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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome to the reading of the Washington Post for today, Saturday,
- 0:04March eighth, twenty twenty five. As a reminder, Radio I
- 0:09is a reading service intended for people who are blind
- 0:12or have other disabilities that make it difficult to read
- 0:15prim material. Your reader for today is Mark Webster. Today's
- 0:20front headliness always consist of six articles and there are
- 0:25two photographs. The six articles are warnings, sound on economic comeback.
- 0:35Russia pounces as US halts aid, Trump officials cut four
- 0:41hundred million dollars for Columbia, A new challenger rises to
- 0:46face undefeated death in slashing agencies, DOGE eager to cast
- 0:52its targets as fraud. And in last and the longest article,
- 0:56Syrians unearth asides horrors. Two photographs on the first page.
- 1:01The first one goes with the asside article. It shows
- 1:07two children amid the rubble, and then the other photograph
- 1:13is thousands of people marching to defend science in Washington,
- 1:18d C. Here's the first article. Russian Russia pounces as
- 1:24US halts aid. Trump says latest Russian attack on Ukraine.
- 1:28Quote what anybody else would do? Unquote quote anybody unquote
- 1:32would step up the attack? Trump said of Russia's first
- 1:36major missile assault on Ukraine since the US paused intelligence
- 1:40sharing within battle country. Here's the article. President Donald Trump
- 1:45expressed understanding Friday for Russia's stepped up attacks on Ukraine
- 1:50after the White House halted military and intelligence aide the
- 1:54Kiev this week, saying that he would resume help for
- 1:57the beleaguered country only when Ukrainian leaders agree that quote
- 2:01they want to settle unquote. The US cutoff of aid
- 2:04to Ukraine has made the country significantly more vulnerable to
- 2:08Russian attack, With Kiev no longer able to depend on
- 2:12US intelligence assistance to aid its targeting or give it
- 2:16warning about Russian attacks. The Kremlin unloaded a massive missile
- 2:20assault on Ukraine overnight Thursday into Friday. Quote. I actually
- 2:25think he's doing what anybody else would do unquote, Trump
- 2:28said in the Oval Office on Friday, when asked whether
- 2:31he was upset that Russian President Vladimir Putin was taking
- 2:35advantage of the US hault in aid for Ukraine. Quote.
- 2:39Probably anybody in that position would be doing that right now.
- 2:43He wants to get it ended, and I think Ukraine
- 2:45wants to get it ended. But I don't see it's
- 2:48crazy they're taking tremendous punishment. I don't quite get it. Unquote.
- 2:52Trump was asked whether he would consider stepping up help
- 2:56for Ukraine in the face of the Russian assault, giving
- 3:00Kiev more air defense munitions. That form of assistance would
- 3:04not enable further Ukrainian attacks on Russian positions, but would
- 3:08be purely defensive. Trump indicated he would not give Ukraine
- 3:13those defensive munitions. Quote. I have to know that they
- 3:16want to settle. I don't know that they want to settle.
- 3:20If they don't want to settle, we're out of here.
- 3:22Close the quote. Trump added that his goal was to
- 3:26stop quote stop death unquote, although Russia's overnight assault on
- 3:31Ukraine's energy infrastructure injured at least eight people, trump sympathetic
- 3:36comments toward Putin contrasted with his social media post hours
- 3:41earlier threatening quote large scale unquote sanctions on Russia because
- 3:46of the attack. Trump said he also wanted the Kremlin
- 3:50to come to the table quote based on the fact
- 3:54that Russia is absolutely pounding Ukraine on the battlefield right now.
- 3:58I am strongly considering yard skill banking, sanctions, sanctions and
- 4:03tariffs on Russia until the ceasefire and final settlement agreement
- 4:08on peace is reached to close the quote Trump wrote
- 4:10on truth social quote to Russia and Ukraine, get to
- 4:15the table right now before it's too late. Thank you,
- 4:17close the quote. Trump has rarely offered criticism of Putin,
- 4:24and when given the chance to expand upon his social
- 4:27media posts during questions from reporters Friday in the Oval Office,
- 4:31he declined to do so. Instead, he said that he
- 4:34continued to believe Putin when the Russian leader said he
- 4:37wants peace quote, I believe him. Unquote. Trump said, quote,
- 4:42I think we're doing very well with Russia. Right now,
- 4:45they're bombing the hell out of Ukraine. I'm finding it
- 4:47more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine. They don't have
- 4:50the cards unquote. Since taking office, Trump has harshly criticized
- 4:55Ukrainian President Vladimir Zolenski and falsely claimed that Ukraine, not Russia,
- 5:01was responsible for starting the war. An Oval Office meeting
- 5:06with Zelensky last week ended with Trump and Vice President J. D.
- 5:09Vance berating the Ukrainian leader. Vance declared that Zelensky was
- 5:14insufficiently grateful to Trump, and Trump accused Zelensky of quote
- 5:18gambling with World War III unquote. Days later, Trump cut
- 5:22off US military and intelligence assistance for Kiev. The wide
- 5:27ranging halt and assistance has partially blinded Ukraine's military, with
- 5:32even commercially available satellite imagery now covered by the US ban. Maxaraxar,
- 5:39a leading US provider of commercial satellite imagery, said Friday
- 5:44had cut off a stream of assistance to Ukraine at
- 5:46the direction of the Trump administration. The US government funds
- 5:50a contract that provides Ukrainian access to Maxar's orbital imaging
- 5:55services through a program called Global Enhanced GOSAEOI and T Delivery.
- 6:03The halt also affected other commercial satellite companies that produce
- 6:07imagery through the program. A US official said, speaking on
- 6:13the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive matters. It was
- 6:17unclear when or whether services would resume. The suspension was
- 6:21immediately felt by soldiers in the Ukrainian military, which relies
- 6:26on fresh imagery to plant attacks, study terrain, and access
- 6:30the efficacy of artillery strikes. Ukrainian and US officials are
- 6:36scheduled to meet Tusy in Saudi Arabia to try to
- 6:39patch up the relationship and make plans for talks with Russia.
- 6:44The U S side is expected to include Trump's Friends
- 6:47and Middle East Envoy Steve Whitkoff, Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
- 6:53and National Security Advisor Michael Waltz. Zelensky has declared his
- 6:57readiness to sign a minerals deal that would the United
- 7:00States partial access to Ukraine's natural resources as a way
- 7:04of making it more economically invested in the country's peace
- 7:06and prosperity. Zelensky was supposed to sign the deal with
- 7:10Trump last week, but was instead kicked out of the
- 7:13White House. On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly vowed swiftly
- 7:18end the war in Ukraine, going so far as to
- 7:21say he would do it within twenty four hours of
- 7:23taking the oath of office, or even before his inauguration
- 7:26because he's respected by the leaders of Russia and Ukraine,
- 7:30but the war is still raging. Trump has met with
- 7:33criticism for starting talks with Russia to end the war
- 7:37and for pressuring and criticizing Ukraine. European leaders have been
- 7:41alarmed by the shift in US Russia relations since Trump
- 7:45took office. They have expressed concern that Trump will make
- 7:48concessions to Putin and embolden him Ukrainian officials report that
- 7:54several regions were hit by missiles and drones during the attack,
- 7:58and natural gas production facility in the Poltava region were
- 8:03knocked out of commission. Missiles in the northeastern city of
- 8:06Kharkiv damaged at least thirty houses and injured eight people.
- 8:10The attack followed a major drone assault on Ukraine the
- 8:14night before. According to Ukraine's Air Force, sixty seven missiles
- 8:19were fired in the latest attack, accompanied by one hundred
- 8:22and ninety four drones. Energy Minister German Galushenko wrote on
- 8:28Facebook that quote Russia is trying to hurt ordinary Ukrainians
- 8:32by striking energy and gas production facilities without abandoning its
- 8:36goal of leaving us without light and heat and causing
- 8:40the greatest harm to ordinary citizens. By the way, that
- 8:44was I got that right, Energy Minister German Galushenko. All right,
- 8:49that's the end of that entire article. We'll go now
- 8:51to the second article. Doges redefines fraud to defend cutting
- 8:56federal employees programs. Outside watchdogs and animals say Trump and
- 9:01Musk are using overly broad claims of fraud to build
- 9:04political support for their plans. Here's the article Elon Musk
- 9:08and his allies in the US DOGE Service have justified
- 9:12their efforts to dismantle federal agencies by invoking a frequent refrain.
- 9:17They're merely targeting fraud, waste, and abuse. That idea has
- 9:21been echoed by President Donald Trump, who suggested there was
- 9:24significant quote fraud unquote in the Social Security program and
- 9:28is addressed to Congress on Tuesday night, and by Republicans
- 9:32who are eyeing potential cuts to Medicaid and other federal spending.
- 9:36Quote we found hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud unquote,
- 9:40Trump said in his remarks to Congress, after ridiculing several
- 9:43hundred million dollars worth of programs that he called quote
- 9:47scams unquote and credited Musk with ending, he called on
- 9:51the Justice Department to probe Social Security spending. Quote We're
- 9:55going to find out where that money is going, and
- 9:58it's not going to be pretty unquote. The speech illustrated
- 10:02how Trump is trying to rally Americans behind Musk's project
- 10:06to shrink the government by attacking vast sUAS of federal
- 10:10spending so fraudulently as fraudulent. Among the alleged fraudsters targeted
- 10:16by the Trump administration ford aid programs such as the
- 10:19US Agency for International Development, clean energy groups that receive
- 10:23funding from the Biden administration, and organizations that specialize in
- 10:28diversity initiatives. But independent watchdogs and outside analysts say Trump
- 10:34and Musk are using overly broad claims of fraud to
- 10:38build political support for sweeping cuts to programs and offices.
- 10:42Polls show that many Americans believe that government is rife
- 10:47with fraud and waste and support efforts to tackle these problems.
- 10:52Yet even eliminating all suspected fraud from government spending wouldn't
- 10:56save enough to close the federal budget deficit. Quote. It's
- 11:01much easier to call things quote fraud and abuse unquote
- 11:04when it's things you don't like unquote, said Drew Altman,
- 11:07the president and CEO of KFF, a nonpartisan healthcare research
- 11:12and polling organization. Quote it's a way to brand it
- 11:16as bad in the eyes of the public and the base,
- 11:20to make it easier to cut them close the quote
- 11:23beyond political messaging. Quote, fraud unquote is also a technical
- 11:27and legal term applied to wilful, potentially criminal acts. A
- 11:32spokesman for the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, which bills
- 11:37itself as the world's largest anti fraud organization, referred to
- 11:41the definition in the organization's Fraud Examiner's Manual. Quote, Fraud
- 11:46includes any intentional or deliberate act to deprive another of
- 11:51property or money by guile, deception, or other unfair means. Unquote,
- 11:56the manual reads, there is, indeed fraudulent spending across the government,
- 12:01perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars per year, according to
- 12:04analysis by Government account Accountability Office. Inspectors General and the
- 12:11Justice Department have investigated fraud rings seeking to build health
- 12:16programs such as Medicare or Medicaid, and contractors who bribed
- 12:20officials to win government business. But that's often not what
- 12:24Musk and his allies are referencing. Quote. I saw Musk
- 12:28talking about payments for various foreign aid programs or for
- 12:32subscriptions and call those fraud unquote, said Mark Goldwine, Senior
- 12:37vice president and Senior policy director for the Committee for
- 12:41a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan group that is called
- 12:45for physical discipline. Quote. One could argue their waste, that's
- 12:50in the eye of the beholder. But if it's a
- 12:52program that's designed as intended and going where it's intended,
- 12:55it's not fraud, even if that intent is wrong. Close
- 12:59the quote. Musk and his Doge team have repeatedly scaled
- 13:03back their claims after criticism, revising their website to remove
- 13:07some contracts that they wrongly said had been canceled by
- 13:11the Trump administration, or to correct statements that inflated the
- 13:16team's savings. The billionaire entrepreneurs also acknowledge quote the sort
- 13:22of gray boundary between waste and fraud in a podcast
- 13:26posted last Friday. Quote if money is sent to a
- 13:29person or organization from the government and you didn't really
- 13:32deserve it, but the government's still sent it to you,
- 13:35is that waste or fraud? Close the quote, Musk mused
- 13:38to podcast to Joe Rogan. The framing is familiar for Musk,
- 13:43who accused Twitter of fraud during his bid to exit
- 13:46his offer to purchase it, and then worked to wind
- 13:49down the company now known as X after he took
- 13:51it over. Trump has his own history of claiming quote
- 13:55fraud unquote before this year, including with election outcomes that
- 13:59he's disputed, such as his twenty twenty defeat at the
- 14:02hands of Joe Biden. Musk himself was charged with fraud
- 14:06after a twenty eighteen Security and Exchange Commission investigation into
- 14:11a false claim that he had quote funding secured unquote
- 14:15to take Tesla private for four hundred twenty dollars per share.
- 14:19Musk and Tesla agreed to settle the case against him,
- 14:23the cases against them, each paying separate twenty million dollar fines,
- 14:28and Musk agreed to step down as Tesla board chairman.
- 14:32The White House declined to comment. Musk did not reply
- 14:35to request for comment. Musk has long secured Musk has
- 14:40long scoured business long logs for dirt and played up
- 14:45the findings. At Twitter, which he bought for forty four
- 14:47billion dollars and took over in twenty twenty two, he
- 14:50deployed a team to dig through the company's systems for
- 14:53evidence of politically motivated malfeasans. He deputized not only his
- 14:59own staffer, but also outside parties, including independent journalists, to
- 15:03review Twitter's internal data for proof of collusion with Democrats.
- 15:08Revelations that were packaged into releases called the quote Twitter
- 15:12Files unquote, but even some conservatives were underwhelmed by the
- 15:17findings posted publicly which is reflected, which reflected how both
- 15:21major political parties could seek internal reviews of content they
- 15:25found objectable. Musk has also argued that he learned while
- 15:30helping lead PayPal, the money transfer service, in the early
- 15:34two thousands that quote the fraudsters will come at you
- 15:37immediately unquote to complain at DOGE. He now says criticism
- 15:44of the group's proposed cuts is a sign of fraud.
- 15:47Quote It's like a tell that someone's actually doing fraud
- 15:51because the level of sort of fraud full outrage is
- 15:55way over the top. Close the quote, Musk said in
- 15:58a conversation last month hosted on his exit platform. He
- 16:01also has maintained there is a political reason for resistance
- 16:06to Dog's efforts. Democrats are using overly generous entitlement programs
- 16:11to lure undocumented immigrants to the United States and shift
- 16:14the voting base. He has argued, most undocumented immigrants are
- 16:18not eligible for most federal benefits. That's of parentheses. The
- 16:23billionaire has further alleged that his political opponents, such as
- 16:27New York Attorney General Letitia James, Democrats want quote fraud
- 16:31and waste to continue. Close the quote. Democrats have laughed
- 16:35off Musk's claims as implausible, pointing to his past comments
- 16:40alleging a debunked link between illegal immigration and voting. Some
- 16:45liberals have also complained that lumping quote fraud unquote end
- 16:50quote waste unquote together makes it easy to justify broader
- 16:54cuts to programs. Quote. Republicans will claim that they want
- 16:59to cut the medical program because they want to address fraud, waste,
- 17:02and abuse, and that no one's going to get hurt.
- 17:05But that's absurd. Close the quote. Representative Frank Poloni Junior,
- 17:10New Jersey, the top Democrat on the House Energy and
- 17:13Commerce Committee, said during a hearing last week. Quote you
- 17:16simply cannot take that amount of money out of medicaid
- 17:19program and not hurt the people who rely on it.
- 17:21Close the quote. Republicans have echoed Musk's own lines, saying
- 17:26the administration is only going after bad spending. At a
- 17:30hearing last month, Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, a Republican from
- 17:34Georgia who heads a House subcommittee known as the Doge Panel,
- 17:39defended the group's work to access sensitive payment systems. Quote.
- 17:44The whole DC swamp is freaking out that the unelected
- 17:49officials from DOGE were allowed access to these systems. That
- 17:53makes no sense. Unquote. Green said, quote federal judges were
- 17:57not elected, The Treasury bureaucrat were not elected, and they
- 18:01have failed to fix the problem that is enabling American
- 18:04taxpayers to be robbed. So why not bring in skilled
- 18:08outside experts close the quote. Paul Winfrey, who was the
- 18:12director of Budget Policy at the White House in the
- 18:15first Trump administration, suggested the Democrats are feeling pressure from
- 18:20organizations targeted by Doge. Quote for every government in offense
- 18:25in any efficiency or a quote wasteful unquote program, there's
- 18:29also a constituency and it just so happens that many
- 18:33of those receiving funds also support Democrats. Close the quote,
- 18:36said Winfrey, who is CEO of the Economic Policy Innovative Center,
- 18:41a right leaning policy organization. Quote, So they're upset about
- 18:45DGE because Doge is undercutting their business model. Closed the quote.
- 18:51Americans are roughly split on the work being done by
- 18:54Musk and his allies in the US Doge Dog's Service.
- 19:00A February Washington Post IPSOS poll found that thirty seven
- 19:05percent of Americans said Musk was cutting wasteful government spending,
- 19:09while thirty four percent said he was cutting necessary government programs,
- 19:13and the remainder said they were unsure or had no response. Altman,
- 19:17who previously oversaw the state of New Jersey's medicaid program,
- 19:22said he supported efforts to crack down on fraud, but
- 19:25called for a perspective on their attempt on these attempts. Quote,
- 19:30of course there's fraud and abuse, but it's not a
- 19:32big share of spending unquote, Altman said, estimating that it
- 19:35was quote far less unquote than ten percent of the
- 19:38medicaid program spending. It's not an area where you can
- 19:42cut where you can get big savings. Close the quote.
- 19:45Now that's the end of that entire article. We will
- 19:49now go to the third article, which we might have
- 19:52time to finish, but I will cut off in the
- 19:55interest of saving time. This is wanting sound on economic
- 20:00quote comeback. For some reason, this page can't be found,
- 20:04so I'll have to come back to it. I'll go
- 20:07on to the next one. A new challenger rises to
- 20:10face undefeated death. This is a lengthy article which I
- 20:13will cut off. Inside the scientific quest to reverse human aging?
- 20:19Can reprogramming our genes make us young again? A breakthrough
- 20:23in longevity research may be nearing its first human trials.
- 20:29Here's the article for those hoping to cure death and
- 20:33they are Legion, a twenty sixteen experiment at the Salk
- 20:36Institute for Biological Studies in San Diego has become liminal
- 20:41the moment that changed everything. The experiment involved mice born
- 20:46to live fast and die young, bred with a rodent
- 20:49version of progeria, a condition that causes premature aging. Left alone,
- 20:55the animals grow gray and frail and then die about
- 20:57seven months later, compared to a life span of about
- 21:00two years for a typical lab mice. But the Salk
- 21:04scientists had a plan to change the aging animal's fate.
- 21:08They injected them with a virus carrying four genes that
- 21:11can reshape DNA and in effect make every cell in
- 21:15the rodents bodies young again. The scientists could even control
- 21:19the genes from outside the mice, turning them on and
- 21:23off to manage the safety and potency of the genetic changes.
- 21:27The experiment worked. The animals lived thirty percent longer afterwards,
- 21:32a market improvement, if not quite a normal mouse life span,
- 21:37and with that, the longevity gold rush entered a new era.
- 21:41Tech titans and venture capitalists started throwing billions of dollars
- 21:45at labs exploring the technique called cellular reprogramming. Experiments began
- 21:51on other mice as well as worms and monkeys. Cellular
- 21:55reprogramming is now held by its supporters as the most
- 21:59promising scientific approach to improving human health spans and lifespans.
- 22:06Proponents claim it has the potential to reshape how and
- 22:09whether we grow old and Later this year, a biotech
- 22:13company called life Bile Sciences expects to file an application
- 22:18with the Food and Drug Administration to get approval for
- 22:21the first human trial of a version of the technique,
- 22:25according to Sharon Rosenwig Libson, the company's chief scientific officer,
- 22:30but there have been serious side effects during some of
- 22:33the animal experience, including gruesome tumors and even deaths. Some
- 22:38researchers worry the science is moving too fast, and basic
- 22:43questions about cellular reprogramming safety and effect and effects for
- 22:47people in society still need to be addressed. What are
- 22:50the long term health consequences, Who will benefit most wealthy
- 22:55donors or anyone who's aging or chronically ill, How much
- 22:59will it cause and how far are humans willing to
- 23:03go for the possibility of more life. Quote honestly unquote,
- 23:07said Lucy Zu. That's x U, a postdoctoral research fellow
- 23:11at Harvard Medical School who studied reprogramming in mice. Quote
- 23:16those questions keep me awake at night unquote. If you've
- 23:19never heard of cellular reprogramming, you're hardly alone. A relatively
- 23:23new field, it began with a jaw dropping two thousand
- 23:27and six revelation that just four genes could return even
- 23:31the oldest, most decrepit cell to a state resembling youth.
- 23:36These genes and their effects were discovered by the Japanese
- 23:39scientist Shinya Yamanaka, who won the Nobel Prize in twenty
- 23:44twelve for his work and had the genes named after him.
- 23:48They became known as Yamanaka factors. When introduced into a cell,
- 23:54the Yamanoka factors rapidly strip it of the outward layer
- 23:58of the of its DNA, known as the epigenome. Our
- 24:02epigenomes is the key to cellular Our epigenome is the
- 24:07key to cellular reprogramming and also, frankly, life itself. If
- 24:11you've ever wondered how the cells in your heart know
- 24:14to be hard cells and not skin bow or some
- 24:17other cells, you can thank your epigenome. It's what gives
- 24:22every cell its identity. Our DNA starts out alike in
- 24:26almost every cell, but almost immediately they clump. Tiny clumps
- 24:32of molecules known as methyl groups, start attaching themselves like mollusks,
- 24:37to the outside of various genes with different configurations in
- 24:41different cells. Depending on the number and patterns of these molecules,
- 24:47the genes beneath will be able to receive biochemical signals
- 24:50telling them to turn on or they won't. This process,
- 24:55called methylation, is probably the most important part of our
- 24:59epidem genome. Methylation continues throughout our lives and reflects those
- 25:04lives for better and worse. Smoking strongly influences methylation patterns,
- 25:10so does exercise, although in most opposite although in almost
- 25:14opposite fashion. Ditto for stress, nutrition, parenting, illness, air pollution,
- 25:20and many other choices and conditions. Through methylation, our epigenome
- 25:26functions in effect as our body's diary, with the tiny
- 25:29molecular doodles on our DNA recording what we've been doing
- 25:33with ourselves. But nothing affects methylation as much as aging.
- 25:39The patterns of methylation during infancy are distinctly different than
- 25:43during childhood, adulthood, and old age. Many longevity researchers believe
- 25:48these changes in methylation don't just record our aging process,
- 25:53they drive it, meaning our evolving epigenome may be responsible
- 25:58for aging itself. By the way, there's a very good diagram.
- 26:03It's entitled A look at how cellular reprogramming works. Here's
- 26:08how scientists use methylation to make a cell young Again.
- 26:12They show a young cell. Then in the second group,
- 26:15as a cell ages, methyl groups begin covering the outside
- 26:18of its genes. Then they show the older cell. Then
- 26:22the fourth picture is this process methylation affects how the
- 26:26cells genes work. It has a drawing of the methyl group.
- 26:30Then next adding min octa factors to the cell can
- 26:34strip away some of the methylation, and then in the
- 26:37last illustration, this returns the cell to a more youthful state,
- 26:42and in theory, it can do the same for our
- 26:44entire bodies. I regret that you can't see what I
- 26:47just describe. Continuing rep in petri dishes, cellular reprogramming works
- 26:54just as expected. Add the min octa factors to skin
- 26:58cells from a wrinkled centurion, as scientists have done, and
- 27:02many of the cells will shed their methyl marks and
- 27:05turn back into newborn cells or other scientists or what
- 27:09scientists call plury potent stem cells with no cellular memory
- 27:15of having been skinned. These cells can become almost any
- 27:18type of cell with the right coaxing. Plury Potent stem
- 27:22cells from donated human cells are routinely used today for
- 27:26tissue engineering and other medical and research purposes, but the
- 27:30process isn't the fission or benign In a dish containing
- 27:34millions of elderly cells, many will become youthful stem cells
- 27:38after exposure to Yamanaka factors, but many others won't for
- 27:43reasons that remain mysterious. Some resist the process, some die,
- 27:48and some almost invariably transform into huge, rapidly dividing growths
- 27:54known as terotomas or monster tumors. These develop when a
- 27:59stem cell doesn't work, doesn't know what to become, and
- 28:03turns into the wrong kind of cell. With the tarotoma,
- 28:07teeth cells can wind up growing in pelvis or bone cells,
- 28:11and in an eyeball. Although rarely malignant, tarotna's often swelled
- 28:14to massive size. Now that concludes the twenty eight minute
- 28:18first portion of our reading. We'll stop here and pick
- 28:21it up with part two. Welcome back to the reading
- 28:24of the Washington Post for today, Saturday, March eight, twenty
- 28:28twenty five. We are now going to go into the
- 28:32second twenty eight minute segment. We were reading an article
- 28:36about reversing aging, and we left off with a discussion
- 28:40of one of the negative factors of this process because
- 28:44it created these tratomas or huge tumors. I'll pick it
- 28:51up from where we left off. Researchers can eliminate tarotomas
- 28:55and petri dishes easily enough, but in living creatures, the
- 28:59growth create real life horror films. When Spanish researchers activated
- 29:04yamanok of factors and healthy mice for an early cellular
- 29:08reprogramming experiment, many of the animals died within weeks, sprouting
- 29:13tarotomas and other cancer's tumors all over their bodies. Quote
- 29:17you'll always have tarotomas unquote during cellular reprogramming, said Paul Knoppler,
- 29:24a professor at the University of California Davis who studies epigenetics,
- 29:29stem cells, and cancer. Quote it's part of the process.
- 29:32It's actually how you can tell reprogramming is working. So
- 29:36to realize the promise of reprogramming in people, researchers realize
- 29:40they would need to find a better, safer way to
- 29:42turn back cellular time. Several years ago, at a laboratory
- 29:47at Harvard University, scientists compressed the optic nerves of otherwise
- 29:51healthy mice to induce the condition similar to a stroke
- 29:55in the eye. This condition can substantially reduce vision. The
- 30:00scientists then treated the mice with an innovative new form
- 30:03of cellular reprogramming, injecting their eyes with a virus carrying
- 30:07three of the Yamanaka factors, omitting one factor that has
- 30:12been found often jumpstart cancers. The three remaining factors were
- 30:17genetically engineered to grow active only in the presence of
- 30:21the antibody doxas cycline. The scientists then gave the mice
- 30:27water containing the antibody on a controlled schedule of two
- 30:30days with the drug and five days without for two months.
- 30:35The plan was to reprogram cells in the optic nerves
- 30:39only partially, removing much, but not all, of their methylation.
- 30:44That way, the cells would retain their fundamental identity even
- 30:48as they grew functionally younger. In this scenario, taratomas wouldn't
- 30:53present an obstacle because the affected cells would never regress
- 30:57fully into stem cells. Instead, they be the same cells,
- 31:01but sprightlier, younger, and hopefully more capable of healing the
- 31:05injured optic nerve. The Harvard mouse study results published in
- 31:10Nature in December twenty twenty under the cover line quote
- 31:13turning back to time question mark seemed positive. The researchers
- 31:18noted epigenetic changes in the cells and regrowth of the
- 31:22damaged optic nerves in many of the mice who'd received
- 31:26the treatment. They reported no terotomas. Quote. It was quite
- 31:31exciting un quote, said David Sinclair, a Harvard geneticist, senior
- 31:35author of the mouse eye study and a controversial figure
- 31:39among longevity researchers. Similar excuse me. Sinclair resigned last March
- 31:45as president of the Academy for Health Lifespan Research, a
- 31:49prestigious organization of longevity researchers, after other prominent scientists in
- 31:54the group disputed his claim that a canine supplement developed
- 31:59by a company he called own could quote reverse unquote
- 32:02aging dogs. Under fire from colleagues who said that assertion
- 32:07was irresponsible and unsupported by evidence, Sinclair revised the wording
- 32:11and said he regretted not being more precise, while standing
- 32:15by the underlying research. In his interview with The Washington Post,
- 32:19Sinclair declined to comment on the incident. In twenty twenty one,
- 32:23Sinclair and Harvard licensed his lab's version of partial cellular
- 32:28reprogramming to the biotech company Life biosen Bioscience Biosciences Sinclair
- 32:35retains equity. In April twenty twenty three, the company reported
- 32:39at an ophthalmology conference that they had successfully used this
- 32:43version of partial cellular reprogramming in the eyes of monkeys
- 32:48with a type of optic nerve strokes. The company said
- 32:51the experiment restored aspects of the monkey's lost vision and
- 32:56altered some of the nerve cells epigenomes, meaning the sales
- 33:00resembled those of younger animals. It was the first time
- 33:03partial reprogramming had been attempted in primates. The company reported
- 33:08no tumors or other side effects in its presentation, but
- 33:11the results haven't yet been peer reviewed or published. In
- 33:16December twenty twenty three, company representatives met with FDA officials
- 33:20to discuss their plans to use partial cellular reprogramming in
- 33:24the eyes of people with optic nerve strokes. Rosenwig Lipsen
- 33:30said optic nerve strokes are relatively uncommon in people, typically
- 33:34affecting about six thousand adults a year, but can be debilitating.
- 33:40The loss of vision in the affected eye is sudden,
- 33:43often total, and usually irreversible, although some eyes improve on
- 33:47their own, there is no treatment. In a statement to
- 33:50the Post, the FDA declined to comment on any interactions
- 33:54with Life Biosciences. If the FDA approves its application, they
- 34:00will repeat the methods from the mouse and monkey experiments.
- 34:04Rosenwig Libsen said scientists will inject volunteer's eyes with yamen
- 34:10Oka factors that can be turned off with the antibody
- 34:13doxa cycling. Rosenwag Libsen said the hope is that the
- 34:17cells in people's damaged optic nerves will grow more youthful
- 34:21at an epigenetic level, and their vision will improve. The
- 34:25company thinks it's partial programming won't result in tumors, since
- 34:30its protocol omits the most carcinogenic of the yemen ochrea factors.
- 34:35Rosenwig Libsen said they also believed, based on their animal studies,
- 34:40the remaining factors won't migrate from the eyeball to other
- 34:44parts of the body. Other scientists are also racing to
- 34:48be first to influence aging in people. The rewards medical, societal,
- 34:53and financial could be enormous. By the time of the
- 34:57Harvard study, different forms of partial cell reprogramming were already
- 35:02in use at a number of labs. At the Salt Institute,
- 35:05scientists had followed up their studies of progeric mice by
- 35:10creating mice that had extra copies of the four Yamanaka
- 35:13factors engineered into their DNA that could be activated with doxycycling.
- 35:19After several months, most of the fully reprogrammed mice were dead.
- 35:24The partially reprogrammed rodents were still alive and didn't experience
- 35:28any tarotomas, and in the adult animals, their kidneys and
- 35:32skin were biologically quote youngeruote according to tests of their epigenomes.
- 35:39None of the animals lived longer than normal, which was
- 35:42the main point of the experiment, but the researchers saw
- 35:46hope in the overall results in the technique, which they
- 35:49call cellular rejuvenation. Quote. I'm optimistic that with cellular rejuvenation
- 35:56we could alter the rate of progression of age and
- 36:00thereby increased overall health span. Said one. Carlos is Pisua Belmonte,
- 36:08who was the senior scientist at the Salk Institute who
- 36:12oversaw the mouse cellular reprogramming research and is now the
- 36:15director of the Altos Slabs San Diego Institute of Science,
- 36:20where he continues to study cellular programming. Reputedly the best
- 36:24funded biotech startup in history, Alto Slabs opened in January
- 36:29twenty twenty two with about three billion dollars in seed
- 36:33funding from tech billionaires and others, including reportedly Jeff Bezos,
- 36:37the founder of Amazon and owner of the post. Quote
- 36:42in parentheses. Bezos did not respond to a request for
- 36:45a comment and enclosed the parentheses. Headlines and commentary at
- 36:50the time described the lab's founding as a high tech
- 36:53quest for prolonged lifespans and even immortality by reversing aging
- 36:58inside every cell in the body, but to start, almost
- 37:02all researchers and analysts degree human experiments using cellular reprogramming,
- 37:07whether from Altos or other labs, will be limited in scope.
- 37:12In parentheses. A company spokesman for Altos declined to comment
- 37:15about the current status of its research or the possibility
- 37:18of human experiments in the future. Close the preentheses. They'll
- 37:22focus on specific diseases related to aging, such as diabetes, arthritis,
- 37:26optic nerve stroke, glucoma, dementia, and others, not aging itself,
- 37:31since aging isn't a disease according to the FDA, and
- 37:35drugs and other therapies can't be approved to treat it,
- 37:39although once approved, drugs can be used off label. It's unclear, though,
- 37:44whether treating damaged eyes or sore knees will satisfy wealthy
- 37:48funders who've been pouring billions into the hunt for longer lifespans.
- 37:53At the same time, some researchers worry safety concerns remain insurmountable. Quote.
- 37:59I don't believe that can be reprogramming unquote even partial
- 38:02reprogramming in living people without serious side effects, said Charles Brynner,
- 38:07a diabetes and cancer researcher at City of Hope Research
- 38:11Center in Duarte, California, and frequent critic of reprogramming studies. Quote.
- 38:17Reprogram cells divide rapidly. Cancer cells divide rapidly. You're proctally
- 38:22telling these cells to become cancer. Close the quote. There
- 38:27are other open questions too. No one yet knows why
- 38:31some cells respond to reprogramming, and others don't how long
- 38:34the epigenetic changes last, or if reprogramming efforts should focus
- 38:39on specific organs or the whole body. In an ambitious
- 38:43study from Stanford University published in March twenty twenty four,
- 38:47scientists used partial reprogramming either throughout the bodies of old
- 38:51mice are only inside their brains, hoping in both cases
- 38:55to improve brain health, but the full body experiment resulted
- 38:59in extra inflamment in the animals' brains for unknown reasons
- 39:03and few benefits change changes and few beneficial changes in neurons.
- 39:09The more targeted attempt with reprogramming confined to the animal's
- 39:14brains led to an increase in newborn neurons, but also
- 39:17an uptick in brain inflammation, which increases risk for neurodegeneration.
- 39:23Quote I think there's potential unquote in cellular reprogramming to
- 39:27combat brain diseases and other conditions, said Zeu at Q,
- 39:32who led the brain study as a graduate researcher at
- 39:36Stanford but has since left the field in part due
- 39:39to concerns about the possible downsides of reprogramming. Quote I
- 39:43worry about the speed quote at which reprogram and researchers
- 39:46are moving toward human experience human experiments, she said. Undeterred
- 39:52Life Biosciences said in a statement that the company believes
- 39:56that quote remains on track unquote to receive approval from
- 39:59the FA soon and to quote initiate the first human
- 40:03clinical trials unquote of its reprogramming therapy before the end
- 40:07of the year. Well that's the end of that lengthy article.
- 40:10But I thought it would be a good idea to
- 40:11read the entire article because it was so complicated and interesting.
- 40:16The next article, Trump officials cut four hundred million dollars
- 40:19from for Columbia. I have to warn you that I
- 40:22might have to cut this towards the end for time restraints.
- 40:26Trump administration cancels four hundred million dollars in funding to
- 40:30Columbia University. The Education Department is among several agencies cutting
- 40:34funds to the school for allegedly failing to protect Jewish
- 40:37students from anti semitism on campus. Here's the article. The
- 40:41Trump administration said Friday it was cutting off about four
- 40:44hundred million dollars in federal contracts and grants to Columbia University,
- 40:49saying the school has failed to protect Jewish students from
- 40:52anti semitism on campus. The administration took action just four
- 40:56days after announcing that several federal agencies were investing in Columbia.
- 41:01The school has been in the spotlight since last academic year,
- 41:05when pro Palestinian protesters erected tenths on lawns at the
- 41:09center of the university's Morningside Heights campus in Manhattan and
- 41:12refused to take them down in protest of the israel
- 41:16Gods of war. The full list of canceled grants and
- 41:20contracts were not available Friday, nor was it clear of
- 41:23what legal process the administration used to make its decisions.
- 41:28Cutting off funding is rare, and when it happens, it
- 41:31typically follows a lengthy investigation and judicial review. Campuses have
- 41:37generally been quieter this academic year, but this semester protest
- 41:41have cropped up at Columbia and Bernard College, an independent
- 41:45but affiliated school, including some this week. In a statement,
- 41:50Education Secretary Linda McMahon said that Jewish students have faced
- 41:54quote relentless violence, intimidation, and anti Semitic harassment. Close the
- 41:59quote quote for too long. Columbia has abandoned that obligation
- 42:03to Jewish students studying on its campus. Unquote, she said.
- 42:06Quote today we demonstrate to Columbia and other universities that
- 42:10we will not tolerate their appalling in action any longer.
- 42:13Close the quote. Samantha Slater, a spokewoman for Columbia, said
- 42:18university officials were reviewing the announcement and pledged to work
- 42:22with the federal government to restore funding. Quote. We take
- 42:26Columbia's legal obligations seriously and understand how serious this announcement
- 42:31is and are committed to combating anti semitism and ensuring
- 42:35the safety and well being of our students, faculty, and staff.
- 42:38Close the quote, she said in a statement. Columbia's interim president,
- 42:43Katrina Armstrong, said Friday that taking serious action toward combating
- 42:47anti semitism on campus was the school's number one priority.
- 42:50She said she had clarified rules and strengthened thisciplinary procedures
- 42:55and acknowledged that cancelation of the funds would immediately impact research,
- 43:00faculty and staff, and patient care. Quote anti Semitism, violence, discrimination, harassment,
- 43:06and other behaviors that violate our values or disrupt teaching,
- 43:11learning or research are antithetical to our mission. Unquote. She
- 43:15said quote, we must continue to work to address any
- 43:18instances of these unacceptable behaviors on our campus. We must
- 43:22work every day to do better close the quote. On Friday,
- 43:25Columbia announced that four of its students had been arrested
- 43:29as part of Tuesday's disruption at Bernard, and that those
- 43:32students had been suspended and restricted from campus while the
- 43:35university works through the disciplinary process. Under federal civil rights law,
- 43:41universities that allow discrimination on the basis of shared ancestry,
- 43:45such as Jewish heritage, are not eligible for federal funding.
- 43:50Since taking office, President Donald Trump has made clear he
- 43:53will target higher education, which Republicans have long seen as
- 43:57overly liberal and too focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion.
- 44:01In what many university leaders consider an all out attack
- 44:04on higher education, the administration has also cut funding associated
- 44:09with research grants, and Republicans are considering increasing the federal
- 44:13tax on endowments. Trump also has repeated criticized, repeatedly criticized
- 44:19universities for what he has characterized as a failure to
- 44:22respond to anti semitism. In January, he signed an executive
- 44:26order aimed at combating it. Friday's action was a warning
- 44:30shot to other schools, and said Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of
- 44:34the Anti Defamation League, which has worked to spotlight anti
- 44:37Semitic incidents on campuses. Schools, he said, had better quote
- 44:41think twice rather than letting these protests continue to go
- 44:45and checked close the quote. A senior Administration official, speaking
- 44:49on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized
- 44:52to speak publicly, said the White House is not currently
- 44:55working to pull federal funding from any other universities over
- 44:58the issue. The official described Columbia as a quote test case.
- 45:04Also Friday, the acting director of the Education Department's Office
- 45:08for Civil Rights, wrote to his staff that anti semitism
- 45:12investigations would be prioritized and that the office would no
- 45:16longer allow schools to quote avoid accountability unquote by negotiating
- 45:22quote toothless unquote reforms or reciting quote empty platitudes. Quote.
- 45:27Going forward, he wrote, the office would insist on meaningful
- 45:30policy changes with a quote strong emphasis on compliance. Close
- 45:34the quote. Friday's announcement about Columbia came from the Justice
- 45:39and Health and Human Services Departments and the General Services Administration,
- 45:44in addition to the Education Department. The agencies announced Monday
- 45:47that they were forming a task force to investigate Columbia.
- 45:51The task force was working to identify other grant cancelations
- 45:56that quote could be made swiftly unquote did messi straation
- 46:00said Friday. Columbia holds quote more than five billion dollars
- 46:04and federal grant commitments unquote, had said the government statement.
- 46:08Friday suggested that the penalty was being imposed so quickly
- 46:12because pro Palestinian protests have persisted on campus since the
- 46:16investigation launched. Quote. Chaos and anti Semitic harassment have continued
- 46:21on and near the campus, the statement said. Last week,
- 46:25Bernard officials said protesters caused thirty thousand dollars in damage
- 46:29to an academic building and injured an employee, and this
- 46:33week New York police officers detained several protesters during a
- 46:37sit in at Bernard. Typically, investigations into complaints of wrongdoing
- 46:41at schools and colleges are drawn out affairs that in
- 46:45with the government negotiating with school leaders to come into
- 46:48compliance with federal law. It is rare for the government
- 46:51to pull funding and unprecedented for it to do so
- 46:54after a day's long investigation. Kenneth Marcus, who headed the
- 46:59Education Department, its Office for Civil Rights under the first
- 47:01Trump administration, said he has never seen the federal government
- 47:05take action against the school so quickly. Normally, he said,
- 47:08investigations of campus bias incidents take months or years. Quote.
- 47:14This is the toughest stance we've seen from the federal
- 47:17government toward campus anti semitism ever, said Marcus, founder and
- 47:22chairman of the Lewis D. Brandei Center for Human Rights
- 47:25under Law, which focuses on fighting anti Semitism. Quote. The
- 47:30fact that the Trump administration has been able to respond
- 47:32as quickly is simply unbelievable. Unquote. Marcus said this process
- 47:36did not follow the approach normally used at the Education
- 47:39Department for investigating colleges, and details of how this investigation
- 47:44were conducted and its legal justification were not clear. Administration
- 47:49officials did not respond to questions about the legal basis.
- 47:53One cancelation notice, sent to researcher to a researcher Friday
- 47:58and reviewed by The Washington Post did not specify the
- 48:01legal reasoning for terminating the grant. It did not mention
- 48:05anti semitism or the university's response to protests. It said
- 48:09the agency was working to ensure the grant's quote, do
- 48:11not support programs or organizations unquote that unlawfully discriminate on
- 48:16the basis of a range of factors. The notice included
- 48:19a long list of possible wrongdoing, ranging from discrimination to
- 48:24fraud to a failure to serve the nation's best interest,
- 48:27but did not say which one applied to the grant
- 48:30in question. It gave the researcher thirty days to appeal
- 48:34the decision. Last year, twenty percent of Columbia's six point
- 48:38six big in dollar operating revenue came from government grants,
- 48:41including from the National Institutes of Health. According to a
- 48:45university breakdown, the one point three big in dollar total
- 48:49was the third largest source of revenue. Only patient care
- 48:52and tuition brought in larger shares. While the scope of
- 48:56the canceled contracts was not clear, some of the Cancer
- 49:00Grant's funded research on programs tied to higher education. One
- 49:04grant paid for the first ever rigorous evaluation of the
- 49:07effectiveness of the one billion dollar annual Federal Work Study program.
- 49:11This is the fifth year of the study. So Brock,
- 49:15director of the Community College Research Center at Teachers College,
- 49:18fears the cancelation will obviate the previous year's work. Last
- 49:23academic year, intense protests broke out over the Israel Gaza War,
- 49:26and Columbia came under congressional scrutiny, accused of failing to
- 49:29do more to prevent anti Semitism on campus. Now I apologize,
- 49:34I'm going to cut it off there so we can
- 49:36read at least a part of the remaining article. So
- 49:40we'll go back and we'll pick up the article on Syrians.
- 49:44Here's that article. And this article is lengthy and I
- 49:46will not be able to read it in its entirety.
- 49:49Syrians unearthed horrors of the Assad years in their basements.
- 49:53Syrians had stayed silent about the bodies jumped into countless
- 49:57basements by Assad's forces. Rescue teams are now moving from
- 50:01home to home excavating remains. Here's the article. In the
- 50:06days after the ouster of Syrian President Bashar Assad, rescue
- 50:12workers began to receive calls about the trail of bodies
- 50:15that his loyalists had left in people's homes. For years,
- 50:19Syrians had stayed quiet about what they found upon returning
- 50:23to houses they had fled during the civil war's worst periods.
- 50:26So ventful were the government security forces that residents worried
- 50:30they might meet the same fate as the abandoned skeletons
- 50:34if they reported them. Three months after Assad's fall, doors
- 50:38hiding the shallow graves had been flung open in the
- 50:42Damascus district of Beina Beina sbi Na last week. The
- 50:49bones in one basement were so incinerated that it was
- 50:52hard for civil defense workers to identify how many bodies
- 50:56were in the ash At first, As Washington Post journalists observed,
- 51:00the men tried counting the pelvises. In the end, they
- 51:03found themselves guessing were their twenty here or more. One
- 51:08of the skulls seemed tiny, they noted, and there were
- 51:11bullet casings in the detritus. They wondered whether this was
- 51:16a family that had been killed together. None of the
- 51:19neighbor's watchings seemed to know. A front line in Syria's war,
- 51:25I'll call this Sabina. Sabina Sbei Na had become a
- 51:29quote security zone unquote in twenty eleven, emptied of civilians
- 51:33as loyalist forces patrolled the people of the neighboring suburbs
- 51:39of Hajjara, Swan besieged at the time, said hundreds of
- 51:42residents had disappeared after trying to escape through Sabina, where
- 51:47families returned home to Sabina from twenty fifteen onward, they
- 51:51had locked the doors on their grim discoveries. Quote. If
- 51:54we had told the authorities, they would have said that
- 51:57we killed them, unquote, said the basement's owner. Ahmed said,
- 52:01quote what were we supposed to do? The Aside family
- 52:05who fled Syria in December were notorious for a network
- 52:09of prisons in which tens of thousands of adults and
- 52:12children died from executions, torture and neglect. Rescue workers and
- 52:17researchers said that the bodies in Sabena came from a
- 52:21different epidemic of killing, this one by the loyalist forces
- 52:25as they carried out summary executions during battles to force
- 52:28rebel held areas into submission. The challenges of identifying the
- 52:34dead will be enormous, and Syria is ill prepared for
- 52:37the task. Beset by economic crisis and crippled by fourteen
- 52:41years of war, the government has little capacity to exume
- 52:44and catalog bodies on such a large scale. The Syrian
- 52:48Network for Human Rights estimates that about one hundred thousand
- 52:52people went missing in the regime's jails. Given the killing
- 52:57outside their walls, the number is likely to be far higher.
- 53:00In Sabina. The White Helmets, a civil defense force that
- 53:04previously operated in opposition held areas, said it has exhumed
- 53:08about fifty bodies from just three basements so far in
- 53:12the wider area. They said there are seven more locations
- 53:15they have yet to search. Elsewhere in Syria, human remains
- 53:20have been found in sewage pipes and wells. Quote they
- 53:24left these bodies for the people to throw in the
- 53:26garbage in quote, said Amar Elselmo, who leads the White
- 53:30Helmets rescue missions around Sabina. Quote that was how the
- 53:34regime disposed of people. Unquote. These civil defense workers, wearing
- 53:38masks and gloves, combed carefully through the remains, placing anything
- 53:43that could be a bone fragment into white cardboard boxes
- 53:47that were then stacked in the back of a van.
- 53:50They were to be taken for forensic testing in Damascus,
- 53:53though it was unclear when such testing would occur. It
- 53:56could take years to begin the large scale DNA test
- 54:00of bodies from Syria's mass and shallow graves. Forensic experts
- 54:04say the better preserved the remains, the more likely a
- 54:08positive identification. Here soft tissue has burned away. Years in
- 54:12the open air have eroded what was left the aside.
- 54:16Regime's siege of Hajjen Swad was cruel. Survivors recounted hospitals
- 54:22and clinics used tissues in place of medical gauze, and
- 54:25supplies ran out, families exhausted pantry stockpiles. By twenty thirteen,
- 54:31residents who had stayed were often living on one meal
- 54:34a day. What Naim Mustafa's wife in Tissar discovered in
- 54:39twenty thirteen that she was pregnant with her first child,
- 54:42Mustapha recalled her family found someone to smuggle her through
- 54:46Sabina's checkpoint at night. Quote. Her brothers didn't tell me
- 54:49how much they paid. They just said they had secured
- 54:52a safe route, unquote, said Mustafa forty eight. Quote, and
- 54:56I wanted her to be safe. Unquote. That's the woman's
- 55:01name left on foot with seven relatives. The walk was
- 55:04meant to last fifteen minutes. Mustapha's Mustafa heard no news
- 55:08for three days. Their phones were out of service. When
- 55:11he called, the middleman blocked his number quote, and then
- 55:15I knew unquote Mustapha said, concluding that he that she
- 55:18had been arrested or killed. Another resident, rieim Ahmayer, forty two,
- 55:25said her husband at Nan had disappeared along the same route.
- 55:29The last time she saw him was in the summer
- 55:32of twenty twelve, on the day she took their children
- 55:34to see family on the Muslim Aid holiday. They returned
- 55:39that night to find a battle raging, checkpoints closed and
- 55:43no way through. When Ameri spoke with her husband on
- 55:47the phone one night, he told her quote, if I
- 55:49call you in fifteen minutes, bring the children and meet
- 55:52me under the bridge. If I don't call you, something
- 55:55terrible has happened unquote. She never heard from him again.
- 55:59There were already bodies in his basement and Mohammed Haifi,
- 56:03aged forty six, when he returned for a brief check
- 56:06on his property in twenty fifteen, graffiti apparently left by
- 56:10loyalist forces on the walls included an obscene reference to
- 56:14the rebels and the warning quote will be back unquote.
- 56:18Haifi's house didn't feel like a home After that, his
- 56:22family stayed with relatives in central Damascus, and his children
- 56:26stopped talking about returning to Sabina. The news that the
- 56:30bodies were finally gone, conveyed by a neighbor had received thoughts,
- 56:35had revived thoughts of going home. Quote we've started thinking
- 56:40about the house again, unquote, he said. Quote when we're
- 56:44looking around our place in Damascus and we're talking about
- 56:47how the fridge in the old place is better, the
- 56:50sofa in the old place was better, closed the quote.
- 56:53Several days after retrieving the burned bodies, the White Helmets
- 56:57were busy in another basement picking shards of bone from
- 57:00burdened tires. When a resident came to tell them he
- 57:03had found bones in his house too. The team exchanged looks. Quote,
- 57:07please can you go back and make sure unquote, one
- 57:10team member asked him, quote, we really have our hands full.
- 57:14By the way, at this point is the photograph that
- 57:17I mentioned when I began. It showed two little girls,
- 57:20two sisters about twelve years old, taking a quick look
- 57:24inside a basement of their building before running back upstairs.
- 57:28As members of the White Helmets collect human remains. Now
- 57:32back to the article, children scurried up and down the
- 57:35stairs to the basement, saying they had known for months
- 57:38that the bodies were there. Jurry alamari Age twelve, said
- 57:42she and her best friend Raywan had spotted them through
- 57:46a metal grate and an outside wall after she overheard
- 57:49her parents talking. Her mother, Mona Alisa, aged thirty eight,
- 57:53said the girls sometimes cried at night, thinking they heard
- 57:57voices from the basement, and unfortunately, I've got to stop
- 58:00out there. This concludes the reading of the Washington Post
- 58:02for today, Saturday, March eight, twenty twenty five. Your reader
- 58:07has been Mark Webster. If you have any questions, comments,
- 58:10or suggestions concerning this program, please feel free to call
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