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Ephesians 4: 17-32 with Chris Hanson - Identity & Renewing of the Mind? · Pursuing the Heart

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  SPEAKER_01: This is Pursuing the Heart, and this is Scott's uh Scott coming to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm over here getting going.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my friend Chris Hansen is on tonight, and he is getting he was getting into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I saw his head bopping over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: How's this going, Chris?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it sounded good, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's got a good groove to it, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was uh I was into it a little bit, yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was looking over there a couple of times.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, he's he's getting into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, I I'm into music for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Especially a lot of worship music too, yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're pursuing the heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, God pursued us, now we pursue him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh um we're just we're so happy to come tonight and uh talk about uh Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh my friend Chris is on tonight.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to tell us a little bit about yourself, Chris?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm uh I'm from Newcastle, Indiana.
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  SPEAKER_00: I originally I said whoop whoop.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, Newcastle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh actually, um I grew up in Hollywood Beach, Florida, down on the east, southeast coast of Florida, so I was kind of a beach bum as when I was a kid.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when we were uh when I was 13 and when I was a young teenager, we moved up here with family, and that's been my home ever since.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh moving on, I've been married for uh 22 years now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got a wife and um uh six kids and four grandkids, one on the way, and uh yeah, our family is huge and fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the chaos you learn to love.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you got a growing family.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got a tribe.
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  SPEAKER_00: You got a you got almost a full tribe, don't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: You got uh you said you said how many kids again?
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  SPEAKER_01: Six six kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: Six kids, four adult kids, two at two at home, two teenagers at home, okay, and then four grandkids.
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  SPEAKER_00: But with one on the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got one grandkid on the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got number five on the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: When's number five gonna come?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we just found out about uh this one, so next March, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_00: March Yeah, yeah, next March.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cool, all right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I got a let's see, a wedding in May with my son's finally gonna get married.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice delicious.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the big thing going on in my wife and I's life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so yeah, uh Chris and I uh met last or for this past spring, Kairos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and what um position did you have in Kairos this last time?
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  SPEAKER_00: I was an assistant leader last time at a table.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you gave a talk, it was really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chris and I um talked a bunch during the uh going up to the weekend and through the weekend, and I finally have him on um to give his story and just let everybody know who Chris is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh yeah, we had a great weekend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think I was I think uh I was table leader at a different table.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but anyway, um great uh organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: If anybody is asked to be a part of that, they should really pray about it and consider it really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's a very anointed ministry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the Lord moves to that ministry in an amazing way.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot a lot of uh, you know, seeing the guys come in, you know, the the inmates come in as hard as they are, and then man, by Saturday and Sunday, man, they are starting to be transformed, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the weekend is amazing, and the way it's all put together and structured is you know, the building blocks of everything to just lead the guys to crisis, just phenomenal.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it it's a it's a fantastic ministry.
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  SPEAKER_00: The fruit from it's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I tell people all the time it's uh when you call them by their name, not by their number.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and you know, the first time you meet them on Thursday, they're just giving you a fist bump, high five, maybe, maybe, and then come like Saturday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes some of them hug you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like brothers, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're opening up and just transforming.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting goosebumps.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're about to, so you can pray for our team.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chris and I are on team this uh coming October.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we're going back into the Newcastle um facility, and uh, it's gonna be a great weekend again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh just you can keep us and keep the team in prayers, um, and uh the especially the people who are giving talks, uh those are some really important things, and um so uh again we're pursuing the heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh we are in Ephesians still, Chris, and um I'm gonna ask you to open up in prayer and then we'll get into some uh scripture here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Heavenly Father, uh we just we we thank you so much for the opportunity to to share with each other and and just dive into um your word in Ephesians, Lord, and and just mull it over and and and just dissect it and talk about the revelation that that comes in the life that comes through uh your scriptures, Lord, and help help us to discern that and to to unpack that so that may touch uh the listeners, Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just uh just let your will move through um our our uh podcast, Lord, as we just learn to love you and grow into your word and grow together in Jesus' name, amen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh thank you, Chris.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we're going through we went through um first book.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've we went through Chris was Colossians, and then we went through Galatians, and now we're doing Ephesians.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the one thing about Ephesians, it's uh one of the prison letters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it is true to the church of um Ephesia, uh, you know, Ephesus over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh Paul has been there, he is writing this letter to the church, like mostly all the other Paul letters.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a group of people have come in behind him teaching a different gospel, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's trying to point them back to the gospel that he spoke about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, the first chapter is really good, it's very meaty.
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  SPEAKER_01: It talks about we're sealed in him, we have the we're sealed with the Holy Spirit, we are seated in the heavenly places, just things that as a believer, it's just like, oh man, you know, this is awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: We we have all the spiritual blessings that we could ever have, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are those are things are in chapter one, and then chapter two and three, it goes into um into very similar language.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's talking about the gospel, he's talking about the mysteries, he even there's a little prayer at the end of um one, and then there's a prayer at the end of three, and you really see his heart for people, and then you see how the love, the grace.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about uh I don't know if you've listened, but Woody was on, and he was saying that grace was just like um if you like biscuits and gravy, it's like you get more gravy, more gravy, more gravy, more gravy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's just amazing how God's grace and his mercy is for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we went through all that.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you take away from that first part of Ephesians?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're jumping out.
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  SPEAKER_00: From the first, yeah, from the first part of Ephesians, um, I think a lot of what I read into it is like Paul is trying to help establish your I the person's identity in Ephesians.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's he's laying the foundation for that and really trying to hone in on, hey, this is who we are, you know, this is what God has done, and he's establishing us as followers of Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's yeah, he's really laying that in uh, you know, get getting that into, you know, that's a good uh, you know, a foundational part, especially in the first you know, three chapters of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think they're very similar.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very very first, the first three is very foundational.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, it's very identity focused.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is very identity focused.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we're in four, and so he's now trying to unify and bring together the community, and there is no separation between Greek or Jew.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no separation.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like I've said this a couple of times on here this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's like no room of racism.
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  SPEAKER_01: There, it's like we're if you're a believer, we're all in one big family, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we have different gifts, and it makes up the whole body, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It brings the church together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like you might have a gift and I might have a gift, and it might be different, and we can come together and it unifies and it brings glory to Jesus, and no person, no part is bigger than the other, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's basically, I'm kind of given a very easy way of explaining the the first part of four.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like we're all made up of a different bodies, you know, different pieces, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we come together as the church, right, right, and we unify behind that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then uh let me ask you a question.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is your do you had do you know what your gift is in the body of Christ?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh my get gift, uh, yeah, if I really had to to nail it down to one thing, I really have an evangelistic Ben.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's been spoken over me qu several times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh wow, you know, I I operate in, you know, sharing the gospel with people, and okay, you know, it's uh it's it's a thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my wife sends me this thing that I have the gift of hospitality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I've been affirmed by several people that have the gift of teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, um, but hospitality is not bad at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Man, hospitality is amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a great gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: She sent me that thing uh this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was like, here, this is your gift.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, okay, no problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, son.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, but uh yeah, so basically, so again, we're gonna go into 17.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is we read through 16, but I'm gonna go back and pick up um I'll read 15 and 16 so when we get into 17, we can understand what Paul's trying to lay down here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it says, rather speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chris, we have talked about several times about the key word there, love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Built up in love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kind of express what that means to you when you hear that, like builds itself up in love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when I when I hear, you know, when I read through those words and um, you know, and I've got actually, if you don't mind me um saying the I have a uh new living translation version that states it a little bit differently.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I love all right, so that is so my friends and I call that the hippie version.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm okay reading that because I was reading that earlier, and I'm gonna actually pull that up on my phone, and we can read the uh um the hippie version because that's what I was reading earlier, and my friend's gonna dig this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chad, he loved that's the only version he reads, and uh so at um study on Friday.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'll say, What's the hippie version say on there?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go right ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it says uh in 16, he makes the whole body fit together perfectly as each part does its own special work.
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  SPEAKER_00: It helps the other parts grow so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh yeah, yeah, it's pretty, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I I see where you're getting the hippie, hippie uh it's okay.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's fine.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's fine part.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Way it's laid out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I definitely like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh, as far as um, you know, growing full of love, I mean, you know, when I when I think when I think about that scripture itself, to me, it it just takes me to First Corinthians 13 verses four through eight and and what love is and how we're supposed to carry ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if we're growing in that, then we're practicing what love is, you know, out of 1 Corinthians.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the love is going to flow from your heart, right?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're to others.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where your evangelistic side comes in because you're loving people and you're just like, yeah, hey man, let me tell you about Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that is that how that works?
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, yeah, absolutely.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, yeah, just love is it's the it's the crux of everything that you know the Lord is trying to convey to us.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the whole Bible is a love letter to, you know, to to restore his bride back to you know the groom.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, man, it's just a fantastic, you know, it's it's just amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it's full of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's full of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's full.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is, especially this this part of Ephesians, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like it's it's saying the whole body is come together, they know their role, they're building each other up, and they're growing together, and they're full of love, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Supporting each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then it says, with the Lord's authority, I say this live no longer as the Gentiles do, for they are hopeless and confused.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their minds are full of darkness, they wander far from the life God gives, because they have closed their minds and hardened their hearts against him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I sense that Paul is challenging them on their everyday walk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't live like you used to, like the Gentiles do, which I would say that's probably non-believers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't do what they do because it's it they're very they're they're just being torn around from here and though.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're yeah, different being tossed around for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because back then you have different philosophies, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was very influential.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then this is saying their minds are full of darkness and they wander from the life of God to gives because they have closed their minds.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I know there are people like uh I started this job one time, Chris, and the first day the guy walks in my office, shuts the door, and I go, Okay, what's what's what's up?
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  SPEAKER_01: He says, I'm an atheist, and I heard you're a Christian.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't want to hear anything about Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, Okay, we don't have to talk about Christ.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to.
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  SPEAKER_01: And but what was crazy is as the year and years go went by, right, he would just open up a little bit more about why he was so close-minded to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can see that in this verse.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever encountered people that are just totally closed-minded to what G if you mentioned Jesus or mentioned anything like that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I don't I don't have anyone that like stands out that's real standoffish, you know, in regard to that.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, I know I've met a lot of people that are skeptical about it.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, you know, not so so much, you know, in into atheism, you know, because you know honestly, it takes more faith to believe in nothing than it does.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, we all understand that.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: But um but yeah, it's you know, as far as uh, you know, a lot of skepticism out there.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, people just don't know because it's I mean it's up to us as Christians to you know to share the gospel with them, you know, and w everything that entails.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not it's not just the lip service and the words, you know, because we can sit and you know have a conversation with somebody, but if we after they hear what we say we're we're about, then they're looking at our lives, you know, and our lives need to line up with it, you know.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: I and I've I've heard somewhere down the line, you know, it's always be willing to share the gospel and and sometimes use words.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, your life has to, you know, reveal that.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: So what you do not just what you say.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Actions speak louder than you're gonna be able to do that.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I know in a like a public setting, was to say job or anywhere else, right?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: People are watching, they know one, that you possibly if you profess or you're a Christian, they know that they look at you like, okay, and then they are like, oh, he is different.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then they will sometimes talk to you, or you have that opportunity to talk to them, right?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and this is I think Paul's just saying, look, grow up, don't be like you used to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason why is their minds are just they're not, they don't have the mind of Christ.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're it they're full of darkness, they're going to act like they're not a believer, and why would you want that?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I get out of these verses there, 17 and 18.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anything else standing your stood out to you in those verses, Chris?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, when I go back through them, um you just see that when people um uh live apart from from godly people and just live their lives in the world and even in this time frame, you know, they they give themselves to the things of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the world's just going to continue to perpetuate that darkness, you know, because the enemy is the ruler of the world, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think I think, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: People give themselves to it, you know, and when they experience the things that, you know, the hardships of the world, you know, their their hearts get hard, you know, they get bitter, and they they carry these things with them, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in 19 it says they have no sense of shame.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: They live for lustful pleasure and eagerly practice every kind of impurity.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I can tell you, you can go to different cities in the United States and you can see that fully displayed.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Even probably yeah, today, yes.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you don't only you can talk about what was going on back then, but man, it Right.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty simple.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sometimes you can just go around.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's very relevant to today, actually.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very relevant, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's basically saying they're gonna act from a position of not knowing Christ.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't know Christ, you're pursuing and chasing your own desires.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: And those own desires are not going to be rooted in love through Christ, through God, and there's no yeah, it's not, it's not a good thing, right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then it says, but that isn't what you learned about Christ.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Since you have heard about Jesus, you have learned the truth that comes from him.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I usually would stop here, but I want to keep on going because this is really good.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Says, instead, let the spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes and put on your new nature, created to be like God, truly righteous and holy.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it's talking about two natures.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think about that, Chris?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: Two natures there.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think we have you know our flesh, yeah, that's our worldly side, and then we have our spirit.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: We have the whole spirit.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's the new nature.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: That is our new nature, and that's what we talked about.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you know your identity, your identity is rooted in the spirit.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: And you have you are a child of God.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: You have been redeemed, you have been saved, you're forgiven, you're you're washed as white as the snow.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you know your identity is in him.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it's saying, throw off your old sinful nature, because when you accepted Christ, you were given your new nature, which is your spirit.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, let your renew your thoughts and attitudes and put on your new nature.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: And the new nature is once this is the way I explain it to people, Chris.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe um you might have a different opinion.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: As you accept Christ into your heart, as I pursue him, God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit will change me from the inside out, so that identity and who I am will start to reflect on the outside.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what Paul is, I think, trying to relay to them.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Am I you you you're starting to hit on something?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I really dug into these verses, and the one verse that I really landed on and honed in on through the the passages you wanted me to read was verse 23.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, verse 23.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go back to verse 23 here.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: It says, it says, instead, let the spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of full stop right there.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because that is saying something very extremely important and not to be missed in the middle, you know, in this passage right here.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you and and even, you know, he talks about this in the book of Romans too, and and uh 12, 2.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're killing it right now.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Where he talks about, you know, the renewing of your mind.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: So there's two differences.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I did some research on on the verbiage and and the meanings of the actual words to renew.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: When he was saying renew in Romans, he was talking about re a renewal of the person.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when he's talking about renew in Ephesians, he's talking about keeping the same pattern going.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's not talking about a full renew, it's a little bit different.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's the um, you know, it's it's the engine that keeps the things going, you know.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't put oil in your car, it's gonna seize up.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, when it comes to, you know, let's let's talk about what it is renewing your mind.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, go ahead.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can't re you can't just go and and talk what he talks about in in the latter verses.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: He talks about the things that we shouldn't do.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you just jump into that and you try to do those things without the renewing of your mind, you're basically, and this is part of scripture as well, you're killing it, putting a new coat on over dirty clothes, and you can't, I mean, it's never gonna last.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like like putting on a coat that's too small or something, you know.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: If the scripture is spiritually inspired, absolutely, and if I'm reading it, I'm feeding the spirit, yes, yes and I'm setting my mind on new thoughts and new directions that Jesus is directing me in, or trying to understand the heart of God, right, and trying to understand who I am now as a Christian, if I'm reading the Paul letters, right?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that is that renewing, because our thoughts, like I tell people this all the time, Chris.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You probably would agree.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you're by yourself and I'm sitting, that's my favorite spot.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: You saw my favorite spots, out in my garage, I'll sit out there.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Different thoughts come in my mind.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: But if I'm I in impulse is we need to hold every thought captive, right?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes there's gonna be a lie that sneaks in, right?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: And that and that's the evil wants us to believe that lie, right?
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden, if I believe that lie, guess what?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Another lie is gonna come, and another lie, right?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: But if I'm renewing my mind and I know that that is no, that's not true.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a bad dad, I'm not a bad husband, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: You can defeat that by by knowing who you are, right?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: So so interestingly, you know, you you're you're all around it too.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're you're right on it.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: So so I'm gonna dissect this a little bit more, even reduce it down more.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Go right ahead.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my my wife is a brain rewiring coach.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: You've probably heard me mention a little bit.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: This is weird because this right here is like perfect because Chris was supposed to come in like after we talked about all this, and God has a sense of humor.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: He does.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And Chris's wife is phenomenal.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: So go ahead, talk about her.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: She she's a brain rewiring coach, and one of the things about our brains is our brains are able to rewire themselves.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's called, you know, the technical term is called neuroplasticity.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's exactly what Paul's talking about in a different sense, even way back then.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was confirming exactly, you know, the way it's done, you know, the neuroplasticity of our mind.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: And the way you do that is like if you if you start to make a path through the woods, you know, that's not been there before, but you start to forge through and make the path, you're making a groove eventually.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna have that path worn down.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the same thing as getting into the word and renewing your mind by living the word, doing what it says, reading it, meditating on it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: You are creating a new pathway in your mind to make a groove so your thoughts automatically start going to that pathway.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: It totally makes sense.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the next step from that is getting with other believers and processing those thoughts.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting chills.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, okay.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: So once you start processing those thoughts and you know who Christ is and the love he has for you and who you are, it will change your attitude.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: It changes your attitude.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes my wife will remind me, Jesus, Jesus is, you know, uh, she'll be like, you know, um, Jesus loves you, right?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know that, right?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's gonna be fine.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be fine, we're gonna be great, you know.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's that peace that comes from that, and it's just like a refocus.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I clicked my fingers if you didn't hear that, but it's just like a refocus, and it changed your attitude, your attitude there because you know the thought, right?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because you've read it, you know it's true, right?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's and then it's that rewiring of the brain because the way the way it was explained to me is your brain and your mind are a little different.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Your mind, you have the mind of Christ, but the brain is where all your old um patterns, your old things before you were a believer, they're stuck in there, right?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like me as a ex-drug addict, I haven't used drugs since uh 93, 94, Chris.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: But like if a difficult moment were to come, it in a second, it would say, you know, you could probably go out and use and it would help you in this situation.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I would say, no, that's not correct.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know who Christ is, and that's not who I am, and I know that after you come down off of a high or whatever, you still have to, it's still there, right?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: And but anyway, that is like rewiring that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: But those old patterns, those old things come up, yes, sir.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, great, great conversation.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: So 20 it says, um, so it says, renew your thoughts and attitudes, put on your new nature, created to be like God, truly righteous and holy.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: So he's talking about your new identity, yes, who is through the spirit that lives inside us.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: So 25, it says, so stop telling lies.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Let us tell our neighbors the truth.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: For we are all parts of the same body, and don't sin by letting anger control you.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Don't let the sun go down while you are still angry, for anger gives a foothold for the devil.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: So uh many people have talked about that.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what's your idea on that?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: I want to hear your thought on the don't let the sun go down for you need to make amends.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, that's uh that's I've struggled to practice that.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be honest, honest about that.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh, you know, it's uh I I do I do good to do it, you know.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know that I should do it.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's it's about g giving the devil a foothold.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what you don't want to do, you know, because you know, your your day the the next day starts when the night before.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not the morning of that you wake up.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: You actually start the day the night before.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a the way the Jewish people thought.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, okay, um, you know, do why you know, and God was telling us something really significant there.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Don't don't carry that to bed, you know.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you sleep on that?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like just remove that from from who you are, you know, and go to bed with a clear conscience, you know.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's it makes so much sense, you know.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just he's just steering us in the right direction.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it keeps on going, Chris, like 28 says, if you are a thief, quit stealing.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, use your hands for good work, good hard work, and then give generously to others in need.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Don't use foul or abusive language.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them, and do not bring down or do not bring sorrow to God's Holy Spirit by the way you live.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, He has identified you as His own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: So these are He's using illustrations here.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: And 28 is talking about a thief.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're stealing, stop stealing.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Give generously, because that's what the Spirit would do.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, right?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing with foul language, he uses that as an example, and it says, speak with encouragement, right?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Speak out of love.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it transitions into 30.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: It says, Do not bring sorrow to the Holy Spirit by the way you live.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think there's a term in Christianity called cheap grace where it says I can just go out and do whatever I want and it's all good.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I do that?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's not anything, all I'm doing is living in my flesh.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: So if I'm a believer, I want to do things.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: I want, I want to love my, I want to to go to church, I want to read my Bible, I want to pray.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's because I'm having I want to have a relationship with my father, my heavenly father.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do those things.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not a have to, but it's a want to.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't do those things because they're currency and I have to pay for my salvation.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: I do them because they are fruit.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: And um I think uh Jesus said the mustard seed, and if we know what a mustard seed is over in the Middle East, it's a very invasive um plant, it grows everywhere.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Your faith could be like a mustard seed.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you so if you're pursuing him and pursuing Jesus, this is gonna grow, grow, grow, grow.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's basically it's just gonna, it's like uh I used this last Friday.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um down south, they have that nasty ivy, you know what I'm talking about, grows everywhere.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I hate it because I okay, so this is this is me, Chris.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in southwest Georgia, right?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's all over Georgia, right?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: But as a kid, there wasn't any.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: And and this is this is me.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: I remember um my parents and my grandparents talking about this new thing that kutsu, right?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Where did it come from?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's folklore, we don't have to really go into that, but all that that thing is the most evasive thing I've ever seen.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: It will so when I was driving to my brother's house in Tennessee a couple weeks ago, I'm going through Virginia, and you wouldn't think kutsu would all be all the way in Virginia.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was all the way from the base of the mountain all the way to the top.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it just suffocates everything and kills everything.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's the same thing as sin.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: As you're just going out living in your flesh, you're killing just who you are.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're pursuing your own desires.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a believer, you should be pursuing Christ.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I make mistakes.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Chris probably makes mistakes.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't have to tell me I don't think he's a perfect person.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: No one is really.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're continuing and continuing and continuing to do the same thing over and over again, it's kind of like what it's saying here about the the spirit.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you want why would you want to bring sorrow to the spirit by doing that over and over and over again?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's so to me when I when I think of, you know, um, you know, what sin does to you, and in that regard, I think of um deception.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I if I'm living in sin and I've so I've known Christ, um but then I get comfortable and I manipulate things to, you know, to a line, you know, even take scripture and you know, kind of twist it to align with, you know, what I already want, then I deceive myself, you know.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: But what happens is in the deception of it all, it becomes a habit that we don't even realize we're doing.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we become comfortable and we excuse it.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, in that, that is a sin habit that is detrimental to can be detrimental to your eternity, you know, if you stay in that place and live in deception.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think you, you know, there's you know, a a scripture that relates to this is not exactly in uh Ephesians, if you don't mind me quoting it.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's Matthew 7 21, when Jesus says, not not everyone who who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter, you know, the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my father, you know.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: So he's that's a a that's a shot across the bow to say, listen, you know, obedience is important, you know, and it's it's again, it's not currency, it's it's the fruit of the relationship with Christ, you know.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Christ doesn't abandon us, he corrects the ones he loves.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: So he comes to us, he corrects us, he brings all these things to us and to transform us, to, to walk like him.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: But we don't just walk like him because the Bible says I'm supposed to do it.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just right, you know, it's just the habit that I do.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's I do this because I know what's been done for me.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful, I'm thankful, I'm appreciative, I know what I've been delivered from, and I don't deserve it, but I I I I have it, I possess it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I honor that, and I want to do everything I can to continue to stay on that path going forward.
• 41:38
  unknown: Right.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and I think that's just what he's reinforcing.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's what Paul's reinforcing right here is listen, all these habits, man, you gotta get away from these habits.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: But again, you know, if I can pull it back even a little bit.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when he was when it I'm even I'm gonna back up to 423 again about about the you know the renewing about the renewing of the mind because it all so so let me I I've got some notes here because I would I I I I like I want to share them.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Go right ahead.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: So in in four uh in 17 through 24, um, okay, let me let me start.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Chapter 4 opens up with walk worthy of your calling.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay, and then it shifts into living it out.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: So 17 through 24 turns into a pivot point, and 423 is the load-bearing beam in that pivot, right?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the only piece of the old self and new self unit written in continuous, ongoing tense, okay?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: So that's saying all that in 425 uh through chapter six, he then you know goes into this specific behavior.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Stop lying, don't uh let anger fester, stop stealing, you know, no corrosive talk, be kind, forgive, submit, love your spouse, etc.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: But if you read those later chapters as a starting point and just do these behav uh just do these behaviors and you'll become righteous, you get exactly the moralism you're describing, clean clothes over an unwashed body, right?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if 423 is the engine, right?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: If it's the engine, then 425 onward isn't the method for becoming holy.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's the evidence that renewal is actually happening.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: You stop telling lies.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's the opposite of that?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes, right.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: So so that that is 23.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: It says instead, let the spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes, put on your New nature, yes, created to be like God, truly righteous and holy.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then he gives a bunch of examples here from 20 25 all the way to the end there, 30.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: The next five verses are all about behaviors.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's all about reflection.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it's behaviors, reflection, but they're all they're all downstream.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're not the source.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the meaningful distinction and it's it's the same one that separates the willpower-driven behavior and on top of the unaddressed pattern, you know.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it it tends to snap back, you know, if if you know, you just put a coat on, man.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, because, you know, and you actually because the actual operating system underneath was never touched, you know, if you don't renew the mind, you know, you just you can't fast forward past so Chris.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting I'm getting this idea that renewing your mind is very important.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is absolutely important.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's I'm catching this from you.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's and and I can see like we don't have video here, but he was about to stand up and start doing motions with his hands.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna he's getting animated, but to bring it so like if you are renewing your thoughts and attitudes to reflect the spirit, reflect your new nature, yes, then you're gonna progress away from these habits.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, from 25 through 30.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're an immature believer, you're you're new in your faith, yes, you're you are going to reflect 25 through 30.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: But as you grow in your faith, and as you mature, yeah, you will start reflecting what is in the inside, which is your new nature, and it will start reflecting, and you're going to move away from what's in 25 through 30.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: We good?
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm getting, man.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: I like that because 30 says, or uh 31, you got it right, says, get rid of all bitterness, ray, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of evil behavior.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: So again, renewing your mind and your thoughts and your attitudes to reflect your new nature, yes, which is your new identity in Christ.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: And as you're growing in that new identity, it's right there, right?
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because you can get rid he's saying you can take this as like, well, I need to do these things.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: But what I like what you said is you go all the way back to 23.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you really need to do.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because once you start doing that, renewing your thoughts and attitudes, yes, you will not be having issues with 25 through 31.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's absolutely correct.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: It will reflect your behavior.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you renew your mind, then the the right behavior becomes the fruit of renewing your mind.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: And again, renewing your mind could look at different different ways, right?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: It could be reading the word.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: Meditating on the word.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Praying.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: It could be meeting up with another believer and having a one-on-one with that person that might be a little bit more ahead of their spiritual journey than you are.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Or it could just be sitting around a group of people talking about Jesus.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Renewing your mind.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: It could just be going to church on Sunday, renewing your mind that way.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or singing praise and worship songs.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes that just keeps that re that helps me refocus.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: When you sing, so this fun fact.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: When you worship, it's actually a regulation tool to help you get in your parasympathetic nervous system, which is where you want to be in your mind, anyways.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Chris.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: You just I'm from Southwest Georgia.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: You just said a bunch of big words.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Can you make it dumb down for us, Georgia fur?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Your frontal lobe of your brain where you're your best self, okay?
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: So so in the brain rewiring world, um when uh I'll give you a quick synopsis of the case.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go right ahead.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: So so what you deal with in brain rewiring is there's uh a some terms called the four Fs, and they're called fight, flight, freeze, and fawn.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right, you guys need to write that down.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Repeat those again.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Fight, flight, freeze, and fawn.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: And when you are in your mind and you're in those places in your mind, you're actually in the back of your mind and in your amygdala, okay?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: And you're not able to move into the frontal part of your frontal lobe, which is your parasympathetic nervous system, which is where you want to be.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you're in this part of your mind and living from this part of your mind, you're your best self.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: You can be logical, you can connect with God, and you're able to be creative and all the things you need to be.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: And singing a worship song.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Singing a worship song brings you into your parasympathetic nervous system.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the ways.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Praying does okay deep breathing, breathing exercises does, stretching.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: There, there's a lot of different tools.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: My friend, what tells me stretching, like he when he so he uses the example of my friend Keith.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: He says, if I'm in line and the person in front of me is like, you know, you've been to McDonald's and they're a thousand times and they're like, What should I get?
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets all like tense back there, like why don't the person he just starts stretching his legs?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he does.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because it he says that you uh you your focus now is on stretching.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what you're saying?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, go ahead.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just, you know, these these tools they bring you into that place where, you know, um, it's the worship, you know, back to talking about worship, man.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: Worship, you know, you want to be able to connect with God.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's you have to be in the right part of your mind.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can give yourself to worship, it connects you with God and brings you into the right place in your mind.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's so, you know, when people are people live their lives stuck in their in one of their four F's or a couple of their four F's.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you you've lived your life stuck in your your fight or flight mode or your freeze mode or in fawn mode, then you've you've got trauma that's kept you there, you know, and that's part of the whole, you know, what my wife does.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: She helps people to understand, you know, the trauma that they went through and and you know, gives them the tools to get out of it.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, you know, she will take them on a journey with the Lord to allow the Lord to heal that trauma traumatic place in their mind that put them back there in the first place.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I had I had an event happen to me when I was young, and it it put me in in a place, you know, in my mind where I was in freeze and then I was in um I was in flight forever, you know, and I got into fight sometimes, you know, and I lived my life from that place for the longest time, and I didn't even have the language to even talk, just getting the language, you know, to even understand what you've been dealing with is really key.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's really incredible, you know.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: So your wife, your wife, and what you have done is rewired that.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: The rewiring is get allowing the Lord to bring healing to the trauma and then creating new new neural pathways.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really crazy because that's what Paul's trying to say here.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly what Paul was saying.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Renew your thoughts and attitudes to reflect your new nature.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what he's saying.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's wild, man.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um at the end of this, you need to put on here if anybody wants to reach out to your wife for assistance, how they could do that.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely get with her and how she can walk you, talk to you if you are in that position where you want help in rewiring, if it's something that you are experiencing, if you've had trauma in your life, his wife would be more than happy to help you go through that, right?
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: She has some tools, that's for sure.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's got some tools in the tool tool chest.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: She's she's got some.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, Chris, um Chris, tell us uh how you came to know Jesus.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, wow.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh so um my journey has been so interesting with the Lord.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um when when I uh was a teenager, I I first had, I will say I I didn't that wasn't my salvation experience, but I had an encounter with the Lord.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was I went to um in my junior year, I started going, I had a friend that reached out to me, and man, he showed me something that I didn't see.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up in a highly dysfunctional household, drug abuse, you know, it was just just a bad scene, you know.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: I without going into a lot of detail.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I had this one friend, and he actually lived in a different town, but he would drive all the way to our town to go to school.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he just decided to befriend me, you know, and became like my best friend.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I started going and hanging out and spending the night at his house, and you know, he he invited me in to be part of his family and showed me a a functioning family that loved each other, which was cool, man.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard, like if you've never seen that.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, what is this, man?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I I liked to go there, man.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was really enjoyable.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: They were his family, he was really cool.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: They embraced me, and uh, he didn't have any brothers or sisters or anything, it was just Sam and his parents, but his dad was the pastor of a Nazarene church.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, they eventually invited me to church, and you know, I ended up, you know, having a what I thought was a salvation experience, but I, you know, I I didn't there wasn't a good discipleship program and nobody actually well we got out of school, you know, we graduated high school and you know, we all went our separate ways and I didn't have anybody to to disciple me, you know, so I kind of went back to my, you know, went back to my old ways, you know, and and kind of ran from it, you know.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was an experience I was like, oh, this is cool, but you know, I no transformation started to happen, no renewing of my mind happened at that point, you know.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: So fast forward, you know, to 2001.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is back in the 19, the the late 1980s when I had this experience.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: 1986 is when I had that first experience.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: But fast forward to 2001, and I'm I'm just I'm beat down, I'm divorced, I'm destitute, I'm you know, I'm got two nickels to rub together.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I you know, trying to figure out what I'm gonna do with my life, you know, and I have no idea.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I get invited to a church, man, and I set foot in there, and I'm like, oh my Lord, thank you so much.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was, it was just the overwhelming love of like God was like, You're home now.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus had been like just never gave up on me, man, and and just embraced me with full on, man.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: And after that, I had these moments of uh where I would sit in the middle of my living room of my apartment for hours travailing and weeping because of the thankfulness of in my heart for what I'd been forgiven for, man.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it was it was just a sweet, sweet time.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was a honeymoon, man, of me and Jesus, man.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just him, him loving me and him grounding me, you know, to the point that I never never went back the other way, man.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: I just full on, you know, there's been times where you really slow down and you grind to a halt and you're barely moving sometimes, I think, you know, and the growth, growth part of things.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: But man, I mean, just it's transformed my life, man.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and restored me too, you know.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Everything was stolen from me because I tried to build my own kingdom, you know, and then it all got stripped away.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: But then God helped me to build the kingdom on his foundation, you know.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: I I built the house on the rock, you know, and it's still standing today.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, praise Jesus, man.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's amazing.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: Were so were there people along the way to to help you, assist you?
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, so after you doing this on your own.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: So after um, you know, in 2001, when I set foot in that, I'm still going to that same church, by the way.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've been going there for uh 25 years now.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, yeah, that our church was, man, they just had a heart for helping people grow and get freedom and learn how to be financially stable and you know, go through deliverance minutes.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everything.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: They made everything available just so people could get free and not have any excuse for for not pursuing, you know, being able to pursue him full on and even walk in your calling, you know.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, raising people up, you know.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love it.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's been fantastic, and I continue to be a part of that.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I I'm part of the worship team at the church.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: I sing twice a month uh on our worship team, and the other two Sundays of the month, I am doing the sound mix.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I I am a music guy.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, man, that's a good Chris.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for sharing your story.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anything that you have learned to help you um help you grow in Christ that is important to you, is there something that you're like, if if I could tell one person give them some encouragement, whatever that would be or looks like, as they're maybe choosing to pursue him, or they're in young young believer.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something you could help them with if uh you know if you had to?
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I have something that would be really key to share with people.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's turning his computer on, guys.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let me I I do have something here that's uh that's a pretty pretty fantastic statement.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it talks about some of what we talked about.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's talking about um you know, not deceiving ourselves.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: And let me get to the oh okay, here we go.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um So so in in the passage, uh, and this is in later on in in Matthew 7, uh where Jesus talks about, you know, um the two the two guys that you know that built the house.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you know, and one stands and one falls, you know, and the difference was not not the knowledge.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: They both had the same knowledge, they both heard, but they didn't obey.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: But um the thing about if I was gonna tell somebody that's a new believer, it's oh obedience is is okay.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me let me read this.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, guys, this is gonna be really good.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: So so so we need to be careful about what the word obedience means.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: It can be misheard as a way to earn God's approval, and Jesus doesn't say that at all.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because when he talks about the house standing, the house doesn't stand because the builder was perfect, right?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right, the house stands because he built on the rock and he listened to the words of Jesus, right?
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: So he built on the right foundation and he did what Jesus said.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: So obedience, if you can this is such a foundational thing for for somebody who's learning to hear.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: Obedience is evidence of a surrendered relationship with Jesus, not a payment for one.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: Can you repeat that?
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: Obedience is evidence of a surrendered relationship with Jesus, not payment for one.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, it's fruit, not currency, you know, like I was saying earlier.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: So if I could say anything to anyone, walking in obedience is something that your heart brings life to your heart.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, at first it may start out like you know, a um, you know, a habit that you have to form, but if you pursue renewing your mind, then it becomes the fruit that you want.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's some good stuff.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: Amen, brother.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: I can go all the way back to Abraham or Abram.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: When God appeared to him and said, I want you to move your family, you and your people group away from here, go to this land that you don't know, you are going to be a foreigner there, right?
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: But this is the land I'm gonna give you as an inheritance.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna if you choose to do that, right, you are going your offspring is gonna be a mighty nation that other nations will come to know.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: And other nations will be blessed.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I think in verse four, because this is one, two, and three, that is Scott's version of chapter twelve of Genesis.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, verse four, you know what he does?
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: He just he does it.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's obedient, right?
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then it showed well it shows one, he's got faith in a higher power, right, and then it shows obedience.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: And eventually he does have lots of offspring.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um great stuff, Chris.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: Great stuff, man.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_01: He just delivered a home run, knocked it out of the park.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: I like that, man.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um hopefully this helps you as an individual understand the rewiring that's very important.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: And Paul is pointing us on to how to rewire, and that is the re renewing and and in pursuit of your mind your attitudes, your thoughts to reflect your new nature.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope you got something out of that tonight, because we it is I think it's very important as a believer to understand that.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because it does help us as we're growing in our faith to do that.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Chris, thank you for saying yes.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, most likely you'll be on again um in the near future.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anything we can pray for about you or your family?
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, just continued uh wisdom on the journey forward with uh a new business endeavor and you know, it's uh you know, always always welcome prayer.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh much needed.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: If someone was listening and they wanted to reach out for your wife's assistance, how would one do that?
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: Prosperingmindandbody.com.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you repeat that?
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because I sometimes it takes two times for sure.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: No problem.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: Prosperingmindandbody.com.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you can find everything in there too.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can you can book in a uh a call with her and you can get the ball rolling.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: I highly encourage if you're in trauma and you want help and you haven't received help and you're looking for help to overcome that trauma and help establish a good foundation in Christ and then focus back on God, I would imagine that's the that's that's where you need to go, right?
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we are pursuing the heart, Chris.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: God pursued me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I pursue him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, I hope you come back next week and listen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I hope you like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure, uh subscribe and share.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: And again, we're on all streaming platforms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh uh hope you uh come back next week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, Chris, at the end of this, we have a little tagline we see at we say every wait, every week.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's K Y E O J.
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  SPEAKER_01: Keep your eyes on Jesus because if you are doing that, that's that rewiring again.
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  SPEAKER_01: So K Y E O J.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, keep your eyes on Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as we leave tonight, here's the song.