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Erik Cason Interview at Pacific Bitcoin 2023 | Revolution Awaits | SIMPLY ORIGINALS · Simply Bitcoin

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  And I have Eric Cason in the flesh.
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  So, Eric, how you doing? It's good to see you, bro.
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  Good to see you, brother. We're.
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  Reflections of the bell curve to one another.
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  That's why we're the truest and deepest brothers.
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  Yes, it's literally fitting. There is no midwit here because
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  it's left side and right side of the bell curve.
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  The the truth is I just. Fall off the right side and go
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  back on the left side. So, Oh my.
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  OK, I'm, I'm so glad we went there because I have this idea
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  and I'm trolling kind of here. But I really do believe the bell
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  curve is a circle. You go so far off the left side
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  that you end up on the right side, and you go so far off the
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  right side, you end up back on the left side.
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  It's like, what? What is going on here?
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  Which one's which? Well, this is kind of an
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  interesting thing that I love about.
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  Philosophy because first. Of all, like, I don't think
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  philosophy is possible in academia.
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  And the other irony of philosophy.
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  Is that like it's? Supposed to be this smart person
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  thing, but it's really you simply saying I don't actually
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  know. And I'd like to know.
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  And so like it's really important to understand that you
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  know, and Socrates apology. This is one of the things who he
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  pointed out he was like, I don't know that I know anything.
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  But that's still more than these people who are declaring they
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  actually know what it is. Well, is that not just a case of
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  the midwit that thinks he knows everything And they're so
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  adamant about what they know? And we're sitting here like
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  guys, we have no clue what the hell is going on here.
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  Like, do you like, I know exactly what's going on.
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  You're like, oh, this guy knows. And if you want to engage in
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  like true. Philosophical dialogue.
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  And actually thinking about stuff, you have to be open and
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  available. The fact that like you could be
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  wrong. And this is one of the reasons.
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  That like we have all these Ivy. Leagues and academics and PhDs
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  who come to us and say we're. Right.
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  We're right. We're.
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  Right. And we watch this entire system
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  collapse on itself and we're like, if you.
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  Guys were also right. Why is it that the same endemic
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  problems that started in 2008 financial crisis have just
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  continued to today and now are at a much larger crisis
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  proportion? Yeah, 100%.
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  Well, I don't. I don't know if they have enough
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  self-awareness to even ask themselves these questions.
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  Yeah, and there's another thing I bring up pretty frequently is.
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  The the idea. Of the banality of.
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  Evil is. That.
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  It's not that these are maniacal, evil people that are
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  trying to do something terrible. It's that they're not thinking
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  at all and that's what allows for them to engage in in these
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  behaviors that in my opinion. Truly are evil cause.
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  To me, what Fiat represents. Is the.
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  Ability for people to. Steal from me and redirect that
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  money towards making war. And that's something that I find
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  morally reprehensible and unethical.
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  Imperative that I must resist that Bitcoin gives me access to
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  Yeah, yeah, I've been seeing your noster and you've been
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  going very hard on that very idea of we're here to fix
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  things, and if you aren't taking what we're doing seriously, then
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  like, are you really grabbing the moment by the horns?
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  Like what? What are we doing here?
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  But trying to defund all of the evil of the world, and by
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  necessarily embracing Fiat, or rather being oblivious to the
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  causes or the effects of Fiat, you're literally part of the
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  problem. Yeah, and you know, to me this
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  is the thing I'm pedantic about, like crypto in general is.
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  That while. I do want to reserve a space.
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  For there to be. Very real new practices and
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  tactics. Vis A vis cryptography.
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  And knows there's an excellent example of us using that tactic.
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  What we find from a lot of people that are involved in shit
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  coining is the simple fact of that they don't understand that
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  our mission here is to end Fiat and to liberate humanity to be.
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  Able to have self. Sovereignty over our wealth that
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  we've fairly earned. And that that is an ethical
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  imperative that I I think they almost laugh at.
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  And that's. Part of this.
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  General nihilism that I think is a product of essentially mid.
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  Wittery like the these. And it's not not to be
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  pejorative, but it's that they don't want to allow for
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  themselves the capacity to think.
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  Outside of the box, because they're still.
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  Thinking in terms of statism and legal systems as opposed to
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  something new that we haven't seen before, that opens humanity
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  up to the true potentiality of what?
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  Access to recreating the political would actually mean
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  OK, I'm going to butcher one of your tweets, or I I don't even
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  know what you call them on Noster, a post or whatever.
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  They should be like. Squarks or something right?
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  For like on ostrich or I don't know what you call them.
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  Anyways, a post on Noster and just to like TODRI.
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  Basically I think you said something on the lines and I, I
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  know you've been going very hard on this.
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  He's like literally guys, why is it so hard for you to agree that
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  looting and war and murder is bad?
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  Like, how is this even a contentious idea in the world?
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  But obviously the Fiat monetary system, the Fiat midwit
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  mentality is like if a government kills someone, if a
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  government loots from you, like it's OK.
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  Where as an individual you could never get away with this stuff
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  and people are just like this is just the way it is, like how can
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  anything be different? We're like, no there.
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  There is right and wrong in the world and we're trying to change
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  this or at least expose it. Well, I I I.
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  Think one thing first is like I want to honor and inspect the
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  fact of that everyone is captured.
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  Now that does stand up and resist and and this is.
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  Actually what my lecture? When I was in rego.
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  Was about, was the. Development of specifically the
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  Panopticon into a surveillance system and its relationship.
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  To both The Holocaust. And concentration camps of that.
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  This is the same paradigm and model that we have now made into
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  an open to aired prison system. And what we've seen with the
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  Uyghur genocide is that through surveillance they're performing
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  what I've been calling the perfect genocide.
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  Because it's no longer actually about liquidating and killing a
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  people that you find as an enemy, but it's about destroying
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  their culture, destroying their language, destroying their
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  identities, destroying their God, and destroying all aspects
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  of personal sovereignty and making them into a.
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  Total hollowed out slave for the state.
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  And then furthermore, once you've destroyed them through.
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  This process of torture. You release them back out into
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  their region. You go.
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  There's surveillance everywhere. You never know if you're being
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  watched and if you try to resist us in any meaningful way, we.
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  Will hurt you. And now we've seen with their
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  Chinese style social credit system which to?
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  Be very clear, CBD CS are this exact.
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  Same style of a social credit system and it.
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  Will be used to deprive you of your.
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  Wealth when you go outside the bounds and parameters of
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  purchasing things that the government does not like.
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  This is a very, very, very serious crisis.
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  For all of humanity and we need to understand that these.
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  Tools are so. Powerful and sophisticated that
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  if we do not address this problem immediately, there's
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  going to be severe consequences, not just for us and our
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  children, but. For all of posterity.
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  For the rest of time to come for thousands of years.
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  Possibly so. Understand that this is a.
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  Very, very real crisis. Point that we need to
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  understand. If we don't stand up and say
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  this is wrong and we will resist it.
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  We will find ourselves and our children trapped in a system
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  that we cannot escape. Wow.
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  OK, I totally agree. But man, dropping it heavy on
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  us, OK, I've been using the meme when we got to CBDC, it's not
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  central bank digital currencies, it's central bank digital
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  control. And I'm doubling down on these
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  ideas. Like you're saying, you know,
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  Nico always says Bitcoin or slavery.
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  We're starting to get a little more hyperbolic.
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  It's like Bitcoin or death. And at first it feels like we're
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  just being, you know, hyperbolic.
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  We're just trying to spread good memes and and do it in a way
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  that, like, captures people's minds.
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  But I really do believe that we are at a tipping point right now
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  in the history of man. And there's two roads to go.
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  Like you're saying, it's literally slavery forever, or
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  there's freedom on the Bitcoin network.
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  And it's going to take a lot of grit, a lot of work, a lot of
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  conviction to stand up and look at the crowd and look at
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  everyone and be like, look, this shit is fucked up and we need to
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  change this. And I'm not going to ask you to
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  be the one to sacrifice yourself like I'm putting in the word for
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  myself because I understand how important this moment in time
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  is. Well, and to me, like this is
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  one of my most significant critiques of democracy is like
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  I. I have no interest in convincing
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  you that these ethical crimes are crimes.
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  I know they are, and I'm going to empower myself in a way to
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  make sure that I can resist that unilaterally and thank goodness,
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  Bitcoin. Allows for that capacity.
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  In personally and I think even going beyond just saying you
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  know the choice is Bitcoin or slavery and and with the moniker
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  you know that that it's Bitcoin or death.
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  Like it's important to understand that the American
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  Revolution and one of their great slogans was join or die
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  and. The idea.
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  Of this wasn't just to, you know, be flippant and pedantic
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  about it, but. It's that literally the choice
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  is is that. You can join the American
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  Revolution, or you can perish under the tyranny of King
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  George. So join or die.
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  And that's the same thing that I see going on with Bitcoin is you
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  can join us, learn how this works and protect your wealth,
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  or you can allow for the state to steal from you, rob you of
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  everything through hyperinflation, and then you
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  will die. And it really is that simple,
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  like get looted or avoid getting looted.
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  Well, and and it's important to understand that like this now
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  becomes the foundational order for a new form of the political,
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  the simple fact. And that's why.
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  People have always said Bitcoin is.
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  Apolitical and I go against it. I say Bitcoin is the most
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  political thing and it's because it re implements an
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  apoliticality that is. The truth that.
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  A. A form of law.
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  Is supposed to be. And to me, what Bitcoin
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  represents is it is the first social contract that has been
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  accomplished and created through cryptography.
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  And this now creates a base. Layer of what?
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  Is our Commonwealth, which the Commonwealth is also.
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  The IT has. The same etymological origin of
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  the word. Rez Publica.
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  Which is the Roman idea. Of the Republic.
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  OK, all right. Amazing.
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  All right. Not to stop this conversation
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  short, but you were just telling me that you are going on a book
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  tour, a world book tour for your recent book, and I haven't read
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  it yet. I've read some of the your
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  works. One of my favorite Bitcoin
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  thinkers, Bitcoin philosopher if I will.
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  Is this what your book's about? And maybe TLDR people for why
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  they should read the book. Obviously, just listen to him
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  guys, and you should read it. Well, I always eschew the the.
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  Title of being a. Philosopher, perhaps?
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  A thinker, but I really try to think of myself as a strategist
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  and to me like. This is really about.
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  Entertaining the philosophical and sociological aspects of if
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  if Bitcoin truly is what we think it is and functions as it
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  seems to be functioning, what does this open humanity up to?
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  What does it mean that there's now a new form of sovereignty?
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  That we have access to through vis A vis cryptography.
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  And to me, now that we have Bitcoin out in the the world.
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  We this this base. Layer of the Commonwealth can
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  start building all the new structures it needs, and Noser
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  is one of the primary examples. Like the site because.
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  It's not doing anything. Shit Coiny.
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  But it's. Using the same model and
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  methodology that Bitcoins time change functions through to
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  create its own methodology to create a social network.
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  And now we're going to start seeing us building more and more
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  applications like this, whether it's going to be.
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  Voice over IP. Systems Peer-to-peer encryption
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  software. Self sovereign computing and
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  we're seeing all of this bubble. Up as a great.
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  Blooming That isn't simply about Bitcoin, but it's the larger
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  umbrella movement that. I see to be that is crypto.
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  Anarchy and the inheritance of Cypherpunk philosophy.
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  Love it. Absolutely love it.
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  OK, you touched on it a few times and recently I've been
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  doing my best to not get black pilled and not get pessimistic
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  and look at it at the world and be hopeful for for lack of a
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  terms like humanity. And as much as we have dedicated
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  our lives to try to wake up as many people as possible, two
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  questions here. Are people as dumb as they are
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  acting and is there hope to actually wake up everyone?
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  Or does it just matter about the individuals taking action?
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  I mean, no, honestly, it's a little.
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  Bit of both. Like everyone has the
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  potentiality of the spark inside of them to to truly start
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  questioning and asking questions.
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  But like that that spark. Has to get ignited by some
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  particular aspect inside of them.
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  And what I find is really interesting is that like, yeah,
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  I think 95% of the population is doomed because they can't do
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  that. But that spark can be ignited in
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  any person, anywhere, from any background of any religion, any
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  race, any creed. And I think it's really
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  important for us to recognize that that individual empowerment
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  is about kind of. This higher social structure.
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  Of people coming into contact. With the truth of.
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  Reality and being and understanding that we don't live
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  in a nihilistic. World where the idea of truth.
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  Is a complete subjectivity, but there there is something greater
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  that can help order our world and Bitcoin seems to have.
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  Fused. Itself into that way that.
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  Allows for it to actualize. The realist form of money that
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  we've ever encountered through it bonding both energy and
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  cryptography into a singular entity that's also then.
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  Protected by the upper. Limit of the number of monetary
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  units that can ever be created and by this very thing being
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  introduced into the world. And there's the thing that I
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  find the most remarkable is that it's not just about us
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  encountering truth and going, oh, this is great, It's about
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  encountering truth in the totality of the darkness of
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  nihilism and that absolute black pill of saying there is no
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  conceivable way to escape. This.
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  And somehow, miraculously, in that Bitcoin presents itself as
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  the solution not just to our monetary.
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  Woes that Fiat has. Created but the endemic, sick,
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  nihilistic. Culture that has robbed.
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  Us of almost everything and has tried to make us into
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  two-dimensional consumerists that are all supposed to be
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  homogenized in the same, as opposed to the unique, powerful
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  entity that is only you. Wow, I love it.
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  Yeah, I just blowing my mind. This is why I love Eric.
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  I absolutely love talking to you.
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  But I've. I've realized that before
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  Bitcoin I was pessimistic, nihilistic, you know, get your
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  kicks on Route 66 type thinking just like Yolo, have fun, you
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  know gain experiences. And then through Bitcoins, like
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  you said, something internally was recharged.
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  And I looked at the world through new lenses.
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  I'm like, wow, there is hope in the world.
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  Like there is good left in the world.
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  And it might just be touching truth.
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  And I was reminded what you're talking about.
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  What we're seeing right now seems to me, and I think you
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  would agree, just like the degradation of human spirit.
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  And I just kept thinking of, I know we use the Klaus Schwab
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  meme of like you will own nothing and be happy and then we
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  use it kind of in like a materialistic sense.
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  But right now when you're talking, I was, I was kind of
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  taking it more in like a a cultural aspect.
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  Like you will own nothing of your own human spirit and be
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  happy and like you said, be A2 dimensional BLOB and be like
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  just eat the worms, shut up, go to work and have no say in the
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  matter. And there's something internally
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  through, I don't know, the sociological human behavior that
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  is created through Bitcoin, that you're just like, no, like, I
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  will take back my human spirit, I will take back my human
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  dignity. And we are going to change the
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  world. And I, I this is the stuff that
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  gets me the most excited. It's like, what is this?
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  The well and I. I It's very hard.
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  For us to describe it one because I don't know if we
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  actually have the adequate language.
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  But the the. Truth of what occurring is
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  reverberating with everybody. And this is growing.
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  It's getting bigger. If you've ever been to a Bitcoin
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  conference like this, like. It's a.
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  It's a pretty intense experience because like, you will have very
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  deep and profound conversations with people, and I know of
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  dozens of people at this point in time that.
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  Have actually like had. Legitimate spiritual awakenings
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  because they they're realizing. Like.
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  This isn't about money. It's about law itself.
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  And the fact is, is that at the end of?
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  World War Two, we watched law shipwreck.
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  Itself in such an extreme way that the that the legal system
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  fundamentally exploded. Like we had the.
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  Largest crime that has ever happened in human history.
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  Barely 2. Percent of the people were ever
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  even put on trial for it, and then the vast majority of those
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  people were then transported and integrated into the United
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  States government and military structure directly and like
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  these. Are people that killed.
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  Millions of human beings that did nothing wrong.
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  And I want to be clear, it was seen as not being a crime both
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  on from the Nazi legal structure and from the greater United
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  Nations structure. And you can see by the fact of
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  how light handed we were at the punishments at Nuremberg.
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  And all of the successive genocides that have came after
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  that and the complete incapacity to actually try them and to me,
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  what Bitcoin represents is the ability.
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  For us to recover the truth of what law is.
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  And inside of that law we can now contain our wealth.
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  So that these parasites. Can't come along and steal from
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  us and then use it to create and generate hate between US and
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  other peoples around the world and say that person lives within
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  a. Geographical territory that.
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  Identifies them as our enemy and we need to kill them.
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  Fuck you. You can't have my money.
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  You can't use it to. Kill people if.
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  You want to come back and stop using violence and murder and
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  harm and terror to get what you want?
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  We. Could talk about it.
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  But until you stop financing war, I want nothing to do with
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  your monetary and legal system. Hold on.
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  Absolutely couldn't agree more. And I think on this note, I go
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  back and forth a lot of times and I I think this might just be
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  healthy. Anytime I hear you talk, we go
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  so far down the rabbit hole like it's almost a psychedelic
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  experiencing experience. Just listening to Eric Kayson,
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  like rant. And you're just like, Oh my God,
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  I remember you said kind of a tangent the last time I saw you,
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  I think it was last year. And you're like, it's almost
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  like the Bitcoin community wants me to go crazy, cuz I just like
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  black out on stream. And they're like, keep going,
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  keep going, bro. And so I think we all kind of go
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  through this once you go so far down the rabbit hole.
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  And so the question is, are we right?
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  I mean, we are right and we're going to insist upon being right
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  and we're going to push that to the most extreme limit.
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  But what I really appreciate about.
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  Bitcoin and something that not only bitcoiners but the
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  fundamental way that Bitcoin functions, it always returns me
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  to the ethical. Practice of that to.
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  Me like this is about the most radical form of nonviolent that
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  I can enact on. And this was one of my arcs of
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  why I joined Bitcoin was in the. Fallout of Occupy Wall Street.
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  I understood how endemic finance.
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  Was to the. Process of creating war.
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  And specifically from my own background, I feel militantly
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  against the idea of conducting war and so when it finally
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  clicked for me that. This is a way.
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  That I can proactively definance the state.
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  I can make it so they can't steal my wealth in any way.
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  Even if that means that they attack and destroy me
• 18:37
  personally, I can still deprive them of my wealth and to me,
• 18:41
  getting to have the ethical stance of saying no.
• 18:45
  I refuse to go. Along with this anymore.
• 18:47
  And I don't want to participate because to me, like this is the
• 18:51
  most horrific thing that has ever happened in human history,
• 18:54
  and it's the fact. That other.
• 18:55
  People are murdered under my name, with my wealth, and I
• 18:57
  can't stop it. And it's disgusting.
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  Wow. OK.
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  At the risk of a. Just to finalize my answer.
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  Yes, we are right, but. Convincing people of that is not
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  going to be a lifelong task, and we have to be committed to the
• 19:15
  ethical principles of that. Bitcoin is about actualizing a
• 19:18
  world of peace through cryptography, and that's really
• 19:21
  what my book is about, is about how crypto sovereignty allows
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  for us to create a new form of a political system.
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  That has peace as. Its fundamental goal.
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  As opposed to. The utilization of violence to
• 19:31
  try to create peace. Yeah.
• 19:32
  I mean, when when Eric talks, how could you even try to fight
• 19:36
  big clan when you can explain it in that way?
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  I I couldn't even imagine, OK, You constantly blow my mind and
• 19:43
  at the risk of kind of turning this conversation to like a duh,
• 19:47
  I just said it. What is the stuff that is
• 19:51
  blowing your mind right now? In all honesty, it's like the
• 19:55
  contemplation of what the linguistic structure of Bitcoin
• 19:58
  is and how how to mean more and more.
• 20:00
  That like this. Is all like a fundamental
• 20:02
  problem of language itself, and that Bitcoin, by the way, that
• 20:06
  it's essentially creating, It's like a it's a grammar without
• 20:12
  words, because it is. Like it fundamentally, is a
• 20:15
  rule. Set, but that rule set produces.
• 20:17
  Then you know these blobs of code that like like ATXID.
• 20:21
  Could be seen as being like a word, but it's a word that's.
• 20:25
  Totally unique to that transaction between those two
• 20:28
  entities that created that transaction.
• 20:30
  And furthermore, like that word, it'll exist for all.
• 20:34
  Of human history on the Bitcoin blockchain, and it can always be
• 20:37
  referenced back as that specific.
• 20:39
  Event so, so to me it's almost like a a super language project
• 20:43
  that surveils. The entirety of what its network
• 20:47
  is doing and then creates a very specific word.
• 20:50
  For every single thing that happens.
• 20:52
  And that's a word that will never, ever be repeated again.
• 20:55
  Wow, OK, for some reason I got the Biblical scripture.
• 20:58
  At first there was the word, and now it's Bitcoin.
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  Well. And not to get, like,
• 21:03
  blasphemous there or whatever. Yeah, like.
• 21:07
  I think it's really important to understand it.
• 21:09
  Look at these corollaries, because part of like what I
• 21:12
  believe it is true to be. Happening.
• 21:14
  Is that like? If you look at like first there
• 21:16
  was the word. There's also parables about how
• 21:18
  like. God would point at something and
• 21:20
  it just became what it was. And it was because it was before
• 21:23
  language and so the idea of a. Word and a name were synonymous
• 21:28
  with each other, so that like there.
• 21:30
  There wasn't the idea of a tree. There was just the one tree that
• 21:33
  there was. And then the moment that Eve bit
• 21:36
  into the apple and attained knowledge like we.
• 21:38
  Could say that that's language, and language itself
• 21:40
  fundamentally becomes this object that.
• 21:44
  There's always one metaphorical turn that happens in any
• 21:48
  language you know. And so when I say an orange,
• 21:50
  like, am I talking about the idea of orange, the color of
• 21:52
  orange, that orange that's sitting right there, the orange
• 21:55
  like? That's trying to talk about
• 21:57
  forms. OK, OK, last question because I
• 22:03
  I want to let Eric get on to we're we're both worn out all
• 22:07
  day. I was just telling him like, yo,
• 22:08
  we're both Lauren out. He's like, I'm just, I'm just
• 22:10
  trying to catch, catch a little moment.
• 22:13
  My last question is, you were saying that Bitcoin through
• 22:17
  crypto sovereignty is true crypto anarchy.
• 22:20
  And so my thoughts are, what is your view on all the pro Bitcoin
• 22:25
  politicians that are currently making the rounds on social
• 22:28
  media on, you know, corporate press is?
• 22:32
  Is there a need for politicians to be pro Bitcoin or is it one
• 22:36
  of these things that we always hear from high you know, just
• 22:38
  build a system that they cannot control that roundabout, sly way
• 22:42
  of taking that power back from them?
• 22:43
  Rather maybe TLDR like Are Bitcoin politicians important?
• 22:49
  Bitcoin politicians are important, but we've never had a
• 22:52
  Bitcoin politician. We have.
• 22:54
  We have politicians that want to use Bitcoin in order to further
• 22:58
  their own agenda. And so, like I I find that a
• 23:01
  little despicable personally. Like if we want a new form of
• 23:05
  political class to rise. Up and say, no, actually we are
• 23:08
  in an orange party that represents something entirely
• 23:10
  new and different, and it's about tearing down the
• 23:13
  structures of this government, rebuilding them on top of robust
• 23:16
  cryptography that's going to work for well into the future.
• 23:19
  Yeah, I'm down for that. But the other thing is, is that
• 23:22
  like at the end of the day to me?
• 23:25
  The battle is against the state and its reservation of the right
• 23:28
  to create violence. And so to me, I want to see a
• 23:31
  new political system get created that wants to essentially
• 23:34
  abscond from that and try to figure out and and like.
• 23:38
  This is what's led me on a lot of my philosophical path.
• 23:41
  And is what I'm working on now is that I'm working on a work
• 23:44
  from Emanuel Levinas in Totality and Infinity.
• 23:46
  And in the opening, he asked the question, Is man doomed to an
• 23:50
  infinite existence within war? Or is there something else that
• 23:54
  we have? Is there a possibility of?
• 23:56
  Real and actual peace for humanity.
• 23:59
  And I believe that that is true. And I believe that Bitcoin has a
• 24:02
  very large role to. Play in helping remove the
• 24:06
  endemic violence that statism has trapped all of us in and
• 24:10
  creating a totally and radical new possibility that no one
• 24:13
  foresaw being able to happen. Absolutely love it.
• 24:16
  Absolutely love it. OK, last question.
• 24:18
  I know it said the last one was the last question, but you
• 24:20
  sparked another idea in my head. And a lot of times, I think when
• 24:24
  you come across someone that for instance might hear in Eric case
• 24:29
  on Epic Rant, they might ask themselves, this sounds well and
• 24:34
  good. You sound very ideological, and
• 24:36
  it seems like you may be reaching towards a utopian
• 24:39
  ideal. What would be your response to
• 24:41
  that idea that maybe we're being, I don't know, a tad bit
• 24:44
  utopian in the idea of fix the money, fix the world?
• 24:48
  Sure. But first I'd point out that the
• 24:49
  word utopia itself means no place.
• 24:52
  And that's also where we're working.
• 24:54
  We we aren't any place in particular, We're everywhere
• 24:57
  within where the Internet is. And so I'd say this does sound
• 25:00
  quite utopian. But to me, like this is also why
• 25:03
  this is about political philosophy itself is.
• 25:06
  Funny enough to quote quote of all people.
• 25:07
  I'll quote Karl Marx and the fact that he pointed out that
• 25:11
  the point of philosophy isn't to interpret the world, it's to.
• 25:14
  Change it. And I believe he was right in
• 25:16
  that. And I think Bitcoin is the
• 25:17
  actual the. Actualization of a political
• 25:20
  philosophy that can radically oppose the creeping.
• 25:24
  Communism that we're seeing, but also the general corporate
• 25:27
  fascism that already rules us and through the radical.
• 25:30
  Ideas that Bitcoin is, it actually neutralizes both of
• 25:34
  these very. Extreme forms and then makes the
• 25:37
  most radical form of liberalism that says I respect you as a
• 25:40
  self. Sovereign individual.
• 25:42
  And I'm going to implement a system where I cannot steal from
• 25:44
  you no matter what. Man, Eric absolutely love you,
• 25:49
  bro. I'm sure we can do this for, I
• 25:51
  don't know, probably like 6 hours.
• 25:54
  We should One day we'll just like.
• 25:55
  Spark up joints and just just pass them around and just see
• 25:58
  how deep we get down the rabbit hole.
• 25:59
  Not. Not not on camera.
• 26:01
  We'll just keep going and if you get lucky, you'll get a glimpse
• 26:04
  of it. But Eric?
• 26:06
  Last note, where can the people find you?
• 26:08
  You said you're going on a global world book tour.
• 26:12
  What else are you working on? What do you want the people to
• 26:14
  see out there? What?
• 26:14
  What do you want Just the people to take a look at?
• 26:17
  Yeah, if you can do. If you follow me on Twitter,
• 26:19
  that's where I do. A lot of my ranting and stuff on
• 26:22
  No Sir as well, and if you're going to be at Bitcoin
• 26:25
  Amsterdam, I'll be presenting there along with the first
• 26:28
  Indonesian Bitcoin Conference, which I'm quite excited about.
• 26:32
  And if you're just curious and kind of following other deeper
• 26:34
  works that I. Have You can buy my book and you
• 26:37
  can find that on Bitcoin Magazine's website, or you can
• 26:40
  also look it up on Amazon. Just for the people that aren't
• 26:43
  aware, what is the book? Title.
• 26:44
  I'm sorry, I should probably do that.
• 26:46
  It's called crypto. Sovereignty and its subtitle is
• 26:48
  The Encrypted Political Philosophy of.
• 26:50
  Bitcoin. Well, Eric, it's always a
• 26:54
  pleasure, brother. I'm so glad we got to do this.
• 26:57
  I will let you go off and enjoy the rest of your night, but
• 27:00
  really appreciate it for blowing my mind for 30 minutes really
• 27:03
  quick. It went by really, really fast.
• 27:06
  And Eric, appreciate it bro. Appreciate it.
• 27:10
  All right guys, I hope you enjoyed that.
• 27:12
  Definitely go follow and listen to Eric Kaso on here.