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Credlin | 2 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening.
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Speaker 3: He's what's coming up tonight on Kredlin no longer hiding
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Speaker 3: behind its terrorist proxies around fires, a barrage of missiles
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Speaker 3: into Israel overnight. Greg Sheridan joins me. We'll go across
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Speaker 3: the latest as the world reacts to a region on
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Speaker 3: a knife edge.
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Speaker 2: Of this evening action at least in.
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Speaker 3: New South Wales's stampoud further anti Israel protests this weekend,
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Speaker 3: but in Victoria the response from the Premier and the
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Speaker 3: police much more mixed. Now do we need more laws
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Speaker 3: or just leaders willing to enforce the laws we have?
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Speaker 3: And is it time now to list Iran's revolutionary regard
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Speaker 3: as a terror group? Senator James Patterson coming up. Plus
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Speaker 3: I'll get into the reaction from the first and only
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Speaker 3: vice presidential debate today JD. Advance wiping the floor with
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Speaker 3: his opponent as yet again questions about moderator bias and
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Speaker 3: serious concern today that Labor has abandoned decades of by
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Speaker 3: partisan support for Israel. As both the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister continue with their double speak as conflict escalates.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has walked away from a bipartisan position
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Speaker 4: adopted by every one of his predecessors. It seems to
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Speaker 4: me that the Prime Minister and Penny Woman at the
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Speaker 4: moment are making decisions that are of political benefit to
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Speaker 4: them domestically, but which are not in our national interest.
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Speaker 3: But first, the conflict in the Middle East is it
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Speaker 3: dramatically expose the leadership failures of the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 3: his government. Although Israel is the only functioning liberal democracy
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Speaker 3: in the Middle East and its attackers are the terror
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Speaker 3: groups Humas and Hezbollah, now to the terror state Iran, appallingly,
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Speaker 3: the Albanezi government has trouble working out whose side it's on.
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Speaker 3: This morning, the Albanezer government Minister Murray What could not
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Speaker 3: even concede that Israel's limited ground invasion of southern Leven
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Speaker 3: was an entirely legitimate exercise in self defense after Hezbolah
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Speaker 3: rained down some nine thousand rockets on Israel from its
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Speaker 3: Lebanese haven.
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Speaker 5: We have already seen far too many civilians kills in
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Speaker 5: the conflict around Gaza. We're deeply concerned about the risk
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Speaker 5: of more civilian deaths in and around Lebanon, and this
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Speaker 5: needs an effort from the international community to bring this
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Speaker 5: to an end, to have an immediate ceasepire and Australia
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Speaker 5: is very willing to play our part and getting to
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Speaker 5: that point.
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Speaker 2: Gutlass and weak.
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Speaker 3: And here's the Prime Minister likewise calling for de escalation
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Speaker 3: and ceasefires rather than backing Israel's right to degrade terror infrastructure.
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Speaker 4: Doth Israel have the right to send troops into Lebanon.
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Speaker 6: What we want to do is to reiterate the call
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Speaker 6: that we have. Israel, of course has a right to
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Speaker 6: defend itself. What we have called for consistently is for
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Speaker 6: a de escalation. Diplomacy, however, cannot succeed amid an escalation
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Speaker 6: of this conflict.
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Speaker 3: And while the Prime Minister today accepted there should not
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Speaker 3: be pro Hamas pro Hesbela protests on the anniversary of
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Speaker 3: the atrocities of October seven, it's hard to see this
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Speaker 3: government taking any decisive action to stop them. I've had
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Speaker 3: virtually no arrests, no anti Semitic protests have been broken
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Speaker 3: up in the twelve months, and no clear, unqualified statement
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Speaker 3: in favor of Israel has been made at any stage
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Speaker 3: since Hummas launched its brutal assault twelve months ago, raping,
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Speaker 3: burning and decapitating women and children, taking two hundred hostages
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Speaker 3: deep into Gaza into its network of tunnels for further
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Speaker 3: torture and political training.
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Speaker 2: Winston Churchill famously.
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Speaker 3: Declared a decline to lead to be impartial between the
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Speaker 3: fire brigade and the fire How far we in the
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Speaker 3: West have fallen.
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Speaker 2: Since then since Churchill.
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Speaker 3: To now have leaders unable to support a democracy fighting
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Speaker 3: for its very existence and for the lives literally of
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Speaker 3: its people against a coordinated terrorist axis. Imagine if Albanesi
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Speaker 3: was in charge of US during the Second World War,
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Speaker 3: no doubt would all be speaking Japanese or worse, given
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Speaker 3: how weak he is in the way in which his
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Speaker 3: government is. Foreign minister in particular have ripped apart decades
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Speaker 3: of considered bipartisanship on Israel and the Middle East. Remember,
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Speaker 3: this government has been entirely soup pine in the face
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Speaker 3: of constant celebration of terrorism from the very outset of
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Speaker 3: this latest assault on Israel right back to the twelve
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Speaker 3: months ago period. Twelve months ago, of course, on Monday,
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Speaker 3: it was bad enough there for Australians to celebrate a
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Speaker 3: terrorist outrage. But now we've got Australians spilling out of
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Speaker 3: Sydney mosques mourning and commemorating a dead terrorist mastermind. Here's
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Speaker 3: images out of some of the mosques that have held
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Speaker 3: events to honor the dead Nasrullah, the leader of a
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Speaker 3: listed terror group responsible for the slaughter of thousands. In
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Speaker 3: translations published in the media today and Nasrulla is eulogized
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Speaker 3: as an i quote, a supporter of the oppressed, with
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Speaker 3: a timeless legacy forging a path for future generations that
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Speaker 3: will shake up or will shake the thrones of injustice everywhere. Now,
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Speaker 3: when Islima bin Laden was killed, thankfully killed in twenty eleven,
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Speaker 3: there were no Australian crowds mourning his passing. What's happened
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Speaker 3: to our country in just thirteen years to bring about
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Speaker 3: this horrific change where the depths of terror leaders are
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Speaker 3: to be mourned rather than welcomed, and we're killing terrorists
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Speaker 3: is somehow wrong rather than an.
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Speaker 2: Act of justice plainly.
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Speaker 3: One change is an increase in poorly integrated migrants from
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Speaker 3: the Middle East and other countries where Islamist indoctrination is common. Typically,
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Speaker 3: the Omenezer government wants more of this.
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Speaker 2: They want more of it.
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Speaker 3: With its almost incomprehensible plan to allow in three thousand
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Speaker 3: poorly vetted migrants from the terror controlled war zone. But
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Speaker 3: another change is the general absence of political and institutional
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Speaker 3: leadership that knows the difference between right and wrong and
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Speaker 3: has the strength to act on it.
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Speaker 2: What is wrong with our.
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Speaker 3: Police that they can't seize terrorist flags, they can't stop
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Speaker 3: terrorist exhortations, they can't break up terrorist demos. Yesterday an
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Speaker 3: AFP a Bity commissioner was out there hand ringing about
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Speaker 3: the supposed inadequacy of the law.
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Speaker 7: It's not just mere waving a flag. We need to
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Speaker 7: look at what were they saying, were they chanting, what
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Speaker 7: were they wearing? What was their physical demeanor. We need
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Speaker 7: to be able to prove that a reasonable person would
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Speaker 7: consider that that conduct was inciting or you know, advocating
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Speaker 7: violence or hatred.
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Speaker 3: Well, I leave through Melbourn's lockdown, so please, then, didn't
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Speaker 3: need special laws to break up with extreme vigor the
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Speaker 3: freedom protests that marked the tail end of the pandemic.
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Speaker 8: Media crying stuff now and okay they're siting they're our shooting.
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Speaker 3: Ooh, that's rubber bullets on Melbourne's war memorial and I'm
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Speaker 3: sure they wouldn't need special laws to break up a
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Speaker 3: white supremacist protest should such an abomination take place. This
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Speaker 3: is the gutlessness that infects all authority. After a generation
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Speaker 3: of educational indoctrination about whitesetl the privilege, plus a government
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Speaker 3: that's ethically and morally confused because it's worried about Muslim
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Speaker 3: votes in key seats in Western Sydney, the current government
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Speaker 3: is swiftly degenerating into an epic failure. It's all but
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Speaker 3: given up on growing the economy. It's spending like a
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Speaker 3: drunken sailor. It's using record high migration to avoid a
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Speaker 3: technical recession despite the consequences of housing.
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Speaker 2: It's putting our power supply at risk.
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Speaker 3: It's obsessed with identity, not unity, and now it's helpless
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Speaker 3: in the face of growing racist and extremist tension because
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Speaker 3: it lacks the moral backbone to take a stand for
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Speaker 3: what is right and against what is wrong, because there
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Speaker 3: is a right and wrong here, and yet all the
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Speaker 3: way along we've been led by a man who can't
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Speaker 3: see that that goes out of his way to create
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Speaker 3: some sort of moral equivalents whenever the crimes against Israel
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Speaker 3: are debated whenever anti Semitism is raised, the way he
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Speaker 3: almost always mentions Islamophobia in the same breath as anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a case endpoint.
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Speaker 3: And yet it's only the Jews that bear the generational
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Speaker 3: loss of six million of their flesh and blood because
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Speaker 3: of hate against their people.
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Speaker 2: There's no moral equivalence to that.
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Speaker 3: There's no scar in history equal to the scar that
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Speaker 3: every Jew lives with today. Whatever you think of Israel's
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Speaker 3: Prime minister, he is on his country side. When he
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Speaker 3: says never again will you be slaughtered with impunity, you
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Speaker 3: know he means it.
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Speaker 9: Uran made a major mistaque this evening, and it will
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Speaker 9: pay for it. The regime in Iran just doesn't understand
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Speaker 9: our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate
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Speaker 9: to our enemies.
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Speaker 3: Our government, by contrast, well, we lecture our friends and
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Speaker 3: appease our enemies. I know it's a simple line, but
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Speaker 3: in politics, simplicity is everything.
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Speaker 2: Leaders lead.
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Speaker 3: You might not know leadership when you sey it, but
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Speaker 3: by God, you know when it's absent. And that's sadly
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Speaker 3: where we are tonight in this country, if not the
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Speaker 3: wider west. All right, lots around today. Let's get the headlines.
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Speaker 3: Scott News political reporter cam Rennan good Eve.
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Speaker 10: The Prime Minister has been accused of walking away from
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Speaker 10: global support for Israel by calling for a diplomatic solution
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Speaker 10: to the Middle East conflict as global leaders back Israel's
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Speaker 10: ground invasion of Lebanon.
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Speaker 11: We start with Israel.
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Speaker 4: The United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of Israel.
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Speaker 10: The Foreign Minister instead demands an urgent diplomatic solution and
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Speaker 10: an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon and Gaza.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has walked away from a bipartisan position.
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Speaker 10: Unions are calling to scrap the junior rates of pay,
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Speaker 10: a move that would give a wage rise to more
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Speaker 10: than half a million teenagers. Under current laws, young workers
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Speaker 10: in pharmacy, retail and fast food jobs are paid at
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Speaker 10: a fraction of the adult rate until the age of
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Speaker 10: twenty one.
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Speaker 5: We'll obviously consult with people in the run up to
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Speaker 5: the election that my priority is betting down the very
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Speaker 5: substantial reforms that we've already made.
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Speaker 10: Labour has though committed to a review of its Secure Jobs,
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Speaker 10: Better Pay laws, a move welcomed by the business community.
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Speaker 10: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, we're good. A lot to get through.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in my panel, Sky News host, National affairs
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Speaker 3: editor for the Dandy Telegraph, James Morrow, and senior fellow
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Speaker 3: at the Menzies Research Center Nikata. Will start with that
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Speaker 3: damning front page of the Australian newspaper today. I don't
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Speaker 3: think it gets any worse than this for you when
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Speaker 3: you are in government. It reports, of course, at Australia
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Speaker 3: breaking ranks with the US by refusing to recognize the
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Speaker 3: need to dismantle hes Bala strike capability against Israel. The
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Speaker 3: PM today dodging questions over whether his government actually supported
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Speaker 3: Israel's fight to dismantle Hesbalah Peter Darnton accusing him of
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Speaker 3: abandoning bipartisanship and support for Israel. Now, James us is
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Speaker 3: one of our closest allies. They were un'nequivocal today even
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Speaker 3: Biden was strong pretty much the same word out of
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Speaker 3: the UK, but not so Australia.
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Speaker 12: Peter, I don't even know where to begin with this.
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Speaker 12: This is probably one of the worst derelictions of foreign
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Speaker 12: policy I've seen by this government over the past two years.
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Speaker 12: There have been quite a few, I think you'd agree
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Speaker 12: just to you know, put everybody in the frame here.
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Speaker 12: The US Secretary Defense, Lloyd Austin said, you know, getting
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Speaker 12: rid of Hesbalan, so the Lebanon is a good thing objectively.
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Speaker 12: Israel said, that's what we're gonna do, and Albin easy
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Speaker 12: shilly Shlley's around the whole thing is says, look, we
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Speaker 12: just want de escalation, We want everybody to get along,
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Speaker 12: you know, we need to just sort of break the
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Speaker 12: cycle of violence, all those sorts of wishy washy terms.
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Speaker 12: And it's like they just don't get it. It's like
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Speaker 12: Albinizi and Penny Wong do not get the existential fight
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Speaker 12: that a Israel is in here, but b what that
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Speaker 12: fight means for the rest of the Western world, including Australia.
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Speaker 12: You know, people talk about Israel being you know, one
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Speaker 12: of a few democracies that are really on the line
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Speaker 12: here Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan, and it's like, where is Australia
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Speaker 12: in this fight? Oh no, no, let's just dial things down.
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Speaker 12: And all that means is giving Hasbalah and I Ran
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Speaker 12: more time to rearm and regroup rather than letting Israel
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Speaker 12: finish the job.
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Speaker 3: In news Sooth whiles Nick. Police have applied to the
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Speaker 3: Supreme Court. They want to block two pro Palestine rallies
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Speaker 3: could be proho masks, could be protest Bala as well
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Speaker 3: plan to coincide with the October seven anniversary on Sunday
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Speaker 3: and Monday. The move by police has been backed by
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Speaker 3: the Premier.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 13: At the end of the day, the police didn't believe
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Speaker 13: that the march and protest could be done safely on
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Speaker 13: Sydney streets and as a result they believe they had
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Speaker 13: no alternative but to make that application in the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 13: I want to make it clear we completely support police's decision.
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Speaker 2: Now this has become a habit with me.
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Speaker 3: I'm paying credit again to Chris Means all credit to
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Speaker 3: him with those strong words of condemnation today, Nick. But
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Speaker 3: I'm also reading this growing gulf between the labor right,
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Speaker 3: men like Men's and the labor left. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Wong others like Victoria is just into al and I
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Speaker 3: think this is something that we've got to watch very carefully.
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Speaker 14: This has been brewing for a decade or more. Peter
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Speaker 14: within the Labor Party, the faction, the left wing faction
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Speaker 14: that wanted to move away from Israel, and you know
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Speaker 14: the people in the Labor Party, and I'd mentioned great
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Speaker 14: people like leaders like Julia Gillard and Bill Shorten that
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Speaker 14: were wedded to Israel, that recognized that they are the
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Speaker 14: bastion of freedom in the Middle East. We have to
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Speaker 14: support them, we have to. We are we are also
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Speaker 14: a small country that's surrounded by nasty neighbors, so we
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Speaker 14: we have every reason why we need to back them. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 14: I think when you go back and look at what
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Speaker 14: Adney Albanezi was saying, and if you look back the
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Speaker 14: handside from the early two thousands when he was a backbencher,
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Speaker 14: he was making, you know, undergraduate, morally confused speeches about Israel.
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Speaker 14: Back then, I think we all hoped he'd moved on,
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Speaker 14: he'd grown up. I honestly don't think he's read the
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Speaker 14: foreign pages of any newspaper for the last twenty years,
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Speaker 14: because if he did, he'd know what an absolute menace
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Speaker 14: has Blaraa and Israel's Norden border, how they've been shelling
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Speaker 14: innocent civilians and keeping that constant at tension, and Israel
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Speaker 14: is not only right to do so, but he's doing so,
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Speaker 14: in my opinion, very very well. Indeed is doing so
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Speaker 14: in with as much precision as it can in those circumstances.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the ABC, because of course there was
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Speaker 3: that exchange yesterday between the Opposition leader Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 3: this ABC reporter.
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Speaker 7: I determined the fact that.
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Speaker 4: Even though it's a million where are you from, I'm
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Speaker 4: sorry which organization ABC? I had presumed up until this
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Speaker 4: point at least that the ABC supported the government's laws,
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Speaker 4: and the government has passed laws supported on a bipartisan basis,
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Speaker 4: but not by the ABC. It seems in relation to
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Speaker 4: the prescribing or the listing of a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 3: Worth playing again because I am staggered by it. They've
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Speaker 3: since released a statement James saying that the questions were quote,
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Speaker 3: not a piece of reporting nor a position taken by
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Speaker 3: the ABC. Hesbala, they say, is listed as a terrorist
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Speaker 3: organization by the Australian government and the ABC recognizes that
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Speaker 3: in its coverage. Now I have to say I watched
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Speaker 3: a lot of footage over the weekend about the protests.
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Speaker 3: The ABC did not go out of its way to
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Speaker 3: mention that there were hes BLA flags in evidence that
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Speaker 3: they were eulogizing Nasrullah either some of these protesters. I mean,
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Speaker 3: how much longer are we supposed to look past this
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Speaker 3: activism from our national broadcaster?
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Speaker 12: Well, look, I don't think we should look past it
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Speaker 12: any longer. And you know there's more to that clip too,
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Speaker 12: where the journalist involved was saying, well, try and draw
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Speaker 12: moral equivalents between the hes Baala flag and the Israeli flags,
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Speaker 12: saying well, the Israelis have killed a bunch of people,
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Speaker 12: you know, in Gaza in defending themselves against Hamas. It
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Speaker 12: must be added, and it just goes to show it's
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Speaker 12: this real sort of undergraduate thinking that has infected so
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Speaker 12: many of our institutions, whether it's Penny Wong's office or
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Speaker 12: the EBC. And I think that it is so out
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Speaker 12: of touch with mainstream Australia. It is out of touch
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Speaker 12: with where I think most Australians are. The ABC has
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Speaker 12: a chartered duty to represent Australia and Australians and I
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Speaker 12: think it is failing willfully.
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Speaker 2: Can I get you a right take place too? If
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Speaker 2: I can?
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Speaker 3: James on this debate today, the VP debate between Minnesota
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Speaker 3: Governor Tim Walls, Ohio Senator jd Vance, I mean I
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Speaker 3: watched the whole thing. I know you did too. There
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Speaker 3: was talk about the moderators being biased. There was a
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Speaker 3: bit there, but certainly not as bad as a debate
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Speaker 3: between Harris and Trump.
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Speaker 2: But a lot came out of it.
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Speaker 3: I think the incompetence of you know, undercooked nature of
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Speaker 3: Wall and his policy pronouncements, but also this mistruth about
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Speaker 3: being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square massacre.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of things?
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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, look, it was a fascinating debate, Peter, and
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Speaker 12: it was really characterized, I think by really interesting civility
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Speaker 12: and it was great to see a debate that was
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Speaker 12: largely about policy and not personality for once. That said,
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Speaker 12: I think Tim Walls really revealed himself to be very
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Speaker 12: much out of his depth. And let's don't forget they
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Speaker 12: plucked him out of obscurity the Harris campaign just at
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Speaker 12: the very last minute, because they needed a running mate
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Speaker 12: for Kamala Harris when she was elevated without a single
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Speaker 12: primary vote to the Democrat candidate after Joe Biden decided
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Speaker 12: to withdraw from this year's race. So there was a
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Speaker 12: lot of weird things out of Tim Wallas. We've talked
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Speaker 12: about Tim Wallas's weirdness before. But they caught him out
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Speaker 12: on this thing where he claimed that he was in
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Speaker 12: Hong Kong in nineteen eighty nine with Teneman Square riots
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Speaker 12: took place. He gave a two minute, rambling non answer
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Speaker 12: in which he just basically said, well, I'm a bit
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Speaker 12: of a knucklehead sometimes that's his words, not mine. He
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Speaker 12: called himself a knucklehead. But it just didn't work. It
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Speaker 12: didn't land, and I think, you know, even commentators at
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Speaker 12: places like CNN and The Washington Post agreed that JD.
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Speaker 12: Vance delivered an incredibly impressive performance. And I think, no
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Speaker 12: matter what happens in November, he made a real name
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Speaker 12: for himself tonight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the notable polster.
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Speaker 3: And he's not normally considered to be a friend of
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Speaker 3: the Republicans. Frank Launz, he was doing focus groups during
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Speaker 3: the debate. He found twelve to two in favor of JD.
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Speaker 2: Evans.
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Speaker 3: After it was all over, Nick Cata, I mean, they
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Speaker 3: haven't got a lot of time to go. I appreciate that,
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Speaker 3: but you know, you'd be putting more of the Vance
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Speaker 3: you know, message out there at the moment and that
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Speaker 3: discipline than perhaps Trump.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so, Peter. Look, I mean, I think
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Speaker 14: Kamlo Harrish and her running mate had their chance when
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Speaker 14: she became the candidate. She had clear air on virtually
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Speaker 14: every news channel in America. She was able to make
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Speaker 14: her impression. She wasn't able to do so she's missed
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Speaker 14: that chance. So I think this is a high water
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Speaker 14: mark for her. Whether she can hold on and win
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Speaker 14: is looking in my view, more and more doubtful. And
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Speaker 14: of course you wouldn't write it off in America right now,
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Speaker 14: but I think what we've seen is the longest she's
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Speaker 14: out there. Even though she's given so few interviews and
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Speaker 14: not many serious interviews, we've seen the holiness of the
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Speaker 14: woman and her running mate. Now, if that's what Americans want,
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Speaker 14: I'd be very surprised.
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Speaker 3: We'll see a handful of counties in a handful of states.
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Speaker 3: That's what it'll come down to. Gentlemen, Thank you, all right,
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Speaker 3: let's go to the escalating situation in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Ran faring directly into Israel, a barrage of missiles overnight,
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Speaker 3: Benjaminte and Yahoo in typical fashion, vowing to continue to
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Speaker 3: defend Israel joining me now to discuss this more foreign
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Speaker 3: editor at Australian, Greg Sheridan. I'll get into the detail
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Speaker 3: in the moment, but I've got to go to that
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Speaker 3: front page of the Australian newspaper, your paper today, Greg,
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Speaker 3: I think that's the low point for the albert Eezy Gamn,
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Speaker 3: I think that's the low point I have to say
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Speaker 3: for Australian foreign policy for many, many years.
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Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that?
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Speaker 15: Well, I think the front page dramatically demonstrated just how
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Speaker 15: utterly hopeless, completely out of its depth and without principle
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Speaker 15: or coherence, the Albanese government is on this whole crisis.
22:37
Speaker 15: So Joe Biden is generally a weakened, bithering president, but
22:40
Speaker 15: he understands that if you've got a contest between murderous
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Speaker 15: terrorists filled with anti Semitic and anti Western hatred on
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Speaker 15: one side and a democracy on the other, you generally
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Speaker 15: favor the democracy. And although Biden had indeed called for
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Speaker 15: a ceasefire, he said that the US backed israel efforts
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Speaker 15: to remove and destroy hes Bolla terrorist infrastructure on its borders. Now,
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Speaker 15: our paper asked Penny Wong whether the Foreign Minister whether
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Speaker 15: the Australian government also supported Israel's actions to destroy has
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Speaker 15: Billah terrorist infrastructure, which threatens October seven massacres, and which
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Speaker 15: fires nine thousand rockets at Israel in the last eleven months,
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Speaker 15: and she came out with that bladder about supporting a
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Speaker 15: ceasefire and diplomacy. It seems to me the Alberanesi government
23:32
Speaker 15: is so cowardly that it won't be caught dead saying
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Speaker 15: a word in solidarity with Israel. This place is it
23:39
Speaker 15: not only at odds with Israel, our great friend and ally,
23:43
Speaker 15: not only at odds with the United States, our ally
23:45
Speaker 15: and our only security guaranteur, but at odds with social
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Speaker 15: democratic governments like that in Britain and Canada. They have
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Speaker 15: much more backbone than the Alberanesi government, which looks like
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Speaker 15: a group of Tammany ward heelers who just could barely
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Speaker 15: find the Middle.
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Speaker 3: East on a map, anadodds with Labor Party history. I mean,
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Speaker 3: Bob Hawk famously said it the bell tolls for Israel,
24:11
Speaker 3: it tolls for all mankind. Okay, So where we are tonight,
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Speaker 3: we've got to run firing directly into Israel. Ntnia who
24:20
Speaker 3: vowing to respond. What happens next?
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Speaker 15: Well, a lot of us thought Iran would be pretty
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Speaker 15: discreet in its attacks on Israel because it was unable
24:33
Speaker 15: to get through when it's fired missiles in April, and
24:36
Speaker 15: it's been unable to get through. This time, it fired
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Speaker 15: about one hundred and eighty ballistic missiles. None of them
24:42
Speaker 15: caused major damage. But there's a tremendous danger for Israel
24:47
Speaker 15: in this. Every time this happens, I mean, a missile
24:49
Speaker 15: will get through eventually and kill a lot of Israeli civilians.
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Speaker 15: But last time, Israel responded with a symbolic strike under
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Speaker 15: the urging of the Biden administration. I think there's a
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Speaker 15: lot of stuff happening below the waterline between the Biden
25:03
Speaker 15: administration and the Israelis. I think the fact that Biden
25:07
Speaker 15: swung around to supporting the Israelis probably means that they
25:10
Speaker 15: were able to get some suggestion from the Israelis on
25:14
Speaker 15: the limits of their operations in Lebanon. But I think
25:17
Speaker 15: Israel will have to respond to Iran. And you know,
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Speaker 15: Brett Stevens in the New York Times, the Labor Party
25:25
Speaker 15: could do worse than read the New York Times that
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Speaker 15: Bastian of left wing Opinion is saying the United States
25:31
Speaker 15: and Israel both need to respond harshly to Iran. Iran
25:35
Speaker 15: runs all these terrorist groups all over the Middle East,
25:38
Speaker 15: has got very active campaigns to murder. Donald Trump sponsors
25:43
Speaker 15: murder and death through Hezbala Hamos, Theois, the Hoodies directly
25:47
Speaker 15: attack US shipping and it pays no price for it. Well,
25:51
Speaker 15: now Israel and the United States both I think, will
25:55
Speaker 15: look very seriously at making a serious assault on Iran.
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Speaker 15: That may involve Iran's nuclear facilities, it may involve its
26:04
Speaker 15: missile manufactured facilities, it may involve other infrastructure. But Netnya,
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Speaker 15: whose threats lately have not been hollow, and he said
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Speaker 15: that Israel will attack the forces that attack Israel. This
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Speaker 15: is the second big attack by Iran on Israel. Again,
26:20
Speaker 15: our government is kind of utterly pathetic in its silence.
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Speaker 15: It condemns Iran's attack, but won't even say that Israel
26:26
Speaker 15: is right to respond in any way. But I suspect
26:31
Speaker 15: that we will see a big Israeli response and this
26:36
Speaker 15: will be I should think supported by the Americans, perhaps
26:39
Speaker 15: actively with military assets which are in the region.
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Speaker 3: I may the point Greg when I opened the show,
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Speaker 3: you know, thirteen years ago islamav inin Line was killed.
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Speaker 3: We didn't see celebrating or commemorating or eulogizing Isama bin
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Speaker 3: Laden on Australian streets, hamas hesblah. They're not the in
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Speaker 3: this case Hasbala. It's not the Lebanese people, it's not
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Speaker 3: the Lebanese government. They are a terror state within the
27:06
Speaker 3: borders of Lebanon. I think that's sometimes missed in the
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Speaker 3: public discourse. But we're almost at that twelve month anniversary
27:12
Speaker 3: from October seven. How on earth did we get in
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Speaker 3: this situation where we've got Australians literally marching in the
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Speaker 3: streets with photographs of a terror leader as if he
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Speaker 3: was some great man to be mourned. We've got mosques
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Speaker 3: in Sydney in particular, holding services to honor a terror mastermind.
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Speaker 2: This is Australia.
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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I am just staggered twelve months on
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Speaker 3: that we are in this position.
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Speaker 15: So, Peter, one reflection, one tatry political reflection I'd offer
27:44
Speaker 15: you is I wonder if the Albanese government is not
27:46
Speaker 15: misreading the politics of this and the way they misread
27:48
Speaker 15: the politics of the voice, they're chasing an activist minority
27:52
Speaker 15: class who they think are in danger of being seduced
27:56
Speaker 15: by a competitor on the left. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 15: the great majority of Australian people can distinguish between terrorists
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Speaker 15: and democracies, and they will wonder why the Albanesi government
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Speaker 15: can't make a similar distinction clearly, and why it is
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Speaker 15: so incoherent and so lacking in courage. But this crisis,
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Speaker 15: which you rightly describe on our streets, didn't come about overnight.
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Speaker 15: One big contributor to it is an absolute lack of
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Speaker 15: moral clarity from the Albanesi government. I mean, it is
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Speaker 15: a shameful thing that not a single Australian Cabinet minister
28:30
Speaker 15: has visited the site of the Hamas atrocities in southern Israel.
28:34
Speaker 15: Penny Wong, for whom I've had traditionally great admiration, went
28:38
Speaker 15: to Israel and then ostentatiously refused to visit that site,
28:42
Speaker 15: as though she were ashamed to express any real solidarity
28:47
Speaker 15: with the Israelis. And the charitable interpretation would be that
28:51
Speaker 15: the Labor Party takes this view because it's scared of
28:55
Speaker 15: anti Israel Greens Vadas in the inner City electorates taking
28:59
Speaker 15: its electorates office. So a huge factor in this crisis,
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Speaker 15: a lack of moral clarity from the government. But also
29:05
Speaker 15: I think we are now sowing the whirlwind of thirty
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Speaker 15: forty to fifty years of a disgraceful educational effort. We've
29:12
Speaker 15: allowed the liberal arts and the humanities in our universities
29:15
Speaker 15: in particular to become filled with a hatred of the West,
29:18
Speaker 15: and Israel is seen as an element of the West.
29:23
Speaker 15: So our university students who couldn't work out which river
29:26
Speaker 15: and which sea they were talking to in their slogans
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Speaker 15: if their life depended on it, are filled with a monstrous,
29:31
Speaker 15: simplistic anti Israel propaganda which is certainly a first cousin
29:37
Speaker 15: of traditional anti Semitism. You put these things together, it's
29:42
Speaker 15: a failure of Australian institutions. And then when these demonstrations
29:45
Speaker 15: come about, as you say, the only Labor politician who
29:48
Speaker 15: gives any leadership on this is the new South Wales
29:51
Speaker 15: Premier Chris Min's. But if a social democratic party like
29:54
Speaker 15: the Labor Party can't work out what its attitude to
29:58
Speaker 15: glorifying terrorism should be and can't state that clearly and
30:02
Speaker 15: with some force, that we are in a world of
30:04
Speaker 15: world of pain.
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, thank you. One hundred percent right. There is
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Speaker 2: a right, there is a wrong all right after the break.
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Speaker 3: The issue with the protests is what we're likely to
30:16
Speaker 3: see in the next few days.
30:18
Speaker 2: Are the laws strong enough? Is it weak authorities of
30:21
Speaker 2: the problem or do any of these.
30:22
Speaker 3: Laws strengthen James Patterson, coming up a bit later on
30:26
Speaker 3: to NDIS recipients, Well, they'll no longer be able to
30:29
Speaker 3: spend your money.
30:30
Speaker 2: On sex workers, drugs, alcohol.
30:33
Speaker 3: But why did it take so long to get these
30:35
Speaker 3: reforms through?
30:42
Speaker 2: Welcome back to all the karma.
30:43
Speaker 3: Even the left lean and Victorian Bar Association has serious concerns.
30:47
Speaker 3: I've got Labour's Misinformation Bill. We'll discuss that with the
30:50
Speaker 3: panel a little later on. First, as anti Israel protest
30:53
Speaker 3: is vowed to continue this weekend, writers were set to
30:56
Speaker 3: mark one year since.
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Speaker 2: The October seven terror attacks.
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Speaker 3: You have to seriously ask yourself how we've reached this
31:03
Speaker 3: point even today. One protester who proudly waive a Hesblah flag,
31:08
Speaker 3: has told the Australian newspaper, I'm not scared of the cops.
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Speaker 2: Jointed me to discuss.
31:12
Speaker 3: What needs to happen to go after this issue.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. Well, we had this legislation.
31:21
Speaker 3: Passing December last year that we're going to outlaw all
31:23
Speaker 3: these hate symbols. We're certainly getting movement out of New
31:27
Speaker 3: South Wales, although they're going to have to the police
31:29
Speaker 3: are going to have to take this all the way
31:30
Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court.
31:32
Speaker 2: But we're not getting much moving in Victoria.
31:34
Speaker 3: Is the issue the lack of backbone with authorities or
31:38
Speaker 3: do you think that the laws need.
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Speaker 1: Fixing overwhelmingly, Peter, I think the problem is a lack
31:42
Speaker 1: of willingness on part of our federal and state governments
31:45
Speaker 1: and in some sections of the police. I'm afraid to
31:48
Speaker 1: enforce the law. There may be some deficiency in the law,
31:51
Speaker 1: but let's find that out by charging people, by testing
31:53
Speaker 1: the law, and if it fails in the courts, we
31:55
Speaker 1: can amend the law. But if the government wants to
31:57
Speaker 1: bring to us the case that the laws need to
31:59
Speaker 1: change before that, I will fly to camera tomorrow. We
32:01
Speaker 1: will let the Parliament sit tomorrow. We will pass whatever
32:04
Speaker 1: legislation is necessary to stop this ahead of the rallies
32:08
Speaker 1: on Sunday and the rallies on Monday, because they should
32:10
Speaker 1: not go ahead and it is not good enough for
32:12
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, so just to throw his hands up
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Speaker 1: and say it's all too hard. I can't do anything
32:16
Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 3: Are you getting the briefings you need from agencies and
32:20
Speaker 3: authorities about the terror risk in Australia and what we're seeing?
32:23
Speaker 2: You know, I made the point tonight and.
32:24
Speaker 3: About the Sydney mosques eulogizing a terror mastermind. Are you
32:27
Speaker 3: getting what you need in the interested bipartisanship.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but both through the Intelligence and Security Committee, which
32:34
Speaker 1: I'm still a member, and through briefings that the Opposition
32:37
Speaker 1: is offered on an ad hoc basis that Peter Dutton
32:39
Speaker 1: has requested. We have been briefed on the security situation
32:42
Speaker 1: both in Australia and the regional environments. I can't complain
32:45
Speaker 1: about that. Our critique of the government is not of
32:47
Speaker 1: the agencies, who are very professional and focused on the task.
32:50
Speaker 1: It's the political leadership that's been lacking in our countries
32:53
Speaker 1: since the seventh of October. I mean, the Prime Minister
32:55
Speaker 1: has confronted this crisis of anti Semitism and look the
32:58
Speaker 1: other way. He can't bear to take it head on.
33:00
Speaker 1: He can't bear to show moral authority and moral courage
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Speaker 1: in confronting this threat.
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Speaker 3: I noted comments today in relation to the appointment of
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Speaker 3: this envoy in relation to Islamophobia, the associations Muslim associations
33:14
Speaker 3: are wanting him to focus not just on the issue
33:16
Speaker 3: of Islamophobia, but also on greater protections for the pro
33:21
Speaker 3: Palestinian protesters.
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Speaker 2: Now that's got to be a concern.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's not the purpose of an Islamophobia Commissioner to
33:28
Speaker 1: go organizing rallies or helping to protect rallies or the
33:31
Speaker 1: pro Palestinian cause. Theirs separate issues. He's supposed to be
33:34
Speaker 1: dealing with racism. All forms of racism are moraby hor
33:37
Speaker 1: apparent and we've got no quarrel with their being and
33:39
Speaker 1: as anti Islamophobia Commissioner. Although I think it's very telling
33:43
Speaker 1: that the government has taken this long to find someone
33:45
Speaker 1: who would accept the appointment, who was qualified for the appointment.
33:48
Speaker 1: It's my understanding that the Jewish community proposed the Anti
33:50
Speaker 1: Semitism Commissioner last year in December and the candidate that
33:54
Speaker 1: was subsequently appointed, but the government sat on that for
33:57
Speaker 1: six months because they couldn't find an equivalent Islamophobia commissioner.
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Speaker 1: And this just shows the false moral equivalents. It's been
34:03
Speaker 1: drawn here by the government that on the one hand
34:05
Speaker 1: this on the one hand another they can't call out
34:07
Speaker 1: anti Semitism without also calling out Islamophobia. And it's no
34:10
Speaker 1: wonder that we've got the crisis that we have today.
34:13
Speaker 3: I know you've got close links to the Jewish community,
34:15
Speaker 3: but those I've spoken to feel very fragile at the moment.
34:18
Speaker 1: I've never seen them as distressed as they are today.
34:21
Speaker 1: And you talk to Holocaust survivors who've been in this
34:24
Speaker 1: country for close to one hundred years who say that
34:27
Speaker 1: they just cannot fathom the unsafe experiences that they're having,
34:31
Speaker 1: aushade that they never thought our country would be like this.
34:33
Speaker 1: And I even talked to members of the Jewish community
34:35
Speaker 1: who have or are contemplating moving to Israel. They think
34:38
Speaker 1: that we say, for an Israel under attack from three
34:40
Speaker 1: terrorist organizations, then they are in Melbourne or Sydney. I mean,
34:43
Speaker 1: that is a travesty.
34:44
Speaker 3: I remember Islamic State very clearly. I remember the siege
34:47
Speaker 3: at Martin Place. There was a flag put on the window.
34:51
Speaker 3: It looked like an ISIS flag. I don't think it
34:54
Speaker 3: was in the end that the Arabic writing was a
34:56
Speaker 3: little different, but we didn't see that in the middle
34:59
Speaker 3: of the Islamic state conflict.
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Speaker 2: Flags on the street.
35:02
Speaker 3: We certainly didn't see it in relation to our Caida
35:04
Speaker 3: and made the point with Greg Sheridan before. I can't
35:07
Speaker 3: remember mosques holding services to eulogize some of Bin Laden.
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Speaker 2: That's only thirteen years ago. How did we get here?
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Speaker 1: Things have got a lot worse in the last decade, Peter.
35:17
Speaker 1: And it's tempting to think that this is just an
35:19
Speaker 1: important problem and we can solve this by deporting people.
35:22
Speaker 1: Of course, we should deport anyone who violates the character
35:24
Speaker 1: provisions of the Migration Act. But the uncomfortable truth is
35:27
Speaker 1: I think we've got a homegrown extremism problem. A lot
35:30
Speaker 1: of those people protesting on the weekend were Australian citizens.
35:33
Speaker 1: Some of them would even have been born and raised here,
35:35
Speaker 1: educated here.
35:36
Speaker 2: So is this coming out of the mosques?
35:38
Speaker 3: Is this coming out of radical imagery and videos online?
35:42
Speaker 2: Where's it coming from?
35:43
Speaker 1: I think it's coming in schools, and not just in
35:45
Speaker 1: Mslim schools, but even in public schools as well. I
35:47
Speaker 1: think it must be coming in some religious communities, in
35:49
Speaker 1: some families, and it's certainly online in social media and
35:53
Speaker 1: where really horrific content is being pumped into teenagers and
35:56
Speaker 1: radicalizing them quickly. So we actually need a whole of
35:59
Speaker 1: government and whole society response to this, and I just
36:01
Speaker 1: don't see that coming from our Prime minister or this government.
36:05
Speaker 3: The revolutionary regard Irun's revolutionary regard. Do they need to
36:08
Speaker 3: be listed as a terror organization? I understand it's been
36:11
Speaker 3: looked at before. What they were not listed because they
36:14
Speaker 3: were an organ of a national government.
36:17
Speaker 2: Do you have a different view.
36:19
Speaker 1: I think it should be listed for the most important
36:21
Speaker 1: reason that it is the largest state sponsor of terrorism
36:24
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. None of these proxies the Huties
36:26
Speaker 1: has Blahamasa or Palestin Islamic Jihad would be able to
36:30
Speaker 1: do what they'd do if they didn't have Iran's backing.
36:33
Speaker 1: If there's changes to the laws that are necessary, we've
36:35
Speaker 1: already offered the government bipartisan support to make that happen.
36:38
Speaker 1: But actually think there's an argable case that there isn't
36:40
Speaker 1: a legal change needed here, just a change of courage
36:43
Speaker 1: from on part of the Prime Minister.
36:45
Speaker 3: Tony Burke was pretty visible at the start of the
36:46
Speaker 3: week saying, you know, if any of these protesters have
36:50
Speaker 3: a visa and they've been found to be supporting Habla,
36:54
Speaker 3: we will deport them. He's basically disappeared from the media,
36:57
Speaker 3: though since Monday he's got a I was in population
37:01
Speaker 3: in his seat. I see that it's pretty politically motivated.
37:07
Speaker 3: Have we got any follow up about visa cancelations?
37:10
Speaker 1: No, none, whatsoever, and I wouldn't hold my breath Apparently.
37:13
Speaker 1: What he has been doing, though, is meeting one by
37:15
Speaker 1: one with the Palestinians here on tourist visas in order
37:18
Speaker 1: to grant them humanitarian visas. Now I have never heard
37:22
Speaker 1: say that. Again, he's been meeting individually with Palestinians here
37:26
Speaker 1: on tourist visas in order to grant them humanitarian visas
37:30
Speaker 1: to stay here. Personally, now, he said this on ABC
37:33
Speaker 1: Radio earlier this week. I have never heard of an
37:35
Speaker 1: immigration minister personally meeting with applicants for permanent visas to
37:39
Speaker 1: grant them. He was asked by Patricia Kubla, so you're
37:41
Speaker 1: going to meet with all three thousand, and he basically said,
37:43
Speaker 1: we'll see how we go. I mean, this is extraordinary
37:45
Speaker 1: and in my view, quite inappropriate. When we said we
37:48
Speaker 1: wanted the government to conduct face to face interviews. We
37:51
Speaker 1: didn't mean that the minister would be doing it here
37:53
Speaker 1: in Australia. We meant that our agencies would be doing
37:55
Speaker 1: that overseas. It is a bizarre situation and hard to
37:59
Speaker 1: fathom why.
38:00
Speaker 3: You wonder if they're getting a sign up to the
38:01
Speaker 3: Labor Party form as they walk out the door.
38:04
Speaker 1: A cynical person might say that.
38:05
Speaker 2: James, thank you, Senator James Patterson.
38:08
Speaker 3: All right after the break those long overdue reforms to
38:11
Speaker 3: the NDIES.
38:12
Speaker 2: When you look at the list the stuff that they
38:14
Speaker 2: have now ruled out, you've got to wonder why it
38:16
Speaker 2: took so long to end these roots.
38:18
Speaker 3: Plus the warning from the NRMA chief about a state
38:22
Speaker 3: of eb vehicles that have gone up in flames. Carol
38:29
Speaker 3: Richards on a Wednesday coming out will do the vexed
38:32
Speaker 3: pronunciation of Hezbollah or his boller. Do that a bit
38:36
Speaker 3: later on, but first let's bring in the panel. Shadow
38:38
Speaker 3: Environment Minister Jonathan Dunham, LMP Senator James McGrath will welcome
38:43
Speaker 3: to you both the act U vowing to lobby the
38:47
Speaker 3: Government to scrape junior rates of pay if the Fair
38:49
Speaker 3: Work Commission application fails. This comes after the shopp Is
38:54
Speaker 3: Union has launched a bid for the Workplace Tribunal to
38:56
Speaker 3: abolish youth pay rates, which sees them, of course, received
39:00
Speaker 3: just a percentage of full pay rates. Sallie McManus, as
39:04
Speaker 3: a TU secretary, says it's an achronistic. She says that
39:07
Speaker 3: she should be dealt with on discrimination grounds. Well, Senator Dunaem,
39:12
Speaker 3: I think that had hit business pretty hard at a
39:14
Speaker 3: time that business doesn't have much fat in the till.
39:18
Speaker 16: Precisely, the union movement, completely out of touch with how
39:23
Speaker 16: hard it is for businesses to make in meet, are
39:27
Speaker 16: going to drive the stake into the heart of the
39:29
Speaker 16: small business community even further. We are pricing ourselves out
39:34
Speaker 16: of the market on so many levels now and on
39:37
Speaker 16: all these grounds, discrimination being the latest one. They're going
39:40
Speaker 16: to level that trying to change the laws here. Business
39:44
Speaker 16: are up against it and we today I was with
39:46
Speaker 16: Peter Dutton at a factory in Sydney and you know
39:50
Speaker 16: the things they're talking about are energy, inflexible IR laws
39:53
Speaker 16: which are about to get worse if Salie McManus gets
39:56
Speaker 16: her way, and red and grand tape and they'll bow
39:59
Speaker 16: to the will of the union and this government because
40:02
Speaker 16: they think this is what they've got to do to
40:05
Speaker 16: pay their paymasters. So it's disastrous and it's going to
40:08
Speaker 16: be very, very tough if these changes get through.
40:13
Speaker 3: And look at Dud's young people anyway, because you're not
40:15
Speaker 3: going to get a job at fifteen, sixteen seventeen with
40:18
Speaker 3: no experience unless you're a bit cheaper or higher. And
40:21
Speaker 3: that's how you get your foot in the door. That's
40:22
Speaker 3: how you get experience. And suddenly when you can get
40:24
Speaker 3: the adult rates of pay, you've got the experience to
40:28
Speaker 3: back it up and get that job over the line.
40:30
Speaker 3: I just think it's crazy misinformation if I can, Senator mcgrave,
40:34
Speaker 3: Victorian Bar Association, they have warned and they are quite
40:38
Speaker 3: left to center up to tell you, the Bar Association
40:40
Speaker 3: in Victoria. The more that Labour's misinformation Bill will lead
40:44
Speaker 3: to a chilling self citizenship. Now I know the Libs
40:48
Speaker 3: the Coalition is against this, but Labour's trying to ram
40:52
Speaker 3: it through the Senate.
40:53
Speaker 2: Anyway, what do you make of this analysis.
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Speaker 11: It's a bit strange, a bit weird when Victorian Bar
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Speaker 11: Association are coming out and essentially agree with us and
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Speaker 11: the Coalition because we are strong defenders of freedom of speech.
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Speaker 11: That's why we oppose the misinformation bill and the first
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Speaker 11: iteration and now the second iteration.
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Speaker 12: It's why we.
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Speaker 11: Oppose truth and advertising. What do you see with the
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Speaker 11: Labor and the Greens, Their first their first move always
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Speaker 11: is to try and censor, to try and stop people
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Speaker 11: having their say. Is we want people to have to say,
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Speaker 11: especially and even when they disagree with us, it's good
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Speaker 11: living in a democracy.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, we saw what happened with quote misinformation, disinformation, with
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Speaker 3: the voice.
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Speaker 2: It was all one way.
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Speaker 3: So good on the Coalition for standing up for these
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Speaker 3: So to fear that there's a cross bench negotiation happening
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Speaker 3: with the Teals and others to get it up anyway,
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Speaker 3: particularly before the election, indis reform Senator Dunian. I mean
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Speaker 3: this list of now the banned items.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just incredible.
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Speaker 3: We have been paying as tax pays for about ten
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Speaker 3: years for alcohol, cuddle therapy, sex workers, crystal therapy.
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Speaker 2: All of these will be.
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Speaker 3: Banned from today, sorry from Thursday, from tomorrow. But I've
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Speaker 3: got to ask, how did it take so long for
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Speaker 3: this reform to happen. Why weren't they taken off the
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Speaker 3: list months or years ago.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's an indictment on all governments and even the
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Speaker 16: one I was a part of, Frankly, to allow this
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Speaker 16: to go on. I mean, I do not know what
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Speaker 16: medical practitioner thinks crystal therapy actually works and helps someone
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Speaker 16: with whatever they may be experiencing. But the worst part
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Speaker 16: was when we were going through the debate culminating in
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Speaker 16: these changes which have taken too long. The minister who
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Speaker 16: stands up in front of the cameras today to present
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Speaker 16: this list of things that are going to be no
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Speaker 16: longer paid for, thankfully by the taxpayer, castigated anyone, any
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Speaker 16: political opponent, any Australian, any media commentator that would dare
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Speaker 16: question the operation of the NDIS and the supports provided
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Speaker 16: to people across the country in need of the services
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Speaker 16: of the nba IS. But here is today doing what
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Speaker 16: was right all wrong. Frankly, he's been drag tea, kicking
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Speaker 16: and screaming. It's taken two years for them to get
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Speaker 16: back together on these reforms, and thankfully that taxpayers won't
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Speaker 16: have to pay for this garbage anymore.
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Speaker 3: You are right to remind us, of course, that Bill Shorten,
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Speaker 3: who has delivered these wrought reforms was the blower put
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Speaker 3: them in place as the minister all those years ago
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Speaker 3: under Julia Gillard.
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Speaker 2: Hey, the NRMA, they've come.
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Speaker 3: Out today and said that EV batteries must be tested,
43:34
Speaker 3: they reckon as part of road worthy checks. They're very
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Speaker 3: concerned about a whole lot of vehicles catching fire. Julie
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Speaker 3: Batch says the frequency of car fires is similar between
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Speaker 3: EV's and internal combustion engines, but EV fires often caused
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Speaker 3: more damage to the car because the batteries are bigger.
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Speaker 2: They're practically like a bomb.
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Speaker 3: James McGraw, I don't suspect you're a bloke with an EV,
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Speaker 3: but what do you make of this push by the NRMA.
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Speaker 11: I'm a blog there's got a couple of diesel fuel drives,
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Speaker 11: so you won't see me driving an EV. But what
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Speaker 11: the NMR is showing us, man, is the impact the
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Speaker 11: impact of electrical vehicles are going to have on all
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Speaker 11: of us, but also in terms of the normal motoring consumer.
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Speaker 11: So the NMA look after motors and if they're coming
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Speaker 11: out saying these things are basically dangerous, these are bombs
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Speaker 11: waiting to go off, then why aren't the policy regulators,
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Speaker 11: the policy makers ie federal labor doing something about this.
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Speaker 11: This should be a wake up call to all of us.
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Speaker 3: What about you, Senator Dunniam, I'm really concerned that Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen has automatically said we're not going to have any
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Speaker 3: inquiry into the Chinese componentary the security risks behind not
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Speaker 3: just the EV cars obviously, but chips et cetera, everything
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Speaker 3: that's everywhere from.
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Speaker 2: China in our supply chain.
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Speaker 3: We know this is something that's under active consideration in
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Speaker 3: the US Congress.
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Speaker 2: We're mad just to take China on trust, aren't we?
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Speaker 16: Yes we are, Yes we are. But the blind ideological
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Speaker 16: pursuit of this mad goal that Chris Bowen and Albo
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Speaker 16: and others are having us chase is they don't care.
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Speaker 16: I mean, we talked before about government telling us what
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Speaker 16: we can and can't say through these miss and disinformation laws.
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Speaker 16: But as James has pointed out, they're not too worried
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Speaker 16: about the safety concerns around the cars they're making us
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Speaker 16: drive with the laws they're putting in place. What about,
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Speaker 16: as you say, national security concerns. I mean, we know
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Speaker 16: that foreign actors can interfere with these devices. And I
45:39
Speaker 16: tell you what, I'm not an EV driver and I
45:42
Speaker 16: certainly won't be driving a Chinese one anytime soon. If
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Speaker 16: they can interfere with a car behind the wheel of
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Speaker 16: which I'm behind the wheel of, I've.
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Speaker 3: Got to be quick, James mcgrab, but help me unravel
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Speaker 3: this one. The Queensland Premier Stephen Myles obviously into the
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Speaker 3: election campaign now, but he says he won't make deals
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Speaker 3: with minor parties, but he's left the door open to
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Speaker 3: test his numbers if they don't get enough seats to
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Speaker 3: form government.
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Speaker 2: Well what's that mean?
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Speaker 11: You just can't trust this guy. This guy, every time
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Speaker 11: he opens his mouth, he's not telling the truth. The
46:16
Speaker 11: only way to get changed in Queen's Lane is to
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Speaker 11: vote for the L and P and David Chrissifullick. I'm
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Speaker 11: speaking to you from the Cool and Beach Bowls Club.
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Speaker 11: I'm about to launch dand thirty, the Shadow Police Minister's campaign.
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Speaker 11: It's we've got three weeks to get rid of this mob.
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Speaker 3: Anything.
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Speaker 11: Stephn Moles says, ignore him. He is lying. He's lying
46:34
Speaker 11: last week, he's lying today. He's going to lie next week.
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Speaker 11: He will do anything, in say any things to stay
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Speaker 11: in power.
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Speaker 2: I can't disagree with that.
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Speaker 3: I believe it there jeds c both next week, All right,
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Speaker 3: after break those words with Kel.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring him in.
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Speaker 3: Kel Richard's lots to get through, as you do every Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: This is one that I've myself about. I've always said
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Speaker 3: that the terror organization hes Bla is pronounced hes balah.
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Speaker 3: That's where Peter Dutton pronounces it as well. But Michael Schubridge,
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Speaker 3: even Michael Suker last night, and he's got Levitese heritage,
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Speaker 3: they say hezboller.
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Speaker 2: Now do you have a view.
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Speaker 17: Oh yes, For a long time I've been hearing Sean
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Speaker 17: Hannity on Fox News saying hes boller and that just
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Speaker 17: sounded wrong to me. So, prompted by you, I did
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Speaker 17: some digging in research. The nearest English pronunciation to the
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Speaker 17: correct Arabic pronunciation is hes bala stress on the last syllable.
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Speaker 17: That's a big tick for Peter. You got this one
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Speaker 17: exactly right, so well done. It just means the Party
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Speaker 17: of God. Although the terrible Terribrist organization wasn't formed in
47:48
Speaker 17: nineteen eighty two, it's an old word. It's been around
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Speaker 17: in Arabic for quite a long time. So hez bala
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Speaker 17: stress on the last syllable, you are right.
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Speaker 2: You're kind to say I'm right.
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Speaker 3: I mangled a lot of the Arabic words and names
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Speaker 3: of shakes and things like that, so I got that
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Speaker 3: one right.
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Speaker 2: Hey, smoke and mirrors.
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Speaker 3: Harvey wants to know where the phrase smoke and mirrors
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Speaker 3: comes from.
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Speaker 17: Surprisingly recent, I was surprised to discover only coined in
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Speaker 17: this form in nineteen seventy five. Comes from the work
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Speaker 17: of stage magicians. You're watching David Copperfield on stage and
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Speaker 17: the tiger seems to disappear from the cage, but there's
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Speaker 17: a big puff of smokers. It disappears, and it probably
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Speaker 17: was never in the cage anyway. It was done with
48:30
Speaker 17: a series of mirrors to make it look as if
48:32
Speaker 17: it was done with smoke and mirrors. And then that
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Speaker 17: image from the professional stage magicians was transferred to politics.
48:40
Speaker 17: So politicians who are trying to create an illusion and
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Speaker 17: deceive us and make us think they're doing something cleverer
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Speaker 17: or better than they're doing it with smoke and mirrors.
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Speaker 17: So it's from the There was an earlier form of it,
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Speaker 17: because Agatha Christie used they do it with Mirrors as
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Speaker 17: the title of one of her Miss Marple novels. Back
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Speaker 17: in nineteen fifty two, but the whole expression spoken mirrors
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Speaker 17: only from nineteen seventy five, which I think is surprisingly reason.
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Speaker 3: Now Phil wants to know why on earth we use
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Speaker 3: the term progressives to describe the left, And I have
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Speaker 3: to say, you know, the majority of words tend to
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Speaker 3: be those on the conservative side they use, and the
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Speaker 3: left is so.
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Speaker 2: Good with language.
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Speaker 3: They use words to describe themselves to try and bring
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Speaker 3: people over, and I think progressives is one of those words.
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Speaker 17: You're exactly right. They have taken this to steal some ground.
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Speaker 17: They're trying to imply conservatives are standing still and they
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Speaker 17: are moving forward. What they fail to understand is the
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Speaker 17: whole dispute is about the direction in which we're moving forward.
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Speaker 17: They think they're taking us forward. We think they're taking
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Speaker 17: us backwards, to a pagan past that worships the creation
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Speaker 17: instead of the Creator. So it's like standing at a crossroads,
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Speaker 17: which way goes forward. They think they know they're wrong,
49:57
Speaker 17: but they call themselves progressives, so we use them. They're
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Speaker 17: labeled so people know who we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Ah, I love it, I love it, I love it.
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Speaker 2: They are taking us backwards.
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Speaker 3: Let's not let them have the momentum on that one Kel.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, We'll see you next week. That's see you
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Speaker 3: all tomorrow night. Here's Andrew