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177. John George Haigh - The Acid Bath Murderer · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?
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Speaker 1: The history podcast That's not your history class with me
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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, History Harlotte and reader of books.
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Speaker 1: And I just received a Christmas card. It's like almost
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Speaker 1: the end of January and I got a Christmas card
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Speaker 1: from Reno, Nevada. I'm so happy.
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Speaker 2: One.
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Speaker 1: I love cards and letters. I love snailmail. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: not only that I have that, but in the card
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Speaker 1: there is a Christmas like cookie tray bake recipe which
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Speaker 1: is going in the recipe book and shall be tried
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Speaker 1: out next year. I mean, in fairness, you can make
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Speaker 1: Christmas cookies at any time of year if you want to.
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Speaker 1: You are not beholden to the seasons, let alone the
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Speaker 1: festive period. Like you can eat an ice cream in winter,
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Speaker 1: you can have a fruit salad in March. It doesn't matter, right.
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Speaker 1: You can eat what you want when you want, just
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Speaker 1: not right before swimming, because apparently that's not good for you.
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Speaker 1: Although I think they debunked that, but I don't know.
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Speaker 1: So I've got a letter in these like recipes a recipe,
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Speaker 1: and then I've also got like these horror themed stickers
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Speaker 1: that are like so I want to say gen X millennial,
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Speaker 1: and I am so happy they are going to go
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Speaker 1: on my new laptop, which I'm not recording on yet,
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Speaker 1: but I will be once I finally take it out
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Speaker 1: of the box. Oh, it has been. It has been
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Speaker 1: a fun weekend. And by fun, I mean I got
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Speaker 1: my arse absolutely trashed at street golf by Bebe, my daughter.
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Speaker 1: She absolutely like two thousand points. She beat me by
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Speaker 1: two thousand points. And that was with me getting a
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Speaker 1: hole in one, right. That shows you, just like how
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Speaker 1: much better than me she is at like so many things.
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Speaker 1: And it was a bit of a tough one because
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Speaker 1: my son had like a birthday party he was supposed
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Speaker 1: to go to, but then he got sitt home from
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Speaker 1: school with a fever. So it was like thirty nine
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Speaker 1: points something fever celsius. It was like reaching but one
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Speaker 1: oh one one o two like fahrenheit, so like around
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Speaker 1: about there it was quite high. And so my mom
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Speaker 1: came over and stayed up with him, and you know,
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Speaker 1: like and he wakes her up at three o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning like with a the moment her like shoving
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Speaker 1: it in her face, going temp me just because he
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Speaker 1: was like he was so determined to get to this party.
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Speaker 1: He just like willed the fever out of him. He
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Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm going to this party. So that
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Speaker 1: was a good time. So when he was at a party,
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Speaker 1: my daughter and I went and played some golf. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's probably my exciting news. I'm trying not to
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Speaker 1: complain so much, how she says, and then we'll probably
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Speaker 1: make a podcast just complain about stuff. But anyway, I
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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Katie, quite your jabbel
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Speaker 1: jabbel in fact me, in fact you I well, but
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Speaker 1: first we've got to get our source on. Our sources
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Speaker 1: are Frenzy Heath Haig and Christy by Neil Rout. The
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Speaker 1: Murders of the Black Museum eighteen seventy to nineteen seventy
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Speaker 1: by Gordon Honeycombe, Chronicle of twentieth Century Murder by Brian
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Speaker 1: Lane Haig, The Mind of a Murderer where Arthur Jayla Byrne.
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Speaker 1: We also have articles contemporary articles from The Town Times,
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Speaker 1: The New York Times and The Daily Mirror. I was
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Speaker 1: it in comfortably good? Then let's begin. As we continue
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Speaker 1: on our journey of nineteen forties crime, we have left
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Speaker 1: Southeast Asia and have found our way onto an island
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Speaker 1: that has a remarkable body count, especially when you consider
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Speaker 1: just how small it is, Like it is one of
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Speaker 1: those like real life instances of size doesn't matter. Now,
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Speaker 1: there have been many, and I do mean many and
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Speaker 1: famous killers on and from the island of Britain. And
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Speaker 1: that's like before we even include the instigators of colonial atrocities.
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Speaker 1: But yes, this tale is of someone who Shockingly enough,
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Speaker 1: I've had so many requests to cover this since I
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Speaker 1: started talking about like nineteen forties crime, Like, I've had
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Speaker 1: emails and messages and dms, people going, are you going
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Speaker 1: to You're gonna talk about the acid bath murderer. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the acid bath murderer. Well, yes, you're welcome.
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Speaker 1: I am gonna talk about John George Haigh, most commonly
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Speaker 1: known as the acid bath murderer, even though he never
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Speaker 1: used a bath to our knowledge. Now, I do think
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Speaker 1: I briefly mentioned him, like way back when I did
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Speaker 1: The Brides and the Bath Murders, the perpetrator of which
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Speaker 1: was another man with three names, George Joseph Smith. That
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Speaker 1: was episode fifty nine. The sound quality is not great
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Speaker 1: if you don't want to listen to someone who sounds
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Speaker 1: like they're talking in a tin can in a bathroom.
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Speaker 1: You can just skip it. It's fine, but it is there.
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Speaker 1: So let's get talking about John George Haig. He was
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Speaker 1: born on the twenty fourth of July nineteen oh nine
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Speaker 1: in Stamford, Lincolnshire, to Robert Haig, an engineer, and Emily Hudson,
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Speaker 1: a homemaker. I mean, to my knowledge, she's a homemaker,
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Speaker 1: a housewife, because I could not find any other information
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Speaker 1: on her. I couldn't find anything like listed as a
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Speaker 1: domestic or anything. So going to assume, given the lack
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Speaker 1: of other information and the time period, I'm gonna stick
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Speaker 1: with this. I feel fairly comfortable like with this. So
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Speaker 1: the Heggs, they are members of the Plymouth Brethren, a
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Speaker 1: religious sect cult in red Rinding of Yorkshire. So the
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Speaker 1: Plymouth Brethren are this purest Protestant sect that started around
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Speaker 1: the eighteen twenties in Dublin, of all places, right as
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Speaker 1: an offshoot of Anglicanism. Now here's the thing, as Protestant
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Speaker 1: branches go. Anglicanism is like Catholicism. It's probably the closest
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Speaker 1: out of all of the Protestant religions to Roman Catholicism.
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Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out there, okay, Like it's just
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Speaker 1: like a step to the side. They just took out
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Speaker 1: the statues and were like, that's fine. So like the Presbyterians,
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Speaker 1: the Plymouth Brethren were duel. Unlike the Presbyterians, they believed
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Speaker 1: in NeuRA scriptura, basically that they don't have any like clerics,
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Speaker 1: no ministers, no priests, no vicars, and that the Bible
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Speaker 1: was the only authority regarding church doctrine in practice and
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Speaker 1: was not to be interpreted by clerics. So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's very much. You need to take the Bible literally,
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Speaker 1: which is kind of difficult when the Bible contradicts.
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Speaker 2: Itself in several places in like like the here's the thing,
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Speaker 2: Like the Christian Bible is like the Torah with DLC.
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Speaker 1: So there's just like this turn on all of these
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Speaker 1: original practices. And so it's basically like the New Testament
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Speaker 1: is saying, don't do this stuff like the Old Testament did.
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Speaker 1: And yet near enough every Christian religion is like, let's
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Speaker 1: follow the Old Testament, Like did you read the same book.
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Speaker 1: I'm not. Nope, I'm not going to get into it.
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Speaker 1: That was a sidebar that we did not need Oh
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Speaker 1: I did we? Hey, Kerry did you? I almost studied theology,
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Speaker 1: Like that was one of my my considerations when I
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Speaker 1: was first applying for like third level education. Side bar
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Speaker 1: is that I originally wanted to go and do like
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Speaker 1: theology anthropology, and then there was something else I think.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm still tempted to go and do
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Speaker 1: criminology because I think it'd be very interesting and I
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Speaker 1: would only be doing it for fun, like I would
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Speaker 1: be doing it just to gain that interest for my
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Speaker 1: own greedy, gluttonous learning, like that's it. And I really
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Speaker 1: wanted to do that, which is very funny. When I
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Speaker 1: was chatting to doctor s Milewise James, we were chatting
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Speaker 1: about how like she like almost went into sort of religion,
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Speaker 1: like religious sort of history as well, which is or
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Speaker 1: even religious literature or whatever it was. It was like
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Speaker 1: something religion based, and I was like, well, that's a
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Speaker 1: funny little parallel there. But anyway, I love her. If
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Speaker 1: you don't watch her stuff, you should do that because
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Speaker 1: she is amazing and she knows her shit and does
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Speaker 1: where her mum's really killed. I love her mom. So
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Speaker 1: back to the Hagues. So John George Haiks's parents were
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Speaker 1: late parents, like they got married late, and he was
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Speaker 1: the only you know, product of their marriage. He was
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Speaker 1: the only child they had, and his upbringing was strict.
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Speaker 1: No casual entertainment was allowed in any capacity. So no carnivals,
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Speaker 1: no music, no shows, no music halls, no newspapers or magazines.
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Speaker 1: Only stories from the Bible were allowed. Nay, what is
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Speaker 1: strict and unpleasant upbringing? I'm sure there will be no
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Speaker 1: ramifications for this at any later point in this podcast
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Speaker 1: episode about nineteen forties crime AnyWho. As a result of
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Speaker 1: this ultra conservative upbringing, John George Haiks offered recurring religious
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Speaker 1: nightmares throughout his childhood. It's not all bad though. He
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Speaker 1: learned the piano, so he's quite young. He starts, you know,
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Speaker 1: hitting those ivories and turns it out. He's rather proficient.
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Speaker 1: Like he's a really good pianist, and he's like playing
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Speaker 1: like classical composers all the stuff that people say, No,
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Speaker 1: it's classic. It's definitely great, as if Mozart wasn't always
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Speaker 1: writing just just dick jokes and are slicking jokes and
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Speaker 1: all of his music anyway, not all of it, but
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Speaker 1: like some of it and also also it's fun. I
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Speaker 1: don't care anyway. So John here he won a scholarship
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Speaker 1: to Queen Elizabeth Grammar School in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, and
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Speaker 1: then another scholarship to Wakefield Cathedral, becoming a boy in
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Speaker 1: the process. Sweet irony. So when he's at school, he
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Speaker 1: like really focused on the subjects that he was interested in.
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Speaker 1: If he liked it, he would apply himself. If he
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Speaker 1: didn't like it or he wasn't that interested in it,
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Speaker 1: he just wouldn't bother. And like he was also this
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Speaker 1: is going to shock you, a bit of a bully,
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Speaker 1: Like he would threaten classmates. And because of who his
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Speaker 1: parents were, like his mom thought that they were better
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Speaker 1: than everybody else, and his dad was just this incredibly
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Speaker 1: staunch strict man that you know, the teachers just didn't
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Speaker 1: want to approach them, and then like the parents of
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Speaker 1: other children just did not want to approach them. They
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Speaker 1: were like, let's let's not let's just power through. So
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Speaker 1: he leaves school. He was working as an apprentice at
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Speaker 1: a motor engineer company, Shell mex Limited. He's there for
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Speaker 1: what like three years altogether, so like throughout his teens
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Speaker 1: he's working there. And John he had a thing for cars,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just like the dudes on the internet
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Speaker 1: who were like, where's your own Lombow, he sees cars
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Speaker 1: as a status symbol. He likes cars and he wants
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Speaker 1: cars now, typically in the position that he's in, that
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Speaker 1: he's working in, in the wage that he is earning,
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Speaker 1: given locale again his age and the average working wage
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Speaker 1: at the time, how he would get a car, let
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Speaker 1: alone three cars is just a little bit surprising and
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Speaker 1: possibly concerning. But what exactly is his job Shell Tech Limited? Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, because I'll tell you. So he
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Speaker 1: would post information for customers on the cars that were
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Speaker 1: on sale, you know, at this motor engineering company. So like,
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Speaker 1: so he's like doing this for a few years. You know,
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Speaker 1: he's basically putting out ad copy. Here's the information about
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Speaker 1: the car, buy the car, toda. And he's there for
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Speaker 1: a good few years and he's learning lots about the
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Speaker 1: motor trade. Unfortunately, when he's twenty one, he has fired
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Speaker 1: from that job because he is suspected of stealing a
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Speaker 1: cash box. So he just continues working away in other places.
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Speaker 1: He ends up selling car insurance within years, along with
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Speaker 1: like some other side hustles, which is how he was
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Speaker 1: able to afford those one, two, three or more cars
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Speaker 1: he was flashing about in and he becomes a dab
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Speaker 1: hand in forging signatures. He's also doing some like scams
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Speaker 1: with stocks and mutual funds, and on top of that,
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Speaker 1: he's selling cars that do not exist. And obviously this
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Speaker 1: is a cash business, so he would just take the
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Speaker 1: money and pocket it. And he's forging documents and manages
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Speaker 1: to acquire around five hundred pounds from the Mercantile Union
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Speaker 1: Guarantee company that's right, acquire. And he is spending this money.
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Speaker 1: By the way, he's dressing in tailored suits. He's flashing
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Speaker 1: his money out in the pubs. He is driving these
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Speaker 1: swanky cars. He is showing off right, so he looks
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Speaker 1: like he is a big high roller. He is earning money.
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Speaker 1: He is just you know, the Abey's knees. But it
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Speaker 1: wasn't long before the corn man got himself a wife.
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Speaker 1: So on the six of July nineteen thirty four, he
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Speaker 1: marries twenty three year old Buttrius Hammer, who is known
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Speaker 1: as Betty, and she is beautiful, absolutely stunning, but she
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Speaker 1: is dirt poor and he's flashing the cash, so he
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Speaker 1: seems like he's a good option, Like he's got money,
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Speaker 1: he is a stable you know, a stable husband to
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Speaker 1: have spoiler alert, he was not so because here's the
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Speaker 1: thing about John, he's not a very good husband. And
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Speaker 1: a few months after they got married, John was arrested.
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Speaker 1: Now Betty visits him and she tries to get him
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Speaker 1: to tell her, like what's going on? And he tells
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Speaker 1: you it's it's nothing, don't worry about it.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. He and his two accomplices try to
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Speaker 1: defraud Motor Credit Services Limited, and they were caught because
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Speaker 1: of a spelling mistake on a form. So Hagen his
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Speaker 1: accomplices were charged and sentenced, and he receives a fifteen
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Speaker 1: month sentence in November nineteen thirty four. Unfortunately for Betty,
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Speaker 1: she's pregnant. Her husband and father of her baby is
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Speaker 1: in prison. Like who's going to provide for her and baby?
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Speaker 1: Like John is in prison, Like it starts at fifteen months,
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Speaker 1: but like what if he's in longer? Like he's already
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Speaker 1: away for over a year and it could be longer
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Speaker 1: if anything happens in there, or he has bad behavior
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Speaker 1: or it's like such a deal for her and there's
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Speaker 1: no support coming from in laws or you know, she
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have a family who can support her
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Speaker 1: in this. Her family have no money, no way to
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Speaker 1: support her, and she's got radio silence from John, and so,
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Speaker 1: being very pregnant and having zero options, Betty decides fuck
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Speaker 1: this for a game of soldiers, and after giving birth,
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Speaker 1: makes the decision to put her daughter up for adoption,
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Speaker 1: thinking that this is the best and safest option for
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Speaker 1: her baby and for everyone involved. So John's parents, like
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Speaker 1: they write to him, like, well, he's locked up, and
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Speaker 1: his dad's letters are very this is going to shock
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Speaker 1: you religious in nature and from prison. He writes back,
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Speaker 1: and he proclaims that he's sorry for you know, committing fraud,
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Speaker 1: and he's repenting, like he writes that he's going to
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Speaker 1: redeem himself when he finally gets the chance.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: He's also weirdly very boastful in his letters about how
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Speaker 1: well he's doing in prison, Like he's talking about how
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Speaker 1: he's upskilling He's like doing tailoring, he's making trousers, pajamas, jackets,
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Speaker 1: like he's he's fucking upskilling here, right. And by December
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five, John is released from prison early for
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Speaker 1: good behavior, and let's not forget that the Second World
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Speaker 1: War had started several months earlier, which was probably a
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Speaker 1: deciding factor in this. No, when he gets out his parents,
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Speaker 1: they cut ties with him as they discover that their
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Speaker 1: grandchild has been put up for adoption and his wife
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Speaker 1: is gone, which does not align with their conservative Christian values.
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Speaker 1: But John George wasn't going to let something like being
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Speaker 1: disowned stop him from making money. So with his newfound
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Speaker 1: knowledge about attire, he opens up a drag cleaning business
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Speaker 1: with Major Plackett, who was his lawyer when he was
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Speaker 1: charged with fraud. So this all sounds very above board. Now. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: Major Plackett dies in a car accident and the major's
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Speaker 1: widow decided that she was just going to liquidate her
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Speaker 1: half of the business. So what she inherited from her
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Speaker 1: late husband. And here's the thing, if she gets rid
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Speaker 1: of her half of the business, that would mean that
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Speaker 1: John George Haig would have to do all the work himself.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, he decided that he too was going to
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Speaker 1: liquidate his half of the business. So John at this
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Speaker 1: point he needed money because well he seems like he
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Speaker 1: has money, but he really doesn't, and he thinks, where
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Speaker 1: can I go? He goes full dick Woddingdon and heads
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Speaker 1: to London, where the streets are lined with gold. Sorry
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Speaker 1: what was that? Mold? So he moves to London in
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six and gets a job as a chauffeur
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Speaker 1: to William Donald mcsqan, who takes a liking to him. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's not surprising that people like this man because he's
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Speaker 1: a con man, and part of their whole stick is
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Speaker 1: to be charming. They charmed to disarm, like what they do, like,
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Speaker 1: they want you to like them so that you won't
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Speaker 1: think that they're gonna do the bad thing to you.
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Speaker 1: Like that's how that works. So he's working as a chauffeur,
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Speaker 1: and he's not only hired by him, but he also
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Speaker 1: hangs out with him after work, so they're just like
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Speaker 1: driving about the just like going to the pub after
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Speaker 1: and mixed one. He is well off, well well off
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Speaker 1: enough to afford a personal driver, and he has like
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Speaker 1: an amusement business right at this point. That's where his
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Speaker 1: like funding's coming from. So this is like an amusement arcade.
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Speaker 1: They're sort of you'd see them now more along sort
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Speaker 1: of seaside coastal towns, so you'd have things like like
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Speaker 1: I think nowadays it would be like the claw machine.
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Speaker 1: So at this point he had pin tables, a coconut shy,
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Speaker 1: which is I love a coconut shy, and not just
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Speaker 1: so I can walk around and go, I've got a
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Speaker 1: lovely bunch of coconuts. Side bar. There they are standing
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Speaker 1: in the row, big one, small one, some as big
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Speaker 1: as your bed. You give them my tte ulick o
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Speaker 1: the waist is what the sherman said. And so that's
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Speaker 1: enough now is it? Oh there stands my wife. Have
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Speaker 1: you I loved my life? Singing Ronie bollyball A penny
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Speaker 1: of your pinch anyway, So amusement arcades, so coconut shy,
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Speaker 1: so you're gonna like try and knock the coconuts off.
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Speaker 1: All the jazz, right, all that jazz. And so that's
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Speaker 1: where his money's from. And Haig, he's like giving him
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Speaker 1: ideas about how to get more patrons into his business.
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Speaker 1: And you know, they all get along. He meets the
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Speaker 1: mix One parents and they just get quite close. So
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Speaker 1: William Donald mis One like, even though this guy's employee,
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Speaker 1: he sees him as a friend. Right now, that's just
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Speaker 1: something to keep in mind. Now, well this is happening.
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Speaker 1: John George Haig pretended to be a solicitor under aliases.
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Speaker 1: Of course he's not stupid, she says. He visited the
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Speaker 1: public company's registry so that he could collect a list
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Speaker 1: of shareholders and company directors to contact. Right, Like, he's
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Speaker 1: doing his research, which you should appreciate, like putting the effort.
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Speaker 1: Imagine if he went into like legitimate business like he
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Speaker 1: would have done quite well. But this was more fun
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Speaker 1: for him and involved surprisingly less coquine than someone would think,
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Speaker 1: especially for the era. So as William Keto Adamson, a
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Speaker 1: solicitor with offices in Guildfield, Surrey, Hastings, Sussex and London.
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Speaker 1: He's told fraudulent stock at below market rates, claiming that
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Speaker 1: they were from the estates of his deceased clients. Now
24:52
Speaker 1: this is like a buyer's dream because this is like
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Speaker 1: boiler room scenario, like Wall Street boiler room, all that jazz. Now,
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Speaker 1: some people catch on quickly that these deals are too
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Speaker 1: good to be true, because you know what, like if
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Speaker 1: it's too good to be true, then it possibly is.
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Speaker 1: So they just don't respond. Others, though, are just like, yes,
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Speaker 1: I would love to have this estate, this land, this
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Speaker 1: is mine, give me me, give me, give me, because
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Speaker 1: you'd be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't, just like how
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Speaker 1: powerful greed can be, you know. And now he gets caught,
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna gonna see history repeating here away bit
25:37
Speaker 1: by another spelling mistake because he misspelled Guildford. He spelled
25:45
Speaker 1: it like Guilford, so without the day, like my daring life.
25:52
Speaker 1: So he was really really sneaky with it, like proper
25:56
Speaker 1: sleek it. He would sing his name as like other
25:59
Speaker 1: members of office, so just like lower level personnel, trying
26:03
Speaker 1: to make it seem as though he was like some
26:05
Speaker 1: lowly worker be you know, as opposed to the head
26:08
Speaker 1: hoorn show. And the vivity gets caught because of a
26:12
Speaker 1: spelling mistake and somebody's like, no solicitor would misspell the
26:17
Speaker 1: town that he says his business is in. And so
26:21
Speaker 1: in November nineteen thirty seven, he's charged with fraud again
26:27
Speaker 1: and is convicted to serve four years in prison. Like
26:34
Speaker 1: he had absolutely no chance of winning this case. The
26:38
Speaker 1: evidence was huge, and the judge was calling him out
26:43
Speaker 1: like actually just tearing him apart for trying to like
26:47
Speaker 1: pull the will over his eyes, and so he just
26:52
Speaker 1: gets completely chastised. And then he goes to prison and
26:58
Speaker 1: kids an early release because he applies for one and
27:03
Speaker 1: gets out in August nineteen forty. Now let's we forget
27:09
Speaker 1: the Second World War is raging at this point, so
27:13
Speaker 1: early release was fairly common because you know, the government
27:18
Speaker 1: needed bodies. And he manages to not enlist and instead
27:25
Speaker 1: continues stealing. So he's nicking curtains, bunk beds, and even
27:30
Speaker 1: kitchen utensils, like he's going full on sticky finger decorating.
27:36
Speaker 1: And he's back in prison on June the eleventh, nineteen
27:40
Speaker 1: forty one, and he's back writing to his parents, full
27:44
Speaker 1: of remorse and repenting. This time he's serving a twenty
27:50
Speaker 1: one month sentence, his third time in prison. And it's
27:57
Speaker 1: here that he starts experimenting. John George Haig is at
28:10
Speaker 1: Lincoln Prison and he starts experimenting with field mice, not
28:15
Speaker 1: in that way to my knowledge, not in that way.
28:20
Speaker 1: So by the experimenting, I feel I should like confirm here,
28:24
Speaker 1: I mean he's dissolving field mice in sulfuric acid, like
28:30
Speaker 1: he's seeing how long it takes for the acid to
28:33
Speaker 1: dissolve the field mice, but for why. So in these
28:39
Speaker 1: experiments he discovered that it takes about half an hour
28:43
Speaker 1: to dissolve the mouse. He estimated that by using I
28:49
Speaker 1: don't know what algebra ratios math, by using math, that
28:57
Speaker 1: by comparing the weight of a mouse to a human
29:01
Speaker 1: that he could guess just how long it would take
29:04
Speaker 1: for a human body to dissolve. Everybody needs a hobby,
29:10
Speaker 1: right right, because he comes to the realization in prison
29:16
Speaker 1: that it is much more difficult to get caught when
29:20
Speaker 1: there's no one to tattle on you. That's right, no
29:24
Speaker 1: victim left alive means there's no one to rat on you.
29:28
Speaker 1: This was not intentionally a rodent pun, but here we are.
29:35
Speaker 1: So he uses sulphuric acid inspired by a Greek born
29:39
Speaker 1: French murderer, George Alexandra Surat, who did the same thing,
29:46
Speaker 1: which is wild because you know, I'm completely ignoring the
29:49
Speaker 1: fact that the only reason he knows who Surat was
29:53
Speaker 1: was because Surat was caught convicted of murdering two people
29:58
Speaker 1: and dissolving their bodies in an said before being executed
30:02
Speaker 1: by GA eighteen on the tenth of April nineteen thirty four. Like,
30:08
Speaker 1: is that the outcome you want, Johnny boy?
30:11
Speaker 3: Is it?
30:13
Speaker 1: Either way? He decides his best course of action is
30:16
Speaker 1: to practice dissolving mammals in sulfuric acid. Now, sulfuric acid
30:23
Speaker 1: is one of, if not the most used chemical in
30:26
Speaker 1: the world. Like it's used in almost all industries, and
30:31
Speaker 1: it's colorless and orderless. It's used widely in the manufacturer
30:36
Speaker 1: of like fertilizers and the making of paints, dyes, and drugs.
30:41
Speaker 1: It's everywhere. So he would collect sulfuric acid and use
30:47
Speaker 1: the workshop in the prison because he was allowed to
30:51
Speaker 1: use the workshop in the prison. I mean, he's like fraud.
30:57
Speaker 1: They're like, it's fraud, it's not like murder. And so
31:02
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, it's okay for you to use the
31:05
Speaker 1: workshop and the tools. So he would collect the sofa,
31:09
Speaker 1: your cacid. He'd use the workshop, and he'd pay prisoners
31:13
Speaker 1: to collect field mice for him, and he'd pay them
31:17
Speaker 1: with tobacco that his parents sent him because they were like, oh,
31:21
Speaker 1: you're in prison, here have tobacco. You need a smoke
31:25
Speaker 1: san So he's going all Dexter's laboratory in the Lincoln
31:30
Speaker 1: Prison tin shop. So he practices in the Lincoln Prison
31:34
Speaker 1: tin shop, testing his dissolving times and the like. And
31:40
Speaker 1: he applies for an early release, and you know what,
31:44
Speaker 1: they give it to him. And so he's released in
31:49
Speaker 1: September nineteen forty three. So far this man has never
31:53
Speaker 1: served a full sentence. He's always been let out early
31:57
Speaker 1: and then gone and committed another crime. I think after
32:01
Speaker 1: the second one, you think maybe not, maybe not. So
32:09
Speaker 1: he's released in September nineteen forty three, and he then
32:12
Speaker 1: lives and is employed by Alan Stevens. So he's lodging
32:17
Speaker 1: there and working there. And who else is living in
32:21
Speaker 1: this abode will Alan's wife, Evelyn and their fifteen year
32:26
Speaker 1: old daughter Barbara. So John George Haig starts, and I'm
32:32
Speaker 1: going to use this word loosely, a relationship with Barbara.
32:40
Speaker 1: She's fifteen and he is thirty six years old. And
32:47
Speaker 1: apart from the fact that she's more than half his age,
32:51
Speaker 1: that's his boss's daughter, right, and the boss who he
32:57
Speaker 1: also happens to live with. Okay, mister and missus Stevens
33:02
Speaker 1: have an issue with this relationship. Not because they think
33:07
Speaker 1: this thirty something old man is grooming their teenage daughter. No, No,
33:14
Speaker 1: they like him They think he is the cat's pajamas.
33:19
Speaker 1: They think that she's too immature for him. Is she,
33:25
Speaker 1: mister and missus Stevens, as your fifteen year old daughter,
33:29
Speaker 1: too immature for the nearly fourteen year old man, Perhaps,
33:36
Speaker 1: I'd say maybe, maybe, just but I feel like you
33:41
Speaker 1: could be looking at this who just a bit of
33:45
Speaker 1: a blurred perspective here. In August the following year, Haick
33:52
Speaker 1: finally finds what he's been looking for, not an age
33:56
Speaker 1: appropriate woman, but instead three basement rooms to rent in
34:00
Speaker 1: a building on Gloucester Road. He negotiates the price like
34:05
Speaker 1: he haggles obviously, and then moves in on the sixth
34:10
Speaker 1: of September nineteen forty four. On the seventh of September,
34:16
Speaker 1: the very next day, he places an order of twenty
34:20
Speaker 1: gallons of sulfuric acid. But that's not all. He also
34:26
Speaker 1: orders six pounds of muriatic acid, which is more famously
34:31
Speaker 1: known as hydrochloric acid. But like I mean, it's basically
34:36
Speaker 1: not as pure. It's like an impure form of hydrochloric acid.
34:41
Speaker 1: It is incredibly corrosive even when diluted, so it has
34:47
Speaker 1: a lot of uses, like in the manufacturing of polyvinyl chloride,
34:53
Speaker 1: also known as PVC, also known as vegan leather. So PVC.
35:00
Speaker 1: We just used to call it PVC back in the
35:02
Speaker 1: two thousands, in the millennium, back in the old and days,
35:08
Speaker 1: somebody somewhere had some PVC trousers. Sometimes they'd go so
35:13
Speaker 1: far as to call it pleth. We knew it was plastic. Sidebar,
35:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a story about me and
35:22
Speaker 1: my pleth trousers. Then I wore to our funeral. In
35:26
Speaker 1: my defense, it was bought as one of my funeral outfits. Sidebar.
35:33
Speaker 1: I used to go to a lot of funerals. Like
35:35
Speaker 1: a lot of funerals, people around me kept dying. I
35:38
Speaker 1: will not be blamed for it. Heart attacks are common
35:41
Speaker 1: these days, so a lot of grandparents died in quick sussession.
35:46
Speaker 1: And there has been a lot of death in my
35:48
Speaker 1: family since I was quite young, so I've grown up
35:51
Speaker 1: around death. And there was always a section in my
35:53
Speaker 1: wardrobe like dedicated for funerals. Right to this day, I
35:59
Speaker 1: have at least three separate funeral appropriate outfits for basically
36:04
Speaker 1: any or most most types of funerals. Like I am
36:08
Speaker 1: ready to go, right, I also have the perfect funeral
36:12
Speaker 1: bag like I have everything anybody will need. I have
36:16
Speaker 1: a similar bag for weddings. They both contained issues like
36:20
Speaker 1: in mince. Anyway, that's not the point. I have fidget
36:23
Speaker 1: toies for child. The whole shebang, I got you covered.
36:27
Speaker 1: Like but anyway, back to the funeral. We get to
36:30
Speaker 1: the funeral. My brother and my dad are both wearing
36:35
Speaker 1: ankle length black leather coats like they've just stepped out
36:39
Speaker 1: of the fucking matrix. My oldest brother, he is wearing
36:43
Speaker 1: a three quarter length black leavel jacket. I am wearing
36:48
Speaker 1: my PBC trousers and a black and camel cashmere jumper.
36:53
Speaker 1: The camel was a trim, okay, it was mainly black.
36:58
Speaker 1: So we're at the crematorium actually, so it's like a
37:03
Speaker 1: funeral service at it, and you know, there's still prayers
37:07
Speaker 1: and stuff, so we have to like sit on the
37:10
Speaker 1: pew and kneel down and all this kind of stuff.
37:14
Speaker 1: And every time I moved, my clothes squeaked, and every
37:20
Speaker 1: time my brother moved has clothes squeaked. So it's like,
37:24
Speaker 1: oh no, we pray, and it was continuous all the
37:27
Speaker 1: way through this funeral, and it goes back and it
37:30
Speaker 1: gets to the point where I just start laughing so
37:32
Speaker 1: hard that my brother shoves my face right into his shoulder.
37:36
Speaker 1: Bear in mind, I'm twelve at this point, eleven. I'm
37:39
Speaker 1: eleven at this point, and he's just like, she's really sad,
37:44
Speaker 1: by the way, She's really sad because I'm shaking with
37:46
Speaker 1: my whole body, and he's just like, oh, the teals,
37:51
Speaker 1: the teals. And then at the very end of the funeral,
37:56
Speaker 1: it kept playing over and over again. I'm two, say
38:02
Speaker 1: good but it kept playing on a loop, and that
38:06
Speaker 1: just set me off again because I was like, when
38:07
Speaker 1: we're saying goodbye, by the way, because the coffin still
38:09
Speaker 1: sitting there like it was a if stuff was broken
38:13
Speaker 1: away anyway, Funerals always at many of them, so PBC
38:23
Speaker 1: plastic that looks like leather, and uriatic acid hydrochloric acid.
38:28
Speaker 1: They're also used in steel production, in cleaning tiles, and
38:33
Speaker 1: it's even used in balancing the pH in your pool
38:38
Speaker 1: if you have a pool. I don't have a pool
38:42
Speaker 1: because I have Ireland where it rains most of the time.
38:47
Speaker 1: If I want to pull, I'll just dig a hole
38:49
Speaker 1: in the garden. Mixing muriatic acid and sulfuric acid creates
38:55
Speaker 1: the joker. No, it creates a corrosive soup. Acid like
39:02
Speaker 1: muriatic acid can dissolve iron, right, and there's a lot
39:07
Speaker 1: of safety precautions you have to take with that. And
39:11
Speaker 1: so he orders buckets and buckets of acid and it's
39:16
Speaker 1: the leveled the very same day. How efficient. Then one
39:24
Speaker 1: night in the Goat Pub in Kensington, London, who does
39:29
Speaker 1: he bump into but his old chum slash former employer,
39:33
Speaker 1: William Donald mcswawan. He meets with mc swan's parents, Donald
39:40
Speaker 1: and Amy again, and everyone has a swell time the
39:45
Speaker 1: end please, In the immortal words of cher Horowitz as
39:53
Speaker 1: f as f just by existing, John feels like William
40:00
Speaker 1: is rubbing his success in his face and he just
40:04
Speaker 1: couldn't have that. There is nothing more dangerous than a
40:09
Speaker 1: man with wounded pride, regardless of whether the slight is
40:14
Speaker 1: imagined or not. A couple of days after he sets
40:18
Speaker 1: up his Hindenburg basement, he invites his old buddy William
40:22
Speaker 1: over and John cotes him over the d with either
40:27
Speaker 1: a table leg or a piece of pipe, he can't
40:31
Speaker 1: quite remember which, and William mcswan takes about five minutes
40:38
Speaker 1: to die. He's gone over there to hang out with
40:42
Speaker 1: someone he thought was his friend, only to be killed
40:45
Speaker 1: by him. Because William had money, and at this point
40:50
Speaker 1: he's working with his parents who are landlords in London,
40:56
Speaker 1: so he would collect rent from all of the flats
40:59
Speaker 1: or apart mints around London and make a pretty penny
41:04
Speaker 1: like he'd be collecting on his money for his parents,
41:06
Speaker 1: and then he would earn from that. And he was
41:10
Speaker 1: doing very well for himself in this scenario, and of
41:13
Speaker 1: course John is jealous. He wants that money without you know,
41:20
Speaker 1: actually having to go and earn it. After bonking William
41:25
Speaker 1: mcswan on the head and watching him die, he strips
41:29
Speaker 1: him of all of his valuables and puts him in
41:31
Speaker 1: a drum that he fills with forty to fifty gallons
41:35
Speaker 1: of sulfuric acid. So he is like kitted out at
41:40
Speaker 1: this point. He's got rubber boots, he's got gloves, he's
41:44
Speaker 1: got a big butcher's apron on, and he's using a
41:48
Speaker 1: bucket to fill up the drum with acid. And the
41:51
Speaker 1: fumes are they're getting to him and so he has
41:56
Speaker 1: to keep running outside, like up the bait steps and
42:01
Speaker 1: outside for air. Right now, you've gone to all this effort.
42:07
Speaker 1: You've got boots, you've got gloves, you've got your massive
42:10
Speaker 1: leather butchelled apron And at no point during this did
42:15
Speaker 1: you consider maybe something for the gas. Right, So, hydrochloric
42:21
Speaker 1: acid is It's London in nineteen forty four. Owning a
42:28
Speaker 1: gas mask is like the least suspicious thing you could
42:32
Speaker 1: do at this point, Right, no one's gonna be like, oh,
42:35
Speaker 1: why has he got a gas mask? It's London in
42:40
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four. After John George Haig decides that his
42:46
Speaker 1: friend should be liquefied, he realizes that it's not William
42:52
Speaker 1: that has the money, it's his parents. In a shocking
42:57
Speaker 1: and unprecedented turn of events that no one could predicted,
43:01
Speaker 1: wyam Swan's body didn't dissolve in thirty minutes like the
43:06
Speaker 1: mice did. Deciding that the corpse needs some more time
43:10
Speaker 1: to stew, Haig leaves and comes back two days later
43:15
Speaker 1: and discovers that his former friend's body was now sort
43:19
Speaker 1: of sludge. Luckily for Haig, the basement room had a
43:25
Speaker 1: big old drain in it. Well, it's actually a manhole,
43:29
Speaker 1: like in the center of this basement. We're not in
43:31
Speaker 1: the center it's in the basement. I'm not entirely sure
43:34
Speaker 1: if it's in the center of it, but it's in
43:37
Speaker 1: the basement. And so he decides to just pour the
43:43
Speaker 1: corpse good down the drain that led to the precursor
43:46
Speaker 1: to the teenage mutant Ninja turtles, the adult suffrage salamanders,
43:51
Speaker 1: adults suffrage salamanders. Adults suffrage salamanders, adult suffrage salamanders. Let
44:00
Speaker 1: him voter, you choke savage power. So he goes to
44:04
Speaker 1: Donald and Amy mcxmoan and is like Williams left to
44:09
Speaker 1: avoid constription, like he forges documents to make it look
44:14
Speaker 1: like he's left the country. Well, he's gone to Scotland,
44:19
Speaker 1: as if the island the entire island and country technically
44:26
Speaker 1: of Great Britain, because Great Britain is country, but Scotland
44:29
Speaker 1: and England and Wales are also countries. It's not. Let's
44:32
Speaker 1: not get into geography because it's too much right now.
44:34
Speaker 1: But he's up in Scotland. Allegedly, he's not, he's in
44:38
Speaker 1: a drain, and so John's like, you know, he's escaped.
44:43
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to join the war, and his parents
44:46
Speaker 1: are like the war is like getting closed in the end,
44:51
Speaker 1: like we're reading the papers, it feels like a bit
44:55
Speaker 1: sus but then they're getting postcards and all this stuff.
45:02
Speaker 1: Like basically he's doing all this work to make it
45:05
Speaker 1: seem like William's still alive. And he does this all
45:12
Speaker 1: the way through to July nineteen forty five, So September
45:19
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four to July nineteen forty five, so that's
45:27
Speaker 1: after the war is over, Okay, he continues this ruse
45:33
Speaker 1: meanwhile during this time, like he is talented mister riplaying
45:40
Speaker 1: his way into everyone's lives. And with William away, who
45:46
Speaker 1: is going to collect the rent from all of the
45:49
Speaker 1: mixed won properties? Oh everyone, dear friend John George Haig.
45:58
Speaker 1: So he is out collecting all the rent from these
46:00
Speaker 1: tendencies from all these properties all across the city of London.
46:05
Speaker 1: And also I'm assuming outer maybe out of London. I'm
46:09
Speaker 1: not entirely sure of exactly where the barrier of their
46:14
Speaker 1: properties ended. So he's doing this for them, and he
46:18
Speaker 1: is making money, but of course he wants more, just
46:24
Speaker 1: full on channeling his inner Voruk assault. He's like, I
46:28
Speaker 1: want to faced, I want to pain faced queen buns
46:33
Speaker 1: and downuts and fruit cake with now nuts so good,
46:35
Speaker 1: you could go nuts. Like he is just gim me, gimme, gimme.
46:40
Speaker 1: And so he's ready for the next stage of his
46:44
Speaker 1: cruel and vicious plan. He tells Donald that William has
46:49
Speaker 1: returned and he's hiding in his basement, which in governess
46:55
Speaker 1: is totally reasonable when you consider the fact that the
46:58
Speaker 1: idea is that he has fled the country in order
47:02
Speaker 1: to be conscripted to not join the army, which is,
47:07
Speaker 1: you know, breaking the law. And so he's like, he's
47:10
Speaker 1: a wanted man. He's hiding in my basement. You've got
47:12
Speaker 1: to come see him. And when Donald goes to the
47:16
Speaker 1: basement to reunite with the son that he hasn't seen
47:19
Speaker 1: in a year, Head comes up behind him, closhes him
47:25
Speaker 1: on the back of the head, and then bludgets him
47:28
Speaker 1: to death. And he repeats the same gambit with Amy,
47:35
Speaker 1: lures her to the basement and kills her. Now, when
47:41
Speaker 1: I was writing this out, sidebar I know, too many sidebars,
47:44
Speaker 1: I know, but I was writing this out and all
47:48
Speaker 1: I kept thinking throughout this whole part, I was like,
47:52
Speaker 1: he's just luring them into this basement, And through my
47:57
Speaker 1: head I just kept thinking of funny bones. So like
48:01
Speaker 1: I don't know if if you'll have it in your countries.
48:03
Speaker 1: But there was a children's TV show about a family
48:06
Speaker 1: of skeletons, a daddy's skeleton, a boy skeleton, and their
48:10
Speaker 1: little dog skeleton too, And so the intro would start
48:15
Speaker 1: and it would be like in a dok doc street,
48:18
Speaker 1: there's a dark dock house, in a dark dock house,
48:21
Speaker 1: there's a dark, dark basement. In the dark dark basement,
48:24
Speaker 1: three skeletons live. And there was that, and that's just
48:30
Speaker 1: it kept playing over my head. I kept seeing flashes
48:34
Speaker 1: of funny bones, just over and over, which kind of
48:38
Speaker 1: shows you my macab childhood. AnyWho he puts their bodies
48:46
Speaker 1: in a drum each and bodies are heavy, and there
48:52
Speaker 1: is like no information pertaining to dismemberment, like it doesn't
48:58
Speaker 1: come up at all, Like there is no discussion of dismemberment.
49:04
Speaker 1: There's no consideration of it, like it doesn't come up anywhere.
49:09
Speaker 1: He simply just lugs these bodies into the drums. And
49:13
Speaker 1: if you've ever had to lift a dead weight, like
49:17
Speaker 1: anyone who's fainted or collapsed, or a kid that just
49:20
Speaker 1: does not want to be picked up, that's heavy. Now
49:24
Speaker 1: imagine that's a grown person, Like that is difficult to do.
49:30
Speaker 1: But he doesn't dismember the bodies for like easy packaging
49:34
Speaker 1: into these drums. He just chucks them in. I mean,
49:38
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a bit more effort than that. I
49:41
Speaker 1: would assume it's a bit more effort than that. But
49:45
Speaker 1: he doesn't spend a lot of time actually like dealing
49:48
Speaker 1: with like blood and gore, Like it's not laborious or
49:53
Speaker 1: anything that seems like, you know, too much hard work,
49:57
Speaker 1: and like he's killing four convenient. It's like that's what
50:00
Speaker 1: he's doing. And on the sixth of July nineteen forty five,
50:08
Speaker 1: he left his basement workshop for pastors new but before
50:13
Speaker 1: he did that, he made sure to pour the remaining
50:17
Speaker 1: mcswan sludge down his drain. And with the landlords out
50:23
Speaker 1: of the picture, John George Haig was being his usual flashy,
50:28
Speaker 1: showboating self, always splashing the cash, acting the gint and
50:34
Speaker 1: between selling off assets and collecting rent, he made about
50:38
Speaker 1: five thousand pounds, which in today's money is about two
50:45
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one thousand, eight hundred and eighteen pounds
50:50
Speaker 1: and twenty pence. So he also makes like another three
50:58
Speaker 1: grand like over the course of the next few years
51:02
Speaker 1: by cashing their pension checks. And if you were thinking
51:07
Speaker 1: that's enough, he's doing a lot of bad things. There's more.
51:12
Speaker 1: He's also cashing in Donald and Amy mcswan's pension checks,
51:19
Speaker 1: so he is raking in even more cash. But it
51:24
Speaker 1: is never enough. He is just fluttering it away. He's gambling,
51:32
Speaker 1: he's staying in expensive hotels, he's eating in high end
51:37
Speaker 1: restaurants and drinking in high class bars, and he always
51:42
Speaker 1: wants more. Like this boy puts the glut in gluttoney.
51:48
Speaker 1: That same year, he meets the managing director of Harsley
51:53
Speaker 1: Products Limited in Crawley, Edward Jones, So like this was
51:58
Speaker 1: an engineering and tool making business and they have a
52:02
Speaker 1: deal in exchange for running errands for Jones. He gets
52:06
Speaker 1: access to this storeroom. Now, this storeroom, it's in a
52:11
Speaker 1: construction yard. There's like there's like rubble all around and
52:17
Speaker 1: it's just this like one room. Unfortunately, this storeroom did
52:23
Speaker 1: not have a manhole or drain like his previous murder
52:27
Speaker 1: basement did. But he's like, yeah, that'll do, and he
52:32
Speaker 1: just needs to make more money the only way he
52:35
Speaker 1: knows how. Fraud and murder. This brings us to the
52:41
Speaker 1: Henderson's doctor Archibald and his wife Rosalie, who goes by Rose.
52:50
Speaker 1: So the pair had previously been married to Like other people,
52:55
Speaker 1: Rose had divorced Gimmer inventor Rudolph Erin in nineteen thirty seven,
53:00
Speaker 1: ten years prior, and well, Archibald's wife had died, and
53:07
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be blamed for thinking, well, that serendipitous. But yeah,
53:13
Speaker 1: Archie and Rosy had been having an affair four years
53:18
Speaker 1: and they got married after his previous wife became ill
53:23
Speaker 1: and died. What a surprise. The doctor's wife is dead
53:31
Speaker 1: and now he can marry his mistress. How convenient. And
53:37
Speaker 1: these two they enjoyed the high life, partying, spending money
53:44
Speaker 1: hand over fist, and their bank account was overdrawn, and
53:50
Speaker 1: because they're just constantly in need of more funds, they
53:56
Speaker 1: decided to sell a house that they had in nineteen
53:58
Speaker 1: forty seven. And they're selling this house for like eight grand,
54:06
Speaker 1: and they put an ad in the paper, and who
54:09
Speaker 1: shows up but John George Haig. He's a lot really
54:15
Speaker 1: interested in buying this house, and like they're selling it
54:21
Speaker 1: for like eight nine grand tops. And he shows up
54:26
Speaker 1: and he's like, like, he tells Rose that the house
54:31
Speaker 1: is worth more, let me buy you two grand extra
54:34
Speaker 1: for it. So instead of eight grand, he wants to
54:37
Speaker 1: give them ten grand. And he ends up like weaseling
54:43
Speaker 1: his way into their lives, and he's showing great interest
54:48
Speaker 1: in buying this house. And Rose tells her brother and
54:53
Speaker 1: his brother's like, he wants to pay you two thousand
54:56
Speaker 1: pounds more for this house that you've said is less.
55:02
Speaker 1: That's weird, that's suspicious. And Rose is like, no, it's not, No,
55:08
Speaker 1: it's not. He's just like knowing how much things are worth, okay. Ros.
55:15
Speaker 1: So he ends up charming his way into the Henderson's life.
55:19
Speaker 1: He's like and he's even like playing piano at like
55:23
Speaker 1: parties they're having. And at one point they're staying in
55:26
Speaker 1: this flat and they're staying in this flat and they
55:28
Speaker 1: get this housewarming party going and they invite him over,
55:33
Speaker 1: you know, so that he can wow all their guests
55:36
Speaker 1: with his piano forte, and he does. Now at this housewarming,
55:44
Speaker 1: he pill fills doctor Henderson's revolver. It is a thirty
55:50
Speaker 1: caliber Webley and he pockets it for use. Letter So
56:04
Speaker 1: by now John George Haig had moved himself into the
56:07
Speaker 1: Onslow Court Hotel in South Kensington, which is posh, right,
56:12
Speaker 1: It's a posh area of London. It's well to do.
56:16
Speaker 1: There's a lot of higher class folks in there, and
56:19
Speaker 1: he is surrounding himself, you know, with people who have money,
56:26
Speaker 1: maybe some titles, you know, just enough class to make
56:31
Speaker 1: him seem more respectable, because if he's staying in you know,
56:35
Speaker 1: this good hotel, then clearly he can afford to stay there. Meanwhile,
56:43
Speaker 1: he's out partying, flashing his cash, living the best life,
56:49
Speaker 1: just being an absolute bloody chad. And he's just hanging
56:55
Speaker 1: out with the Henderson's and they are party people, so
57:00
Speaker 1: they're hanging out and they're going to parties together. And
57:04
Speaker 1: here's the thing as well, John is spending considerably more
57:08
Speaker 1: time with Rose than he is the doctor. And they're
57:14
Speaker 1: staying in this hotel in Brighton, like they're just down
57:18
Speaker 1: to the sea side. They're having a good time. And
57:22
Speaker 1: on the twelfth of February nineteen forty eight, he drives
57:26
Speaker 1: Archibald out to his workshop slash storeroom in Crawley says
57:31
Speaker 1: he's got something to show him, and well, I mean
57:35
Speaker 1: he does. It's the barrel of his own gun. Not
57:40
Speaker 1: the pointy bit I mean, but also the pointy bit.
57:44
Speaker 1: It's not officially called the pointy bit it is. It
57:47
Speaker 1: is the barrel of the gun. It's the shooty outbit,
57:50
Speaker 1: the pointy anyway, he shoots doctor Archibald Henderson in the
57:55
Speaker 1: head and dumps him into a drum with sulfuric acid. Next,
58:01
Speaker 1: he goes back and gets Rose Henderson, saying that the
58:07
Speaker 1: doctored fallen ill and you know, she needs to come
58:10
Speaker 1: right away, and so she suffers the same fate as
58:16
Speaker 1: her husband. Anything valuable they had on their person, like
58:20
Speaker 1: that was gone. He took that with him. He goes
58:24
Speaker 1: back to the hotel room, clears it of all the valuables,
58:28
Speaker 1: and then pays the hotel bill and just gets the
58:31
Speaker 1: heck at a dodge like He even takes like one
58:35
Speaker 1: of Rosa's like really nice dresses and gives it to
58:39
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Barbara Stevens. Right, he gives her the gown
58:46
Speaker 1: of the women he murdered. He forged their signatures and
58:52
Speaker 1: sold off, you know, their assets for about eight thousand pounds,
58:56
Speaker 1: so you're talking like four hundred grand in today's money.
59:02
Speaker 1: He did, however, keep their car and their dog, like
59:07
Speaker 1: he'd grown fond of the dog. He's like, you're staying
59:10
Speaker 1: with me now, so.
59:12
Speaker 3: He takes it with him and the Henderson's well, they're
59:15
Speaker 3: party people and they have been known every now and
59:20
Speaker 3: again to skip a bill and to just go off
59:24
Speaker 3: and do their own thing.
59:26
Speaker 1: And for the most part they're not hugely missed, like
59:30
Speaker 1: just because of the circles they ran in and they
59:32
Speaker 1: were often just out and about. Except Rose's brother is like,
59:39
Speaker 1: where are they? They're missing, and he's like, we need
59:44
Speaker 1: to report the missing. We got to get what's going
59:46
Speaker 1: on here, and Haig tells him that they're not missing.
59:53
Speaker 1: They're in South Africa and they fled because doctor Archibald
59:58
Speaker 1: Henderson was performing illegal abortions, because all abortions at this
1:00:03
Speaker 1: point were illegal. So this is the whole idea that
1:00:07
Speaker 1: they've been doing this and they've had to leave the country.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: And he uses this as a way to just kind
1:00:14
Speaker 1: of just like William Donald mcswan, he's like, oh, he's
1:00:19
Speaker 1: off in Scotland to avoid conscription, Like there's that little
1:00:23
Speaker 1: bit of threat, there's that sort of oh, it's for
1:00:27
Speaker 1: their safety, they need to leave scenario, Like he's building
1:00:31
Speaker 1: this idea of like they have done something wrong, that
1:00:35
Speaker 1: his victims have committed a crime and that's why you
1:00:40
Speaker 1: can't find them. It's read about this time that an
1:00:45
Speaker 1: unfortunate accident happened to one of his cars, so he
1:00:53
Speaker 1: claims it was stolen, right, and then it is discovered
1:00:57
Speaker 1: smashed at the bottom of a cliff with a body nearby. Right.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: The body isn't identified, it's just another John Dole. But
1:01:07
Speaker 1: there's this crashed car. Now. He had told Barbara, you know,
1:01:16
Speaker 1: about this car, and he brought her to the cliff,
1:01:20
Speaker 1: showed her it, and then the car ends up being there,
1:01:24
Speaker 1: and she starts getting like a little bit wigged out
1:01:27
Speaker 1: by this. She's like, am I Like she thinks could
1:01:31
Speaker 1: this have been her? Could she have been that body? Like,
1:01:33
Speaker 1: you know, the seeds of doubt are starting to be sown.
1:01:38
Speaker 1: But he does this and he claims the insurance on
1:01:40
Speaker 1: the stolen car. Meanwhile, he is staying at the Onslow
1:01:47
Speaker 1: Court hotel in South Kensington. It's a posh place and
1:01:51
Speaker 1: he's not really the typical clientele. I mean, he's sort
1:01:56
Speaker 1: of odd to be there to begin with because this
1:01:59
Speaker 1: hotel most of the guests are widows. So yeah, a
1:02:05
Speaker 1: lot of wealthy widows are staying in this hotel, just
1:02:08
Speaker 1: living their lives. One such lady was Henrietta Olivia roberta
1:02:13
Speaker 1: duvant deacon. Now she just went by Olive. So her husband,
1:02:19
Speaker 1: a military hero, had died ten years earlier, and she
1:02:24
Speaker 1: had moved into the hotel four years later, So like
1:02:28
Speaker 1: four years after the death of her husband, she'd moved
1:02:30
Speaker 1: into the Onslow Court Hotel. Now, some women who were
1:02:34
Speaker 1: staying there they had lost their homes like in the
1:02:37
Speaker 1: Blitz and things like that, but they could afford to
1:02:41
Speaker 1: just move in and stay this hotel for as long
1:02:45
Speaker 1: as they liked. Right. Olive was sixty nine years old
1:02:51
Speaker 1: and punctual to a tea. She was never late with
1:02:55
Speaker 1: a bill. She stuck to her routine, and she was
1:02:59
Speaker 1: always considerate and compassionate to others, which even for a
1:03:05
Speaker 1: lady of her standing, like from being that little bit
1:03:08
Speaker 1: higher class, from being wealthy. You know, she was always
1:03:13
Speaker 1: offering a helping hand when it was needed. Now she's
1:03:18
Speaker 1: also always draped in finery, expensive jewelry and clothes. She's
1:03:26
Speaker 1: got furs, diamonds, the lot. Like, she's pretty decent for
1:03:33
Speaker 1: a high society lady in fairness, and you can tell
1:03:37
Speaker 1: that she's well to do by the way she carries
1:03:40
Speaker 1: herself and buy her just like very clearly rich attire.
1:03:47
Speaker 1: So he Key's at the hotel and he's being flashy,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: a charmer swave, some might say in some women, like
1:03:56
Speaker 1: some residents, they see right through him, right, they see
1:03:59
Speaker 1: right was bullshit. Others not so much, Like some people
1:04:06
Speaker 1: just see him as like he's just some dude. It's fine.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: And so Olive starts chatting to him because she thinks
1:04:14
Speaker 1: he's a businessman who can help her out with her
1:04:17
Speaker 1: invention false nails. He tells her that he can improve
1:04:23
Speaker 1: her idea and sell it and that he's got a
1:04:26
Speaker 1: prototype at his workshop in Crawley. So like they've been
1:04:31
Speaker 1: chatting for a while, there's been like a rapport building
1:04:34
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, let me show you this, because
1:04:37
Speaker 1: like he's not flirting with her, he's not acting out
1:04:40
Speaker 1: with her. He's just you know, oh, a business proposition.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Let's do this. So on the eighteenth of February nineteen
1:04:49
Speaker 1: forty nine, he drives her to the storeroom and like
1:04:54
Speaker 1: it's on a construction yard in Crawley, and this is
1:04:59
Speaker 1: a fancy lady dicked out with fuzzs and heels like,
1:05:05
Speaker 1: if you're ever gonna notice somebody at a construction yard,
1:05:08
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the lady and the diamonds and the
1:05:12
Speaker 1: fur Okay, I feel like we're gonna notice that. So
1:05:18
Speaker 1: he tells her to go into the storeroom. He's right
1:05:21
Speaker 1: behind her, so as she steps in, he walks behind
1:05:26
Speaker 1: her and shoots her in the back of the head. Yes,
1:05:30
Speaker 1: with doctor Arthrobald Henderson's revolver. He strips her of her finery,
1:05:37
Speaker 1: of her valuables, and then puts her in a drum
1:05:41
Speaker 1: ful of acid. He does take the fur coat with him.
1:05:46
Speaker 1: He does take that, but you know, it's dirty. There's
1:05:50
Speaker 1: a bit of blood, some dust, probably some brain matter
1:05:53
Speaker 1: on it, and so he needs to get it cleaned
1:05:57
Speaker 1: if he wants to flog it, or you know, if
1:05:59
Speaker 1: you want to give it to his girlfriend. Now with
1:06:02
Speaker 1: the eggs, previous victims, I mean, they're all crowns of convenience, right,
1:06:06
Speaker 1: They're all to suit him. It's not for a love
1:06:08
Speaker 1: of killing, it's for greed. It's for money. And he
1:06:12
Speaker 1: picks people typically who don't have a huge social circle,
1:06:17
Speaker 1: people who it wouldn't be surprising if you know, they
1:06:20
Speaker 1: weren't around or seen on the daily you know. And
1:06:25
Speaker 1: that's probably his biggest mistake here, one of there's a
1:06:30
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes here. It's just one fuck up after
1:06:33
Speaker 1: another at this point. So the very next morning, when
1:06:38
Speaker 1: the prompt and punctual widowed Urantakin doesn't show up for breakfast,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: it's noticed if all I've ever intended to miss a meal,
1:06:49
Speaker 1: especially something like breakfast or like a lunch with the ladies,
1:06:54
Speaker 1: like she would get that information to them beforehand, like
1:06:57
Speaker 1: that is something she did. She was very up on etiquette.
1:07:02
Speaker 1: And so people are like a bit weird that she's
1:07:06
Speaker 1: not there, like it's odd not to see her and
1:07:10
Speaker 1: for no one to know why she's not there. And
1:07:14
Speaker 1: it's so noticeable that John George Haig even asks Constance Lyne,
1:07:20
Speaker 1: another resident in the hotel, if she has seen Olive. Now. Constance,
1:07:26
Speaker 1: who's also a sixty nine year old widow, fucking hated
1:07:30
Speaker 1: John George Haig. She thought he was a sneaky, sleeky,
1:07:35
Speaker 1: conniving weasel, and so like her hackles are up and
1:07:40
Speaker 1: she goes to investigate, and she sees that Olive's bed
1:07:44
Speaker 1: hasn't been slept in so feeling very suspicious, she reports
1:07:50
Speaker 1: her disappearance to the police. Now, being a high class lady,
1:07:56
Speaker 1: the widow of a military hero and staying in a
1:08:00
Speaker 1: prominent hotel in London, the police actually investigate. They talked
1:08:06
Speaker 1: to the ladies who would have met Olive for tea,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: They check to the owner and the staff of the hotel,
1:08:12
Speaker 1: and they even look into the guests. So it's not
1:08:17
Speaker 1: long before they discover that Haig was in arrears up
1:08:20
Speaker 1: until a few days prior. Like the owner starts telling
1:08:25
Speaker 1: them that, you know, she was always very prompt, she
1:08:28
Speaker 1: always paid everything like then and there she never had
1:08:33
Speaker 1: a debt. And John, on the other hand, he would
1:08:38
Speaker 1: have to be chased for every bill, and he was
1:08:41
Speaker 1: often just like often in arrears and then he would
1:08:45
Speaker 1: just suddenly find a lump some from somewhere pay it
1:08:48
Speaker 1: off and then the process would start again. And there's
1:08:52
Speaker 1: also a lot of chat that John and Olive had
1:08:55
Speaker 1: lunch the very day she went missing. One of the
1:09:00
Speaker 1: things the bobbys found odd is that the hotel hosts
1:09:03
Speaker 1: mainly widows, and then this motherfucker's there. On the twenty
1:09:09
Speaker 1: eighth of February nineteen forty nine, detectives take him down
1:09:13
Speaker 1: to the station for questioning, and he goes with them
1:09:16
Speaker 1: because they're like, hey, we've got some questions. Can you
1:09:18
Speaker 1: help us with this, And he's like, sure, I'll definitely
1:09:22
Speaker 1: come help you. But it does not go the way
1:09:26
Speaker 1: they think it'll go. Now they had discovered like his
1:09:29
Speaker 1: history of like fraud and theft, and they're like, Okay,
1:09:33
Speaker 1: this dude is clearly suspicious. Let's get him down. And
1:09:38
Speaker 1: the first thing he does is admit to robbing olive
1:09:43
Speaker 1: Like he's saying that he stole her coat and her jewelry. Basically,
1:09:49
Speaker 1: they had searched and found like the dry cleaning slip
1:09:52
Speaker 1: for the coat. They collected the coat, and then they
1:09:55
Speaker 1: found her jewelry and a bunch of other stuff in
1:09:58
Speaker 1: his attache case, along with and I shit you not
1:10:02
Speaker 1: papers regarding the Hendersons and the mix Ones. Their investigation
1:10:09
Speaker 1: also leads them to the Crawley storeroom, which, lets we forget,
1:10:14
Speaker 1: did not have a drain or a manhole, So instead
1:10:21
Speaker 1: of disposing of the remains in a semi reasonable fashion,
1:10:28
Speaker 1: like instead of actually disposing, what heg did was just
1:10:36
Speaker 1: pour the corpse go onto rubble in the construction yard.
1:10:45
Speaker 1: And so as they are, you know, searching, they find
1:10:49
Speaker 1: like on the rubble, twenty eight pounds of body fat,
1:10:55
Speaker 1: human body fat, a partial foot, a hatpin, some gallstones,
1:11:04
Speaker 1: and dentures, dentures that all lives dentists is able to
1:11:09
Speaker 1: identify as hers. So he ends up confessing, right, he
1:11:17
Speaker 1: confesses to the whole thing because he doesn't understand the
1:11:21
Speaker 1: law like they basically misunderstood law and body evidence. He's like,
1:11:27
Speaker 1: no body, no crime, corpus s delecte, So corpus s deelectay.
1:11:34
Speaker 1: What it means is like the body of the crime.
1:11:38
Speaker 1: It's like the basic proof that a crime actually happened.
1:11:43
Speaker 1: It does not mean a literal dead body, except for
1:11:47
Speaker 1: those times where there is in fact a literal dead body.
1:11:52
Speaker 1: It's basically just about the evidence that ties you to
1:11:55
Speaker 1: the crime. And so HeiG confesses to the whole thing
1:12:00
Speaker 1: places dates because he thinks they cannot prosecute him without
1:12:06
Speaker 1: an actual whole human corpse, as if he doesn't have
1:12:11
Speaker 1: a whole ass paper trail behind him. When it clicks
1:12:17
Speaker 1: that he can be convicted of the crimes that he committed,
1:12:21
Speaker 1: he starts asking about broad more the infamous mental institution
1:12:27
Speaker 1: or lunatic asylum depending on the era we're talking about,
1:12:32
Speaker 1: like the famous English mental institution. He's like, how often
1:12:38
Speaker 1: do people get released from there? And then he starts
1:12:42
Speaker 1: acting a little bit crazy. He starts like rewriting his
1:12:47
Speaker 1: own history. He's like he was killing his victims and
1:12:51
Speaker 1: drinking their blood, that he was full of blood lust
1:12:54
Speaker 1: and he just needed his blood thirst quenched, like he's
1:12:59
Speaker 1: the vamp of Red rinding up there. And he's like,
1:13:02
Speaker 1: oh no, the South Kensington vampire Getty fuck Poal. He
1:13:08
Speaker 1: says that this was his motivation for murderer, a thirst
1:13:13
Speaker 1: for blood, not his greed. It's such a lazy trek
1:13:19
Speaker 1: as well though. He's like, oh no, I'm crazy now.
1:13:24
Speaker 2: No.
1:13:26
Speaker 1: So he goes to court at loser sizes and it
1:13:30
Speaker 1: took the jury a grand total of seventeen minutes to
1:13:35
Speaker 1: find him guilty, and the judge, mister Justice Humphries, sentenced
1:13:41
Speaker 1: him to death and he was hanged on the tenth
1:13:47
Speaker 1: of August nineteen forty nine by famous executioner Albert pierpont.
1:13:56
Speaker 2: So.
1:13:57
Speaker 1: Before we go, John George had claimed that he had
1:14:01
Speaker 1: three more victims. Now, there was not enough invo to
1:14:05
Speaker 1: confirm this. But he confessed to killing a girl from
1:14:09
Speaker 1: Eastbourne in Sussex, killing a woman from Hammersmith in London,
1:14:15
Speaker 1: and killing a young man named Max. He doesn't say
1:14:19
Speaker 1: from where, Like he doesn't say like this is maybe
1:14:23
Speaker 1: like the body with the car, Like he just says
1:14:26
Speaker 1: he's killed them, but there's nothing really else there. Now
1:14:30
Speaker 1: he could have confessed to killing these as a sort
1:14:32
Speaker 1: of oh my blood lust, but also he could have
1:14:37
Speaker 1: stolen from them if they had something of value to him.
1:14:43
Speaker 1: But yeah, he is hanged by the neck until dead
1:14:47
Speaker 1: on the tenth of August nineteen forty nine, and then
1:14:52
Speaker 1: his body yeah well yeah, So when it came to
1:14:57
Speaker 1: executions in England, is especially in sort of the mid
1:15:02
Speaker 1: twentieth century, like their bodies were handled in this sort
1:15:09
Speaker 1: of standardized manner and it was basically part of the
1:15:14
Speaker 1: Capital Punishment Amendment Act of eighteen sixty eight, so they
1:15:19
Speaker 1: would not be returned to families, like if you were
1:15:22
Speaker 1: an executed criminal, your body would not be returned and
1:15:26
Speaker 1: like in Wandsworth Prison where John George Haig was executed,
1:15:32
Speaker 1: like his body would have been buried in an unmarked
1:15:36
Speaker 1: grave like in the prison, Like that's what they did
1:15:39
Speaker 1: and so that was sort of very common there. So
1:15:43
Speaker 1: I know what happened in Wandsworth, Pentonville and strange ways. Now,
1:15:50
Speaker 1: there is a thing that happened after nineteen forty nine,
1:15:54
Speaker 1: which was, like in nineteen forty nine the Royal Commission
1:15:58
Speaker 1: on Capital Punishment was set up, and so this ran
1:16:01
Speaker 1: between like forty and fifty three, so over the next
1:16:05
Speaker 1: four years, and it recommended that cremation should be considered
1:16:10
Speaker 1: like instead of like being buried within the prison walls. Now,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: this didn't come into play till later, so he would
1:16:18
Speaker 1: have just been executed and then buried in an unmarked grave,
1:16:22
Speaker 1: which is like, I think, fine, if you've been convicted
1:16:26
Speaker 1: and are definitely guilty of murdering six people, you know
1:16:30
Speaker 1: at least. But yeah, so ends the story of John
1:16:36
Speaker 1: George Haig, a murderer with surprisingly three names. Most of
1:16:41
Speaker 1: them do like three names. If they were junior it's
1:16:45
Speaker 1: even worse. Just one of those things.
1:16:48
Speaker 2: No.
1:16:49
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I wanted to cover this
1:16:50
Speaker 1: story for nineteen forties crime is that the last like
1:16:55
Speaker 1: two terrible tales of nineteen forties crime that we've covered,
1:17:01
Speaker 1: they had no resolution. There was no person caught for
1:17:06
Speaker 1: the Crime, nobody sort of faced that judgment, and I
1:17:10
Speaker 1: think it's good to know that sometimes the villain does
1:17:14
Speaker 1: get their comeuppance. And it's nice to have something finished
1:17:18
Speaker 1: and sealed and closed, you know, and it's just there,
1:17:24
Speaker 1: and I think that's very good. Now. I want to
1:17:29
Speaker 1: everyone to appreciate how many jokes I didn't make during
1:17:31
Speaker 1: this episode because I have such gallows humor, and I
1:17:35
Speaker 1: listened to True Crime to relax. But says me who
1:17:42
Speaker 1: when I was doing the texta kind of Moonlight Murders,
1:17:44
Speaker 1: was very aware of just how large my kitchen windows are.
1:17:48
Speaker 1: Her and I'm here at night going I don't like
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Speaker 1: the sound of that. When it's probably just like the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood cat that likes to hang out outside. I started
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Speaker 1: feeling it, so I feel like it's a rot off
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Speaker 1: my own back at this point. But yeah, if you've
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Speaker 1: made it this far, I'm feeding a cat that isn't mine.
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Speaker 1: I get tickets to the Bill fa Show, Come and
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Speaker 1: see me. It'll be fun, and yeah, there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a jebber jabber happening, just some gibber
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Speaker 1: jabber fun. And I think I think you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: into it. But you know what it's time for is
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Speaker 1: recommendations time for reading. You're gonna be shocked. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: recommend the talented Mesta Ripley for watching The Seven Dials Mystery.
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Speaker 1: I love me some Agatha Christie. I was eating My
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Speaker 1: World's Originals. I was watching my Agatha Christie. I had
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Speaker 1: a great time. It's something I actually really love is
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Speaker 1: when they do that little flip where they change the
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Speaker 1: story enough, just enough, Because if you've read the books
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Speaker 1: and you've like seen all of the stuff for years,
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Speaker 1: it's good to have just a little flip. I don't
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Speaker 1: need it to be the most like correct adaptation at
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Speaker 1: this point, because there's been so many. I don't mind
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Speaker 1: a little creativity as long as it stays true to, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, the core of Christie, you know what I mean. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: So listening, I've been listening to Blondie this week. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why I've decided that one of Blondie's songs
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Speaker 1: is gonna be my karaoke song just because it's short.
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Speaker 1: But that's that. So with that, I am going to
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Speaker 1: bid you good night. Adios au revoir avenazen my Friends
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