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Zoo Documentary: The Death That Shocked America · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: His stomach was perforated by a horse, and he died.
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  Speaker 2: Under the dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, under the docks, very famerly breaking the looks funny.
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  Speaker 4: Could they arise all the shots they the dogs under
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  Speaker 4: the docks, under the docks, Yeah, under the docks, under
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  Speaker 4: the dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Ohoy ladies.
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  Speaker 5: We're back for the last installment of Pride Month. This
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  Speaker 5: one was called Zoo, a two thousand and seven film
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  Speaker 5: directed by Robinson Devour and then narrated by pretty much
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  Speaker 5: people and friends involved in the situation.
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  Speaker 2: This is a very very interesting one. Not this will
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  Speaker 2: not be for everybody.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a film that you can just get through
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  Speaker 5: just reading the premise of it.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, a man dies.
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  Speaker 5: From having some sexual interests with a horse, and.
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  Speaker 1: You can that one out. Then I can see you trying
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  Speaker 1: to dance around, but like you just went right for it.
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  Speaker 5: I figured mine as well because I was trying to
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  Speaker 5: find a nice way to say it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, that's crit like his stomach was perforated
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  Speaker 1: by a horror and he died.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of give you a foreshadow of what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And also I feel like a strong disclaimer here. You
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  Speaker 1: said this as part of the Pride Month videos. I
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  Speaker 1: think that, like when we were looking at the Pride
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  Speaker 1: Month documentaries, this one came up in the suggestions. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say this is Pride Month. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: the Zoo Felia gets included in Pride Months, so like
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  Speaker 1: maybe we just keep them separate. But that's yeah whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Plotting the Course, Zoo investigates the athermath of a two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and five incidents in out Claw, Washington, where Kenneth Pinya,
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  Speaker 5: a Boeing engineer, died after internal injuries sustained during sexual
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  Speaker 5: performance with a horse. Right, So that's where it starts
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  Speaker 5: off at, and then it's kind of interesting. This film
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  Speaker 5: is a little bit different. It's kind of really there's
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  Speaker 5: a few segments of where they're showing people. For the
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  Speaker 5: first half of it, it's just stock footage and voiceovers.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: The interviews are just vocal, like you're seeing almost reenactment
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  Speaker 5: to some of the stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 5: It has a little bit of America's Most Wanted reenactment
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  Speaker 5: with some b roll film, kind of a little clash
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  Speaker 5: of the both.
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  Speaker 2: And they're going through.
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  Speaker 5: The first half of like kind of making you feel
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  Speaker 5: for this guy, right Kenneth. They're like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 5: just hanging out, man, We're all friends. We're a small community.
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  Speaker 5: In this small community, there's not a lot to do, right,
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  Speaker 5: and when they get into some of their activities, they're
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  Speaker 5: talking about, yeah, you know, guys, bring over some meat,
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  Speaker 5: some burgers, make some food, make some.
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  Speaker 2: Margarita's, you know what I mean, and and we just
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  Speaker 2: have fun together.
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  Speaker 5: And we all really really appreciate horses right where, they're
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  Speaker 5: these majestic creatures.
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  Speaker 2: They they show you love right there.
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  Speaker 5: They paint this picture of how almost these horses are
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  Speaker 5: support uh support animals for them. Like they're like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was going through a lot. I could tell this
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  Speaker 5: horse anything. I can hug it, I can you know,
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  Speaker 5: go up to when I'm having a bad day, and
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  Speaker 5: they're like to me, the first half is just painting
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  Speaker 5: this picture of how important these horses are to them
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  Speaker 5: and their emotional support they give them.
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  Speaker 1: And they all have nicknames, right, they all have like
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  Speaker 1: weird little nicknames. And the guy that ends up dying
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  Speaker 1: his nickname is mister Hands. I just thought that that
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  Speaker 1: was it, like a South Park thing, was not as
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  Speaker 1: their garrison's little puppet was mister Hands.
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  Speaker 5: That, yeah, that was an interesting little tidbit. Like and
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  Speaker 5: to me, if you're making these nicknames up and you're
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  Speaker 5: you're kind of know, you're doing something that maybe is risky, right,
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  Speaker 5: is taboo is something that maybe not everybody would kind
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  Speaker 5: of understand. And that's where they're trying to It's like
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  Speaker 5: they're trying to give you some understanding of some context, Like, dude,
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  Speaker 5: it's not like what It's not what you think, right,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, It's not what it seems.
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  Speaker 1: It was not what I thought. It is definitely not
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  Speaker 1: what you think. And so like when it starts out,
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  Speaker 1: they are it's very sympathetic to this community, I'll say
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  Speaker 1: a small group of friends. But they're talking about living
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere Pacific northwest coal minor town
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  Speaker 1: and that one of these guys first got the Internet
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  Speaker 1: in like two thousand and two or something, and I
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  Speaker 1: opened up this whole new world for him. And he's
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  Speaker 1: talking and they all call themselves zoo as in zoophilia,
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  Speaker 1: so like like, uh, when did you go zoo? And
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  Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know, before I even knew about
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  Speaker 1: going zoo, I just thought I would have this traditional family,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to like father, mother, nuclear family, have some kids,
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  Speaker 1: like very traditional. And then he's talking about like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all zoos are different, man. You can ask three zoos
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  Speaker 1: and you can get three different definitions. And this this
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  Speaker 1: is where all the funny little nicknames come from, because
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  Speaker 1: they're their online handles. So they start meeting up in
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  Speaker 1: these I think it's like AOL chat room. They start
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  Speaker 1: meeting each other in a well chat rooms, and they
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  Speaker 1: eventually like form a community of these zoos and then
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  Speaker 1: they start escalating a meeting up in real life. One
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  Speaker 1: of them has a farm, I guess, so they would
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  Speaker 1: all do these like meetups where they'd all go to
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  Speaker 1: a farm and the farm had horses on it, and
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  Speaker 1: I guess the premise is, you know, just a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of guys gorilla and burgers and having Margarita's and just
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  Speaker 1: doing guys stuff. But then at night they would all
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  Speaker 1: like lay down on couches and sleeping bags or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And they claim that the horse would come in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night and like select one of them.
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  Speaker 1: It would like nuzzle one of them and then lead
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  Speaker 1: them off into the stable and then have its way
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  Speaker 1: with them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like it seduced them, right, It's like no, they
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  Speaker 5: could do bro, Like I was just sleeping and it
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  Speaker 5: just like.
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  Speaker 1: The worst uh Harry Hotter hat hat selection ceremony ever.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it shows me And then they're like,
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  Speaker 5: actually I was raped right, Like it wasn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 5: do that to the horse, did it to me? Like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I consented, but I had to add no choice.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't land on Plymouth Rock. And honestly, that that
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  Speaker 1: is that is the craziest claim of this entire documentary.
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  Speaker 1: And they start harping on it. They start showing all
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  Speaker 1: the media pundits after this the death comes out and
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  Speaker 1: like it becomes a national news story. But the common
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  Speaker 1: theme is like how could this happen without animal consent?
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  Speaker 1: Like what happened here? Because when you think about this topic,
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  Speaker 1: this like zoophilia topic, you're thinking about humans doing things
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  Speaker 1: to animals right on this one, it's the opposite, Like
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  Speaker 1: the animal did a thing to a human and the
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  Speaker 1: human died over it. But the thing that happened to
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  Speaker 1: them again, like I don't want to have to spell
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  Speaker 1: it out for you, but the dude got a hole
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  Speaker 1: in his stomach because of what happened from this horse. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not the horse being forced to perforate your stomach, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like the horse did that on its own accord. So
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  Speaker 1: it brings up this deeper complex question of like does
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  Speaker 1: that count as consent? If the horse mounts you? How
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  Speaker 1: is that not consent?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's like an argument I never thought someone
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  Speaker 5: would bring up, Right, that's not what I was expecting.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, hear me out.
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  Speaker 5: And it's almost like they're they're trying to have sympathy
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  Speaker 5: for their situation, like they're like, you gotta understand, it's
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  Speaker 5: like a mutual thing, like I love the horse, the
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  Speaker 5: horse loves me. Like that's almost like the fuel they
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  Speaker 5: give of these because these guys are really into these horses.
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  Speaker 5: The only thing that they said was they were like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, as long as you're old enough to drink,
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  Speaker 5: you're all welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Right, as long as you're into the zoo, you're in
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  Speaker 2: the zoo, and you're old enough to drink, come on over,
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  Speaker 2: bro Like.
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  Speaker 5: But when he says that, I did not feel like
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  Speaker 5: age really mattered much, right, Like if you were fifteen,
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  Speaker 5: they'll be like, yeah, come on over, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 5: I think they have a wide spectrum. And this is
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  Speaker 5: for sure something I can't understand. Like I'm not like
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  Speaker 5: trying to be like, oh, yeah, I get where they're
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  Speaker 5: coming from. I'm like, this is a foreign thing. I
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  Speaker 5: didn't even know what zoophilia was before this, Like I
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  Speaker 5: thought it was all called bestiality. That's the only thing
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  Speaker 5: I knew of. And then I'm like, oh, the zoophilia.
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  Speaker 5: They're like, yeah, you a zoo like, and they're talking
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  Speaker 5: like this is a normal thing right in their community.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, no worries, bro, Like, we're all zoo.
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  Speaker 2: You're zoo, I'm zoo.
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  Speaker 5: Zoo who like we all have you know, everybody's a
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  Speaker 5: little bit attracted to animals And you're like, what, Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both because the
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  Speaker 1: way the way that they phrase it, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the different delineation between being a zoophilia and bestiality,
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  Speaker 1: but like zoophilia is phelia meaning love and zoo animal
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  Speaker 1: just the love of animals, And I guess when you
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  Speaker 1: take that love too far then it gets into the
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  Speaker 1: beast reality. But when you talk about that concept again,
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  Speaker 1: usually the premise is like a person doing something to
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  Speaker 1: an animal and not the other way around. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like this weird. I'm not here to like dissect the
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  Speaker 1: different delineations and make a judgment call here. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna say it's all bad. And the guy died from
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  Speaker 1: doing this, so it's clearly bad, and it gets a
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  Speaker 1: little bit worse. Right, So the documentary for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: is very sympathetic to this group of people, Like it
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  Speaker 1: is not judgmental or condescending or condemning in any way. It's,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, it's objective on the side of being sympathetic.
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  Speaker 1: But then they talk about after the guy dies, the
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  Speaker 1: courts come in and the courts are like, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: like we need to get these horses off of this farm.
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  Speaker 1: This cannot be happening. So they basically court order the
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  Speaker 1: horn to be removed and the lady that they hire,
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  Speaker 1: the animal rescue lady. They interview her, and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: has no idea what's going on. She knows these horses
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  Speaker 1: have to be removed. I don't think she even knows
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  Speaker 1: like why they're being removed at this point, because it's
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  Speaker 1: still going through the courts. That just that has to
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  Speaker 1: be removed. She goes there and she says, when she
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  Speaker 1: meets up with one of the guys, this is on
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  Speaker 1: her own interview, she just puts forth She's like, he
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  Speaker 1: kind of looked like a child molested type, just a
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  Speaker 1: really weird guy. Like she's just putting forth all of
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  Speaker 1: this the stats on him, and then she meant, this
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. She mentions that after they pulled the horse
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  Speaker 1: out of the stable and they're trying to load him
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  Speaker 1: up onto like the carriage to get him off the farm,
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  Speaker 1: that a little mini horse comes out of nowhere and
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  Speaker 1: it runs up to the big horse and it starts
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  Speaker 1: giving the big horse a blowjob. And she's like, this
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  Speaker 1: is I've never seen anything like this in my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: And when she said that, it was like there was
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  Speaker 1: more going on in this farm than these guys just
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  Speaker 1: admitted to in the first hour of this documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me was the bright spot.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, what the hell, bro, Like, come on, man,
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  Speaker 5: this little pony, my little pony runs up and she's
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  Speaker 5: like yeah, just runs up and gives this bigger horse
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  Speaker 5: a blowdjup, like it's like it was taught that bro.
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  Speaker 5: Like it was like it's seeing this reaction from probably
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  Speaker 5: the humans how they interacted with him. And then this
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  Speaker 5: other guy either taking the two horses and he's like
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  Speaker 5: that one's mine, and she's like, oh, I have to
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  Speaker 5: take this, you know, this is part of what I
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  Speaker 5: have to do, and you need to show me a
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  Speaker 5: bill of shale or I can't. I have to take
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  Speaker 5: both of them, and he finally does. But the way
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  Speaker 5: that he interacts because even when she describes dude, she's
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  Speaker 5: like he kind of looked like a pedophile, Like she
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  Speaker 5: says that like right off the jump, like describes him
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  Speaker 5: as like this weird guy.
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  Speaker 2: And then she's like he's trying to rasp me for
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  Speaker 2: this horse.
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  Speaker 5: As I'm trying to figure out what's going on with
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  Speaker 5: this horse, this little pony runs up and starts blowing down.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I need to get out of here. This
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  Speaker 2: is the worst girl I've ever been in.
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  Speaker 1: That wild and ultimately it doesn't go very well for
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  Speaker 1: the horse, right, the horse ends up getting castrated because
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  Speaker 1: they are so concerned that one of the random horse
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  Speaker 1: zoo guys on the internet is going to track this
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  Speaker 1: horse down and adopt it or take it. So she's like,
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  Speaker 1: the only way we can prevent this from happening is
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  Speaker 1: we have to castraight the horse so that it no
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  Speaker 1: longer has this trait that all of these guys online
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  Speaker 1: and it is all guys, by the way, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think there was a single woman in their entire club.
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  Speaker 1: It's an all guys club. So they have to cashtraight
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  Speaker 1: the horse. The horse didn't really do anything wrong man,
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  Speaker 1: the horse, and the horse ends up aside from the
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  Speaker 1: guy that dies from the perforated stomach, but the horse
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  Speaker 1: kind of gets like the raw end of this deal.
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  Speaker 5: And as this film progresses, they kind of really go
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  Speaker 5: into the end of how he was died, Like he
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  Speaker 5: had stomach paints for a while, Kenneth, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Was probably internally right, like they showed symptoms.
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  Speaker 1: That yeah, he got like internal bleeding that night and
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  Speaker 1: just didn't think it was an issue. And then by
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  Speaker 1: the time he realized on an issue, it was too late.
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  Speaker 5: And as they drop him off. He goes and dropped
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  Speaker 5: off of the hospital. It's investigated, all the FBI stuff,
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  Speaker 5: the law went once they try to like take the
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  Speaker 5: horses and stuff, but they're kind of like, what do
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  Speaker 5: we do here? Like the laws are outdated, this is
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  Speaker 5: not something that you come across, and they are like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what we do here. So the guys,
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  Speaker 5: but it does feel like they were doing something wrong
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  Speaker 5: because there's a scene where they reenact it and the
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  Speaker 5: guys like, yeah, we have all this rope and duct
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  Speaker 5: tape and everything. He's like running out of the house
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  Speaker 5: trying to hide it. So they must have felt they
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  Speaker 5: were doing something.
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  Speaker 2: Illegal, right, You're not, You're not like, yeah, this is normal, bro.
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  Speaker 5: This is what I do when you're trying to hide
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  Speaker 5: little evidence that might make you look a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say that I.
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  Speaker 5: Remember this time, like one of my friends, he's like,
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  Speaker 5: we all have these friends that are like really raunchy, right,
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  Speaker 5: especial when the internet first came out. I don't remember
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  Speaker 5: if I'm sure, you know, like people, I remember going
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  Speaker 5: to one of my friend's house in.
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  Speaker 2: High school and he was like, check out this video.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, like and it was up this alley,
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  Speaker 5: we'll say, And for me, it was like one of
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  Speaker 5: the worst experiences of my life. I'm like, why are
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  Speaker 5: you like, and I'm talking you're talking about me seeing
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  Speaker 5: a couple of seconds, right, not even like I'm just like,
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  Speaker 5: and these guys are living that, that's their dream. So
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  Speaker 5: it kind of like put in a different context for me.
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  Speaker 5: I think they knew they were doing wrong, but it
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  Speaker 5: was that taboo of like, oh, I'm gonna get caught
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  Speaker 5: because once they drop him off and he passes away
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  Speaker 5: as they like kind of show him as a victim,
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  Speaker 5: it's like poor him. He didn't and some people thought
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  Speaker 5: it was like almost like a suicide, right, that he
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: was trying to maybe off himself in a certain way,
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: which is a weird way to like off yourself, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's not the way I would tell someone to suggest
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  Speaker 5: if you're uh, not that we suggest that or anything.
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  Speaker 5: They they really started going down this hole of like
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  Speaker 5: what is zoophilia? And then this is when I started
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  Speaker 5: under like why are people acting this way? And then
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  Speaker 5: they go to the media and they're like the media
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  Speaker 5: just didn't understand, right, they were making this story something
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't and I was like, what do you mean
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  Speaker 5: they're making it. I'm not trying to defend the media.
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  Speaker 5: It's not my favorite thing to do, and it's actually
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  Speaker 5: one of my things i'm against. And in this case,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, how else do you characterize this? Like they
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  Speaker 5: were like they just didn't get it, bro they were
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  Speaker 5: taking it out of context, and I'm like, what was
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  Speaker 5: the context? And I could tell that these guys in
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  Speaker 5: the film they really believed.
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  Speaker 2: That what they were doing was not a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: They did not feel it was a crime.
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  Speaker 5: They did not feel it was inappropriate or out of place.
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  Speaker 5: It was just there being who they were being. And
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  Speaker 5: I think that's what they were trying to like come
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  Speaker 5: across with this film because they didn't like analyze some
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  Speaker 5: of the media people. They showed some media clips, but
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  Speaker 5: there's nobody from the media that you're actually here, like yeah,
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  Speaker 5: when this story came across, I was like, what the
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: hell is going on?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: And why did we cover? And this is how we
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: covered it.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: They just show you news clips and some of them
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: are like I think one's like even a Rush Limbaugh
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: where he's kind of like talking crap and they they
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: kind of to me frame it like, dude, this is
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: just the same as love is love, bro, Like you
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: know what I mean. That's how I feel like they
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: tried to frame it. They don't necessarily say that, but
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: that's what I got from it. Hidden treasures and overboard moments.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there's some hidden treasure here somewhere.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest one for me is that I
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: didn't know that there was another community out there that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: would welcome me. So that's kind of crazy. Apparently they're
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: they're falling off like flies because they can't stay alive
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: too long from the activities. But the biggest hit hidden
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: treasures for me really was that this one. It was
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: like shot like a real movie. It was shot on film,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: had this vintage kind of artsy look to it. I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: think it was damn well made, like it was a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: very It could have been about anything. It just happened
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to me about guys getting killed by horses, but it
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: could have been about anything, and it was done incredibly well.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And I really think that the sympathetic angle, it's more
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: objective than sympathetic. But like that objective sympathetic angle is
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: this interesting contrast with the content itself, because when you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: get to the content. It's hard to believe that there's
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: a documentary even about this and like what happened and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: everything that they're covering. But the fact that it's presented
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: in such a objective way with like again like artistic
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: film considerations. I think there's something that's hard to place
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: on it that just makes it all work so well.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: To me were the hidden treasures that I didn't expect,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: and it's really really a hidden treasure. There's a scene
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: where they're like going and showing like a b roll
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: of driving down and on the radio it's like talking
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: about this guy's ranting and raving about the military industrial complex.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And comes and taking over. I don't know why. It
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: just struck my cord right there.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I'm like, wait a second, Like this film is about this,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: but now I'm hearing about the military industrial complex and
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: how it's taking over.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I wonder why they added this.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: It didn't really fit the film necessarily, but it's a real,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: real hidden treasure. I'm like, well, I guess you gotta
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: get it, get it through.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Any way you can.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Man, even zoophilias know that the government sucks, right Like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I guess that's a broad, easy statement for everybody to
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: catch on to.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But I think the other part of that too was
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the emphasis that these were blue collar coal mining like
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: hard working farm men, right, they just happened to share
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a very specific interest with each other.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Very specific.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: And as far as overboard moments, I think there's quite
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: a bit.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: It's it's funny too as well.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Because it's an overboard moment you mentioned it earlier. My
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: big overwhel moment was the little pony giving them blowout
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: to the horse. Like I was like, that's a little overboard,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, I understand, so I guess
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I shouldn't give it such an overboard because I understand
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: why you put it in the film. It really emphasizes
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: what was going on there. But I'm like, I've never
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: heard of that, Like I was like, whoa, Like this
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: is kind of crazy, and you're like it made me
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: chuckle a little bit. And then I think that some
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: of the other overboard moments was just the way they
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: victimized some of the guys, Like I thought it was
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: a little bit much where they didn't really grill them.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: They're just like, dude, you know, love is love, Like
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: we're just trying to live our lives. Man, don't you
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: understand that this is part of what it is? And
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: I thought they laid it on too. Think I thought
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: they could like dissect a little bit more from the
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: rest of the people that were involved, not just the
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: people involved, but like some of the reporters, some of
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: the people around town, like some people's other perspective other
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: than the zoophilia.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And I've never heard of zoophilia.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Un tell this film, I think the overboard moments. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: first of all, just to be clear, they don't show
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the mini pony doing anything. They show a mini pony running,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: but then it's just them talking about this lady what
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: she saw when she went and picked it up. So
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: there's not like you don't see anything happen in this
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: entire documentary. But it was so revealing because that lady,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: she's an animal rescue, she works with horses her entire life.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: She's like, I've seen thousands of horses for her to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be like, I have never in my entire life seen
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a mini pony just run up, unprompted, out of nowhere,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: just out of the corner of your eye, a mini
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: pony runs up and starts doing this thing. The way
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that she described it was just like she thought it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was weird, So you know that it was weird because
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: she's probably seen weird stuff, just not to this level.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: The overboard for me is that the whole situation happened,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that it's probably still happening, that it became
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a media frenzy for fifteen minutes, got a documentary about it, Like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: just it existing, I think is the overboard.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: It's about that time sink or swim? What do you
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: got on this?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Now? I always clarify this, but like a sink doesn't
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: mean that you shouldn't watch it, and a swim doesn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: mean you should watch it. Like the criteria for me
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is will I ever forget this documentary? Will I ever
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: look at the world the same way again? Based on
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: all of those metrics? Man, this is a swim for me.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I won't ever forget this movie. I won't ever look
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: at a horse again the same way. It's not even
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like an investigative documentary. It's not like there's a mystery
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that then gets solved and there's all these twists and turns.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It's very straightforward. Guys form a group, guy dies doing
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: something crazy, then there's a documentary about it even though
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that like nothing explosive, well, something explosive I guess happens
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the one person. But like even the fact that nothing
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it gets revealed, it's still it like changed my worldview.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I won't be able to unsee this movie. And again,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it could have been about anything and it was well
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: put together. It just happened to be about this, So
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I guess this is a swim for me.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: This film is something I will never forget either. It's
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: something that will make me look a little different at
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the world in general. It taught me stuff that maybe
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: I didn't want to learn, but I did learn it,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: like I figured it out. I think it's put together
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: all right. I think it drags out a little bit
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: for me for my taste, and maybe it's just my
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: bias on the line, but I do give it a sink.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't really the film didn't resonate
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: with me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was just a topic was too much for
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: me and I went in with the negative attitude. But
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: it for sure is something you'll never forget and it
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: is something that is not great for me, but I
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: would probably still suggest it. There's a movie called a
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Gumo that is like one of the most horrible films
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: ever that I've ever watched, but I still suggest people
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: to watch it because it's like so bad and awful,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: like that you're like, you gotta watch this because it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: so creepy and real. I would probably do the same
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: for this. I give it a sink, but I probably
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: would suggest someone to watch it.
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