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Man murders wife, posts video telling kids it's mom's fault for cheating · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bizarre video leads to
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  Speaker 1: a surprising turn of events. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I'm recording this because I want my daughter to know.
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  Speaker 1: But I love you, Kensee Pascal. I'm so sorry that
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  Speaker 1: I've done this. I want you to know that you
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  Speaker 1: mean everything to me and William I love you too.
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  Speaker 1: I love you so much. I love you like your mom.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't choose this. Your mom chose this. She's been
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  Speaker 1: cheating on me for a long time. I have audio
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  Speaker 1: of her talking to other guys. I didn't do nothing
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  Speaker 1: wrong to her. When we first got together. I told her,
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  Speaker 1: you're too young for me. There's an eighteen year old
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  Speaker 1: difference in her age, and I knew she was kind
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  Speaker 1: of too young, but I didn't. She's been playing me
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  Speaker 1: for a fall. I told her not to mess with me,
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  Speaker 1: not to mess with my emotions, don't play with me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, right off the bat, I'm concerned because he's
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  Speaker 1: saying it's all her fault. So where is she and
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  Speaker 1: what is the meaning of this video? Why do grown
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  Speaker 1: adults feel they have to share all their sex problems,
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  Speaker 1: their adultery, their issues with their children. Is that necessary? Guys,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to more of this guy unloading. I
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  Speaker 1: got an audio where she was calling a guy yesterday
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  Speaker 1: on her way to get her eyelashes done, and she
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  Speaker 1: said hey, baby, and he goes hey, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not my voice. Why is she calling somebody else baby?
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  Speaker 1: Then she started talking about a dream and everything, and
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  Speaker 1: she had with them too, about sex and everything. I'll
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  Speaker 1: put everything into this relationship. I have done nothing to
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  Speaker 1: your mom. I've never hit her, I've never heard her,
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  Speaker 1: I've never called her names. A couple of times when
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  Speaker 1: I got really mad, I would I would say a
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  Speaker 1: bad word or something. But I've done everything I can.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like, why me, My
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  Speaker 1: hair's a mask and I look horrible. Oh sorry, take
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  Speaker 1: these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I love you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Please do something good with your life. Okay? Number one
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  Speaker 1: mean thanks? Thou dost protest too much. I can't claim
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  Speaker 1: that that was Shakespeare. If you haven't done anything wrong,
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  Speaker 1: then why are you saying I haven't done anything wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Right there? I think you've done something wrong. Let me
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  Speaker 1: introduce an all star panel to break it down and
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  Speaker 1: put it back together again. I bet they've got a mouthful.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley
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  Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Karen start renowned New York psychologist joining
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  Speaker 1: us from Manhattan. You can find her at Karen Stark
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  Speaker 1: dot com. That's Karen with a c. Former police chief
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  Speaker 1: John's Creek twenty five years on the fours now PI
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  Speaker 1: and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Former chief medical examiner for the entire state of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: I put him on the stand many many times, and
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  Speaker 1: only now do I cross examine him for a medical examiner,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, but first to lead a news anchor
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  Speaker 1: for Orlando Morning News w DBO Ray Kiputo, let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you a few very narrow questions, Ray, who is
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  Speaker 1: this person speaking. His name is Trent Pascal Nancy's He's
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  Speaker 1: a forty eight year old. He lives in Lamark, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: which is a suburb of Houston, you know, really close
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  Speaker 1: to Galaviston in the Gulf Coast. He's a father, he
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  Speaker 1: was married, he had a couple of young kids, and
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  Speaker 1: I believe he's a YouTube creator. Yeah, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: YouTube creator. Are you saying he created YouTube like Al
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  Speaker 1: Gore created the Internet? No, Nancy, it's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: term to people that create YouTube contact. You mean a
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  Speaker 1: YouTube er. It's that the same thing, because my son's
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  Speaker 1: always running in and going mom, mom, So and so
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  Speaker 1: makes forty eight million dollars a year as a YouTube er.
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  Speaker 1: Am I okay, Well they did not teach me that
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  Speaker 1: at law skills though, Sadie, you're gonna have to live
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  Speaker 1: off with your father and I make so okay, he's
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  Speaker 1: a YouTuber. So that was my next question. You read
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  Speaker 1: my mind, Ray Kaputo w DBO. So he's posting these videos,
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  Speaker 1: they're not just audios on YouTube? Is that where we're
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  Speaker 1: finding them on YouTube? Yes, ma'am right, on YouTube where
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  Speaker 1: anybody can access them, not only kids, but anybody around
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  Speaker 1: the world can see this. Oh okay, So you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: this guy, Trent Pascal father husband ranting. It's not really ranting,
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  Speaker 1: would you say ranting? He's more like and I keep
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  Speaker 1: notice he's saying why me, why me? And another thing
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  Speaker 1: to you, Karen start he says, I never hit her?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the litmus test? So if you don't beat
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  Speaker 1: your wife, then you're a great husband. There's something this
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  Speaker 1: guy is definitely a psychopath. To listen to him. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the start you think everybody's either
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  Speaker 1: a sex pervert, which is probably true, or I'm very
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  Speaker 1: suspicious of Jackie and Brett here in the studio, but
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, or you think they're a psychopath. You
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  Speaker 1: need to tell me what your definition of psychopath is,
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  Speaker 1: Karen start, because very often you and I have very
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  Speaker 1: different ideas about what you're talking about. What's a psychopath
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  Speaker 1: in the mind of Karen Stark, And granted you're the shrink,
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  Speaker 1: not me, go ahead. So he's somebody who doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: care about other people. He's not authentic, you could tell,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, in order to be able to kill somebody, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: or harm somebody or even I mean there's something wrong
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  Speaker 1: than you're even talking about hitting a woman, right. But
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of him talking about I'm really sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I really am so sorry I did this, he starts
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  Speaker 1: talking about how he looks. Oh, I'm all messed up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't look. Then he's crying, but then he sounds well,
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  Speaker 1: I can hear you. You said he talks about how
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  Speaker 1: he looks. Is that what you said yes, but it's
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  Speaker 1: here is not okay? That he doesn't look all right
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  Speaker 1: on the mess. And there's just he doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: regard for human life. Now, I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: are interpreting he has no regard for human life because
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  Speaker 1: he says I look like a mess. Because I say
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  Speaker 1: that pretty much every time I remember to look in
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  Speaker 1: a mirror. I'm like, ah, so I think I have
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  Speaker 1: regard for human life. But I hear you the litmus test.
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  Speaker 1: Litmus test is I didn't ever hit her, so that
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  Speaker 1: a good marriage doesn't make And I got another question
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  Speaker 1: for you, Chief Buyers with me Chris Buyer's former police
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  Speaker 1: chief John's Creek Now Chris Buyer's investigation said polygraph dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's a mouthful, Chris. So we're gonna have to kind
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  Speaker 1: of work on your website because I just can't say
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  Speaker 1: that every single time, you know, I talking sal bikes. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: question you, what does he mean? I got an audio
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  Speaker 1: I got hey, can we hear hey one more time? Listen?
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  Speaker 1: Listen to how he starts his whole thing off, Chief Buyers.
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  Speaker 1: I got an audio where she was calling a guy
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  Speaker 1: yesterday on her way to get her eyelashes done, and
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  Speaker 1: she said hey baby, and he goes hey, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, that's not my voice. Why is she calling
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  Speaker 1: somebody else baby? And she started talking about a dream
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  Speaker 1: and everything, and she had with them too, about sex
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  Speaker 1: and everything. I'll put everything into this relationship. I have
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  Speaker 1: done nothing to your mom. I've never hit her, I've
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  Speaker 1: never heard her, I've never called her names. A couple
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  Speaker 1: of times when I got really mad, I would, I
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  Speaker 1: would say a bad word or something. But I've done
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  Speaker 1: everything I can. I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: why me? My hears a mask and I look horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, take these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I
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  Speaker 1: love you so much. Please do something good with your life.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: some very bizarre YouTube postings by this guy last named Pascal,
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  Speaker 1: and he's talking about boo hoo. Did you hear him
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  Speaker 1: fake crying? He's going his voice kind of cracks, and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly he gets over that and he says, gee,
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  Speaker 1: I really look bad. But before that he's talking about
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  Speaker 1: how he hasn't hit his wife, he hasn't called her names.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley
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  Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com with two ts, Ashley, I really respect
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  Speaker 1: your CV and all your qualifications, but you're also a
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  Speaker 1: wife and mother of three, so I think you're going
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  Speaker 1: to understand what I'm about to say. So far, my
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  Speaker 1: husband has not called me a name that I know
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  Speaker 1: of anyway, not the B word, C word that I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there are a lot more words that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even thinking of yet to my face or behind my
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  Speaker 1: back that I know of. So is that the litmus test?
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  Speaker 1: You don't call your wife a B T H right too?
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  Speaker 1: You're facing you don't hit her? Somehow, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to explain something away. He is trying to
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  Speaker 1: explain something away. And he also says, I didn't choose this,
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  Speaker 1: your mom did. Are you kidding me? Even if you
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  Speaker 1: feel that way, there are lots of other options. Let
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  Speaker 1: me think about, Nancy. What's a good option if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to do that, I don't know. Counseling for one thing,
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  Speaker 1: counseling whatever. And whatever he's saying is that it's all
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  Speaker 1: her fault. Yet he's the one taking to YouTube, Um,
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  Speaker 1: take one more. Listen to this guy Pascal telling all
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Please do something really good because you deserve
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  Speaker 1: a good life. And I don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sorry. I don't have better words right now.
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  Speaker 1: I've already a true bad I don't know what else
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  Speaker 1: to do anymore. I didn't do nothing wrong to her.
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  Speaker 1: I provided what I could. I've done what I could
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  Speaker 1: for her. I've done nothing but good for her, and
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  Speaker 1: I've treated y'all good. I've done good things for y'all.
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  Speaker 1: And I just I don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 1: I love you, McKenzie. I love you so much. Do
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  Speaker 1: something good with your life. Make me proud. Okay. He's
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  Speaker 1: going on and on and on, and that's a sign
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  Speaker 1: that you should know to yourself when you say, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what else to say, but you keep talking
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  Speaker 1: as probably should be a red flag to you or
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  Speaker 1: to me. Just stop stop talking if possible, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Chief Buyers, I got off on a tangent about the
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  Speaker 1: B word and the C word and every other word.
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  Speaker 1: But did you know how did you notice how he
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  Speaker 1: started that last segment of his audio YouTube confessional. I
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  Speaker 1: got an audio sounds like he's listening to his wife's
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  Speaker 1: voice messages or has somehow bugged the home because it's
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  Speaker 1: his wife, he says, talking to a guy as she
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  Speaker 1: was on her way to get her eyelashes done whatever
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  Speaker 1: that means. And she's saying hey baby, and talking about
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  Speaker 1: a sex dream she had. Now this is according to him,
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  Speaker 1: So what does that mean? I got an audio? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds to me like my interpretation is that he
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  Speaker 1: has planted some type of recording device in her car
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  Speaker 1: in the home and is listening to her. Or again,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, it could be listening to her voicemails.
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  Speaker 1: But it definitely when I first heard that, it jumps
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  Speaker 1: out that he has got some type of bug by
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  Speaker 1: recording her conversations. You know what, chief fires. I remember
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  Speaker 1: the first time I ever actually saw one of those
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  Speaker 1: installed in a home. I mean I knew about them.
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  Speaker 1: I'd investigated them, cops had shown them to me once
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  Speaker 1: they were taken into evidence. But I went to an
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  Speaker 1: arson scene of a mansion of a really wealthy guy
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta that killed his wife, killed her, then he
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  Speaker 1: burned the house down to cover it up. And behind
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's the fridge was a big hank and
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  Speaker 1: recorder device, or he had been listening to her and
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  Speaker 1: all of her calls that she had been making for
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  Speaker 1: a long period of time. According devices, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: feel Karen Stark is step one and a marriage spiral
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  Speaker 1: or a relationship spiraling down. Because if you feel that
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  Speaker 1: you've got to record somebody or listen to their voicemails,
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  Speaker 1: you got a problem. You certainly do, Nancy, because how
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  Speaker 1: does that. It doesn't represent trust, It doesn't represent anything
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  Speaker 1: that we would think of as normal. Obviously somebody is
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  Speaker 1: suspicious and instead of being able to have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: discuss it, go for help, see a therapist in recording
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  Speaker 1: the other person, Karen Stark, are you telling me you've
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  Speaker 1: never listened to your husband's voicemail ever? Not even once? No,
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  Speaker 1: not unless you tell me wants me to hear something,
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  Speaker 1: Because I totally am just curious by nature. And I
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  Speaker 1: listened to David. My ears started blaming boring things I
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  Speaker 1: have ever heard. I've never made that mistake again, the
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  Speaker 1: same thing I haven't want to try to read. I
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  Speaker 1: thought I was going to pass out. It was the
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  Speaker 1: most boring set of emails I have ever read. I
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  Speaker 1: went through like eighty They were awful. I've never done
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  Speaker 1: it again. My fingers are hurt from touching the copp
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  Speaker 1: hear So you know the reality is Ashley Wilcot, judge,
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, court TV anchor. A lot of times people
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  Speaker 1: just get curious and they listen. But planning a recording
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  Speaker 1: device I think is one step further than that. Oh
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  Speaker 1: I would suggest it is too. And you know why
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  Speaker 1: someone might plant so, first of all, absolutely human curiosity.
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  Speaker 1: You might look at a text when it comes in
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  Speaker 1: because it happens to be in front of you, something
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  Speaker 1: like that. That's human nature. But why do you plant
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  Speaker 1: a recording device? Why because you do not trust that
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  Speaker 1: person and necessarily there's likely going to be a consequence
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  Speaker 1: to that. Now, most people, that consequence is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a confrontation, maybe an argument, maybe counseling, maybe ultimately divorced.
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  Speaker 1: That's where that would lead. Well, he left speed, nobody
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  Speaker 1: everybody had to get his YouTube's take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: this and Mom, I love you. You've been the angel
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  Speaker 1: through my whole life, taking care of me. You're there
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  Speaker 1: when I need you, You've always answered the phone for me.
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  Speaker 1: You've done everything. Sorry, I keep looking at the cameras.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much time I have, but I've
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  Speaker 1: never done anything like so. I don't know. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: I was going back. My mind is everywhere. I can't
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  Speaker 1: concentrate right now. I didn't anyways, Mom, I love you
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  Speaker 1: so much, or my angel, I love you. You mean
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  Speaker 1: everything to me and Dad. You've done a lot for
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  Speaker 1: me too, and you've taken care of me. You raised
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  Speaker 1: me good, You've done whatever you could. Thank you. I appreciate.
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  Speaker 1: I love you so much. You've loved me like your
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  Speaker 1: own Okay, fam Ling, fm Ling Famling. Ray Kaputo, lead
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  Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando's morning News w DBO. Have you looked
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  Speaker 1: at these YouTube videos because I have. He's not crying,
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  Speaker 1: he's going but I don't see any tears coming from
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  Speaker 1: his eyes. Does that I'll have to go to the
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  Speaker 1: shrink and I'll have to go to the shrink and
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  Speaker 1: the Emmy on this Is that possible, Nancy? I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I noticed, the same thing. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: looks like he's pretending to cry. I don't see one,
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  Speaker 1: you know, tears shut from his eyes. And then also
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  Speaker 1: how quickly he snaps back to almost like this this cool,
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  Speaker 1: common collected position where he's pretending to be upset, but
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  Speaker 1: you know it looks like a farce to me. Time
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a guy
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  Speaker 1: who takes to the airwaves and leaves all these quasi
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  Speaker 1: tearful messages about how he didn't hit his wife, how
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  Speaker 1: she cheated on him, how he got an audio of
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  Speaker 1: her talking to a boyfriend and then telling his mom
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  Speaker 1: what all she did for him in life, and how
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  Speaker 1: grateful he is. And he sounds like he's trying to cry,
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  Speaker 1: but we've all noticed he's actually not crying. Doctor Chris Sperry,
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  Speaker 1: the former chief medical Examiner for the entire state of Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: very well known. Chris. I've had you on the stand
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  Speaker 1: many many times, and I don't know if this ever
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  Speaker 1: happened while you were there, but I would just love
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  Speaker 1: it when, obviously, if you're on the stand, that means
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  Speaker 1: there's been a murder at least one dead body of
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  Speaker 1: not more. When the defendant would start crying and I
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  Speaker 1: would just stop everything and go, why are you shaking,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Sperry? Is he's shaking and pretending to be crying
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  Speaker 1: over there because I don't see any tears. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this guy goes on and on and on going sniveling,
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  Speaker 1: but there are no tears. Is that physically possible that
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  Speaker 1: you can cry with no tears? Is that even crying? No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. It's fake. Fake, It's all fake. So which
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  Speaker 1: leads me to the next question, why fake it? I
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  Speaker 1: think we're about to find out. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Robert Arnold KPRC two. Trent ambushed them and started shooting.
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  Speaker 1: He was told to leave their house by police, but
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  Speaker 1: never did. He hit and waited behind a shower curtain.
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  Speaker 1: Savannah's mom tustled with him and tried to fight him off,
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  Speaker 1: but it was too late. She called me and said
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  Speaker 1: that there had been gunfire and my wife was there
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  Speaker 1: when it happened, and we believe he took a shot
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  Speaker 1: at her and thank god he missed, but he shot
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  Speaker 1: our daughter and left the scene. She heard the gunshots
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  Speaker 1: as she was going for help. She heard our daughter's
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  Speaker 1: last scream and that it's hard to take. You are hearing,
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  Speaker 1: Katie r k ABC thirteen. You are hearing that either
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  Speaker 1: before or after these videos emerge on YouTube. Pascal allegedly
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  Speaker 1: ambushes his wife's Savannah, the one he's been talking about
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  Speaker 1: how this is all her fault and her mom police
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  Speaker 1: tell him to leave the residence, but he doesn't. He
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  Speaker 1: hides behind a shower curtain. Savannah, his wife's mother, tried
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  Speaker 1: to fight Pascal off, didn't work. He took a shot,
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  Speaker 1: apparently at the mother in law. The mother hears her
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  Speaker 1: daughter's last scream take a listen now to KPRC to
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  Speaker 1: Houston and A rest warrant filed in this case reads,
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  Speaker 1: Trent Pascal hid in the master bathroom shower and ambushed
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  Speaker 1: his wife and her mother. He is now formally facing
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  Speaker 1: murder charges. We've been praying every day, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: we're praying people and we're praying for their family. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Donald Riddick lives just across the street from Trent in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Savannah Pascal his children played with their children. Man, it's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it's just a big surprise that to me. Riddick says.
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  Speaker 1: He and his wife never saw the couple arguing, that
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  Speaker 1: is until the morning of October twenty first. After the argument,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Trent left and Savannah had went to the neighbor's house
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to ask for help, court documents read. Later in the morning,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Savannah and her mother returned home. Trent was hiding in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the bathroom and ambushed the pair investigator's right. Savannah was
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: shot twice in the stomach. Her mother was able to escape,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: joining me. Ray kiputerlad news anchor Orlando's Morning News WDBO.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Suddenly what was almost laughable as taking a sinister, deadly
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and tragic turn. The wife he has been blaming in
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: all of his YouTube videos is dead. According to police,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: this guy hid from his owne to ambush her in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the shower. Who does that? To ry cofete? Right, tell
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: me the sequence of events as we know them, well, Nancy.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: First off, this isn't a couple that had a stormy relationship,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: at least on the surface. I mean their social media
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: everything shows that they seem to be in a stable relationship,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and neighbors that they said they didn't even see the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: couple fight until all this unfolded on Wednesday, where they
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: have this falling out and then Savannah she runs to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the neighbor's house for help, and I think at that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: point Trent ends up leaving. They had had a falling out.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Savannah and Trent have this falling out before all of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: this happens, and I believe this is right after, right
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: before the video is made. But they have a fight
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and she ends up running to the neighbor's house. Okay,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and she's obviously afraid of Trent enough at this point
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to bring other people in. And she runs to the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: neighbor's house, and then at some point her mom catches
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: up with her and they leave to go check on
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the kids at school. Okay, So they actually leave the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: house and no one's at the house, and at that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: point it's believed that Trent comes back and actually hides
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  Speaker 1: in the bedroom. Okay, Wow, why did they go check
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: on the children at school? Well, we don't know that yet,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm assuming in that fight that it was a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: pretty you know, giving what we know happened after, I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: believe that it was a pretty you know, a pretty
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: threatening fight where I would assume that there was some
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: threats to me towards the kid, or something happened where
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: maybe Savannah thought that the kids would be in harm's way.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Hold it. You know what's unusual, Karen start with me
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: joining me from Manhattan psychologist Karen. Sometimes, when upsetting things happen,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I will drop everything I'm doing and go check on
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the children at school. It may not even be related
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to the children, but I go just sometimes if I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: discover there's been a fire in their area where their
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: school is, or I hear silence, or there's a tornado watch,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: or just just something happens. I go check on them.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I don't pull them out of class. I just go
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: by the school to make sure everything's okay. So is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that like a gut reaction it gets? It's totally instinctive, Nanta.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I mean you're a mom. It's maternal. I think about
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: moms with their kids, and you could be in the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: woods and all of a sudden you'll start thinking to gee,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: what if there's a tick. And even though it's why
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they're fine, they're running around you, let me check them
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: for a second. Because you're constantly thinking about are my
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: children okay? It's laboring, it's a part of us. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: think it may also have something to do with our
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: line of business. Chief Buyers, you have children, right, Yes,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I do too. I sometimes think that in our line
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of business, when we realize not only does crime happen
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: all around us, but it can and will happen to you.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Once you get that in your head, you're always worried
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: about your children. Yeah. Absolutely, this line of work, you're
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: always worst case scenarioing when they're coming home late than this.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Perfew my kids the jurisdiction that I was the chief him.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Both of their schools were in that jurisdiction, and every
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: day I would go out for lunch and I would
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: just ride by their schools. Like you said, look at
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the It's not just me. Did you hear that, Jackie?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I can see him laughing into your fist. The other day,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: for some reason, my husband and I happened to be
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: at the house at lunchtime. I'm like, let's go drive
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: by the school. See what's happening, because of course they
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: eat outside because of COVID And he was why. He's like, why,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like to see if we can spot him for
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Pete's sake. He said, They're just gonna be sitting there eating.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, it's a perfect chance to see them, absolutely,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: because are you gonna talk to him? Like, no, I'm
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: not gonna talk to him, just gonna look at him.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He didn't get it. I don't understand that. What's wrong
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: with him? Chief? I know. I've been a couple of
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: times where've texted my wife to ask what color shirt
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: my daughter had on. Because I would sit down and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: look at the playground and see if I could spot
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: or thank you, thank you, And can I tell you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: just one other little secret since he was not did
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: not authorize me to tell this. My executive producer on
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Oxygen found out his son was being bullied at school.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. He went and stood
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in the woods. Now this is a very well known
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Hollywood producer. He went and stood in the woods, like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: thirty forty feet beyond the playground to see if he
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: could figure out which kid was bullying his son. My
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: point is, I find it really interesting that she has
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: an argument with her husband and the first thing she
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: does is grab her mom and they go check on
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the children. And I wonder what led her to do that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace we're finding out right now.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: We are talking about the death of a beautiful young woman,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Savannah Pascal, just thirty years old. And you hear this
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: husband posting to YouTube how he and you all along
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: she was younger than him and this is all her fault.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Ray Kaputa, did he post these
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: YouTube videos before or after he shoots her in the shower?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Well we don't know that yet, but my suspicion, Nancy,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: is this video was posted right before all this happened,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: because at the very end of it, you say, him
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: kind of becomes startled that maybe somebody has come home
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and appears to be at a house. So my assumption
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is that he films this video and it's cut short
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: when Savannah and her mom Shirley, get back to the house,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and just before he takes Aima, both of them ask
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you will kite. You know where I'm going with that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: he posted these before he shot his wife. You know
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: what that means? Premeditation? Absolutely? Can you imagine he posted it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Let's all think about that. He posted it before he
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: shot his wife. So not only was it premeditated, it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was so absolute in his mind that he was going
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to do it that he could actually talk on a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: video to tell everybody he was going to do it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Out of the beloe. You know, this whole thing spreads
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: like wildfire. Take a listen to our friends. Akhou eleven.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Trent couldn't be located for several hours, but Lamarck Police
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Department in Harris County Sheriff Deputies were able to track
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: down his vehicle. They found him parked here at this
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Walmart and I forty five North and West Road. That
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: suspect was spotted along with another gentleman in a different
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: car that was driven back towards a vehicle that we
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: were initially searching for Deputies. They ordered the vehicle to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: stop and ask the suspect and its friend to step
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: out of the vehicle. He produced a handgun from underneath
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: his shirt and had it in his hand was a revolver.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Deputies and a specifically a patrol sergeant ordered him to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: drop the weapon. He did not comply with his orders,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and he was shot. Trent was transported to Memorial Herman,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: where investigators say he's in critical condition. Now listen to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: what she is saying to you, Chief Buyers. Have you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: ever been in a situation where you order someone to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: drop their weapon and they don't do it. Yeah? Absolutely,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And you know it's at the end of the same
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: type of situation where it was a female traffic stop,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: at the end of a pursuit, and luckily and the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: instances I was in, ultimately they did drop it. But yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you're not going to give him a lot of time.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You tell him to drop it, them not dropping it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: is enough to go ahead and fire. I think that's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: an overt act when they refused to drop their weapon
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: because they can pull it and shoot you and one second, yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you can bet you're the one that ends up dead
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: if you pause. So the cops in this situation are
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: in a very, very tough position. They think this guy's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: already shot his wife dead in the shower. They think
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: he's shot at his mother in law. Now he's on
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the lamb and he's got a gun and he won't
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: drop the weapon. Take a listen to our friends at
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: KPRC to Houston. Played Wednesday, neighbors began sharing this YouTube
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: video of Trent claiming infidelity in the marriage was the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: source of his torment. For the end of the video,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Trent appears to try to hide as someone approaches the home.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Riddick believes the video was made just before the shooting.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: In box at the part when Trent tells two children
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: he loves them and he's sorry. Can't believe he would
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: leave something like that, telling his kids how he loved them.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: How can you love your kids if you're gonna kill
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: their mama. Neighbors and friends have been steadily arriving at
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the home to place flowers and gifts for the couple's children.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Trent Pascal was eventually caught by a Harris County Sherriff's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: deputy and shot when he refused to put down a gun.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: He is expected to survive his injuries. No, I'm very
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: curious at the way in his audio he kept saying,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: why is this happening to me? Why me? What is that?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Karen start is so NARCISSI Well again, I'm just a JD.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You're the shrink. But I do know about narcissism. Everything
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: is about him, That's right, Nancy. It's totally narcissistic and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: self pitying. It's all about I don't look good I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: had this done to me. I would never have done anything,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but look what happened, never taking a responsibility, and of
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: course going to such a dangerous, horrific extent because he
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: feels he's been wrong. So yes, narcissistant completely, you know too,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Sperry. The injuries his wife sustained Savannah Pascal,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: how long do you think it took for her to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: actually pass away? Well, she had two gunshot wounds of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the abdomen, and she at least survived long enough to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: get to the hospital, So it probably injured organs like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: liver kidneys, things that would bleed steadily, but not so
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: fast that it would be immediately life threatening, like the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: A order or very large blood vessels. And she very
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: easily could have been alive for anywhere from thirty to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: sixty minutes and died during surgery or shortly after surgery.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So she was alive and conscious for a long period
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: of time, so she knew what had happened to her,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and she was facing the possibility she would die, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: she did die. Yes, I think she knew exactly what
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: had happened and was aware of being shots and this
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: being life threatening, and she she was. She was aware
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of what was going on up until the time that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: she finally would have lost consciousness or have been put
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: under anesthesia for surgery. You know, Karen Stark, I remember
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that beautiful baby shower you threw from me in New York.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Remember that? And then after the twins were born so premature,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and we found out my lungs were full of blood clots,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: everything well almost everything went wrong, but a lot went
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: wrong in the emergency birth, Karen, do you remember after that,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I would have those dreams that I would be separated
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: from the children. That was the worst thing that I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: could imagine was passing on because all those ailments connected
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: to childbirth and them and being apart from them and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: not being there to raise them. Can you imagine this mother,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: She was so worried after their argument, she raced to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the school to check on the children, and then there
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: seems to be about an hour where she contemplates bleeding
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: out and die, and then she does die. She was
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: faced was the worst possibility here in Stark. And I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: remember everything, every part of what happens to met. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: just think of it, and I get so upset being
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: in touch with David trying to find out if you
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: were okay. And of course I remember those dreams because
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that's the worst thing that could happen to any parents,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: is to lose their child. It's a constant fair and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you hear about it. You hear about people saying, I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: can't die now. I have to be there for my child.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I have to make sure that I raised them. So
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I can just imagine I think we all could, how
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: horrific this was. Form Guys, take a listen to this.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: There's going to Sheriff's office that says them. He suspect
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: is in critical condition at the hospital but is stable.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: We are told he threatened deputies with a gun when
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: they tried to arrest him. That's when he was the shot.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Officers had been looking for Trent Pascal all day long,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and no officers were hurt in that encounter. It happened
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: around seven forty five this evening in the Walmut parking
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: lot on the North Freeway and West Road. Harris County
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's deputies had been helping Lamark police look for forty
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: eight year old Trent Pascal ever since. Lamark Police identified
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: him as the suspect and the murder of his estranged
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: wife this afternoon. That happened just before one o'clock on
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Hawk's View Lane. Police there and Lamarck accused him of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: shooting and killing his estranged wife, Savannah Pascal. He had
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: been on the run ever since. So he lives, she dies,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, Chris Buyers, it's amazing to me that
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: he lived. You know, when we see it in a movie,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: sometimes you go just shoot him in the knee, shot him.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: It's not that easy to shoot somebody and not kill them,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but the cops managed to do it. Yeah, we're we're
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: trying to shoot centermath. That's where you're shooting at. So
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: if you're hitting somebody in the leg or the knee,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: those are just bad shots. That's not where we're trying
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to shoot. Law enforcement's train to shoot for the biggest
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: part of the body because we're having to think about
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the backdrop. We're having to think of where that bullet's
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: going to go when it misses. So when you start
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to talk about shooting somebody, yeah, in an arm, it's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: just it's it's ridiculous, you know, having had to train
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: every six months at the DA's office at the firing range,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it's not as easy as it looks. By the way,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was there a red flag? Just before her death, Savannah
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: had posted on Facebook about donations for domestic violence victims
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and she as murdered by her husband. To you, right,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Kiputo w Dbo, where's the case stand right now? Well,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: right now, Trent is in critical condition in the hospital.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And when he gets out, and I honestly, Nancy, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: hope he pulls through because I got a feeling he
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to die suicide by tops, So I hope he
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: pulls through because you're going to face a murder charge
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and in Texas they have the death penalty. We wait
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,