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#82 Ellidy Pullin: Losing a Partner, IVF Struggles and Birth of Minnie ! · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Ah, another day, another bonus episode to gift our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Ash Yes, Matt, I love it and guess who we've
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  Speaker 2: got on today's bonus. Let me just play you a
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  Speaker 2: quick little sneak peek if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 3: Yay, guys, let's go.
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  Speaker 4: It is Elody pulling. What a bloody ray of sunshine
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  Speaker 4: she is.
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  Speaker 1: She's the kind of person where you just want to
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  Speaker 1: be a best mate.
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  Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're not familiar with Elidie, she's the co
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  Speaker 2: host of a very popular podcast called Darling Shine, along
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  Speaker 2: with Chloe Fisher, who is married to the Fisher. So
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  Speaker 2: Eldie's a model, she's an author, and of course her
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  Speaker 2: mum to little Minnie Alex Chump.
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  Speaker 1: Minnie is a beautiful kid who looks just like her
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  Speaker 1: father Chumpy. How she was conceived is something that is
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  Speaker 1: very unique but extremely beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Ash.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of twenty twenty, sadly, Chumpy died in
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  Speaker 2: a tragic spearfishing accident off the coast of Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 2: On that same day, Elidie lost the love of her life,
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  Speaker 2: but her future as a mother was saved.
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  Speaker 1: Despite the immense loss, led has shown incredible strength and
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  Speaker 1: resilience in managing motherhood on her own, providing a loving
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  Speaker 1: and nurturing environment for her daughter.
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  Speaker 4: Eliti faces the same challenges that you and I do. Matt,
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  Speaker 4: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the dummy. Also a biting child as well.
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  Speaker 6: Shall we get into it, Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Mattie Jay, I'm Ash.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Eliti Pulan. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 7: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
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  Speaker 7: it is.
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  Speaker 4: The bad, and the relatable.
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  Speaker 1: And Ash and I don't give any advice. Led have
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  Speaker 1: you got any advice to give today? I know pressure
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  Speaker 1: if you.
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  Speaker 4: Do, it could be accidental.
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  Speaker 5: And don't have a big night a few days before
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  Speaker 5: you're going to record, because I've lost my voice and
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  Speaker 5: I sound Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I saw that story. I was like, was it Sunday night?
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  Speaker 2: My wife goes, look you, I was coming up and
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  Speaker 2: she's like she lost voice. I'm like, oh, it's not
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  Speaker 2: till wednesday. I'm sure it'll be fine. And then I
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  Speaker 2: think we spoke about it Monday. And then I saw
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  Speaker 2: a story and I think you were talking and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we can.
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  Speaker 4: Work with that. Your voices bounced back.
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  Speaker 5: It has Actually, yeah, no, I literally couldn't speak on Monday.
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  Speaker 5: But I literally forgot that we were doing this.
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  Speaker 3: So you're lucky because I might have been like, hey guys,
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  Speaker 3: you cancel.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you gave us a message a couple of days ago,
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  Speaker 1: and we thought that message was going to be the
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  Speaker 1: one to say, sorry, yeah, we can't do it. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to postpone it.
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  Speaker 3: This okay, this is ha take a literate IM.
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  Speaker 5: Is this the one where I was like, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 5: I've just moved into a new place and I don't
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  Speaker 5: have internet, So do you want me to hire a
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  Speaker 5: studio or.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that?
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  Speaker 5: And your beautiful producer Jess was like, yeah, so we're
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  Speaker 5: flying up to you and we're bringing our equipment and
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  Speaker 5: I was like yeah, and I'm just telling you I
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  Speaker 5: don't have internet, and she's like, we're bringing the equipment
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, and I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Have internet, and she's like, and we.
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  Speaker 5: Don't need it because I'm just going to press play
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  Speaker 5: and uploaded later.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, fuck you. I have my own podcast,
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  Speaker 3: and you think I would know this.
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  Speaker 2: You're always not in charge of the WI Fi. All
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  Speaker 2: the tech is gear in your podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I asked Chloe last night, I go, is that not normal?
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  Speaker 5: And she goes, I always like, we always have to
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  Speaker 5: have Wi Fi when we record, but we're pretty that's random.
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  Speaker 3: You guys have a good setup.
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  Speaker 1: Don't mind me. I'm not sure if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: hear this. I'm being licked by your dog.
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  Speaker 4: Which I'm enjoying.
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  Speaker 1: That's just tasting the smashed abbot from this morning. Yeah, Eldie,
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  Speaker 1: when you were a youngster, a little kid, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: what were you like and were you different to how
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  Speaker 1: you are now?
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  Speaker 5: M I reckon, I'm actually I think I'm actually pretty
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  Speaker 5: similar to now im Like I said to my mum,
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  Speaker 5: I think recently, I'm like, fuck, why is Minni so
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  Speaker 5: annoying my kid? Like she must have been having like
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  Speaker 5: she must have been a pest that day or just
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  Speaker 5: wasn't stopped. I was like, mean, he's so annoying, and
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  Speaker 5: Mom's like, yep, you are the exact same.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, my dog's being annoying too right now.
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  Speaker 5: Rummy, Sorry, I can hear her yapping in the background,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, mom was.
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  Speaker 1: My arm so she can keep keep the licking going.
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  Speaker 3: Keep that pat up.
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  Speaker 5: No, but mom was like, she always gives me this
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  Speaker 5: look like you were the exact same, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: how annoying? Like I keep saying sorry to my mom,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, man, sorry, because she also did it alone
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 5: Her and my dad divorce when I was like one
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  Speaker 5: or something and we were full time with mum.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, shit, sorry, mum, and she had two
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  Speaker 3: of us. It's not easy.
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  Speaker 1: It's not until you have kids that you then look
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  Speaker 1: back and you're like, I am so sorry to my parents.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I put you through hell.
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  Speaker 5: So much respect for them all of a sudden, like
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  Speaker 5: I'm so much nicer to my mom these days.
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  Speaker 4: And my mom says the.
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  Speaker 2: Same thing about my son. I'm like, god, why was
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  Speaker 2: he shut up? And she's like, that's.
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  Speaker 4: You, mate, that's what you were like when you're exactly
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah annoying?
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah yeah? Were you the were you the
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  Speaker 4: class clown? Would you say?
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  Speaker 5: I was like I was always yeah, I was always
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  Speaker 5: getting what do we do about my dog?
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  Speaker 3: Should I just hear? Come here, come here, just sit here. Sorry?
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  Speaker 5: She's like maybe she needs to be on me. Sit sorry, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I think she might chill.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I was always the one getting sent out in class,
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  Speaker 5: like I was, And funnily enough, i'd like just for
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  Speaker 5: talking and just like my attentions, but I definitely have
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  Speaker 5: ADHD and I just can't, you know, get And then
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  Speaker 5: i'd get sent out of class.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember a.
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  Speaker 5: Few times in primary school I'd get sent out and
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  Speaker 5: I'd look to the classroom next to me, and my brother.
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  Speaker 3: Would also be sitting outside looking at it. You're like,
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  Speaker 3: fuck not again.
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  Speaker 1: So growing up, did you always think I want to
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  Speaker 1: be a mom, I want to have a family.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I always wanted kids.
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  Speaker 5: I think I thought I was probably more maternal than
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  Speaker 5: what I actually am.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I am such a touch person.
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  Speaker 5: I love cuddles, and I'm like super warm and friendly
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  Speaker 5: and like fuzzy and shit.
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  Speaker 3: But like sometimes with Mini, I'm like.
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  Speaker 4: Get off me.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so done with being touched sometimes. Nah, that newborn
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  Speaker 5: phase is everything. And yeah, I think I grew up
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  Speaker 5: like around kids a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I always knew I wanted to be a mum.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a big difference so between like being
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  Speaker 1: young and thinking you want to have a big family
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  Speaker 1: and then you actually start having kids and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: holy shit.
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  Speaker 4: Why am I so tired all the time.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I.
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  Speaker 5: Think a lot of kids when they're like in primary
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  Speaker 5: school or whatever, they always look to their teachers.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, one day, I want to be a
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  Speaker 3: school teacher.
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  Speaker 5: Like I definitely had that, and now I'm like, I
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  Speaker 5: could not think of anything fucking worse. I dropped Mini
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  Speaker 5: off and I'm like catch you later, like you would laugh.
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  Speaker 1: I know sometimes when when I pick up the kids
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  Speaker 1: from daycare, I'm like, I just feel like I should
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  Speaker 1: give them a hug.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be okay.
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  Speaker 2: They're all real young and sprightly. Most of the time.
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  Speaker 2: They're like in the early twenties. I find then there's
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  Speaker 2: like the odd older one who's just cranky.
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  Speaker 4: It's just cranky. Now I get it around twenty of
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  Speaker 4: them every day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, people always say that the kind of cliche. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when you stop trying to find someone, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you put that to the back of your mind, that's
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  Speaker 1: when you'll meet the person for yourself. Were you at
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  Speaker 1: a phase when you met Chumpy? Were you like I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking for someone or were you just.
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  Speaker 4: Like no, running your own enjoying your life.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, see, I was like twenty or like just turning twenty,
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  Speaker 5: and I was so young and like I always wanted kids,
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  Speaker 5: but I wasn't like frothing to have them at twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, five years or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: So I was just so keen to just be like
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  Speaker 5: in love and run around the world and just like
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  Speaker 5: travel and have fun, and like kids was.
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  Speaker 3: Not on my mind.
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  Speaker 4: Then.
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  Speaker 1: Did you want to be in a relationship when you're yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I'm I love this guy, like I'll
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  Speaker 5: be I want to be with him forever. Hopefully this
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  Speaker 5: is the guy I'm with. Hopefully this is the guy
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  Speaker 5: I do have kids with. But I was like, we
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  Speaker 5: need to go spend so many years having fun first,
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  Speaker 5: you know. But we did start trying for our baby
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  Speaker 5: when I was like twenty six, so we moved up
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  Speaker 5: to the Gold Coat. We spent like five years down
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  Speaker 5: in Sydney and then moved up here when I was
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  Speaker 5: about twenty six. And as soon as we bought this
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  Speaker 5: hot like my house up here that I'd just sold
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  Speaker 5: where he started trying for a baby, we got a
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  Speaker 5: dog and we were all like, yeay, this is out.
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  Speaker 3: The next like chat date.
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  Speaker 1: Who approached the conversation first of like, let's have kids. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think I was probably keen like a year earlier
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  Speaker 5: to start trying. And he was really career focused and
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  Speaker 5: he had seen like his best mate have babies while
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  Speaker 5: also snowboarding, because Chump was a snowboarder who traveled the
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  Speaker 5: world snowboarding and he'd seen his best mate do that,
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  Speaker 5: and he was like, I just if I'm having a kid,
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  Speaker 5: I want to be full time.
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  Speaker 2: He was away like a lot at a time because
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  Speaker 2: of winter and seasons.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was always like, if we're having kids, I
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  Speaker 5: want to be one hundred percent like retire and fully
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  Speaker 5: like on you and the kid and not traveling and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we were trying up until like he was like,
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  Speaker 5: we're new full pregnant, that's when I'll retire kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: So so yeah, but he was like getting to the
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  Speaker 5: tail end of his career anyway, and he was ready
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  Speaker 5: ready to retire. So we were like just yeah, having
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  Speaker 5: a crack.
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  Speaker 2: So just want to tell us a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: where you met Chumpy and how you felt when you
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  Speaker 2: first met it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you're Worrywood. My dad lived in Worrywood.
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  Speaker 5: I also grew up in Worrywood, but my mom lived
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  Speaker 5: in Narraban, which is.
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  Speaker 3: A suburb next to Oriwood. So I would like, me
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  Speaker 3: and my bro.
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  Speaker 5: Would like have dinner at mom's and we lived with
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  Speaker 5: our stepdad at the time, and then we'd have dinner,
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  Speaker 5: and then I'd literally go for a run at night
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  Speaker 5: to my dad's, go see him, have like dessert with
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  Speaker 5: him or whatever, and then run back. That's how close
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  Speaker 5: my families lived, like in the suburbs next to each other.
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  Speaker 3: Chump, he was coming to Sydney a lot.
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  Speaker 5: He's from Victoria, but he was coming to Sydney a
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  Speaker 5: lot to train with that Nate that I was telling
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  Speaker 5: you about before.
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  Speaker 3: He's best friend from.
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  Speaker 5: Snowboarding because I grew up with Nate. He lived in
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  Speaker 5: Mona Vale and like the next suburb over again. Chump
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  Speaker 5: was kind of in peripher all like circles, Like we
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  Speaker 5: had like a big girl group and there was a
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  Speaker 5: big guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we always just hung in the same circles. We
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  Speaker 3: always knew each other.
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  Speaker 5: He actually always had a girlfriend who was overseas in
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  Speaker 5: Bulgaria and I Yeah, so he already did long distance
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  Speaker 5: break up already. Yeah, Well, I didn't even know had
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  Speaker 5: a girlfriend actually it was like a fan. Well, no,
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  Speaker 5: they were in a serious, really nice, beautiful relationship, but.
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  Speaker 3: She was like overseas, so he'd always come back.
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  Speaker 5: We'd be like, oh, that hot snowboarder guy's back kind
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  Speaker 5: of thing. But I always had a boyfriend too, So
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  Speaker 5: then me and him broke up. And then yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: was Laura en of his twenty first birthday, who's one
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  Speaker 5: of my best friends. And he came and I was
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  Speaker 5: recently single, and I was like not thinking, like I
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  Speaker 5: was still gutted from my last relationship ending, and yeah
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  Speaker 5: he was there, and I think him and his cheek
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  Speaker 5: were like finishing up. Yeah, we hooked up, and I
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  Speaker 5: was just like just we were just kind of instantly obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: Right, People say opposites attract, but you guys opposite.
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  Speaker 3: Or yeah, we're opposites. We are opposites for sure.
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  Speaker 5: He's a very like i'd say, really smart, got his
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  Speaker 5: head on his shoulders, driven kind of careery, kind of
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  Speaker 5: like I on the prize, like very focused and perfectionist vibe.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm really blase, like whatever goes goes, like I'm cruising,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not thinking too hard. I'm not thinking too hard.
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  Speaker 5: About Tomorrow'll think about that tomorrow morning, like you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean. It works because he definitely made me go, okay, shit,
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  Speaker 5: what am I doing? Okay, I'm gonna start UNI and
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  Speaker 5: don't know, I got think about my life and what
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing and like get my shit together a bit.
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  Speaker 3: And then I definitely made him go.
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  Speaker 5: Fucking relax, like have a drink and have a lot,
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  Speaker 5: like he was like always chilling and happy, but like loosener. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: like you know, and I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: think typical snowbody.
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  Speaker 3: Is probably a bong head probably just like probably just like.
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  Speaker 5: People just thought he was like yeah, just hell cruisy
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  Speaker 5: and just like this athlete, just a hell grungy dude,
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  Speaker 5: like a dude do.
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  Speaker 3: And he's not that at all.
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  Speaker 4: More intelligent, super.
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  Speaker 5: Super intelligent, like doesn't switch off super forward thinking business.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say when it comes to trying for kids, apparently
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  Speaker 1: I don't know this, but it does pay to adhere
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  Speaker 1: to a schedule, Yes, to try it certain times of
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  Speaker 1: the month.
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  Speaker 4: Who was leading the charge?
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  Speaker 3: Anybody?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all over it. He wants to know who
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  Speaker 4: was ovulating.
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  Speaker 3: He was definitely in check with like all right, what's happening?
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  Speaker 3: Now like what to day? Are we up to?
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  Speaker 5: And shit, and like he was really excited to be
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  Speaker 5: like I'm coming home.
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  Speaker 3: I have in my head. I actually don't think.
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  Speaker 5: This is true, but I feel like, guys, this is
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  Speaker 5: just maybe I'm like not, I'm not someone that thinks
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  Speaker 5: about sex twenty four fucking seven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm actually not like that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like guys do, like some a lot
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  Speaker 5: of guys do. He'd just always be like, fuck, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: are you on?
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  Speaker 3: Like are you like?
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  Speaker 5: Are we on this week? Like I'm coming home and
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, fucking oath we're on?
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  Speaker 3: Like I can't wait to see you. Let's just bang.
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  Speaker 3: But like on on those particular weeks, he'd be extra.
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  Speaker 5: Stoked, you know yeah, and then I'd be like after that,
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  Speaker 5: fuck and I need a don't come near me. You're
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  Speaker 5: going back over nah?
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  Speaker 3: Nah? I mean like that's the beauty of long distance, right.
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  Speaker 5: It's funny because if I get into another relationship ever
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  Speaker 5: one day, I don't really want long distance, but I
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  Speaker 5: do look back and just absolutely love the whole like,
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  Speaker 5: oh my god, they are away, you miss them, you're
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  Speaker 5: fucking lusting for them, and they get back You're like
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  Speaker 5: fuck Yeah, like I can't wait to just like hug
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  Speaker 5: and ship and see you.
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  Speaker 4: It's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it always exciting canning down. It's almost like, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the adult Christmas. We like, I get to see them
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  Speaker 1: in a week and two nights and then you have
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  Speaker 1: a little window together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I mean now, like Laura and I will be
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  Speaker 1: on the couch and I'll just be scrolling on my
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  Speaker 1: phone because we're just you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, definitely, you definitely cherish the time that you
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  Speaker 5: have with each other, and you're like, if you know
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  Speaker 5: they're going in three days, you're not. You're like fucking
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  Speaker 5: making the most of it. Yeah, and then you're crying
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: at the airport, but then you're like actually loving this space,
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: get to get peace with the girls and.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Just have my moment and I'm coming back. Yes.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: How long were you trying for until you're like, oh,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: why isn't it happening?
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were nearly we were trying for nearly
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: a year.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: But I'd already been on the forefront and going to
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: my doctor going I mean, I reckon heaps. The chicks
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: think this, Oh my god, as soon as I go
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: off the pill, we're just going to fall pregnant straight away,
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: so like yeah, I was like yeah, so I was
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: like four months and why the fuck am I not
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: pregnant yet?
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: So go to the doctor.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: We do my am H testing, which we talk about
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: a lot of Yeah, so this is a really important
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: You guys have lots.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: Of girl listeners.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Okay, we talk about this is really helpful
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: on our podcast.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: We talk about this a lot.
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: So if you're a young girl you want to start
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: trying for a baby and it's not working or whatever,
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: get this tested as early on as you can. And
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: a lot of doctors don't just do it. You kind
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: of really have to ask. So it's called getting your
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: am H tested, and they're your it's like your amount
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: of eggs or your level of eggs. So we got
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: mine tested and you have to do the blood test
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: at a certain time in your cycle or whatever.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: And it showed that.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: I so I was like twenty six or seven at
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: the time, and my AMH was really low. The number
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: was like two or three, which it probably should have
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: been like fifteen, and it was on the scale. It
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: was showing that I was like close, like my biological
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: whatever was close to me being like thirty eight or
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: something rather than like twenty eight or twenty seven. Okay,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: and it but what it doesn't show is so don't
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: want that to scare anyone, because what it showed is
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: my egg account was really low for my age, and
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: you can't grow more eggs. So what you have is
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: you're born with eggs and each month you lose them,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: so you don't get more.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: But the quality of them was really high.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: So that's what we found out later when I started
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: to do IVF. Yeah, so you can have really high
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: egg count but really shit quality eggs, which is why
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: a lot of people miscarriage a lot or I mean,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: I don't want to speak too much. I'm not a
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: doctor obviously, but that's when my doctor was like, you
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: know what, this is kind of unfortunate for your age.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: You have a really low egg count. Turns out, my
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: best friend Chloe, who I do the podcast with, has
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: had it, also has a really low egg count.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Strange.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: She was like, you know what, keep trying till the
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: rest of the year and then let's start thinking about
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: freezing your eggs. You're still really young, but let's start
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: thinking about doing IVF and freezing them and shit. Then
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: but Chump passed away like a month later after we
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: found out that my egg count was low. So I yeah,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: I did go on and do IVF and like have
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: his baby later. But yeah, I didn't really imagine i'd
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: be doing that. I I did think i'd be doing IVF,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: but I didn't think i'd be doing it alone.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you mentioned Chump passing, and I do want
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to say I'm sorry. It's it's when when you hear
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: about your story, you're like, fucking breaks my heart.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so tragic. One of the.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Really unique things about your story is that in a
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: moment where you're dealing with unimaginable grief, you're then trying
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to digest that, but then at the same time, this
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: idea pops up that hey, maybe we can extract sperm.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Who had that idea?
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think someone said to me like like
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: pretty early on, like fuck, maybe you're pregnant right now,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: and like, I don't know. I just I think that
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: just went completely over my head. I was like, I
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: don't know, Chump's just like not alive right now. That's
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: the weirdest thing ever, Like I don't know.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: It Like in the first like.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like probably like on the day, on the day, perhaps, yeah,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Like I don't know. Imagine, everyone knew we were trying
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: for a baby. So every month my friend's like, how
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: you go, are you pregnant? Like you know, it was
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: like that. So the girl's like, fuck, what if you're pregnant?
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, just what a weird fucking thought,
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Like I still don't even believe that Jumpy's not here
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: and it's been nearly four years. Like it was just
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: such a state of shock. But my friend Laura Ane,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: who we actually met at her party, I was just
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: telling you about she had heard of her friend's partner
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: passing and her friends saying overseas, this was a story
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: that happened overseas, and her friends saying, I wish I
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: got his sperm so that we could have more babies
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: because they she was pregnant when he passed and stuff,
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: and she wanted more. And so she said to my
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: mum and my brother and Chloe, Hey, you know you
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: can like retrieve sperm. This, Like I don't think it's
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: that common, Like I hadn't I hadn't heard of it, but.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this is the first story like crazy, Hey, yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: not the first time hearing it out of your mouth.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the first story I've heard where you could
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: do that. I never would never think.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: So fucking bizarre. Like, so my mom and Chloe started
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: contacting the this is like they had literally flowed to
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the idea with me, and I was like, not in
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: any state to be talking to, but I literally was.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: They were like, do you want us to look into
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: it? It was kind of just like don't. I just said, yeah,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know, fuck go away, like yes whatever.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Did you know that time was so important?
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: No?
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't know at the time. I was just like, yeah,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like what are we even talking about
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: right now? Like I've just died, like such a do
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: you know what my friend Laura? Yeah, so Laura had
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: mentioned the idea, and then Chloe and my mum were like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: what the fuck are you talking about? That's so weird.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Like no, they kind of like were like just shut up,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: like just brush it. And then she was like she
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: kept pushing and she was like no, no, this is
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: like yeah, and I don't want to Oh, you guys
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: to regret this later, and you have to do it now.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: This is the story that I know later I wasn't
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: privy to this these conversations at the time.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I've met Laura before.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy for her, like just having a
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: place of mind to go, Okay, well everyone's grieving for
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the loss of someone here and then to go.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: But there's something that we could get out of this.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: I know for me, i'd be like, should I say anything?
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: It's so brave of her to say something.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And it's so admirable as well. Actually, because she was
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: a really close friend of Chumps. The loss of Chump
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: really affected her, So for her to switch into this
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: like no, this is like almost just being so realistic
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: and having to I don't know, have those conversations, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: I think she knows me so well and was like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: you guys are trying for a baby.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I think this is something you should do.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: And she was really pushing for it, knowing that if
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: we didn't do it now, it's something I could regret later.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Like I just couldn't imagine if my kid wasn't here,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: what the fuck?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: But your family started then making the phone calls and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: started digging around to see like the process of how
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: it happened.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: So like Chump's family was in town too, and we
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: were all like, yeah, I don't know, like yes, just
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: have a look into it kind of thing. And then
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Chloe and my mum started making calls. So there was
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: this lawyer that they called. They happened to call and
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: he had Weirdly, there was like one other case maybe
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: there's a few, but there was one in other case
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: recently ish in Australia, in Queensland that this had happened.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: The guy had died and Aila Creswell is the story.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I googled it and stuff. She had done this and
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: through this particular lawyer, which is so random that we
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: found him now we were chatting to him.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, I've just done this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: It's like this weird, so weird.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Why do you need a lawyer? Can you give consent
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: like as the partner.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Or Chumpy's parents also had to sign something too, from
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: I think from memory, yes, So the lawyer had to
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: just put in paperwork stuff. And then for the coroners
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: to go in and like actually do the procedure, they must.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Cover a whole bunch of differences.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, in case something really bad happens to you or
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: something really bad happens in the process. And then there's
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: there can be you know, the family can feel short
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: change here or there or wherever it might be. So
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure having a solicitor involve is probably the best
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: way forward to get everyone consent in one place.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Too.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not so all over the legalities.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Feel like this question comes up a lot and I
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: really should know, and I just fucking don't.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: I'm just trying to like, it's like.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: She's here, you're not taking her away, and that's that
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I don't care about.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: One of the crazy things is that they say the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: window was about thirty six hours. Yes, did you know
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the exact time?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Not really.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I remember the doctor who actually was having a day
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: off that day and Chloe was cold calling doctors and
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: the receptionist was like.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: There's this.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: This was like the fifth doctor she'd called, by the way,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: And the receptionist like, he's not in today, but this
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: is really interesting thing that you're asking me.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: And he loves learning, so I'm going to ask him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Blah blah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: He came in on his date off.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: It was actually nighttime that night, and he went into
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: the coronie and with the morgue and stuff and anyway,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: did the procedump on the yeah, in the thirty seventh hour,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: and he I remember him saying, time's so sensitive. You
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: have to legally do it within a certain amount of hours,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: where he got there justin and niculd time, like into
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: the last hour or something, but his sperm was so
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: healthy or whatever, and there was some wriggling around still,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: So like he's like, yeah, IVF in general is like
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: always a risk, and like it might not work, but
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: he's like, I just have a good feeling about it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: I saw them, like, you know, being healthy and wriggling
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: and moving, and so he was really happy with the
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: sample that he retrieved quite late in the piece. But
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: he did tell me that sperm can survive in someone's
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: body a week after they've passed, but legally supposed to
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: get it within the first like two days or whatever.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Wow, fun facts, guys, I.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Know, and I know like it was such like a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: turbocharge couple of days. Obviously, with everything happening on, your
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: emotions are high and low everywhere. I can't imagine. Do
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you remember in that moment how that made you feel?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: That that had distracted it? And he had said I have
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a good feeling about this.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Honestly, at the time, I wasn't thinking babies anymore.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I was just like, what the fuck?
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: How am I going to survive this day and tomorrow
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: and the next day, Like every day at that point
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: felt like a freaking mountain, mount Everest that I had
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: to climb to like survive and go to bed that
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: night and figure out how I was going to sleep
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: that night. Like those early days you're not thinking. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: was like proper in so much shock. I was actually
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: just not thinking honestly, for like six months.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: How long was it before you thought, okay, well, and like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: excuse my ignorance here, but you have to go into
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the clinic.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I'm a shine.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: Do you have to have they already got eggs already?
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Oh, they didn't have eggs. So it was about six
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: months after he passed away, and like, I think, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: just woke up one day. I guess the idea that
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: we had his sperm was always somewhat in the back
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: of my head, but like, actually not. I don't think
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I really thought I was going to go through with
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: it alone. But one day I just woke up and
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: felt so strongly about it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, let's make the appointment.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Let's chat to this IVF guy and just see how
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: that feels. And I went in there with my mum
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: and he was like, I remember for him saying. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: think he said something like it'll probably be a thirty
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: percent chance that will pull this off.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Kind of thing, and I don't know. I went away.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: We thought about it, and I think it just felt right.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: So he passed away in July twenty twenty. December twenty twenty,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: I did my first transfer and then I was actually
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: down in hat Head with some friends for New Year's Eve,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: and yeah, I had I had the transfer in me
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: and I actually miss like I don't want to say miscarried,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: but the embryo didn't stick, so IBF had failed essentially,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: and I saw it come out of me when I peed,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: like just like a bit of blood and shit, like
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: a bit of stuff coming out, and I was like, fuck,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I think that's the little embryo coming out. And then
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I and then that night was news Eve and I
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: can't even tell you how freaking depressed I was waking
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: up on that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: So that would have been twenty twenty one. The news day.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: I feel like twenty twenty is now over. Chump was
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: here in twenty twenty and now we're going into twenty
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: twenty one.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: He's like just gone, like I'm lead him behind.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: And then I was like, I've also lost this baby,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: and I just like I really thought this, this is
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: going to happen. So baby's gone, that had gone out
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: of my life, and then New Year was starting, chump
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: wasn't here.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck is life? And like
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I was so down. I couldn't tell you how you
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: get out of it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: You just have to get on with it and put
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: one foot food and like there's just no option. You
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: just got to keep going, like you just you just
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: have to get through each day. Some days feel like
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: they go on forever. I used to get scared for
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: nighttime because I'd be like, how am I going to sleep?
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Got back from hat Head and I was like, cool, doctor,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: it didn't work out my periods here, what happens?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Should we try again? Blah blah?
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: He advised. I was like, I was very much like,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: let's just keep going. Let's chuck the next embryo in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I had three, so I'd already done one. I was like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: let's just keep going. I don't want to waste any time. Like,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I need something to fucking look forward to in life.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Right now, I'm not good and he was like, you
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: need a month off rebalance your hormones, sort yourself out,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: like go, I don't know whatever. And that pissed me
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: off listening to him, but it was probably the best
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: thing I did. Had a month off IVF just went
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: and try to get through life. Came back in Fairbit
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: and did another transfer and I, yeah, my mom came
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: in with me.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I just like knew this one was going to work.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm not really a woo Wood person
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: at all, but something just was like, this is my kid,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: this one is the one.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And yep. Nine months later, Mini came out.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: It was a girl. I didn't find out it was
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: a girl. I found out when I had her in
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: the birthing suite. Everyone said she was going to be
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: a boy, and yeah, she was a girl and I
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: knew she.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I was like, I bet this is a girl.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Like I need to disagree with Like I kind of
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: wanted to be different because everyone was like, it'll be
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: a little chumpy, and I think they wanted it to
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: be a little chumpy, and I was like, nah, he's
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: going to give me a little best friend.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: What was your pregnancy life?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Do you remember anything about it that you thought, oh,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: fucking I hate this part of it, or something you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: really loved about it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I Chloe, my best friend's pregnant at the moment.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: She's right now and.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: She's just like, get this thing out of me. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I'm like, it makes me keep thinking back to my pregnancy,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: and I'm.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Like, did you have any cravings? Yeah?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just ate so much.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Just chocolate, just cheesing my scrolls, cheese, reggie chocolate. I
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: was real sweet and savory. I wasn't really one or
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: the other. Oh and Parsley and like randomly just really
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Parsley from the like just biting into it like a
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: bloody like like a horse.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: How are you Parsley?
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Now? I love Parsley. Yeah, well I don't eat it
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: like a horse.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: Anymore, but.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: You should up.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: But I look, I think I was pretty lucky. I
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: vomited a lot in the start. I had heats the
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: morning sickness, but it was all pretty funny. My friends
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: used to think it was hilarious. So I'd be walking
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: along the beach with them in the morning. I was
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: like a real early rise. I mean, the dog would
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: be walking along the beach and I'd just be always spewing,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: like at the beach. Yeah, and it was funny. My
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: friends would film it. We all like they still send
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: me videos, so like, look what I found. I'm just
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: like I was in the main street of Brunswick, like
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: outside the bakery, just like proper projectile vomiting in the street.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: My friend just sent me the video the other day.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yuck, what's wrong with me?
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: It's funny too, because when video.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I would I got it. I posted the other.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Funny because you know pregnant women are usually they're sick
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in that phase where it's kind of like you can't
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: really if you don't know them, you're an outside of
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: looking in you can be like are they just really
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: hungover or are they actually yes.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: A feeling you can't describe. It is like a real
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: hungover feeling and just a flat like yeah, like I
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: just have no energy, like I just you just feel
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: so shit in the first few months. But overall, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: do think I got pretty lucky and had a good
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: I look at Chloe and I'm like, man, and you're uncomfortable.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: And I was not uncomfortable at the end, I think
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I'm a lot taller.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I saw a video for me this morning when she
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: was walking up on them, and she just like she
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just looks over it, and it's kind of like I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: get like my wife is like I miss being pregnant
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: in certain certain stages. But I can imagine that that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: last stage, and I do kind of remember what it
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: was like when April was really uncomfortable. But yeah, I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: can imagine that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: I keep saying to her, You're going to miss this belly,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: like stop wishing it away, and she's like, shut up,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: But I do miss the belly. The novelty of having
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: that big belly is so fun, Like I just love that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I think I love everyone coming and touching it. Like
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: some people like don't touch, like, don't touch my belly,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Like I got it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I'm like, come and get it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I love it. Did you go drug free?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Ah?
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, I don't know why it was fucked
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: and I recommend getting the ebby drill. I reckon if
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I go again, I'm drugs. I want the gas, I
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: want everything. I got nothing.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: It was the worst hospital with you. Who was your biggest?
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Your mum was your biggest. Because you've you've got such
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: a big support network.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Anyone who's met you follows you, sees you can see
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: how much the people around you love you during that
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: time when you were like trying after Chumpy had passed.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Who who are the people that you think that you
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: lent on the most?
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my my mom, my brother, and my girlfriends, And
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: yeah they're got like I have, I love my friend's boyfriends.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: I've got like the strongest support network. Like I got
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: so many girlfriends, guy friends. They were seriously like a village,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Like they're all my brothers and sisters and we're so close.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I'm so lucky, so much stuff, so isolated.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I suppose having that support network you can those days
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: when you're feeling really shit, like it's just nice to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: be heard by someone.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: How do you think for other people who may have
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a friend who's going through grief, what are the things
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that your friends did for you that really helped?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: So I think it is really awkward for the support givers.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: They don't know like what to say. Do I talk
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: about the person? Do I not talk about the person?
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Do they want a distraction today? Yeah?
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Like what do you?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: And I always felt really awkward for them.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I was like, I don't want them feeling awkward and
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: not wanting to hang out with me because they feel
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: awkward because they don't know how to dance around my
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: grief or what I'm feeling that day.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But they were really I was.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: So open with them, and I think that's easier for
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: them to just like feel less awkward when I'm just
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: like I don't know, just like it's all out on
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: the table with me kind of think, Whereas like a
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: lot of people would grieve a bit more privately when
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: But I think just be there, just keep being there.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: If they don't answer the phone, just rock up, just
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: keep texting, just like, don't give up.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like your honesty would really help them too.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You're very sitting here next to you now, You're very
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: honest with everything.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I think that would really help.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: A person that's feeling a little bit awkward about how
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: do I help this person?
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: At this start, I was pretty open with just going
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I'm fucking dying today, like I don't know, be here,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: don't be here, but like, don't even talk to me.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: If you're going to be here, just fucking sit there
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: and shut up today, Like I just don't feel like.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Chatting or I was probably really open.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I think I used to be good at communicating my
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: feelings and now, like last week, I just moved into
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: this new place and I've just been really rattled and
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: like privately doing it, I think. And like my friend,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: like Chloe, that they lived down the road and they
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: were like walking past or whatever, and she saw me
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: just like crying, and.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: She's like, what's wrong? Why don't you tell me? I'm like,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: I'm just like I feel like I'm not as good
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: now at articulating my emotions and shit, weirdly, I don't know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: maybe it's more it's so much further on, and I
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: feel I don't feel like I know it's valid, but
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: I feel like, oh, I don't want to burden my
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: friends with this shit still, like but I know that
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: that's not how it is, and they would never think that,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: but like I'm like, I know they'd be like, well,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: what's what's wrong, even though it could be self explanatory,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: and then I have to explain, like I really miss
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Chumpy and I've moved and this feels fucked and dah
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: da da da da, But like I'm like, I just
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: think I feel. At the start, it was very much
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: like obviously this is how I'm feeling because of X,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Y and Z, And now.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, why are you so sad today, Like
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: why are you crying?
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, honestly, I'm just fucking having a moment
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: and still still griefy shit, just lingering around and I
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: know it's valid, but it doesn't I don't feel like
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: I need to, like, like, I think it surprises people
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: more when they find me in a heap crying. They're like, oh, shit,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: you should have told us, and I'm like, nah, I'm
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: just doing on my own now.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of thing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: That's I think a lot of people are like that.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when you've been getting so much help for
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a long time, you also have a sense of like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: oh I should be doing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: This on my own now.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think that too, and I am really an
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: independent person, so I think it almost like I probably
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: frustrate my friends because they're like, fuck, you don't have
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: to do it alone. Why don't you tell us you're
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: having such a shit time, like we're here, and I'm like, no, no,
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Like I think sometimes I need to do this alone
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: and you're busy, you guys are getting off with your
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: fucking lives, and like so am I but yeah, this
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: and like sometimes the waves of griefs now they actually
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: take me by surprise as well, and I'm like, fuck,
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: this sucks, Like I just got to ride this one
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: out and I'll do it alone because I'm not going
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: to know my friends about it right now. Like it's
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: like a bit of a different different motions.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no drugs for the child birth.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, oh man, for anyone who hasn't been in
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the room, For anyone who hasn't given birth, what's it like?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And especially because I can't imagine doing that without drugs?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But you're in a moment of like extreme pain. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: then what's it like when you get to see your
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: child for the first time and you get to hold them?
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, so hang the fuck on birth.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: You guys obviously have seen it as dads, but holy Molly,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: like nothing prepares you for that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: It is excruciating.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: And you have a plan, chuck that fucking planing that plan,
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: and it's not sticking to po That is so true.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Like I had a plan.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like a non planning plant person, but
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I was like, hey, I want to have it in
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: the bath, Like, I'm real, zone, I'm going to breathe
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: through this thing.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Let's have it in the bath. I couldn't even fit
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: in the fucking barth.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: My legs, my legs were way too long for this
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: public cultural bath. And yeah, no, the pain I felt,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: I think Minnie was apparently turned the wrong way inside
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: me and shit, and she was taking ages to come
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: out and blah blah. My legs felt like they were
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: going to fall off. They were numb but also killing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: The pain wasn't so much in the contractions. It was
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: more in my lower back and my legs. I remember
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: my through my contractions, I was vomiting so like actually
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: vomiting all over me as well. My mom was the
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: fear in my mum's face like said it all to me.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: I was like, I think I'm gonna die, Like I
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: remember saying that to her. And she had had beautiful
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: bursts with me and my brother. She'd had really quick
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: bursts and get the She said to me, birth is painless,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt. I don't know, this shouldn't matter. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: don't think this matters. But like in my head, my mum.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Is a stick.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: She's like a quarter of the size of me. So
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I was like, mom's miniature. If she can push out
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: two big heads that me and my brother had and
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: it's apparently painless. This is a walk in the park
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: for me, and my baby was pretty small, but the
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: way whatever the fuck she was doing in there, it
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: was just killing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So yeah, birth was fucked, and I it was too late.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: By the time I got through all all the hours
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: of dying in the whatever with the midwives and stuff,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: it was just too late to get an epy. Like
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: by the time I was like, what's going on, guys,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: can I get the epidural? They were like, you've literally
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: you've probably only got an hour left. You're abound to
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: start you start pushing. You've just done this for like
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: seven hours, like and I was like, oh yeah, okay.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Now it's like this is a mental thing. And I'm like, okay,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not getting it, like I'm going to do this
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: because I was like I should have got it like
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: ten hours. But when she came out, I was just
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: so fricking frothing and believed that that was over and
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: trying to figure out how to hold this sip slippery little.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Stug because they're so slippery, slippery.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: No one tells you that you're gonna drop it. Like
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: I wasn't in a bed. I was on all fours
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: on the little tile whatever the floor is, and she
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: was just so slippery, and I was like, shit, we're
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: all covered in blood and vomited and everything.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going to drop this little egg.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: It took so long of me just catching my breath
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: and chilling for like a few minutes before my mum
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: and the midwives were like what is it?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Check what it is?
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Like, what is it? You know?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: What's what's the sex? And so that was super cool,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: and I was like, holy shit. I was like almost scared.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: To like look because I was like, oh my god,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I can't believe I've just been so lost in this
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: moment of like just frothing that this little slugs in
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: my arms that i haven't even thought to look at
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: what it is because I'm just so stoked to have
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: a healthy baby that's screaming at me.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it was a girl.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you habilical cords also a bit confusing as well.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Your homos.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Do you have to cut it? Did you cut it? Yea?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: How hard is it to cut? Like Calamari.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: It was like.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: My mum had the scissors and was like chopping, like
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: trying to It's not easy, it's.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Shop because these are craps.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, literally the proper get cut over kids safety.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Exactly, the plastic ones.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: But nah, as you guys know, those moments are ridiculous.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And then I just remember they kind of.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Put me in the bed, babies on me, like figuring
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: out how to breastfeed and like that. But just like
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: you're so off with the fairies, You're just like what
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: the hell? And then they're just like stitching me up
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: and doing whatever they're doing. And that's not even I'm
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: not even feeling a thing there because you just so
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: wrapped up in like, oh my god, you've got a
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: baby on such a cool And my mum was so great.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: In those moments and was manny was she asleep? We
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: always say you get one or the other.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I reckon. I got really lucky with the
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: sleep thing. She is and still is a fantastic.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I see so many of your stories.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: She's a good sleep.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: She can fucking sleep anywhere anytime, Like I could chuck
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: her on the.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Roof, like.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: But she there's a few but so many. There's a
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: few butts. So first of all, the dummy.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: She still has a dummy, and that soothes her, and
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: that's how she sleeps.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: In as soon as she does. She's two and a half.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Was gone through in a bit and still oh yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: killed for a dummy.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: She just like, Okay, this makes me happy.
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: I feel it doesn't work.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's a lot of people in that boat
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: still though, okay, good.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: No, because as soon as she falls sleep at night,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: I take the dummy edge so and.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Then she's asleep. But then like say, in the middle
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: of the night, she like, dummy, dummy, dummy, dummy. I
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: have to go in find it, put it back in
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: social sleep.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: And I know I could just do cold Turkey, have
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: three really shit nights and you know, but.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: People say it could ruin their teeth, and to them
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: might say, fuck off.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to afford braces by day.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna work really fucking hard in the next ten
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: years and hopefully I have a spare few grand for braces.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: So that's my plan.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: To the other week, I was like, gonna go cold
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Turkey with the dummies and sent her into KINDI with
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: no dummy, and she bloody bit children that day, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: it's so mortifying and fucking embarrassing, not just one kid,
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: but like, I'd rather my kid be getting bit.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: We have a solution the other way around. We have
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: a solution. We asked the question to people.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: We had a family friend who same scenario, and they
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: they were like, I don't know what to do. My
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: kid is a bier, and I think it's like everyone
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: every parent's worst night there of like I don't want
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to have a kid that's a bier. So then after
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a while of like continuous bites and other kids they
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: were they were like, I'm going to bite my kid.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bit my kid.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: Well she cried and it hurt her, but she didn't
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: seem to give a fuck.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Another kid say, well, you've got a Jeffrey Dummer on
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: your hands.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I bit her back one time, for sure, But.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: So many parents were like.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Thankful, embarrassing prefers she get bit in and and then
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: I went, honestly, I can't I either pull you out
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: of KINDI or I have to send you in with
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: a dummy, because you obviously want to buy it something
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: and it's got to be that dummy, not another kid,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: because this is just so mortifying.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like the other kids parents are looking at me,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: going your kids. They wouldn't know it's a great white shut.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't know that it was your kid. They're not
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: meant to know.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Well, the kids can talk, now, can't they. I'm pretty
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: sure Brad.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: On the back and she were like trying to figure
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: out who it was. But she was very.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Coy, really good is trying to protect her friend. Bros.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I feel like all the kids in they're like, fucking
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Mini bit me today.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Mom rattling off kids name and she was like, yep,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: that was was that one? But it was yes to everything.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Oh nah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: But then the other butt is college so she had
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: colleague as a baby, and that is just freaking torture,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: like the unsetting stomach, the reflux, the vomiting, the screaming,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: so one of like, I always just remember these nights
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: where and I wasn't.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I had really good help, especially in the first few weeks.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: My mum actually had COVID after Mini was born, so
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: she stayed away from us. But some of my friends
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: were like, like mum, friends left their kids and moved
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: in with me and were their Tiana my main like
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: wet nurse friend. She was with me every night in
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: the middle of the night, like helping me. You know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Minnie's crying, Okay, this is what you do. You grab her,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: check on your booby, breastfea da da dada, like kind
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: of literally being my husband. Like she was teaching me
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: everything I needed to know about breastfeeding, you know, just
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: every fucking little thing, like you get the little rashing
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: on your nipples and all that cap and just like
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: all those things, and helping soothe her because she did
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: get really collicky and so like you'd feed for like
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: at the start, feels like you're feeding for two hours.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: It was like an hour on each boob and then
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: trying to get her back to sleep was like another
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: two hours because she'd be screaming and collacky, and so
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: that just sent me mental. Like I remember just having
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: her in the carrier or Tiana would have her in
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: the carry and we'd be pacing up and down the hallway,
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: and then one night she couldn't be there, and I
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: just always remember pacing up.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And down the hallway for like three hours on.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: And a carry out. She's screaming, I'm screaming, we're both crying.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: I'm like, fuck this, like shut up, and those moments just.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my first one was exactly the same as that.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the silent reflex I fully resonated with that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: You go, you're all screaming at each other for hours
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: trying to get them to sleep, and.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: It's like they're asleep. Forty minutes later, they're back up.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're hungry, and we're ready to again.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: For twenty four hours.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: It's heavy hate.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: How do you deal with the guilt when you have
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: those moments? Because similar, Lola was the same and we
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: had a couple of scares with her, and you want
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: to love this child more than anything, but you're just
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: so exhausted and so tired. You're also so frustrated at
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: them and it's not their fault. But then when you
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: have those moments frustration and you think, fuck I should
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: be yeah, I should be loving this again, and you're not,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Like how do you deal with those situations?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: The sleep deprivation is the worst.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: And I think if you if you're one of those
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: people that does happen to have like that chemical imbalance
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: after you have a baby and you do go through
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: the post partum depression thing that like, I imagine how
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: you could fucking spial because if you had sleep deprivation
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: along with that, you'd just.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Be like, I hate this kid. That is the worst
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: thing to say, like that that, thank God was not me.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: For people who don't have kids, the reality is you
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: have moments of resentment.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't love all the time like you do.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Like you might be like I fuck this, fuck this,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Like you could be in the worst mood and be
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: so resentful towards them. You can feel really really guilty
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: for a moment, but there you find you you find
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: your ways to get over it and love them like
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: like like you.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Do the whole Yes, And I think I had in
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: my head, I don't know, like if she was screaming
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: her head off and I was really like freaking hadn't
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: slept in like a week, I'd just lash out and be.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Like, shut the fuck off.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: And then scream at this tiny, innocent little egg. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: they obviously have no idea what I'm saying, So I
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: was like, okay, not really learning the kills, You're just like,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: oh my god, they're so innocent, and I've just yelled
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: at this tiny thing, like is that going to like,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: you know, it's not really going to affect their life,
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: but you're like, shit, but even now, like I definitely
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: am pretty crazy, but I will honestly, I do feel
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: guilty sometimes, and I'm when I'm too busy or not
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: super present, and you know, I've picked up from daycare
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: and I've got a million other things on my mind
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: rather than being in their car and going Minnie, how
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: was your day and what did you get up to
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: and what did you draw today? And did you play
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: in the sand and what did you bloody learn and dadda,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Like if I'm not doing that, or if I'm.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Just a bit like smitty shut up like a mummy's talking, or.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: You know, just like quickly trying to rush through the
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: bath and the bed and the dinner and all that,
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: and then you finally chuck them in bed and you're like, fuck,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: thank god, I can do me now.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I don't even know if I really
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: interacted with her enough to savo like that. Shit feels guilty.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: But I look at my friends who have a partner,
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: and it's so much easier to just be like that
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: tiny bit stoked, don't have that bit more energy when
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: you're like, hey, can you do bath in bed and
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: then I'll cook for us and then we can all
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: kind of come together and have that and that are
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: like I feel like I'm always rushing and chasing my
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: tail and that, like I struggle with that, and I
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: do feel.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Guilty about that a lot, but I do.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Also kind of I mean, when I say it out loud,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of like, I also do feel like, Okay,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: I should be kind of proud because which she's two
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: and a half, she's actually really healthy and thriving.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: We've moved, We've done so fucking much.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, you should be so fucking proud.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: It's like parenting is hard.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: It's tough. It's hard, imagine it and.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: A team and this periods where Laura will go away
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: for a weekend and at the end of that, I'm like,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I'm checked out. You know, you don't get that reprieve.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, running constantly, and not only that, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: then you're working so much as well. You've got podcasts,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: how you just got announces a cover girl first in Australia,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: shout out and thank you.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: It's so crazy.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: How are you finding balancing everything at the moment, you
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: got a million things going on.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, well I just chucked her in for another day
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: at daycare. Daycare is the best thing ever. But yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: I honestly, I get a taste of what it would
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: be like to be in a relationship because when Chloe
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: and Fisher are home, they live three doors down the road,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: and she knows my schedule. She actually tracks me on
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: fucking fine and she tracks me. She knows my calendar.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: She'll literally be like, hey, it's nearly four pm. I
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: can see that you're still fucking in some meeting up
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: at Miami. Can I Can I go pick Minni up
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: now and then?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: And then I'll be like, yeah, bloody, go for it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: She'll go get Minnie.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: I'll come back and find her bathed and fed, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: then she's got dinner for me, And I'm like, oh
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: my god. So I get a taste of how good
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: and I get it. I get so lucky with them,
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: like I get I get a taste of how good
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: and easy it is, and I get to really reap that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: When they're home, I'm like, fuck, you're on like.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: You yeah, you know.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: But then and that makes me appreciate my village, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: I feel so lucky. So I just lap that up
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: when I can, and then when I can't, I just
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: chase my tail and I get.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: On without my brother and my mom. They're awesome, So
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I have people that I can call when I'm really struggling.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a juggle. Like, it's such a juggle.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: You just have to not that good at thinking ahead,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: but you do have to think ahead and be like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: fuck got X, Y and Z, How am I going
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: to figure out who's picking her up?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: And what?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: So many logistical things you got to worry.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: And we like same with you guys.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: I'm always traveling for work and flying here and flying there,
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: and like I I most of the trying to try
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: and figure out how to pull her out of Kindy
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: so she can come because I actually miss her, and
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: then again feel really guilty if I'm going away, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: for week a weekend for some job and then she's
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: in KINDI a week, Like I'm just like, am I
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: evering going to see this kid? You know?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: So it is such a juggle, and yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: You just got to pull understand that.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the you're sort of trying to do your
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: life as well.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: But then it's like that you're kind of like their
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: whole life.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And it's like sometimes you can feel like if you
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: dismissed them a little bit early or just too quickly,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: just because.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: You're caught up in your world.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: But like I said, you're their whole world and they're
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: waiting for you to respond sometimes if.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: It makes you feel any better. So many other parents
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: are going through the same thing. We're up in the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast right now. I'm sleeping up here tomorrow morning.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Is those days are a daddy door to day, which
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I'll miss because I'm up here. So those internal thoughts
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: in the good that you've got, like we've all got in.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Some capacity, we've all got it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like you know, your situations unique with
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: what you and your kid alike, but everyone's got that
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: something that they go I should have maybe not said that,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: or I should have maybe spent that little bit of
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: extra time instead of satin doom scrolled for that fifteen minutes.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Dooom scrolling watching some other fucking kid on some other
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: kid on tiktog instead of your own stupid look.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's true.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: At Minie's KINDI there's another kid that also doesn't have
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: a dad, and well she had a sperm don a
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: situation and such a beautiful little girl. And I respect
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: that mum so much because she works her us off.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: She works full time, and I'm like, she gives me
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: like that validation. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I never imagine
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: i'd be working this much, yeah and doing not like yeah,
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: all on my own to be able to afford what
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: we can do.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: And she would think the same as what you think.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: About her, like we think about you like pride, like
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: far out. It's hard and she knows that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: So it's good that you've got You've got that sense
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: that you feel proud of what she does.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: She would feel exactly the same about you, I guarantee you.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well hopefully we've both got each other.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: And it's the thing because sometimes I'm like, I need
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: to stop saying yes to so much work because I
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: need to have more time for me me. But then
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: I'm like, there's only one income here and I got
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: to do it, and it'll like you know, yeah, kind
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: of just got to get.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: On with it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like one of the most common questions that
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: must get thrown that you are are you going to
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: have another baby?
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Are you ready to start dating again? Be honest? How
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: annoying is it to have that question thrown at you? Yeah?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: I think I used to find it really annoying because
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: I was like or like, I don't want to say
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I thought it was rude, but I wasn't. My head
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: wasn't there, so I was like, what the fuck, I'm
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: just like I'm pregnant or I've just had mini Like
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: what the hell? Like as if I'm going to find
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: someone now? And like I felt pressure too. I was like,
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: is that what I'm like? Am I just moving to slow?
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Should I already be with someone? Like I feel like
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: I can't, like you know, and or I had other
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: friends that they lost their partners too, and I met
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: them on like line and they already had other boyfriends
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: and stuff. Their circumstance was different. Maybe they weren't they
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: weren't having a baby or whatever, but I was like,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: holy shit, like good power to them, like fucking oath,
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: that would be so hard to do.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And eyes are on you.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: People are going holy shit, that was too soon or
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: that wasn't soon enough for they're comparing the guys and
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: like passing judgment and shit, and I was like, oh,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: I don't want that, and I was like, maybe that's
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: something I just keep super private and stuff. But now
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: I'm like actually excited about like what's to come, and
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: I'm like that actually excites me now.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: So now when people ask, I'm like, oh my god,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: I want to know too, what are we going to do?
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, who's it going to be?
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Just be a better, be a legend, And.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: I just can't wait to find someone that I just
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: fucking love and get along with and we just have
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: fun and mini loves and like, yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: It's the first time that we've met, but it's also
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: weird how invested I am in your life completely honest.
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah from the sidelines, like.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Love you, Maddie, and I love Laura too, She's best.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: As soon as I met her, I was like, I
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: fucking love you.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: As one of one in the same and love talking
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to Elidie. Oh, I was like, she wasn't wrong. We
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: do like to end on one question. I have forgotten
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to ask it a few times, but I'm not going to.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Figure out forgiven you're fired.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: When Minnie is all grown up and she's no longer
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: living with you at home. What would be one thing
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: or a few things that you would want her to
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: remember about the house that she grew up in.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: That's a cool question.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: Well, I actually have this fear that she's going to
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: forget about the house that Tump and I kind of
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: made our home together that I just moved from.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: So if you had to come up last week, that's
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: where we would have been.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: And because it's so special to me, and it's such
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: a sick house and I just love it, and she
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: had so much fun there, and I've got so many
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: memories and amazing videos there and.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I just hope that she remembers that. But she's two
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: and a half, so she probably won't.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: But I just have in my like little thing that
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: we're going to keep driving past that street and I'm
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: gonna be like.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: That's our first house.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: That's our first house, and she's gonna be like yeay,
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: dadda and always feel like that's home. But I'm now
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: in this little flat and for like a month or two,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: and then I'm going to move into this other house.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: And I think, like Rummy and I are is home
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: to Minnie and she's like obsessed with the dog. She's
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: unfortunately got to be a mummy's girl because she doesn't
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: have a dad, and well a dads here. And I
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: just think that what she I hope that she remembers
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: from home is.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Just yummy food, warm cuddles.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: Energy, like good welcoming energy, like come and be who
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: you want here, like this is your safe place and
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: no matter where we are, Like my dad lived in Sydney.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: He passed away a year after Chump died.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: But me and Chump like say, say, if we had
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: an engagement party down there or whatever, I'd never tell
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: my dad we were going. I just like me and
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: Chump would fly down or drive down or whatever, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: we'd rock up at Dad's with all our suitcases and
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: I'd just be like like run into his house. My
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: dad just scare the shit out of him, and he'd
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: be like fuck, yeah, Ellie, like you're here, come my god.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: And we'd dump our bags and be like, Dad just
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: got to go to this party quickly, we're running late,
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: run out the door. And he'd just like, yeah, you cool,
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: do whatever you need to do. Like he was just
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: so cruisy. He didn't expect anything. He was just like, fuck,
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: I'm so glad you can rock up with your bags.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: You don't even need to tell me, and of course
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: you know this is your home and you're welcome and
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: dadda and Trump.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Was always like I can't believe you can just like
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: fucking lob.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Up, say hardy your dad for two seconds, just hug
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: him and walk back out the door and not have
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: to sit there and have tea and chats for hours
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: on end. And he's happy with that. And then you know,
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: go to this party and then come back and then
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: we'll have a big fat day with dad tomorrow. But
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: like he was just so cruisy and just wanted us
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: to just do us and be happy. And sometimes I'd
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: go to my dad's and literally just be like, Dad,
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: I just needed to get away and have a nap
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: or something. And I'd fucking just lie on his couch
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: and don't even talk to him and sleep. And like
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: I just always felt so comfortable going to Dad's and
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: that was my place and my place where I didn't
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: have to be anything.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I didn't have to put on a fucking show or
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: you know, be.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: All like hey, daddy into the you know, like I
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: didn't have to suck up to my dad at all,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: Like he was just like stoked for me to just
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: go and be me.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: And that's what I want. That was the longest answer ever.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: That's good, that's what I want for me.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: I don't want her to think when she comes back
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: with her fucking boyfriends or whatever and has to visit
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: mom's hay house. I don't want her to think she
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: has to, like, you know, be on her best behavior
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: or put on some face or be like you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: it's not like that. I love her and I'm proud
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: of her no matter what she's doing. And I felt
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: that so much from my dad.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't have to.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: I could go and look so disheveled and hungover and
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: be sewing, and my dad would be so frothing to
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: see me and take me in.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: And that's amazing.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: You know some parents are a bit judgy, ah yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and not looking at mine.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: A bloody delight. Absolutely, And thank you for having us.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: We've crashed into your floor, your living room. Yeah, so
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: thank you for having that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you so much.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to get out to
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: break them back in your Matt's going to have to
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: lift me out.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: But it's been a pleasure.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having us in your house
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: and welcoming us into your world.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much, guys for having me.
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: It's been such a good chat.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I did need to wash my hands at the end
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: It's the first time I've done a podcast where I've
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: had to deal with an animal. Came on to me
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: strong at the start, talking about a dog here, and
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: then quickly made its way over to Ash and I
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: was like, glands over it.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: You making out with a dog. I don't mind a
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: good tongue lashes on the dog.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: And shout out to elid for letting us crash into
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: a house.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did get stuck on the floor.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: When you see the socials of this, we filmed it
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: while sitting on the floor.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: I've got a bad knee and someone had to help
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: me out.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Elidie was like, you, guys might be a bit uncomfortable
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: because we record for like an hour and a bit
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and we're both going no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: For minutes in pins and needles, couldn't feel the left
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: side of my body.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: I realized my midway through that.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, but if you've enjoyed this episode, we would love
• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: And if you have any other parents you want Matt
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and I to interview, We'll.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Try our best. We will promise you that.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: So you can email us at Hello at two Doting
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Dads dot com, or you can dms at the two
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Doting Dads Instagram page, or before Matt yells at me
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: again he yells at me, there's one more thing.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: You can do.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: You can go onto the Facebook group hype in two
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Doting Dads and join the chat with us.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Shall we get out here, Let's go. Buddy's Got.
• 1:00:43
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• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torrestraight on
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  Speaker 2: the People's Today. This episode was recorded on Gatego Land