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Lindsay Clancy Mistrial: What Happens Now? (w. Liza Treyger) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Alyssa Malbranch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about that time I thought
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  Speaker 1: I saw Britney, bitch. We're going to talk about hip,
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  Speaker 1: but not in the cool way. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Lindsay Clancy trial and the coverage versus the
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  Speaker 1: media coverage of lynchings in America. We talk white voices,
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  Speaker 1: white genes, and hoarders. And then we sit down with
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  Speaker 1: the hilarious Lisa Trager, who's going to help us answer
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  Speaker 1: all your questions from the DMs. So be sure to
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  Speaker 1: stick around. Because I texted you and I said, do
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: you want me to shave? And you were like, you
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  Speaker 1: took two hours later within the two hours I shaved.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have to tell you, my mother does that.
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  Speaker 1: Shave.
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  Speaker 2: She'll ask me what I think about something. And then
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  Speaker 2: I'll say.
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  Speaker 1: Too slow.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll say, yes, no, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And then she's just like, oh, which really what she
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  Speaker 3: wants me to. My mom wants me to know what
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  Speaker 3: she's thinking about. And say that thing.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to just give me the answer I want.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want your opinion. Then don't ask me.
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  Speaker 2: Ben, let me tell you something. You are asking the
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  Speaker 2: wrong bitch because I will always tell you what I think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was like a little bit on the fence.
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  Speaker 1: It was like 10% of me was like, I'll keep
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  Speaker 1: the beard. I like the beard.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? You're entering your daddy phase.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. You are.
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  Speaker 2: With your little gray snowflakes and the beard.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I'm getting a little gray beard. I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I was at a party on Saturday and
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about getting gray, obviously not hair, but
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  Speaker 1: like other hair that turns gray. And I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to my friend. And I was like, yeah, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you get gray hairs in your chin and like
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  Speaker 1: your chest. And I like opened up my shirt a
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  Speaker 1: little bit and showed him.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you open up your shirt? That's weird.
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  Speaker 1: To show him my gray chest hair.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was like, you know, like this starts to
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  Speaker 1: happen when you get in your late 30s. And he goes,
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  Speaker 1: it actually doesn't. And he opens his shirt and it's
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  Speaker 1: just a completely like perfectly hairless chest.
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  Speaker 2: But was he, is he like a.
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  Speaker 1: He's like a very hairy man. And I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Does he wax his chest?
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  Speaker 1: He just doesn't have chest hair.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Anyway, we
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  Speaker 1: don't talk anymore. I made it weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you did.
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  Speaker 1: I texted. So for context, since this is a show
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  Speaker 1: people listen and watch with viewers, I texted Melissa and
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  Speaker 1: I asked her if I should shave my beard. And
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  Speaker 1: before she even answered, I shaved it. So that's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of the background there.
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  Speaker 3: And what I think is really funny is that Michael
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  Speaker 3: expected me to answer immediately because Just thinking that I
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  Speaker 3: don't have shit else to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. It's a Monday.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a Monday, a work day.
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  Speaker 1: Leave your meeting. Leave. Walk out.
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  Speaker 2: I had so many meetings today.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: So many.
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  Speaker 1: I hate that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like meetings become, when do we do the work?
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into a sidebar about meetings. Let's have a
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  Speaker 1: meeting about this meeting. And let's circle back with those
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  Speaker 1: KPIs on this meeting.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to synthesize. I have a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 2: We send text messages back and forth just saying shit
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  Speaker 2: like that. Taking a bird's eye view.
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  Speaker 1: From this vantage point?
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  Speaker 2: And we're always putting a pin in something and circling
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  Speaker 2: back after the holiday.
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  Speaker 1: Put a pin in my fucking voodoo doll if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to put a pin in something.
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  Speaker 2: It's so bad.
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  Speaker 1: Sick. Sick. Wait, so you and your friend just text
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  Speaker 1: back and forth shit like that?
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  Speaker 2: Just like that. That's literally all we do. All we
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  Speaker 2: do all day.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. And then you and your brother also have
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  Speaker 1: little personas, right?
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: So Melissa and her brother do joking, making fun of
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  Speaker 1: Beth and Jim. So, Melissa.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Jim. Hey, Beth. How about some coffee?
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  Speaker 1: White people voices.
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  Speaker 2: Those are our white people voices. I'll give the context
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  Speaker 2: and then I'll jump in. I mean, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there is any context, really.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that sometimes it will be someplace where,
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  Speaker 3: especially when we were both living in Brooklyn and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the gentrification of Brooklyn that has happened.
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  Speaker 2: And like every time you turn around, there's a new
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  Speaker 2: coffee shop.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: And Jim and Beth had completely taken over. And my
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  Speaker 3: brother would be like, yeah, Jim and Beth are standing
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  Speaker 3: in front of me getting some oat milk lattes.
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  Speaker 1: Melissa's telling me this. Meanwhile.
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  Speaker 2: You have an aunt and uncle named Jim and Beth.
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  Speaker 2: And you were like, wait, what? I was like, how
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  Speaker 2: do you know them?
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to pass out. She was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Beth and Jim. And I was like, wait, Beth and
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  Speaker 1: Jim from Setauket, Long Island?
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  Speaker 2: She's like, these are the.
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  Speaker 1: Fake names we give white people. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I know a couple Beths and a couple Jims. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know any. I'm dead.
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  Speaker 2: How was your weekend? What'd you do?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, so how do I frame this? I thought
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  Speaker 1: I met Britney Spears. And it turned out to be
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  Speaker 1: a man in a wig.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you told me this. Wait, did you send me
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  Speaker 2: the picture too?
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  Speaker 1: This is where, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That I didn't look at.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to throw up the video because it's my video.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Britney Spears crashed this party. And this is
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  Speaker 1: where my friend's a bartender. It's... I.
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  Speaker 2: Actually didn't look at it before.
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  Speaker 1: It is a man. That's a man. But I don't understand...
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  Speaker 1: She's a drag queen impersonator.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: The art of drag.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sure. We love that.
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  Speaker 1: But what– My friend Jeremy was feeding me drinks. And then–
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  Speaker 1: Our Jeremy? No, different Jeremy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And so the drag queen performer came on. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was Britney Spears. But for context, in New York,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes that happens. Kacey Musgraves like showed up at pieces
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  Speaker 1: the other night.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then Brad and I were at a party once
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  Speaker 1: and Kylie Minogue just started singing. So like, it was possible.
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  Speaker 3: I'm possible, but improbable?
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  Speaker 1: Well, re-watching the video back, I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: this is a little bit on me.
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  Speaker 2: How many drinks were you in? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It was a long night. We were out late. And
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  Speaker 1: I go out, but I don't go out late like this.
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  Speaker 1: This was like once in a lifetime late. How late?
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  Speaker 1: We were like watching the sunrise, getting home. This is mom,
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  Speaker 1: turn it off. This is not. I don't want my
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  Speaker 1: mom to hear.
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  Speaker 2: What do I say?
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm too long in the tooth to be
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  Speaker 1: out like that.
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  Speaker 2: Just to be out that late. To be out that late.
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  Speaker 1: My hip hurts. My back hurts the next day. My
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  Speaker 1: arthritis limping home from the club.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things my grandmother used to say that
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  Speaker 3: getting older was an affront.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And last week, I had the worst arthritis flare in
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  Speaker 3: my hip.
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  Speaker 1: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot describe the pain.
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  Speaker 1: Hip injuries, like any hip pain, it's brutal.
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  Speaker 2: I was on the verge of tears at least a
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  Speaker 2: few times.
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  Speaker 1: You're using your hip when you're sitting. You're using it always.
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  Speaker 2: You use it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: There's no moment when you're not using your hip.
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  Speaker 2: God forbid you go to church, sit up, stand up, kneel,
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  Speaker 2: and you're fucked up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to go to the bathroom at
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  Speaker 1: least a couple times a day. And then, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: if you've got a hip injury, my heart goes out
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Thoughts and prayers. Because did you get like an injection
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  Speaker 1: or something? Did it really hurt going in?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It did.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm scared of.
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  Speaker 2: And it takes a long time for it to work.
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  Speaker 1: Is it working now? Yes. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yay. I'm fine now.
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  Speaker 1: Wellness check.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're good. It works. It feels better now. But anyway, arthritis.
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  Speaker 1: Arthritis. Getting older. It's brutal. If you have tips or
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  Speaker 1: tricks or ways that isn't illegal drugs, stay up all
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  Speaker 1: night at the club in your old age. Let me know. Okay?
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  Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, Amanda Lepore. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into algorithm and show. You want to get into that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can, but you go first.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I was going to talk about the Lindsay Clancy
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  Speaker 1: trial because we finally got a verdict. That's been all
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  Speaker 1: over my feed.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a mistrial.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Sorry. That was like the outcome I meant, not
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  Speaker 1: the verdict. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. An outcome.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. But yeah, it's been all over my feed the
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  Speaker 1: past few weeks. I can't– it's extraordinary. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: way that that jury was– and now we're hearing from
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  Speaker 1: the jurors. So basically backing up. We got all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the end, closing arguments. They deliberated it for
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  Speaker 1: days and days and days. Finally, the jury comes back.
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  Speaker 1: They came back three times with deadlocked. Nothing's going to
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  Speaker 1: move forward. And the judge kept sending them back. And
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  Speaker 1: it was clear there was one juror who just was
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  Speaker 1: not listening to the law whatsoever and didn't understand or
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  Speaker 1: understood the law and refused to apply it was what
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  Speaker 1: they were saying. Now we're finding out about this juror.
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  Speaker 1: It was like this one guy who was like refusing to–
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  Speaker 1: understood he had doubts about probable cause and was refusing
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  Speaker 1: to apply the law to her situation. Crazy. And so
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  Speaker 1: now because it was a mistrial, they get a chance
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  Speaker 1: to redo the whole thing all over again.
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  Speaker 2: So will they?
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  Speaker 1: People are thinking they will because of what happened with
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  Speaker 1: Karen Reed. Same jurisdiction. Mm-hmm. And they just copy-paste, control-alt-delete,
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  Speaker 1: just redid the whole thing, even though there was all
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  Speaker 1: this public outcry, even though there was all this criticism
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  Speaker 1: of the case. They still just retried it again.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say if they decided not to, but just for
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  Speaker 3: argument's sake, right?
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  Speaker 2: What would happen to her? Would she just remain where
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  Speaker 2: she is? Because she's in the- a facility now, isn't she?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Would she stay there?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's like a good custody question. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because it's basically like pre-trial detention. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So even if there's no actual resolution to the case,
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  Speaker 2: because a mistrial is basically no resolution, yes?
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  Speaker 1: Right, yes.
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  Speaker 2: So she still would be in this facility even if
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  Speaker 2: nothing came of it.
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  Speaker 1: Even if– what do you mean? Like if they retried it?
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  Speaker 2: If they don't retry it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, if they don't retry it.
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  Speaker 2: If they do not retry it, what happens to her?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I thought you meant if they do retry it.
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  Speaker 1: If they don't retry it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then I guess– If they don't retry it, then that
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  Speaker 1: means they're dropping the charges. She's either charged or she isn't. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So if they're not retrying it.
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  Speaker 2: Then she's.
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  Speaker 1: Then.
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  Speaker 2: She's out.
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  Speaker 1: She's not being charged with anything. They can't hold you
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  Speaker 1: for more than 48 hours if you're not charged with
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  Speaker 1: a crime.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is all about Lindsay Clancy. I haven't gotten into
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  Speaker 1: any of the Karen Reid stuff. We could do that
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  Speaker 1: another day. Okay. Let's. I mean, we could do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know everything about that case. I love
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  Speaker 1: it too. But just talking about Lindsay Clancy, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she would if there are no charges, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I keep thinking about, like, Tayshia Fortune,
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  Speaker 1: who they just arrested someone for lynching her. And that
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  Speaker 1: will be a criminal trial of that person. They're saying
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be more arrests. And I'm also noticing
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  Speaker 1: that any video I make about Tayshia Fortune only gets
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  Speaker 1: a couple thousand views. If I say Lindsay... the minute
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  Speaker 1: the L gets out of my mouth, 2 million views.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, in this, I mean, as a
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  Speaker 1: content creator, I'm in this position where I'm actually watching
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  Speaker 1: this happen. And I'm just kind of like, obviously two
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  Speaker 1: very different cases. One is dealing with postpartum depression. And
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  Speaker 1: then the other case is dealing with lynchings in America.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. For some reason, I keep, connecting them
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  Speaker 1: in my mind just because they're both sort of like
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  Speaker 1: dominating the headlines in my space. And I'm just seeing
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  Speaker 1: how if we want to say we care about women
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  Speaker 1: when we're watching the Lindsay Clancy trial and we're worried
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  Speaker 1: about mothers and postpartum depression, we also have to give
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  Speaker 1: that same energy and attention. We can't just give it
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  Speaker 1: to the white woman who looks like us. We can't
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  Speaker 1: just give it to the mother because you are also
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  Speaker 1: a mother. You can't just give it Because, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: easier to relate to that person. And I feel myself
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  Speaker 1: do it as well when there is a gay white
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  Speaker 1: candidate or when there's like a gay white person who
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  Speaker 1: like has kids. I feel my hackles get raised when
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  Speaker 1: something happens to them because I'm like, that's me and
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  Speaker 1: my husband. When Brad and I got married, people were
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  Speaker 1: calling our offices telling us that like the devil's going
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  Speaker 1: to kill us or whatever. You know, like certain things
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  Speaker 1: hit closer to home when I see something like that
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  Speaker 1: happen to a gay person in the news.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes. And I don't think– we can't help that, right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because you see yourself in a situation. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that's so much of a problem, right? You know,
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  Speaker 3: if somebody is a parent and they see something happen
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  Speaker 3: to a child, you sort of imagine that's your child
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  Speaker 3: and what that would be like for you. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that that's very normal. I think what is– What
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  Speaker 3: should not be normal but is in this country is that,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how many times this country
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  Speaker 3: needs to show us how they do not care about
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  Speaker 3: Black people. And they don't care about Black women. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that's why we hear so much more about
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  Speaker 3: Lindsey Clancy.
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  Speaker 2: Because this poor white woman, right? This poor white woman
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  Speaker 2: who was struggling.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. The cops framed Karen Reed, right? And it's, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reason why it bugs me so much
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  Speaker 1: and why it's been kicking around in my head for
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  Speaker 1: a while is because so many people in my life
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  Speaker 1: were contacting me about Lindsay Clancy. So many people that
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  Speaker 1: follow me were contacting me, DMs, like, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: talking about this. Postpartum depression is so important. And it is. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we often get into this space where
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  Speaker 1: it's like there's only room for one issue to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just not the case. It's possible for all
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  Speaker 1: the issues to get attention and support. So I got
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  Speaker 1: so much communication sent to me about that trial. And
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  Speaker 1: then when I'm making videos about Tayshia Fortune and her death,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting nothing from those same people.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. the people who are reaching out to you about,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you also have to think about who's following you, right?
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  Speaker 2: What is your, I don't know, your fan base or
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, right?
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  Speaker 3: So if the majority of the people who follow you
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  Speaker 3: are white people, white women, then this issue, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's probably.
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  Speaker 1: I also, I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking like, It's not
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  Speaker 1: that it bothers me. It's that there's unconscious bias there.
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  Speaker 2: Or I don't know that it's unconscious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's me projecting possible unconsciousness.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, again, I mean, I think for some people
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  Speaker 3: it is unconscious. It just doesn't occur to them. And
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  Speaker 3: then for other people, they just don't give a shit.
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  Speaker 3: They just don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think really ask if like the Lindsay Clancy
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: trial was something that you obsessed over, you were in
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: on everything. You gave it your all. You were sleuthing
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: investigating on the internet about how you think Patrick allegedly
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: actually killed the kids and framed her. Ask yourself why
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: that was so important to you, but not these other cases,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: these black women who are getting lynched in America. You
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: don't know their name. You don't know anything about their case. Nothing.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Because I want people to really interrogate themselves on that.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is just like me being me.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: But.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I think also it depends on– if this is something
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: from social media, let's say, I think you and I,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: while there probably is some overlap, we don't see the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: same things.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: No. What do you see?
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, because every now and then
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I make a conscious decision to check out of the news.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Just because it's too much.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Trump's asleep. So like– He's checked out too.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Where is he?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Someone posted it. I just reposted it. I can't take credit.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Someone posted a Spirit Halloween banner at his office.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, I think it depends on what it
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: is that comes across your feed, number one. And number two, also,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: what is the media doing? The media has been covering
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy. I mean, like it's their job.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: So, that's been on the news. That's true. You're right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: It was live.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Everywhere.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't there like a court TV? The whole thing.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: And that is not happening with these lynchings. Of African-American people.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: It's not happening. And someone at TikTok has their thumb
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: on the scale. When the Lindsay Clancy video goes up,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: they pump it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: That's really true. I don't know. I don't want to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: minimize postpartum anything. Psychosis, depression, anything.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Michael, I think there is enough space. There's enough time
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: to talk about all the fucked up things that are
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: happening in this world.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There just are, right? Yeah. not enough of the.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Voices are being listened to. I think there are a
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: lot of people talking about these things, but they're not
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: being heard. And is it because the social media, whatever
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: the platform is, is purposely holding things back?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: No, me neither.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I think when I was talking about it, it was like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a man's talking about postpartum depression? That's a first. There
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: were just so few times in media where dudes are
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: talking about this stuff.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think that they're talking about it
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: because of what happened. If the topic was just.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Not just, but if it was not about Lindsey Clancy.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: The trial. Right.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: If it wasn't a trial and the tragedy around it
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: that got picked up by the news and it was sensationalized,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: that is why it made the rounds.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: But if it was just a conversation about postpartum depression
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and postpartum psychosis, it would not have the same traction,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I think the reason why so many
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: people were talking about it, including men- was because of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the trial.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Extreme circumstances. Correct.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: And as an attorney, you are a trial attorney, that's
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: why you were talking about it. If it was just
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a general conversation about it, you probably wouldn't. And that's,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it's okay. Do you know what I mean?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: It is okay because it's not something– what would not
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: be okay is if we were having a conversation about
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: it and you disregarded it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: That would not be okay.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: But it is okay that postpartum depression or perimenopause or
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: any of the issues that have to do with what
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: happens to cis women, it would be okay if that
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: was not across your radar. because that's not what you
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: engage in. I can't tell you. My feed is full
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: of menopause stuff.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Why? Because that's what I engage in.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Also mine. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I know everything.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Because all my friends are approaching menopause or going through
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it or having kids or– Every single one of my
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: friends is a woman. I don't talk to men.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: That's not true.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I don't like them.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, fair, same. But that's not true. I don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: like them. That's not true.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I have some men in my life, but for the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: most part, it's women of a certain age. Of a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: certain age.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Of a certain vintage.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: What age is that?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You tell me.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I know. Sometimes I'll be talking to a friend who
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: has a kid going through something and I'm like, Oh, yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I've got like 10 friends who have a similar situation.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like the intersection of all of like in this
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: like weird way. Why? You would never know this person,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: but I've got three friends in a different region because
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: they're all women who have gone through similar things. I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's funny how like different friend groups kind
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of they don't know each other, but then I'm the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: intersection kind of.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Makes sense.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So your feed's all menopause stuff.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: My feet's all menopause stuff. And I've also, for whatever reason,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: been engaging in hoarder houses.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Roll up your sleeve. Get into it. I love.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And every time that happens, I immediately go to my closet.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, Melissa. Melissa texted me. Throw up the text, CJ.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Throw it up. Melissa texted me and she said, why
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: do I have five pairs of white jeans?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It's four pairs of white jeans.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I have four pairs of white jeans and I don't
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: know why. You don't own a yacht. I did figure
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: out that three of them are different styles. So there's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: a cropped, there's a wide leg, and a straight leg.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: But they're two straight legs.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I know. I have said this before. And I mean this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I need.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a benevolent stylist.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Please help.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Who, and it can't be Michael because a couple of
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: people say, oh, ask Michael. Michael is useless.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I really am. I really am.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: We would get absolutely nothing done.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: We get nothing done and I don't understand women's.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Fashion at all.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And I sent this to Michael and I said, I
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: know that you are not this gay man, but as
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: my friend, I need you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: To like- So it's a cry for help.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a cry for help.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a- Whenever a friend calls me and they're telling
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: me something trivial about their life, I say, I hope
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you get the help you need.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But you're not going to get it from me.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I hope you get the help you need.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I know. Let's add that to our vocal stems. We've
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: got what's going on in the home.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: What's going on in the home?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Four white pants. Four pairs of white pants. That's what's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: going on in the closet. And then I hope you
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: get the help you need.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I hope you get the help that you need.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Did you get rid of a pair?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I did not get rid of.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: You didn't get rid of the five?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't get... What I did was instead... I just
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: organized everything. So now all the white pants are in
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And the thing about it is, I will say also,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: is that seasonally, I take my stuff out and I
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: swap it out for the other stuff.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Well, is it seasonally you take it all out, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you don't.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Get rid of it?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes I do get rid of things. Okay.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: She takes it out and puts it somewhere else.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I take it out and I put it in
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a space bag and I suck out the air and
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I put.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: It under my bed.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And you know what? It's not a problem if it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: under the bed. There were once four great houses, wide leg,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: boot cut, low rise.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I need a pair of boot cut jeans.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: A pair of white boot cut jeans.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: You're going to, okay, so hoarder houses.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Hoarder houses.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And so what I've really been into, so the hoarder
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: houses have gotten me into the people who buy hoarder
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: houses are, And with the idea of emptying out the
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: hoarder house and like renovating the hoarder.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: House, right?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, so crazy people.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: They're actually, it's a way, it's kind of a way
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to get a deal.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Because they're basically giving the house away.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I'll give you 10 grand cash.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Just take it. Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: But there's this one couple and they live in the
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: UK someplace and they bought this house to get in
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the house. They had to get a ladder, go in
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: through a window.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Because the house is full to the ceiling with shit.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be sick.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: And what they said was that there was an older
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: man living in the house. And what the neighbor said
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: was he couldn't get in through the door.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: No. He had to climb in through his window.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I hope he gets the help he needs.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I think he's no longer with us.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Whenever I see those hoarder shows, they're always like, They
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: pull this and it's like from under the sofa, it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: like the cat. That's been there for 20 years.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Not this house, but in other houses that I've seen.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It's like, forgive me, like liquefied cat in the refrigerator.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: It's really bad.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: It is. But I just think about... the illness, the pathology. Yes.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Like, what is that about?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And then instantly, that's what sends me to my closet
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: because I can't be that person.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get rid of one of the pairs
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of white pants.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: One of them.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I will say, I can't get past the white pants
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: because white pants never fit me. They never give at all.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Whatever the material is, so the... The fact actually, it's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: really impressive that four pairs of white pants fit you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and you're like going to keep them and continue to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: wear them. Well, I don't- So like credit where credit's due.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they all fit me great.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I was trying to give you a little- I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: know you were trying to help.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So they don't fit and you're still keeping them?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: They do fit, but sometimes it's the kind of thing,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and I was talking to my cousin about this, it's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: like my weight will fluctuate.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: So you want to be contingency.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: But like- Five pounds either way, and not that it's
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: that big of a deal, but five pounds either way
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: can change the way that something fits you.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: So even if you're not fixated on the number on
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the scale, it's the way that it fits. So I
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: have these– whatever.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: You know what? I don't want to talk about this anymore.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I do.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Basically, I'm asking for help.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: If you are an up-and-coming stylist and you want to
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: help my ass and you are kind– Come on over.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I know exactly who's going to help you. Who? My
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: friend Devin runs the store Maison Emmett in Williamsburg. I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: hosting a fundraiser there on Friday. You're going to come. Oh,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that's right. It's the unofficial Michael and Melissa meet and greet. Sure, sure, sure.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And it's a fundraiser for Hands Off NYC is the name.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit that supports like grassroots organizing against ICE
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: in local New York City neighborhoods. So they'll like come
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and do trainings at your like group of friends and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you're on your block and they'll train you on like
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: what to do if there's ice presents in Queens or
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn or whatever.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And so it's just a fun reserve for them. Five bucks,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to donate at the door. I'm going
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to throw a link in my bio if people want
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to just, if they can't go. But she's got this
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: great boutique and it's all like genderless and sizeless clothing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: How does that work? So with her. So she'll pull
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: pieces for you. You'll try them on. She'll like, Modify them,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: take them, and she's got a team of seamstresses. Okay.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What's the male seamster?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Taylor?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Taylor. Thank you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: That's sisterhood. I'm here to help.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Devin?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's great. She's going to do you a prey.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: She gave me a pair of pants. We tailored them.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They looked snorched. I walked by. You know the hot
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: priest from Fleabag? Yes. Andrew Scott stopped me. We got
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a gasp in the studio. Stopped me and asked where
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I got my pants. He was like, I really, and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: then he said, you've got great style. And I said,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I got them from my friend Devin.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Devin.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I actually then also said the most insane thing to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: him because I panicked because I realized who he was.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know. I think, I don't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: know if I have the meat for these pants. That's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what I said to this poor fucking man, this lovely Irishman.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And I did a little like gesture movement when I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: said meet. Like I kind of like grabbed my hips.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It was sick. It was sick. Anyway, another day of
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: alienating men.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That's what you do best.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful day.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It's what you do best.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful day to alienate a man. Get out there, everyone.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Really quickly, there is.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: This one thing that I want to chat about because
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I was so offended by this.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: The presence of the United States. Oh, no.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: We almost got through a whole episode without talking about him.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, anyway. So it was the 25th anniversary of
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: September 11th.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Very serious and somber occasion. And this man, as he
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: always does, as he is wont to do, figured out
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: a way to talk about himself.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Centered himself.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And lied.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I don't understand why. what is happening again. And what
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I really wish that I had not done is I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: call it the great purge of 20 I got rid
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: of the people in my life who were Trump supporters.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: And then every now and then I would go back,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I would make an assessment and I would get rid.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Of some more. It was really methodical.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I was so, and I was inviting people to get out.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: If you are still here, It's a privilege, not a right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You do not.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I say this, listen, I say this to KP all
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the time and to a lot of the other young
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: men and women in my life. Not everybody gets to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: have access to you.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Access is a privilege.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It is a privilege. Yeah. And I don't owe anybody
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: my time. I really don't.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And the sooner you realize that, the better. Like I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: figured it out deep into my 30s, but if I figured.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: It out sooner- I would have been unstoppable.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So much time. So much time. I spend on relationships
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that friendships. People don't want to have me in their
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: life at all.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Friendships, relationships, you know, jobs, work. Listen, not everybody gets
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: to have access to me. But I ask people, I'm like, listen,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: if you are still here and you are a supporter
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: of this current president.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Get out. And I really wish that I had not
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: done that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So you could be like, what are you thinking now?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: What are you thinking now? What do you think?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: It is not enough for me to see the person
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: who was singing, I will vote for Donald Trump being like,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I made a mistake.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: The one Rockette who performed at the inauguration.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: It's not enough.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I am genuinely curious for the people who support him.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I really want to know. What are you thinking?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It's given people has dementia and they gave him the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: iPhone and he did. And he said he said they
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: carried him out of the towers.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And it was two big, strong firemen. What?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's not even a good lie. It's easy
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to verify.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's so easy to verify. What is happening?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I told my parents I had never walked the dog
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: a day in my life when I was 15, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I was a chain smoker. And I came home and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to take the dog out
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: for a walk. My parents were like, why are you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: walking the dog? I came home reeking of cigarettes. That's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the kind of lie that is.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's so fucking stupid. And it makes me so sick.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: It really, really, especially, you know, it's one thing for
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: him to center everything around himself and to talk about
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: himself and he's a me, me, me guy. But I
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: feel like, and I don't mean to suggest that September
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: 11th was only impactful for those of us who live
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: in New York, but there is something about having been here,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: having watched this happen, knowing people who knew people who
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: passed away.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That makes it feel especially galling to hear this
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: man center it around himself. And it is a lie.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: We know he wasn't.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: At the tower. We know you weren't there.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: You were on Epstein Island. There are probably more logs
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of him on Epstein Island than... Than there were of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: him ever being at the World Trade Center.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: To be fair, that's not where he was.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Where was he?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: He was here.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Just that one time he wasn't.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And I think– I actually think he was on the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Howard Stern Show when it was happening.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: So, he was literally being recorded live, not at the towers.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And what's more is.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: After the towers fell, he was just like, well, it
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: looks like my building is the tallest building in New
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: York now.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: So– That is crazy. It's giving– what's the amendment where
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: we can remove the precedent for being old and crazy
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and demented? That one.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: That one. That one.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: We don't even need to know it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: We don't even need– CJ will throw up a little
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: thingamajig to let us know. We're going to move my.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Mouth and we'll just have CJ's voice.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That really, really– Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. We're going to take a break because Lisa Traeger
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is in the studio. Yay! So I'm really excited. I'm
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: so pumped to have her. We'll be right back with
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: our extra special guest. I never met you in real life.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: No, because you showed up an hour and a half late. Okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: In my defense, I was two hours late.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And it was to a Robin concert.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how late you were. I was pushing
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it with that friend group I was with. Cause I
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: like to be there for open, like, you know, but
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: they wanted a pregame. They wanted a thing. So we
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: arrived at eight 30. She gets on at nine. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I think I got your texts at 10.22, 10.30, 10.50. Okay.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: But you got the encore.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: In my defense, it was two hours and I was asleep. Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So that's why I wasn't there. I did fall asleep.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But I woke up and I got there for an
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: hour of Robin.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And she's incredible.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Had drinks, danced. It was so fun.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: She's the coolest girl in the world.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Missed you completely.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Did not meet you at all in person. And then
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I left and I invited you. I was like, I'm
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: going out if you want to come. But I think
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you were in a different direction.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: In my head, I was going to go home. And
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: then we did stay out for one. And then the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: next thing you know, it's 2.30 in the morning. I
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: don't know. Do you know Jake Cornell? No.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know. Yes, I've seen his TikToks. Yes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I just do whatever he tells me to do.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Love that.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I'm friends with a few controlling people.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And they know stuff. So I just follow them.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Anyway, if you're just joining us here on Brief Recess.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: We are joined by the inimitable Lisa Trager.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And she's super excited to be here. I'm going to
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: speak on her behalf.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Because she loves having controlling gay men in her life.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: They know everything. Before I go on dates, I'm like,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: where should I go? What should I see?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Like, everything.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. I have one guy. He pays for everything, too.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: But he'll be like, dress nice tonight.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. Wait. That's a fin don.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Reservations at 9.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Come. And I go, okay. Oh, okay. I'm on my way. Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I'm on my way.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: You're touring right now. Stand up comedy.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I'm always touring. I'm just on the road. There's never
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: a tour.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: There's never like a specific tour.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I'm just a working comedian.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I always wondered how that works.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: If I was popular, like in that way, if I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: was more popular, like it could be like an official
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: tour and then you do this or you do that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I just take gigs all year round as
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: they come in. And I just say yes. So I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: just always on the road and tickets are always available.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Amazing. Okay. Where are you headed after this?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So I just got back from Dallas yesterday.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: So you're there for Trumpapalooza.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I got in right after.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: So that's why– no, my Uber driver was pissed. There
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: was a lot of traffic. He goes, because they're all leaving.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And he was like, chill. He was like, go get
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: margaritas here. Like he was helpful. He likes to go fishing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And then they're really chatty outside of New York City.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Every– when you travel.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I know. And I am not good at that. I
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: don't like– Talking to people I don't know. When you're
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: on a 6 a.m. flight and then you arrive and
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: then they go, you look tired. And it's like, well, yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It's 7 in the morning. What the fuck? Like, what
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: do you want from me? I just got off a plane.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: What do you think? How was the flight?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm alive.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Like, what do you want? But I am friendly and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I do get a lot of information from them.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And usually they are good recommendations. Where were you? You
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: were like in Albuquerque or something. And you were texting
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: me from the back of a cab and you were like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: what is happening?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Albuquerque was weird. It is a weird place, but
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I went to visit Breaking Bad locations. Okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: So I did not know that– I didn't watch Breaking Bad,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: so I didn't know that it was– I didn't. So
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that it was filmed in Albuquerque. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: when I get there, all this Breaking Bad shit is everywhere.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And my brother was obsessed with Breaking Bad.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: So I took a selfie with the statue. uh but
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: she didn't know who was yeah i went to the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: house i went to the car wash yeah i did
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: it it's like.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: The straightest thing about me is that show.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: No it it changed television it was like huge that
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and mad men like that was an era of television
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: that was just really incredible and i didn't see mad
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: men but like that breaking bad is one of the best.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Shows ever made not a single gay character in breaking
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: bad yeah yeah i mean yeah i they've been.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Well there's fan theories that gus was gay Oh, yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, that moment where they pan.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Spoiler.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: We're not going to spoil.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Spoiler the gay sex scene with Gus.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: No, but when they pan that, like, it really is.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: It really is. I know. My brother has told me
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that many times. He's like, you have to watch it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: It's so good. Whenever the time is right, you're going
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: to be really happy.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Okay. It is. And I rewatched it, I feel like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a couple years ago. And I was like, this actually
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: holds up.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I want to wait until I'm in a deep romantic
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: relationship to rewatch that with somebody. Oh, yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: What happens if the person that you're in the romantic
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: relationship with is not into it?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Will you break up? I can't even imagine. Yeah. I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: really can't even imagine.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: You won't get past the first date. If they're not
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: going to be into it. Like you'll be able to tell.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You'll be able to suss it out.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so good. So it's their first watch
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: or a rewatch. Maybe if they don't want to rewatch.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's really, I don't know how you
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: could not like it. I'm curious to meet someone who
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't like it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: When you dream about like having a deep romantic relationship,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: what is the thing that like stands out in your
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: mind as like the goal moment? Like for some people
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, Watching movies on the sofa and like, you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like what is like the thing you think about when
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you imagine your future relationship?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's like all the things I do
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: by myself. Like when you're alone, it's like depressing. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: then when you're not for me. Like I'm fine. I'm
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: always by myself, but like, yeah, mostly lounging.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I think lounging or like walking. I'll go into the movies. Okay.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: But they have to behave. That's actually something that I
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: would break up with someone about.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: They have to behave.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: If they want to talk.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: You said that like they're guns with some wild animals.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I don't go with friends.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I don't go with anyone.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have a friend who checks his phone. Yeah,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I would never. Absolutely not. I know people that talk,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: people that don't want the previews. Like, I don't want
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: A part of it. Shoes off, tootsies.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: In the air. No, I would hate that too.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Just putting their little feet in front of the screen
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Don't embarrass me at the movies. And don't piss me off. Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Don't piss me off.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Have we been to a movie together? Have you been
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to a movie where there was extreme reactions in the audience?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Well, if it's a horror movie and you're scared and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: you scream, that's like fine. That's a natural reaction. We're laughing.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: We're saying someone taught you. Whoa, that was hot. Like
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a word here and there. But like.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: What about disobedience when they're spitting in each other's ears?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You didn't see it?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, you have to see it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: This is going to be the question we ask every guest.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Do you see disobedience? And what do you think about this?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I use it for like, I play a lot of
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: movie games on my laptop. And so disobedience, I use
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a lot, but I haven't watched it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Oh. No. Okay. So you can, when you are in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a deep loving relationship, that is one to watch together.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think going to the movies, I think you
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: go to the movies more often when you're like with somebody.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: We're both partnered.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I– And you're not going to the movies.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: We went to the movies the other day for the
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: first time in over a year. We saw– Odyssey?
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see it. I'm going to wait until
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it's on Delta.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Why do you want to go pay money to watch
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: white men fail?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Well, because I love Song of Achilles, so I am
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: curious to see those guys, I guess.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I will say the things you're dreaming about in your
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: relationship of like, oh, these things are depressing when I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: do them alone.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not depressing.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's actually worse when it's with someone.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I kind of regret even saying that because I don't
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: think it's depressing. I enjoy my life. But yeah, like
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: lounging at the park. I go to the park to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: read a lot. But when I see a couple and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: they're both reading on a blanket, I'm like, that's nice.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I've literally never done that. And I've been
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: married for seven years and in a relationship for 11.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So what are you guys up to?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: What's your answer?
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: If I went to a park with Brad and we
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: were reading, I would be like, what is that noise
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you're making with your jaw? And why are you chewing?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And if you breathe one more time, I'm going to
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: get a glock. It's going to be a glock. If
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I hear you gnash your teeth.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: But that could be anywhere. Anywhere.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Right. And then home alone time, you want to be
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: home with it? No, you don't.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, you do.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: You want to be alone?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: You want some quiet alone time?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: No. I will say what I... The thing I.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: That I don't love about my relationship. And this is
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: not even a big deal. It's not even a big deal.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: We brought you on to bitch to you about our husband.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: But it seems to me, so my husband and I
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: live in an apartment. We only have one bathroom. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: swear to God, that man waits until I'm in there
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: before he's just like, I have to use the bathroom.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And it's so frustrating. And he waits until I'm in there,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: either like drying my hair or putting on makeup. But
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: he's just like, hey. And I'm like, I was asleep.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You had all this time.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: What were you doing?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm asleep all the time. You could be doing all
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: of this stuff.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: All this stuff that you feel the need.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: It's like Mad Max, they need the witness. Before the,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: why do you need a witness? For every, when you're
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: getting ready.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: My parents fight, have been fighting about the temperature of
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the house. Very classic.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Your whole life.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: My whole life.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Your whole life.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It's too hot. It's too cold. My dad's like, who
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: changed it? I'm sure they changed it. They wake up
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. One of them goes down,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: changes it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: The sleuth.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: It's like they're constantly at a war with the temperature
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: of the home.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: There will never be a solution.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, you know what else? Because sometimes when you
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: go out to eat by yourself, I want to order
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: more stuff, but I'm just one person. With friends I'm sharing,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: but that would be nice to share sides.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go out with you.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are going to.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: We're going to go on a date, and you're going
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to really regret saying you want to part your brother's stuff.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, so one of my friends has been in
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a relationship for about eight months, and his boyfriend finally went, listen,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I need to talk to you. I do not like
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: sharing food. I want my own entree. That is a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: deal breaker for me. No. And we had gone on
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: a trip together, and we didn't even offer that option
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to him. Everyone was just ordering everything. We were all
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: eating stuff, and he finally had to do it.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I'm imagining this whole time they've been eating a sandwich
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: from the opposite ends, and he's like, I just have
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to tell you. Lady and the Tramp. He's like, I
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: have to tell you, I hate sharing food.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, no, we've got to get two sandwiches,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: and then half and half, and then you get to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: try it all. Yes.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Because I like.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: To go to S & P and get a sandwich,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: but I don't have enough room for the fries, but
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I want to try the fries. Yes.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: No, I don't like people who, I do not like,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: first of all, there's like a whole thing about picky eaters,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: but we're not going to get into it. But I
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: also don't like people who don't share food. That is,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to me, that is like a personality flaw.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went out with like a big group and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: there's a married couple and they both got the duck.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And I go, why would you both get the duck?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And it's stayed with me now for years. Like I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: bring it up to the, like it really bothers me.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Like if you're.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Going to like Red Hook Tavern, you're both getting burgers,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: everyone gets the burger. Like that makes sense to me.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: You're going to Peter Luther, like yes, it makes sense.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: But... No, even there, you would share the steak. Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And then you'd get all the sides. And then you'd
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: get some lobster tails or something, too, you know?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: They both got the duck.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: They both got the duck. And they're like, well, we
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: both want the duck. I go, but you could... It
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: bothered me. No, that would bother me, too.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: They're... Divorce. Divorce.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Especially if it's like, if you go to a really
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: good Chinese place and you both get the same thing.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: That is insane to me. No. That's absolutely.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Well, Chinese food is different. You have to order Chinese food.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: The group. You have to get a lot. Yeah. It
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: gets better with age. Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's for the day. And then you're full, but
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: then two hours later, you're not full. Yes.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: You want to pick out a little bit. And there's
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: no such thing as a serving size with Chinese food.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: It is just you're having Chinese food.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Right. The giant shared plate.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is this Chinese
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: place on Long Island that we go to that we-
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So you travel for it. We love. We go, whenever
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: we're out on Long Island, we always go here for
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Chinese food. And we like it better than New York
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: City Chinese food. Because it's suburban Chinese food. It is
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: American Chinese food. It's not like... It's not like real
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Chinese food? It's not real Chinese food. It's a different
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: cuisine entirely.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I want crab rangoon. Yeah. All day, every day.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: That's not actually... No, and I.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Don't need that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Not everything has to be everything. That's another pet peeve
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I have when you want a Taco Bell or Domino's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: or something like that, and the people want to be like,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: that's what you want taco it's like it's actually i
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: know the difference between tacos and taco bell and i
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: don't need this conversation if i want cilantro and onions
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: only i'll do that on a different day like i
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: don't like the i don't like the lecturing when you
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: think you know more than me about something it's like
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: no i know about consumers i know about this like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: shut the fuck up Fake intellectualism.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: No one's going to Taco Bell and being like.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: This is local taco stand in New York.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: You would get Taco Bell in LA? Yeah, I'm hungover.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I want.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I'm blackout drunk. What are you talking about?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Why are you trying to logic with a girl who
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: is blackout drunk? Why are you trying to mansplain this
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: to me?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I got drunk last night. I'm really struggling today.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Nothing. I did a show at Bell House. Bell House!
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: There were a few people. And then when I went
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to get just a Tito's soda, the bartender went, a double.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And I went, sure. Okay.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Tea.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And then that was that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: At the Robin concert, I ordered a double and it
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: was like, it was like a super, it was huge.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm actually like not that fun. I don't drink
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: at concerts or anything because I don't want to pee
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to miss anything.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: So you sound really neurotic to go to a concert with.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I have to say. I was late. You don't want
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to drink anything.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone was on Molly. I was depressed that day, actually,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: so I didn't do my Molly because I didn't want
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to risk it. I feel like.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: It might have helped, right? It can take a turn.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It could take a turn, and I just really wanted
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to experience Robin.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And one time I got blacked out at a Chicks concert,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and I don't remember anything. No. No. And so I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: just try to be present so I could remember.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It was a pre or post George Bush quote, comment.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: It was probably post.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: No, post.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It was definitely post them saying they hate George Bush.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: It was still the Dixie Chicks when I went though.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Before they became the chicks.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: The rebrand, yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But at MSG. But like, yeah, once I... It's like
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: you're spending... You're waiting to... I just want to make
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: sure I'm like witnessing it all. Yeah, no. Sometimes people
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: want to hang out with me and then they never
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: call me again. Like I think people think I'm more
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: fun than I am.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: No, no. I think.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think you're fun? I can, but sometimes I
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: do feel bored. Like, sometimes I'm talking, I'm like, I'm
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: so boring. But this happened once where this girl, like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: kept messaging me, like, we need to get a hang,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: we gotta hang, and then we hung out, and, like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I never heard from her ever again.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: No, I love that.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about cutting people out of your life.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: You might be that person. Yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: No, but I think it's okay to do that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's okay for you to do that to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: other people, too.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: No, I actually, I've had some friendships end. I've been
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: insecure about my friendship sending, but. I'm not like sad
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not friends with them anymore. So I'm okay with that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Some people you just were like, you know what? That's okay.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: That person was dead weight or that person shifted. Now
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: they're weird conservative. Like that, that especially is a big
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: one for me.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I think people that I.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Politically.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Politically. You got to get rid of some people.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Right now it's like, if you hate mom, Donnie, I
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: kind of look at you a little different.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. Yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I stopped speaking to a friend because of that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: He got so aggressive. I'm like, well, you're an idiot.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I think because I'm so outspoken on the internet about politics,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: people wouldn't even comment me with an anti-Mum Donnie kind
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of POV.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You don't think they would?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And he's been here a minute. It's been what? It's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: been almost a year?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It's about a year. That is kind of like- I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: just have never seen a mayor crush it like this.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: He really is. I mean, we haven't had a mayor
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: crush it in a long, ever. And I'm Chicago, Mayor Daley.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, what a nightmare, you know. And right before
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: he left, he sold all public parking to his cousins,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: like private parking. That's right. So now it's like $ 5
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: for half hours downtown. You know, it's like insane. And
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: he signed like a hundred year contract with these parking
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: people and then left office.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, Mamdani did drop 170,000 files about 9-11. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Like, go– And then Amazon tried to do something. He's like, well,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: now you owe $ 9 million. Like, I love the pettiness
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of him. Like, it is just, like, so exciting. Isn't it?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: It's so good. People– I don't see how they can–
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: people can get really mad or upset with him when
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: he's doing, like, a food pantry for pets. It's like
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: feeding kittens. Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: You know exactly what it is and that's just what
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: it is yeah and so like it doesn't matter what
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: he's doing or not they just are like everyone that
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: i've that doesn't like him it's for one particular reason
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: yeah and which isn't even real yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: They're like you walk outside you get stabbed they're.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Like he hates jewish people right i go okay sure
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: i'm jewish i don't i don't find him like hateful
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: towards me towards you personally well that's what one of
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: my friends goes he goes My wife's been attacked twice.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And I go, I've been attacked on the streets. I
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: never blamed the mayor. What are we talking about? You
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: think Eric Adams would have done better? Could be just
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: a baby doll, but also it could be a place
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: where you could secrete or hide drugs.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: He was flying out of nowhere in a Spider-Man.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Suit and saves you. He goes, ah, the safety. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I go, no, I've definitely been attacked in the streets.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Yeah, but it's not because
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: of him. That's so weird. It's a weird hill to
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: die on. It is a weird hill to die on.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: It is a weird way to get mad about something.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, no, I think it's because your
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: in-laws have an apartment here.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: And they don't live here. I think that's what it is, actually.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Your in-laws have an apartment on the Upper West Side. Yeah.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I think they're pissed about that. But even that's been
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: so fun where the people in Florida are like, no,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: it's my primary residence. And then he goes, oh, so
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: then you owe back taxes for that.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, no.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: It's just fun. I love attitude.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: It's getting very petty.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I love someone with just some attitude. No one's cool anymore.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: No one's cool anymore. And I do feel like because
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: he'll never run for president, he's like, I'm just going
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to fucking light it all on fire. Let's do it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: He messy, petty little bitch is about it. He's like,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you know what? Let's roll.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's cool anymore. Because even yesterday, so the
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: show I do kind of quarterly, it's called Show and Tell.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: And it's like grade school. And people bring items. And
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I bring items. I host it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Where is it?
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I've done it at Union Hall a bunch. I've now
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: started a series at Bell House doing it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Okay. I bet people bring some weird fucking shit.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Well, comics get so– they're like, well, what kind of thing?
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: What kind of stuff? And it's like, you'll figure it out.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: You're all professionals. You'll figure it out. They always all crush.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: But it ranges. But one girl did bring a full
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: bench and had this story about the bench. But people
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: bring things and then afterwards they're like, did you tape it?
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: We could do clips. You should tape this and then
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: clips and this.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't want to.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Can we just have a fun night? Can we just
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: have a fun night? These people laughed. We all had fun.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be content. We went drinking. It
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be content.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: And I get that they want clips that aren't standard.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I understand all of it, but I'm like, can we
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: not just have a night where we're just doing a show?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Not everything has to be content. I don't want a tripod.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to spend $ 500 hiring someone. I don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been re-watching Sex and the City.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I think about Sex and the City almost every single
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: day of my life. It is my favorite show. Every
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: day of my life. I do Sex and the City trivia.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: There's a board game from the early 2000s. I do
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it with friends. I have that. Yeah. My friend does
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: a Sex and the City bus tour. That was her
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: day job. I've been to the tour. I've visited the airport.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I am in. I've been to the– She's all in.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: She's 10 toes down, 10 bankers down. I go everywhere. Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Same with housewives.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I guess I like to visit the things people– yeah.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I think about all of them.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: You like to go to the place. Do you do–
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: so you recap SVU episodes on your podcast. That's messed up.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: An exactly right production. Do you visit the– have you
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: been to sets of SVU?
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: So I bombed an audition in 2014 at Chelsea Piers.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, so tell us how that went. So I did
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: get to go there. If you want to do reenacted
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: straight to camera, the entire audition, what happened?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Well, the first– I walked– he went, you're like– You
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: need to stop smiling. This person's just at work. It
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: was like a process server, but I was so happy
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: to be there.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I also wasn't experienced enough. You're playing a corpse. Why
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: are you smiling?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Why? Yeah, I just wasn't ready and professional enough at
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: that point. I've become so much better at acting.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Well, you figured out really fast that people actually don't
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: smile at work.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: It was just too good.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Nobody smiles at work.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: No one's happy in the workplace. And then the line
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: was just like, Detective Benson. And then she would go, yes.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: And then I would be like, this is for you.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: And then I accidentally gave the paper before I asked
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the name. And they just went, you need to get
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: out of here. And I left. And I didn't get
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: an audition again until like three years ago.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: They said, don't call us. We'll call you.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I, you know, yeah. But I got one
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: three years ago and then I got one last week.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: When this comes out, you might be on set.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: It's exciting. And people come back all the time.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: But I'm always happy to be just a fan, but
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: always trying to get into everything that I love.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Because when you're a fan and then you get a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of that behind the scenes peek of how
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: it's made, I think it was crazy.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: But I do wonder if you were able to get
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: on and you're sort of there behind the scenes, is
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: it going to be like, Oh, is it going to
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: be like a little bit like if you saw like
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Big Bird in the corner? No, because I've been on
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: other sets. But we also, do you know what I mean? No, no, no, no.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Is Big Bird still Big Bird if he's in a
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: plastic bag in the corner?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, it wouldn't change it. Because we also like
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: for the podcast, we interview actors from it. So it's like,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: we know how things work. And then like, you know,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I know... I know that it's a set. I know
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the stuff. But with SVU, what they do– they are
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: shooting on the streets. And rain or shine, snow. They
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: shoot no matter what.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: They don't mess around.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: So it would be still a unique experience.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: My friend, I was on a Zoom call with her
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: for work. And they were filming SVU in the house,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: the apartment next to hers. And you could hear someone
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: screaming on her Zoom call. They were murdering someone. And
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: they had to tell everyone in the building– That there
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: was going to be murder.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Right. That's actually like one of the SVU tropes that
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: have happened throughout the decades is like cops go into
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: a thing and it's a student film, you know, like
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: someone called and that's like.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: A- Oh, that happens on SVU.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: That happens on SVU.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not a watcher.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't watch SVU?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I don't. Really?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Not at all?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: No.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting. Even at hotels? What's your hotel watch?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I will watch The Good Wife. Okay. Love The Good Wife.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: What channel is that on at hotels?
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Especially if I'm traveling, it's usually because I'm going to
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: a trial and I'm like, I need to watch a
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: trial get resolved quickly in 40 minutes. Right. And with
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a positive outcome.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: With lawyers just sort of like– and everything just like
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: works out. There are so many like loose threads in
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: a trial. Yeah. Just you don't get answers on 80%
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of the evidence you have. The documents are a disaster
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: or evidence shows up at the last second. Like crazy
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: shit goes down that– It's just so cathartic to watch
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a trial where literally everything gets buttoned up, including your marriage,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: by the 42-minute mark. Damn, that's nice.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: So it's like a fun fantasy for you.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: It's really nice. Yeah, yes. It's like better than porn.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Just like watching The Good Wife or The Good Fight
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: where just like everything gets just like tied up in
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: a neat little bow at the end.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I should get into The Good Wife.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It's so good. I prefer The Good Fight. You did.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: What's the difference? The characters are different. What's her name?
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Baranski.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Baranski is in it. And I just love her so much.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: She's so good. And I just thought it was a–
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: and Audra McDonald is in it. It was just– I
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was– and I did enjoy The
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Good Wife, but The Good Fight for me was just
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: more interesting.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And it was a little bit more– I mean, The
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Good Wife was kind of like OG procedural. I mean,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: it was like 2008, 2009. It's not OG. No, but
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like very different. Not like OG, but like it's a
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: very different sort of like procedural structure than The Good Fight,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: which was totally dispersed with kind of that structure. Okay.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: So it's not a procedural The Good Fight.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: It's more– It is, but they take it a little
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: more loose.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not as– It'll be– the trial will
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: be over like that. Because I used to watch The
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Practice as a kid. I remember watching The Practice. I
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: like The Practice. I remember being on the edge of
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: my seat. The Practice was good. No, I grew up
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: on TV and movies. Yeah, I'm like a TV– yeah,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a watcher.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: In Chicago.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, in the Burbs, in the basement.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so you're– so you got tickets going on
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: sale soon?
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Not always. Always.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: They're always.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And I update the links by myself. So sometimes people
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: will be like, where is the ticket?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: It's DIY. And I'm just like, I don't do it yet.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: You can't do it. Like, people are so helpless these days.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: How do I find tickets? I don't know. Search for it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: How do I find stuff? Right. I don't understand. It's like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: you have to have the link. You have to do
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: the buy.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: You have to do it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, if you wanted to go to something, wouldn't
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: you like... People are really, really fucking helpless. It's very,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: it's frustrating.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: It is the iPad babies because I launched a merch
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: shop for, cause I've got my vocal stem diva. You're
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: not supposed to do that. You're going to go to Rikers.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: And I launched merch a couple of weeks ago. I
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: was bombarded with DMS asking me the overall feedback was
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: this website doesn't look that nice on a phone. This
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: website was made. In 30 seconds.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I did not. Using like a bot. Like this is
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: like not me. This is like really hard for me
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: to do. Barely got the links up there.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Are you going to switch it? No.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving it. You want the shirt? Figure it out.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Figure it out.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Figure it out.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Get the thing. Get in there.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: So you got links in your bio.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I have the links in the bio.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I post the things.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I have a designer on retainer. It's just like when
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I started in 09, this was not. You didn't have
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: to have eight other jobs. It's like I just am
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: like a dinosaur, I guess. Like I'm just trying to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: hold on.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: If I have to update the link in bio, it's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: a full hour. I set aside an hour because I'm
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: like something's going to go wrong.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: For me, it's the mental thing.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: It's the login.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: It's the mental thing.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: If I only have a few more passwords left. And
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I'm doing.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Multiple club dates. You have to do each time. You know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: it's like a seven. I have a nine. I have
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: a Friday. I have a Saturday. And I'm just like,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I guess it's like people have harder jobs. I should
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: figure it out. Well, the data processor.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: And then I did make merch for a while.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I just don't want to. It's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: never enough. I'm like carrying stuff. I just, I wish
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I had a bigger thirst for cash, you know? But
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: my thirst is for lounging and relaxing.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Same. And the creative arts.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Should we set her up with someone? What?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Sexually?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You should.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: If you're going to describe it like that, you fucking freak.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I said such a bad date. She said, sexually? I
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: actually had a, this has never happened to me, but
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I was at dinner with friends on Thursday night for
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a friend's birthday.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: And someone was like, oh, you dropped this. And it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: was like a phone number and a.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Was it the person giving it to you?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes, I think you dropped this.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I would have drawn my clothes off.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I know, I was excited. And then him and his
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: friend left, and then it was like a sweet note
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: with his phone number, and it says Chicago area code. Oh!
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Do you think he knows who you are?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he complimented me on the way. But he's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: like a hardcore smoker, it felt like. He really smelled
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: like cigarettes. That's okay.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I can change him.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: See?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: See? But I know lots of smokers that don't smell.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: So it is like, how much are you smoking?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you were at a bar.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: No, I was at a restaurant. I was at a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: nice restaurant.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: You were at a restaurant.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Which means he just come from outside drinking a cigarette smoke.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That is kind of insane.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Did you text him yet?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I texted him that night because I thought
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: it was a bold, fun move. So I reward that behavior. Well,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I left town. So I said, for sure, I'll let
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: you know when I'm back in town. Okay. Okay. Circle
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: back around.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: You're back in town.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Wait, no, do you have your phone with you?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I have to check my phone because
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I have plans tomorrow. Like, I think maybe I have
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to figure out when I could do it. And then
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I leave again Thursday. So it's like, it has to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: be tomorrow or Wednesday. I just am, I am a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: busy person.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: But my one friend that dates all the time, he goes, well,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I make time for it. You're like not making time
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: for it. And I'm like, I just don't know how
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: to squeeze dates in like that. But I'm on it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: How do you get your gigs done? Do you seek
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: them out or do they invite you to come? I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: have a road agent. Okay. So I have all these
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: agents and one of them, his job is like live.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: And so the offers come in or he's getting offers
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever. But I've been doing this a while and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I don't sell that many tickets, but I'm a pleasure
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: to be around.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I get booked. People book me and they like me
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: when I'm there.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: You're sickening me. You make me want to barf. And
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: the people that do come see me.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Do they enjoy it? They spend money. They're buying bottles
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: of wine.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: They're buying drinks.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: They're getting the hummus.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: They're getting the hummus. They're buying stuff.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: They're getting the abs for the table.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Good, good, good.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Wait.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: No, people, whenever my audience leaves, and same with the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: live podcast shows, people are like, you can come back
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: whenever you want. This was, like, such lovely people. Everyone
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: tipped so well. And that's very important to me.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Hearing that your audience treats service workers well.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It's really.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Because, like, what would you do?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I know lots of comedians who hate their crowd.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: But that's, like, they've leaned into it. They've built it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Because that's just theirs. Yes.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: It is what it is.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: What do you do? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: But no, my people are good. So yeah, I have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: this agent. So I'm getting, I have to, I forgot
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to Raleigh. I got Raleigh. I got to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: post that. But, um, so I'm always, and then like
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of the clubs are owned by like, like,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they have a bunch across the country. And
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: then in New York, it's like, I send a veils
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: to the clubs. Or people in my DMs are messaging me.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Do you got anything in New York? Well, I'm at
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: the Cellar all the time, New York Comedy Club, Gotham.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Today I'm doing some show for Bilt. I don't know.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I'm doing Union Hall. I'm always just doing bar shows
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: and random things in New York.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Are you good with giving people random advice?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, because we're going to do Tales from the DMs. Okay,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Where people give us, like, send in
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: their questions.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah. No, Virgo, yeah. I don't follow good advice,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: but I could change someone's life for the better.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: You could change someone's life. We don't know if it's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: going to be better.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: No, it will be. I give really good advice. I'm, like,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: pretty wise.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I see that.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: And I have really good quotes I give people when
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: they're about to do huge professional things, and it.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Really helps people. Like what? Like a professional gig?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: One of my best advice things when people do late
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: night or they're taping– or, like– you know, big show
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: type thing. I go, this is not a test. It's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: your reward. Okay. Like this is your reward to be
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: able to do late night. This isn't a test.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like, pressure's off. You got it. Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: So like have a good fucking time.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: And so like, do you work on any TV shows?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been on Survival of the Thickest for like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: three seasons. So that was fun. I got to be
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: like a kooky roommate. So that was fun. And I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: was actually only supposed to be in four episodes and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: get kicked off after being the worst person ever. But
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: like I said, I'm a pleasure.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: She's a pleasure to have in the studio.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: I was able to hold up. I actually, first season,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: I got a bonus because of my great attitude. Nice. Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Because it was such a tough schedule. That's never happened
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: It never happened.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: No one's surprised about that.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: No one's ever. Okay.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: What TV shows? I used to do a lot of non-script. Oh,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I was in an episode of Harlem. I think that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: was the last thing I did.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Love.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Or in two episodes because they brought me back because
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: you're a pleasure. Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: So maybe this SVU audition, you're a pleasure to be around.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to do it. I'm about, I'm hopefully going
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: to have my own, like I'm, I'm in the process
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of like pitching a show. So I'm really excited about that.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's good, but I'm auditioning nonstop for movies
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: and TV shows.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: The SVU audition. You'll let us know how it goes.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Well, no, I actually wouldn't tell anybody and I would
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: wait till it airs. Well, I know it's so quick.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes, you know, I get small parts and really
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: cool things and like, you never know what they're going
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: to use.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Was it in person or a video?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Which I love because I love my acting teacher.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: You get to control it. Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Well, he, he puts in the effort. I know he,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: we love each other. Like he's going to like make,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: he's going to have idea. We're going to like do
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: something good. Yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, let's get into Tales from the DMs. Let's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: do it. This is Tales from the DMs. This is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: all the weird and wild, freaky deaky, wicked, sick, twisted,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: nauseating things you send us from the internet.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, great.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Friends, what do I always say? While Michael is a lawyer,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: he's not your lawyer, so get your own.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, what do you guys do
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: when you hang out together outside the pod?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Usually just like hard drugs and gossip.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of drinking.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Eating.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: We eat. Yeah, shooting range. We're big. Second Amendment. Big. Huge.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I'm down with that. I want to go shooting. There's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: a place in Brooklyn you can get certified in a
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: weekend and learn how to shoot.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: All of that was a lie. What do we do?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: We go thrifting.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: No, I know, but if you guys want to learn
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: to shoot, we go to dinner.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: We eat a lot. Yeah, we eat a lot.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: We eat and we sit. Because I don't like to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: go out. I like to be inside.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of friends in common that we
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: love to talk about.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: So there's always a lot.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Of catching up about whatever happens. But yeah, we like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: dinner and stuff because I don't go outside.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Melissa doesn't drink a lot.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Not anymore. Although this summer I drank a lot.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: How can you not?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Next summer.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Bariatric surgery.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: And so I get drunk really fast.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: You can't drink like– she can't drink like us.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: But this summer I drank a lot.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: But it's been a party summer. Yeah. Especially in New
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: York City. It has.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: After that winter.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the winter, but I remember the Knicks
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: and the World Cup.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: CJ, guide us to the best of these DMs because
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I got about four.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about that, Cameron.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: There's one asking Melissa. There's one asking Melissa about Enron.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: And then I thought it would be fun to ask
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: Lisa about the Lemon Revenge X story.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: So we'll start with this. We'll just while we have her.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: You look great. That's just the wide. So that's not
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: going to be your entire shot. This is going to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: be your main shot. So don't do that.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I should have brushed my hair. I just couldn't.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: What do you mean you couldn't?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: But you know, I woke up with such a good
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: messy vibe and I should have just kept it. You know,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: it's like, it has to be like a natural messy.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: It's got to be like the right kind of.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Went to my coffee shop. You look great. Don't worry
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Just like, I'm not girl. Yeah, I have like an
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: oversized outfit walking the dog. Doesn't really match. Sort of unshaven.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I love feeling like that because it's also like a posture.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: It's a vibe. It's like you do say... Something that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: you normally wouldn't say.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: What? No, I love that my coffee shop sees me
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: in all forms, you know? So, like, they know how
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Do you, like, violently flirt with your baristas?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: No, they're, like, a lot. They're, like, very young, attractive cuties.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: And I love being a part of the community. But, no,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to hook up with your barista. No.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: They're very attractive, though. They're all very beautiful people.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Okay. So, what are we at?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: The Enron one.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: So this is from Wendy.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: This is really funny. Why Enron? Because I worked for
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  Speaker 2: a law firm that represented Enron. Okay. And it was
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: my last foray into being apparently- Can I just say.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: There's a joy in Lisa's eyes as you tell her
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  Speaker 1: that you worked for the law firm that represented Enron.
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  Speaker 1: It was awful. I haven't seen her light up like that.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: It's bad. This whole interview.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: That's not true.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding. There was a fucking twinkle.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. You didn't get excited about it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: She went... It was very like, the tea is dropping.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It was very like, the girl I hated in high
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: school just changed her profile photo from the husband and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: wife to just her. That was the look you just gave. Yeah,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: that's always so good, too. That was the look. So juicy. Okay,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: let's read. Do you want me to read it for you?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can read it.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Because you're going to answer it, so I'll read it. Okay,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: which one is it?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Wendy.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Wait, so, oh, it's really short.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so since Melissa worked on the Enron case,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: did she meet Amal Gloomy?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: No, I did not.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: That was the whole question.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: That's the whole question. I thought it was going to.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Be like, okay, you got anything from that trial or
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: case that you want to share? It was terrible.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was horrible. My hair fell out and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: I had the runs all the time and I hated it.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: It was awful. It was awful, awful, awful. And that's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: why my friend, I'm not going to say her name
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: because we're not friends anymore, but she saw me on
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: the subway. Asked me about it and I burst into
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: tears on the F train.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: It was terrible.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: And that's when I knew you had to leave.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yep. Have you cried on the F train? I've cried
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: on the F train.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I don't remember which trains I've cried on.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Right. But I've... She couldn't see through the tears.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: I remember the last time I fully cried on the train.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: I think that is a quintessential New York experience of
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: crying on the subway at least once.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: One time someone gave me a folded paper with a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: nice little inspirational quote on it. It happened to me once. Actually,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: when I wasn't on the train, I was crying.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I would kill myself. If someone did that to me,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I'd kill myself.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: I was crying outside of City Hall one day about something.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: And this man came over to me. And he gave
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: me a tissue and he was like, let me tell
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: you something. You are going to be all right. And
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, but it was so, it was really. Well,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I've been on both sides because I saw someone crying
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: recently and I was like, are you okay? And they
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: were very dismissive, like, get the fuck out of my face.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: And I went, for sure. And then I was crying
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: a few months ago and someone did the same to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: me and I went, get out of here. So, like,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I've been on both sides.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If I saw someone crying in the streets, I
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: would never- I brought her water.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: She didn't want it, which is fine, too.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I would never do anything like that, ever. What? Stop
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: and help someone who was crying on the street. Crying
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: is mortifying in public. If you're in public and you're crying,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: it's like- very mortifying. I would never want to add
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: attention to that person's experience. If I'm crying in public,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: don't fucking stop. Because I'm going through something, the last
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: thing I want is to have to choke it back
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to explain what's happening. I would want to fall into
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: a hole in the ground if someone.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Stopped and talked to me while I was crying.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I have seen somebody crying and I don't really ask
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: them if they're okay, but if I have a tissue,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I just give it to them and I'm like.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: That's good. That's good.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Because I hear you. It's embarrassing. And you're a stranger.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you about why my
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: personal life is crumbling on the streets.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Of New York, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just went
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: to the microphone. I'm so sorry, Paul.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: If I have a tissue on me and it's clean
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: in a package, I'll just be like.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like when you fall. I was
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: going to say if you fall. The falling is when
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no one look at me. Because I had
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: a couple years ago, I fell like five times in
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: one year. I was like, I could not stop falling.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for laughing at you.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I could not stop falling.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I just immediately.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Slapped you in the face. I'm so sorry. Truly, I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: was walking. I felt my knee give out and I fell.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I was in Austin. Another time I tripped after a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: fun night. Okay. I just kept, I fell at a pool, like,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: I'm walking. Like, I just, there was like a summer
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: of falling. It was like crazy. Dizzy bitch summer. Like,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: what the fuck?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Miss Vertigo.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I have these pants that every time I wear them,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: I fall. And I should stop wearing them.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Is it the white pants? No. Melissa has four pairs
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: of white jeans.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Whoa. I don't want four pairs of white jeans. It's
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: not a flex. It's I am impressed.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Cry for help.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: It's a cry for help. I don't know why I have...
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: You just keep doing it.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: But she keeps keeping them.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: But because I don't know what I'm... Like, what if
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: I get rid of it and then later I'm just like.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: If only I had the boot cut.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: No, I'm actually really mentally unwell and have an unhealthy
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: attachment to things. So, like, I get it.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Give us an example.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: No judgment here. Like what?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: No, like.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I know it's going to be the sickest.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: It's not even that sick. There's just like a dress
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I loved for forever. And I was living in L.A.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: and I flew my best friend out to help me
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: purge stuff because she's like very good at organizing. And
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: she's like, you need to let this dress go. And
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I go, but I love the dress. She goes, there's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: holes in the dress.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: You've worn the dress for over a decade. You've got
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: to say bye to the dress.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: We've all seen the dress.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: And you've got to get rid of the dress. I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: truly started tearing up and I was like, okay, get
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: rid of it. But I think about the dress. That's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: what I brought up on stage yesterday at my show
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: and tell show. I'm like, people are wanting to get
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: rid of stuff. There's a peasant skirt I got rid
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: of in high school. Still think about it. And I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: got rid of a Madonna shirt in junior high. I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: wish I still had it.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wish you had that too.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Like that would have been cool. Like peasant skirt.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Let it go. Let go of the peasant skirt.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: And there's a free people skirt I got rid of.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: And there's like a jumpsuit I got rid of. I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: think about like, I do think about that. I get,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I get holding on to maybe one pair, but do
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: you wear them?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Would you wear that peasant skirt?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of wearing like a long flowy skirt now.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love it. I don't know if I'd
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: still fit into it. Or my niece, like my niece
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: wears my stuff now. So she goes into the closet.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: The Madonna shirt was a mistake.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I know. And it was like her short blonde, like
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: glamour era. Was it her true blue era? I don't
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: know if it was true. I have like all these
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: photos in fifth grade wearing the shirt. And I'm like,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: that shirt would be so special. Okay, but let me
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: just say this to you. you were wearing the shirt
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: in the fifth grade.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but someone could have, someone could use it.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Were you really like busty in the fifth grade?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't be able to wear the shirt, but
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: it would be something special for someone else in my
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: life or like to have this part of history. Like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: that shirt was like historic.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I gave a shirt away in the bin and then
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: it was my husband's and I didn't like it. And
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: there was a homeless guy wearing it the next day
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: on our street. And my husband saw it and I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: got in trouble. Yeah. It was like his college theater.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Did he know immediately it was his?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he came home and I had to immediately be like, Yes,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I literally donated that, but I didn't think you should
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: have it.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: That is a good part about New York. When you
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: do want to purge, you don't have to go to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: a place. It's right there. If you put stuff on
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: the street, people will take it. Someone's going to take it.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: It's nice. We have to get out of the studio.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Already? Yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: We didn't do any of the talking points.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I know. We don't do that.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Does anyone else need advice? It was just if you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: met them all Clooney. What the fuck? No, no, no.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of other ones. There are a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: lot of other ones.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: We didn't do any of the talking points. cj wrote
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: them and worked on it all week we don't ever.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: Do and i by the way this one time i
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: went to six flags and there was this grown man
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: sitting right inside the gate hysterically crying and i go
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: up to him and i said hey man are you
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: okay and he just goes god fucking damn.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: It Okay, we'll do another one. Make sure you guys
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: set me.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Up with someone soon.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Talk amongst yourselves.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: She mailed a lemon to her boyfriend every day for
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: over 1,000 lemons.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: She didn't mail them. She had a lemon delivered.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Every day for over 1,000 lemons. 1,400 lemons. Why?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Why? Just to harass him? Like it was an ex? Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ex-boyfriend. See?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Isn't that good? But listen to this, though. She was arrested.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: For harassment.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you. That face is how I feel every time
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I think about that.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Did she get charged, though? I mean, convicted?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: No. We never actually... care enough to research it but
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: we do care enough to keep.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Talking about it doing crime research it's actually really hard
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: sometimes to find like it's all like splashy news like.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Charge charges rarely go forward what.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Was the sentence and the sentence.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Will be like four years later yeah girl you're talking
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: to the right person i.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Know it's like so hard to find you.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Won't find it sometimes Sometimes you have to call the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: clerk at the county. But anyway.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Because I'll do the inmate lockups and stuff. But yeah,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I guess I could call I don't care.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: But I need it for like the trial. For the podcast. Well,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: where can people find you?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: At Glitter Cheese on Instagram. And that's my website. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: on the road, my podcast is That's Messed Up. And
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: I have a Netflix special called Night Owl, which I
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: would love for people to continue watching.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming. Thank you.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you, everyone, for watching Brief Recess. I'm going to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: stop slurring and get off the air. We'll see you
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: next week in court.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Not me.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: This has been an Exactly Right production recorded at iHeart Studios,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: hosted by me, Michael Foote.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: And me, Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ Ferroni.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: This episode is edited by Mark Schroeder.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: is Patrick Hotner.
• 1:19:34
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• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue and Vanessa Lilac with photography by Brad Obono.
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• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: and Danielle Kramer.
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