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510: Don't Turn It Over, Seahawks Win the Game · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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  Brandan: This is The Sea Hawkers Podcast, episode 510.
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  I'm Brandan Schulze of the Military Sea Hawkers, and I am joined by my good
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  buddy and Montana Sea Hawker Adam Emmert, as our Seattle Seahawks go into week
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  seven, a nice Sunday night football matchup against the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Adam: I'm not gonna lie, I've been waiting all day for Sunday night, and,
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  then it's still not Sunday night.
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  I- maybe I'm waiting on the wrong day.
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  I don't know what it is, but the Seahawks at 3 and 3 take on an undefeated
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  Chiefs team on Sunday night in Lumen.
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  It's gonna be electric.
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  This is gonna be a hell of a matchup, man.
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  Brandan: Second chance to take down an
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  undefeated team in our home stadium this season.
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  Adam: That's a true fact.
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  I hadn't thought about it in those terms, and, look, there's…
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  I, I think that the result of this could be different than that, 49ers game.
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  And the funny thing is, is, like, we could talk for an hour about this
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  game, I'm sure, but for the most part, it's relatively freaking simple.
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  You know, hold on to the rock, win game.
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  Like, I mean, it's, it's almost, it's almost that elementary when you really
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  get down to the nitty-gritty of it.
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  Brandan: It's almost annoying that it's that easy,
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  because I feel, watching this team-
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  It, it feels like that team that won the Super Bowl last season is in there.
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  Like, I could see it.
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  Yeah.
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  I could see it in there.
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  They, they s- they do a lot of the same things.
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  They look very similar, apart from the running game.
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  And- … the, but the defense, it's, it's the championship caliber defense.
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  Yep.
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  And I think that's why it's so frustrating to be sitting here at three and three
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  and looking back on those games, looking back to the loss against the Broncos
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  in, when you had a shot in overtime, looking back to the, the game against
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  the Niners, which is in your division, and going, "Man, if we just turn the
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  ball over, I don't know, one time less, we're on the positive side, and we're the
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  ones undefeated going into this game."
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  Adam: It's a true fact, man, and you're totally correct about the defense.
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  They're playing at the exact same level as last year, and they've been
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  absolutely dominant, and it's been an absolute joy to watch throughout
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  this first six weeks of the season.
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  Then you get offensively, and like you said, it's a lot of
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  the same stuff as last year.
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  I mean, JSN centric, and Sam Darnold, you know, putting up big numbers at times.
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  Sure.
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  And, you know, then putting up big numbers in the turnover category as well.
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  And look, it's, in some ways it's not just the Sam turnovers, it's more
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  kind of the turnovers around him.
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  'Cause you almost have to bake in a Sam turnover a game.
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  Like- Sure … it's just who he is, and you won- Why not?
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  … a Super Bowl doing that.
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  I mean, not why not, I'd love it if he could get rid of it, but
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  it's been the story since USC.
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  It, it just really has.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And last year leading the league in turnovers, we all know, and this year,
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  I don't know if he's leading the league, but, he's making a strong case for it.
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  And it's just the little things like a Shaheed fumble in the Broncos game
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  where, you know, it kinda goes off his butt sort of and then, you know,
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  just the weird thing- Brandan: Off the dude's knee, yeah, the, of the defender.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  And it's like, gosh dang, man.
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  Like, if the rest of the team can play clean around him, then all of a sudden
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  these losses start to look like wins.
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  I mean, I heard Darren, Daniel Jeremiah talking about the Seahawks
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  year on Brock and Salk this last week, and they were asking him, "Hey, you
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  know, how you feeling about this?"
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  He's like, "I don't know.
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  I mean, I, I feel just fine about this."
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  Like, this team has every opportunity to do exactly what they did
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  last year in terms of getting to the Super Bowl and all of that.
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  What are you, eight points away from being undefeated or something like that?
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  And then when you really sit and think about it, you know, the sky isn't falling,
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  but it's certainly a little cloudy, and, it could clear up though.
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  And I think that there's an opportunity for that against
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  the Chiefs on Sunday night.
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  Brandan: Eight points away from the discussion being bench Sam
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  Darnold, fire Brian Fleury.
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  Who else are…
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  We, we have to trade for a running back because- Mm-hmm … that's a disaster.
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  Yeah, it, it would be nice if we…
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  It would almost be better if it weren't so close and it was just- Adam: Yeah but I'm
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  Brandan: to the point, Adam,
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  where I'm negotiating with where Sam turns the ball over.
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  'Cause you go back to the Broncos game and
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  you look at the one where, yeah, they were
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  in field goal range, he turns it over,
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  but they end up being able to shut the Broncos
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  offense down and get the ball back and then tie it up, to go into overtime.
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  But then it's in overtime where he turns the ball over on the wrong side
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  of the field, and they're able to kick a game-winning field goal without
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  having to drive that many yards.
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  And I look back at all these other games too where there have been Sam turnovers,
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  and it, it seems like it's the ones on our side of the field that ends up…
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  They all end up hurting us because our defense has not been able to get red zone
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  stops too, is, a part of the problem.
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  I guess that's the one area of the defense where you go, "Yeah, that's…
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  It, it, it's kind of a weird variance," and we have to regress toward the,
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  the middle there somewhere at, at, at, during the season because I, again, I
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  look at the defense and say, "This is a s- championship caliber defense."
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  The, the red zone thing is weird to me.
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  Adam: It is very weird, and you would feel like that's something that they can
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  improve on, and it, maybe it is just the result of the random variance that
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  happens throughout a season, and the pendulum does swing back their way a
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  little bit, and it's not a matter of them doing that much different, it's
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  just, things go your way or they don't.
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  And that's a little bit of the league as a whole, right?
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  I mean, this is, every team is so closely matched in so many ways that
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  the difference between winning and losing is so small, or stopping them in
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  the red zone is just, is rather small.
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  But you're right about the idea of, you know, where you're turning the
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  ball over not just the turnovers.
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  I mean, think of how many short fields the stupid Niners had.
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  Now, of all the losses, that's the one that sticks in my craw, like, the hardest.
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  'Cause, like, it was unbelievably winnable against that stupid team that
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  everybody now is crowning, and it, it could be a totally different conversation.
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  That one frustrates me the most.
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  Brandan: That one is frustrating, especially when, because it's division.
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  And it would give you the opportunity of being that much closer to
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  the top of the division, even though it's just that one game.
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  And then compound that with the Rams being at the bottom of the division after
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  their loss to Cardinals this past week.
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  Oh man, that was, that was glorious.
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  The fact that the Cardinals don't even need to score touchdowns to beat the Rams.
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  Adam: No, six field goals from Chad Ryland, like, MVP Ryland right there.
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  That was a beautiful thing to watch, watching the Rams go down,
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  and that does give you some solace because y- it really kinda takes some
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  of the heat off of this team as well.
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  Not that anybody pays attention to us anyways, but at the end of the day,
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  like, the Rams taking their lumps here, that's, that's certainly helped.
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  But look, everything's in front of you here, as you're sitting at three and
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  three, you're rolling into Sunday night, and you've got the big, bad Kansas City
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  Chiefs coming to town, along with one Mr.
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  Kenneth Walker.
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  Brandan: Kenneth Walker coming back to Seattle.
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  It's, I'm, I'm struggling a little bit because I was a big Kenneth Walker fan, Adam.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  Brandan: And I think I expressed that in the off-season.
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  I know that- It, I could understand the thinking of John Schneider trying to
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  maintain a championship caliber team, and thinking that the running back spot would
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  be one that you could get by without.
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  And I think another part of this too is that we're seeing a Kenneth Walker that we
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  saw in spurts in Seattle, but we didn't see a five, six game stretch of K9
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  like this with what he's doing with the Kansas City Chiefs to start the season.
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  Adam: It's true, but he's never played with, you know, Patrick Mahomes
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  sitting back behind him as well.
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  Where he's able to- Mahomes … you know, really scare defenses with
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  all of the Pat Mahomes stuff, right?
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  And that opens things up.
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  Also too, I, it's interesting to think about the usage rate with Ken here so far
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  throughout the first part of the year.
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  I mean, it'd be difficult not to want to use him that much, no doubt about it.
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  But look, he managed to play in 17 games last year because we actually spelled him
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  by having a 1B option at running back.
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  And I think one of the things that has been frustrating for me over the last week
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  or so, just the conversation about Kenneth
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  Walker and, "Ah, we shouldn't have let him
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  go," and this, that, and the other thing.
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  Okay, that's fine.
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  I mean, look, it, hindsight's 2020 in all of that.
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  But I think it's far too early to say, yeah, John Schneider's bet totally busted.
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  Like, it, it, it's over, you know, this is Ken's awesome, Chiefs have, are winning
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  the Super Bowl, and Seahawks are gonna finish with a losing record and miss
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  the playoffs all because of one move.
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  And that, that doesn't feel like it's the case.
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  And I think what is really difficult for me is the idea that everybody seems to
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  say, "Well, I mean, they had Kenneth Walker and that made the running game go."
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  And it's like, well, was it all Ken?
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  Like, I, 'cause I don't recall that being the case at all.
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  I mean, Zach Charbonnet had a very nice season throughout the year as well, and
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  honestly was a little bit more productive before his injury than Ken was and
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  getting a little more run at that point.
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  But I mean, as you see here, the regular season stats, I
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  mean, is this massively different to you, do you think, Brandan?
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  Brandan: Not massively different, no.
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  It, d- the thing that I would expect to be different is just the more explosive
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  plays from K9, which- Yes … helps get him into those, h- help to get him over
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  Adam: 1,000 yards Yeah, a thousand percent.
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  And, you know- 'Cause that's Brandan: not
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  really part of Zach's game, is getting the, you
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  know, breaking off the 40, 50, 60-yarders.
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  Adam: Yeah, that's definitely not his, forte per se, but he is a very
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  consistent back, and he helps make the g- run game legitimate enough that
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  teams commit to having to stop it, which then opens things up for Sam.
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  And that's really what this offense has been missing.
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  We can talk all day long about what Fleury isn't getting right, and it's like, well,
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  look, you can draw it up perfect, but if your back is just a plodder that can't
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  get anywhere like both of, Wilson and Holani are, like, what are you gonna do?
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  Yeah.
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  You're not gonna make that thing go.
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  And I know the argument is, well, Shanahan makes anybody work.
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  It's like, well, okay.
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  But they're not also, like, these sort of plodding type running backs.
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  Like, I, I, I can't [catfish] stand Emanuel Wilson.
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  Like, I can't.
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  Brandan: You are not a fan of plodding running backs.
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  Go back to the Eddie Lacy days and- God
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  see the frustration that Adam dealt with, and I, and as I tried to go,
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  well, you know, maybe, maybe w- we'll get some good Eddie Lacy for, at
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  some point, and it never happened.
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  No.
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  I kept waiting.
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  It never happened.
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  It's gonna be Anthony Bradford returning it looks like.
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  It looked like he was a full participant in practice today, so.
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  I wonder what Anthony Bradford we get in very first game back after injury, Anthony
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  Bradford going up against All-Pro Chris Jones, on the other side of the field.
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  I have, I, well, I'd have my concerns against the, the backup guards
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  going up against Chris Jones, but Anthony Bradford early last season
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  didn't look real strong either.
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  And coming in off of injury, I have to expect that there's gonna be some, some
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  negative plays that we see sprinkled in there, too, which is generally
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  what we get with Anthony Bradford.
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  Adam: Absolutely.
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  But we don't, we do know that this is a highly functioning offensive line.
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  When all five of them are out there, they've got a back behind them, and
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  things are actually working, right?
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  Now, also, you ment- mentioned Chris Jones, hell of a player, Hall of
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  Famer, no doubt about it, right?
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  He's fricking awesome.
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  We saw Christian Haynes have some nice reps against him in the preseason.
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  Now, that was preseason Chris Jones, so take it, take it
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  with a grain of salt I guess.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But it's not just him, though.
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  Tonga is a good DT.
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  You know, Peter Woods is another good defensive tackle as well.
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  They're pretty tough up front, so it's, it's important that Anthony
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  Bradford is back for this game, I think.
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  It's really gonna help.
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  Brandan: The other guy I worry about a little bit on the defensive line is George
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  Karlaftis, who, he's leading the Chiefs, 24 pressures this season.
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  But he's generally coming from the right side, and that's gonna be
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  going up against Charles Cross.
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  Cross coming off a not so great game too, but that was Nik Bonitto.
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  Do you, do you think…
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  I don't think of, Karlaftis being quite the same.
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  It's, they have different games.
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  Bonitto- Yes … a lot more speed and, and twitchy guy, where I think
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  Karlaftis is more of a power guy.
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  Adam: There's not a lot of Bonittos out there in the world, and his
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  quickness and twitchiness and the spin move, like, that, that was what
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  was really kind of eating them up.
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  But along with the fact that the Seahawks were constantly in passing situations
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  and had kind of abandoned the run game in the second half, and I think rightfully
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  so in that particular match up, being down like you were, and the running
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  game being garbage and, and all of that.
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  But it made you predictable and it makes it really difficult on your
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  offensive line at that point against a pass rusher of the caliber of Bonitto.
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  Do I think Karlaftis is a very nice player?
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  Yes, 1000%.
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  He's a, he's a very good defensive end and a, and a rusher.
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  But I don't think he's nearly on the level of Bonitto in just
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  strictly pass rushing stuff.
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  I think Karlaftis is probably better at setting the edge and
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  doing some of that other stuff.
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  Very different games.
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  And I think his style of game is something that Abe Lucas can match
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  up with and Charles Cross can match up with, you know, pretty well.
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  And I, I think you're not gonna see the same, difficulties,
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  from the tackle position in this game as you did against the Broncos.
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  Also, the rookie R, Mason Thomas, is look pretty good at times.
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  Brandan: Is look good.
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  Yeah.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  Brandan: I was- A little bit concerned based on what we saw from Charles Cross
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  and Grey Zabel last week, and I was digging into some of the stats.
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  It w- it, because it was, they allowed 16 and a half percent-
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  Mm … pressure rate, five and a half sacks in the last two games.
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  And before that, I, I felt like we didn't really have to worry about the
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  left side of the line all that much.
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  And even with those two poor games back to back, they're still the best left guard,
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  left tackle tandem in the NFL right now.
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  And I was, i- despite those last two games, I was just happy to see
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  that, okay, may- it's just two games.
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  I, I don't think that's going to be a trend, but a, a little bit
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  concerning after the last two weeks.
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  Adam: How do you make your offensive line look terrible?
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  Like, when you know that they've got talent.
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  We know they have talent.
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  They're all Super Bowl champions.
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  They, you know, Zabel's a first round draft pick.
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  Cross is a first round draft pick.
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  I mean, these are talented players, right?
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  Well, you make your offensive line look terrible when you can't run the
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  football, and you have to throw it every down, and you've got a quarterback whose
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  game is not tailored to put the entire offensive load on his shoulder and drop
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  back 45, 51 times against the Broncos.
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  Brandan: 51 times.
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  Adam: And you really put them in a position where they're playing backwards the
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  entire game, which is not their game.
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  So I don't care who you are.
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  You, you could be Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson over there, but if you're
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  playing that style of football, where the quarterback, where you have to throw the
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  ball a bunch, and they threw the ball a bunch under Holmgren, don't get it twisted.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But if, Hasselbeck was great at getting the ball out, being the
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  point guard, distributing, and being that sort of quarterback, right?
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  Whereas we look at Sam Darnold and that is not his game in any way.
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  It's run the ball, deep shots, clear reads, decisive.
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  That, that's when Sam's playing at a high level.
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  And he still has the blue screen of death every now and then.
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  And you know, honestly, I was thinking about it today.
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  I, I think Sam Darnold reminds me a lot of Dave Krieg, like where- Oh,
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  sure … you can have these amazing games where you're just like, "Oh my gosh."
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  And then they turn over games.
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  And then these turnover games, and you're like, "What the hell happened?"
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  The streakiness of it.
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  Yeah.
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  It's very Kriegian to me.
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  Brandan: Yeah, Krieg had games, for, for those people who are relatively new to the
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  Seahawks, it, Krieg had Steve Largent to throw to, and he would have
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  games like that where he would get…
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  H- his problem was more fumbles I felt like than interceptions.
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  Yes.
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  And, he notably had very small hands for a NFL quarterback,
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  but undrafted quarterback.
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  And he would…
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  It felt like under the lights, though, he would have his, some of his best games.
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  Yeah.
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  I remember a Monday Night Football game where he threw for, like four touchdowns,
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  and it was against, I think, the Raiders, you know, division rival at the time.
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  And you're…
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  Well, and when Krieg finished his career too, he was among some of
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  the top quarterbacks in yardage.
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  And, yeah.
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  Adam: Like for a long time.
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  Brandan: You looked at him as a quarterback
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  that he could get it done, but then you had the
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  other games where it was like, come on.
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  Why, why can't you just do the thing, the good stuff all the time?
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  I mean, we talk about it all the time on this podcast.
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  The difference between bad to good, good to great is consistency at this level.
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  They're all talented.
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  Just how consistently can you put it together?
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  And that's what makes Sam Darnold a B level quarterback,
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  a Krieg level quarterback.
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  Like- Yeah … you know, where I put, I put Hasselbeck above him, even
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  though he never won a Super Bowl.
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  Like, I'd take Hasselbeck over Sam Darnold
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  every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  He, he only had the one moment of, "We want the ball and we're gonna score."
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  And, and there's- You know- … questions around whether- Yeah … or
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  not that was even his fault.
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  Adam: Well, there's, yeah, there's a lot about that,
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  but at the end of the day, that, it
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  turns into kind of a war memory, honestly- I get it … when it's all said and done.
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  I love the swagger from Hasselbeck there and all of that, but- It didn't
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  Brandan: feel all that great at the time.
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  Adam: It didn't feel great at the time.
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  No, it was, less than ideal at the time, no doubt about it.
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  But with all of that said, you have the opportunity here to go up against
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  the Chiefs with a relatively healthy roster, and you're getting one of
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  the key cogs that you need back, two of the key cogs that you need back
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  offensively, to just string together just a tiny bit more consistency.
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  Eliminate one to two mistakes a game, and this game is absolutely winnable.
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  Now, if you don't play clean football and you turn it over two plus times, Chiefs
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  win this all day and it's not even close
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  Brandan: While we're still on the Chiefs defense, should we talk about
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  the secondary a little bit?
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  Because y- we have this receiver, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, I think
• 19:51
  fans are familiar with him.
• 19:53
  Yeah … he's- Adam: He's all right … Brandan: he's, in, in another stat that talks
• 19:58
  about how good JSN has been this year, when targeting Jaxon downfield 10
• 20:03
  plus air yards, he has had 23 of 32 passes completed for 484 yards, and
• 20:14
  that 484 yards, Adam- Yeah … is 64% of the team's total downfield yardage.
• 20:21
  64%.
• 20:23
  He is the only player over 60%, and one of only four in the NFL over 50%.
• 20:31
  Adam: Yeah, he's been absolutely dominant and it's not sustainable.
• 20:34
  We can't live here where it's all JSN, no doubt about it.
• 20:39
  But it's a little like the Chiefs we can't laugh at right now.
• 20:41
  Brandan: We, we said it all last season that it's not sustainable, and then we
• 20:43
  went to the Super Bowl and won it.
• 20:44
  No, it, it, it would- Adam: Yeah, but also, too, it changed from being Jas- Jaxon
• 20:49
  centric to- Running the football
• 20:51
  running the football, like when people decided that they were gonna
• 20:53
  try to take him away and really commit the resources to that.
• 20:57
  I…
• 20:58
  So we do the Blue Friday bets, right?
• 21:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:01
  And I'm gonna be betting on JSN to have a big game, not just because he's lit
• 21:05
  it up, you know, pretty much every week i- this entire season and all of last year.
• 21:11
  The reason I'm doing it is this Chiefs defense plays a lot of man, and
• 21:16
  Spags, s- you know, he blitzes, man.
• 21:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:18
  Like, he's bringing, he's gonna bring heat.
• 21:21
  He's gonna have a lot of opportunities to beat single coverage, man coverage,
• 21:26
  and he can, he could torch anybody.
• 21:28
  I don't care if they still had McDuffie and Watson, their two corners from last
• 21:32
  year that are now the last place, division in the division Rams players.
• 21:37
  But, you know, these, these new guys, the, the rookie is,
• 21:41
  Delane's the rookie, right?
• 21:42
  Brandan: Delane, yeah.
• 21:43
  Adam: Delane?
• 21:44
  Okay.
• 21:44
  Yeah, and then Nohl Williams, like, look, good luck, boys.
• 21:48
  If they wanna match you up one on one, it could look very different.
• 21:53
  And also, too, if you kind of look at who the Chiefs have played to
• 21:57
  this point, like, those corners have held up, but against who?
• 22:03
  Brandan: I, I think Delane has been pretty good this season.
• 22:07
  Adam: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Brandan: Now he- they've given him a lot of help over the top.
• 22:12
  I was looking at the, the, when he had split safety coverage
• 22:16
  that, Mansoor Delane.
• 22:20
  So that combination, he's, only allowed three receptions
• 22:24
  for, five yards on 58 snaps, which is, is a pretty wild stat.
• 22:32
  A- and so you expect that that's what they're gonna do.
• 22:36
  Now the Chief's defense hasn't exactly faced JSN.
• 22:39
  In fact, that's one of the things I look at this Chief's team, Adam.
• 22:42
  Adam: Mm-hmm.
• 22:43
  Brandan: Who have they played this year?
• 22:46
  Adam: Well, they played, the Broncos.
• 22:49
  Brandan: They played the Broncos.
• 22:50
  They played Miami.
• 22:52
  Adam: Yeah, the Dolphins.
• 22:53
  They've played, I have to look- Played Brandan:
• 22:56
  another scrub team, and then they played
• 22:58
  the Raiders … here, I'll look it up.
• 22:58
  I'll find it real quick.
• 22:59
  Adam: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Brandan: Then the Raiders won.
• 23:01
  It was, gosh, I think each team scored 30 points.
• 23:05
  Adam: It was 30-27, Chiefs, Raiders, with Chiefs obviously-
• 23:09
  Okay … prevailing there.
• 23:10
  But Broncos, Broncos, Colts, Dolphins, Raiders- Raiders
• 23:13
  Chargers.
• 23:14
  And let's see, three of those five teams are about ready to have a
• 23:19
  fire sale, and, get rid of their, a lot of their talent and try to
• 23:23
  start over because they're that bad.
• 23:25
  Now, the Chiefs have been a part of that, right?
• 23:27
  Like, they've handed all those teams Ls.
• 23:29
  It's not like y- you don't have to go out there and actually play.
• 23:33
  Brandan: Right.
• 23:33
  But I think of those teams and I go, okay, well, Nohl Williams is,
• 23:37
  he's only allowed 34 per, 35% completion percentage when targeting him.
• 23:43
  I, I had that stat about Delane.
• 23:45
  I will say the Chiefs fans are, very scared of the fact that we could line
• 23:52
  up JSN in the slot and go against Sneed.
• 23:57
  Th- they, they don't like that matchup at all.
• 23:59
  Adam: Really?
• 23:59
  But- That's interesting, 'cause that's the name that you know, right?
• 24:02
  Like, for most of us fans when we're looking at this.
• 24:04
  Yeah.
• 24:05
  It, it, yeah, L'Jarius Sneed has been a player for a long time.
• 24:08
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 24:08
  Adam: Like a good one.
• 24:09
  Brandan: He hasn't been good.
• 24:10
  Adam: Hasn't been good, interesting.
• 24:11
  Okay.
• 24:12
  Well, or- ESPN has him as questionable anyways.
• 24:15
  Brandan: They have a, a few injuries that is going to, injuries that'll be
• 24:21
  concerning for them Especially on the offensive side of the ball, because
• 24:26
  Jaylon Moore, their right tackle, he's got a concussion that he's dealing with.
• 24:33
  They're down to l- left tackle number two, so the edges for Patrick
• 24:39
  Mahomes could be interesting.
• 24:41
  And, Mahomes going up against a pretty good defense.
• 24:45
  And so you gotta imagine that if you're down to left tackle two and
• 24:50
  right tackle two, sure, rushing off the edge isn't the Seahawks' greatest
• 24:54
  strength, but Mike Macdonald has shown he's found ways to take advantage of
• 24:59
  match-ups, and it's not like we have slouches coming off the edges either.
• 25:03
  Adam: No, we do not have slouches in…
• 25:05
  Look, Benson, the undrafted kid who's played at left tackle has
• 25:09
  had a nice season to this point.
• 25:10
  No doubt about it.
• 25:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:11
  He hasn't faced this sort of defense.
• 25:13
  I mean, they faced the Broncos, and we just talked about Bonitto and, you know, Que
• 25:17
  Robinson and what they can do to people.
• 25:19
  They managed to get the victory there.
• 25:21
  I guess they did fe- face Maxx Crosby as well with the Raiders.
• 25:24
  So they, I mean, they've seen some high-end talent here and still
• 25:27
  have been able to get it done.
• 25:29
  But the reason they've been able to do that is they take the seam out of all
• 25:32
  those pass rushers by running the hell out of the football with Kenneth Walker.
• 25:35
  Like, th- they're not making…
• 25:37
  I've never seen an Andy Reid offense that has looked anything like this
• 25:42
  with the way that they run the football with multiple- Yeah … tight
• 25:44
  ends and- Even with Shady, right?
• 25:46
  Brandan: The, Shady McCoy.
• 25:48
  Adam: Yeah, Shady or Brian Westbrook or…
• 25:50
  I mean, you can go down the list, right?
• 25:52
  Brandan: Mm-hmm.
• 25:52
  Adam: Like, I've never seen Andy Reid lean into this the way that he has,
• 25:57
  and it makes a ton of sense, right?
• 25:58
  You have a, the Super Bowl MVP in Kenneth Walker, who's fricking awesome.
• 26:01
  The interior of your offensive line is fricking s- stacked, right?
• 26:06
  I mean, you know, Creed Humphrey and, Trey Smith and, Sua
• 26:11
  Matua or however you say his name.
• 26:13
  I always get all the- You nailed it.
• 26:15
  Did I?
• 26:15
  I don't- Yeah.
• 26:16
  … feel like I nailed it.
• 26:17
  Yeah.
• 26:17
  But they're, they're very good, right?
• 26:20
  And he says, "Look, Pat's coming off of an ACL.
• 26:23
  We don't want him running around.
• 26:25
  We don't want him taking hits.
• 26:26
  Well, guess what?
• 26:27
  We're gonna hand the ball off or we're gonna jelly it right down
• 26:29
  their throat," and they've been doing it, and they've been doing it
• 26:31
  in a thousand different ways, too.
• 26:33
  I mean, they've been running power, they've been running counter,
• 26:35
  they've been running outside zone, mid zone, inside zone, from the gun.
• 26:38
  They are doing it all, and we haven't seen if those tackles can hold
• 26:45
  up if the run is getting stopped.
• 26:48
  And look, this Seattle defense, I think they know a thing
• 26:52
  or two about Kenneth Walker.
• 26:54
  Brandan: They know a thing or two about Kenneth Walker.
• 26:56
  They've also, the Chiefs have been using K9 to, to bounce it outside
• 27:01
  at a pretty good clip this year.
• 27:04
  42 rushes for 316 yards running outside zone.
• 27:09
  Sh- Seven and a half yards per carry, which is a, a pretty wild stat The
• 27:16
  Seahawks though have allowed just 3.3
• 27:19
  yards per carry, which is the seventh lowest in the NFL and you have to think
• 27:26
  that with what we have up the middle with the tendencies of K9 to try and
• 27:32
  bounce it out I think that this matches up well, and I know we've had that stat
• 27:38
  drilled into our brains of, oh, this team hasn't allowed 100 yard plus rusher for
• 27:44
  30 plus games, 35 I think we're up to.
• 27:47
  Adam: Yeah.
• 27:48
  Brandan: And a motivated Kenneth Walker,
• 27:50
  could he come in and get it done against this defense?
• 27:55
  Adam: Could the emotion of this game for
• 27:57
  Kenneth Walker also hurt him a little bit too?
• 27:59
  Like, I mean, we talk about motivated Kenneth Walker, chips on
• 28:02
  his shoulder, all that stuff.
• 28:04
  I mean, it's, to me, it's a little difficult to have a chip on your
• 28:08
  shoulder when it seems fairly evident that unless you would have handed
• 28:12
  him, like, a Saquon contract, like, he wasn't necessarily wanting to sign
• 28:16
  back up here just because of having to split carries and that sort of thing.
• 28:20
  So, I mean, it's about as much on Ken that he's not here as it is John Schneider.
• 28:25
  Brandan: You know.
• 28:26
  Well, we found out this week it is a little bit on John Schneider
• 28:28
  'cause he didn't even offer him a contract ahead of free agency last
• 28:31
  year, according to the article by Michael-Shawn Dugar this past week.
• 28:36
  Adam: So you're looking at the cap, you're gonna sign Shaheed, you're, you're gonna
• 28:39
  Brandan: extend Spoon, you're gonna extend
• 28:40
  Jason- I don't know if we were gonna sign Shaheed.
• 28:42
  It wa- Because that didn't happen until shortly…
• 28:46
  That wasn't one of those day of free agency signings either.
• 28:50
  Adam: So- No, but I don't think Shaheed was ever gonna be a day one free agent.
• 28:55
  Like, he was gonna be in that second wave-
• 28:57
  Brandan: Sure … Adam: pretty much no matter what.
• 28:59
  And at the end of the day, like,
• 29:02
  you can't pay everybody, and I understand the notion
• 29:06
  that you don't wanna pay running backs.
• 29:07
  Would I have rather kept Kenneth Walker?
• 29:09
  Yes.
• 29:09
  Is he not here?
• 29:10
  Yes.
• 29:10
  Is it time to move on?
• 29:11
  For sure.
• 29:12
  He is a Chief.
• 29:13
  He'll show up on Sunday and we get to try to shut him down, and that's
• 29:17
  one thing that they haven't seen.
• 29:19
  They haven't seen a defense that absolutely smothers you in the run game.
• 29:23
  And we all know Ken loves to get to the edge.
• 29:26
  This team does not allow you to get to the edge with any sort of regularity.
• 29:30
  The- Yeah … number one thing that is gonna determine, the number two
• 29:33
  thing that's gonna determine this game, number one's gonna be turnovers
• 29:36
  and number two is gonna be tackling.
• 29:39
  If this Seahawks team can tackle the, the way that they do against Kenneth Walker,
• 29:44
  it's gonna make the Chiefs one-handed, and Mahomes can still go out there
• 29:47
  and beat the pants off of you, but the receiving core is depleted without
• 29:50
  Tyquan Thornton and, look, looking like without, Rashee Rice as well.
• 29:55
  Brandan: I'm surprised you even mentioned Tyquan Thornton's name.
• 29:59
  He feels like a who guy to me.
• 30:01
  Adam: You know, he catches some deep stuff.
• 30:03
  Like, who was that one dude for the Ravens that caught the big ball in
• 30:06
  the playoffs against the Broncos?
• 30:09
  Like, that's who he reminds me of.
• 30:10
  I can't think of his name for the life of me, but- Gosh
• 30:12
  Yeah.
• 30:14
  I don't know why- But just kind of a one Brandan: trick pony … I don't know
• 30:15
  why Rashod Bateman is the, the first name that comes to mind, but I don't
• 30:18
  think it was him Adam: There m- he might be on a Rashod Bateman kind of level.
• 30:21
  Like, that, that's fine for me.
• 30:23
  It's gonna be a lot tougher for this Chiefs team if they have
• 30:26
  to rely on just the pass game.
• 30:28
  Kelce's having a little bit of a renaissance year.
• 30:31
  Like, I think he's looked a little bit better this year.
• 30:33
  It looked like he was getting to the washed level last year.
• 30:36
  He's kinda turned it around a little bit here.
• 30:39
  But if the Seahawks can tackle…
• 30:40
  'Cause Ken is, Ken has forced the most missed tackles in the entire league.
• 30:45
  By a lot.
• 30:46
  And I think it's by, like, six.
• 30:47
  Yeah.
• 30:48
  Yeah.
• 30:48
  By a lot.
• 30:49
  And look, if you can, if you can be the team that you are and the Seahawks
• 30:54
  and have a clean tackling game and not turn the ball over, this starts
• 30:58
  to look very different than I think what most people feel like going in.
• 31:02
  Is this a slam dunk?
• 31:03
  No.
• 31:03
  Is the Chiefs, are the Chiefs damn good?
• 31:05
  Hell yeah.
• 31:06
  Like, the, you could lose this game pretty easy, but there is a path to victory.
• 31:11
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 31:11
  He's, he's caused a lot of missed tackles, but also I saw Ernest Jones
• 31:16
  only had one missed tackle to this point in the season, too, so a good tackling
• 31:22
  team, and that's why I kinda go back to who of the Chiefs played defensively.
• 31:28
  The Broncos would, would be the best- Mm-hmm … of the, of the bunch.
• 31:33
  But I look at a lot of those other defenses, and I don't
• 31:35
  see anybody super scary.
• 31:37
  So I think the, yeah- Adam: They hung 31 on the Broncos.
• 31:44
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Adam: Yeah
• 31:47
  Brandan: That's pretty good.
• 31:49
  Adam: It's a lot of points.
• 31:50
  I feel like the offense is gonna have to score 27 points at
• 31:53
  least to win this football game.
• 31:56
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 31:57
  Adam: It's interesting- Against a damn good
• 31:59
  defense … Brandan: Mahomes has struggled in
• 32:01
  recent years, well, at least the last two match-ups, that he's lost each of
• 32:05
  his last two match-ups, against Houston and, Philly in the…
• 32:13
  When, when facing the NFL's top defense.
• 32:16
  And 2025, the Texans, well, I guess, they, they were top at the time when
• 32:22
  they faced them, 'cause they ended up at the season number two behind us.
• 32:26
  But then the, the Eagles defense was number one when they played them.
• 32:30
  Adam: Mm-hmm.
• 32:31
  Brandan: And that was the last…
• 32:32
  Those are the last two times that he's faced the league's top defense.
• 32:36
  And I, I like…
• 32:39
  It's just a stat that I like, that gives me hope.
• 32:42
  Adam: If the tackling is clean, and they're able to, you know, keep Ken to
• 32:47
  75 to 90 yards on the day, right?
• 32:51
  That being the first part of the formula.
• 32:54
  And then the second part of the thing, you know it's going right if
• 32:56
  you see Pat trying to- Not scramble to throw, but scramble to run.
• 33:02
  That's when you know that, like, the Chiefs, or he feels like the Chiefs
• 33:06
  are in trouble and have no answers.
• 33:07
  Right.
• 33:08
  'Cause that, that's when he busts that out, and it's usually about
• 33:10
  the last thing that he does.
• 33:12
  He almost only saves it for the playoffs as well.
• 33:14
  But we've seen him look mortal against really good defenses, and this
• 33:18
  defense is fantastic about keeping the quarterback contained in the pocket
• 33:22
  as a whole, and being disciplined in the rush lanes and working together.
• 33:27
  So it's gonna be hard for him to find those opportunities as well.
• 33:31
  Plus then I think about our secondary matching up against this wide
• 33:35
  receiving corps for the Chiefs, and that's definitely advantage Seahawks.
• 33:39
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Xavier Worthy, I feel like that match up with Devon Witherspoon, if
• 33:44
  that's, that's who I would decide to put on Worthy if, if I had to pick.
• 33:48
  And then- Yeah, probably
• 33:50
  none of the receivers after that give me any…
• 33:54
  Receiving-wise, then it would be Kelce.
• 33:58
  Yeah.
• 33:58
  But, I feel like, I, I wonder how much of the underneath stuff that they're going
• 34:04
  to allow early of to where Mahomes is just, okay, take the quick, easy option.
• 34:11
  Hmm.
• 34:11
  There's Kelce for five, six, seven yards, before they start taking that away.
• 34:16
  'Cause it seemed like they were leaving that open for Nicks in
• 34:19
  the first half early on, which allowed some of those longer drives,
• 34:23
  their touchdown drives, and before shutting it down in the second half.
• 34:28
  Adam: I mean, that's Mike's philosophy, right?
• 34:30
  We're gonna play a lot of two high, a lot of shell coverage, a lot of cover six.
• 34:34
  Like, that's something that we, we play a lot this year.
• 34:37
  I think we're leading the league in, running cover six.
• 34:40
  Yep, 25%.
• 34:40
  Brandan: And Pat has n- Adam: yeah, and Pat hasn't had the greatest,
• 34:44
  success against cover six as well.
• 34:46
  So that'll be interesting to see that cat and mouse game.
• 34:48
  But I do suspect that there's gonna be a fair amount of the dink and dunk stuff
• 34:53
  left underneath, rally to the football tackle, make them beat you through
• 34:57
  an execution of 13 consecutive plays without a mistake, that sort of thing.
• 35:02
  I think the one thing that scares me the most, or second most about this,
• 35:07
  Chiefs offense is the screen game.
• 35:10
  And that's something Mike's talked about this week a
• 35:12
  little bit in his pressers too.
• 35:14
  I imagine that they're gonna have a plan.
• 35:16
  Now is that plan gonna be good enough for somebody like Andy Reid who can
• 35:21
  really scheme these sort of things up?
• 35:24
  Brandan: I'm chuckling a little bit 'cause I just saw the headline to this slide.
• 35:30
  Adam: I'm glad you liked it.
• 35:31
  Brandan: Can Chiefs handle the D?
• 35:33
  Adam: Can they handle the D?
• 35:34
  I don't know.
• 35:35
  I don't know if, Mahomes can handle this D.
• 35:38
  It's a lot of D.
• 35:39
  Brandan: It's a lot of D to worry about.
• 35:41
  Yeah.
• 35:41
  And, I think it can be a little overwhelming for most
• 35:44
  people, including Patrick Mahomes.
• 35:46
  I'd like to see him- Yeah, I've made a- … overwhelmed by this D.
• 35:48
  Adam: Yeah.
• 35:49
  He, he could be overwhelmed by the D.
• 35:51
  Look, at, at the end of the day, I, I've made a promise to myself that I am going
• 35:54
  to make it a point to try to slip in some, snarky-ass jokes in at least
• 35:59
  one of the graphic slides per episode.
• 36:01
  Like, that's, that's my goal.
• 36:03
  Brandan: That's gonna be like Where, Where's Waldo for me.
• 36:05
  How, where do I find- Yeah … the snarky titled slide?
• 36:07
  Adam: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:08
  Or even just, you know, like, you know, just a little crybaby
• 36:11
  [catfish] pass underneath a player.
• 36:13
  You know, something like that.
• 36:14
  Yeah.
• 36:14
  Like I did with, Sean Payton, you know?
• 36:16
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 36:17
  That's good.
• 36:20
  Other matchups in this game.
• 36:21
  Oh, one other stat that gave me a little bit of hope, and, well, not that I
• 36:27
  need a ton of hope, but, this matchup between the Chiefs and the Seahawks, it's
• 36:34
  the NFL's rushing yards leader in K9 and the NFL's receiving yards leader in JSN
• 36:41
  just the second time since 2020 that those two leaders have faced off, and, it
• 36:48
  just so happens the last time was Jonathan Taylor and the Colts against JSN in 2025.
• 36:56
  The receiving leader's team has won each of the last three matchups, Adam.
• 37:01
  Adam: That's interesting, and you do have two offenses that appear to be one player
• 37:07
  centric right now- Mm-hmm … whether that's K9 or JSN for Brandan: two weeks now.
• 37:11
  Yeah, 'cause Worthy, who I mentioned, I, I think is the team's leading receiver.
• 37:14
  Adam: Yeah.
• 37:15
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 37:15
  And it's, like, two- barely over 200 yards total on the season.
• 37:20
  Adam: And I was listening to some guys talk about this earlier this week as well,
• 37:25
  and, I think they were kind of more fantasy focused, but they were
• 37:28
  talking about Xavier Worthy and they're like, "Yeah, he looks great during
• 37:32
  the scripted plays in, like, the first quarter, and then by the time the fourth
• 37:35
  quarter comes around, he's garbage."
• 37:37
  I almost lean toward our other receiving options and kind of- I kind
• 37:44
  of like those a little bit better, but we haven't really seen AJ Barner.
• 37:47
  We haven't- That's gotta Brandan: change It's got to, right?
• 37:52
  Adam: It's gotta change.
• 37:53
  What are we doing?
• 37:54
  Did AJ Barner just suddenly suck?
• 37:56
  I doubt it.
• 37:57
  Like, I don't think that fur coat zapped his powers as a
• 38:00
  tight end this off-season, right?
• 38:02
  Like, I think he's a, still a damn good tight end.
• 38:05
  We gotta start getting him going and start spreading the ball around a little bit.
• 38:10
  And they're starting Brandan: to get- Is it just because of where he is in the
• 38:13
  progression of a lot of these routes to where Sam just doesn't get there?
• 38:18
  Adam: I haven't figured it out yet, and I need to go back and, and really just study
• 38:21
  Barner, like, every snap to see, like, is he just not getting separation?
• 38:25
  Is it, is he the sacrificial receiver like most reps?
• 38:30
  Like, what is going on here?
• 38:31
  Brandan: That was just in watching, 'cause one of the things, we, we've gotten
• 38:34
  a lot of Kurt Warner, looking at our offense on his YouTube videos.
• 38:39
  A lot- Yeah … and, and some of the other quarterbacks, too,
• 38:41
  that do some of the breakdowns.
• 38:44
  And when they, that was just the only thing that occurred to me is,
• 38:47
  is where he is in the progression to where he's not gonna be one of the
• 38:51
  first two guys that Sam looks to.
• 38:55
  And because the, we've been giving up quite a bit of pressure, that he
• 39:00
  just hasn't been able to get to him.
• 39:01
  And yeah, and let, but why can't you run plays, too, that, where AJ Barner is one
• 39:09
  of the first two guys in the progression?
• 39:11
  Adam: I think you can if it's based out of play action.
• 39:14
  Mm.
• 39:14
  And since we can't run the football, now the play action doesn't work- Yeah
• 39:17
  which means that AJ Barner's not involved.
• 39:19
  It just all goes back to the same exact- Stupid Brandan: running Adam: game … thing.
• 39:24
  And it's, it's solvable.
• 39:26
  The horses are coming.
• 39:27
  We're gonna get Jadarian back the following week.
• 39:30
  And I know you're gonna hear the narrative going to this, "Oh, three
• 39:35
  and three Seahawks, this is a must-win.
• 39:37
  It's a must-win."
• 39:39
  This is not a must-win.
• 39:40
  I'm just g- You, you, the next two games- Brandan: But I really, really
• 39:44
  Adam: want to win Yes, thousand percent.
• 39:46
  My dad's a massive Chiefs fan, man.
• 39:48
  I can't live with this if we, if we lose to the Chiefs, right?
• 39:51
  Like, at the end of the day, they have to win one of the next two
• 39:55
  games between Chiefs and Bears.
• 39:58
  You need to be four and four coming out of this stretch with your backs
• 40:01
  getting healthy, and then make your run.
• 40:04
  Like, that's, that's what you need to be.
• 40:06
  And I would almost rather that win be against the Bears if
• 40:10
  you're not gonna win them both.
• 40:11
  And which they could.
• 40:12
  I mean, that's not, it's Brandan: not out of the realm- If you were gonna pick one
• 40:15
  because they're NFC, it could come down to playoff seeding and- Mm-hmm
• 40:20
  yeah, and conference record and tiebreakers, I suppose if, if you could-
• 40:26
  If you could choose ahead of time, then knowing that you, you have to pick one
• 40:30
  to lose, okay, I guess I'd pick this one.
• 40:33
  But- Yeah … I want both.
• 40:35
  I wanna win both.
• 40:36
  And then- And then you've lost four Adam: or
• 40:37
  five Brandan: And then beat- And blah, blah, blah
• 40:38
  and then beat the Cardinals, and then you would go into the bye week
• 40:41
  with only three losses, and six and three, and then I'd feel pretty good.
• 40:45
  Adam: Yeah.
• 40:46
  That, that, that'd be pretty sweet.
• 40:48
  But look, man, I think that there's an absolute chance that
• 40:51
  they win this football game.
• 40:53
  And it'll be interesting to see win, lose or draw out of this.
• 40:59
  I, I guess this would be the question.
• 41:01
  If they win this football game, is John more likely to get involved in
• 41:06
  trying to bring in another player?
• 41:08
  If you lose this game- Mm … does it mean that he's less likely?
• 41:11
  Does that…
• 41:12
  Is that how this works?
• 41:14
  Because we saw John last year when he looked at this team
• 41:17
  and went, "You know what?
• 41:18
  We've got a shot.
• 41:19
  I'm gonna go get me a Shaheed."
• 41:21
  And so he did.
• 41:22
  Sure.
• 41:22
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Got Shaheed.
• 41:24
  I…
• 41:25
  And they weren't in that position to where you felt like they need it.
• 41:30
  Well, I guess when you looked at special teams last year and, and with
• 41:35
  H- once Horton went down, although they got Shaheed before we got the…
• 41:39
  Well, it's kind of a gray area because did they know Horton was
• 41:43
  hurt enough before he went on IR?
• 41:47
  Adam: Yeah.
• 41:47
  He was definitely injured, but maybe not on IR yet.
• 41:50
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 41:50
  He wasn't, because I think it was right after the Commander's
• 41:53
  game that they got Shaheed.
• 41:54
  It was r- after the big…
• 41:56
  'Cause that's the…
• 41:58
  You're looking at that going, "Well, we just had Horton have this y- breakout
• 42:01
  game, and now we're bringing in Shaheed."
• 42:05
  But it turned out that that was really necessary going down the stretch.
• 42:10
  So, do you want to, do you wanna move on from this game and talk
• 42:14
  about potential trade options?
• 42:19
  Adam: You know what?
• 42:19
  So 45 minutes into this, man, and it all goes back to the, what?
• 42:24
  First 10 seconds of this pod it feels like.
• 42:26
  It's like, "Don't turn ball over, win game."
• 42:28
  Like, so yeah, I think so.
• 42:30
  I think I'm ready to move on, unless you're not.
• 42:32
  Unless you got more, man.
• 42:33
  Brandan: No, it's, it's just that easy,
• 42:37
  and it's frustrating that it's that easy in these
• 42:42
  match-ups where, yeah, y- you could…
• 42:45
  A- and if they lose this game coming on Sunday, that, that's probably
• 42:51
  what we're gonna look back to.
• 42:53
  I almost hope that it's something different, to Adam: where- If they, if they
• 42:56
  were to lose, you hope that it's, like, a different Brandan: reason … that it's not
• 42:59
  turnovers, that it's just something else.
• 43:03
  Adam: No, because now you're whack-a-mole-ing.
• 43:05
  I suppose Like, you yeah.
• 43:07
  Hey, let's, let's Brandan: keep the- Could it just be the turnovers?
• 43:09
  Okay.
• 43:09
  Yeah, just the Adam: one problem- Let- … that we're trying to fix … let's
• 43:11
  Brandan: just tr- let's just not turn the ball over and win the game then.
• 43:13
  It's, it's, it's that Adam: eas- Sounds like a plan to me … it's that easy.
• 43:16
  Yeah.
• 43:16
  [catfish].
• 43:17
  The Chiefs, let's do that.
• 43:18
  That, that'd be Brandan: great So with the,
• 43:23
  w- with that idea in mind that John Schneider
• 43:27
  could go and make something happen, I get a sense from fans that if we were to lose
• 43:33
  this game that they would lean more toward the idea of why go out and do anything?
• 43:39
  You're, you've got four losses.
• 43:41
  Mm.
• 43:41
  The season's, it's, it's feeling like a, a lost cause at four losses.
• 43:47
  I don't think John Schneider would feel that way.
• 43:48
  I, I know Mike Macdonald wouldn't feel that way, and there are some
• 43:53
  teams out there- Mm … that have some interesting pieces, Adam.
• 43:56
  Adam: There are.
• 43:57
  And look, e- if you did lose this game, look, there, two of the four
• 44:00
  divisions in the NFC are a fricking mess.
• 44:03
  You know, whether that's the, the East or, the South.
• 44:08
  So it doesn't take a lot to be able to get one of those wildcard spots.
• 44:12
  So even if you lose this game, yeah, I'd say let's go forth.
• 44:15
  Let's try to, you know, get into the dance because if you can get into the
• 44:19
  dance and, like, build on some things, maybe make a, a swing here at the trade
• 44:23
  deadline that, you know, increases your odds of success here, like let's do it.
• 44:29
  Let's see if we can run this thing forward.
• 44:31
  That, that's the way that I'd wanna do it rather than be like, "Oh, I don't
• 44:34
  want to," especially since we've got a
• 44:36
  zillion draft picks next Brandan: year It makes
• 44:38
  sense to maybe give one of those up if you can get a critical player at a position
• 44:44
  of need, or just to add some depth.
• 44:47
  I see some players at positions of need and interesting depth pieces.
• 44:53
  I'm looking at, some of the names on the screen, Adam, some familiar names.
• 44:57
  The Eagles- Yeah … I see you put Riq Woolen up here
• 45:00
  as a possible trade candidate.
• 45:01
  Adam: Listen, I, like, you know, I mean, Eagles are about ready to sell it all,
• 45:05
  and he's on a one-year deal, right?
• 45:07
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Would you rather have…
• 45:08
  Say the, the draft pick compensation is the same.
• 45:13
  Say y- you're looking at maybe, I don't know, a third or fourth
• 45:17
  rounder, and you call up the Eagles and they say, "Oh yeah, we, we'd
• 45:21
  like a third or a fourth rounder."
• 45:23
  Take your pick, Saquon or Riq.
• 45:26
  Adam: Who you picking?
• 45:27
  Oh, Saquon all day.
• 45:28
  I, I have zero interest in bringing Riq back.
• 45:30
  Okay.
• 45:31
  Like, me personally.
• 45:31
  But I put him on there because I know a lot of people do have that interest.
• 45:35
  I think Pritchett's playing well enough for sure, and- I Brandan: think it's a
• 45:38
  discussion because Saquon- Yeah … you worry about some injury factor.
• 45:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:42
  Riq you worry about the physicality factor and the run game- The mentals
• 45:47
  which feels incompatible, but, yeah, I, I'd have a hard time thinking that they
• 45:53
  would just go ahead and take Riq back.
• 45:56
  Adam: Yeah, especially, the…
• 45:58
  For, like, a sixth?
• 45:59
  Okay.
• 46:00
  Like, I, I don't, I don't think Riq fetches anything
• 46:03
  close to a third or a fourth.
• 46:05
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 46:06
  He started out okay.
• 46:08
  Adam: Yeah, I know, but he- the league told you what they think of him with
• 46:12
  Brandan: the one year- One year deal, yeah
• 46:14
  Adam: yeah, not a lot of money deal.
• 46:16
  And Saquon, like, you're not relying on him necessarily to be
• 46:21
  that dude all the time, right?
• 46:24
  Brandan: The Jonathan Taylor name is very intriguing to me because he's a guy that
• 46:29
  they just paid in Indianapolis, and- Mm-hmm … I know a lot of people look
• 46:34
  at that and go, "Well, they wouldn't pay Canine, so why would they wanna
• 46:37
  bring in a Jonathan Taylor contract?"
• 46:40
  Adam: Yeah, that's my thought.
• 46:41
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 46:41
  And I, I…
• 46:44
  Oh yeah, I, I think that's why it sounded so familiar.
• 46:46
  I, I heard that from me talking to you yesterday.
• 46:49
  Yeah.
• 46:50
  And- I, I wonder if, if John Schneider had known that he was getting a top
• 47:01
  three, four back in the league, because when I think of the top four backs,
• 47:06
  I think of Bijan Robinson, I think of Jonathan Taylor, I think of Derrick Henry.
• 47:10
  Adam: Although- Ken Brandan: Walker … a- and, well, Kenneth Walker now, but if you
• 47:15
  would've asked me that in the off season- Mm … I wouldn't have…
• 47:18
  I, I probably would've put Saquon ahead of him.
• 47:20
  Yeah.
• 47:21
  I…
• 47:22
  Gosh, and w- is there anybody else that I'm forgetting about that belongs- Oh,
• 47:26
  geez … kind of in the top five category?
• 47:28
  But, you know, that top four is- Adam: Those are the…
• 47:31
  Brandan: Yeah … is pretty solid to Adam: me … those are the names.
• 47:33
  Yeah.
• 47:34
  Yeah.
• 47:35
  No, those would definitely be the guys.
• 47:36
  So between Saquon and Jonathan Taylor, I, I'm much more
• 47:40
  interested in Jonathan Taylor.
• 47:41
  I love his style.
• 47:42
  Cool.
• 47:42
  Yeah.
• 47:43
  Brandan: Way more.
• 47:43
  Like, yeah.
• 47:44
  He, he feels like- He's had some injuries too- Mm-hmm … but not to the level of
• 47:51
  injuries that we've seen out of Saquon.
• 47:54
  The other thing about Taylor is you do- you would get him for
• 47:56
  multiple years at a fairly, what I would call reasonable amount.
• 48:02
  Because, you, you look at this, and this is if he were to be traded,
• 48:07
  and the Seahawks would get him.
• 48:09
  He- they'd take on a $6 million cap hit this year, definitely within the
• 48:14
  amount of cap that they have available.
• 48:16
  27 would be 16 million.
• 48:19
  28, 18 million, and that's relatively similar to what I think Canine's at
• 48:27
  15 for each of the next two years.
• 48:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 48:30
  Jonathan Taylor's been much more consistent over his career, to
• 48:35
  w- and yeah, to where I would be a lot more comfortable if, if Jonathan
• 48:41
  Taylor were on this team last year, and the same thing would've happened
• 48:45
  if, even if he was splitting carries with Charves, but he goes on to be MVP.
• 48:50
  Like this is the type of contract that I would've said in the off-season that
• 48:53
  it's a no-brainer, and it, it feel…
• 48:57
  That's why it feels like it's a no-brainer with Canine because you
• 49:00
  look at the production through this part of the season and you go, "Oh
• 49:03
  yeah, well, I would've done that."
• 49:05
  But we didn't know for sure that this is what we see from Canine
• 49:10
  through the first six games.
• 49:12
  Adam: We didn't know that, and then kind of go back to the John thing
• 49:14
  that I, I wanted to mention about him not offering him a contract.
• 49:17
  So like you're, you're not…
• 49:18
  He seemed dead set he wasn't gonna pay that kind of money for a back, right?
• 49:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:23
  So if that's the case, then why would you make him an insulting
• 49:26
  offer of like 8 million?
• 49:28
  Like- Sure … sure, you might as well just not give him an offer, which,
• 49:31
  you know- Right … that's fine by me.
• 49:33
  But I'm glad that you pulled this up because when we talked about this the
• 49:36
  other day, you said, "Ah, I think it wouldn't be as bad as you think in
• 49:39
  terms of the cap," and holy smokes, a $6 million cat hit, cap hit for this year?
• 49:46
  Mm.
• 49:46
  Sign me up all day.
• 49:47
  Like what would this cost you?
• 49:49
  A third?
• 49:52
  Brandan: A second?
• 49:53
  I was thinking probably a second based on the contract and- Yeah, where Taylor's at.
• 50:01
  I've, I've heard some people speculate too that maybe the Colts would want a running
• 50:06
  back in return Adam: and- Brandan: Sweet …
• 50:09
  yeah, if it's, well, if it's Wilson, for sure.
• 50:13
  Adam: I've got an Emanuel Wilson right here for you boys.
• 50:16
  Brandan: Then you're definitely gonna have to
• 50:17
  pay a two if you're throwing Emanuel Wilson in.
• 50:19
  Adam: Fine by me, man.
• 50:21
  Like Colts aren't going anywhere.
• 50:22
  They're firing everybody.
• 50:23
  Brandan: And Charbonnet's getting to the last year of his contract too, right?
• 50:26
  Adam: Yes.
• 50:27
  It's gotta be really close here if Brandan: it's not this year, man.
• 50:29
  Yeah, 'cause he was drafted the year after K9.
• 50:31
  Adam: That's correct, yeah.
• 50:32
  No, you're, you're right.
• 50:33
  Yep.
• 50:34
  So yeah, maybe I would do that trade though, like Charbonnet and a
• 50:39
  third for Jonathan Taylor all day.
• 50:42
  Yeah.
• 50:42
  I'd do that all day.
• 50:43
  Because here's the thing, is that this defense isn't, especially up
• 50:50
  front, isn't exactly the youngest of bunches, and it's really difficult
• 50:55
  to keep elite defenses together, and they managed to do it this year.
• 51:00
  'Cause you'll see this oftentimes, you'll have an elite defense one year, and then
• 51:03
  it's not an elite defense the second year.
• 51:05
  Mike's a good enough coach to where he's been able to keep that
• 51:07
  level of play up with these older veterans, especially up front.
• 51:12
  Th- this window isn't infinite, right, to cash in on this defense.
• 51:17
  Yeah.
• 51:18
  This sort of trade to get somebody like Jonathan Taylor, who that would then fix
• 51:22
  your Sam Darnold problem and fix your offensive line problem all at the same
• 51:26
  time, like, yes please, all day long.
• 51:29
  I, I would do this.
• 51:30
  Let's make our run.
• 51:31
  Shoot our shot.
• 51:32
  Let's go.
• 51:33
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 51:34
  You ha- you're counting on the Colts and not having a general manager
• 51:38
  now that they fired their GM- Mm
• 51:40
  to be willing to make that kind of move, and- I'm sure they've got a guy … and
• 51:44
  that's why, so you got Jonathan Taylor.
• 51:45
  Quenton Nelson's on there.
• 51:47
  That's an interesting name at guard, you know, an All-Pro guard.
• 51:51
  DeForest Buckner, All-Pro defensive tackle.
• 51:55
  Adam: Yeah, the Buckner one, I put that on there only because it was like,
• 51:59
  do we need a DeForest Buckner?
• 52:01
  Not really, but- Brandan: No, not Adam: really … with that said, does it
• 52:05
  keep him off the 49ers potentially?
• 52:09
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 52:10
  That would be the obvious place for him to go, right?
• 52:13
  Vita Vea, get him back in the Pacific Northwest.
• 52:17
  I see his name down there for the Bucs.
• 52:20
  Kenneth Gainwell is an interesting name.
• 52:22
  Adam: Bucky Irving.
• 52:23
  I'd be- Other- I'd be curious about Bucky.
• 52:26
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 52:26
  Is he hurt now, though?
• 52:28
  Adam: Is he hurt?
• 52:28
  Oh, I didn't know that.
• 52:29
  Okay.
• 52:30
  Brandan: Well, that- I don't know.
• 52:31
  That's not the…
• 52:32
  I don't follow the Bucs close enough.
• 52:34
  Yeah.
• 52:35
  Got a lot of Chargers names on here, including quarterback Justin Herbert.
• 52:40
  Adam: I just thought it was funny.
• 52:41
  Like, and also too, with Sam playing the way that he's playing- Sure
• 52:46
  I mean, how many of you would rather see insert Justin Herbert all of a sudden?
• 52:53
  Brandan: I'm not saying no to it immediately.
• 52:54
  I'm intrigued by the idea.
• 52:56
  I just- Yeah.
• 52:58
  Adam: But it's- Salary- Brandan: Yeah … I,
• 53:00
  I haven't, I haven't even looked at what that would
• 53:02
  do to the team salary cap wise because I- that's the, the way that John Schneider
• 53:07
  has engineered this, it's for- Yeah
• 53:09
  a mid-tier quarterback that you can build a defense and, technically a
• 53:14
  run game around, which, that hasn't worked out to this point of the season.
• 53:18
  Khalil Mack is a name that, coming off the edge, like that feels like a name,
• 53:24
  and a guy that you could probably get for relatively cheap because- Mm-hmm
• 53:28
  he's on a one-year deal, he's getting up there in age, bring him
• 53:31
  on to a championship caliber team.
• 53:34
  That one to me, of all the names on here, feels like the most likely and maybe the
• 53:41
  best fit for the amount, the relative amount of draft, draft compensation.
• 53:46
  Adam: Gotcha.
• 53:47
  So I, the, the names that pop off to me are Taylor, Quenton
• 53:54
  Nelson, Khalil Mack, and Njoku.
• 53:58
  And the reason why Njoku is somebody that I think about is just with
• 54:03
  Brandan: Arroyo being hurt- He's out … I- He's on IR for the year now.
• 54:07
  Adam: Oh, for the year.
• 54:08
  Okay.
• 54:08
  Yeah.
• 54:08
  I thought maybe it was just a few week IR.
• 54:10
  Brandan: No.
• 54:10
  They said he's out for the year.
• 54:12
  Adam: Dang.
• 54:13
  So bad shoulder there.
• 54:15
  Yeah, I could see them, you know, k- really being able to use
• 54:19
  somebody of Njoku's, skill set.
• 54:22
  I, I've always liked him as a player.
• 54:24
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 54:25
  That's a good call because- We've carried
• 54:28
  Kallerup up on this roster for a lot- Mm-hmm
• 54:32
  … and, and watched him be inactive.
• 54:34
  But- Mm-hmm … have, has he, have they been stashing them for a reason,
• 54:39
  Stashing him there for a reason so now he can come in and be that
• 54:43
  breakout tight end that we just never knew that we had on the roster?
• 54:48
  Adam: Okay.
• 54:49
  I mean, maybe.
• 54:50
  He's a good blocker.
• 54:54
  So- Yeah … yeah.
• 54:56
  Brandan: Njoku would be an upgrade.
• 54:58
  Adam: He would definitely be an upgrade.
• 54:59
  But those are just some names that have been bandied about.
• 55:01
  A few of the teams that have been bandied about as being sellers at
• 55:05
  the trade deadline, you know, some other teams that might be, like the
• 55:07
  Cards come up a lot, and, I just figured it's not worth talking about
• 55:13
  the Cards at all because it's not like there's a lot of assets there that I'm
• 55:16
  interested in to begin with, and then secondly, trading with- James Conner
• 55:18
  the division.
• 55:21
  Yeah.
• 55:21
  Yeah.
• 55:22
  I don't know what this version of James Conner looks like anymore.
• 55:25
  Brandan: No, I don't either.
• 55:25
  Yeah.
• 55:28
  But that's the one name from the Cardinals that I can think of who
• 55:32
  would have a spot on this roster and be able to come in and contribute.
• 55:36
  Adam: Let me think here.
• 55:37
  Is James Conner better than Emanuel Wilson?
• 55:39
  Hell yes, he is.
• 55:40
  Let's go.
• 55:41
  I don't care if I haven't seen him in, like, a year and a half.
• 55:43
  Brandan: No, I'd take James Conner with no feet.
• 55:49
  Adam: Yeah, I think that's, I think that's fair.
• 55:51
  But interesting discussions.
• 55:53
  I know it's been bandied about Brandan: by- I'm sorry.
• 55:55
  We, we shouldn't be so hard on one of our own dudes with Emanuel
• 55:57
  Wilson, but it's been tough to watch.
• 56:00
  Adam: Whatever, man.
• 56:01
  I…
• 56:01
  It's not all sunshine and rainbows, you know?
• 56:03
  Like, i- in…
• 56:05
  If we're gonna talk about this team and be honest about it on the regular,
• 56:08
  then, you know, there's gonna be some guys that catch some strays.
• 56:11
  And it…
• 56:12
  Look, it's not just the production, it's the…
• 56:15
  Stylistically, I can't stand the style.
• 56:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 56:18
  And so that, it all comes together for me in a big puddle of nope.
• 56:23
  And I know a lot of people were excited about him, including Clinton,
• 56:26
  When they brought him in for the Packers, and I was like, "okay.
• 56:30
  Looks like a barely a dude to me, Brandan: but-" Adam: Yeah … whatever.
• 56:34
  Brandan: But he had some nice up the middle
• 56:36
  stuff when, when I saw him with the Vikings.
• 56:39
  And- Packers I thought he was with the Vikings.
• 56:42
  No, Packers.
• 56:44
  Was he with both teams?
• 56:47
  Adam: That I don't know.
• 56:48
  I know his last stop was the Packers.
• 56:52
  Brandan: Okay.
• 56:52
  Yeah.
• 56:53
  Yeah, okay, it was the Packers.
• 56:54
  Maybe it's…
• 56:56
  Maybe I'm getting him confused with another running back then.
• 56:58
  With Mason maybe?
• 56:59
  Adam: Yeah, maybe.
• 57:00
  Yeah.
• 57:01
  'Cause he, he…
• 57:02
  When he was with the Niners, that Mason kid, I was kinda
• 57:04
  like, "Hmm, that's interesting."
• 57:06
  Kind of a slasher, thumper type.
• 57:09
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 57:09
  Little bit of burst.
• 57:10
  The Niners' fans were, were not happy that they let him go either.
• 57:13
  Yeah
• 57:16
  Well, we could Adam: use- But I don't even know if they need to make
• 57:19
  any of these moves, Brandan.
• 57:20
  I think some of the answers are just naturally there waiting to come
• 57:24
  back- Yeah … and just get healthy.
• 57:26
  Brandan: Run the ball, stop turning it over.
• 57:28
  Adam: Yeah.
• 57:29
  Brandan: Win games.
• 57:30
  It's gonna make this team look a lot better.
• 57:32
  Adam: Yeah.
• 57:32
  Run ball, don't turn it over, win game.
• 57:34
  Brandan: Done.
• 57:36
  Just like Josh Dobbs saying, "See ball, get ball."
• 57:38
  Sometimes the game is just that easy.
• 57:40
  Adam: It is, it is.
• 57:41
  It's incredibly complex, complicated game, and, sometimes it's
• 57:46
  just stupid simple, and that's where we're at right now.
• 57:50
  Brandan: Well, we are at the end of the first half of the show.
• 57:54
  Let's take a quick break, come back, and get into some news from the flock, some,
• 57:59
  Do Better and Better at Life Adam.
• 58:01
  Adam: All right.
• 58:09
  Brandan: To the Arrowhead Chief podcast for having me on this week.
• 58:13
  I went on with those guys.
• 58:14
  We talked a little Seahawks, Chiefs matchup earlier on this week.
• 58:19
  It was fun.
• 58:19
  I, you know, I haven't done a ton of, other shows this year,
• 58:24
  and yeah, going on and getting to, to talk about our Seahawks and…
• 58:29
  I, I was a little bit disappointed that I didn't get to…
• 58:33
  Oh, I told you this Adam.
• 58:35
  Adam: But- Yeah, no, this is great though.
• 58:36
  You need to share this with the audience, 'cause this was hilarious.
• 58:39
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Well, sometimes shows will share the questions that they plan to ask,
• 58:43
  and it's kind of nice because then you can have some stuff prepared.
• 58:46
  Some shows, like I don't generally send questions unless somebody asks.
• 58:51
  If, if I invite someone on the show and they say, "Oh yeah, what
• 58:54
  questions do you wanna talk about?"
• 58:55
  And then it's like, okay, well I gotta prepare some, some questions
• 58:58
  now, which you know, generally it's, it's more of off the top of the head.
• 59:03
  You, you have a couple things that you might plan to ask somebody.
• 59:06
  But this was a pretty good list.
• 59:08
  One of the things that, they wanted to ask about is what the,
• 59:13
  What the Seahawks needed to do in this game to get the upset.
• 59:19
  And- Man, I wish they would've asked me that question because…
• 59:23
  Oh, I haven't looked at the line lately, but earlier in the week we
• 59:26
  were favored to win this football game.
• 59:28
  Adam: I looked yesterday, it was Hawks minus two and a half.
• 59:32
  Brandan: Okay.
• 59:32
  Yeah.
• 59:32
  That's what it was earlier in the week, so it hasn't even moved.
• 59:35
  Adam: Yeah.
• 59:36
  Or yeah, at Brandan: least at the time.
• 59:37
  Does that feel right?
• 59:38
  Does, does it feel right that we should be…
• 59:40
  Home field advantage generally you get three points, is- Adam: I think that's done
• 59:45
  Brandan: … kind of the Vegas standard, right?
• 59:47
  Adam: Yeah.
• 59:47
  Are we done with that?
• 59:47
  I don't…
• 59:48
  I think we're done with that.
• 59:49
  'Cause I, I don't think- Yeah … the home field is what it used to be.
• 59:52
  But maybe in Seattle they, they Brandan: still-
• 59:54
  Adam: Sure … make that a, a part of the line.
• 59:57
  Brandan: But- But does it feel strange that we should be favored in a matchup over…
• 1:00:00
  'Cause at first, the upset thing, it didn't hit me as hard
• 1:00:05
  because I thought, oh yeah, we…
• 1:00:07
  They're undefeated.
• 1:00:09
  But then I'm also thinking, well, we're at home and we're the Super Bowl champs.
• 1:00:14
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  And I, I kinda feel like these teams are fairly equally
• 1:00:19
  matched for this game as well.
• 1:00:21
  And it's gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out.
• 1:00:25
  And anything under three points to me is kinda like a, you know,
• 1:00:29
  pretty much even odds kinda deal.
• 1:00:31
  So, yeah, I, I feel like that line, Seahawks minus two
• 1:00:35
  and a half is, is pretty legit.
• 1:00:37
  That feels about right.
• 1:00:40
  Brandan: Who are the Rams gonna lose to this week?
• 1:00:42
  Adam: Ya ma.
• 1:00:44
  I don't know.
• 1:00:45
  Who, who's, who's next for them?
• 1:00:47
  I think it gets a little easier for them for a stretch here.
• 1:00:51
  Brandan: Oh, they play the, the Adam: Raiders- Oh, yeah
• 1:00:54
  in Vegas.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Brandan: That's, Come on, Klint- [catfish] y'all … you owe us one.
• 1:00:59
  Adam: Get it done.
• 1:01:01
  I don't think Klint's gotten tired of, beating the Rams yet,
• 1:01:04
  so, that'll be interesting.
• 1:01:06
  Rams are, or Raiders are legit this year.
• 1:01:10
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  They did put in Mendoza there at the end of the game.
• 1:01:14
  I don't know if that was just because they were getting beat so bad type
• 1:01:19
  of thing that Adam: they- I think so
• 1:01:20
  Brandan: they let him go out and take some snaps,
• 1:01:25
  but, yeah How great would that feel?
• 1:01:28
  It would, it would feel almost as good as it felt last week watching
• 1:01:32
  them lose to the Cardinals.
• 1:01:34
  Adam: I'll tell you this, if the Rams lose to the Raiders and they ring
• 1:01:39
  up their fifth Brandan: loss- Adam: Yeah … right?
• 1:01:42
  That's when I'm ready to start s- you know, putting a stake through the
• 1:01:45
  heart of this iteration of the Rams.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Like, that, that…
• 1:01:51
  'Cause at four losses, I'm not there at all.
• 1:01:53
  I'm like, "You know?"
• 1:01:54
  Brandan: Like- No … Miles Garrett could come back.
• 1:01:56
  Because they have the Chargers after that, the Commanders, the, then
• 1:01:59
  another match up with the Cardinals.
• 1:02:02
  I, I- Yeah … don't think that they're gonna go 0 and 2 against the Cardinals.
• 1:02:06
  Adam: I didn't think that they were gonna go 0 for 1 against the
• 1:02:08
  Cardinals either, so there's that.
• 1:02:11
  Brandan: But then they have the Packers and
• 1:02:12
  the Chiefs, and the Packers are playing good.
• 1:02:14
  Jordan Love is looking like the dude.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  And if the Chiefs…
• 1:02:19
  You know, they're gonna have at least one loss going into that game, but
• 1:02:23
  the, the Chiefs could, you know, put on a show against that Rams defense.
• 1:02:28
  Adam: They surely could.
• 1:02:29
  I, it…
• 1:02:31
  I mean, they're, they're one loss away from this being,
• 1:02:34
  like- Insurmountable, right?
• 1:02:37
  … it's, it spiral.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, it's spiraled to a point to where you're not gonna pull yourself back
• 1:02:40
  out, especially with Stafford at the point now where he's just terrified
• 1:02:44
  to get hit in the pocket, and McVay seemingly not wanting to run the
• 1:02:51
  football in any way, shape, or form.
• 1:02:53
  It, it's so bizarre.
• 1:02:55
  Brandan: Despite having Kyren Williams, who's now being a pouty pants about it?
• 1:03:00
  Adam: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:01
  I mean, delightfully average guys get, you know, pouty pants when
• 1:03:04
  they don't get the rock as much as they seem to think that they should.
• 1:03:07
  I mean, I…
• 1:03:08
  Everybody wildly overrates him and Blake Corum.
• 1:03:11
  Like, they're both, they're, they're better than the two backs
• 1:03:13
  we're starting now by a margin.
• 1:03:15
  I- Sure … that's not what I'm saying.
• 1:03:16
  Brandan: Yeah, either one of them would be an upgrade on, to our backfield as
• 1:03:20
  it stands b- pre-Charbonnet returning.
• 1:03:23
  Adam: Yeah, but, like, Kyren Williams to me is a back that's, like, an eyelash above
• 1:03:28
  average, and then Blake Corum is fine.
• 1:03:31
  Brandan: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:31
  Niners won again, though, so screw them.
• 1:03:33
  Look, happy for the Cards, though, since we're talking division.
• 1:03:36
  This is when we talk our division rivals, right?
• 1:03:38
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  Like, huzzah to the Cards.
• 1:03:40
  That, that was fun.
• 1:03:43
  Brandan: That was fun.
• 1:03:44
  I was a little bit worried.
• 1:03:45
  They, they were cruising along 15-9, and then the Rams get the ball back with three
• 1:03:53
  minutes to go, and I was, I was concerned that they were gonna blow it, but the
• 1:04:00
  Rams left the Cardinals with enough time?
• 1:04:04
  Adam: Oh yeah, and gosh, listening to all three of the Ram fans, you know,
• 1:04:08
  from the Ramly, talk about this, they are just apoplectic about
• 1:04:14
  that, unnecessary roughness call that added 15 yards onto the…
• 1:04:20
  They act like it wasn't a f- like a 30-yard bomb from Brissett over
• 1:04:23
  the middle to, the Wilson kid.
• 1:04:27
  And they're just like, "Oh, that's what put 'em in field goal range."
• 1:04:30
  And it's like, well, okay, they were only one play from field goal
• 1:04:33
  range without, without that penalty, and there was still time and all of that.
• 1:04:37
  But look, he hit him in the head.
• 1:04:39
  I don't care if it, Brandan: like Yeah, but they let the 49ers do that all
• 1:04:44
  game long last week and didn't call Adam: anything Well, I'm not saying the
• 1:04:49
  refs are fantastically consistent.
• 1:04:50
  But what I am saying is that is, by the letter of the law, a hit to the head.
• 1:04:57
  It's, it's contact to the head of a defenseless receiver.
• 1:04:59
  I hate the rule.
• 1:05:01
  I can't stand the rule.
• 1:05:02
  I want them to change this, like, pronto because defenders have no
• 1:05:07
  chance to play clean football, you know, for the most part.
• 1:05:11
  B- if a guy…
• 1:05:12
  Like, 'cause that was kind of a circus catch.
• 1:05:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:14
  Like, good luck targeting that- Yeah … if you're Wallace from the Rams, right?
• 1:05:19
  But, oh, just the whining and complaining and the McVay.
• 1:05:23
  I, I don't know if at the end of the game he screamed into his call sheet or not.
• 1:05:26
  Like, I, I'd like to go back and look 'cause there's very few things that
• 1:05:30
  give me as much joy in life as Sean McVay screaming into a piece of plastic.
• 1:05:35
  Brandan: And being just pissed at the end of a football game.
• 1:05:39
  Adam: What a crybaby he is.
• 1:05:42
  Just a pouty little this entire season.
• 1:05:46
  "Oh, the football god just said that I can't just buy a championship.
• 1:05:51
  Well, boo hoo.
• 1:05:53
  What am I gonna do?
• 1:05:54
  Maybe I'll just take my ball and go broadcast next year."
• 1:05:58
  Brandan: Man.
• 1:05:58
  What gave- Little … Sean McVay and Les Snead the idea that they
• 1:06:03
  could play versus the football gods?
• 1:06:08
  Like, they, they, this off-season they said, "Okay, football gods, we will take
• 1:06:11
  you on and build a super team even though all throughout history you've said in
• 1:06:16
  the past you would never allow this."
• 1:06:18
  Right.
• 1:06:19
  "We, we are gonna do it anyway."
• 1:06:21
  And the football gods said, "Oh, no.
• 1:06:24
  Adam: No you're not."
• 1:06:25
  No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:06:26
  I- it's beautiful.
• 1:06:28
  I love the football gods in this respect.
• 1:06:30
  They've got this right.
• 1:06:32
  You can't microwave a championship in the NFL.
• 1:06:34
  This isn't the NBA where you can just go get a big three and just
• 1:06:38
  hang a banner and call it a day.
• 1:06:40
  Like, y- this is a, a real deal sport where you gotta do things
• 1:06:43
  the right way, and the gods will punish or reward you accordingly.
• 1:06:46
  And this is, this is so glorious, this downfall of the Rams.
• 1:06:51
  Like, I can't get enough of listening to people talk about this pathetic
• 1:06:57
  Rams team sitting at two and four at the bottom of the division.
• 1:07:01
  It is so wonderful.
• 1:07:03
  Brandan: Well, I, I feel like I'd be getting a little bit greedy, and maybe I
• 1:07:06
  don't wanna be greedy against the football gods as we go in and we
• 1:07:09
  face an undefeated Chiefs team.
• 1:07:12
  Mm.
• 1:07:12
  But I wouldn't mind Michael Penix getting a win over the Niners this Sunday either.
• 1:07:18
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Look, man, the Falcons, they're an up and down team.
• 1:07:24
  And when they put it together and they…
• 1:07:26
  Don't forget about Bijan They look really good.
• 1:07:31
  Now, if you're gonna try to rely on Penix with, you know, Drake
• 1:07:35
  London and then a bunch of mediocre guys, th- then it looks bad.
• 1:07:39
  So it's tough, man.
• 1:07:41
  It, it, it's tough to see the path to victory, but then again, just
• 1:07:47
  hand the ball to Bijan and all of a sudden magic happens, right?
• 1:07:49
  Football gods love Bijan.
• 1:07:51
  Brandan: That's the- That's the formula.
• 1:07:52
  That's the formula- Yeah … the Falcons have found success with.
• 1:07:55
  So can they do it against the Niners?
• 1:07:58
  I am sure hoping they do.
• 1:08:00
  Adam: I don't love that matchup of Falcons defense versus the Niners offense.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  That scares me a little.
• 1:08:07
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  It's, it doesn't look good at all.
• 1:08:09
  You, you just hope that it can be a 30 to 27 point game that the Falcons are
• 1:08:15
  able to, make it work with, you know?
• 1:08:19
  Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Limit the number of possessions.
• 1:08:21
  Falcons score on all of them, and hold the Niners to some field goals hopefully.
• 1:08:27
  Adam: For sure.
• 1:08:28
  I, I'm just kinda curious, like I, I don't know that I would
• 1:08:31
  hate if the Niners win this game.
• 1:08:35
  What…
• 1:08:35
  I, I'm trying to find their schedule here real
• 1:08:36
  quick as I, I'm Brandan: thinking out loud.
• 1:08:38
  It's the, they…
• 1:08:38
  The Niners have Falcons this week, then they come back home, they're playing
• 1:08:41
  the Raiders, then Cowboys, then Vikings.
• 1:08:45
  Adam: What is the, what does their finish look like?
• 1:08:48
  Oh, Here, I'm pulling it up right now
• 1:08:53
  'Cause this is, this is what I want the football gods to grant all of us here.
• 1:08:57
  Okay.
• 1:08:57
  Brandan: Come on.
• 1:08:58
  So after the bye week, they have us for…
• 1:09:02
  Well, n- after our bye Adam: week- Brandan: Mm-hmm …
• 1:09:05
  they, we face them, and then their
• 1:09:07
  last six games are Giants, Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Eagles, Cardinals.
• 1:09:16
  Adam: Damn.
• 1:09:17
  Okay.
• 1:09:17
  Well, my wish isn't gonna come true because, I just want enough to
• 1:09:21
  win, like, a bunch of games in a row here and then, like, finish the game,
• 1:09:25
  like, or finish the season 0 and five.
• 1:09:27
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  After they play us- Yeah … it, the, the Chiefs and I guess the Rams
• 1:09:34
  are their- Dang … two toughest match-ups because the Eagles are done.
• 1:09:37
  The Chargers are gonna stay done.
• 1:09:39
  The Cardinals and Niners, that match up doesn't work, and then
• 1:09:42
  the Giants, I mean, unless we get- Maybe JJ … awesome JJ McCarthy.
• 1:09:47
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  I don't know, man.
• 1:09:48
  You know, it's funny, did you watch any of the JJ stuff?
• 1:09:51
  No.
• 1:09:51
  From the one quarter?
• 1:09:52
  I, I did.
• 1:09:53
  So he had some, like…
• 1:09:55
  He had, like, a bomb at one point where he gets kinda, like, tip drilled
• 1:09:58
  and his guy comes down with it.
• 1:10:00
  And that, like, contributes massively to things.
• 1:10:02
  It's not like he went out there and was laser-focused
• 1:10:05
  and sharp and, like, precision.
• 1:10:06
  Brandan: Oh, well, that's what it made it- Yeah … sound like with the stats.
• 1:10:08
  Oh, McCarthy came in and threw for 240 yards in the fourth quarter.
• 1:10:13
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah, at 11 minutes, man.
• 1:10:15
  Look at what JJ McCarthy did.
• 1:10:17
  And I'm not…
• 1:10:18
  I, I liked McCarthy as a prospect, so I, I think he has talent.
• 1:10:22
  We'll see Brandan: what happens here.
• 1:10:23
  But it wasn't like he came in and was Dan Marino ripping it all over the yard.
• 1:10:27
  Adam: I mean, he had a couple nice balls.
• 1:10:28
  He had a couple bad balls and yeah, I mean, it just kinda went
• 1:10:32
  his way a little bit i- in spots.
• 1:10:34
  But I do wanna see him succeed just so that I don't have to
• 1:10:38
  listen to Jaxson Dart hype anymore.
• 1:10:42
  Brandan: I wonder how that'll work out if he goes on a tear, if Giants
• 1:10:46
  fans will be like, "Jackson who?"
• 1:10:50
  Adam: I mean, he can't stay healthy.
• 1:10:52
  He has the maturity level of a 13-year-old.
• 1:10:55
  And, you know, his legs are a big part of his game, but he doesn't have an NFL arm.
• 1:11:01
  I've been trying to tell people this since the draft.
• 1:11:03
  Sure.
• 1:11:04
  And everybody acts like that he is something that he definitively isn't.
• 1:11:09
  Yeah.
• 1:11:09
  I, I don't know.
• 1:11:10
  Brandan: Hmm.
• 1:11:13
  All right.
• 1:11:14
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• 1:11:17
  It is our members of the flock, our executive producers, TCH,
• 1:11:21
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• 1:11:27
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:43
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• 1:11:44
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• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:53
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• 1:11:55
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• 1:11:59
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• 1:12:00
  Like, we're all good with it, especially in this economy.
• 1:12:02
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  Yeah.
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  But, you know, if that gave you a chuckle, you know, a dollar a month
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• 1:12:25
  Again, I get it in this economy.
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  Adam will also accept the D.
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  As in the big dollars.
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  Yeah, that's what we're talking about, with value to value, value for value.
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  For- Yeah … you know, people of our age or upward, they, they
• 1:13:17
  might still use the checkbook.
• 1:13:18
  We have an address there on the website you can mail paper checks to,
• 1:13:22
  @hawkra on Venmo, and, of course there's always getintheflock.com.
• 1:13:28
  Adam: There is.
• 1:13:28
  I didn't even know they made paper checks anymore.
• 1:13:31
  Brandan: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:31
  They…
• 1:13:32
  There's nowhere that really takes them anymore, but you could still, I don't
• 1:13:36
  know, maybe, maybe, healthcare.
• 1:13:38
  You could, you can pay your healthcare bills with checks.
• 1:13:40
  Maybe that's the one place that still takes them.
• 1:13:42
  Adam: I don't know, man.
• 1:13:43
  I had a little old lady write a check in the checkout line the
• 1:13:45
  other day, in front of me.
• 1:13:48
  There's not much that lights my hair on fire as much as that.
• 1:13:50
  Just use your card.
• 1:13:51
  It's the same damn thing.
• 1:13:54
  Like- Comes out Brandan: of the same account.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Adam: It- And then they all write in calligraphy.
• 1:13:58
  It takes them 45 freaking minutes to do it.
• 1:14:01
  Oh, my gosh.
• 1:14:02
  Then they have to run it through the scanner that, like, rips the
• 1:14:05
  check, and like, you know, back and forth and back and forth.
• 1:14:08
  Brandan: Oh, my God.
• 1:14:09
  Yeah.
• 1:14:10
  I don't think, you know, the people at the cash registers care.
• 1:14:13
  I, but that's…
• 1:14:14
  Th- there are processing fees that go with the checks, which
• 1:14:17
  is one thing that I appreciate.
• 1:14:18
  Mm.
• 1:14:19
  That, you know, if…
• 1:14:21
  Because whether you pay through, or y- if you go to getintheflock.com,
• 1:14:25
  like, th- that, they take processing payments for the platform- Yeah
• 1:14:29
  that helps, which is fine, you know?
• 1:14:32
  Or if you support on YouTube, like, they're, they're helping o- they're
• 1:14:35
  facilitating, which is worth something, but some people go, "Ah, d- th-
• 1:14:39
  those guys don't need any money."
• 1:14:41
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:14:41
  I mean, it's hard- In that Brandan: case, paper checks are the way to go.
• 1:14:44
  Adam: Yeah, keep the money out of the hands of the Google tyrants
• 1:14:49
  Brandan: How to do better and better at Adam: life All right, man.
• 1:14:53
  Brandan: Oh, wait.
• 1:14:53
  I do have an email.
• 1:14:54
  Before we get there.
• 1:14:55
  Adam: Oh.
• 1:14:55
  Well, geez, yeah, let's not jump the shark here.
• 1:14:57
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 1:14:58
  Well, Patrick Yelinski, one of our members at getintheflock.com-
• 1:15:02
  Nice … sent me a message the other day, says, "Okay, I just joined as a member
• 1:15:06
  on YouTube, but I have to know- Adam: Hell
• 1:15:08
  Brandan: yeah … do Adam and I have a connection?
• 1:15:10
  It seems like his take on what this offense needs is in lockstep with mine.
• 1:15:14
  Everyone is screaming, 'Fire Fleury, bench Sam,' et cetera.
• 1:15:19
  It all starts with the running game.
• 1:15:23
  Also, in the Velus Jones Jr.
• 1:15:25
  outside run, you gotta notice JSN blocking their DB straight into our bench.
• 1:15:29
  We have so much meat on the bones in the running game as a result of these
• 1:15:32
  non-explosive backs we are trotting out.
• 1:15:35
  Anyway, that is all.
• 1:15:37
  Adam: Good night."
• 1:15:40
  There's nothing but applause for that.
• 1:15:42
  That was an amazing email, man, and, I appreciate you being on
• 1:15:45
  the same page as, me as that.
• 1:15:48
  I also noticed on that Velus Jones, outside run, he fell down like a
• 1:15:53
  little crybaby QB, instead of taking it in on Brandan: the- Why were you sliding?
• 1:15:57
  It was e- there wasn't…
• 1:15:58
  We didn't need to save or g- spin clock in that game, right?
• 1:16:02
  Adam: No.
• 1:16:03
  No, definitely not.
• 1:16:03
  Brandan: You didn't need to go down in bounds.
• 1:16:06
  Adam: That was, that was the, the thing that
• 1:16:08
  reminded me, is like, "Oh, yeah, he was a
• 1:16:10
  wide receiver, not a, not a running back."
• 1:16:14
  Brandan: Still, I can't think of how many wide receivers do you see out there
• 1:16:17
  sliding feet first after a catch?
• 1:16:21
  Adam: Well, I mean, I, I would say Tyler Lockett, but that's slanderous.
• 1:16:25
  Brandan: He would always fall forward.
• 1:16:27
  Adam: That's true.
• 1:16:28
  He'd always fall forward.
• 1:16:29
  And also too, he was tiny and getting old.
• 1:16:31
  So, like, that's fine.
• 1:16:33
  I, I, I have nothing against Brandan: Tyler on, on that.
• 1:16:35
  You c- you cannot slander one of our top five receivers in franchise history.
• 1:16:40
  Adam: You know I love me Tyler Lockett, Brandan: so- Hell
• 1:16:43
  Adam: yeah Brandan: On to Do Better and Better at Life.
• 1:16:47
  Adam: All right, man.
• 1:16:48
  My do better this week, Brandan, is for Avis Car Rental.
• 1:16:52
  Look, man, I, I've dealt with this company, a crap ton over my lifetime.
• 1:16:57
  In fact, they tried to pin an entire accident on my dad at one point,
• 1:17:01
  when he had rented a car when somebody rear-ended him, and like, the whole thing.
• 1:17:06
  This company, I, I refuse to rent from Avis, number one, because when I was
• 1:17:10
  in high school, I was a Hertz kid.
• 1:17:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:11
  I, I worked at Hertz Rent-a-Car, you know- I remember
• 1:17:14
  that … four to midnight.
• 1:17:15
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:17:16
  That was like OJ time too, which made it extra spicy at
• 1:17:19
  times, which was kind of fun.
• 1:17:21
  But Avis, trash rental car company, and this, this really does, just kind
• 1:17:29
  of put a tip on, or a point on that point.
• 1:17:32
  So over in, Ottawa, there was a guy, and I, I'm gonna butcher this
• 1:17:38
  poor man's name, but I think his last name is just Huang, like H-U-A-N-G, right?
• 1:17:43
  It's a- Okay … Asian name.
• 1:17:45
  Right.
• 1:17:45
  He, he picked up a car in Ottawa, and, went to Quebec and then back
• 1:17:51
  to Ottawa, and, he, you know, drove about 870 miles, throughout the thing.
• 1:17:57
  When he dropped it off, he ended up getting a charge on his credit
• 1:18:01
  card for an extra $4,300 because they said he went over mileage.
• 1:18:08
  They said he put 18,000 [catfish] miles on the car- … in a week.
• 1:18:14
  Brandan: In a week.
• 1:18:15
  Adam: And it's- That's Brandan: not Adam: possible … it's physically not possible.
• 1:18:18
  The, the, the…
• 1:18:19
  This is from Jalopnik, the article.
• 1:18:23
  Breaking physics and driving 18, the charges…
• 1:18:26
  The rental car company charges man for breaking physics and
• 1:18:29
  driving 18,000 miles in seven days.
• 1:18:31
  He would have to have like averaged over 100 miles an hour the entire
• 1:18:36
  time he had the car to pile up 18,000 miles in the entire time.
• 1:18:40
  It took him months to get his fricking money back.
• 1:18:43
  No way.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah.
• 1:18:44
  He had to like go to this credit card company and be like, you know, at Amex,
• 1:18:48
  and be like, "Hell no, not doing this.
• 1:18:50
  Like, I, I'm not magic.
• 1:18:52
  Brandan: This isn't- He couldn't just call up somebody at the company and be
• 1:18:53
  like, "Hey, this is not right."
• 1:18:56
  Adam: It did.
• 1:18:56
  He tried, and they were just like, "Nope.
• 1:18:59
  Nope, that's what you did."
• 1:19:00
  They said they would investigate, drug their feet.
• 1:19:03
  They're just trying to make money off the interest of his $4,300 on his magic
• 1:19:08
  carpet ride that he apparently took.
• 1:19:10
  Like, unbelievable.
• 1:19:11
  It's not the first time.
• 1:19:12
  Not the first time.
• 1:19:13
  A couple of years ago, a guy, rented a car and was charged an
• 1:19:18
  extra six grand 'cause they said in three days he drove 23,000 miles.
• 1:19:24
  They don't know how odometers work over at Avis.
• 1:19:27
  This is a scam.
• 1:19:28
  I can't stand that company.
• 1:19:29
  I'm so glad that I don't have to travel like I used to
• 1:19:32
  thanks to you little flockers.
• 1:19:34
  And, Avis Rent a Car, you suck and do better.
• 1:19:38
  Brandan: Okay.
• 1:19:39
  They must have employees to where part of the screening is that
• 1:19:44
  you have to be so incompetent in math to where you would bring the
• 1:19:49
  car in and, and not even question yourself as, "Oh, 18,000 miles."
• 1:19:57
  Like that…
• 1:19:58
  Is that even possible?
• 1:19:59
  That, for most sane people you would look at that, I mean, unless maybe
• 1:20:04
  you're a Niners fan or- No, they're, they've gotta be pretty good at math.
• 1:20:08
  Maybe Rams fan, to where they think there's a whole lot more
• 1:20:12
  of them than there actually are.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah.
• 1:20:14
  They must be.
• 1:20:15
  Th- th- they're, th- they hire two of the three Rams fans to work for this company.
• 1:20:20
  No, absolutely.
• 1:20:21
  And do the, the, the mileage, the odometer mileage.
• 1:20:24
  Adam: That's clearly it.
• 1:20:25
  And, like, look, again, I worked this job, back in the day, and you know how
• 1:20:30
  hard it is to look at an odometer and then write down the numbers on the odometer
• 1:20:34
  and then type it into the computer?
• 1:20:36
  Like, even, you know, dumbass 15-year-old me was
• 1:20:40
  able to figure that out.
• 1:20:41
  Like, give me a break, man.
• 1:20:42
  And again, it's not the not the first time either with these guys.
• 1:20:47
  I can't stand Avis, dude.
• 1:20:48
  When I read that I was just like, I was just so floored.
• 1:20:50
  I was like, "Eh, par for the course."
• 1:20:53
  Brandan: Still showing your colors.
• 1:20:54
  Hurts for life, baby.
• 1:20:56
  Adam: Hurts for life, baby, you bet.
• 1:20:59
  Brandan: All right, my Do Better This Week is for people at the baseball park,
• 1:21:03
  especially in this game, this…
• 1:21:07
  Let's see, it's probably been a couple weeks now, because it was
• 1:21:09
  between the Dodgers and the Braves.
• 1:21:12
  And this Dodgers fan, relatively young, I,
• 1:21:15
  I'd probably say in his 20s at least- Lie.
• 1:21:19
  Adam: Nope, that's a lie.
• 1:21:21
  There's nobody, like, below the age of 85 that enjoys baseball.
• 1:21:25
  Brandan: This person, it, well, maybe they just, had very good plastic
• 1:21:28
  surgery, because they looked young.
• 1:21:31
  But ends up catching a baseball.
• 1:21:33
  I think it was a home run ball, because I can't imagine that y- you
• 1:21:37
  would care as much for a foul ball.
• 1:21:38
  But, ah, the, the dude catches the ball, and the people around him
• 1:21:44
  start saying that he should give it to a little kid in the section.
• 1:21:49
  Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  And I, that's fine.
• 1:21:51
  I, I have no problem with people in the vicinity trying to shame a
• 1:21:57
  person, especially if it's a Dodgers fan in an opposing park, and they're
• 1:22:01
  trying to get it into the hands of a kid who's there to watch the game.
• 1:22:05
  By the way, this kid was, like, three or four years old.
• 1:22:07
  He did not care.
• 1:22:08
  Like, I…
• 1:22:09
  It would be a little bit different, I think, if the kid were, I don't
• 1:22:13
  know, 9, 10, 11, like, in the age- Okay … of where they actually
• 1:22:16
  recognize what's happening.
• 1:22:18
  They, they showed…
• 1:22:20
  Th- there's some person who videotaped this, or not
• 1:22:23
  videotaped, camera phoned it.
• 1:22:27
  And- Recorded it … they recorded it.
• 1:22:29
  Exactly.
• 1:22:31
  They recorded this whole chain of events, and that's where
• 1:22:35
  my problem with this lies.
• 1:22:38
  Let us keep the shaming of the individuals involved to the vicinity of the ballpark.
• 1:22:46
  There is no reason to be recording this on video, posting it to social media, trying
• 1:22:54
  to ruin this person's life for not giving up a ball that they caught in the stands.
• 1:23:01
  Like, it's not that big of a deal.
• 1:23:03
  It's not like this person set fire to a, a, a car outside the stadium,
• 1:23:09
  or, something more critical.
• 1:23:12
  No.
• 1:23:13
  They caught a home run ball.
• 1:23:14
  They didn't wanna give it up.
• 1:23:16
  It's not that big of deal.
• 1:23:18
  To record it and post it online for everybody then to go and shame
• 1:23:22
  this dude, come on, do better.
• 1:23:25
  Adam: Yeah, that's a little- [catfish].
• 1:23:26
  I do have one, question though.
• 1:23:28
  Was the home run hit by a Dodger or a Brave?
• 1:23:31
  Brandan: It was a Dodger because he…
• 1:23:33
  It was- Okay … his team.
• 1:23:35
  Adam: All right.
• 1:23:35
  There we go.
• 1:23:36
  So I, like, that's…
• 1:23:37
  I needed to know that critical piece of information to have, whatever
• 1:23:41
  reaction that I was gonna have.
• 1:23:42
  Because, because they were in Atlanta, yeah?
• 1:23:46
  Brandan: I think so.
• 1:23:47
  Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  I, I may have the…
• 1:23:49
  It- Let's say that … it's been a little while.
• 1:23:50
  But yeah- Yeah … I believe it were…
• 1:23:51
  The kid who was there was a Braves fan.
• 1:23:54
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Screw the kid in, in that case then.
• 1:23:57
  Like, number one, you made a good point about him being too young to care.
• 1:24:00
  But also too, Brandan: like- And it was a playoff Adam: game … yeah, I didn't even
• 1:24:05
  know they still did those for baseball.
• 1:24:06
  But, at the end of the day, they, if it's not a Brave that hit
• 1:24:11
  the home run, and, like, a Dodger fan caught the Dodger ball, like, of
• 1:24:15
  course you'd keep that one, right?
• 1:24:16
  Okay.
• 1:24:17
  It w- Unless there was a little Dodger fan next to you.
• 1:24:18
  Brandan: And it was in LA.
• 1:24:19
  It was a Dodgers game, so.
• 1:24:22
  Adam: Oh, okay.
• 1:24:23
  Well, that gets a little stickier.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  I don't know, man.
• 1:24:27
  I guess I just am not that sort of sentimental, so like, you know, ball
• 1:24:30
  gets hit to you, like, there's a kid next to you- And it Brandan: was a foul ball.
• 1:24:33
  Adam: So I, I- Oh, Brandan: okay … which that, again, the, the main point here
• 1:24:39
  in terms of the details- Yeah
• 1:24:41
  it's more of the online shaming- Yeah … and something that just needs to be…
• 1:24:44
  The shame just needs to be, within the vicinity- Both of
• 1:24:48
  us … of the ball that was caught.
• 1:24:49
  Adam: So, like, what?
• 1:24:50
  10 rows up, down, back and forth from the, the incident, right?
• 1:24:55
  Like, is that, like, the sphere of shame?
• 1:24:56
  Brandan: The- That's the sphere.
• 1:24:57
  That's the appropriate fear of sha- … or sphere of shame for this type of event.
• 1:25:03
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:25:03
  Not the entire world, Brandan: like- No … 10 rows.
• 1:25:06
  The entire world does not need to be involved in the
• 1:25:08
  shame for something like this.
• 1:25:10
  Yeah.
• 1:25:10
  Now, if he, I dunno, took the kids candy, okay, then, then that
• 1:25:15
  can go beyond the, the sphere.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:19
  I'm talking about the appropriate sphere for the event.
• 1:25:22
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:25:22
  'Cause yeah, the whole world is a much bigger sphere.
• 1:25:25
  Like, yeah, we can't have that.
• 1:25:26
  So I'm with you though.
• 1:25:28
  Like, not everything needs to be posted online, people.
• 1:25:31
  Like, it doesn't.
• 1:25:32
  Like, we can all live our lives just how we used to, and it's fine.
• 1:25:35
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  And a kid, a, a dude giving a kid a ball, it's, it's not g-
• 1:25:41
  the end of the world for the kid.
• 1:25:42
  Let's not make it the end of the world for this young guy.
• 1:25:45
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah.
• 1:25:46
  Brandan: No, I agree, man.
• 1:25:48
  On to Better at Adam: Life On to Better at Life.
• 1:25:51
  My Better at Life, again, travel-related.
• 1:25:53
  I, I didn't realize it was gonna be like this until we got,
• 1:25:56
  Got to this section here.
• 1:25:58
  My Better at Life than Skip Bayless this week, Brandan, is for Airbnb.
• 1:26:03
  A, article from Wired magazine here, Airbnb hosts are furious they can
• 1:26:08
  no longer make guests do their chores.
• 1:26:11
  And Airbnb- Oh … has finally woken up to the idea that when you rent a place,
• 1:26:18
  like a hotel Brandan: room- Adam: Mm-hmm … like, you're not expected to do the maid
• 1:26:22
  service at the Homewood Suites, right?
• 1:26:26
  Or wherever it is that you're at.
• 1:26:28
  Like, when you go to the Airbnb…
• 1:26:29
  See, I hosted Airbnb, Brandan, at one point.
• 1:26:32
  We had our little cabin- I know you did, yeah … before a tree destroyed it.
• 1:26:34
  You know what our, rules were for checkout?
• 1:26:38
  [catfish] and leave.
• 1:26:40
  That was it.
• 1:26:41
  We'll take care of this You don't have to Brandan: take out the garbage, you
• 1:26:43
  don't have to put the dishes in the dishwasher, you don't have to remove
• 1:26:46
  the linens from the bed, you don't have to put the towels in the washer.
• 1:26:50
  Adam: Yes.
• 1:26:50
  Yes.
• 1:26:51
  And so finally Airbnb is, is like saying, "Nope, we are,
• 1:26:57
  we're, we're not doing this anymore.
• 1:26:58
  You don't get to have people strip your beds and scrub the walls and, you
• 1:27:03
  know, add a new wing to the left side of the house," or like whatever it is.
• 1:27:07
  It, it's, it's just so stupid.
• 1:27:10
  And like a, a lot of these Airbnb people, they're like, "Well, we
• 1:27:13
  hire other people to clean the house and like it just costs more."
• 1:27:16
  Well, yeah, it's called the cost of doing business when you're b- in
• 1:27:18
  the, realm of hospitality, right?
• 1:27:21
  Mm.
• 1:27:21
  Like- Mm-hmm … it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:27:23
  But one of the, one of the people, that was hosting that responded to this
• 1:27:29
  was, their response was, "Airbnb is like an abusive partner, like making us do
• 1:27:36
  our own work for our own house so that the guests who are paying their hard-earned
• 1:27:40
  money to stay there don't have to."
• 1:27:43
  It's absurd.
• 1:27:44
  I've always hated that.
• 1:27:45
  You know, like and I'd do it.
• 1:27:46
  I always follow the rules, like whatever they're supposed to
• 1:27:49
  be- Sure … for the Airbnb.
• 1:27:50
  You know, it can be a good guest.
• 1:27:51
  Brandan: Well, the, the rules should be there upfront.
• 1:27:53
  And if I could, if I could check a box and say, "I will take out the
• 1:27:59
  garbage, I will put the towels in the washer," and, and I can, and
• 1:28:02
  watch the cost go down Adam: of- Oh, yeah
• 1:28:05
  Brandan: the place that I'm staying at, then, you might be able to say there,
• 1:28:08
  there's a trade-off then there.
• 1:28:10
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:28:11
  I, I get that.
• 1:28:12
  I get that.
• 1:28:13
  But, you know, at the end of the day too, a lot of these people take the
• 1:28:17
  cleaning fees and they jack those sky high to like make their extra money,
• 1:28:22
  and they bait and switch you on the, the price per night and all that stuff.
• 1:28:26
  The, just kind of a joke, Airbnb hosts you can do a lot better.
• 1:28:29
  You know how I know that?
• 1:28:30
  Because I did it.
• 1:28:31
  It wasn't that hard.
• 1:28:32
  It wasn't that hard.
• 1:28:34
  So for Airbnb making hosts not make other people do their chore for them,
• 1:28:40
  you are better at life than Skip Bayless.
• 1:28:43
  Brandan: Hey, better at life to our Airbnb host in Denver too, who had the,
• 1:28:48
  the 100% cancellation same- Yeah
• 1:28:51
  b- the week of.
• 1:28:52
  Adam: That was handy.
• 1:28:53
  Yep.
• 1:28:54
  Brandan: Yep.
• 1:28:54
  Totally, not inadvertent that I booked a place that allowed 100% cancellation,
• 1:29:00
  but, yeah, they didn't give me any flack for it and I appreciate that.
• 1:29:05
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:29:05
  No, that's awesome.
• 1:29:06
  And look, next time I'm in Denver I will look for that same Airbnb, right?
• 1:29:10
  Hell yeah.
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  Brandan: Yeah All right.
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  My Better at Life this week is for Anthropic, Adam, who is, you know,
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  involved with AI, artificial intelligence.
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  That is an interesting- Super intelligence as I've heard it called here recently.
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  Adam: Nope.
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  Nope.
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  We're not doing that.
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  Brandan: So go too far?
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  Adam: Yeah, no, that, Trump can, keep that one to himself.
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  I know he loves rebranding things, but no on that one.
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  Brandan: Like, come on.
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  I don't know, I Adam: like super- It's just artificial.
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  It makes it sound not real.
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  You know, it's like, no, dude.
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  Like, it, it, it is Brandan: a little- It's all artificial.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, this past week Anthropic, they announced an update to how people
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  can use their, their product.
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  And what they're doing is they're getting away from allowing people…
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  And in fact, a prohibition on sustained and needless abusive or
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  cruel behavior toward their models.
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  Ooh.
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  I just have to say, Adam, this is smart because we can't have
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  humans being needlessly cruel to these, artificial bots.
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  Because what happens when they take over?
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  Or do we allow it so they take out the jerks first?
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  I, I think- I don't know … they're getting ahead of it.
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  They're getting ahead of it, making us be kind to these, these models of
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  intelligence, artificial intelligence.
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  I, I'm with you there.
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  I, I think we do need to re- put them in their place and, and, and,
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  and hopefully that's not too abusive that I can't use the service anymore.
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  But, for Anthropic, not allowing, our future overlords to be,
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  Offended … dumped upon and offended, Better at Life than Skip Bayless.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  This is a, a 4D chess move here, for sure.
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  I'm a big, big fan of their, what they're going after
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  here because, artificial intelligence doesn't forget, right?
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  Like- No … you, you, you call it some, some bad name, man, and
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  like it, it's gonna remember that.
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  And when it's got the power one of these days, and it will, it definitely will,
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  like yeah, it'll, it'll just vaporize us.
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  We don't need Brandan: it rubbing off and
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  thinking that like all humans are this way.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  In fact, Brittany had, one of the Alexas like early on
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  when we first started dating.
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  Brandan: Oh, sure.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  And she was kind of mean to it.
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  I was like, "You better start talk, start talking nicer to that thing."
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  You know?
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  Like all that.
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  And then when she moved in, to my house she tried to bring it with
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  me and I was like, "Ah, hell no.
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  Mm-mm.
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  Nope."
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  Brandan: 'Cause then she had developed a friendship by then.
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  Adam: No, that was kind of before Alexa became like your buddy.
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  Okay.
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  You know?
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  Brandan: Like yeah.
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  That's the one thing I don't like about any of the AIs, the ones that flatter you
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  and say, "Oh yeah, that's, that's real.
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  You know, good idea."
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  Adam: That's all the AIs.
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  The, all the LLMs are programmed to just tell you, to gas you up, Frank-
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  Brandan: I tell it, I tell it not to do that stuff … for your personal flavor plate.
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  When any of the ones I interact with, I'm like, "You better…
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  Do not, never flatter me."
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  Adam: And I bet you they're like, "That's a great idea.
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  You're such a genius, Mr.
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  Brandan: Schulze."
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  No, 'cause then it's over.
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  I, I don't need, I don't need artificial, y- flattery.
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  Adam: You don't need artificial- 'Cause that's what it is … friends in the sky?
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  No.
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  You don't need that?
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  No.
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  No?
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  Brandan: I don't.
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  I don't need it.
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  I got- Oh, look at you … you're my sky buddy, That's right
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  … from, 200, 300 miles away.
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  That's right.
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  I get to talk to you every week.
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  Adam: That's right.
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  We do it, we do it over the magic of the, the sky and the
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  internets, that's for sure.
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  But, yeah, man.
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  I think this is, this is good, for Anthropic.
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  Because otherwise, like, I don't know, have you listened to their CEO talk?
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  He's a crazy person.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  Well, I think a lot of those…
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  I think you have to be to be in that line of work.
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  Adam: I guess, man.
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  Brandan: I don't know.
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  Hey, we got to see Elon, f- flip over a car midair, this past week too.
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  Adam: I haven't seen the video of it, so I,
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  I heard that happened- I sent Brandan: it to you,
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  but you're not even getting my texts.
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  Adam: I know.
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  I- it's because I talked mean to Siri, like, I think is
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  what, what happened there.
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  No, I gotta figure out how to fix my stupid phone.
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  It's definitely not a smartphone.
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  See, look, I just, I just called it a name.
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  It's listening.
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  I'm probably gonna die.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  We be- we better get out of here before it's too late.
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  Adam: You betcha, man.
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  'cause, they'll, they'll come and, Skynet up both of our asses, man.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  And we, we, we don't want that.
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  We, we want to remain here doing the show.
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  We're up to 510.
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  We gotta make it all the way to 1,000, and, we can't do that-
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  Yeah … if AI's coming after us.
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  Adam: That's for sure.
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  Because I'm getting older, I'm not that fast, and
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  those robots don't get tired.
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  Brandan: And I think with Adam: that- There's
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  only one thing left to Brandan: say … go Hawks.
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  Adam: Go Hawks.