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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Spoiled brat killers, young adults
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Speaker 1: that have everything at their fingertips, born with a silver
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Speaker 1: spoon and their mouths, never wanted for a thing, the
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Speaker 1: best homes, the best cars, the best food, the best clothes,
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Speaker 1: the best education, but still kill. What is that phenomena?
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. Take a listen to this. When the parents objected,
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Speaker 1: the fender produced a twenty two caliber pistol. He shot
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Speaker 1: the mother, Vincenza Tomasetti, age sixty four, in the head
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Speaker 1: near the right temple, and then shot the father, Rocco Tomasetti,
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Speaker 1: age sixty five, in the back and left wrist. He
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Speaker 1: struck his father then in the head with the gun
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Speaker 1: numerous times after he ran out of bullets. Plase say
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Speaker 1: the bodybuilding influencer then took off his mother and father
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Speaker 1: taken to the hospital, the child and mother unharmed. Thomas
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Speaker 1: said he was arrested later on that evening in Bergen
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Speaker 1: County and extradited back to Long Island Wednesday morning. We
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Speaker 1: were charging with two counts of attempt at murder. Second
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Speaker 1: and transporting back here to Nasa County to be arranged
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Speaker 1: Christmas morning, which should create the fondest memory spent with Mom, Dad,
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Speaker 1: Grandma and Granddad now tarnished for the rest of this
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Speaker 1: little boy's life. Let's Christmas morning. The man wanted to
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Speaker 1: take his one year old away from the parents and
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Speaker 1: the natural mother, which he did not have custody too,
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Speaker 1: and that's where the argument started. Okay, let me understand
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Speaker 1: that this double shooting occurred on Christmas morning. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about a young man named Dino Thomasetti in his twenties.
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Speaker 1: He's called an influencer, and if you take one look
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Speaker 1: at him, he can tell he spends a lot more
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Speaker 1: time in the gym than he does at school or
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Speaker 1: at work. So how did Christmas go bad? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen again to Darla Miles ABC seven, New York. When
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Speaker 1: the parents objected, the fender produced a twenty two caliber pistol.
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Speaker 1: He shot the mother, Vincenza Thomasetti, age sixty four, in
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Speaker 1: the head near the right temple, and then shot the father,
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Speaker 1: Rocco Thomasetti, age sixty five, in the back and left wrist.
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Speaker 1: He struck his father then in the head with the
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Speaker 1: gun numerous times after he ran out of bullets. Polase
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Speaker 1: say the bodybuilding influencer then took off his mother and
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Speaker 1: father taken to the hospital, the child and mother unharmed.
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Speaker 1: Thomas said he was arrested later on that evening in
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Speaker 1: Bergen County and extradited back to Long Island Wednesday morning.
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Speaker 1: So you've got this beautiful mansion with this mom and
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Speaker 1: dad who have worked their whole life to build a
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Speaker 1: fortune and a home for this son, Dino Chomasetti, who
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Speaker 1: then has a baby with his girlfriend and apparently tries
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Speaker 1: to take the baby, the baby boy away from his
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Speaker 1: parents and his girlfriend. They're having Christmas together, and they
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Speaker 1: try to stop him, so he shoots the parents. Do
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Speaker 1: I have at bass Ackwards, Dave matt Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter joining us so long when Jim Elliott,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of water Robbins Georgia at Butlersnow
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Speaker 1: dot com, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, and boy, do we need
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Speaker 1: a shrink? Forensic psychologists specializing where crime and law intersects.
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Speaker 1: Lisa and Daddyo for a police lieutenant and lecturer at
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Speaker 1: the Director for the Center of Advanced Policing, Doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida, Dave Mett,
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Speaker 1: what happened with Thomas Eddie? Have you seen his picture?
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Speaker 1: Number one? Have you? Okay, that's just not natural. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how does this guy? Does he have a job or
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Speaker 1: does he spend every waking moment pumping iron? That's his job? Actually,
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Speaker 1: he's a personal trainer, Nancy, and they call him a
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Speaker 1: social media influencer. Okay, And you do have the entire
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Speaker 1: story absolutely correct. Christmas morning, the bodybuilder and his family
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Speaker 1: all doing what we love to do on Christmas Morning
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Speaker 1: with our family, but he decides he wants to leave
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Speaker 1: with his son, and obviously this is not something that's allowed.
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Speaker 1: Right there, Right there, I got a problem. Lisa Daddio
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Speaker 1: joining me as I sat a former police lieutenant. Lisa,
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Speaker 1: one of my best friends, believe it or not, is
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Speaker 1: a female defense lawyer, and she's told me countless times
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Speaker 1: should rather handle adulte lord a crack dealer than a
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Speaker 1: domestic Okay, because when you get between a man and
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Speaker 1: a woman, a girlfriend and a boyfriend, you bring in
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Speaker 1: the parents, plus mix in a baby. They'll take a
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Speaker 1: shot at the lawyer. You can't even walk across your
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Speaker 1: living room floor in front of a window, because it's
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Speaker 1: so enraging to both sides. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: what we're learning right now? Dino Chomasetti, in his twenties,
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Speaker 1: ruins Christmas morning, tries to take the baby away from
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Speaker 1: its mother and his parents in their nice home having
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Speaker 1: Christmas morning, and he ends up shooting his mom and
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Speaker 1: dad right there in front of the Christmas tree. I'd
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Speaker 1: want to know why he wasn't he allowed to teach?
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Speaker 1: Why didn't he have any custody rights would be my
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Speaker 1: first question. So something obviously is there where for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed to take it, which spuelled kind of
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Speaker 1: this whole reach when he goes ahead and does what
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Speaker 1: he does on Christmas morning in front of his child
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Speaker 1: when he wants to protect you know, doctor Sherry Schwartz
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Speaker 1: joining me, psychologist, doctor Sherry, I don't get it. This
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Speaker 1: guy then sped away and his Cadillac Escalade SUV. You
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Speaker 1: know his parents paid for that. This guy is not
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Speaker 1: making that kind of money as a personal trainer and
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Speaker 1: social influencer. Okay, that that's not happening. Plus, I think
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Speaker 1: it's more him lifting weights at the gym as opposed
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Speaker 1: to personal training. Don't know that. I'm just venturing a
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Speaker 1: guest on that. But he's got a Cadillac Escalade, he
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Speaker 1: has designer clothing, he's got everything. He's born with a
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Speaker 1: silver spin in his mouth, and he sheets Mommy and daddy. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is somebody, Nancy, who clearly has no boundaries. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't understand that this is not the way you can
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Speaker 1: behave in life. And I'm going to say, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go out on a limb. You're right. We don't
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Speaker 1: know that he's working out at the gym, but based
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Speaker 1: on the photograph that I've seen of him, I doubt
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Speaker 1: that he's just standing around the gym. And I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if part of what fuels this rage is potentially maybe steroids.
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Speaker 1: What does steroids do to you, joining me, doctor Tim Gallacker,
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Speaker 1: a medical examiner for the entire site of Laura, what
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Speaker 1: does steroids do to you that put you in roid rage? Well, well,
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Speaker 1: steroids would put you in something called a roid rage.
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Speaker 1: That is one of the things that it does. But
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Speaker 1: actually the roid rage is part of a bipolar experience.
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Speaker 1: So people who are on steroids become extremely depressed, and
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Speaker 1: then when they rebound, they'll go into a hyper state
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Speaker 1: of mania. So that would be the rage. And so
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Speaker 1: the steroids effect the brain. Actually the medulla oblong got
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Speaker 1: up portion of the brain which is responsible for your rage,
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Speaker 1: and that's where it has its effect and that is
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Speaker 1: the basis of the roid rage. I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: this whole area. Hewlett Harbor, Hewlett Harbor. That is where
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Speaker 1: Dave mat the parents, Dino Thomassetti, his parents shop. That's
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Speaker 1: where they were. It was Roco and Mancenza Thomassetti, Hewlett Harbor.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure their mansion was right on the harbor.
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Speaker 1: You could look out and see the water. That ain't cheap,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac three point two million dollars worth of not cheap, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful home. What do we know, if anything
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Speaker 1: about Dino Thomassetti. What we know about Dino is he
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Speaker 1: is a personal trainer. He works out of Brooklyn. He
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Speaker 1: is what they call a social media influencer, which means
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Speaker 1: he works out, he posts video online and tries to
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Speaker 1: draw him business for his skills in that regard. Now
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Speaker 1: we know that he did not have custody of his
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Speaker 1: one year old son. Then actually the Todd of the
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Speaker 1: baby was actually spending Christmas with his parents and his
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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend. They were all in the room at the
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Speaker 1: same time when Dino decides he's taking his son with him,
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Speaker 1: and that's where everything exploded. And remember Dino put a
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Speaker 1: gun to his mother's head and pulled the trigger. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: then his dad, Dave Matt, he pisto whipped his own
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Speaker 1: father pistol his own dad. I mean, you want to
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Speaker 1: explain what that is, Jim Elliott. When you pistol whip somebody,
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Speaker 1: what is that saut the deadly weapon or mind getting
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Speaker 1: of a number of other things. I mean, that's totally locker.
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Speaker 1: That is the legal definition aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
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Speaker 1: When you pistol whip somebody, Doctor Tim Gallagher, what do
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Speaker 1: you do to them? A pistol whipp is when you
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Speaker 1: take the pistol or the handgun and you beat the
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Speaker 1: person with the handgun. You're not shooting them. You're actually
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Speaker 1: beating them with the metallic part of the handgun, whether
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Speaker 1: it be the barrel or the handle of the gun.
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Speaker 1: That is vicious. To do that to your own father, Well,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, I don't know what this guy's thinking, but
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Speaker 1: you know how he got arrested, right, Dave mac through
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Speaker 1: the GPM, Yeah, I do. Will you explain, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: On Star you know a lot of cards come with it,
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Speaker 1: or you can have it turned on. And that's actually
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Speaker 1: what they did, the police. I mean they because you again,
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Speaker 1: you've got a shooting, a pistol whipping, and you've got
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Speaker 1: a man running away from everything. So they locked into
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Speaker 1: using on Star, lock into his computer on his car,
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Speaker 1: tracking the GPS of that Cadillac Escalade, and then using
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Speaker 1: the on Star computer system, they were able to first
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Speaker 1: slow the vehicle down to where they can control where
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Speaker 1: he was, and then they actually stopped the vehicle and
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Speaker 1: then did a felony stop right there on the freeway.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, Dave Mack, if you know
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Speaker 1: what did Rocco and Vincenza Thomasetti do for a living?
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Speaker 1: How did they amass their fortune? It actually goes back
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Speaker 1: to the construction work in and around New York City.
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Speaker 1: Rocco's company actually built one World Trade Center, or was
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Speaker 1: part of that, dealing with the Empire Transit Mixed Company,
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Speaker 1: which is Cement and what as a contractor contracting, it's
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Speaker 1: not easy My uncle, my mom's brother built houses. My grandfather,
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Speaker 1: Doug wales for a living. That's not easy work. That
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Speaker 1: is hard work. You're out there in all different types
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Speaker 1: of weather, doing manual labor and overseeing manual labor. That
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Speaker 1: is not easy. So together he and his wife bill
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Speaker 1: this construction fortune and then they get shot in the
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Speaker 1: head by their own son. Well, he's not the only
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Speaker 1: spoiled brat shooter. Who will ever forget the name Elliott Rogers?
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Speaker 1: I know I want Elliot Roger, also known as the
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Speaker 1: Virgin Killer. Father and mother gave him everything. Mansion, wardrobe,
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Speaker 1: sports cars, not just one, but several. The dad a
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Speaker 1: Hollywood producer of major motion pictures. But what did Elliott
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Speaker 1: Rogers do? Another spoiled killer? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty seven from our friends at YouTube video Retribution.
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Speaker 1: On the day of Retribution, I am going to enter
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Speaker 1: the hottest sorority house of UCSD and slaughter every single spoiled,
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Speaker 1: stuck up blonde slut. I see inside there, all those
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Speaker 1: girls that I've desired so much. They would have all
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Speaker 1: rejected me and looked down upon me as an inferior
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Speaker 1: man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them
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Speaker 1: while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes. I'll take
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Speaker 1: great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally
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Speaker 1: see that I am, in truth, the superior one, the
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Speaker 1: true alpha male. Yes, after I've annihilated every single girl
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Speaker 1: in the sorority house, I'll take to the streets of
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Speaker 1: Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Elliott Rogers, father the son
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Speaker 1: of director Peter Roger, who worked on the blockbuster franchise
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Speaker 1: Hunger Games. Take Listen to more of the so called
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Speaker 1: Virgin Killer speaking on retribution YouTube video. Our cut forty
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Speaker 1: six has been very tortuous. College is the time when
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Speaker 1: everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure.
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Speaker 1: In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness. It's
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Speaker 1: not fair you girls have never been attracted to me.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me,
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Speaker 1: but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice,
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Speaker 1: a crime, because I don't know what you don't see
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Speaker 1: in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw
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Speaker 1: yourselves and all these obnoxious men instead of me. The
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Speaker 1: supreme Gentleman I think he's the one that is obnoxious.
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Speaker 1: But can you imagine what he has put his parents through?
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Speaker 1: Of what a privileged life they gave him. His stepmother
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Speaker 1: as a star of the French Real Housewives and actress
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Speaker 1: with roles in Lovelace and keep Playing for Keeps. He
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Speaker 1: posted video upon video of his forty thousand dollars BMW
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Speaker 1: thirty two eighty one coop. He flew first class to
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Speaker 1: Britain to attend a private Katy Perry show, but he
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Speaker 1: often whined and complained on YouTube. Dave Matt joining us
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Speaker 1: climb online dot com investigative reporter, how many people did
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Speaker 1: the Virgin Killer murder man Nancy? The total was out
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Speaker 1: of totally fourteen. And I apologize I'm looking at it
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Speaker 1: right here because I was looking at the number that
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Speaker 1: he stabbed in the number that he shot, because he
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Speaker 1: did both and which is just not the normal thing.
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Speaker 1: He kills his three roommates. First, there are three men.
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Speaker 1: He stabbed them to death. Then he grabs the gun
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Speaker 1: and heads over to the sorority house, the Alphas sorority house,
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Speaker 1: and began shooting after knocking on the front door. You know,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, you just brought up something really important. When
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Speaker 1: we have a killer that we're not sure how many
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Speaker 1: people he killed, that's very disturbing. Same thing about serial killers.
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Speaker 1: We don't really know how many people Israel Keys killed
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Speaker 1: or Ted Bundy. There could be so many more than
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Speaker 1: we actually know. And you brought up another important point,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac the moos method of operation to so operandi
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Speaker 1: change stabbing and shooting. You know, very often, Lisa Daddio,
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Speaker 1: I hear experts say, oh, well, it wasn't him, because
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Speaker 1: it's a different emo. That's total bs. Killers change their
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Speaker 1: emos based on the moment, the opportunity they have to kill,
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Speaker 1: as we see with Elliott Roger. Yeah, absolutely they do,
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Speaker 1: especially depending on the time in between what they have
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Speaker 1: at their disposal. In this case, I mean he listening
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Speaker 1: to him is chilling to describe what he's going to do.
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Speaker 1: So he used whatever mode, whatever method he had at
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Speaker 1: his disposal at the time to kill his victims. Jim
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Speaker 1: Elliot joining US high profile lawyer out of Warner Robins
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Speaker 1: with Butler Snow at Butler Snow dot Com. Jim, I
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Speaker 1: had this happen many times, but of course by the
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Speaker 1: time I got it was a series felony where you
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Speaker 1: see a spoiled brat who gets in serious trouble now
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Speaker 1: stealing a car or having drugs on you, depending on
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Speaker 1: how much drugs is one thing, but violent felonies that's
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Speaker 1: a whole another animal. And you look at the parents
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Speaker 1: and they're seemingly great people that have given everything they
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Speaker 1: could to their children. It's always been a phenomenon of me.
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Speaker 1: What do you say about it? Well, we all know
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Speaker 1: examples about from our life, our lives where some quote
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Speaker 1: kids are never told no, so that means he answered
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Speaker 1: everything is yes. And you know, so when they're unhappy,
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Speaker 1: they have the resources to slash out of people like
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Speaker 1: this this young man did. Do they never doctor Sherry
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Speaker 1: Schwartz develop a conscience? Is it because they're given everything?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to blame the parents because
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the parents fault. Well, I agree
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Speaker 1: with you that it's not the parents' fault that day, right,
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if I believe that if they saw
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Speaker 1: this coming, they would have done everything they could to
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Speaker 1: stop it, if not because of empathy for the victims,
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Speaker 1: but because they want to save their own son. Right.
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Speaker 1: But there is evidence from you the reading that I've
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Speaker 1: done on this case where he had problems throughout his life.
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Speaker 1: The parents kept moving him from school to school to school.
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Speaker 1: They knew he was being bullied in high school and
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Speaker 1: they moved him to another high school. And so as
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Speaker 1: a psychologists, they say to myself, but you have all
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Speaker 1: this money, why didn't you get him the help from
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Speaker 1: elementary school? You're moving him from school to school. How
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Speaker 1: come you're not investing all of your resources and trying
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Speaker 1: to solve the problem. And maybe they did, and we
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Speaker 1: just don't know about I was saying, I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: out in LA. You want to tell me they did
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Speaker 1: not send him to a therapist. Totally saw there, but
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Speaker 1: this just I would put money on it that he
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Speaker 1: saw a therapist. Speaking Elliott Roger's parents take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Dad Peter Roger on ABC. Every night I go
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Speaker 1: to sleep, I wake up and I think of those
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Speaker 1: young men and young women that have died and died
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Speaker 1: and were terrorized, and my son did that. My son
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Speaker 1: paused so much pain and suffering for so many families.
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Speaker 1: It's like a reverse nightmare situation. When you go to
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Speaker 1: sleep normally you have a nightmare and you wake up
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Speaker 1: and Oh, everything's okay. Now I go to sleep, I
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Speaker 1: might have a nice dream, and then I wake up
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Speaker 1: and there's slowly the truth of what happened dawns on me,
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Speaker 1: and my son was a mass murderer. There's no way
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Speaker 1: I thought that this boy could even could have that
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Speaker 1: a flee. I mean, this is this is the most
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Speaker 1: unbelievable thing. What I don't get is we didn't see
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Speaker 1: this coming at all. This is the American horror story,
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Speaker 1: or the world's horror story. It really is spoiled brat
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Speaker 1: killers whose parents have lavished them with love, money, material things, education,
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Speaker 1: giving them a wonderful home, a wonderful childhood that we
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Speaker 1: know of. But it's not limited to men. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut fifty. This is anchored Jim Rosenfield,
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Speaker 1: NBC ten. Still more breaking news right now, A fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl has admitted to killing her own mother
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Speaker 1: in a case that shocked the Lehigh Valley. Jamie Sylvanic
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Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to first degree murder today. A judge then
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Speaker 1: sendenced her to thirty five years to life in prison.
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Speaker 1: Authorities say she and her twenty one year old Army
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Speaker 1: specialist boyfriend conspire to kill her mother Cheryl last March.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say she told her daughter to end the relationship
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Speaker 1: because her boyfriend was too old. That boyfriend, Caleb Barnes,
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Speaker 1: is also charged in this crime. It was a brutal murder.
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Speaker 1: A fourteen year old eighth grader take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut forty nine six ABC and uprah Mcconjie, eighth
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Speaker 1: grader is charged tonight as an adult for killing her mother.
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Speaker 1: The Lehigh County District Attorney says that fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: Jamie Sylvanic conspired with her twenty year old boyfriend, Caleb Barnes.
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Speaker 1: He was a soldier on leave from Fort Meade, Maryland.
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Speaker 1: Authority say Jamie wanted her mother dead because she was
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Speaker 1: trying to break up the relationship. Cheryl Sylvannick was stabbed
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Speaker 1: to death in her driveway back on March fifteenth. The boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Barnes is already under arrest for the murder. Isn't it true,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mac that Jamie Sylvanick murdered her mother getting her
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Speaker 1: outside the night. I believe there had been a concert
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Speaker 1: and the mom didn't want her to go to the
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Speaker 1: concert with a much older guy in the military. But
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Speaker 1: only will Inn and I was going to let them
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Speaker 1: go to the concert, and the mom was lured into
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Speaker 1: a car and then brutally murdered. And the mom kept
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Speaker 1: trying to send a message to the dad by hitting
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Speaker 1: the horn over and over and over, but the dad
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Speaker 1: was asleep and didn't hear it. Didn't hear a thing.
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Speaker 1: And it was right there in their driveway when she
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Speaker 1: was lured outside. Nancy, if you can imagine, you've got Jamie,
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Speaker 1: the fourteen year old girl and her twenty year old boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Caleb Barnes, and she gets Cheryl gets stabbed in the
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Speaker 1: neck in her car. I cannot imagine the horror she
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Speaker 1: feels sitting in her own driveway as that knife is
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Speaker 1: being plunged into her neck and she's honking on the horn,
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Speaker 1: doing everything she can, just trying to get some help,
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Speaker 1: and it's there's nothing there. And just so you know,
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Speaker 1: she is now asking for a new trial. By the way,
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Speaker 1: I take us an hour, cut fifty one, NBC ten.
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Speaker 1: The soldier you see here will spend the rest of
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Speaker 1: his life in prison for the killing of a Lehigh
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Speaker 1: Lehigh Valley mother of the mother of his teenaged girlfriend. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: a jury convicted Army specialist Caleb Barnes and the stabbing
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Speaker 1: death of Cheryl Slavonic while her fourteen year old daughter
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Speaker 1: Jamie watched. That murder happened last year in the driveway
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Speaker 1: of Slavonic's home in Upper Mccungie Township. Evidence showed Barnes
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Speaker 1: killed Slavonic because she disapproved of his relationship with her daughter.
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Speaker 1: The team pleaded guilty in the case. She is serving
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Speaker 1: thirty five years to life for helping Barnes in that murder.
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Speaker 1: Barnes will be formally sentenced next month. And I've seen
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Speaker 1: a lot of homicides, I worn't a lot of homicide
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Speaker 1: scenes and prosecuted a lot of homicides. But stabbing your
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Speaker 1: own mother in the neck because she didn't want you
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Speaker 1: to date a guy nearly ten years older than you
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Speaker 1: in the military when you're just fourteen helped me out,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz. That's a tough one to take in
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Speaker 1: This is I think in a lot of ways, every
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Speaker 1: parent's horse nightmare, because here's her mom trying to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing and say you're way too young to
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Speaker 1: be dating this much older guy, and Jamie says, I
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Speaker 1: don't care what my mom says, and if she's going
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Speaker 1: to get in my way, then I'm going to get
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Speaker 1: her out of my way. And it's just shocking the
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Speaker 1: level of violence and the fact that she could be
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Speaker 1: there when this was happening. It's terrifying to you. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for the State of Florida
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Speaker 1: at pascaremed dot com. Doctor Gallagher, to stab one someone
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Speaker 1: in the neck, literally in the jugular is one of
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Speaker 1: the worst crime scenes ever. Explain, Oh, you're right now
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Speaker 1: to the jugular of the jugular of vain and the
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Speaker 1: karateid artery. If you hit the karatid artery, that blood
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Speaker 1: will spurt across the room. It'll spurt about eight or
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Speaker 1: nine feet and then we've had scenes where we've even
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Speaker 1: found blood on the ceiling of the of the room. Basically,
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Speaker 1: the heart goes right beneath that and it pumps very hard.
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Speaker 1: It comes very half of his blood goes up to
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Speaker 1: the head, and if the carotid artery or a de
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Speaker 1: jugular vein is severed, the heart will pump the blood
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Speaker 1: directly through that wound and out of the body at
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Speaker 1: a very high pressure. So those scenes are extremely bloody
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Speaker 1: and to the point where we have difficulty obtaining a
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Speaker 1: blood sample from the body during the autopsy for toxicology purposes.
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Speaker 1: And what's so scary about it, Lisa daddy O is
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the spur of a moment attack on her
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Speaker 1: own mother. She admitted that she and the boyfriend had
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Speaker 1: been planning the murder of her mother for over a week.
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Speaker 1: It just the rage, the horror, the obsession with killing
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Speaker 1: her mom, how it was done, to brutality that it
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Speaker 1: was done is just unbelievable to see the twistedness of
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Speaker 1: this incident. And the two of them have been watching
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Speaker 1: a little too much CSI, Lucid daddio because they also
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Speaker 1: had bought bleach and rubber gloves. It's gonna be a
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Speaker 1: mighty heart up that crime scene with bleach inside of
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Speaker 1: a car and with the volume of blood there, the
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Speaker 1: bleach isn't gonna work. And you know what I read,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, I was listening to testimony, the mother was
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Speaker 1: quote the glue that held the family together and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know the odd part about all of this is
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Speaker 1: how now her father is actually in favor of her
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Speaker 1: getting a new trial and throwing out the plea agreement Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: good luck with that. As we were saying earlier, it's
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Speaker 1: not just adult men that end up killing their parents.
27:55
Speaker 1: Spoiled brats that have been given everything who can't forget
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Speaker 1: Heather mac Take a listen to our cut fifty six
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Speaker 1: to Sheila's surprised. Less than two weeks into the trip,
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Speaker 1: Tommy Schafer, Heather's boyfriend, suddenly arrived on a twelve thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars flight from Chicago. She had no idea Tommy was coming.
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Speaker 1: In fact, if anything, Sheila had wanted Heather to come
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Speaker 1: on the trip to get her away from people she
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Speaker 1: considered bad influence. Is the last person in the world,
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Speaker 1: she wanted to say in Bali. It was him. And
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Speaker 1: so then the question is, well, how did he get there?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's twelve thousand dollars for an airplane type.
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Speaker 1: But Sheila would soon find out in addition to the
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Speaker 1: room he'd been staying in, Tommy's entire trip was being
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Speaker 1: financed by a credit card Heather had taken from her mom.
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Speaker 1: By all accounts, Sheila was livid, and do you blame her?
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Speaker 1: She was there to reconnect with her daughter, and all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, this boyfriend who she doesn't like shows
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Speaker 1: up on her dime. That must have been infuriating crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Heather Mac twenty five has also
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Speaker 1: been called the suitcase Killer for a reason. But before
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Speaker 1: I get to the fact that she's called a suitcase killer,
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Speaker 1: she was born to very influential, educated parents. Her dad
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Speaker 1: was a renowned jazz musician, the mom highly cultured and educated,
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Speaker 1: and they gave their only child, Heather Mac, everything she
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Speaker 1: had ever wanted. So how did they end up in
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Speaker 1: Bolly Dave Mack? You know, Nancy, you mentioned the relationship
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Speaker 1: there between the mom, dad and Heather. Well, the mom
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Speaker 1: and Heather had a very troubled upbringing for many, many years,
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Speaker 1: and Sheila von Weismack wanted to spend this time in
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Speaker 1: Bali as a vacation to bond with her daughter. She
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Speaker 1: wanted them to get away from all of the stuff
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Speaker 1: at home and to go to paradise and actually calmly,
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Speaker 1: lovingly reconnect with one another. That's how they ended up
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Speaker 1: in Bali, and that is exactly what the mother wanted
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Speaker 1: to do with her daughter. Well, everything changed twen Heathermack's
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Speaker 1: boyfriend shows up. Take a listen to our cut fifty seven.
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Speaker 1: This is Matt Douran Crime Watch Daily. Ten hours after
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Speaker 1: the wheels of Tommy's plane hit the ground in Bali,
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras capture him entering Sheila's hotel room with the
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Speaker 1: handle of a metal fruit bowl stuffed under his shirt.
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Speaker 1: About an hour after that, Heather and Tommy are seen
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Speaker 1: heading to the lobby with a silver suitcase, which they
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Speaker 1: placed in the back of a taxi before running off.
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Speaker 1: It's not until the driver takes the abandoned luggage to
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Speaker 1: the police station that they find out what's inside the bloodied,
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Speaker 1: half naked body of Sheila von Wei Smack. She had
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Speaker 1: been blooded repeatedly before asphyxiating on her own blood. So
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Speaker 1: where were Tommy and Heather? For just less than a day?
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Speaker 1: The media painted this pair as a modern day Bonnie
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Speaker 1: and Clyde. Young American fugitives wanted for a particularly brutal murder,
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Speaker 1: but their time on the run would end here at
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Speaker 1: this budget motel less than a mile from the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: Staff aloting police after becoming suspicious that the lovers had
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Speaker 1: checked in without any luggage. To you, Jim Elliott, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer Adawana Robbins, have you ever had a case
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Speaker 1: where you look at the jury as you put up
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Speaker 1: the evidence and they literally look away from the evidence.
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Speaker 1: It's so horrible. The crime scene photo, the autopsy photo,
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Speaker 1: which is rarely admissible but can be brought into evidence
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Speaker 1: under certain circumstances. Photos or a bloody clothes, whatever it
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Speaker 1: may be, the jury actually looks like they're going to
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Speaker 1: vomit and look away. That personal experience for a difference lawyer,
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Speaker 1: that you better see if there's any plea potential available
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Speaker 1: for your client. Because handwritings on the wall. Man, you're
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Speaker 1: not kidding, Jim Elliott, you are not kidding. I have
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Speaker 1: had that happen well a lot of times actually, especially
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Speaker 1: of course in homicide cases, where it's so gut wrenching
32:31
Speaker 1: and it's it's like some people don't like to look
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Speaker 1: at a snake because you have an an eight fear
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Speaker 1: of that. Looking at a crime scene like this is
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Speaker 1: something so repugnant. I've had gerars many times literally flinch
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Speaker 1: and turn away when they see this evidence. To you,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mac, they actually crunched the mom's hottie up bleeding,
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Speaker 1: put it in a suitcase, and it was left oozing
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Speaker 1: in front of a five star hotel in Bali. Actually
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Speaker 1: was left in the taxicabs and the taxicab driver is like, hey,
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Speaker 1: what is the suitcase doing in the back of my car?
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Speaker 1: So he sets it down on right there. They took
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Speaker 1: off and checked into a hotel without any luggage, and
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Speaker 1: the taxicab guys like, what the heck, this thing's oozing something,
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Speaker 1: and so he takes it out of his cabin. That's
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Speaker 1: where they find it. You know, the neighbors and friends
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Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on. Shot to find
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Speaker 1: out back in the US what had happened. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut fifty nine our friends at ABC seven.
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Speaker 1: Two neighbors who did not want to go on camera
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Speaker 1: tell me that Sheila von we Smack lived inside this
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Speaker 1: oak park Holm for many many years, but she moved
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Speaker 1: about a year ago, selling it to a developer. While
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Speaker 1: this morning, neighbors here are horrified to hear of her murder.
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Speaker 1: Police officials say the sixty two year old's remains were
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Speaker 1: stuffed into a suitcase and found on the Indonesian resort
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Speaker 1: island of Bali. The discovery was made Tuesday. The body
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Speaker 1: was inside the trunk of a taxi parked in front
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Speaker 1: of the upscale Saint Regis Hotel. She was half naked
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Speaker 1: with wounds to her head, according to police, and more
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Speaker 1: are fifty five crime watched daily. She was becoming very
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Speaker 1: defiant and not wanting to listen to any rules. And
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Speaker 1: Sheila and I had many, many talks, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, there's a reason the term trouble
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Speaker 1: teen is out there. But did Heather's troubles go beyond
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Speaker 1: that of a normal teen? She started skipping school, hanging
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Speaker 1: out with a rougher crowd, and even began stealing large
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Speaker 1: sums of money from her own mom. What did Sheila
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Speaker 1: tell you about what was going on behind Klestos, Well,
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Speaker 1: she told me that she was being abused by Heather.
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Speaker 1: I mean he was constantly being attacked physically. Haven't had
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Speaker 1: an explosive tempered I mean the little question about that
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Speaker 1: when he erupted at the slightest provitation. In fact, over
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Speaker 1: a ten year period police were called here on reports
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Speaker 1: of domestic violence more than eighty times. She would bite Sheila,
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Speaker 1: she would hit her, and it was to the point
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Speaker 1: of sustaining serious injury. Well Toather pushed her one time
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom and she fell and broke her arm.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Sherry Schwartz, psychologists joining us, there was a
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Speaker 1: clear sign of abuse by daughter Heather Mac spoiled bratt
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Speaker 1: on her mother, but no matter how many times police
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Speaker 1: were called, nothing was ever really solved. How do you
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Speaker 1: explain that dynamic? Well, this what strikes me about this
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Speaker 1: is it sounds very much like the domestic violence but
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Speaker 1: eventual homicides that we cover very often. Right, it's just
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Speaker 1: usually you know, the spouse of the abused partner. In
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Speaker 1: this case, it's the child, and it started such a
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Speaker 1: long time ago. I imagine that, just like in many
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Speaker 1: other domestic violence cases, the victim caused the police in
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Speaker 1: the moment because they're in danger clearly, but then maybe
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Speaker 1: they don't follow through with the prosecution. After all, this
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Speaker 1: was her daughter, right, so you want to try to
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Speaker 1: do everything that you can to help your child. You
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Speaker 1: also want to try to remain safe, and so I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing that there was probably an issue for police in
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Speaker 1: terms of being able to prosecute if mom's not cooperating police.
36:33
Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Dave Mac. I see the
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Speaker 1: same thread running through many of these cases you just
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Speaker 1: pointed out regarding the teen girl, Jamie Sylvana that murdered
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Speaker 1: her mother in the eighth grade, brutally murder her mother
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Speaker 1: over a boyfriend. Now the dad is in favor of
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Speaker 1: the daughter getting out of jail, saying thing here with
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Speaker 1: Heather Mack, the mom didn't really want to prosecute her
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Speaker 1: daughter after all the times the daughter had physically attacked her.
37:04
Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, it's an amazing thing when you deal
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Speaker 1: with a parent and a child, and parents oftentimes we
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Speaker 1: will justify our child and what they do, thinking somehow
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Speaker 1: and that we triggered this violence, We triggered this child
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Speaker 1: into attacking or whatever, Heather, When you have eighty seven
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Speaker 1: police calls over a ten year period of time between
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Speaker 1: a mother and her daughter, that's a little bit more
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Speaker 1: than just justifying an anger tantrum. This is violence at
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Speaker 1: a very high level. You're right. It's not just ignoring
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Speaker 1: an anger tantrum of some sort or forgiving petty offenses
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Speaker 1: in the home. It's so much more. But it seems
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Speaker 1: like it's a continuation a very innocent turning a blind eye,
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Speaker 1: and it goes on and on until it culminates in
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Speaker 1: this well, no Spoiled Breath Killer episode would be complete
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Speaker 1: without Anna Schroeder, and I've noticed whoever wants to jump
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Speaker 1: in that many of the incidents were a girl spoiled,
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Speaker 1: brat killer, kills her parents, or a parent it's over
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Speaker 1: a love interest. The first one I ever handled covered
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Speaker 1: was Sarah Johnson, who killed her mother because the mother
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Speaker 1: disapproved of her boyfriend. It was quite the phenomenon then
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Speaker 1: not so uncommon. Now take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: fifty two. Our friends at k WQC. Police say that
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Speaker 1: in July of twenty seventeen, Schroeder, then fifteen, fatally shot
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Speaker 1: her mother, fifty six year old Peggy Schroeder, and their
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Speaker 1: Morrison home over a dispute about a romantic relationship between
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Speaker 1: the teen and Rachel Helm, also then fifteen. After her
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Speaker 1: mother was shot, police say, Schroeder called Helm to help
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Speaker 1: clean up the scene. The two set the house on
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Speaker 1: fire the next day. The Schroeder's plead deal took the
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Speaker 1: possibility of a trial and charges of arson first degree
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Speaker 1: murder off the table. It's an offered. Peggy's sister, Charlie Wilkins,
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Speaker 1: told TV six and twenty twenty that she didn't agree
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Speaker 1: with and I feel everybody has the right to know
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Speaker 1: the evidence to see the evidence and here the evidence.
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Speaker 1: So I am disappointed there's not going to be a
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Speaker 1: jury trial. The plea agreement allows for a lesser sentence,
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Speaker 1: giving prison time for the now adult Anna a possibility
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Speaker 1: for anything from four to twenty years. Helm also faces
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Speaker 1: charges of arson and concealment of a body. You know
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Speaker 1: what the evidence that the victim's sister was talking about
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Speaker 1: will turn your stomach. Take a listen again to our
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Speaker 1: friends and cut fifty three k WQC. Following Peggy Schroeder's death,
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Speaker 1: police uncovered disturbing text messages between Anna Schroeder and Rachel
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Speaker 1: Helm that seemingly indicated the two teams wanted Schroeder dead
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Speaker 1: and even planned for it and hide the body. Health
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Speaker 1: and oh gras correct. The defense displayed multiple text conversations,
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Speaker 1: including a striking string of text between Anna Schroeder and
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Speaker 1: Rachel Helm showing the two teens conspired to murder Schroeder's
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Speaker 1: mother weeks before she died, responding, I'll help thill, so
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Speaker 1: I'm messed up. The same string of messages, which took
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Speaker 1: place in late June twenty seventeen, divulge their plans to
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Speaker 1: get rid of the body. So they could be together
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Speaker 1: and possibly live in Schroeder's home like you and we
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Speaker 1: can stay at your house together after week of the
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Speaker 1: Bible more correct, that's correct. The evidence which was discovered
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Speaker 1: during the investigation into Schroeder's death took place on multiple
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Speaker 1: devices and Facebook. Now let's do this quote. I will
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Speaker 1: literally kill her and hide the body. L m a oh,
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Speaker 1: laughing my ass off. That's what that stands for, Lao.
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Speaker 1: I will literally kill her and hide the body l
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Speaker 1: m a oh. Okay, cole old blooded killing of her
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Speaker 1: own mother, Dave Matt Why why did Anna Schroeder commit murder?
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Speaker 1: Because she, at fifteen was in love with another fifteen
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Speaker 1: year old and mom did not approve of the relationship.
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Speaker 1: That's what it was. Now, I hope you're all sitting down.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut fifty four KWQC. During
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Speaker 1: the hearing, the defense brought into evidence, Anne confirmed with
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant David Molina, who was at the stand as the
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Speaker 1: prosecution's witness, that Anna Schroeder sent home a picture of
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Speaker 1: her dead mother to prove she killed her. The pair
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Speaker 1: then began to discuss how to cover it up, and
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Speaker 1: then Regel asked, so, what are we doing with the
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Speaker 1: body again, question Mark and says, I feel like I
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Speaker 1: need to tell the show for my dad. Regel responds, Anna, don't, Anna, don't,
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Speaker 1: You'll go to jail. That was their response. She sent
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Speaker 1: a sad face emoji after murdering her mother. We may
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Speaker 1: never know why adult children kill their parents, but the
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Speaker 1: phenomena is growing. It's not as unusual anymore. We can
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Speaker 1: never know what goes on inside the mind of a killer.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds in these and other cases.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumbs story signing off Goodbye friend,