lynn has a note trade, but they want to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: trade them. What are you looking at, Lance?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I have I have fortunately lifted a no trade
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: in my in my in my day. So you look
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: at a lot of different variables. It starts with putting
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the list together, right. My note trade was full of
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: teams that I thought would trade for me, so I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: can control things, maybe even a new contract. Like there
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: was more said than that, I didn't put teams that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on there were bad because I didn't plan on pitching,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and bad enough to where I would get traded to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: those teams. And I was making too much money for
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: those teams to even take me. So my thought was,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna put all the teams on there
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that I know that we'll be looking to add a
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: veteran starter and aren't afraid of the money, and then
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I can control the market on where I'm going to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: go and what I can do. And that was my
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: mindset and the no trade, and then I lifted it
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to LA. There's I would say, most every team on
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: my no trade a year I left Chicago I would
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: have went to So it was one of those things
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: where I had a ten team no trade, but I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: picked at ten teams that I thought were going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: be in the playoffs so I can control where I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: was going to go. I wasn't worried about the pirates.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I was not playing, and everyone's like, oh, what if
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you would have got traded somewhere you didn't want to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: go that wasn't in the playoffs. I was simple. Kyle's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: heard this before. I'll just take my ass home if
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go there, I'm not worried about
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: you always have a no trade jam if you don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: give a damn what people think.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, that is awesome. That's gonna do it for this.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I was there. I was there when I pulled. I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: had a no trade in Texas without a no trade, So.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: You don't need a no trade to have a no trade.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Will never I will never forget those conversations like, well,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: what if you go here? It's like, I'm not going there.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: What do you mean go there? I don't have no trade.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I've got a no trade. Everyone's gonna what Yeah? And
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I used that. I used that no trade with no
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: trade in Texas is great.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you also got to be sitting on a nice
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: bag as the kids saying, no, you like that, Kyle?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Because trade.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: In the show one bag, We'll get you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 26:50
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• 27:02
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• 27:05
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• 27:08
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