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Ep. 6 | Part 1 | Sorting Trash, Spotting Ravens & Spilling Life Tea · Go Wildly Podcast

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I went to Seattle with intrigue about the city and also just
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this deep understanding that I was going to hate a lot of a
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city. But also look at the cool shit
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that's happening behind the scenes.
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Probably. I'm actually breathing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Which is rare for me. Behind the scenes is the show.
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Yeah. Humanity is highly compulsible.
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This week on Go Wildly, Emily heads out for a solo adventure
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and is joined by Christy Chow, a dynamic force of nature.
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Born and raised in the wild heart of Southern Oregon,
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Christy is equal parts brainy and brawny, thriving on
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movement, mischief, and meaning. Whether she's diving into
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circular economies, sparking big laughs, identifying birds, or
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pondering life's deeper currents, Christy brings a
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unique blend of curiosity, connection, and wild hearted joy
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to everything she does. For the extended experience of
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our hike at the Green Springs Mountain Loop Trail outside
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Ashland, OR check out our YouTube Let's Get Into.
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It just kidding. Kind of.
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We're getting into it, but this conversation was just too good
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to squeeze into one episode, so we're splitting it into two
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parts. Please enjoy this Part 1 and
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catch the rest of the adventure next week in Part 2.
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OK, now please enjoy every few. Seconds.
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This is like this, you know. Well, sever that one.
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She. Left in the the part in our
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intro because it was probably the best take that we did where
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I'm blowing on mosquitoes. That's.
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In the intro where you hear a it's me blowing off a mosquito.
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Oh my God, what? Behind the scenes knowledge?
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Yeah. Are we like those on the thing?
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I mean, I'm taking my shoes off because they're muddy and.
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Because you have a bog in your shoes.
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I did in fact notice that. Oh, I did get a nice little
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Raspberry on my calf on my. Where's that from?
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Probably that log that I log rolled.
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Over it was a technique. It was.
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It worked after I stumbled. Yeah, my shoes will dry out and
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we're for going chairs today because I only had one chair and
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this just feels more like us. Yeah.
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Oh, I wasn't. I was not.
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I love what you guys do and when you were like, do you have an
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extra chair? I was like, oh, I really don't
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want to be on a chair. Yeah.
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So, yeah, I'd rather if, if it's conducive, I'd rather just sit
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on the ground. And that's how I.
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I am in general. I actually because I work from
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home a lot and I have always. Mic.
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Yes, please. May I reach into your?
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Shirt, Please reach into my shirt.
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Perfect. But like I, you know, I work
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from home a lot. It's like touching my mouth.
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Should I? Should I move this down?
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Where do we want it? Where's the best place?
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Where are you going to leave your sweater out?
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It's right there. OK, OK.
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Can she not fiddle maybe? There's no colors.
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Sorry. We're still we're still on.
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We're still cooking with gas fill of your hat too.
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Yeah yeah, that's that's a cool look.
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It's right like here is best, but this is a nice like it's not
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getting bonked around by things and.
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Like I think you should just have.
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That always this is just how I go through my day.
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It's like a pom pom. It's really like, oh, she's the
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podcast person. It's a branding.
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But Heather and I hiked up her Table Rock a week or two ago and
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we were doing the thing and the guy walked by and was like, oh,
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you have you have microphones on your hats.
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And boy, did I pull out my 3° personnel.
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And I was like, yeah, well, actually we're out here filming
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a podcast. We had just gotten business
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cards. So I was like, I don't think I
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have any. Oh, I was like, here, take a
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card. Like, let's check us out.
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Have a listen. We launched this week.
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I love that. Give you a business card.
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I want a business. Card.
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Because you know what it's like. I'm going to put it in my
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journal. Yes.
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I mean, and you know, I share digitally the podcast, but I
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would I would love to have it. Love to give you a business card
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yeah but it was so it was so fun that was the first business card
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I got to give out was on the trail because he saw our
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microphones I. Love that you're it's like that
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you're on it, you know, like it's really like this is this
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is. This is our image, yeah.
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This is a great photo, by the way.
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I know it's on your, it's like your main image, right?
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Like but it's it's so nice. Thank you, Heather.
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Did it, Heather. Yeah.
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Two thumbs up to Heather. And she is such a great partner
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on all of this. Creative genius.
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Yeah. Amazing.
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She's so, she's so fun. She's so creative.
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She's a really good worker. I don't know, Heather.
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Right. No.
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OK, no checking. Just checking.
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But you'd love her and we would be having such a great time.
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Yeah, if she was here. I mean, we're already having a
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great time with your family. Yes.
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Family. We'll get into that.
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Family is everything. Yes.
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You know, but yeah, that's that's amazing.
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Yeah. Awesome.
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Love it. I'm this is great.
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Yeah. Good.
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And you you got on the trend. You have the QR code.
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Yeah. Fewer words, more QR codes.
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Yeah, I mean. Sometimes I'm like fucking, I
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have to pull out my phone right now and I pull this up and oh,
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my camera's not working. I have to have the brightness of
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just right, but has. Southern Oregon started to do
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the menus. Oh, yeah, Because of COVID,
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Yeah. Oh, right, right.
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COVID made it all to our menus. That's right.
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And we're now starting to get regular menus back.
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OK. But it's still a lot of, like,
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both options are there. Yeah.
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Which I like when you're waiting for somebody to come and drop
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off a menu, Right. And they're a little
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understaffed, overworked. There's a QR code and you can
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start looking at the menu before you get the physical one in your
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hands. Right, right.
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Yeah, Yeah. I have mixed feelings about it.
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Like, I think a lot of that stuff that's like, I went to
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Seattle with intrigue about the city and also just this deep
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understanding that I was going to hate a lot of a city, you
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know, I mean, like, cuz. You'd grown up here, and you've
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grown up here in Ashland. You went to college and grad
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school in Santa Clara. No, just undergrad OK and then
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grad school ended up because of COVID being mostly online.
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I was supposed to be in Denver. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, so I had my ticket for cuz it was a hybrid program.
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So I was gonna be there the last semester, had my ticket ready.
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And then they said don't come. And then they were like maybe
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wait a little bit. And it ended up being what, four
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years or something where we could, but yeah, but yeah.
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And so then we got masks in the mail. 2020 grad masks.
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That was the swag. That was the swag. 2020 grad
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cloth mask thesis online. Wow, it was wild.
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It was such a crazy time. I mean, I still think back to
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that and I'm like, that was real.
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It exists. It's still as part of like
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everything, but it, it, it, I mean, from an environmental
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context too. It's so interesting,
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fascinating. So many different, different
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things were happening and things measurable changes we were
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seeing in a split. You know, gone second.
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That was like in talent when I was on the City Council and
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doing 0 waste reduction work in talent community.
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We had just passed our no single use food service wear policy, so
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all of the restaurants were transitioning to no single use
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to go containers, cutlery, cups, all of that.
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And it was all going to be compostable or reusable.
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Yeah. And then COVID hit and all of
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that went out the window. Yeah.
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In in a moment. I mean, I think it was.
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I have no idea. Yeah, because I don't live in
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talent anymore. Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah. And, and it was an ordinance
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that was, you know, a city ordinance, but it was going to
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be mostly enforced by the community, the Talent 0 Waste
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team, right? And multiple people on that team
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had their houses burned down and the Alameda Fire at the end of
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20/20/2020. And so they were moved out and
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their house had just burned down.
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Like the trauma of that they weren't thinking about how can I
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support the zero waste efforts and recoveries and and now a
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third of the town, how do I rebuild my life?
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Where do I want to live now that I don't have a house?
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And when people are living in very temporary settings, it
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doesn't really make a lot of sense to have a lot of things
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with them that they have to tote around everywhere that they go.
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So it comes back to this one thing that I need for right now,
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and then I'm gonna toss it. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, there's like, that is so real, that piece of it.
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There's like we talk a lot in our work about like climate
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resiliency and adaptation and disaster and stuff like that.
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And that, that's an interesting conversation between that
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department and like the waste department, right?
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Like the folks who do like the waste work because you know, we
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are every, you know, every single day, 24/7 eating,
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sleeping, drinking, you know, lower your waste, reduce waste,
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you know, and then these situations happen and like, yes,
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like the like the Alameda Fire, for instance, where I got the
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job offer call. Wow, while I was handing out as
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much single use, like protective equipment, I was down here, I
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was at the the kind of the we called them the camps, right,
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Like when we were handing out resources and you know, all the
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stuff that like it'd be so interesting because people, some
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people close minded folks in the communities that I'm part of,
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you know, would be like, oh, like there's got to be better
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ways. Like that's but sometimes you
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have to be like, there's not this is the way.
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Like if we if we don't, if we don't help people first, what do
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we have to work on? Right.
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Yeah. So that's such, that was an
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interesting like juxtaposition of like being there working,
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like doing like aid now and then getting this like, you know,
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call of like, hey, do you have like, can we talk about like the
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job? And then me being like,
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literally they called three times and me being like, I can't
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talk right now, but I can call you back and like, and I
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realized that could have been a big misstep, right?
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Like it could have been, could have.
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It wasn't. Which was great.
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They probably saw it as a really good value signal of you of wow,
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she's really involved in her community and she's doing
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community work. Yeah, that is beneficial and
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aiding beyond helping people to reduce their waste, like she's
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helping to save people's lives and they didn't want to be
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assholes. Probably, yeah.
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So back to that of like people probably generally don't want to
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try and be an asshole. So yeah, no, definitely.
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I think that that was like that was a really, it was just such
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an interesting parallel time. But what you say is such a good
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point because I think it's something that within the maybe
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like siloed 0 waste, which first of all, that whole term there's
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problems with. But within that community, it's
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like, you know, there can be very like privileged, close
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minded opinions about how 0 waste should look or, or waste
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reduction should look and what an ideal would be.
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But the reality is when you have disasters, which, you know, up
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in Seattle, a lot of those folks, you know, I won't speak
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for most people because a lot of their people are coming from
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other places. But you know, the wildfire is
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not top of mind in it is on the West Coast, but it isn't
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necessarily up there because within the West side of the
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Cascades up far up north like. We're.
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We're worried about the smoke now.
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Yeah. I mean, I will say in the last
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couple years actually, since even since I've been there, it's
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talked about more. It's less of like my yard is
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going to be on fire. And we're of awe man the smoke.
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Yeah. And I did grow up with the awe
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man the smoke because I'm, I've, I'm in Ashland where a lot of
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times it was smoke from the California fires, right?
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Or from other areas in, in Seattle.
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It's a lot of Canada fires. We're getting the smoke and
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that's the big bummer until like 2020 when my dad had to evacuate
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his office in Ashland, right? Or where my, my friends families
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or all my friends who are in talent and their homes were
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gone. And that's when it was suddenly
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like, OK, right. So this is more than smoke, you
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know, like it's, it's about like it's here.
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Wildfire has always been here, and it's much, it's much.
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It's happening much more often and at a higher degree and much
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worse. Right.
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And when there's the heat, forest, wildfire, yes, And then
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there's. Urban.
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And then there's urban wildfire, right?
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Because the Tinder is box is different and it's explosive,
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yeah. And everything in our homes is
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flammable. Yep, every material.
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I mean, when the Almeda fire was happening, all night long, you
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could hear propane tanks blowing up.
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Yeah. Because it was people's houses
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burning, which meant their barbecues.
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Right. And my house has seven propane
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tanks at it because it's a rafting house.
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Yeah. Take propane tanks to power our
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stoves on the river. And so you know how many houses
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don't have a propane tank? Yeah.
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Let alone multiple. Yeah.
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And this. Isn't a tree.
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And burning anymore, they had to.
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A lot of people had to evacuate in one vehicle, if they got to
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in a vehicle at all. Yeah.
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And so vehicles are exploding, gas tanks are exploding.
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And it's that fuels more fire, right?
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Yeah. Right.
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So it's not just burning through like Tinder.
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No, everything that is catching on fire is catching on more fire
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and creating more and more heat and explosivity and.
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Humanity is highly combustible heat.
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And that was like, like, the smoke is one thing.
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The smoke is is debilitating. It's toxic.
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Yeah, it's a lot. But then when it's the smoke of
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your friends. Literally homes, yeah.
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Or like there's smoke and there's fire right under it.
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Yeah. And it's hot and it's here.
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Like that's, that's something that a lot of the people that I
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interact with up north don't have context for.
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So it's, it's so interesting to like, again, just to, to be
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there's, there's a lot of, you know, it's a city, there's a lot
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of a lot of privilege. There's a lot of a lot of
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everything because it's a city, but especially, you know,
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affluent West Coast city for a lot of the folks there, it's
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just, it's such a different reality.
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And so I do, I think about the fires a lot, like even in the
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waste work that I do, because when it comes down to it, when
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we do go into a community where it's not feasible, right?
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Like I'm, I'm thinking we, we try and, and, and help folks
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transition to reuse in the Chinatown International District
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where there are a lot of like small mom and pop shops where
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they're just trying to get by. And a lot of them are immigrant
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families and they don't really speak a lot of English or
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anything like that. And it's kind of like in a
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sense, there's like for them, they're just at a different like
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place, you know, and there and for them, single use is what's
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feasible and what's going to help them as a community more
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right now, right? And so like, unless there's aid
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that comes in, which luckily we have in our program to some
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degree to help provide them with with some other resources and
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like ask them and understand what they need, which is key,
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right? Like you don't just go into a
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community and shove resources, do whatever.
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This is, I see you. I see you have a problem that
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I've identified, and this is what's going to make your life
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better. Oh, it's terrible.
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And they're like, cool, thanks. Can't use this.
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Can't use it. Don't want this.
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Yeah, like not gonna. You don't understand how my
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business works or like how my community views this thing.
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We didn't see that as a problem. Right, right.
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It's not or like how do you know we're not reusing what we right
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have? So it's like there are
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assumptions and everything. So that's been an interesting
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part of like learning about it, but seeing to just like what it
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takes for different communities to be resilient and like, how do
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we, how do we take a pause and listen to that and understand
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that? And so that all to me comes back
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to, I think a lot about like the fire resiliency and, and, and
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like what do we do when you don't have the tools that you're
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supposed to have, right when, when, when something like this
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happens, like you get down to the bare bones, you're handing
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out. Like one of the things I was
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thinking of was at the fire camps when we were just making
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sandwiches and handing them out. And it's like somebody was like,
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what about the public health? What public health?
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Yeah, Like what? This is crisis.
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Do you want food? Why do you like what?
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How like these systems? There are times when the systems
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are gone. Yeah.
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Like, you know, and, and, and you have the aid and that's what
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you know. So I think it's so interesting
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because like my life is built up around systems, my professional
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life, but I think about home and I think about these, I think
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about wildfire and I step out of it.
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So it's really, it's, it's such an interesting thing because
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even the wildfire has very little to do with what I do on a
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day-to-day. It's always that kind of
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reminder of like, and it and it happened to be that that was an
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instance where I got the job offer call.
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And so that was like a really pivotal, like, wow, this is
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going to follow me. Yeah.
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And in thinking about like the scope of work that you want to
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accomplish and when a system goes down, when a system that
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you're relying on goes down and fails, what is the bear?
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What is underneath that? What's the bare bones?
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What do people actually need to live and how can we respond to
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that in essentially the opportunity to create a new
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system exactly to rebuild, because so much of what we're
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doing is responding to the systems that are already at
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play. And as much as fire is
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devastating, yeah, it also it makes a clean.
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Slate, it's very necessary. Yeah.
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It's many environmentally trees that we like.
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I mean, propagation, for instance, of some of our like
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Keystone, like ecology is absolutely critical.
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Yeah, there are some kind trees that can't actually grow again,
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unless, yeah, they need the heat to.
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They need the fire to open up their cones and disperse their
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seeds. Yeah, I can't remember what the
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word for that is called, but it's a really good word and I
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know it starts with an S. Oh, man, but my forest ecology.
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Oh, I wish I knew that word. I probably it's somewhere in
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Sarotenous. Sarotenous Saroten back.
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Let's go. See, all of these things are
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somewhere in the filing cabinet. I just lose them.
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Gotta whip it back out. Yeah, yes, like so clean slate.
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What do we actually want that to look like?
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So like for example, in Talent, we had just created these new,
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we just adopted into the Talent comprehensive plan the like
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overarching laws and rules and orders for talent.
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Yeah. All of these clean energy and
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climate policies, we had written a community based clean energy
19:02
action plan. It had all been incorporated
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into a section of the comprehensive plan and adopted
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into law. Yeah.
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And little did we, I mean, a lot of them we knew were going to be
19:13
challenging because how do you take a home that's already built
19:16
right and convert it to all clean stuff?
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How do you retrofit something exact exactly?
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Yeah. We knew that a lot of we were
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making a lot of policies for new builds, yes.
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That if you're going to build new, IT has to be built under
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these parameters. Yeah.
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Little did we know, yeah, that eight months later, 1/3 of the
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town was going to burn down and things were going to be built
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new. And we were going to have this
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policy, these policies in place for these things to be built
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with efficiency conservation fire wise, solar ready like.
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I mean, thank goodness that you were thinking ahead in that way.
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We couldn't. We couldn't have predicted that
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future, right? But something.
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What a great opportunity it became to say wow, like, yeah,
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that was really horrible. Yeah, not downplaying the trauma
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and horror of 1/3 of the town burning down, but wow, we got to
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actually. And they're continuing to build.
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I'm not part of the WE anymore. I don't live there, but the
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community is getting to rebuild in the way that they wanted
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things to be built. Yeah, I feel like people need to
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hear and see that more because I think that's where a lot of my
20:31
work and like the work that other people, our work like that
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environmental work gets lost is like in not getting to see
20:42
those, not a case study, but not getting to see those examples of
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like where these people did this helpful work that like laid the
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why these things are important and necessary, right,
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essentially. And like where all of these
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parts of going back to that chain or to the circle fit in to
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the path that makes like our place livable.
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You know, I mean down to like your literal building.
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Like how much insulation is exactly so that you don't have
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to have so that you don't have to use so much energy to heat or
21:17
cool your home safer? Wiring.
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I mean like thinking about. The orientation of your home so
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that you have sunlight coming in or or you don't.
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Maybe it's just too hot of an area and actually you don't want
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windows on that side that are bringing more heat into your
21:34
home or how you plant the trees and the.
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Irrigation, you know, or like. How's the runoff going to
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happen? How do you prevent waterlog if
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we do have fire and they we get more runoff like you said, and
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then there's some flooding, like what are we going to do?
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You know? So it's so it's like all of that
21:51
planning that goes into it and all the thought like I almost
21:53
wish that there was like more how do we make that sexy?
21:56
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like how do you make that?
21:58
How do we make it? How do you make it?
22:01
But like it's. So this is when I get on the
22:05
soapbox, one of many of like we do such like important work like
22:11
this is like this is this is so critical and like celebrate us
22:16
more. Damn it, cuz we're we're we're
22:19
living in the moment with it. We're responding to what's
22:22
currently happening, Yeah, but we're also planning for the
22:24
future, yeah, for this vision that we have.
22:27
Robots and I don't make major motion pictures but like also
22:32
this is cool. Yeah.
22:33
Like, you know, we're helping the planet and people it's.
22:38
Very. Cool, you know.
22:39
And when you get to, we've talked about this kind of on
22:44
Rihanna's episode of like, you show up to something, you just
22:47
get to see the wonder and the glory of it.
22:50
But then when you actually get behind the scenes of it, the
22:52
what goes into it, what's underneath it all, Yeah.
22:56
It makes it even more wonderful and glorious.
22:58
Yeah. And even something that may not
23:01
be super glamorous, well then you see what went into it and it
23:05
just gives it another light that makes it so much cooler.
23:09
I just love knowing how things work.
23:11
And so I think that that's also a drive for me and why I'm like,
23:15
everyone should recognize all of the little bits of the puzzle.
23:19
Yeah. Because like, the end product is
23:21
glorious and you can't get there without it, and everyone knows
23:25
that. But also look at the cool shit
23:27
that's happening behind the scenes.
23:28
Yeah. Of every system that you
23:30
interact with, right. My first time going to a Murph,
23:35
a materials recovery facility and seeing like how things are
23:40
split up and optically sorted by machinery so that most of what
23:45
we can recover it can be cut down.
23:48
And to call it for, for glass again or for steel or, you know,
23:51
whatever it is that things are aluminum, whatever's being
23:54
sorted out in our recycling systems like that, that was
23:57
really interesting to see. And like, if you, I think it
23:59
like the intrigue there, right? Like, it's like you get to see
24:02
the system, see how it works. You understand it better.
24:04
You're gonna like it better. Yeah, you're gonna like it
24:06
better. And you're gonna feel like you
24:07
understand where you're a part of it.
24:09
And that's so key, right. Theater, same thing, right.
24:12
Like I had to know, we, we actually in our program back in
24:15
undergrad when I did theater as well as environmental, the
24:18
theatre side of things you had to go through to have the major,
24:21
you had to go through and do rotations of being like either
24:25
on stage or off stage. So.
24:27
You had to do the tech you. Had to do tech, you had to go,
24:29
but you had to do set design. You had to paint sets, you had
24:32
to help build certain sets. You had to learn how to do, you
24:35
know, use tools and things like that.
24:36
And you had to go up into the catwalks and do lighting.
24:40
And then you had to take a class on.
24:41
I mean, it's so interesting because it's like some of this
24:43
stuff were like just kept me on stage, right?
24:45
Or some people are like, keep me on off stage.
24:47
But when you have that deeper appreciation, especially I would
24:51
say for theater, because like in show business, it's like behind
24:54
the scenes is the show. Yeah, that's the show.
24:57
That's like you, you, you as an audience member.
25:01
Once you're a theater person or you understand what's going on
25:03
behind there, you're paying attention to so much, so much
25:06
more. So much more.
25:07
It's almost annoying. Yeah.
25:08
Quite frankly, because you're like, I can't, you almost you're
25:11
like, I need to go see the show 3 times because the first time I
25:13
need to see it and just look at the story, whatever.
25:15
Then the next time I can pick apart like, oh, when that light
25:18
comes on somebody having to, is that manual or is that like, and
25:21
how are they blending those two colors together?
25:22
And then like, are they, who's where, where are they sitting to
25:26
signal that they had, you know, it's just, it's so.
25:29
Yeah, yeah. It's fascinating.
25:30
I'd get into that all the time with my ex-husband because he's
25:34
an audio, an audio engineer and a musician.
25:38
And we'd go to shows and I just want to enjoy the show.
25:41
I just want to like listen to the music and dance.
25:43
And he's like full assessment of the sound system.
25:47
What mics are they using? What amps are they using?
25:49
Like, oh, why is that? That speaker's blown over there,
25:53
like, and sometimes he would go like find the sound guy and then
25:58
I would start to go and find the sound guy and be like, hey, so
26:02
your mids are a little bit high. And I'm just telling you as an
26:07
audience member, like this is what I'm noticing.
26:09
Like who is this? And then they probably be like,
26:12
damn. Like she was right.
26:13
She. Was right.
26:14
She's right. Yeah, Oh, yeah.
26:17
But that's like so I mean, that's so like every single part
26:20
of our world is like that. I think about that with this
26:22
podcast, right. Like, I mean, I'm asking you
26:24
like, oh, like behind the scenes.
26:26
Like how are you doing this thing?
26:27
Like it's like it's such an interesting what what is the for
26:31
you? What part of the behind the
26:34
scenes? Because you obviously like you,
26:37
you don't may not do like I think you said Heather does like
26:39
a lot of the like production and cutting and post, you know, that
26:42
kind of stuff. But like, what part of it for
26:44
you is either equal to or better than being in front?
26:52
Honestly, I've, it's so new. Yeah, this is a very new
26:55
venture, but I'm really enjoying.
26:59
I'm doing most of so far. I'm doing most of the
27:02
recruitment of guests. That's why all the guests so far
27:07
have been like my besties and how lucky that am I that I have
27:13
incredible friends. There we go.
27:15
Like. Are in super intelligent and
27:20
have a relationship with the outdoors and are super
27:23
interesting. Fascinating people that tell
27:25
good stories and make great fodder for this production that
27:32
I get to like, introduce to the world and brag about.
27:36
And so like, this is my really cool friend.
27:39
Well, also getting to see more regularly how cool you are
27:43
because you are the recurring guest.
27:44
Yeah, you know, you know. And and my coolness is increased
27:49
when they see all these people that I.
27:51
Associate with or someone else, right?
27:53
We reflect. Yeah.
27:55
Yeah. So I'm loving like.
27:58
But there's strategy. Behind there's strategy and
28:01
there's a lot of practicing. Like somebody may say, yeah,
28:06
they're interested, but they haven't responded to my e-mail
28:10
in three weeks. Does that mean no?
28:11
OK, two weeks, but. Like, you know, I send out a
28:16
poll of availability and get you scheduled and then I'm waiting
28:19
and I'm waiting. But once it actually gets
28:22
rolling and we're building like the agenda for the day and
28:28
picking the local location and the time, right, and kind of
28:33
directing, conducting the conversation a little bit, yeah,
28:37
I love the logistics. I love it.
28:40
It really is tapping back into that.
28:42
You love some logistics. You do.
28:45
I love, I love planning a trade. You plan.
28:47
Yeah, like the the movie nights, right?
28:49
Yeah. Like, I mean, you know how to
28:51
host fucking party. You do.
28:53
I'm planning a party right now. There's a big I'm trying
28:56
desperately to figure out how to make it work.
28:58
So he's come to the summer party.
29:00
I'm planning a dinner party right now for my housemate.
29:03
She is an awesome chef, Yeah. And I'm surprised that this is
29:08
the first time I've started to brag about her in our
29:10
conversation cuz usually I'm like every 5 minutes.
29:13
Like what is this an opportunity to brag about Asia yet?
29:17
So she's an awesome chef and she has been taking over my meal
29:23
prep. I don't get joy from cooking.
29:25
I fucking love to eat, yes. I love food, yes, so much.
29:30
But me making the food, yes, reduces my joy of the eating.
29:35
Sure. And so I've been, I've been
29:38
paying a local, like restaurant meal prep service for like a
29:43
year and a half, maybe, maybe a little bit longer.
29:46
And they were closing down shop, moving on to other ventures.
29:51
And so I asked Asia if she wanted to take over my meal
29:56
prep. Yeah.
29:57
And it's been amazing. I get so much more variety.
29:59
I get to watch her cook. I get to come home to the house
30:03
smelling like such delicious food.
30:06
Yeah. And she'll be like.
30:08
So I'm thinking about making this or this.
30:10
And you're like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
30:13
Yes both either all sounds great and so her oh like the way that
30:20
I manifested this Oh my God I'm so grateful every single day
30:26
we're so fortunate we get along so well I.
30:28
Want to eat you? Should I want to come eat?
30:31
Yeah, yeah. She's amazing and she's we're
30:35
very similar. Like I describe her to people as
30:39
me if I was 26 like me now if I was 26.
30:44
Not 26 year old version of me, you, me, what I know and who I
30:49
am now as if I was 26. Wow, she's fucking awesome.
30:53
Whoa, who's she gonna be when she's like 3534?
30:57
It's amazing. And even more incredible.
30:59
Wow, So part of her professional career pathway that I
31:07
recognized. And also she vocalized she wants
31:11
to leave the job that she's at and sorry any of her coworkers
31:15
who might be listening but probably know and she wants to
31:19
move into like full time food service, private food service,
31:22
catering. Yeah, catering meal prep.
31:25
She doesn't wanna work in a restaurant.
31:27
She wants to do, like, individual clients.
31:29
Yeah. And so I'm gonna host a dinner
31:31
party with a bunch of friends who have seen the meals that
31:36
she's made for me and are interested in her services.
31:40
So we're gonna have a dinner party where they can sample a
31:43
bunch of her different dishes that'll be on her menu.
31:46
And then they'll also leave with two pack like prepared meals so
31:51
that they'll know when you buy food from her, this is what
31:55
you'll get. You'll get a full ready to go
31:57
meal. Yeah.
31:59
Carb, protein side sauce. Like full thing.
32:04
Yeah, ready to go if you want. Like I'm just like, feed me.
32:09
Yeah, feed me. Like, don't show me the numbers.
32:13
Yeah, Yeah. Like, I feel great.
32:15
It tastes great. It's good.
32:16
But if you. Need if you need the macros.
32:19
If you need it. Exactly like she can work with
32:22
you for that. So you'll come taste food and
32:25
like full, full dinner party Yeah and then leave with food
32:28
also. Yeah and I'm so we just started
32:31
planning it yesterday not to be. I already have an invitation
32:34
drafted up and invite list like daytime.
32:38
I mean. Yeah, absolutely.
32:40
I love a party. Like there was a time.
32:43
I'm really good at hosting them too.
32:45
Like I love the logistics of it. Because you tell us exactly what
32:49
you need. And that's like as guess I, I
32:51
remember we did one movie night where we all had to bring
32:55
something I think we made or something like that.
32:57
And you were like, well, somebody's are.
32:59
I was like, I'm gonna bring drinks.
33:00
And you're like, Nope, somebody's already brought
33:02
those. You're gonna bring this.
33:02
And I was like, that's so helpful.
33:04
And I was like, but So what kind of thing does it have to be?
33:07
Up to you, but it has to be in this category.
33:09
And then like that. And these are the allergies,
33:11
like whatever to pay attention to.
33:12
I was like, that is so helpful. Like we're friends and like,
33:15
some people would probably. I mean, that's like what we need
33:18
in that communication of like, this is like, it's gonna be
33:20
great. And also pull your weight.
33:22
Yeah, do your thing and like, it's gonna be great.
33:25
And it was, you know, so I loved that.
33:28
And I remember thinking about that and I was like, that's
33:30
she's so on it. In another part of my life, I've
33:35
dreamed of being an event planner and event coordinator
33:39
and really to have my own event space that I oversee and, like,
33:45
manage everything to do with. Yeah.
33:47
And that may still happen someday in the future, but that
33:50
part of me comes into play in everything that I do.
33:55
Yeah. So yeah, I think that is
33:56
definitely where I'm shining in the podcasting project is is the
34:02
logistics planning the day, planning the guests, thinking
34:06
about like, OK, what do we need to have with us?
34:08
What's our checklist for going? Yeah, what can we do without?
34:13
What do we absolutely need? What's like a bonus item, right?
34:17
How much time are we going to need?
34:18
How much time do we have? Weather.
34:20
Yeah. Weather conditions plan you can
34:22
plan for but not really sure. Like I'm glad we have the sun
34:26
too, but we were kind of worried it was going to be cold.
34:28
Like really? I stopped.
34:29
And bought an extra sweater because I was a little bit.
34:32
Unprepared. That was great.
34:33
Like I wasn't thinking of those things, you know?
34:35
And so it was like, which I mean, first of all, if it were
34:37
like a long hike or real hike you always want to think of.
34:40
But yeah, yeah. I mean, that's so cool.
34:43
I see that like that role within the podcast, the strategy of it,
34:46
the like also figuring out like cadence.
34:48
I imagine of like, OK, well, last time we had somebody on who
34:51
talked about this kind of stuff and like this time maybe we'll
34:54
like venture into this. For me, I like, am I like giving
34:58
good content? Like am I is this helpful?
35:00
Like what you know, whatever. Like are we, you know, we have,
35:03
do we have, do we want to get to my moment of that so worth.
35:05
It we'll we'll we'll transition now we'll.
35:09
Transition now to can I like my preface question was going to be
35:12
like, what do you do? Because you always have a
35:14
vision, right? Like and you adapt, you adapt
35:17
and that's like the thing you have more or less like you have
35:19
an idea of what you want to get to like to summit, right?
35:22
Yeah, Like what the view might be like, right.
35:24
Yeah, yeah. And so it's kind of like when
35:28
you do, you help steer, like, are you?
35:31
Yeah. Like I can feel it a little bit
35:33
like, you know, how do you make sure you get that?
35:35
Yeah, definitely in the like listening and being semi aware
35:42
of time and with some people like we have more of a time
35:47
limit. With some we're just kind of
35:49
like rolling with. I mean, we want our time also
35:52
like for the product when we post it like people, but also
35:57
like some people are into 45 minute podcast, some people are
36:00
into three hours. So I think wherever we land,
36:04
somebody's going to listen. Yeah.
36:06
But yeah, we will. We do work on like, OK, bring it
36:10
back, circle back around or like, OK, here's a good pivot
36:14
point, something that you said is triggering like, OK, now
36:17
let's move on to this section or with our structure, like
36:21
essentially once we get to our summit and we sit down, that's
36:24
where we want to start diving into like what is your
36:27
background? Where do you come from?
36:29
And and then to our summit question of like, why are we
36:34
here today? So yeah, we, we, we guide, we
36:38
direct and just kind of like go with the flow.
36:41
And it's just I see how. Things end up it's been great so
36:44
far, like watching those last two have been.
36:47
It's like it seems so natural and I am but now being part of
36:50
the process a little bit, I'm like, oh, there wasn't like much
36:53
like you didn't tell me. I need to say this exactly
36:55
right. Like I thought there was
36:56
actually give me more structure and and I'm glad and like you
37:00
have it though, you know, like you have the structure.
37:02
Not to say that it's unstructured, just that like
37:04
there were potential questions, right?
37:06
And I and I'm actually feeling more relaxed now that there
37:09
aren't those, right? Because I had written down, I'm
37:11
sure I should say this or whatever, but you get like real.
37:14
We want to be unscripted and structured enough so that
37:19
there's so that it's replicable so that like people know what
37:23
they're getting into when they TuneIn to listen to us, that
37:26
it's not just like a total free for all of nonsense of like
37:31
value. We have valuable conversations,
37:34
but we want there to be some through line of consistency of
37:39
like, OK, every episode they're doing this, this and this and
37:42
they may tangent around and Heather and I have lots of
37:45
conversations around our tangents and where we go and how
37:49
do we get back. And I'm we're both good at it.
37:53
I think bringing us back to like, OK, let's get back on
37:58
track to this subject. Yes.
37:59
And fortunately, so far everybody that we've
38:03
interviewed, we know a little bit about their background.
38:08
And so we can guide to, OK, let's get back to this thing
38:13
that we know that there's value in.
38:16
But I'm really looking forward to the days when, excuse me,
38:20
when we don't know the person personally and we're just like
38:26
learning as we go. Yeah.
38:28
Oh, I can't wait. To hear that.
38:30
And like to see you guys. I just like, I know that this is
38:33
going to be, I love tuning in and I feel like, yeah, there is
38:37
going to be a time where somebody just reaches out to you
38:39
probably. I hope so.
38:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if that hasn't happened
38:42
already, yeah. There's before we get into yours
38:46
because talking about future helping people reach out.
38:50
When my episode comes out, I share a story that obviously it
38:57
was an impactful outdoor experience, completely changed
38:59
my life. And there were other people
39:03
present at that event that I was not connected to.
39:07
OK. And I have, I have a hope that
39:13
when my episode comes out someday, somehow those other
39:18
people who were there, oh, how will hear it.
39:22
We'll somehow find the episode and we'll hear it and we'll say,
39:27
Oh my God, I that's my story too.
39:30
I was there. And they'll reach out and
39:33
they'll want to come and tell their side.
39:36
Of the story, I love that. Like it gives me chills to even
39:39
think about that that could happen, but like.
39:43
It was such an experience. Same thing, different
39:46
perspective. Cool.
39:47
Yeah. And some of those people may,
39:51
like, I was 13 when it happened. Most of them.
39:55
Some were older, some were younger.
39:57
Yeah. And some were like way more
39:59
involved than I was. I was kind of on the peripheral.
40:02
But it still completely changed my life.
40:03
So it had to have completely changed their lives like so I
40:07
really like. That is my hope that there will
40:10
be people who find these episodes and have a shared, a
40:16
literal shared experience, yeah, shared connection with the story
40:21
and will wanna come on and tell their side.
40:23
That is so cool. It's gonna happen.
40:25
You're the ultimate manifesto. You're the one who, like, we had
40:29
a car, We had a long drive at one point to bend.
40:32
And you introduced me to like, the thought of manifesting it
40:36
did say more. OK, Say more.
40:38
You. It was you.
40:39
You were like, you were like, I'm really trying.
40:41
Like I'm in a place in my life where I'm trying to like
40:44
genuinely bring in the good things that I want to see in my
40:50
life. And you're like manifesting.
40:52
And you just kept saying I was like, I don't really know.
40:53
This is some hippie shit. I don't, I grew up in actually,
40:56
I should know this, but I don't know.
40:58
And you're like, no, no, no, it's like, it's literally just
41:00
like law of attraction and like bringing and, you know, trying
41:04
to, I can't say it as eloquently as you did, but you were like
41:07
driving and telling me like this is the kind of when I have a
41:10
goal or I have a vision of something I want to do or have
41:13
in my life, I think about it. I incorporate that thought into
41:17
my life. I, I, I breathe life into that.
41:20
And then I don't work too hard at it because it, it, if it's
41:25
meant to be, it'll come right. And like I was kind of, I was
41:28
like, that's a really like, it's kind of cool.
41:30
Like as an idea because you do have to work at it but it's like
41:33
sub work. Yeah.
41:35
It's like, it's like multitasking.
41:37
It's like you could like do it, but it's like on, on, you know,
41:40
on like sleep mode. And then it could come to you,
41:44
you know. And so of course, as I read more
41:46
into it and looked into like the idea of like setting things in
41:49
motion so that things happen without just reaching and
41:52
grabbing that outcome you want, that's when I understood what
41:55
you were talking about. But it was my introduction to
41:58
it. Cool.
41:58
I love that. And you've truly done that.
42:01
Yeah. I mean, you've literally done
42:02
that. And then you helped me do that,
42:04
right, Without me doing it for for so long.
42:07
But like from telling me like you know, go like park on
42:12
someones door and all in this thing, this is how you do it.
42:14
And assume that they're gonna be happy to see you.
42:16
Yes, and and, and you did, because I was probably I had
42:18
brought up probably, I don't remember, but like, but what if
42:21
they, but what if they do this boy and you're just like, they
42:24
might, but they also may be like cool.
42:27
And then that's what I was having the realization that
42:30
people actually want renewable energy mixes and people like
42:32
what? A lot of people want that and
42:35
you just ask or you just put it out there, right.
42:40
So, so that was you. Cool.
42:42
Yeah, a lot of you. But anyway, that's so cool.
42:45
It's really awesome to get reminders of.
42:49
That you were you. That I've been me all this time.
42:52
Yeah, absolutely. And that I've been doing the
42:54
work that I've been doing all along the way.
42:57
And you've been, you've been inspiring others.
42:59
And I think that's something that hopefully you do know.
43:02
But like there's a reason that you keep bringing on people that
43:06
you're connected to. And if they're really fucking
43:08
awesome people, we fucking awesome people don't hang around
43:12
people who aren't fucking awesome.
43:13
Truth. So yeah, the whole like vibe
43:17
attack attracts your tribe kind of thing.
43:19
Yeah, absolutely. And I've weeded through I mean
43:21
I've had a lot of awesome people in my life that aren't still in
43:26
my life Yeah sure. And that doesn't make them any
43:29
less awesome. Yeah, it just like they came in,
43:32
they showed me something, they taught me something we like
43:34
learned and get gave and received from one another and
43:38
got what we needed essentially. And then?
43:41
OK, it's like a bunch of circles everywhere, right?
43:44
And then it's like, so at some point they're all intersecting,
43:47
but we all have our own little yeah circles and and we've
43:50
definitely stayed in the same ring.
43:53
But also like we've gone other places and we've gone years
43:57
without pretty much, but still make a point to like, hey, let's
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connect. Yeah, absolutely.
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And on deep things too, which I mean, I think is like our nature
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#1 and #2 it's like, yeah. So I think the part of our that
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aligns with you and I has always been that like that balance
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between like levity and and depth, but also ultimately at
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the core, we really, really want to find out who we are.
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Yeah, yeah. Deeply.
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And like we self actualization is my goal introspection and
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like, like we want to know for ourselves and for the benefit of
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others. We like want to figure ourselves
44:38
out. And I think what I've also
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learned is like from you, from my life experiences is like we
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can get, you can get too deep into it.
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And when you get too deep into it is when you get a little
44:51
stuck, right? And like, it can be, it can be
44:53
really dangerous. So it's like it's, I think, I
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think it's like there's, there's a beauty in, in figuring out who
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you are by letting yourself be. How deep was that?
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Yes, yeah, not forcing it, not pushing it, not trying too hard
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at anything, but like still. Try don't not put effort in, but
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and we're the most US exist, right?
45:21
Like I mean, I feel like that's probably true for us, for your
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other friends, for the people. The reason you're doing this
45:27
podcast and why I resonate with it so much is like anyone who
45:32
knows me really well will tell you that I am the most me and I
45:37
feel the most me and I am the most just like, yeah, I can't
45:42
even describe it. Not necessarily any specific
45:44
emotion, but I am so human and and Christy and and a person
45:51
living and breathing when I'm out here, right?
45:54
And like, so I think that's the beauty too, of like to bring it
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back to this community and why I'm excited to be part of it.
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And like grateful is sometimes you can feel really alone when
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you aren't with people who feel that way.
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Who just want to be inside. Inside or connected all the
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time, right. And I got into spirals of that
46:16
because that was like. Connected to technology.
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Technology, yes, that's what I mean.
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Thank you. Because this is we're connected.
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Connected like literally like, you know, all the time.
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And I definitely have fallen into patterns of that and I've
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made an active effort to pull away.
46:30
And really the last couple, a nice Raven is coming by.
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Hey buddy. And and so yeah, but I'm, I'm
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definitely the most calm, the most like the best self, to put
46:45
it as cliche as possible. Centered, grounded, relaxed,
46:49
joyful, at ease, probably have the best like cadence in your
46:55
breath. Probably.
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I'm actually breathing, yeah, yeah.
46:58
Which is rare for me so. Yeah, yeah, They say that breath
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happens naturally and we don't have to think about it.
47:05
But boy do I have to think about it.
47:07
I've actually. Thought of doing breath work,
47:10
you know, I need to just do that and I need to do therapy and
47:14
breath work, but I I need to breathe more and I need to learn
47:17
how. Same.
47:18
Yeah, relearn, I should say, right.
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Because as as babies, right, we, we, we, we, we pretty hard.
47:25
Yeah, pretty hard. A lot of what we're.
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Doing is just breathing. We're just breathing and we're
47:30
screaming and doing all those things, but we are
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diaphragmatically breathing in theatre.
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That was something I always struggled with.
47:38
So I'm, I'm not, I'm a chest breathe.
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Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
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