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- 0:00Breakfix's History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part
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- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.
- 0:16Auto Racing Superstitions and Bizarre Events by Alan Eiselhardt.
- 0:21Superstitions, both good and evil, common and rare, affect all classes of people
- 0:25and their place in life and have been passed along generation after generation.
- 0:29Auto racing, from its very beginning, is not immune from superstitions, many
- 0:33of which can be described as bizarre and are present in today's auto racing world.
- 0:37Alan Eiselhard is a retired mechanical designer of test equipment for Eastman
- 0:41Kodak Company and has enjoyed the automobile world in several capacities.
- 0:45He is a big super modified race fan, collector of British sports cars,
- 0:50Serious but non professional race photographer, past crew member on an
- 0:53SCCA race team, race memorabilia and petroliana collector, retired road
- 0:58rallyist, and a supporter of the IMRRC.
- 1:01Kind of an interesting one.
- 1:03Auto racing superstitions and bizarre events.
- 1:05Alan Isselhard, your program.
- 1:07Just take it away.
- 1:09Good morning, everyone.
- 1:10I'm going to be talking about superstitions, bizarre events, good
- 1:14and bad luck, and some rituals.
- 1:17And I'd like to begin by sharing a brief dictionary definition
- 1:20of the word superstition.
- 1:21Superstition, per Webster Dictionary.
- 1:24Beliefs or practices resulting from ignorance, fear of the
- 1:28unknown, trust in magic, or chance.
- 1:31Now if I were to go around the room and ask everyone in the room to tell me
- 1:36what racing superstition they hear most often, and I guess it's Green race cars,
- 1:41or possibly it could be the number 13.
- 1:45You don't want number 13 on your race car.
- 1:47And the third choice is peanuts.
- 1:49And I, I wondered where did these superstitions develop?
- 1:53How did they happen?
- 1:55So I started to do a little bit of research on those three items.
- 1:59Racing's green superstition, I believe, may have started right here.
- 2:04In Central New York at the Syracuse Fairgrounds on the
- 2:07One Mile Dirt Oval Racetrack.
- 2:11On September 16, 1911, a huge crowd of spectators witnessed one of the worst
- 2:17auto racing accidents in American history.
- 2:20It occurred at the Syracuse Fairgrounds when 11 race fans were killed.
- 2:25And ten others were injured when driver Lee Oldfield, his green NAX
- 2:31race car, number 11, blew a tire during the race and careened into the Turn
- 2:372 infield and plowed through a light fence into a group of spectators.
- 2:42Oldfield was thrown from the car, but only received minor injuries.
- 2:46Oldfield later said he believed That he was the source of
- 2:50green superstitions and racing.
- 2:53If the Syracuse wreck was considered the beginning of green car superstitions,
- 2:58it got stronger in later years.
- 3:01Gaston Chevrolet, a race driver and younger brother of Chevrolet motor car
- 3:06company, co founder Lewis Chevrolet, competed in a race on November
- 3:1025th, 1920 at the Beverly Hills Speedway, a board track in California.
- 3:16Gaston Chevrolet lost his life when his green Frontenac race car crashed into
- 3:21the Duesenberg driven by Eddie O'Donnell and his riding mechanic, Lyle Jowles.
- 3:27All three people lost their lives in that accident.
- 3:30Scant months earlier, Chevrolet had won the Indianapolis
- 3:34500 in that very same car.
- 3:37By the way, it's interesting to note that the color green was very much an evidence.
- 3:42Early at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, for many years, most
- 3:46of the seats were painted green.
- 3:48The original shop garage doors were painted green and white.
- 3:51And the races, of course, were started with a, uh, green flag, green and racing
- 3:56peaked between the 1920s and the, uh, 1950s where the superstition really
- 4:02became prominent NASCAR's, Joe Werley was superstitious of everything, particularly
- 4:07the color green and the number 13.
- 4:10Joe Weatherly once refused to start a NASCAR race because he qualified 13th.
- 4:15Until he encouraged the promoter he qualified in 12A position.
- 4:22They used to carry his race car in the back of a open flatbed trailer.
- 4:26Joe and his team owner, Bud Moore, were eating inside a little green mom
- 4:30and pop roadside restaurant when a green vehicle backed into the race car,
- 4:35leaving a little green paint on it.
- 4:37Bud said, we'll paint over it.
- 4:39Joe said, no, you're not going to do that, you're going to grind that out.
- 4:43So he said, if you paint over it, it's still there.
- 4:47Weatherly was killed in 1964 at Riverside, California, with
- 4:50two 50 bills in a shirt pocket.
- 4:53The superstition now exists that 50 bills should be avoided
- 4:57at racetracks on race days.
- 5:00Many people remember Indy driver Roberto Guerrero winning the pole position for
- 5:04the 1992 Indy 500 and then spinning his green Lola Buick on the second parade
- 5:11lap just before the start, taking himself out of the race and somewhat embarrassed.
- 5:16In 1993, Jeff Andretti drove the same car, again in green livery, and crashed.
- 5:23Guerrero drove the exact same car in 1994, again sporting a green
- 5:28livery, crashed, and finished last.
- 5:31The green superstition hung around until the 1980s when racing sponsors
- 5:35products were green oriented and green non superstitious money was
- 5:39welcomed by the race teams and tracks.
- 5:42This is a car that raced at Oswego Speedway this summer.
- 5:45It's a NASCAR Whelan asphalt modified car number 59 driven by Andy Jankowiak.
- 5:52I don't think I've seen a greener car anywhere.
- 5:55On a racetrack, and I stopped and introduced myself and he got a kick out of
- 5:58what I was trying to do with accumulating information for this talk, but when
- 6:02you see a pack of cars go around at the beginning of a race, and you see a green
- 6:06car like this, it stands out very easily.
- 6:09Triskaidekaphobia.
- 6:11That is fear of the number 13.
- 6:15Some drivers are so nervous about the number 13 that they are
- 6:19reluctant to use multiples of 13, like number 26, 39, and so forth.
- 6:25They're considered unlucky by some teams.
- 6:28Widespread circle track superstition was never having a car number
- 6:32that could be read upside down.
- 6:34According to superstition, the five luckiest numbers are 3, 77.
- 6:41However, these numbers may not be considered lucky by all cultures.
- 6:46In Italy, the number 17 is considered unlucky.
- 6:49In China and Japan, number 4 is supposedly unlucky.
- 6:52And they say number four in Chinese sounds very similar to the word death.
- 6:57The use of the number 13 on a race car from 1926 Indy to 2002 was
- 7:04officially disallowed by the rules.
- 7:07Danica Patrick, she raced with the car number 13 and
- 7:10she didn't mind green either.
- 7:12Because her sponsor, the GoDaddy computer people, that's their color.
- 7:17And if they're paying the bill, they're gonna see that color on
- 7:19the car and her driver's suit.
- 7:22As a seven time world champion, most people assume that Michael Schumacher
- 7:26was a driver certain of his skills, but he too believed in a few superstitions.
- 7:31The first and most well known of these was his penchant for odd race car numbers.
- 7:36This came to the fore in 2010 when he returned to Formula
- 7:40One racing with Mercedes.
- 7:41Initially, he was allotted the number four with teammate Nico
- 7:45Rosberg getting the number three.
- 7:47Schumacher immediately asked for the numbers to be switched.
- 7:50It was initially thought that this was part of the mind games he was known to
- 7:54play to gain advantage over Rosberg, but it turned out to be just a superstition.
- 7:59Schumacher had won all seven of his world championships while
- 8:02driving a car with an odd number.
- 8:04Another quirk he had was to carry an amulet, a good luck charm, with
- 8:09him during the races that had the initials of his family members.
- 8:13Peanuts!
- 8:14Peanuts are known to be superstitious at auto races.
- 8:17Actually, it's not the peanut itself that's the problem.
- 8:21It's really peanut shells that are problematic.
- 8:24The superstitious issue started when the pit area at some track was behind the
- 8:29grandstands, maybe to be in the shade.
- 8:31And then when spectators broke their peanuts, they tossed the
- 8:35shells underneath the stands.
- 8:37Some of them went in the carburetors.
- 8:38That caused major engine failures.
- 8:40Drivers and crew repulsed peanuts for their unlucky reputation, and
- 8:44at some tracks, deliberately refused selling peanuts at concession stands.
- 8:49In years past, peanuts were not sold at the Indy 500 concession stands
- 8:53due to their superstitious notoriety.
- 8:56Drivers just hated to see peanut shells around their cars, and
- 9:00they caused major problems.
- 9:01Hard to believe, but there were competitors that deliberately scattered
- 9:06peanuts around their competitors just to shake them up before the race.
- 9:11On September 27th, 1937, AAA sanctioned a 100 mile championship
- 9:17race held in Nashville, Tennessee.
- 9:19A young mechanic, Mack, was walking through the pit area eating peanuts.
- 9:23and ridiculing his friend about how anyone could fall prey
- 9:26to the foolish superstition surrounding peanuts in racing.
- 9:30Mack sought to prove how outrageous this peanut fallacy was and deliberately
- 9:34broke peanut shells over the first five race cars in line for the feature race.
- 9:38Ted Horn was among them, as well as Duke Nalon, Howdy Cox,
- 9:42Vern Orendoff, and Chet Gardner.
- 9:44Howdy Cox was leading the race, as Nalon attempted to overtake him, but
- 9:49having extreme difficulty seeing through the heavy dust on the back straight.
- 9:53Suddenly, a tremendous crash occurred and spectators witnessed
- 9:56racers flipping end over end.
- 9:58This horrible debacle left Ted Horn in critical condition.
- 10:02His race car was destroyed.
- 10:04Nalon and Orendeff were seriously injured, Gardner slightly hurt, and
- 10:08Howdy Cox, the leader, was dead.
- 10:11The five cars sprinkled with peanut shells were the five cars in this dreadful crash.
- 10:16Peanut superstition was magnified exponentially after this ghastly incident.
- 10:21NASCAR's Robert Yates found out that peanuts were sold from a vending machine
- 10:26in his shop, and upon discovering this, had the peanuts removed.
- 10:31Beginning with the first Indy 500 in 1911 and until 1957, a panoramic photo was
- 10:38taken of all drivers and officials on the main straightaway just before the 500.
- 10:42The camera and photographer were located on the back of a flatbed farm truck.
- 10:46Superstitious drivers not wanting to be photographed just before the
- 10:50start of the race simply didn't line up and pose for the photo and
- 10:54weren't included by their own choice.
- 10:57Some drivers were superstitious about having their photo taken just
- 11:00prior to a race because many thought so often those photos were included
- 11:04in the newspaper the next day with the caption, last photo taken of.
- 11:09Not shaving before a race is still a big superstition today, a common ritual.
- 11:14This superstition started about 1936 when sprint car driver George Doc McKenzie
- 11:19was killed in a crash just after shaving his beard before a race on August
- 11:2323, 1936 at the Wisconsin State Fair.
- 11:28Bobby Isaac, 1972 NASCAR champ, dropped out of the 1973 Talladega 500 mid
- 11:34race in an impulsive decision which surprised his pit crew and team owner.
- 11:39He suddenly pulled into the pits, got out of the race car, and
- 11:42that was it for him for the day.
- 11:43When questioned why he dropped out, Isaac said, he heard a voice that told
- 11:47him to quit racing or he would die.
- 11:50He did not participate in any further 1973 NASCAR Winston Cup races after Talladega.
- 11:56The late Davy Ellison claimed he would be awakened by strange noises when
- 12:00staying overnight at the Talladega track.
- 12:03Also on the weekend of a race, Ellison would watch a movie.
- 12:06If he ran well that weekend, the same movie would be watched the next weekend.
- 12:11And of course, Ellison was killed at Talladega in the crash of a
- 12:14helicopter that he was piloting.
- 12:16Giuseppe Farina was the winner of the first Formula One World Championship race
- 12:21in 1950 for Alfa Romeo at Silverstone.
- 12:24Farina had a medallion of the Madonna della Conciliata, which he always wore,
- 12:29to the extent that when he forgot it at the Dutch Grand Prix in 1953, he dashed
- 12:34off to the hotel so he could get it and nearly missed the start of the race.
- 12:39John Force.
- 12:40Would not climb into his Castrol racer without at least one St.
- 12:44Christopher medal, and sometimes two.
- 12:46And he isn't the only driver to carry a St.
- 12:48Christopher medal during a race.
- 12:51Formula One world champ driver, Alan Jones, won the Formula One title
- 12:54in Canada, but only after the last minute delivery of his special luck
- 12:58charm, a pair of red underpants.
- 13:01Jones admitted being superstitious and felt uneasy because he
- 13:04thought he had lost them.
- 13:06He contacted his wife in England, she found them, and sent them
- 13:09to Canada by Special Express.
- 13:11Retired driver, David Cuthard, always steps into his race
- 13:14car with his right foot first.
- 13:16From the left side of the car.
- 13:18Cotard also felt he owned a pair of lucky underpants, which he wore in every race.
- 13:23After crashing heavily once, his driver's suit and underpants needed
- 13:26to be removed by cutting them off.
- 13:28When his mother found out, he wore five year old, well used underwear with holes.
- 13:33She forbade him to continue doing this.
- 13:36He complied, but he still took the old underwear with him
- 13:39to the races for good luck.
- 13:42Retired driver from Italy, Stefano Modena, had a strange superstition.
- 13:47If he was in the race car and anyone touched him before leaving the pits
- 13:51to start a race, he would get out of the car and then get back in.
- 13:55Alberto Ascari, a two time 1950 world champion, had a favorite blue helmet,
- 14:00which he would not allow anyone to touch.
- 14:03He made an exception after his crash at Monte Carlo in 1955,
- 14:06tossing him into the harbor.
- 14:08His helmet needed repair and was in the shop when, at Monza, Ascari
- 14:13was killed when testing a car wearing his friend Ferrari teammate
- 14:17Eugenio Castelletti's white helmet.
- 14:20After Jim Clark had two spins, uh, at Indy in 1996, he said the helmet he was wearing
- 14:25was bad luck and he disposed of it.
- 14:28Retired superstitious Formula One driver Alexander Wurst said he
- 14:32wouldn't sleep in a hotel room with his feet facing the door.
- 14:35He also wore different colored racing shoes on each foot.
- 14:38Red on the left, blue on the right, for good luck.
- 14:41Karl Kieckhafer, a 1950s two time NASCAR championship car owner and Mercury's
- 14:48boat motor manufacturer, wouldn't let his drivers or crew sleep with
- 14:52their spouses the night before a race.
- 14:55Shaking hands just before a race is another superstition.
- 14:58This is among the most common of superstitions, by shaking hands
- 15:02or not shaking hands, I'm not sure which is more superstitious.
- 15:06I've read that A.
- 15:06J.
- 15:07Foyt always wrapped a rubber band around his gear shift lever.
- 15:10He once said, it's a habit I've had for nearly 50 years,
- 15:14in both race and street cars.
- 15:15While I don't consider myself superstition, I figure it doesn't hurt.
- 15:19Most drivers visit Troth, just prior to the race.
- 15:23One southern driver admits always using the urinal farthest to the left.
- 15:27as it represents the pole position.
- 15:30If that urinal isn't available, he waits till it's free.
- 15:35Jacques Villeneuve, a retired Formula One driver, wouldn't remove his helmet when
- 15:40relieving himself just before a race.
- 15:42Many drivers have superstitions about who buckles them into a race car.
- 15:47In his book, My Speed Was Life, the famous German race manager for the Mercedes
- 15:52Grand Prix team from 1926 to 1955, Alfred Neubauer recalled, I've known very few
- 15:59race drivers who did not suffer from superstition in one form or another.
- 16:04Sterling Moss once explained, Most of the drivers I know are pretty superstitious.
- 16:08Maybe their reasons are the same as mine, that it costs nothing,
- 16:12and therefore you might just as well be superstitious as not.
- 16:15I always carried a gold horseshoe on a chain around my neck, given to me by my
- 16:19sister, and I always tried to wear it the right way up to keep the good luck in it.
- 16:23Tazio Nuvolari wore a golden tortoise charm with the letter N on its
- 16:28back, a present from the famous Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio.
- 16:33Following an Irish superstition, Dale Earnhardt Sr.
- 16:37will leave a building walking out the same door he walked in.
- 16:41Wessa Miller was a handicapped child who loved watching NASCAR on TV.
- 16:46She wanted to meet Dale Earnhardt Sr.
- 16:48and through a Make A Wish Foundation, she attended the 1998 Daytona 500.
- 16:53And met Earnhardt.
- 16:55Miller had a special gift for Earnhardt and she believed that it
- 16:57would help give him a little luck.
- 17:00The gift was a penny that she had rubbed for good luck.
- 17:03Following their meeting, Earnhardt found some glue and glued the penny
- 17:06to the dashboard of his race car.
- 17:08He won the Daytona 500 that day.
- 17:11Earnhardt tried to keep the penny, but the penny ultimately stayed with the
- 17:14race car where it remains to this day in the Richard Childress Racing Museum.
- 17:19Ted Horn was one of the most obsessively superstitious drivers.
- 17:24Horn would not allow race fans to pose with him for a photo before the race.
- 17:28Horne felt announcing your retirement as a driver before actually doing
- 17:32it was also one of the taboos.
- 17:35Horne admitted that if he found money at a track, it accompanied him in the race car.
- 17:39He found a dime at Arlington, Texas and put it in a shoe before the race started.
- 17:43He won the race and the championship that day.
- 17:46When he was killed at Duquesne, Illinois in 1948, a dime
- 17:51was found in his left boot.
- 17:53Ted Horne's Indianapolis 500 record is unequaled for consistency.
- 17:58He finished fourth, or better, in nine straight Indy 500 races beginning
- 18:02in 1936, but never won the 500.
- 18:06Ted Horn and fellow driver Bill Holland were good friends.
- 18:09Holland proceeded to win the 1949 Indianapolis 500, and following victory,
- 18:14Holland disclosed that he carried with him during the race the exact same
- 18:1710 cent piece Ted Horn carried with him when he was killed at Duquesne.
- 18:22Ted Horn's car, by the way, it broke a right front spindle.
- 18:25The car flipped and he was, he died from injuries.
- 18:28Ted Horn ignored numerous superstitions the day he was killed.
- 18:32That morning, his wife noted the dress she expected to wear was
- 18:35soiled, and her other dress was green.
- 18:38Horn accepted her wearing the green dress.
- 18:40Also unusual was the fact that she and their child parked in the
- 18:43pit area next to his race car.
- 18:45Another custom considered unlucky.
- 18:48He reportedly shaved that morning.
- 18:50Again, challenging superstition.
- 18:53One of the most bizarre racing stories relates to the late Formula One driver,
- 18:57Albert François Sivert, who won his first ever Grand Prix at Watkins Glen in 1971.
- 19:04Sivert, a French racing driver who was killed at Watkins Glen on October 6th.
- 19:101973, driving a Torell Cosworth Ford, was trying to qualify for the Grand
- 19:14Prix that year, and he was a teammate of world championship driver Jackie Stewart.
- 19:19Sivert had a long time relationship with an attractive woman by
- 19:22the name of Nanou Van Melderen.
- 19:25Five years to her meeting, Sivert, the young woman went with her
- 19:29mother to see a clairvoyant, the mother being the one seeking advice.
- 19:34But during this meeting, the foreteller told Nanoo that she would meet a
- 19:38young man with blue eyes near the sea.
- 19:40In 1964, she met blue eyed Sivert at Saint Tropez in the Caribbean.
- 19:46Two years later, Nanoo decided to pay the clairvoyant another visit,
- 19:50seeking advice about her future.
- 19:52She brought with her a photo of Sivert, but didn't tell the
- 19:55clairvoyant anything about him.
- 19:58The seer studied this photo for a long time and said he was a person that had
- 20:02an association with a strange machine.
- 20:04Nanoo told the clairvoyant that Sivert wanted to be a race driver.
- 20:08The clairvoyant told the young woman that Sivert would have a
- 20:10brilliant career in racing, but his success would come between them.
- 20:14She commenced to tell Nanoo that the handsome race driver would
- 20:17not live to see his 30th birthday.
- 20:20Later that evening, Nanoo told Sivert about this exchange.
- 20:24Sivert later insisted on seeing the old clairvoyant woman.
- 20:27Which he did.
- 20:28The clairvoyant told Severt, mostly what she'd already spelled out, and
- 20:32predicted the same thing about his future.
- 20:34That Francois would not see the beginning of his 30th year.
- 20:37Of course, you know what happened, right over here on the S's.
- 20:41After Severt was killed, Danu again visited the clairvoyant,
- 20:44and again took a photo of Severt for her to see, except that this
- 20:47photo was Severt as a young child.
- 20:50After studying the photo for a long time, she made this shocking statement.
- 20:54He is dead.
- 20:55Just as the clairvoyant predicted, Severit left this world before his 30th birthday.
- 21:01Well that's the end of my comments.
- 21:03If anybody has a question or a comment, now is the time.
- 21:07I thought it was great, Alan.
- 21:09A lot of things I had not aware of.
- 21:11Okay, hang on.
- 21:12You're drawing from so many different places.
- 21:14How did you go about researching this topic and locating
- 21:17information on this theme?
- 21:19I was lucky to have several people give me stuff because I had appealed for that.
- 21:24I had one bitter disappointment though.
- 21:25I copied flyers asking race drivers to help me with this.
- 21:29And I passed out dozens of these at Oswego Speedway and I didn't
- 21:32get one call from a race driver.
- 21:34What they're paying attention to in their life.
- 21:36But that's, yeah.
- 21:38Yeah, yeah.
- 21:40But anyway, as far as researching the material, I called old magazines.
- 21:44In some cases, auto racing books in the index said superstition and it
- 21:49would direct you right to the page.
- 21:51The internet was a big help, of course.
- 21:52And there were a number of articles written about superstitions.
- 21:56You bring up the superstition about announcing retirement.
- 21:59Before actually retiring and didn't Stewart before that race, cause it
- 22:03was supposed to be his hundredth race, announce his retirement
- 22:05from the sport before Sever died.
- 22:07Oh, he didn't.
- 22:08That's right.
- 22:11I couldn't remember exactly what it was, but it's, it's an interesting
- 22:13thought that Stewart was going to retire and then Severe died.
- 22:17Right.
- 22:17Stewart, Stewart was supposed to retire on the weekend that Severe got killed here.
- 22:21It was going to be his 100th Formula One race.
- 22:24Of course, he never got to drive that 100th race because the
- 22:27Torell team pulled out of the weekend after the death of Severe.
- 22:31This is terrific stuff.
- 22:33I'll have to turn my back to you.
- 22:36Maybe it's a superstition, I don't know.
- 22:40I'm not going there.
- 22:42So it's good to see you.
- 22:44Do you think drivers are more superstitious than
- 22:47other athletes, and how come?
- 22:49I understand that baseball players are also very superstitious,
- 22:53and I can't say any other sport, because I really don't pay too much
- 22:56attention to other than auto racing.
- 22:58Women were not allowed in the pits in oval racing up till...
- 23:01Not all that long ago, was there a superstition about women?
- 23:04Yeah, there was.
- 23:05That's why they weren't allowed into the pits.
- 23:07One year, many years ago, I went to Oswego with my wife.
- 23:11I said, well, I'll treat you to a pit pass and we'll get there a little
- 23:14early and we can walk in the pits and see the cars and drivers close up.
- 23:18She went to where the pit passes are sold, which I'm sure you know about.
- 23:22And they kind of laughed and said, we're not selling you a
- 23:24pit pass because you're a woman.
- 23:26Well, she didn't like that one bit.
- 23:28There was a police officer at the track that day, and she went right over to him,
- 23:33and she said, They won't sell me a pit pass, and I think that's discriminatory.
- 23:37And this police officer didn't want to hear that at all,
- 23:40but it didn't do any good.
- 23:41But I think he did go ask somebody, and the excuse that was given was,
- 23:45There's no ladies room in the pits.
- 23:51The, uh, thing with the photograph before the race, I read somewhere that it goes
- 23:55to the Red Baron or something like that.
- 23:57He had his photograph taken before his last mission where he was shot down.
- 24:01And that might have had something to do with not having your photograph taken
- 24:04before a race and stuff like that.
- 24:06And the one with the green with the car.
- 24:08I read somewhere one time that someone would say it was started because some
- 24:11of the tracks like, say, Terre Haute or Williams Grove or something like
- 24:14that, they're all like, they had green infield and drivers would be going and
- 24:18they'd see green out of the side of their eye, figuring it was the grass,
- 24:21but it was a green car and collided with that car or something like that.
- 24:24So I don't know how true that all is, but could happen.
- 24:27I guess anybody else?
- 24:29Last chance.
- 24:30Well, by the way, let me warn you something.
- 24:33When you go out of this building tonight, There's a cracked sidewalk.
- 24:36Don't step on that crack.
- 24:45Thank you, Alan.
- 24:46That was great.
- 24:47Really interesting.
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