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Intuitive Astrology for The Great Awakening with Jenny Miller · Reclaiming Consciousness

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Elise Bassine, spiritual mentor, breathwork practitioner, and owner and CEO of Elise Breeds.
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  SPEAKER_01: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now, during this epic time in history, people are waking up, realizing who they really are, and reclaiming the pieces of their consciousness that they unknowingly gave away.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: This podcast is an exploration of how so many spectacular humans are leading the way in exiting the matrix and reclaiming who they really are and what they're capable of.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: In this show, you'll meet exceptional people who are paving the way in raising consciousness and creating a new way of living on this earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Get ready to go deep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I still am basically obsessed with astrology, especially the astrology of the current events happening right now on the planet, is incredibly fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: So today I wanted to bring on one of my good friends and intuitive astrologer, Jenny Miller, to the show.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: And she's going to be sharing some of the astrological aspects that we can expect through this time of Great Awakening.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: So from 2022, moving on all the way up for the next 10 years, basically, we discuss.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also discuss the upcoming Pluto return, which is a big astrological event that a lot of people have been talking about.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: The USA is having its Pluto return in February, which is kind of like a big cyclone of energy where big things are ending, shifting, and dismantling.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we get into that, along with all of the other aspects and things that Jenny is tuning into that we can expect within the next few years.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have a great conversation and um it's really enlightening and just really exciting to see how the astrology always reflects the current energies and events that are going on in the planet.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think you guys are really gonna like this episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: And don't forget to rate and review the show and send me a screenshot, and I will send you my miracle frequency activation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also don't forget to reach out.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you are feeling that draw to radically change your life, then reach out to me so we can talk about the best way to work together.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy the show.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: I met Jenny probably almost two years ago now, and we just instantly connected and we became really good friends, and we actually never met in person, which I think is hilarious.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: But she's a really amazing intuitive and astrologer and just has such an amazing energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm so excited to welcome her to the show.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, Jenny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Elise.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm honored to be on your podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yay! So I'd love to start out.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you can just like tell us a little bit about you and how you got to where you are right now and what you do.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm an intuitive guide and healer, and thank you for that nice introduction.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think you've covered a lot of the bases there.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I do astrology and breath work and offer intuitive guidance for my clients.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: How I got to where I am now.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I started off as an intuitive child, and throughout my life, I kind of like numbed that down a little bit and pushed it aside.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it came to when I was in my 20s, I started to really think about like, why am I here?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: What am I here to do?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: And things started to feel a little off.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was like, hmm, I've been in sales and marketing, and I've been doing the corporate thing, and something just didn't feel right.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was good at it in the moment, but I just felt like that spiritual side of myself was like coming through, and I started to question things.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I started to realize that I really wanted to work with people and help people.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I, you know, started with like doing some Reiki and doing some coaching courses and just really like following my curiosity on that end of things, and then like going to a past life workshop and like tapping into my past lives and realizing that that intuitive side of myself never left.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that I was like silently sleeping a little bit, you know.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I started to see an astrologer myself and I reached out to coaches and I worked with other intuitives and psychics, and you know, there was a common theme that I should be working for myself.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I always say that my corporate jobs were like bad boyfriends, so I love that.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because my on the relationship end of things, like I'm the type of person that's always had long-term relationships, so that side of things has been okay, you know what I mean?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And like my husband and I have now been together 10 years or so.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: So my jobs were my bad boyfriend situations, and the universe just like kept on throwing me rocks, and I was like, okay.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, after the last rock, I was just like, I can't do this anymore.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: It just feels like I'm going against who I truly am.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a series of things.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I quit drinking three years ago, which was a huge pivotal moment for my life.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I just started following this path, and it just became more and more clear to me that that's what I should be doing.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, why breath work and astrology is basic basically because it helped me so much in gaining that reassurance, or you know, when it's like you can feel it inside and someone says it back to you, or your chart sort of like verifies everything that you thought about yourself and and you even questioned at points, right?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so astrology really helped me in that area of things.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to be able to offer that to my own clients, and then obviously just like use my psychic abilities and just really integrate all three of those things as an offering.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's how I got to where I am in a short, short form.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've always been super into astrology ever since I found out what it was when probably I was like, I don't know, 13 or 14 or something like that.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've always pretty much been obsessed with it because it really is usually right on.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like it helps you understand so much about yourself.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like society makes us feel like we should be a certain way.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you start to delve into things like astrology and you realize there's a reason why you are the way that you are, it gives you that feeling of comfort, like you were saying, where it's like, oh, this is like making things make sense.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you feel like was, other than having like these jobs that were bad boyfriends, what do you feel like was your biggest challenge in stepping forward in going down your own path?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's probably a couple things, like definitely the fear of leaving this like practical side of life, you know what I mean?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like the consistent paycheck.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, like that last job I had was pretty good paying, you know.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like really tough to leave that and jump into that the unknown, basically, right?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: I obviously trusted myself to know that I'm headed down the right path, but it's still scary to leave that practical thing behind.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: So that was tough.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, quickly, even just for my husband and I, we realized that we just had to change our lives slightly because for both of us, we became sober three years ago.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, like our lives together changed together.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: So it started to fit that new reality, you know, like we weren't going out all the time and all that kind of stuff.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I almost see it as like this all happened for me probably well, I left my last job in July of 2019.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so I already had this like before COVID hit, like this preliminary kind of like, oh, I'm staying home, I'm not doing much, I'm like getting connected to the simpler things in life.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I had that backing behind me already.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas like a lot of people in March are like, holy crap, what is this?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh, this is just over me.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we just realized that things changed slightly for us in the beginning, and that was okay.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: And some of those like materialistic things that you know may have been important to you before just aren't anymore, right?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: And another thing is the hardest part is definitely like fully stepping out and being like, This is who I am.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a psychic, you know, and dealing with that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I had like, you know, a few people that are well, even like maybe just two people that were kind of like, okay, what the heck?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: But most people surprise you if they know you who you are as a person, it's not going to bother them, you know.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: So those that are close and true to you will always be close and true to you, no matter what you are doing, right?
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a little bit difficult, and I think I even still did it kind of slowly, you know, not everyone knew what I was up to and all of that.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And now it's like about fully claiming that, right?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: And and it feels good.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I feel like that's the biggest scary thing for people is like, what are other people gonna think of me when I go out on this path on my own?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because um, anytime we diverge from like the regularly scheduled program, that's one of the biggest things that I think scare us.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: But bringing it back to like fully reclaiming your consciousness that includes going out on your own path and doing what you are meant to do.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't know that I believe that everybody's supposed to be an entrepreneur, but I definitely don't think everybody is supposed to be doing these like mundane, mind-numbing jobs either.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, totally.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there was a point where I literally was like, everyone should be an entrepreneur.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I do agree with you.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I feel exactly the same.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Some people do better working for someone, but I think again, you have to change your perception.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: And and like we limit ourselves by being like, well, you know, I just have to have this shitty boss, or I just have to do this work.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, no, you could work for someone like really great, you know?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's it is about deprogramming those limits, you know, because we just listen to other people who are like, Yeah, well, you know, this is just the way it is, and you grind and you have to do it this way.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, no, you don't have to do it that way, you know?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like all because of fear, also, you know, like I know another thing that comes up for people is like their family, also.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I know for me, I was not worried about what my family was gonna think, but like kind of feel like I was disappointing them or almost like this feeling of being disloyal to them.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that a lot of people go through that too, because we kind of have these programs about what our family did and feeling like we have to follow that at least in some way.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Was that something that came up for you along your path?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think for me, it was like more so dealing with, for example, with my mom, because she has a little bit of a lack mindset.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say, sorry, mom, but you know, she was the one who really guided me to go practical.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for her, me leaving that behind was scary.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like she takes that on, right?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I am an only child, so you know, I'm her life in that sense, right?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think dealing with that and her own fears come up.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: So then it comes and hits me a little bit, right?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, yeah.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I think, you know, my mom had enough time of listening to me with these bad boyfriend work situations that she was like, yeah, she's probably on to something.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it was still a bit hard.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And my dad, I'm lucky because he's always been kind of thinks outside of the box.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: However, both of them don't see them, well, my dad maybe more so don't see themselves as intuitive.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: So even that for them, like my mom was telling me this story about how she was at like a farmer's market the other day, and she saw this woman reading tarot cards or something that and she was like, My daughter does what you do.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then the lady was like, Oh, really?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, Yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: And my mom's like, but I don't want to know.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it funny how like people are so afraid of that?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like a lot of times it's because they haven't looked at that part of themselves.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Cause like you can chime in on this too, because I really do believe that everybody has psychic abilities.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that it's like everyone's supposed to like be a psychic as like the way that they help people or what they bring forth to the world, but I do believe we all have psychic abilities.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I believe we have abilities beyond what we even are aware of right now.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like when people get triggered by that, it's because they are so scared to look at that within themselves.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's funny because my mom has always been sort of like that in terms of creativity as well.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and I almost feel like creativity and intuition kind of like go a little hand in hand, right?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Totally, yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just changing or reframing that as well.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would always share with my mom, like she would never draw in front of me.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm actually like pretty decent at that.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not like no Picasso or anything, but um, but um, creativity has always been an important part of my life, and I love to paint and things like that.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I would try as a kid to like get her to draw, and she wouldn't do it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it was almost like this fear around that, too.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I would always explain to her like cooking is creative and gardening is creative, which are things we love to do.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's interesting.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: And there is, I guess, that fear of I don't know what it is.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like sometimes I'm like, I feel like it's like the unknown because we've been programmed to be afraid of the unknown, and also we've been programmed that if we can't see something, it's not real.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: So people are get afraid because they're like, well, if I don't see it, then it must not be real.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: But also, everyone I feel like has these like little inklings, like little feelings or little things that they kind of press down that they don't want to look at, that they have like these knowings or these like just things that they tune into that they don't really want to explore because it's scary.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: And when you bring up being intuitive or your abilities, it like kind of forces them to confront that and they don't want to, which I think is why certain people like have those reactions, you know.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just my interpretation.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it could be more than that, but yeah, and then I think that's the other reason why we feel afraid to like come out, so to speak, online, like that, and then also, you know, obviously we all have like these ancestral wounds around the witch wound and being psychic and being persecuted and stuff like that.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, do you feel like that was something that you dealt with as well about being psychic?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you feel like there's you're almost up for attack or something sometimes.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not a good way to feel.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: But when you do see things that others may not, and like you said, yes, I agree that everyone is intuitive, even my mom, and I know she is, and she feels a lot, right?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, is that not everyone is going to, you know, be a psychic and go out and do this for work and really hone in on those skills, but everyone has intuition to some degree.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: But when you see things or really feel things that other people are essentially shoving down or numbing out, there is that fear, like you said, right?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: And because if I say something that kind of takes them out of their programming for a moment, fear can arise too, right?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: And makes people question or all of those things that they're uncomfortable with, right?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: So then, yes, I think that's where that witch wound comes in because it's like it's the fear, right?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the fear of being like ostracized from the community and as like humans, and just like through the generations, we've always felt like we needed to belong in order to survive or to like feel the connection to the tribe.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And there's this like inherent wounding around like being psychic or saying that you have these abilities, and then being like ostracized or even killed for having those abilities.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I think everyone's like, because I see when I do like Akashic Records reading with readings with people, like that's usually like what it comes down to that people are carrying like at the core, is like that deep wounding.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the other thing that I wanted to ask you too is like, I know you said you were intuitive as a kid.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, how did that look for you as a kid?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then when did you start really realizing that you had like psychic abilities?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: For me, what I remember is that it was a lot through my dreams.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I would have like extremely prophetic dreams and so intense that looking back, I'm like, wow, that was like some psychic ass shit.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think that it's funny because that part of me has dissipated the dream state stuff.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: It happens every once in a while.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, even just the other day, I had some pretty wild stuff come up, so maybe it'll come back.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I would have these prophetic dreams and stuff that was going on on a collective level, like stuff that would show up in the news and some pretty wild stuff.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: And that was from when I was really young.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then also I remember, which is kind of like a traumatic experience as a child, but I would see things, like I would see people.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I did too.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: I totally feel you on this.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: So go ahead, because I I totally did, and it scared the shit out of me.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's scary.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: So walk past my room and things like that.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I would tell my parents, but I think they just thought I was being like, you know, some scared kid.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I vividly remember what I saw.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so things like this would keep on happening, and even like as an example, I would have dreams about people around me too that would come true, like a friend in elementary school and her boyfriend breaking up with her, and and uh in the exact spot that I saw in my dream.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: And and then I had an experience with my mom when a little bit older, where I had a dream that her dad called her.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Now, so as an example, I I've never met my mom's real dad, and um he called her out of the blue in this dream and was asking to speak with her and this and that.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I called my mom at work and I said, Mom, I had this dream, and I think your dad's gonna call you.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she hadn't talked to her dad in probably, you know, 20 something years is when I had this dream for longer.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, he called.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: So things like that were happening.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of realized like I was seeing stuff that or I was having having things happen to me that not everyone wasn't and then also just like always being so curious about that stuff.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I think in grade 12, I asked to see a psychic for my birthday.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, I always just was like In like give me all that kind of stuff, you know.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: So and then and then when I left high school, I started having more experiences with like I traveled to New York and it was right after 9-11, and I just felt like there was so many spirits there.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I started to have like really interesting experiences with ghosts, and um, yeah, so it kind of just it went in waves too.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I will say that a lot of it time in between, like, you know, having a boyfriend or something, like I wasn't always seeing ghosts, like I was kind of like numb that put that aside so that I could live this in on earth, you know.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to, yeah.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then like, how did that start showing up like in your work?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know you do like astrology, but then like, how do you feel like those two go together?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think would be a really good question.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like I understand why and how they go together.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: And most astrology that I'm into is people that are like intuitive and psychic and stuff like that.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: But like, how do you feel, you know, being psychic and reading someone's astrology or just exploring the astrology?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: What is the connection there?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so exactly.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: I know you know this, but it really just, I don't know if it verifies is the right word, but like as an intuitive, as a psychic, and as you've seen, Elise, that a lot of the energetics that you're feeling, and and you know, you can do your own energy update, and it will be reflective of what's going on uh with the planets in astrology.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it really lines up.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: And why I liked getting into astrology is because you have this blueprint of you know someone's soul, and you can go in and like really get deep into all of this like intricacy of the chart, but it also again like verifies what you already know, like what we were saying, right?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it goes hand in hand, and I don't always use astrology in my sessions, like sometimes it's like if the person really wants to use astrology and maybe we'll just look at certain aspects of their chart or look at the transits or something like that, because I do like to go in with my intuition first, and I will say that, right?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: So astrology is a tool, and what I've heard too is that people say like astrology is one of the most accurate ways of looking at something.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like total, oh my God, I agree.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Every deep reading that I've had for myself has been so spot on.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: But then also, which you know, what I definitely want to get into here is just looking at the astrology of the collective, right?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like what's happening just in general with the planets and the different aspects that are going on, especially right now.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've always been pretty into that, but especially right now, because it's such an intense time right now, just looking at the astrology, like every time I hear someone's interpretation of what's happening, I'm like, holy shit, like that is so reflective of what's going on right now.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing that really, really intrigues me is when you look at history, right?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you look at, oh, well, apparently what's happening now with I think it's the Pluto return of the US, is like the same thing that happened during the American Revolution, like the same exact aspect.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I love looking at because there's a lot of astrologers that will say, like, oh, well, this thing, we haven't seen this happen since, you know, the Spanish flu or whatever the thing was, you know.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I just find that so fascinating because it's like, if anyone's trying to say like astrology isn't real and it's not like a science, if you look at that shit, like how can you deny that?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what's so amazing about it, right?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, you're looking at the energetics in history and kind of, and that's how astrologers can be somewhat predictive with this, right?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I would love to get into like a little bit about your interpretation of like the astrology that we're seeing right now, because I think that that is really powerful for people.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, we're recording this on November 8th or 9th, November 9th.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be out in a few weeks.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: But what do you feel like are the important things that like we need to know just astrologically and energetically right now?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I will say that the way I've been taught astrology is definitely from a spiritual position.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it is a little bit different than what you will see with Western astrologers, in the sense that, like, as an example, if you're Scorpio, which you are, this is a good example.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times, like you'll see those memes out there, and Scorpio is like, you know, the spooky sorcerer and all this kind of stuff.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: But from the perspective of the blue rose, which is the mystery school that I was a part of, is that Scorpio is fixed water.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: So what that means is that it's the mode and the element, right?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: And as we know, water is well, maybe we don't know, but now I'm telling you, is that water is emotions, it's or imagination, it's intuition.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: And um, that fixity part is about the need to like really take that emotion and go inward.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: So in the blue rose, Scorpio is the deep lake.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, and if you kind of like feel into that, right?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you were to like put yourself and like walk into the water and just like immerse yourself in like this lake, and that's the energy of Scorpio is like this need to go inwards and reflect on your emotions.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's totally me.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, and I know obviously it's not just your sun sign, but um, I don't deep lake definitely describes me, and just like the inward emotional stuff.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, you know, I'm all about that.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, yes, and that's like that emotional intelligence piece, right?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: And not to say though, so say your Pluto is in Scorpio in your chart, then that's when maybe you'd get that like real sorcerer, you know, kind of energy that because that's the energy of Pluto more so than it is Scorpio, right?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: So in rest Western astrology, just to give you that like different perspective, right?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, as you've probably heard, we aren't in the age of Aquarius, from what I know.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: That actually won't be occurring until about 300 years from now.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: We are moving into the age of Aquarius, and what Aquarius is about from the Blue Rose teachings is it's actually about your voice.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: So Aquarius is fixed air, and the air element is all about communication, and that fixity, like I was explaining before, is like going inwards, being reflective, it's reflective action, it's reflective thought, like where you're taking it in, and it's your like internal dialogue with things.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: So being that astrology, like the way I see it, is it's a language of consciousness.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: I love that description.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: So we are heading towards Aquarius, like I said, and um Saturn has been in Aquarius since December 21st, 2020.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that's when it entered Aquarius.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Which brings us into an intellectual or technological renaissance period.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: So the last time that occurred was in the 1300s.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we are in a new beginning phase.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: So this new beginning phase is actually gonna take up to 16 years, which seems like a long time, but you know, that's kind of like the process.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: And and this process started January 12th, 2020, when Saturn and Pluto came into Capricorn.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: So looking back, you probably remember there was like a lot of people talking about that, right?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: And Saturn being government, so like Saturn is about rules and boundaries and so government, and then Pluto being about power and also like abuse of power, right?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I would say my teacher Andrew Smith says is that we're looking at a redistribution of power in general.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that makes sense, yeah.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: So this hasn't happened since uh 1518, if you oh wow, yes, so it's like really a deconstruction of our current reality into moving into new conditions of reality.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: So when I say redistribution of power, it would have us reflecting on like what is power to us, right?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if we're in this period of time over 16 years, we'll be looking at a lot of what power is to us.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: And with new beginnings, and as you've seen, just like with what's going on with the pandemic and everything like that, there's like the highs and lows of it all, right?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And you go through grief, you go through kind of excitement sometimes of like the unknown and what's gonna happen and the pain of it all.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: So why it's so uncomfortable right now is because, like I say, we we haven't seen this kind of energetics come together in such a long time.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we're literally at the very beginning stages of something that's happening for over a process of time.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it's going to force us to look at the structures that we have in place and what's been power to us.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, as an example, we're really moving from like a triangular power structure.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you know how you see like those triangles are like, yeah, like those sales, what do they call those?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so like there's a person at power at the very top, right?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was gonna say, like the top-down kind of structure.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, totally.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: So moving away from that into like a circular format.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, not a lot of us know, like, well, how's that you know going to happen?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: And that's part of just this process and the unknown.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: But we are moving out of, and I know we've had conversations about this before, that also means like moving away from this like idea of the guru or even a leader, like someone who leads all.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to interrupt you, but I just don't want to forget to say this.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like this is such a theme in the work that I do.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Two reasons.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: One is because everybody right now is reclaiming their own personal power, right?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: So, like really understanding that like there's no authority outside of you, other than you.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And this is like one of the biggest things that I'm helping people uncover right now.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then additionally, I feel like we are moving out of the stage of the guru, like you said.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so many people that I'm working with are realizing that there's no like teacher, there's no other than you.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, we all have people who are who we're learning from, right?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: And who are inspirations to us and who hold space for us and who help us, but it's not like you're putting that person on a pedestal, you could never do what that person did.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like it's shifting and changing in that way so much.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it makes so much sense what you said.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because even now, like with coaching and like with my clients and like with the people you work with, it's more like just guidance and holding space, but it's not like, oh, I know more than you do, or I have some kind of like God-given power that you don't have.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that's what we're moving out of.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even I have some clients who have been like Buddhists or like other religions where they're moving out of that as well to realize, like, no, like I don't need this intermediary to connect with the divine, like that happens through me.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: So it makes so much sense what you're saying.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's so true.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if someone's got this you need to follow me, God complex stuff, like run, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, totally.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Run as fast as you can.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, that's it.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely how I feel.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm holding space, I'm offering guidance.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like you shouldn't, I don't know, be working with someone that thinks that they are almighty or know better, or they have yeah, anyway, you know what I mean, right?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And also it's an opportunity for all of us to heal that part of ourselves that thinks that we need that, right?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: That thinks that that program that we're still running, that that we don't have something already within us that we need to look for it outside of ourselves.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that it's our opportunity now to heal that mindset and that programming that is saying that like there's something inherently wrong with me, then I need to look for something more outside of me.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it and it goes back to even just that what you were saying really reminded me of the energy energy of Aquarius because it is about your voice, right?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like that inner voice.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: And like you were saying, you know, if I'm speaking up about something, it doesn't mean that you can't.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about like I'm the guru about it.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, maybe I'm lighting the path or something like that, but you can use your voice as well.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: You have all of that within you.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: And Aquarius is that energy of going inward and being like to stop us seeking outside of ourselves, which is like what you were explaining.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: We've been giving our power away in these certain areas of our lives, and it really is about coming back to sovereignty, which is Aquarius as well, right?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: So to go a little bit more on that, so Pluto is actually moving into Aquarius in March of 2023, which will be a shift in there'll be a shift in personal perception, and I believe within the next six years in the astrology shows as well, is that there'll be less people seeking outside of themselves, and there'll be more people going inward, which is so important on a mental health.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I feel like that's already happening, but to me, the real issue in the world in general is mental health.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like with all of the fucked up systems that are in place and the control and all of that, people are going nuts, right?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're not able to really connect with like who they are and what's real and what's important and like with everything going on.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I think that is the biggest thing.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: So for people to be able to actually come back to themselves and turn inward, like, yeah, that's gonna have a huge effect on people's mental health.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so like I said, things that are coming into play is like that kind of like deconstruction of the pyramid and the triangle.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what I was trying to say before is like the pyramid scheme, you know what I mean?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like those kind of like totally, yeah.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: I knew what you meant.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the top-down kind of a thing where there's like one leader at the top, and then everybody's kind of underneath of that person.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: So as we move into 2026, we'll really be forced to really look at our wellness as a whole.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And like you and I were just touching on it's like that mental health piece, right?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: That we've really seen missing from a lot of things with what's been going on, right?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like how for some reason we're not really looking at nutrition.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, people are.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's not to say that people aren't, but we haven't really been seeing that in the media.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, like just as a society in general, it's still like take this medication, do this thing, instead of looking at the holistic view of like, well, what are you eating?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's your mental health like?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are you like exercising?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Are you in nature?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like all of these things just have such a huge impact on our well-being, and it's basically ignored by all doctors, like Western medicine, I mean.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: So by then, if you think about it just like a progression over these six years, is like there has been this mental health crisis.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't look at that, that's when it can go bad, right?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: So really it's about us using our tools, like going back to nature and going inward, like I say, and using your tools of breath work and staying away from media.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: And as you've seen too, like with structures, and I know that you and I have talked about this on my podcast about like structures changing, and and we can see some of this happening.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: And and so the astrology is noting towards like by 2027, we'll move into like a digital cash system rather than paper.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then can I ask you about like I've been hearing, well, two things.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: One is I've been hearing like the two eclipses that are coming up, one is like November 19th, I think, and then the other one is in December.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I know those are gonna be super powerful.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any thoughts on that or any feeling that you have about those or what those are gonna mean for us?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was thinking about that before, but what I'm really looking at, and it's not to do with those eclipses, although I do think it's like for me, eclipses just on an intuitive level, is like definitely like there's such a buildup of energy, and it's always like there's these intense moments of like the highs and the lows.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: But what I would say for this year, the big energetic planetary positioning is at on December 23rd, where we have a square between Saturn and Uranus.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: And what does Uranus represent?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know you said Saturn is like the structures and the laws and the government and stuff, and what does Uranus represent?
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: So Uranus is like revolution, independence, freedom.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like, and with a square, it's like energy that it doesn't quite get along.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's um like it's kind of opposing or something.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they're not opposing, they're square, but they're like they're having like a conversation or something like that.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: When I hear a square, not that I know that much about it, but when I hear a square, it almost feels like I know it's not an opposition because that's a different thing, but it almost feels like it's like a conversation.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's tension.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's tension.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, so this would be like tension between revolution and rules, essentially.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's apropos.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be intense.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: And what that means is like, we don't know exactly what that means, but how I would see it is that it's a possibility that more information will come out that will, you know, what can be good about squares is that it really shifts things and there's movement there, and it's like kind of in front of your face.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: So what that means exactly, we will see.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Cause I feel like with the astrology too, like you can't really predict like what's gonna happen.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can say like what the energy is going to be and like what could possibly happen, but I feel like you're you never will know that until you just see what goes on.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Cause I feel like also with stuff like that, it always shows up at least a little bit differently than you think it's going to, you know.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: So whether it's like certain news comes out or there's more rules that are trying to become in place or whatever that is.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be something probably also on like more of a collective level, too, that we'll see.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing I was gonna ask you about too, as I know you kind of mentioned, we've kind of touched on this before, is like the Pluto return.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: For the US, which I know like people have been talking about that.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any thoughts about that?
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I haven't looked deeply into that myself, but I do know that Pluto will go into that like exact return in February of nine years.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of 2022.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did hear that.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: So because it's a Pluto return, it would be something where again we can't predict what exactly will happen, but I would say that you could expect a reckoning.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love that word.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like because everyone who knows me knows I'm a huge fan of Barbara Marciniak.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: And she she's been saying about these times that we're in right now as being like a karmic reckoning.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Where like karma, like you know, and karma meaning like what you do comes back to you.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's like if there have been wrongs done, they'll be righted during that time.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, like whatever, you know, on a collective level, whether it be like the government or any of these institutions that are supposed to have our backs that don't, it'll be like a time where they kind of have to like pay the price.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: But also on an individual level as well.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like these types of things, though we may see them in the collective and playing out on the world stage, we also experience them individually.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that that's been happening for me as well with a lot of these energies where, for example, just in my own life with all of these energies that have been happening, I feel it on an individual level.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like I'm clearing shit out, I'm changing everything, I'm changing my relationships, I'm changing my boundaries, all of this stuff.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like that's gonna happen for people on an individual level too, where it's like you really have to kind of deal with the decisions that you've made.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: We all feel it because it is happening on a collective level.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: So in the bigger perspective, and then coming back to us.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, so for the US, it's basically this is gonna sound harsh, but it's like a deconstruction of the United States of America.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: I guess yeah, no, that's what everyone's been saying, which is why it's so interesting.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I know obviously we've been seeing in the US kind of like obviously a split between ideologies and just, you know, and I know you're not in the US, but you know like what's going on here.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I just think it's really interesting.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, I don't know if it's gonna be like, okay, the US is just like dissolve, but it seems like there's gonna be some big shift that happens.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I agree.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: And whether it's like you say, where it's like the two sides kind of are forced to go like head to head in a way, and yeah, we shall see, but it's definitely a big deal, and and it should be very interesting.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was intrigued by it the first time I heard about it because I was just like, oh shit, that sounds like something is gonna happen.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think too, like, as an important note, is that some of us have a hard time moving into the change and shifting into the change, or maybe all of us, you know, in some sort of way.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: And disharmony can occur when we we're almost like trying to get back to where we were, right?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're trying to go back to quote unquote normal when really the energetic frequency has shifted and and it's shifted on this mass level, with you know, and like you see from the astrology.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: So there's there is that grieving process again of like we aren't going back to where we were before.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that may cause a bit of that riff again, right?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: Between sides or whatever, because it's like sort of like fighting the old way of being versus like this new energy that's coming in, right?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I feel like for me, and I'm sure you were the same way too, when everything happened with COVID and all of this, I knew immediately that things were shifting and it was never gonna go back to the way that it was.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I could feel that right away.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I feel like for people who aren't as tuned in as you and I, or were feeling a lot of loss around that, are still kind of like wanting, wishing that we can like quote unquote like go back to normal instead of just embracing the energy and riding the wave and creating something new because also it's an opportunity to really step into who you are meant to be.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that so many people took that opportunity, right?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, there are our friends, our clients, people we know who have said, okay, like I'm gonna take this call, you know, like I'm gonna take this opportunity to do what I know I'm meant to do.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because most people, you know, when March 2020 happened, most people were in a job that they knew they didn't really like or they knew they weren't meant to do.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, okay, well, like fuck it.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let me just see what I'm supposed to do.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like, I feel like that's gonna happen in waves too with people where, you know, it's gonna be more and more people are starting to to do that.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I completely agree with you.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's not going back to any.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't even know what was normal before anyway, because the world like always kind of sucks.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember looking at was got what was going on in the world when I was a kid or a teenager, and I'm like, what the fuck are these people doing?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: It just never made sense to me, like as far as government and the laws and like all the different structures.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm this doesn't make sense.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: And like the thing that I always say to people, like, if all of these people who are supposed to be running things actually cared about humans, the world would be a very different place.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like it's a very logical conclusion that like all of this shit needs to change.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, we might as well embrace that, I guess is my point.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, going back to what I mentioned about like what is power to us, it's like, well, you know, our coming to terms with the fact that none of these structures have ever been for the people.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um, taking our power back and claiming our voice and also realizing that yes, okay, you know, we can speak about these dates and these things coming in astrologically, but we still have choice, you know, and we can shift things.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's why I love like the blend of the two.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because for me too, like I personally first will like follow my intuition.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it is like, yeah, we have a choice about how this is going to go.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: And are we going to use our voice?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: And are we going to create something new and something good?
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, we could go into the lower frequency energetics of it all and like see that technology is growing at a rapid rate.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, if it doesn't include nature and spirit and all of that, then is it good for us, you know?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: And right.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we have a choice.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Are we, or is there a split?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: And there's like some people that go back to this natural way of life and into nature and deep in that aspect of themselves, and some that don't.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, it's um yeah, yeah.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what um Barbara Marciniac always said is that at some point there would be a splitting of the world.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: She called it where like some people would choose to go back to like the natural world and nature and living from like the earth and like that more natural way of intuitively living with the earth, and then other people who would just be fully immersed in like technology.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I know you and I were talking, like when I was on your podcast, how we kind of see the the two merging in a really positive way for humanity because technology is whatever you make it, right?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like even with like social media and stuff, social media can be a really big distraction and a really big energy suck and a way to program your mind, basically.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Or you can use it as a tool to connect with people, to build your business, to share your message, to find people that are your soul family.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like it can be used in a positive way, but it's just about us again reclaiming those parts of ourselves and getting out of the matrix, like getting out of that programming so that you can use it in a way that works for you instead of just kind of letting yourself get sucked into whatever is there, kind of like just getting sucked into this wave and then not knowing how to like find your footing.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: And such a good way to word that all because that is like there is a higher and lower frequency to everything, right?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's what do we choose?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Do we choose the distraction?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do we choose to live in fear and you know, or do we choose to create a new vision for the world?
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um Yeah, I totally agree.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I feel like we could talk all day about this stuff, but I want to be respectful of your time.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna ask you our very last question that I'm asking on every episode is what do you feel is the one non-negotiable for you when it comes to fully reclaiming your consciousness?
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, non-negotiable would be that I absolutely can't live in a way anymore that goes against my value system.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I couldn't live where I couldn't truly be myself and have that disharmony again, and also reclaiming consciousness in a way that I love, you know, the opportunity to be curious and to follow what lights me up and I'm curious about and ask questions and dig deeper.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, that's all really important for me.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's it's interesting because it's like you took that leap to do things your own way, and now it's like you really can't go back.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like most people, yeah, probably everybody feels that way.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you so much for sharing all of that astrological insight.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's gonna be really helpful for people.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know for me it's like so fascinating, so I'm sure for other people it is too.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then can you share with us where people can find you?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's the best way to get in touch with you?
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: And if you have anything cool going on right now.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: So you can find me.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: My website is jennydmiller.com.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: And my Instagram is at jenny.d.miller.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to listen to the podcast with me and Elise on my podcast, my podcast is called the Curious Intuitive.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, right now I'm offering my sessions, which are you can do breath work or you can do the session, which is both intuitive guidance and the use of astrology if that is of interest to you, and you can find that all that information on my website.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Jenny.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: This was really amazing, and we will talk to you soon.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for being here.
• 56:27
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• 56:34
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• 56:45
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• 56:55
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