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The Bolt Report | 6 May · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: It's the Bolt Reform.
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Speaker 2: It good evening, Welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm Steve
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Speaker 2: Price filling in for Andrew for the rest of this week,
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Speaker 2: and it's been about as busy a day on the
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Speaker 2: news front as you can get today, and we'll get
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Speaker 2: right across all of those things. Tonight four Isis brides
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Speaker 2: and their nine children will return to Australia and it
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Speaker 2: could be and it seems it will be as soon
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Speaker 2: as tomorrow, late tomorrow afternoon. The Home Affairs Minister, the
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Speaker 2: head of AZO and the head of the AFP don't
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Speaker 2: get together for no reason. Details in a moment on
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Speaker 2: the imminent return of that crew. We told you first
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Speaker 2: last night with Barnaby Joyce. The government's decision to chop
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Speaker 2: in half the multi billion dollar Inland rail project, despite
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Speaker 2: tipping billions into Melbourne suburban rail loop that's already cost
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Speaker 2: seven billion dollars and hand tunneling hasn't even started. Former
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Speaker 2: Nationals leader John Anderson joins us on that and anger
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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory political circles today around police reports
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Speaker 2: into the child welfare of that little five year old girl.
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Speaker 2: Six reports and nothing done. I'll talk with our panel
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Speaker 2: about what appears to be the reluctance of child Protection
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Speaker 2: services to move children around Australia out of danger. And
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Speaker 2: as the Prime Minister says we are doing well in
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Speaker 2: the face of the fuel crisis, clearly he doesn't fill
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Speaker 2: up his own car camera is to spend ten billion
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Speaker 2: dollars on a fuel security package. More on that shortly,
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Speaker 2: but first up tonight. No one in the Australian government,
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Speaker 2: or in our security agencies or at the AFP seems
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Speaker 2: to have thought about the irony of accepting back into
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Speaker 2: Australia four women who were married to ISIS terrorists and
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Speaker 2: their nine offspring, while at the same time prosecuting VC
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Speaker 2: recipient Ben Roberts Smith for alleged war crimes. It's just
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Speaker 2: draw dropping to think that an Australian soldier who served
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Speaker 2: in each team or Afghanistan and Iraq fighting organizations link
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Speaker 2: to ISIS was handcuffed, arrested in public and held in
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Speaker 2: a jail cell for a couple of nights and is
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Speaker 2: now living under strict bail laws is treated this way.
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Speaker 2: As early as tomorrow evening, this cohort will walk off
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Speaker 2: a plane from the Middle East. They'll have their Australian
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Speaker 2: passports examined, and they'll walk into suburban Melbourne or suburban Sydney,
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Speaker 2: or maybe a little bit of both. You just wonder,
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Speaker 2: as Nationals MP Michael McCormack did earlier today on Sky,
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Speaker 2: whether the AFP will allow another public spectacle of their
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Speaker 2: arrival and possible arrest as they did with Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 2: You can bet they won't. We will have to wait
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Speaker 2: and see now. In announcing their return, AFP Commissioner Chrissy
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Speaker 2: Barrett refused to answer a question about Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: and that rest episode.
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Speaker 3: That matter is now before court that you were referring to,
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Speaker 3: so I won't be making public comment in relation to
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Speaker 3: that today.
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Speaker 2: No answer. What she did reveal, though, was astonishing, including
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Speaker 2: the fact that the AFP have staff, or have had
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Speaker 2: staff working on something called Operation Caarajohn. They've been investigating
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Speaker 2: these women and others, the ones that are still back
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Speaker 2: in that Syrian camp for more than ten years.
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Speaker 3: For more than a decade, investigators, when possible, have been
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Speaker 3: collecting evidence and information in Syria at a time when
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Speaker 3: Syria was a war zone with no functioning government. That
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Speaker 3: evidence and information was to determine whether Australians who traveled
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Speaker 3: to Syria may have committed Commonwealth offenses. Some individuals will
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Speaker 3: be arrested and charged, some will face continued investigations when
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Speaker 3: they arrive in Australia, and children who return in the
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Speaker 3: court will be asked to undergo community integration programs, therapeutic
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Speaker 3: support and countering violent extremism programs.
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Speaker 2: Note the word asked of the children in They're not
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Speaker 2: told now. It would appear that one or more of
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Speaker 2: these women might face arrest and, as Barrett said, their
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Speaker 2: children we don't even know really their ages will be
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Speaker 2: subjected to some form of counseling if they agree to
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Speaker 2: do it, whatever that means. I mean stepping back. What
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Speaker 2: shape does anyone think that child nearing teenage years who
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Speaker 2: has spent their entire life in a camp full of
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Speaker 2: radicalized adults, some of whom have been involved in the
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Speaker 2: most brutal and vicious acts of depravity. What do you
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Speaker 2: reckon is going through their heads, the minds of those children.
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Speaker 2: If that's not a recipe for generational radicalization, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what is. Here's Asioboss Mike Burgess trying to reassure
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Speaker 2: Australians that this has been perfectly well handled.
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Speaker 4: Our job is to identify and understand the risks that
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Speaker 4: returning individuals. We have done that. We provided it to
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Speaker 4: our mates in the police force, and the government understands
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Speaker 4: our assessed risk. I'm not concerned immediately by their return,
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Speaker 4: but they will get our attention.
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Speaker 2: All very calm, no concerns at all. Well, I tell
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Speaker 2: you what, the Australian public are concerned. That might be
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Speaker 2: all fine, But does anyone believe Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: or for that matter, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi when
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Speaker 2: they keep telling us, look, we've got clean hands here.
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Speaker 2: We've not participated in any repatriation of these people.
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Speaker 5: The government is not repatriating and will not repatriate. The
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Speaker 5: government is not assisting and will not assist these individuals.
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Speaker 5: They made an appalling, disgraceful decision.
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Speaker 2: Well you know what that is. It's the old yes
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Speaker 2: minister line, don't tell me something I really don't want
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Speaker 2: to know. It's called ignorant denial. And we can all
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Speaker 2: see through that now. Clearly the opposite isn't buying the
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Speaker 2: line from the minister that he's been hands off. Nothing
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Speaker 2: to see here, folks, here's Opposition Home Affairs spokesman John o'dunham.
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Speaker 6: They are allowing them to come back to Australia. How
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Speaker 6: is it that the government can stand idly by while
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Speaker 6: third parties like Tony Burk's good friend Dr Jamal Riffi
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Speaker 6: and non government organizations go and organize for the repatriation
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Speaker 6: of these people who have gone to support the ISSIS
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Speaker 6: terrorist group to come back to Australia.
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Speaker 2: And can you imagine the final cost of all of this.
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Speaker 2: A ten year prob A ten year investigation into a
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Speaker 2: bunch of women who thought it would be a good
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Speaker 2: idea to travel overland through Turkey to get to Rakka
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Speaker 2: in Syria, which served as the capital of the Islamic
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Speaker 2: State Caliphate. It takes a big commitment to do that
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Speaker 2: by those women. Maybe if they were married at the
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Speaker 2: time they had no choice. But when things collapsed and
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Speaker 2: the murderous Stone Age style terror groups, they obviously thought,
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Speaker 2: oh well, we can go back to Melbourne or Sydney
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Speaker 2: or wherever and there'll be no consequences. As I said,
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Speaker 2: compare the treatment of a war hero, Ben Robert Smith, who,
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Speaker 2: if convicted of the crimes he is to be charged
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Speaker 2: with will likely spend a lengthy period in prison to
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Speaker 2: these women who we are told if they committed any
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Speaker 2: Commonwealth crimes will be arrested. Let's wait and see. But
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Speaker 2: I am sure the red carpet will not be rolled
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Speaker 2: out by our AFP for TV coverage of their arrival
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Speaker 2: like it was for Ben's arrest. Okay, let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Andrews Wednesday regulars are up with us former Labor treasure
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Speaker 2: and Police Minister in the new South Wales government, Michael
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Speaker 2: Costa and Bill Shorten's former chief of staff Cameron Milner,
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Speaker 2: now of g xo's strategies. Cameron, start with you. These women,
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Speaker 2: or at least some of those from that camp in
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Speaker 2: Syria were always coming back. Do you buy the spin
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Speaker 2: from Burke and co That there was no assistance, no
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Speaker 2: repatriation assistants at all?
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Speaker 7: Well not at all, because why do you have a
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Speaker 7: closed door meeting and do a dirty, grubby voter deal
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Speaker 7: with Jamal?
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Speaker 8: You know, with doctor Jamal. You know this is the problem.
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Speaker 7: Burke likes to say out a press conference nothing, hands off,
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Speaker 7: when the evidence was he was desperate to win the
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Speaker 7: seat of Watson, desperate get back into federal Parliament. And
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Speaker 7: did a dirty deal to bring Isis brides back after
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Speaker 7: the election to get votes and preferences before the election.
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Speaker 2: Michael, let's the old argument isn't don't tell me something
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Speaker 2: I don't want to know. But I want to ask
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Speaker 2: you about the public humiliation of Ben Roberts Smith at
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Speaker 2: the airport. Cameras Channel nine everybody else tipped off on
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Speaker 2: his arrival. We even got shots of him in handcuffs,
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Speaker 2: you name it. Do you think the AFP will be
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Speaker 2: I know they're not letting that sort of information out
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Speaker 2: on this cohort. I bet you they arrive at Melbourne
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Speaker 2: Airport and they'll be whisked away in a van off
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Speaker 2: the tarmac and we won't see them at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Well, what happened to Ben Robert Smith was disgraceful, and
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Speaker 9: we said it at the time. Look, I think it's
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Speaker 9: going to be impossible for them, particularly if they're all
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Speaker 9: dressed in their Islamic clothing, to whisk them off without
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Speaker 9: anybody seeing them. Don't be surprised that somebody tips them
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Speaker 9: off the press on that plane. Look, I think there's
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Speaker 9: a more important point here. I mean, Tony Berger is
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Speaker 9: just telling Porky's there. I mean, he may not have
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Speaker 9: actively repatriated these people, but he actively did not use
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Speaker 9: his powers under the Act to stop them.
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Speaker 10: And that's the real issue. Let's not forget.
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Speaker 9: He has a power for a temporary exclusion order and
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Speaker 9: also the power to exclude them getting their passports if
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Speaker 9: there have been a security risk, and he has to
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Speaker 9: do that on the advice of the ASIA on the
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Speaker 9: Security Agencies. So he has actively been involved by not
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Speaker 9: exercising his powers. So let's not kid ourselves on this.
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Speaker 9: He's got his hands in this pie well and truly.
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Speaker 2: Correct. And to that point, Cameron, can you imagine what
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Speaker 2: the cost is going to be. We've had a ten
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Speaker 2: year investigation already. We spent three hundred million dollars by
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Speaker 2: the way, prosecuting Ben Robert Smith and other sas soldiers.
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Speaker 2: You imagine the cost of this operation so far. And
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Speaker 2: now we're going to have to have a surveillance of
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Speaker 2: these women and will they have ankle bracelets. We don't
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Speaker 2: know people in the suburbs they're going to live in,
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Speaker 2: and they're going to be told who's going to keep
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Speaker 2: an eye on them. It's going to cost us absolute
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars.
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Speaker 7: It will and they should have been left a rotten
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Speaker 7: road quite frankly, rather than become a burden on taxpayers
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Speaker 7: here in Australia.
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Speaker 8: And this is the problem.
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Speaker 7: I mean, these are heavily radicalized people. These women went
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Speaker 7: across to breed fighters, breed future fighters and Islamic terrorists.
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Speaker 8: The children were born to.
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Speaker 7: Be fighters, and they were radicalized in the camps, radicalized
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Speaker 7: by their parents, and supposedly they're safe when they're back
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Speaker 7: here in Australia. For goodness sake, we'll be spending millions
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Speaker 7: and millions of dollars surveilling people who should never actually
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Speaker 7: be on our shore.
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Speaker 8: With Stephen, that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: And Michael, I mean you note that you know that
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Speaker 2: Christy Barrett there said that we will ask these children
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Speaker 2: if they would go along to a program of de radicalization,
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Speaker 2: which evidence around the world is those programs don't even work.
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Speaker 9: Well, we know they don't work because we've got people
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Speaker 9: that have never been to Syria that are radicalized in
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Speaker 9: our own schools, so they don't work out right. There's
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Speaker 9: another point here, of course, is you know, and I've
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Speaker 9: raised this before, are these people going to go onto
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Speaker 9: social security?
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Speaker 10: I mean, are they going to go on the NDIS.
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Speaker 10: How are they going to be the provider?
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Speaker 9: I mean this is you know, there's a residency requirement
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Speaker 9: in Australia even if you're a citizen to get social security.
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Speaker 9: You know, they need to be very clear to the
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Speaker 9: public because people are going to be mighty outraged if
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Speaker 9: they find out these people are on the NDIS or
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Speaker 9: Social security and they need to be transparent about it.
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Speaker 2: Well, of course they will be. They've been in in
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Speaker 2: the camp in Racker. I mean they haven't been earning
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Speaker 2: any money. Presumably they don't have any money. I mean,
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Speaker 2: might have relatives that can take them in and they
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Speaker 2: don't have to pay rent. I don't know. Let's talk
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Speaker 2: about fuel low. I know you guys want to talk
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Speaker 2: about this. It's taken a war in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Despite warnings from everyone from Jim Moland to people like
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce, We're finally going to realize a big island
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Speaker 2: like Australia that no longer drills for oil actually needs
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Speaker 2: more fuel reserves. Have a look.
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Speaker 11: The package will provide more than ten billion dollars to
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Speaker 11: secure Australia's near term fuel and fertilizer security, establish a
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Speaker 11: permanent government owned Australian fuel security reserve of around a
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Speaker 11: billion leaders and lift the minimum stockholding obligation by around
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Speaker 11: ten days for every type of fuel.
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Speaker 2: Cameron expensive, But I mean we should have been doing
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Speaker 2: this forever. Both sides of politics have never taken it seriously,
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Speaker 2: have they?
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Speaker 7: Well, no they haven't. They both sides have let the
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Speaker 7: guard down. But it's happened on Albo's watch. And ten
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Speaker 7: days steven ten days, for goodness sake, that gets us
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Speaker 7: to fifty days, which is half, only half of what
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Speaker 7: we actually need to do as an a. Japan has
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Speaker 7: two hudred and forty days and we're going to get
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Speaker 7: to fifty for another ten billion dollars.
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Speaker 8: This bloke is having a lend of us. He's not
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Speaker 8: doing half the job.
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Speaker 7: He's not even doing anywhere near you know, the job
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Speaker 7: needed for fuel security Australia. And yes, you're right, we
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Speaker 7: need to drill for more oil, we need to refine
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Speaker 7: more oil. Here we need to look after ourselves rather
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Speaker 7: let the Middle East look after our fuel security.
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Speaker 2: And Mike, and here we have the Prime Minister patting
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Speaker 2: himself on the back for doing well in a crisis.
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Speaker 2: You'll love this grab.
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Speaker 11: My government has cut the tax on fuel in half,
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Speaker 11: and we've worked relentlessly to secure our fuel supply lines.
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Speaker 11: So far we are faring well.
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Speaker 2: Very well. Michael, how does that make you feel?
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Speaker 10: Look at smacks of desperation even with that tax cuts.
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Speaker 9: You know, if you're driving a diesel vehicle like I am,
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Speaker 9: you're still paying you know, close to three dollars a liter.
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Speaker 9: So look, you know, give us a break, elbow. I mean,
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Speaker 9: the bottom line here is this is two little too late.
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Speaker 9: It will do nothing for the crisis that we're currently in.
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Speaker 9: And there is no policy, has Cameron said. And I've
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Speaker 9: set on many occasions for fracking and additional glick gas exploration.
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Speaker 9: Without that, we will never be fueled secure And it's
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Speaker 9: all spin as usual.
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Speaker 2: And he does amuse us here. He is talking about
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Speaker 2: trying to compare people filling up jerry cans who were
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Speaker 2: desperate to keep their farms running so that they can
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Speaker 2: get their tractors out in a paddock, comparing it with
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Speaker 2: people getting supermarket toilet paper during covid ha Only are this.
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Speaker 11: The behavior of people turning up at petrol stations and
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Speaker 11: filling up jerry cans and filling up their garages essentially
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Speaker 11: with fuel that we warned was not only not in
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Speaker 11: the national interest, it was actually dangerous. It was very
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Speaker 11: much different from the behavior that we saw during COVID
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Speaker 11: of people filling up their garages with toilet paper.
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Speaker 12: Fuel is different.
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Speaker 11: It is dangerous, Oh.
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Speaker 2: For God's sake. I mean everyone who's got a petrol
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Speaker 2: Mara or a Hedge Trumer. Every shed in Australia, including mine,
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Speaker 2: has got a couple of petrol cans in it, Cameron.
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Speaker 8: Well except the one a carabilly that's his elbows currently.
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Speaker 8: I mean that's the problem is I mean.
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Speaker 7: Doesn't Albo doesn't Albert do smug so well? Smug and
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Speaker 7: arrogance so well. I mean the reason why people went
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Speaker 7: up went and filled up jerry cans and looked up
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Speaker 7: their own fuel security was.
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Speaker 8: Albo was was on watch. Alba was saying trust me.
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Speaker 8: I mean the Alba's big was trust me on fuel.
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Speaker 7: People when filled up the next day as much as
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Speaker 7: they possibly could.
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Speaker 8: No, this bloke is smug and arrogant.
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Speaker 7: And to Michael's point, he's done nothing in the midst
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Speaker 7: of a crisis and the promises today are dollars in
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Speaker 7: the future which don't fix the here and.
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Speaker 2: Now Michael's speaking of smug Jim Chalmers, the Treasurers said
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Speaker 2: he's going to deliver on Tuesday Night next week, the
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Speaker 2: most responsible budget in a decade. What did you make
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Speaker 2: of that?
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Speaker 10: I made this guy?
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Speaker 9: You know, he's got a PhD in blame for As
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Speaker 9: I've said before, I mean, the bloke is clueless. Let's
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Speaker 9: be real about this. You know, he's talking about some
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Speaker 9: tax changes which is going to make it very hard
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Speaker 9: on the very purple that he claims he's trying to help.
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Speaker 9: I mean, if you look at this sort of proposals
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Speaker 9: on negative gearing and capital gains, where do you think
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Speaker 9: that's going to hit.
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Speaker 10: It's going to hit young people.
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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, Peter Costello and I did the
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Speaker 9: first budgets, the Inner generational, but they were about fiscal balance.
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Speaker 9: They weren't about fiscal equity. Fiscal equity is some left
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Speaker 9: wing nebulous concept that somehow, over the generations you can
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Speaker 9: get a quality. I mean, what we were looking at,
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Speaker 9: Costello and I were making sure that our recurrent expenditure
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Speaker 9: was paid for by those people that were using it,
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Speaker 9: that generation that was using it, and also that you know,
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Speaker 9: our capital works budget was building for the future.
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Speaker 10: This is not what these people are on. They've turned
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Speaker 10: it into a slogan. It's a slogan that's meaningless. And
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Speaker 10: you know, look this Blake, he's all froth and no beer. Mate.
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Speaker 10: That's the only way you can explain Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 9: He's got no idea how economic growth works and we're
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Speaker 9: suffering the consequences.
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Speaker 2: Michael Cameron Away is great to catch up with you too,
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Andrew, be back with you next week. Now,
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Speaker 2: speaking of budget, let's go to the fallout from the
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Speaker 2: disastrous budget handed down by the Labor government in Victoria yesterday.
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Speaker 2: I mean, as Victoria is hurtly towards You can't believe
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Speaker 2: there's two hundred billion dollars worth of debt, the state's
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Speaker 2: interest bills set to almost double over the next three years,
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Speaker 2: soaring from six point eight billion a year in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four to eleven point eight billion annually by twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty nine. That includes an added thirteen point eight billion.
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Speaker 2: Where's that come in, Well, that's new spending in a
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Speaker 2: pre election spending splurge, including a two point three billion
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Speaker 2: dollar war chest of decisions made but not allocated. I
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Speaker 2: mean seriously, Jacqueline Simes is the new Treasurer. Speaking of
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Speaker 2: someone who clearly is out of her depth, she certainly is.
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Speaker 2: She's done so weird one point one billion dollar backroom
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Speaker 2: deal extending the Lottery Corporation's license by wait for it,
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Speaker 2: forty years and it used to be ten years. I mean,
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Speaker 2: these people are absolutely clueless and the people of Victoria
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Speaker 2: are the people who are suffering. Victorian State Shadow Attorney
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Speaker 2: General Manager of Opposition Business James Newberry joins us. James.
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Speaker 2: The government denies reports regarding that lotto deal, but it
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Speaker 2: just stares you in the face, doesn't it. Why else
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Speaker 2: would you do a forty year deal?
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Speaker 1: It stinks.
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Speaker 13: And next year because of this deal, the Lottery Corporation
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Speaker 13: are giving a billion dollars to the government in cash
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Speaker 13: and that's how.
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Speaker 1: Much their surplus is.
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Speaker 13: So when you hear about surplus, you know it's because
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Speaker 13: of some frankly dodgy deal. Now what's worse is the
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Speaker 13: Lottery Corporation have kicked in almost one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 13: thousand dollars to the Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not going to draw a line between.
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Speaker 13: Those two things. But we've got a new deal of
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Speaker 13: forty years. Never happened before in the state of Victoria,
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Speaker 13: A big cash payment to prop up a dodgy surplus
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Speaker 13: and one hundred and eighty thousand dollars going into labor
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Speaker 13: party coffers.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of questions with the premier
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Speaker 1: ease to answer.
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Speaker 2: It's not hard to join the dots, and yes we
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Speaker 2: should ask those questions. But of course you'll never see
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Speaker 2: her here because they won't appear. Let's talk about I mean,
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Speaker 2: you're going to an election obviously in November, you're going
19:30
Speaker 2: to inherit all of this, and I know that you're
19:33
Speaker 2: determined to claw back some of that debt. How are
19:35
Speaker 2: you going to do it?
19:37
Speaker 13: Look, we have to start with scrapping treaty. That's a
19:41
Speaker 13: billion dollars back in our bank account. We also have
19:45
Speaker 13: to find the fifteen to thirty billion dollars of corrupted
19:49
Speaker 13: money that's going to come back into Victoria's bank account.
19:53
Speaker 1: And we have to.
19:53
Speaker 13: Stop this overspend on major projects and government projects of
19:58
Speaker 13: about thirty percent when the sea is involved, because as
20:01
Speaker 13: it turns out, when you're paying for strippers, when you're
20:04
Speaker 13: paying for ghost shifts, it costs more than you think.
20:07
Speaker 13: So we need to claw back that overspend on the
20:10
Speaker 13: government projects.
20:11
Speaker 1: That'll be billions of dollars. And we're also going to.
20:15
Speaker 13: Cap fat cat executive public servants salaries they're outrageous. More
20:21
Speaker 13: money back in Victoria's coffers. We are talking tens of
20:25
Speaker 13: billions of dollars back into Victorian's bank account and you
20:30
Speaker 13: know what that means over time tax cuts back into
20:33
Speaker 13: the pockets of Victorians.
20:36
Speaker 2: Let's talk Suburban rail loop, because I mean, clearly, I
20:39
Speaker 2: think what I'm watching here is that there's going to
20:41
Speaker 2: be a big slug of money in the budget by
20:45
Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers next Tuesday night which will go to suburban
20:48
Speaker 2: rail Loop. But I don't think that's going to be
20:49
Speaker 2: the end of it. I mean, these two governments, the
20:52
Speaker 2: alban Easy socialist left government in camera and the Allen
20:56
Speaker 2: socialist left government in Victoria, they're going to have each
20:59
Speaker 2: other's backs and the taxpayers of Australia, which don't even
21:04
Speaker 2: most of them who don't even live in Victoria, are
21:06
Speaker 2: going to be on the hook for this project that
21:08
Speaker 2: is absolutely out of control in terms of what it's
21:11
Speaker 2: going to cost totally.
21:13
Speaker 13: And the thing we all know as Victorians is we're
21:15
Speaker 13: paying fifty billion dollars a year in tax. What we
21:19
Speaker 13: also know is that, unfortunately for the rest of Australia,
21:22
Speaker 13: when you have a labor government for long enough, you're
21:24
Speaker 13: all going to be taxed as badly as we are too.
21:27
Speaker 1: And that's what the federal government will do.
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Speaker 13: They will be throwing good money after bad money, after
21:33
Speaker 13: good money after bad money into this project. I mean,
21:37
Speaker 13: you can't even put a figure on it. The government
21:39
Speaker 13: hasn't put a figure on it in their own budget
21:42
Speaker 13: the cost tb C. I mean, how's that for an
21:47
Speaker 13: irresponsible budget tb C. It says everything you need to
21:53
Speaker 13: know about how shonky this state labor government is.
21:57
Speaker 2: And when challenged on it, they say they will figure
22:00
Speaker 2: but that figures from two years ago, and they're trying
22:03
Speaker 2: to presume, unlike everyone else in the country, that building costs,
22:08
Speaker 2: labor costs haven't all gone through the roof over the
22:11
Speaker 2: last two years.
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Speaker 13: Oh we're also paying a corruption tax as well. Don't
22:15
Speaker 13: forget that one. You're right about the cost of everything
22:18
Speaker 13: blowing out, But in Victoria, when you build something, you've
22:20
Speaker 13: got to pay the.
22:21
Speaker 1: Dodgy tax on top of that too.
22:23
Speaker 13: That's why the government won't tell you the figure, and
22:26
Speaker 13: they won't tell us the figure. They're just going to
22:28
Speaker 13: put TVC. The sad thing is we're all paying for it.
22:32
Speaker 13: And we also know about the suburban rail loop. I
22:35
Speaker 13: suspect they've got suburb based taxes coming suburb based taxes
22:40
Speaker 13: on top of it. So what's happening in Victoria. I
22:43
Speaker 13: think sadly is the model for the Albanezy government. We
22:46
Speaker 13: know he likes Daniel Andrews, and I think that he's
22:49
Speaker 13: the model of the Australian government.
22:52
Speaker 1: And that's a sad thing for all Australians.
22:56
Speaker 2: Five fire bombings so far this week and we're only
22:59
Speaker 2: on Wednesday night. We've now got car yards, nightclubs, we've
23:03
Speaker 2: got restaurants threatened, we've got tobacco shops. They've all burned down,
23:08
Speaker 2: so there's no more to burn. In the budget, public
23:11
Speaker 2: Order and Safety funding is forecast to decline by her
23:15
Speaker 2: billion dollars by twenty thirty, including more than seven hundred
23:19
Speaker 2: million next year, despite the fact that we're in a
23:22
Speaker 2: lawless state and crimes out of control.
23:25
Speaker 13: And you're not going to believe this on sentencing, they're
23:28
Speaker 13: going to review it.
23:29
Speaker 1: So the only person in Victoria.
23:31
Speaker 13: Who doesn't know we've got a crime crisis is just
23:34
Speaker 13: Cindra Allen and she wants to start a three million
23:37
Speaker 13: dollar review and get every Victorian to email her. Well,
23:41
Speaker 13: I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want to read those
23:43
Speaker 13: emails because I reckon they're going to be to the point.
23:45
Speaker 1: The scary thing is three million bucks.
23:49
Speaker 13: For people to email her to tell her we're in
23:51
Speaker 13: a crime crisis. Howb out we saved the three million
23:54
Speaker 13: dollars and get more police on the beat because we're
23:57
Speaker 13: in a crime crisis.
23:58
Speaker 1: You don't need a review to tell you that, Premier.
24:00
Speaker 1: We all know it.
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Speaker 13: I think Australia knows we're in a crime crisis. In
24:03
Speaker 13: Victoria know a review, it's insulting.
24:08
Speaker 2: I've had two people in the last twenty four hours,
24:11
Speaker 2: one in Sydney and on radio in Adelaide today say
24:14
Speaker 2: how come Melbourne has this problem with all these joints
24:17
Speaker 2: being threatened and fire bombed and it's not happening anywhere else.
24:21
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is.
24:23
Speaker 13: Well, the answer is organized crimes worked out that this
24:26
Speaker 13: is their place to be.
24:27
Speaker 1: That's what's happened, or organized.
24:29
Speaker 13: Crime around Australia's figured out head into Victoria. I mean
24:33
Speaker 13: this is sadly, as I just said, the place to
24:36
Speaker 13: be and what it means is for hospitality and entertainment,
24:40
Speaker 13: They've got a real problem. The sector has a huge problem.
24:44
Speaker 13: I mean, we know the property sector has already been
24:46
Speaker 13: killed by tax, but now we've got the hospitality and entertainment.
24:50
Speaker 1: Sector on its knees.
24:52
Speaker 13: I mean, how many sectors can fall over before our
24:56
Speaker 13: economy falls over. We're in big trouble. The thing I'd
25:00
Speaker 13: say to everybody watching, if you're a Victorian, vote like
25:04
Speaker 13: your state depends on it in November, because it does.
25:08
Speaker 13: Vote like your state depends on it.
25:13
Speaker 2: James Newbury, good to catch up. Thank you very much, mate,
25:15
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Still to come on the program tonight. Roun
25:17
Speaker 2: Deane discusses why a top olly of the US President
25:20
Speaker 2: it's actually criticizing Australia over its links to China. Plus
25:25
Speaker 2: the latest from the Iran world where Donald Trump is
25:27
Speaker 2: pausing Project Freedom. We'll tell you why after the break.
25:34
Speaker 2: Welcome back to sleep Price with you for Andrew Bold.
25:36
Speaker 2: I'll be talking to former Nationals leader John Anderson about
25:39
Speaker 2: that crazy decision to stop the Inland rail project, which
25:45
Speaker 2: we broke with that story with you with Barnaby Joyce
25:47
Speaker 2: last night. Just crazy stuff. We'll get into the latest
25:50
Speaker 2: on the Iran shortly, but first, the top ally of
25:52
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump has criticized here we go again Australia,
25:56
Speaker 2: but this time over our links to China. Carla Sans,
26:01
Speaker 2: who chairs the Foreign Policy Initiative at the Trump aligned
26:04
Speaker 2: think tank America's First Policy Institute, says, the general feeling
26:09
Speaker 2: in the Trump camp is that Australia should be doing
26:12
Speaker 2: more business with Western allies instead. Here she was speaking
26:16
Speaker 2: with Australian reporter Latika Burke.
26:19
Speaker 14: China's a threat, huge military and their economic might, and
26:23
Speaker 14: so we think that it would be great for you
26:25
Speaker 14: to do more business with the Western allies than with China.
26:29
Speaker 14: And so this is not a friendly nation. This is
26:32
Speaker 14: a nation. We want to have a good relationship with China,
26:35
Speaker 14: but they have to act like a normal nation, not
26:37
Speaker 14: be gangsterrous.
26:40
Speaker 2: Joining me now, Roun Dean host of Outsiders at nine
26:42
Speaker 2: am and Sundays and of course the World according to
26:45
Speaker 2: Rowan Dean, which follows an excellent program on Friday night
26:48
Speaker 2: and Rowan comes on at seven o'clock Rowan, good to
26:51
Speaker 2: see you made. Pennywog's just been to China to secure
26:55
Speaker 2: fuel supplies after Australia refused to help the US secure
26:59
Speaker 2: all those ships through the straightupor wors does that lobbyists
27:03
Speaker 2: have a point.
27:06
Speaker 15: Which she's absolutely correct what Carlo said to Latika Burke.
27:09
Speaker 15: And you know what could possibly go wrong, Steve, anyone
27:12
Speaker 15: wanders off to China to get our fuel supplies lined
27:17
Speaker 15: up from China, I'm sure somewhere in Beijing, Steve, there
27:21
Speaker 15: is a big gray building. It looks like something out
27:23
Speaker 15: of nineteen eighty four or something kind of Orwellian, and
27:27
Speaker 15: it's the Ministry for Western Subversion and it's this kind
27:31
Speaker 15: of austere building and they work in there. They beaver
27:33
Speaker 15: around the clock, you know, they work out ways to
27:35
Speaker 15: subvert the West, subvert the capitalists running dogs, and to
27:39
Speaker 15: change the culture and to make the West more favorable,
27:42
Speaker 15: just in case they ever happen to get into a
27:44
Speaker 15: conflict with them. And right down the end of the corridor, Steve,
27:47
Speaker 15: is the Australia Division. And you open the door into
27:50
Speaker 15: the Australia Division of the Ministry for Subversion and it's
27:53
Speaker 15: like they're playing ping Pong and they got the jukebox
27:56
Speaker 15: on and they're lying back on the bean bags smoking,
27:58
Speaker 15: having the best time. It is the cushiest job in
28:01
Speaker 15: the world to work on the Australian subversion in the
28:04
Speaker 15: ministry of a subversion in the Chinese Communist Party would
28:08
Speaker 15: be the cushiest job because we do it all for them.
28:11
Speaker 15: Our government does it relentlessly. There's everything that the Labor
28:16
Speaker 15: government can do, whether it's the state governments, like remember
28:19
Speaker 15: Dan Andrews wandering around the Forbidden Palace whenever he could,
28:24
Speaker 15: or Albow wandering down the Great Wall that the Dropver
28:28
Speaker 15: had with Jodie on his arm. They love China. Labor
28:31
Speaker 15: Party loves China. We can go back through all the
28:33
Speaker 15: times that members of the Labor Party have been caught
28:37
Speaker 15: being a little too close to the Labor Party for comfort,
28:40
Speaker 15: and they are sole brothers and they will do anything,
28:44
Speaker 15: the Labor Party to basically help the Communists subvert our
28:48
Speaker 15: Western democracy, and they do a pretty good job of it.
28:51
Speaker 15: And it actually terrifies me, Steve when we have Penny
28:54
Speaker 15: Wong wandering around saying I'm doing energy deals with China. Yes,
28:59
Speaker 15: this is the peace who turned off, stopped buying our
29:01
Speaker 15: lobster or our cheese, or our wine or whatever it was.
29:04
Speaker 1: At the drop of a hat.
29:06
Speaker 15: They will subvert our economy or our trade with them.
29:09
Speaker 15: All we can do is have good trade relationships. This
29:12
Speaker 15: is the same mob who were wandering around our oceans
29:15
Speaker 15: firing weapons.
29:16
Speaker 2: Willy nilly.
29:17
Speaker 15: It took a Virgin aircraft pilot to say, hang on,
29:19
Speaker 15: I think they're shooting some live weapons down there in
29:22
Speaker 15: the Bass Straight or whether it was, I mean the
29:25
Speaker 15: Albanezy government, Steve is a joke when it comes to China,
29:29
Speaker 15: and it should concern all Australians.
29:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of people in that same room saying, hey,
29:35
Speaker 2: guess what, We've got Tony Burke to drive an EV
29:38
Speaker 2: so we could listen to him when he's having confidential
29:41
Speaker 2: conversations with the members of his own party. I mean, seriously,
29:46
Speaker 2: let's talk about Iran. The President has put pause on
29:49
Speaker 2: Project Freedom. He's planning for the US Navy to escort
29:52
Speaker 2: the cargo ships through the Straight up for muz. He
29:54
Speaker 2: says he's made the decision after quote quote great progress
29:58
Speaker 2: was made in peace talks with the Rum. Where's this
30:01
Speaker 2: all going? Do you reckon?
30:03
Speaker 1: Well?
30:03
Speaker 15: Steve, Unlike most commentators in Australia, I'm a big fan
30:07
Speaker 15: of the Donald Trump five D chess strategy. Most commentators
30:10
Speaker 15: in Australia treat Donald Trump like a buffoon and sort
30:14
Speaker 15: of carry on about he doesn't know what he's doing.
30:16
Speaker 15: He's tripping over himself, he changes his mind, he's taco,
30:18
Speaker 15: he's chickening out the whole time.
30:21
Speaker 1: I'm actually of the opinion he.
30:22
Speaker 15: Knows precisely what he's doing, and it is five D chess.
30:25
Speaker 1: It's one move at a time.
30:27
Speaker 15: When he does his moves, they're normally strategically brilliant, such
30:30
Speaker 15: as the when Iran came out and said, Ryan, We're
30:33
Speaker 15: going to close the straits of Hormuz and Trump said no, no, no, no,
30:37
Speaker 15: I'm going to close the straits of Hamus and what
30:39
Speaker 15: are they going to do? So right now, Iran's wandering
30:41
Speaker 15: around thinking that they're playing a game of sort of
30:44
Speaker 15: delay tactics, to delay what's the inevitable, But it's actually Trump.
30:49
Speaker 15: You're sitting back going this is great because the Iranians
30:52
Speaker 15: are playing into Trump's hands. I'm firmly of the belief, Steve,
30:55
Speaker 15: and we can check this later in the year. I'm
30:58
Speaker 15: firmly of the belief that either during summer or later
31:00
Speaker 15: in this year, we are going to see people in
31:04
Speaker 15: Iran taking to the streets and a determined effort which
31:07
Speaker 15: will probably hopefully succeed to actually finish the regime of
31:11
Speaker 15: the iotolers once and for all. That is what the
31:14
Speaker 15: long game is. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. Right
31:18
Speaker 15: from the word go back in January, Donald Trump said
31:21
Speaker 15: help is on his way. That was the strategy, and
31:24
Speaker 15: then it was we're going to get rid of the
31:25
Speaker 15: nuclear and we're going to get rid of this. We're
31:27
Speaker 15: going to do that and allrius. But the original goal
31:30
Speaker 15: that led to all this was help is on its way,
31:34
Speaker 15: and that was a commitment made to the people of
31:36
Speaker 15: Iran that the regime needed to topple. Now, you can't
31:40
Speaker 15: do any more from the air, so it's going to
31:42
Speaker 15: happen from the ground. Who knows what processes are underway
31:45
Speaker 15: at the moment. Maybe the Israelis are doing things, maybe
31:48
Speaker 15: the Americans aren't, We don't know. But the reality is
31:51
Speaker 15: this is an ongoing process. It's the next step.
31:55
Speaker 1: So they finished of epic fury.
31:57
Speaker 15: That was to do with the war powers acting America
32:00
Speaker 15: the sixty days. He's now onto a purely so called
32:03
Speaker 15: defensive strategy, so that if the Iranians do anything now
32:07
Speaker 15: against the Americans, Trump can respond with military force, which
32:10
Speaker 15: is already threatened to do so. It's a waiting game
32:14
Speaker 15: for whatever forces need to be in place within the
32:18
Speaker 15: people in Iraq, whatever fighting amongst the Iranian, the IRGC,
32:23
Speaker 15: the Muller's, the civil Army, et cetera, et cetera, the
32:26
Speaker 15: Foreign Office, they're all at war with each other. There
32:29
Speaker 15: will come a time when the thing will there will
32:31
Speaker 15: be enough inertia to bring the thing down, and the
32:33
Speaker 15: people in Iran will get themselves a new regime. I
32:37
Speaker 15: firmly hope so, and I believe that's what's play.
32:40
Speaker 2: I'd love to have seen also the faces in the
32:42
Speaker 2: Bundestag in Germany when he said, Okay, if you don't
32:45
Speaker 2: want to pay your bills and you don't want to
32:47
Speaker 2: deal with the United States and help us out, truth,
32:50
Speaker 2: get out, let's come home. Exactly fantastic.
32:56
Speaker 3: Rol.
32:57
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you, my friend. I'll see
32:58
Speaker 2: you after my program on Friday. Program Star. He is,
33:03
Speaker 2: what a star he is still to come. John Anderson,
33:05
Speaker 2: the former Deputy Prime Minister Nationals leader. He'll be here
33:08
Speaker 2: to discuss the latest on the scrapping of plans for
33:11
Speaker 2: the Inland rail project that we told you about last night,
33:14
Speaker 2: and will either the Liberals or the Nationals be able
33:17
Speaker 2: to hang onto the seat of farrer One Nation's hoping
33:20
Speaker 2: to change the electorate's history books. John Anderson's up next.
33:28
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price with you. We told you
33:29
Speaker 2: last night on the program Labor's going to scrap plans
33:32
Speaker 2: for the northern end of the Inland rail project. Inexplicable decision.
33:36
Speaker 2: It was announced today Catherine King, the Infrastructure Minister, and
33:39
Speaker 2: it's not now going to be a solid link between
33:41
Speaker 2: Victoria and Queensland. I mean it seemed to me to
33:43
Speaker 2: be a project of national importance. Twenty seven percent of
33:47
Speaker 2: the link has been completed. Yes, it's costing a lot
33:50
Speaker 2: of money, but when you consider how much money has
33:52
Speaker 2: been dumped into a hole in the ground in Melbourne
33:55
Speaker 2: for the suburban rail loop let alone, Malcolm Turnbull snowy
33:59
Speaker 2: two point zero. That's gone from being two billion dollars
34:02
Speaker 2: to being forty two billion dollars. One would have thought
34:05
Speaker 2: that this rail project was something that we should have
34:07
Speaker 2: kept small towns like Narrabra, Maury, North starring Wood. All
34:11
Speaker 2: of them were desperate need of this project's real kicking
34:15
Speaker 2: the guts and has been reported that way today. Joining
34:18
Speaker 2: me on the line former Deputy Prime Minister Nationals leader
34:22
Speaker 2: John Anderson, John always nice to see you. You were
34:26
Speaker 2: the member for Guida, which had mostly been absorbed by
34:29
Speaker 2: the Parks Electric which a lot of those communities are in.
34:33
Speaker 2: How a they going to feel knowing that this is
34:35
Speaker 2: now not going to come through.
34:38
Speaker 12: I think it simply confirms their belief that they're not
34:43
Speaker 12: on the map politically and that just plays to their
34:46
Speaker 12: deep sense of cynicism and frustration, which we're seeing reflected
34:51
Speaker 12: in the parles. Do make the point that those relatively
34:54
Speaker 12: small towns, they're not huge. And then Narrabria, Maury, what
34:57
Speaker 12: around that ten thousand people each? The foremost productive agricultural
35:02
Speaker 12: shahs in Australia are in the northern end of that
35:06
Speaker 12: proposed line and they are really narrow more.
35:10
Speaker 1: Gund Wendy and to Womba, to Wimba could have been
35:17
Speaker 1: an even more.
35:19
Speaker 12: Important value adding hub and so forth. But there's much
35:22
Speaker 12: more to this. This was a nation building program to
35:26
Speaker 12: use an old fashioned term, which would have given rail
35:30
Speaker 12: the real chance because it had an integrated national network
35:34
Speaker 12: to compete more effectively with road. The economic and the
35:39
Speaker 12: environmental amenity that would have flown from that is undoubted.
35:45
Speaker 12: I have to say that, Steve, I'm not entirely surprised
35:47
Speaker 12: because there's been an incredible lack of energy from government.
35:51
Speaker 12: One of the reasons that's blown out it has taken
35:54
Speaker 12: so long. Another reason there is, of course, we can't
35:57
Speaker 12: do infrastructure in Australia anymore. Isn't it unbelievable? We have
36:01
Speaker 12: therapy governments that just want to make us feel good
36:04
Speaker 12: now while we benefit from people who have to build
36:08
Speaker 12: infrastructure in the past, like Snowy and like a rail
36:12
Speaker 12: network such as it is. We can't upgrade it, we
36:15
Speaker 12: can't duplicate what those who went before as did. We'd
36:19
Speaker 12: rather feel good now than build a future for our society.
36:23
Speaker 12: But we'll make our kids born and unborn pay for
36:27
Speaker 12: us feeling good now.
36:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an absolute tragedy I think. And you were
36:34
Speaker 2: known as a nation building politician, and there were nation
36:36
Speaker 2: building ideas that came out of the governments you were in.
36:40
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Farah because you'll
36:43
Speaker 2: know what's I believe you'll know very well what's going
36:46
Speaker 2: to go on here by elections on Saturday, cause by
36:49
Speaker 2: of course, the resignation of Susan Lee after she lost
36:52
Speaker 2: the Liberal leadership. She was the member, their local member
36:55
Speaker 2: for well over twenty years. I think that seed, if
36:59
Speaker 2: I'm right, been held by either than Nationals, Tim Fisher
37:02
Speaker 2: famously or the Liberal Party for its entire history. Do
37:07
Speaker 2: you get a sense John that Saturday night that's going
37:10
Speaker 2: to be no more?
37:12
Speaker 12: I am concerned, and I would urge the voters in Farah.
37:17
Speaker 12: I understand their frustration. I don't want to dump on
37:21
Speaker 12: people for being worried about where their country's going.
37:24
Speaker 10: I will say in.
37:26
Speaker 12: Defense of my successor, Matt Canavan, I believe he is
37:30
Speaker 12: a man who understands their concerns very deeply. And I
37:34
Speaker 12: also think he's a man who has an extraordinary capacity
37:37
Speaker 12: to get things done. I actually think he has about
37:40
Speaker 12: him the mark of a person of deep intelligence, real
37:45
Speaker 12: courage and an ability to get things done. And in
37:49
Speaker 12: the end, there's no use risking what happened to the
37:53
Speaker 12: Labor Party with the DLP when it split the Labor
37:58
Speaker 12: vote for many years and kept them out of government.
38:02
Speaker 12: Is that really what regional Australians want to risk.
38:06
Speaker 1: I understand the concerns.
38:08
Speaker 12: I urge people to think very carefully about how they
38:12
Speaker 12: carry those concerns forward.
38:15
Speaker 2: One of the problems, of course, is there's a big
38:17
Speaker 2: population in Aubury, and the electorate is huge, goes all
38:21
Speaker 2: the way to the South Australian border, and so those
38:24
Speaker 2: numbers in Aubury, you know, look like falling, many of
38:27
Speaker 2: them to this woman who doesn't want to be called
38:30
Speaker 2: a teal independent. Where the big issue in the electorate,
38:33
Speaker 2: as you would know better than anyone, is water and
38:36
Speaker 2: water rights.
38:38
Speaker 12: Well again, you know, this is a great problem we've
38:41
Speaker 12: got now right across the Western world, the unbelievable numbers
38:45
Speaker 12: of people who live in urban areas and whose elites
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Speaker 12: have lost touch with reality about how wealth is created
38:54
Speaker 12: and about how society functions, including the need for agricultural production.
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Speaker 12: Australia is no longer I find this amazing. But we're
39:04
Speaker 12: no longer a food secure nation. We know that because
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Speaker 12: of what's happened with the fuel shortages, which were entirely
39:12
Speaker 12: unfortunately predictable as a distinct possibility. No one did anything
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Speaker 12: about it. But my general point here is that we
39:20
Speaker 12: have to as a people again understand the necessity to
39:26
Speaker 12: keep our primary industries alive, healthy, feeding us building our economy.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Always great to catch up with you
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Speaker 2: with such a deep thinker. Good on you, John, Nice
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Speaker 2: to see you again, healthy and wise as usual, John
39:41
Speaker 2: Anderson there what a great man he was, and what
39:42
Speaker 2: a great politician. An update on Little kumen Yai little
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Speaker 2: Baby shortly, you won't want to miss this. Plus, a
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Speaker 2: man has shown up to the Anti Semitism Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe it wearing a shirt with a swastika
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Speaker 2: on it? Yep, it's actually happened. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 2: with our panel. Next Welcome back, Charry Markson coming up
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Speaker 2: at the top of the hour. I want to update
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Speaker 2: you on coomen Jay little Baby, the five year old
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Speaker 2: girl allegedly murdered in Alice Springs. Now the Australian newspapers
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Speaker 2: reporting she was subject of six to six child protection
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Speaker 2: reports since mid March and living in quote a dangerous environment.
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Speaker 2: That's according to sources familiar with the case. Northern Territory
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Speaker 2: Police made the sixth notification. Can you believe this that
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Speaker 2: an Department of Children and Families two days before she
40:30
Speaker 2: went missing, and it was in relation to an alleged
40:33
Speaker 2: assault on the mother of that girl in that camp.
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Speaker 2: Three staff members working in the department have now been
40:40
Speaker 2: stood down after reports that the young girl little girl
40:44
Speaker 2: was going missing. A police search took place and according
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Speaker 2: to find Jefferson Lewis, he's now been charged and that'll
40:51
Speaker 2: go through the courts. This is though, what Robin Cayhill
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Speaker 2: and have a listen to her. We need more. Robin Cayhills,
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Speaker 2: who was the territory's Minister for Children, had to say
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Speaker 2: about this today.
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Speaker 16: I've already been accused of being a racist, and I'm
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Speaker 16: okay with that because if caring about children makes me
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Speaker 16: a racist, I will wear that badge with honor. We
41:12
Speaker 16: are not looking at creating a second generation of stolen generation.
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Speaker 16: What we are doing is saying I'm not going to
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Speaker 16: abandon these kids. We can't hide behind a situation that
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Speaker 16: happened many, many years ago and say that that's a reason.
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Speaker 2: To remain in it and to not take action. Saying
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Speaker 2: it like it is joining me now, Jemma to Nuni
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Speaker 2: from GT Communications and Sky News contributor Caroline Duso de
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Speaker 2: Rosso Jemma. Look, I can remember it must be twenty
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Speaker 2: years ago, working in Sydney confronting this very problem with
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Speaker 2: social workers child protection, to people telling me that it
41:47
Speaker 2: was almost impossible to place an Indigenous child outside an
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Speaker 2: Indigenous community or Indigenous family.
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Speaker 17: Nothing's changed, Look, Steve, I grew up in Western Australia,
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Speaker 17: as you know, and visited towns like Roubin in the
42:02
Speaker 17: Pilbra back in the day, which was very confronting. And
42:06
Speaker 17: I know some of the things that we've seen in
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Speaker 17: the last week broadly are very confronting. As a country,
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Speaker 17: we need to have the ticker to have these difficult conversations.
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Speaker 17: I think a lot of people would have resonated with
42:18
Speaker 17: the comments of the Northern Territory Minister that you just
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Speaker 17: played there. This is an issue broadly that absolutely must
42:26
Speaker 17: be color blind. It absolutely must be and until we
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Speaker 17: get to that point, I fear that not a lot
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Speaker 17: will change and that is not a good outcome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Colorblind's a good term, Caroline. It seems to me
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Speaker 2: that the system operating here just struggles with the concept
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Speaker 2: of removing a child from a space that is clearly dangerous.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and look, you know there's been plenty said over
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Speaker 18: the years in relation to the Stolen Generation, but I
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Speaker 18: think that needs to be understood in the context of
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Speaker 18: the time and what people did in those particular circumstances.
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Speaker 18: That does not mean that broadly you leave children in
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Speaker 18: dangerous circumstances because you are ideologically or for whatever reason,
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Speaker 18: think that you're rhyming with the past. This is not
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Speaker 18: about repeating and in fact, by neglecting children or not
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Speaker 18: giving them the safety, particularly when reports are made, you're
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Speaker 18: going to end up creating an issue in the future
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Speaker 18: which is just a different type of issue to the
43:33
Speaker 18: one that happened in the past. People need to do
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Speaker 18: the right thing for the right reasons, because there's a
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Speaker 18: duty to protect children that are in danger.
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Speaker 2: Discussing scenes today day three of the Anti Semitism Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission in Sydney and some very dangerous person. I'm not
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Speaker 2: making light of this. I'm not calling him a jerk
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Speaker 2: or an idiot. He's both of those things. But he's
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Speaker 2: there wearing a shirt with a swastika on it and
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Speaker 2: a star of David inside, sitting out the front of
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Speaker 2: the Commission drinking coffee. He was issued with a move
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Speaker 2: on notice and was later arrested. I mean, Jemma, this
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Speaker 2: bloke deliberately went there to be provocative and then tried
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Speaker 2: to say, oh, well, I wear this shirt all the time. Well,
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Speaker 2: if you do wear that shirt all the time, mate,
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Speaker 2: you should be dragged off the street and spend a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks in jail.
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Speaker 17: I don't know of many better, more real time, tangible
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Speaker 17: examples of how this problem, this cancer of anti Semitism
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Speaker 17: due hatred. Let's not dress it up with polite terms.
44:36
Speaker 17: It's hatred of Jewish people has become normalized than someone
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Speaker 17: anyone feeling emboldened to wear such an offensive T shirt
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Speaker 17: not only out and about in public, but right in
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Speaker 17: front of a royal commission that's investigating, amongst other things,
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Speaker 17: the conditions that led to the killing of fourteen Jewish
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Speaker 17: people on bond Dibet.
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Speaker 8: This this is not just oh, Australia's got a problem.
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Speaker 17: This is a deep seated issue. I recall the evidence
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Speaker 17: of the young frenchwoman that was reported widely yesterday saying
45:09
Speaker 17: I have seen this before. This is what happened in
45:12
Speaker 17: France years ago. I came to Australia because it felt safer.
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Speaker 17: It doesn't feel safe anymore, Steve. I sometimes feel like
45:20
Speaker 17: I'm shouting into the wind or constantly checking myself thinking
45:24
Speaker 17: am I missing something? Am I missing something here? But
45:26
Speaker 17: we have a deep problem with an ancient form of
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Speaker 17: hatred that has somehow become very entrenched in sections of
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Speaker 17: mainstream Australia and normalized.
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Speaker 2: It's terrifying. I mean, Caroline, I'd be even tougher on
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Speaker 2: this blog. I mean, seriously, I thought New South Wales
45:45
Speaker 2: past laws. I know Victoria has that displaying of a
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Speaker 2: swastika can lead to your arrest. It can be fine
45:53
Speaker 2: and you can be jailed. Why did the three police
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Speaker 2: officers turn up there after this blog was smugly talking
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Speaker 2: to the media and pat him on the back and
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Speaker 2: lead him off down the street. Why wasn't he thrown
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Speaker 2: in the back of a divvy van taken down to
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Speaker 2: the Central Police station in Sydney and told listen, mate,
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Speaker 2: that's illegal. You're spending a couple of days here and
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Speaker 2: we're going to find you a few thousand bucks.
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Speaker 18: Well Ie, not the Police Commissioner of New South Wales.
46:18
Speaker 18: I think you know, perhaps they just didn't want to
46:20
Speaker 18: make a scene in public in front of the cameras.
46:23
Speaker 18: But it goes to the point and that Gemma was
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Speaker 18: talking about. Wearing a shirt like that is not shooting
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Speaker 18: people on the beach, right, But what it does is
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Speaker 18: it entrenches a culture. But this sort of thing is acceptable,
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Speaker 18: And I don't think that any sort of level of
46:45
Speaker 18: permissibility turning a blind eye or not dealing with things
46:50
Speaker 18: head on when they're happening, you know it only it
46:56
Speaker 18: only leads to people and the perception that this sort
46:59
Speaker 18: of thing is permissible, and it is entrenched and it
47:02
Speaker 18: is cultural. So I think when it comes to things
47:04
Speaker 18: like this, even though you know it is just wearing
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Speaker 18: a T shirt, it is not something like actual violence.
47:12
Speaker 18: It's that sort of subtlety that we often see in
47:14
Speaker 18: anti Semitism, which is a huge part of the problem,
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Speaker 18: and just keeps pushing out the boundaries of what is
47:22
Speaker 18: you know, permitted or seen to be acceptable. None of
47:25
Speaker 18: this is acceptable, and it needs to be dealt with
47:27
Speaker 18: straight away, because if it isn't dealt with straightaway, just
47:31
Speaker 18: like the chanting on the opera house steps, you see
47:33
Speaker 18: that these things snowball into other things.
47:37
Speaker 2: And Jemmy, we go from that to two great Australians
47:40
Speaker 2: bottle shop, New South waleses Central Coast. A couple of
47:43
Speaker 2: teenagers think they can go in there and load their
47:45
Speaker 2: arms up with free grog and walk out. Two good Samaritans,
47:49
Speaker 2: two people who are very sensible. They didn't get aggressive.
47:52
Speaker 2: They just said you too, go back in there and
47:55
Speaker 2: put all that back on the shelves and get out
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Speaker 2: of here. That's the sort of Australia that we need
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Speaker 2: to get back to being.
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Speaker 17: That's the community version, Steve of your father's home and
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Speaker 17: you're going to answer.
48:06
Speaker 18: To Dad bloody right now of it.
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Speaker 2: I just absolutely love that. And my local bottle shop
48:15
Speaker 2: they come and do that, They load themselves up in
48:17
Speaker 2: the UDL cans and walk out. Great to see you both,
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Speaker 2: it always is. We'll see you next week. I mean,
48:23
Speaker 2: that is so good that those two blokes just said, gun,
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Speaker 2: put all the gronk back. They didn't grab them, punch them,
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Speaker 2: shout at them, They just said put it all back.
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Speaker 2: Charry Markson's up next.