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The Mandalorian Chapter 20: The Foundling · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello there, Welcome to the ned Palty.
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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Nick an Ostasy, you lead editor and
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Speaker 2: writer on mal Shadow Lord, and you're listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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Speaker 3: galaxy from every conceivable angle, facet and pathway that you
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Speaker 3: John Mills, and here to discuss in our season three
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Speaker 3: rewatch of the Mandalorian in our countdown to the Mandalorian
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Speaker 3: and grogu is Jedi Master Matthew Rushing. Matt, are you
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Speaker 3: ready to discuss chapter twenty The Foundling, directed by Carl Weathers.
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Speaker 2: Well, I really am.
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Speaker 1: I just hope that we don't end up with any
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Speaker 1: unintended foundlings, because I really don't have the yard space
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Speaker 1: for that.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, a lot of foundlings can be tended
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Speaker 3: properly with some paintballs and some nice, nice giant crocodile
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Speaker 3: fish and maybe just maybe a slightly terror dectyl looking
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Speaker 3: participating and listening. And frankly, I'm really curious, really ready
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Speaker 3: to get right into this episode because last week we
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Speaker 3: had our issues with the Convert. There's a couple narrative
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Speaker 3: challenges that we had, So I gotta wonder when you
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Speaker 3: were coming back into this even with this rewatch, was
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Speaker 3: there any trepidation? Was there any like, uh, this better
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Speaker 3: get better? Like were you ready to bail on anything
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Speaker 3: where you had like how deeply had the Convert sort
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Speaker 3: of shaken your faith in the show as it were?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean coming back into this one in the
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Speaker 1: rewatch and knowing what the episode was, you know where
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Speaker 1: we were going to touch on the history of Grogu,
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Speaker 1: but at the same time, you know we were actually
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Speaker 1: going to continue diving into the Mandalorian in the sense
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Speaker 1: of their culture, and you know, we're going to get
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Speaker 1: a little bit of family, We're going to get a
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Speaker 1: little bit of what it's like for them to train together,
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Speaker 1: and the different levels you know, they they have foundling
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Speaker 1: and then apprentice and and Z. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: really cool, you know, And so I I wasn't feeling
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Speaker 1: trepidations coming into this. I was actually more interested in
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Speaker 1: the rewatch and just seeing kind of how it all
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Speaker 1: flowed together, you know. And part of that is because
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Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe that's trepidation, but we've talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about this season already that the editing story
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Speaker 1: structure seems to be often some episodes, and so I
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Speaker 1: was trying to remember, you know, how this all flowed
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Speaker 1: as an episode and would it still work, And you know, thankfully,
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Speaker 1: for me, I think it does. It's it. You know,
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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about the idea of a whiplash
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Speaker 1: in the previous episode, and I felt like there was
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Speaker 1: whiplash again, but in a good way, just because this
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Speaker 1: episode is so diametrically opposed to the type of issues
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Speaker 1: that we were getting in the previous episode, and this
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Speaker 1: seemed to be back to form well at the same time,
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Speaker 1: you know, digging into some mysteries that we as fans
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Speaker 1: have had since this show began. So did you feel
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Speaker 1: the same or was there anything that kind of jumped
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Speaker 1: out to you in this rewatch where you were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember it quite that way, or
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Speaker 1: doesn't hold up, or no, this is this is just
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Speaker 1: as good as I thought it was the first time,
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Speaker 1: or it's better.
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Speaker 3: The episode flows better than I remembered it, because I
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Speaker 3: think that I might have been thrown so off by
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Speaker 3: the convert the first time around that on the rewatch,
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Speaker 3: it's one of those things where it's like, wait, did
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Speaker 3: like I remember liking this episode, but were there still
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Speaker 3: some structural problems with it? Turns out there weren't. And
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Speaker 3: I want to share a story because I'm, you know,
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Speaker 3: doing the Mandalorian rewatch with my youngest who's never seen
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Speaker 3: it before, and you know, the Mandalorian Grogu's coming out,
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Speaker 3: and so making a point to go through and make
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Speaker 3: sure that we see everything that she might need to
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Speaker 3: see coming in. I know they're going to make it
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Speaker 3: accessible for non fans too, but you know, I figure
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Speaker 3: she'll get the optimal experience that way. And when Grogu
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Speaker 3: is with the Armorer and we start getting the flashes
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Speaker 3: of his past, his traumatic childhood, the same way that
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Speaker 3: we got when Luke I'll just say mind melded with
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Speaker 3: him in Book of Boba Fet. But also when you know,
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Speaker 3: we encountered the Mandalorian in season one, and every time
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Speaker 3: the Armorer worked, we had flashes of his childhood and everything,
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Speaker 3: So there's a nice mirroring there. My youngest starts sobbing
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Speaker 3: during that sequence because she didn't cry as hard as
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Speaker 3: she did when she saw what happened to him in
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Speaker 3: the Book of Boba Fet flashback. But she started sobbing
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Speaker 3: again because she felt so bad for everything Grogu had
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Speaker 3: gone through. It made her so sad that somebody had
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Speaker 3: gone through something like that, And it was a really
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Speaker 3: grounding moment, specifically because I think we as fans. I
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Speaker 3: remember even watching the episode and I got so caught
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Speaker 3: up in Oh that's all I'm at best. Oh it's
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Speaker 3: Order sixty six again. Oh look at all of that stuff.
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Speaker 3: Oh wait, it's the Naboo. There are all these little
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Speaker 3: story tidbits, and I'm so caught up in as an
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Speaker 3: adult fan means nothing to a kid, and it's it
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Speaker 3: was another one of those moments to remind yourself that
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Speaker 3: this stuff is supposed to be connecting just on a
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Speaker 3: visceral emotional level, and so I gotta get like this
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Speaker 3: episode was of getting probably the highest marks of the
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Speaker 3: season so far, as high as any marks I've given
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Speaker 3: it because I saw demonstrated right there with me that
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Speaker 3: it did what it set out to do, which was
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Speaker 3: to make Grogu incredibly sympathetic and connect with the audience,
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Speaker 3: especially the key demographic you want, which is either the
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Speaker 3: kid or the kid inside. So that definitely was a
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Speaker 3: completely different experience watching it this time around.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is such a hallmark of you know,
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Speaker 1: being able to do this rewatch together and the fact
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Speaker 1: that you're you know, doing it with the youngest padawan,
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Speaker 1: and you know, that does change the way in which
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Speaker 1: you view Star Wars right when you get to watch
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Speaker 1: it through other people's eyes, you know, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't have that same experience, but just even you know,
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Speaker 1: showing people Star Wars who really don't know a ton
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Speaker 1: about it and then just watching them experience it, you know,
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Speaker 1: for the first time, is as close as you know
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Speaker 1: I'll ever get to being able to do that. And
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Speaker 1: it's so fun. And I love that you brought up
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Speaker 1: the idea of Grogu as a character, because you know,
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Speaker 1: I've heard this before from other people, and I think
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Speaker 1: that this episode, you know, just kind of dismantles that
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Speaker 1: is that, you know, Grubgu is basically a mcguffin or
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Speaker 1: prop and I feel like this episode does a great
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Speaker 1: job of beginning to make him a fully rounded character
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Speaker 1: where it's like, no, he's not just going to be
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Speaker 1: the cute baby anymore. We're going to begin to train
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Speaker 1: him and have him begin to mature. And I liked
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Speaker 1: that this episode finally gave us that, you know, where
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Speaker 1: we're we're going to treat him as a character who
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Speaker 1: has an arc that's more than just I need him
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Speaker 1: to do the next cute thing.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And even tying into that is with Minds of
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Speaker 3: Mandalor when he goes and he gets bo Katan.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So this season has already had two episodes now where
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Speaker 3: Grogu gets some serious development, and never mind the beginning
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Speaker 3: of this episode, we see him entered into Mandalorian fight
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Speaker 3: training with another kid, and he like exhibits that same
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Speaker 3: sort of intuitive battle prowess, if you will, of just oh,
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Speaker 3: you're fighting by rules, but I don't have rules, which
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Speaker 3: is cute, but it's still like you're saying, it advances
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Speaker 3: the character. My question for you is, we've had Bo
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Speaker 3: Katan going on her own journey in this series. In
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Speaker 3: this season, did you get the same sense of forward
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Speaker 3: motion or development with her? Was that satisfying for you
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Speaker 3: because at this point in the season or four episodes in,
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Speaker 3: we're halfway in and The Mandalorian should have an ass
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Speaker 3: at the end of it, because it's this season has
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Speaker 3: about been about the Mandalorians, z Bo Catan. Are you
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Speaker 3: liking what's happening with her character through this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that you, you know, asked this question,
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Speaker 1: because that was the thing that I was thinking of.
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Speaker 1: Next is the way in which you know, Bo begins
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Speaker 1: to have more of a part of this series. And
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, you know, in many ways. You know,
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Speaker 1: the series obviously is called The Mandalorian, and I like
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Speaker 1: the way you put it. You know, now we're kind
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Speaker 1: of in this mode where it's the Mandalorians, and I
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Speaker 1: think that us being able to as fans go through
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Speaker 1: this adventure through Bow's eyes is incredibly you know, fulfilling
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Speaker 1: as a fan to be able to see her kind
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Speaker 1: of come face to face with the children of the Watch,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and honestly be kind of slowly kind
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Speaker 1: of pulled in back into what it means to be
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Speaker 1: a Mandalorian on a spiritual front and not just like
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Speaker 1: a you know, physical front or just as as a
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Speaker 1: cultural front. That's the thing I'm really liking about the season,
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Speaker 1: the way we're building her is that character and where
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Speaker 1: she's beginning to believe again. You know, you know, you
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Speaker 1: might have called her basically a Mandalorian atheist previous to
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Speaker 1: this because of her experiences and now you know, this
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Speaker 1: episode's called The Foundling, but in many ways to this episode,
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Speaker 1: and I know we've already had an episode called this,
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Speaker 1: but this could have been called you know, The Believer,
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Speaker 1: or this episode could have been called The Converts, you know,
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Speaker 1: because there's a way in which you're seeing Bocaton be
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Speaker 1: converted back to what it means to be a Mandalorian
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Speaker 1: on a spiritual plane beyond you know, everything else that
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Speaker 1: she's experienced. And I think it's great.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: I did it work for you. Still, is it something
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Speaker 1: where you're frustrated that she's getting to have a little
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Speaker 1: bit more of an arc here than say somebody like Dindjarrin.
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Speaker 3: No, well, it's not frustrating. I think that the actually
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Speaker 3: the title of the episode works really well because she's
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Speaker 3: the Foundling, which I thought is really clever because you know, we, oh,
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Speaker 3: the foundling, we presume must be a child, but the
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Speaker 3: term could easily apply to her. She's been you know,
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Speaker 3: the idea that you've found the lost and brought them in,
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Speaker 3: and I think that works very well. I think what's
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Speaker 3: challenging about it, and this is something where the season
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Speaker 3: as a whole again it's trying to expand outward and
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Speaker 3: world build so much with what's going on with the Empire,
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Speaker 3: with what's going on with the Republic, with what's going
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Speaker 3: on with Bocatan, as well as Grogu. Yes, there are
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Speaker 3: layers of complexity. They're not just doing the same thing.
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Speaker 3: Because people started bashing on the Mandalorian after the second
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Speaker 3: season saying, oh, well, it's just a video game. He
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Speaker 3: just goes on a quest every episode, which is whatever.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a serial series. It's you know, I
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Speaker 3: think it's a silly complaint, but I think that there
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Speaker 3: is an effort here to expand the story, and what
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Speaker 3: I think happens is actually bo Catan's arc suffers because
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Speaker 3: it's only a piece of this, and I think the
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Speaker 3: season would have been better served to stay focused on this,
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Speaker 3: this her story, and and Din bringing her in and
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Speaker 3: showing the growth of will get you know, to the
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Speaker 3: armorer with her and everything where we're going this season.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry to jump the gun like that, but
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's a rewatch. It can't help it.
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Speaker 3: It's it's very interesting because it feels so much truer
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Speaker 3: to the core of what attracted us to the show
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Speaker 3: in the first place, which is very simple, focused storytelling,
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Speaker 3: not trying to overcomplicate itself. And I think that we're
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Speaker 3: four episodes in and it's something where even just that
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Speaker 3: third episode causes such a rhythmic hiccup that here I'm
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Speaker 3: in this episode, I'm saying, oh, yeah, this is why
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Speaker 3: I came to the show, this is why I'm here,
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Speaker 3: and watching it in quicker succession and having seen it
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Speaker 3: before it it alleviates some of it, but it really
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Speaker 3: makes a third episode stand out even more.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, you know, you mentioning the fact
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Speaker 1: that bo in some ways as the foundling. What I
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Speaker 1: love about this is that there's a real give and
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Speaker 1: take with her as a character, and you know, her
14:48
Speaker 1: being with this covert, which is there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of things actually that she knows that they don't right
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Speaker 1: because you know, she grew up on Mandelor there's you know,
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Speaker 1: even when they're talking about climbing to you know, this
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Speaker 1: Beast's layer and they're like it's too high, and she's like,
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Speaker 1: well that no. I mean, she's basically saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: I used to shoot womp rats that size one of
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Speaker 1: my T fourteen. You know, that's that's the exact same
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Speaker 1: discussion that she's having with them, Like, no, that's that's
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Speaker 1: not too hard. That's that's child's play, basically, is what
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Speaker 1: she's saying. And so what I love is that there
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Speaker 1: is this real copasetic learning that's happening between her and
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Speaker 1: the rest of these Mandalorians because she actually does have
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Speaker 1: a lot to teach them about what it means to
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Speaker 1: be a Mandalorian because she's literally one of the very
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Speaker 1: few Mandalorians left who lived on Mandalor grew up there,
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Speaker 1: was trained there, and I really appreciate that, and so
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Speaker 1: I think it's it's actually a strength of the show
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Speaker 1: because what they're doing is they're bringing these two disparate
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Speaker 1: factions back together. I mean, that's the other part of
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Speaker 1: this whole series. In season right, we've shown these two
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Speaker 1: different types of Mandalorians, and this show is kind of
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Speaker 1: working to allow them to live in harmony together again.
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Speaker 1: And that's I think really really cool because you know,
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Speaker 1: you have the idea of what they were in the
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Speaker 1: Clone Wars, and even there we saw differentiation between the
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Speaker 1: two factions of death Watch and those on Mandalor, and
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Speaker 1: here we're taking all of that stuff and we're working
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Speaker 1: to kind of find a new balance in a new
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Speaker 1: way of life for this people who have been through
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Speaker 1: a great deal. And I like the way in which
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Speaker 1: they're doing it personally. I think it's actually really well done.
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Speaker 1: So I also got to say, I really appreciate to
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Speaker 1: the the idea that you know, Mandalorians when together, they
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Speaker 1: actually go off to eat, you know, so they could
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Speaker 1: take off their helmet and actually eat.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I liked the admission that yes, there, you can't
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Speaker 1: wear this helmet all the time, like there have to
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Speaker 1: be times where the helmet comes off, and I guess
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Speaker 1: that's also probably helpful when you want to make another foundling.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And so you know, it's but I just again, there
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Speaker 1: are these little moments that they're utilizing, and they're helping
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Speaker 1: us to have a better understanding of what it means,
17:39
Speaker 1: you know, to be a Mandalorian and the rules, especially
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Speaker 1: of the children of the Watch. And so I really
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Speaker 1: like that. Uh.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad you said that, because I think
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Speaker 3: it's a good point, you know, just a couple of
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Speaker 3: points to close out on. Is it's it's a it
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Speaker 3: shows a real inversion of what we would accept as normal,
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Speaker 3: which is that we would go off and do our jobs.
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Speaker 3: We would go off and do something, we'd work in
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Speaker 3: the fields, we would go to the office, whatever you
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Speaker 3: want to say. But the idea is the family is
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Speaker 3: always supposed to come together for the meal, and they
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Speaker 3: have inverted that. They're together twenty four to seven except
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Speaker 3: when they eat. And it's it's interesting because when you
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Speaker 3: really break it apart, breaking bread together is the very
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Speaker 3: idea of It's a phrase that means making peace with somebody,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's an interesting thing to sort of
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Speaker 3: like peel a part of the idea of isolation and
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Speaker 3: why they're so such, you know, they're so intractable and
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Speaker 3: bad at making peace because they don't break bread together.
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Speaker 3: Because that's something that you know, I think that's worth
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Speaker 3: you know, thinking about, at least in those terms. But
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Speaker 3: as a final question, I got to ask you, how
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Speaker 3: do you feel they did?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 3: I mean, Carl Weathers is our director on this episode
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Speaker 3: the volume. Was this a one success for you? Were
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Speaker 3: there effects or background shots that didn't work? Or were
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Speaker 3: you totally immersed in what was happening.
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Speaker 1: I kept waiting for a rocket ship to land, uh
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Speaker 1: and uh, to to you know, be caught in the
19:28
Speaker 1: middle of the lake and three astronauts to come out,
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Speaker 1: uh and uh, then beyond the the very edge of
19:37
Speaker 1: the planet of the Apes. No, excuse me, this very
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that this is filmed in the exact same
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Speaker 1: places you know what they're they're pulling for visually. But
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Speaker 1: I think that the volume is mostly successful, I mean
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Speaker 1: here and there. I think that there are some shots
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Speaker 1: that kind of stand out a little bit as like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that wasn't quite as good, and maybe maybe it's just
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Speaker 1: because I've been watching the show, you know, every week
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Speaker 1: here to get ready, and you know, you just get
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Speaker 1: more used to the look and the feel of it.
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Speaker 1: But there weren't too many shots that just felt really
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Speaker 1: jarring in this in that sense, and so, you know,
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Speaker 1: three season in, I think that they're figuring it out.
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Speaker 1: But also there is something about whether it's directing here
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Speaker 1: that I think might just.
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Speaker 3: Work.
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Speaker 1: Like he knows how. He really does a great job
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Speaker 1: of shooting the action, you know, especially when they're doing
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Speaker 1: the aerial battles, you know, with this giant pterodactyl thingy.
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Speaker 1: All of that looked really good if you ask me.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm I'm relatively impressed with the way in
20:55
Speaker 1: which this episode is pulled off, because what they're doing,
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Speaker 1: when you think about what they're actually trying to do
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Speaker 1: here in live action on television, it's kind of insane.
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Speaker 3: I agree. I think that this is a really successful
21:10
Speaker 3: episode for those effects. I think that we've become so
21:15
Speaker 3: spoiled over time that we forget the absolutely mind blowing
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Speaker 3: nature of fighting the giant pterodactyl. And it looks real enough, yeah, agreed,
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Speaker 3: And it doesn't look like a ray Harryhausen thing, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it actually works. And then I'll say again the youngest
21:39
Speaker 3: and this is something I'll cop to it because I
21:42
Speaker 3: feel the same way. I felt so bad for those
21:45
Speaker 3: little baby terodactyl thingies that they bring with them.
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Speaker 1: I felt so no.
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Speaker 3: But the thing is, I felt so bad for them
21:52
Speaker 3: because you know, it's sort of like actually with you know,
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Speaker 3: when the big gator attacks Ragnar's son or whoever it
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Speaker 3: was getting, you know, baptized in the first episode, you know,
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Speaker 3: going all the way back to that, it's like, oh, yeah,
22:07
Speaker 3: I mean it sucks, but I still kind of feel
22:09
Speaker 3: bad for the animal because it's just doing its thing.
22:13
Speaker 3: The animal isn't evil. The animal's just doing what it does.
22:17
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, I don't want the kid
22:19
Speaker 3: to get eaten. I don't want any of them to
22:20
Speaker 3: get eaten. But at the same time, it's like you
22:23
Speaker 3: feel bad at the end of it because you're like, oh,
22:25
Speaker 3: right now you've orphaned these three creatures. Oh that's that's
22:30
Speaker 3: kind of rough, you know. So that is honestly my
22:36
Speaker 3: way of saying that the effects were really effective because
22:39
Speaker 3: I felt empathy for these creatures that will never exist
22:44
Speaker 3: in any fashion. Whatsoever. I mean, that's tremendous character animation
22:48
Speaker 3: when you think about it, and you know, I think
22:51
Speaker 3: that's to be commended. But what I really think should
22:54
Speaker 3: be commended is how many places you can be found online?
22:57
Speaker 3: So why didn't you tell everybody where they can contact?
23:00
Speaker 3: Do you track you down and listen to you?
23:02
Speaker 2: You don't want to know my rating?
23:04
Speaker 1: John? For the episode?
23:06
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't, No, not at all.
23:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know.
23:10
Speaker 3: Sorry, hold on, yeah, let me let me give blah
23:13
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. Really really really commendable. Ah, it's
23:19
Speaker 3: really commendable. But speaking of commendable, you know, how would
23:24
Speaker 3: you commend this episode? You know, we had a rough
23:27
Speaker 3: episode last time. Where are we on the five star scale?
23:31
Speaker 2: Yeah?
23:32
Speaker 1: I think this deserves to be a four star. I
23:36
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a good episode. I think they
23:39
Speaker 1: did a great job and I'm really, you know, thankful
23:42
Speaker 1: for the work that they put into this episode. I think,
23:46
Speaker 1: especially coming off that previous episode, this is just this
23:50
Speaker 1: is what I want from the Mandalorian. So yeah, solid
23:53
Speaker 1: four stars?
23:54
Speaker 2: What about you?
23:54
Speaker 3: John, I'm actually going to give it a solid five
23:57
Speaker 3: because of what I was talking about where I saw
24:01
Speaker 3: my daughter react very strongly to the gro Goo bit.
24:06
Speaker 3: I love the symmetry with seeing his flashback the same
24:10
Speaker 3: way we saw Mando's flashback. I love what they're doing
24:14
Speaker 3: with bo Katan. I love the examination of their culture
24:18
Speaker 3: in the Children of the watch all of that stuff.
24:21
Speaker 3: I think it's highly successful. Is it an incredibly deep episode? No?
24:25
Speaker 3: But the thing is, for me, a five star doesn't
24:27
Speaker 3: mean that this is the greatest hour of television ever created.
24:30
Speaker 3: It just means Carl Weather's rest his soul was really
24:36
Speaker 3: good as a director for this series. Yeah, and I
24:39
Speaker 3: think that this is a straight up standout episode. Like
24:41
Speaker 3: if you were to ask me pick your favorite episodes
24:44
Speaker 3: from season three, this is in the discussion, if not
24:47
Speaker 3: the choice, like this in Minds of Bandalor and again
24:51
Speaker 3: in the Rewatch. Yeah, I beat up on the third episode,
24:54
Speaker 3: but honestly, sort of the quality that we've gotten halfway
24:58
Speaker 3: through the season, it's not this season at this point
25:05
Speaker 3: deserves a better rep Whether that changes when we proceed
25:09
Speaker 3: through the season, and I don't know, but at the
25:11
Speaker 3: halfway point fifty yard line, I think we're trucking for
25:15
Speaker 3: a touchdown again. So we'll just see how those back
25:18
Speaker 3: four work out as it.
25:20
Speaker 1: Were absolutely that well, you know, John, With that in mind,
25:25
Speaker 1: if people want to discuss this episode or see what
25:28
Speaker 1: else is happening there at Kesselvania, maybe maybe they need
25:32
Speaker 1: to know the exchange rate for kessel coin or where
25:34
Speaker 1: can people find them.
25:35
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the exchange rate for kestle coin is
25:38
Speaker 3: you give me ten bitcoin and I will give you
25:41
Speaker 3: fifty billion kessel coins because kessel coins don't exist. So
25:47
Speaker 3: I'll give you as many as that you want, and
25:49
Speaker 3: I'll you know, I'll even sign you. You know what,
25:51
Speaker 3: you know what we need to bring back, Matt. We
25:53
Speaker 3: need to bring back NFTs.
25:55
Speaker 2: Remember they were so hot.
25:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were so hot. It's the best. So you
26:01
Speaker 3: know what, forget the castle coin exchange. Give me your bitcoin.
26:04
Speaker 3: I'll give you an NFD. How about that. There you go.
26:06
Speaker 3: I'll just write something on a piece of paper. But
26:08
Speaker 3: you can also reach me online as Cassele Junkie social
26:12
Speaker 3: network of choice. You can honestly find me on letterbox
26:15
Speaker 3: and good Reads. That's where I have the most fun online.
26:18
Speaker 3: And you can find me here on the network. Co
26:20
Speaker 3: hosting a show called house Lights with Darren Moser and
26:23
Speaker 3: Tristan Riddell, where we look at the work of filmmakers,
26:25
Speaker 3: so their entire career, through decades, through character types, all
26:29
Speaker 3: of those sorts of things. And you can find me
26:31
Speaker 3: occasionally with a guest appearance over on the six oh
26:34
Speaker 3: two Club on the TFM network, which I know is
26:36
Speaker 3: one of the places where people can find you online.
26:38
Speaker 1: Matt, absolutely true. I love being over there. John's a
26:42
Speaker 1: frequent guest, so that's always a plus. You could find
26:45
Speaker 1: me all over social media and then a name Matt
26:48
Speaker 1: Rushing show too. Of course here on the network, I've
26:51
Speaker 1: got outposts talking about every single chapter of the Harry
26:55
Speaker 1: Potter series, one chapter at a time. And then if
26:58
Speaker 1: you like what I have to say in the six
27:01
Speaker 1: h two Club, is your fancy, well, there's a lot
27:03
Speaker 1: of great star trek talk over there on the TFM
27:06
Speaker 1: Network with my good friend Chris Jones, so you can
27:08
Speaker 1: check all those shows out. But you know what, John,
27:11
Speaker 1: I think the Covert is calling for dinner and they've
27:16
Speaker 1: brought a nice case of Coarellian whiskey, So I think
27:20
Speaker 1: it's time to close these negotiations.
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Speaker 3: If you think walking drunk is tough without a helmet
27:26
Speaker 3: on wait, until you see me with a helmet on
27:28
Speaker 3: after a bottle of Karelian whiskey. Master rushing negotiations are closed.
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