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- Lucas: So we've talked a lot about rolling SAFEs, rolling funds, rolling notes. But there's another rolling structure that's quietly gaining traction in the startup world, and it's not about raising money — it's about keeping people. Luna: Rolling dividends, right? I've seen a few Y Combinator companies mention this on their blogs. It's like a recurring cash payout tied to performance milestones. Lucas: Exactly. The basic idea is that a startup commits to paying out a small percentage of revenue — say five percent — to a pool of key employees on a quarterly basis. But here's the twist: the dividend is rolling, meaning it's recalculated each period based on the most recent revenue. If revenue grows, the payout grows. If it shrinks, the payout shrinks. Luna: So it's not a fixed bonus. It's more like a variable cash comp that moves with the business. That actually sounds pretty aligned with what investors want to see — you're not locking in a fixed cost that could sink you in a downturn. Lucas: Right. And that's why I think we're seeing this crop up now, in mid-2026. The public market has been rough on high-growth names — Tesla's down six and a half percent over the past five days, and the Ark Innovation ETF is off more than five percent. That volatility makes equity compensation less reliable as a retention tool. Luna: If your stock options are underwater, a cash dividend that actually pays out starts looking a lot more attractive to an employee who might otherwise jump ship for a higher base salary. Lucas: Exactly. And the founders I've talked to say this is particularly useful for the post-Series A stage, when you've got twenty to forty employees and you need to retain the early engineers and sales leaders who built the product. They're often sitting on options that haven't vested fully, but the strike price might already be above the 409A valuation if the market turned. Luna: So the rolling dividend isn't a replacement for equity — it's a supplement. A way to give cash now without increasing fixed payroll. Lucas: Precisely. And there are a few different structures I've seen. One common setup is that the company creates a dividend pool equal to five percent of trailing twelve-month revenue. Then, each quarter, the board decides how much of that pool to distribute based on current cash position and growth targets. The remaining balance rolls into the next quarter. Luna: So it's not an automatic payout. There's discretion built in. That protects the company if cash gets tight. Lucas: Exactly. And the employees know the formula — they can see that if revenue grows ten percent, their dividend pool grows too. It creates a direct line of sight between their work and their paycheck, beyond their base salary. Luna: I'm curious how this interacts with the cap table. If you're paying out cash from revenue, that's not equity dilution. But does it affect valuation or investor appetite? Lucas: For most early-stage VCs, it's actually a positive signal. It shows that the company is generating enough revenue to share, and that the founders are thinking creatively about retention. But there's a tension: if the dividend is too generous, it eats into the cash that could be reinvested in growth. So investors usually want a cap on the total payout — say, no more than twenty percent of net income. Luna: That makes sense. And I imagine it's easier to implement for SaaS companies with predictable recurring revenue. Lucas: Absolutely. If you're a startup with monthly churn and uncertain cash flows, a rolling dividend could be dangerous. But for a SaaS company with ninety percent gross retention and expanding net retention, it's a natural fit. I know of a company called Loom — though they were acquired — but there are newer startups, like the workflow automation platform Sync, that are experimenting with this. Luna: Sync — they raised a Series A last year from Accel, right? I've heard their CEO talk about wanting to align incentives beyond the executive team. Rolling dividends could be a way to do that without giving away more board seats. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the key phrase — 'beyond the executive team.' Most retention tools like equity grants or board observer seats are reserved for the C-suite. Rolling dividends can go deeper. You can include senior engineers, product managers, even the head of customer success. Luna: It also creates a culture of financial literacy. Employees start paying attention to revenue numbers, churn, net dollar retention — because it directly affects their payout. Lucas: That's a really good point. The education effect is underrated. When employees understand the business metrics, they make better decisions every day. And that's the kind of alignment that investors love. Luna: You know, this reminds me of something we talk about a lot on the show — the idea that startups need to be creative with compensation because they can't match big tech salaries. Rolling dividends are one more tool in that kit. Lucas: Exactly. And I think it's part of a broader trend toward more flexible, performance-linked pay. We've seen the rise of rolling SAFEs for fundraising, rolling funds for continuous capital, and now rolling dividends for retention. The common thread is that the startup world is moving away from static, one-time instruments toward dynamic, recurring structures. Luna: It's almost like the gig economy model applied to compensation — not hourly, but revenue-linked. Lucas: That's a great framing. And it makes me wonder: will we see rolling dividends become a standard part of the Series A term sheet in the next couple of years? Some funds are already asking about it in due diligence. Luna: Right — because it shows that the founder is thinking about retention before it becomes a crisis. And in this market, where it's hard to raise your next round, keeping your best people is everything. Lucas: Look, if these conversations are useful for what you're building or running, that's exactly why we do them. We deliberately don't run ads on this show — no sponsors, no interruptive messages. If you want to support that choice, the link is buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep the content free and honest. Luna: Yeah, and we really appreciate the listeners who have chipped in. It makes a difference. Lucas: Alright, so back to rolling dividends. One implementation challenge I've seen is how to handle departures. If an employee leaves, do they forfeit the accumulated but unpaid dividend pool? Luna: That seems like the cleanest approach — similar to unvested equity. You only get the dividends for the quarters you're employed. Lucas: Some companies use a vesting schedule for the dividend pool too. You might have a one-year cliff and then monthly vesting. That way, an employee who leaves after eleven months gets nothing from the pool. It's a strong retention mechanism. Luna: But what about the tax implications? If it's a dividend, it's probably taxed as ordinary income, right? Not capital gains like equity. Lucas: That's a critical point. Rolling dividends are cash compensation, so they're subject to ordinary income tax and payroll taxes. For the employee, it's less tax-efficient than long-term capital gains from equity. But the tradeoff is liquidity — you get cash now, not at an uncertain exit. Luna: So it's a liquidity for tax efficiency trade. And for early-stage employees who might need cash to pay rent, that trade can be worth it. Lucas: Exactly. And for the company, the dividends are tax-deductible as a business expense, which is a nice bonus. But the real win is retention. I've seen data from a few portfolio companies that adopted rolling dividends — their voluntary turnover dropped by about forty percent in the first year. Luna: Wow, that's significant. But is that just a selection effect — the type of founder who implements this is already more thoughtful about culture? Lucas: Could be. But the numbers are still compelling. And the structure is simple enough that any founder can implement it with a board resolution and an employment agreement addendum. You don't need a new legal entity or a separate trust. Luna: That's the beauty of it — it's not another fundraising round. It's just a change in how you allocate existing revenue. Lucas: Right. And I think that's why we're seeing it spread. It's a low-friction tool that directly addresses a pain point every founder feels: how do I keep my best people when I can't pay them Google salaries? Luna: So if a founder is listening and wants to explore this, what's the first step? Should they benchmark against comparable companies? Lucas: First, look at your gross margin and revenue predictability. If you're a SaaS company with seventy percent plus gross margin and low churn, you're a candidate. Then model out what a five percent dividend pool would look like at your current revenue run rate. For a company doing two million in ARR, that's a hundred thousand dollars a year to distribute among, say, ten key employees. That's ten thousand per person per year — not life-changing, but meaningful on top of a competitive base salary. Luna: And it scales. As revenue grows, the pool grows. So it's a retention tool that gets more powerful over time. Lucas: Exactly. And if you have a high-growth trajectory, that dividend could become a significant part of total compensation within a few years. Imagine a company that goes from two million to ten million in ARR — the dividend pool goes from a hundred thousand to five hundred thousand. That's real money. Luna: I think the key takeaway is that rolling dividends are a creative, founder-friendly way to retain talent without diluting equity or increasing fixed costs. And they're especially relevant in a market where equity feels less certain. Lucas: Right. And it's a nice reminder that the best retention tools are often the simplest ones — align incentives, share the upside, and make the numbers transparent. Rolling dividends do all three. Luna: Alright, so next time we're talking about rolling structures, maybe we'll get into rolling dividends for customers? I've seen some early experiments with that. Lucas: Now that's a conversation for another episode. But I think we've given our listeners enough to start a conversation with their boards and their teams.