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Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy This Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 2: by podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown joining me is co host this week. Ooh,
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Speaker 1: my favorite co host of all no co hosts. But
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Speaker 1: there is a guest in the room YouTube sensation John
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Speaker 1: Lewis is here. How's it going here?
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Speaker 3: What up though? And I'm probably gonna run from the
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Speaker 3: government after this episode.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could see that we're doing one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite episode formats. It's a my favorite conspiracy episode,
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Speaker 1: which that just means the guest brings the topic and
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Speaker 1: the research and I get to listen and be convinced.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, it's not gonna take much convincing. John.
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Speaker 1: What is the conspiracy you're bringing to the show this week?
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Speaker 3: I don't even know how to word it. Basically, my
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Speaker 3: conspiracy is that the federal government is pretty much actively
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Speaker 3: suppressing black wealth building, I guess, or I don't know
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Speaker 3: how to describe it. You I read it to you,
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Speaker 3: how would you do? How would you title it?
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Speaker 1: I think that's actually the right way to say it.
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Speaker 1: The federal government is actively suppressing black wealth building. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: I sure don't disagree. As crazy as it would be
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Speaker 1: for the American government to suppress anything related to black people,
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Speaker 1: this sounds about right. I mean, civil rights they did that,
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Speaker 1: so why not wealth Also.
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Speaker 3: So the thing about this conspiracy is I didn't really
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Speaker 3: realize it was a conspiracy up until a few years
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Speaker 3: ago because I grew up in Detroit for people that
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Speaker 3: never heard any episodes about me. So like, this is
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Speaker 3: stuff like we just all thought was common knowledge. Like
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Speaker 3: literally teachers would teach it, like we learned about redlining
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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And the more as I started
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Speaker 3: working and stuff with a lot of other cultures, I
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Speaker 3: realized the average American doesn't know what red lining is.
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Speaker 3: Like that's you would think that's just something everybody knows about,
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Speaker 3: Like if you just if we just started red lining,
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Speaker 3: and the basic definition of a conspiracy, it's literally a
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Speaker 3: conspiracy that's been proven. So the TLBR version is that
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Speaker 3: once black people started being will stop being property. And
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Speaker 3: they was like, fine, y'all by houses. All of the
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Speaker 3: real estate agents they got together and was like, all right, well,
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Speaker 3: when we sell black people houses, they can't go past
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Speaker 3: these areas in each city, and they drew up red lines.
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Speaker 3: And it's why now all the way in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 3: basically the worst part of any city is the south
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Speaker 3: side and it's mostly and it's basically almost all black,
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Speaker 3: or every city you can kind of tell what the
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Speaker 3: black area is, and that's not by coincidence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bring that up about La a bunch. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever talked about it on the
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy Pod, but La is a place where that happens
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Speaker 1: very famously like blatantly, and LA is still one of
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Speaker 1: the most segregated places I've ever lived, and it feels intentional,
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Speaker 1: Like La, of all places, really needs a robust public
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Speaker 1: transit system and we don't have it. And I think
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Speaker 1: it's because they don't want poor people, people of color
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Speaker 1: being able to like really get to a place like
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Speaker 1: Santa Monica and fucking hang out. And so yeah, you
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Speaker 1: just don't it very much. Is in LA, Like South
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Speaker 1: LA that's where all the black people are, and East
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Speaker 1: LA is where all the brown people are. Like it's
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Speaker 1: it's still that way.
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Speaker 3: Right, And just not only did that happen, but it
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Speaker 3: also the way America is built. They literally changed laws
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Speaker 3: so that this affects generation at the generation. So a
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Speaker 3: couple books I want to recommend that people. One is
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Speaker 3: by this often named Jonathan Mitzel, is called white Flight.
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Speaker 3: No it's no, Jonathan Mitzel is dying of whiteness. And
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Speaker 3: the other one is white Flight. I might get the
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Speaker 3: officers mixed up, but they in certain parts they talk
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Speaker 3: about all of this. But anyway, so the way it
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Speaker 3: works in America is so say you live in a
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Speaker 3: specific zip code and you pay taxes, the property tax
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Speaker 3: and all of that goals to pay for public schooling.
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Speaker 3: So because they've already set up redlining and they've artificially
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Speaker 3: suppressed what black home values can be, that trickles down
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Speaker 3: to public schools. So I ask people, either it's one
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Speaker 3: of two things. Either black people just don't care about
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Speaker 3: schooling and our schools are just shitty because of that,
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Speaker 3: or somehow this money is not going to us and
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Speaker 3: our schools are always way worse than public schools in
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Speaker 3: the suburbs. Because it's been proven that because of what
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Speaker 3: they've done, that's why our schools are underfunded and the
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Speaker 3: suburban schools. You would think that it doesn't work like
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Speaker 3: that in any other area. Like imagine if your tax
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Speaker 3: dollars went to the roads near where you live instead
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Speaker 3: of just evenly divided across the state and country.
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, that is weird when it comes
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Speaker 1: to how those property taxes work, because yeah, there aren't
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Speaker 1: any I can't think of any other examples where yeah,
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Speaker 1: why I pay this tax but it's just for my neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't realize that's how property taxes work.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it all goes into it. That's why more poor
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Speaker 3: zip codes and sift the schools are always worse. They
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Speaker 3: can't have all of this. And the main reason this
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Speaker 3: episode came into my head is, well, it's actually one
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Speaker 3: of two things. It just came out of an article
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Speaker 3: that a Navy Federal Credit union. Basically they were it
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Speaker 3: happens with all banks, literally like all banks, you read
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Speaker 3: the article, But Navy Federal Credit Union they were doing
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Speaker 3: it a lot more. They were basically turning away black
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Speaker 3: applicants at a higher rate than white even if all
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Speaker 3: criteria was met or even better, like in some cases
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Speaker 3: they were showing that like a black household making one
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Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand were more likely to get turned
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Speaker 3: down than a white household making like sixty five thousand
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Speaker 3: for a mortgage. How is that possible?
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Speaker 1: Within see and yeah, a couple of things we should
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Speaker 1: point out about that article. We'll link to it. It's
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Speaker 1: a really good article. For one thing. See, man, they've
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Speaker 1: really been challenging the government on the front page lately,
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Speaker 1: like you don't. You don't normally see it from them.
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Speaker 1: We just did an episode a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 1: where they talked about this disappearance of this Iowa newspaper
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Speaker 1: carrier back in the eighties and at the end they're like,
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Speaker 1: maybe it was the government. It's really fucking interesting. In
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Speaker 1: this too, they're like Navy Federal Credit Union. That sounds
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Speaker 1: like a niche thing, but they're actually the largest credit
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Speaker 1: union in the US and they serve all military members
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Speaker 1: and their families, so they got a lot of fucking applicants,
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Speaker 1: a lot of customers, a lot of people coming to
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Speaker 1: them for mortgages, and yeah, the statistics in this article
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Speaker 1: are fucking nuts.
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Speaker 3: Also, it's another thing, like I swear I thought it
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Speaker 3: was Dave ja Vu like a couple months ago. It
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Speaker 3: was some article I read. They were like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: just so you will know that black home we ared
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Speaker 3: praise those if the house is black, it's going to
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Speaker 3: be under praise by like thirty to forty percent. I
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Speaker 3: forget the exact number, and I'm like, is this a reprint?
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Speaker 3: I swear I just read this article year and a
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Speaker 3: half ago. So I googled it and they were like,
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Speaker 3: oh no, yeah, we literally just did an article about
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Speaker 3: this two years ago. So basically what happened is this
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Speaker 3: black family they were trying to get their home appraised.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's that what Homer praises do I
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Speaker 3: can't afford a home, So I think it has something
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Speaker 3: to do with your assurance. But basically they were trying
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Speaker 3: to get their home a praise to sell it. I
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Speaker 3: think it has something to do with that. So the
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Speaker 3: people came out, they were like, yeah, your house is
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Speaker 3: X amount. They like, that doesn't seem right. I looked
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Speaker 3: at Zillow and all of my neighbors. So he get
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Speaker 3: a white family to come live in his house and
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Speaker 3: called I think either the same company or another one.
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Speaker 3: I want to say it's the same one. It went
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Speaker 3: up by like thirty percent. Yeah, this happened in two
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Speaker 3: different stories, different areas, and it's so common that like
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Speaker 3: it's been like all of the stuff I'm talking about,
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Speaker 3: this has been like well known and jokes in a
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Speaker 3: black community. It's actually a show. It was surprisingly good
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Speaker 3: with Tracy Morgan the last og you ever seen it?
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Speaker 3: You ever heard of me?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've always wanted to watch it. I've heard
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Speaker 1: good things and I actually Morgan a lot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised, like he's he's one of them,
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Speaker 3: Like I can only handle seventy percent Tracy Morgan one
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Speaker 3: hundred percent. Tracy Morgan is way too much. But on
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Speaker 3: that show, he's seventy percent Tracy Morgan. But they literally
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Speaker 3: did a whole episode like that where his mom used
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Speaker 3: his white friend or his I think it was his
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Speaker 3: ex wife white husband. She was like, Hey, can you
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Speaker 3: just live in my house for a couple of days
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Speaker 3: while I had this homme afraser and it'll get higher,
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Speaker 3: Like these are things. Yeah. The thing is like, I
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Speaker 3: don't even consider this a conspiracy episode because like this
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Speaker 3: is all stuff if you're black. The black viewers listening, like, man,
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Speaker 3: it ain't no conspiracy. We all know this. We've always
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Speaker 3: been told that no matter what, if yo, even if
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Speaker 3: you have the same income, no arrest record, it's going
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Speaker 3: to be harder to get a mortgage, It's going to
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Speaker 3: be harder to get a job. Like I forget the
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Speaker 3: exact number. I want to say it's three, but like
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Speaker 3: it's literally been proven that if three black families move
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Speaker 3: into a household, I mean moving to a neighborhood, the
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Speaker 3: value goes down, even if they bring make the same
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Speaker 3: amount the money, you know, no criminal record, Like what
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Speaker 3: is that besides the government or how or if it's
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Speaker 3: not the government, the housing market discriminating against black, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And I think it belongs on a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: episode because it's a thing that I'd say more than
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Speaker 1: just white people like conservatives. I think right wingers tend
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Speaker 1: to have this belief that I mean, sure there's still
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Speaker 1: racist people in the world, but it doesn't like impact
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Speaker 1: your life, like you can just pull yourself up from
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Speaker 1: your bootstraps, like why not just work a little harder.
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Speaker 1: And it's it's like so much more complicated than that,
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Speaker 1: Like in situations like this, it is literally the system
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Speaker 1: being rigged against people and making things harder for people.
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Speaker 1: And you can't argue pull yourself up from your bootstraps
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Speaker 1: if it's not a level playing field, like if just
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Speaker 1: purely by virtue of being white, you have all these
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Speaker 1: other opportunities that other groups don't have, Like that has
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Speaker 1: to be fixed before you can start making the pull
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Speaker 1: yourself up from your bootstraps argument. And this is like
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Speaker 1: just one example of this happening, Like it's been a
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Speaker 1: thing forever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the things like I would try and have
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Speaker 3: passed white coworkers like he, I would tell them stuff
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Speaker 3: like this and he never even heard of it, Like
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Speaker 3: he never heard of red lining, and the way America is.
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Speaker 3: I think like a past episode you were just talking about,
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Speaker 3: someone were saying that the average American what was it,
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom or something like that, they never heard of.
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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be surprised if the average person never
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Speaker 3: heard of red lining and they just like, oh, that's
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Speaker 3: not real or that's a myth. And just to go
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Speaker 3: back into that, like in one of the books, not
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Speaker 3: only did they create red lining, but up until the
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Speaker 3: point that black people started buying houses, just to be
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Speaker 3: a mortgage agent, you didn't need to pass all of
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Speaker 3: these tests and stuff. They literally created that because they
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Speaker 3: didn't want black real estate agents to be able to
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Speaker 3: sell homes. And then they were like, all right, y'all
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Speaker 3: can sell homes, but y'all can only sell them to
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Speaker 3: black people. And in these areas like it's it's crazy.
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Speaker 3: And like Americans we look at different countries, like they'll
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Speaker 3: look at somewhere like Finland or Denmark or Japan, they like,
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Speaker 3: how do they have public transit in one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty mile for hour trains. I'm like, well, when you
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Speaker 3: don't have racism or your population is ninety seven percent,
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Speaker 3: that everybody is fine working towards a better goal. But
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Speaker 3: like people don't realize how much racism actually holds America back,
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we spend a lot of time and resources
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Speaker 1: into keeping it a thing. Of course it's going to
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Speaker 1: hold us back, like in so many ways. And like
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Speaker 1: back to this article, there's so many like crazy stats
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Speaker 1: in this that make it really clear that this has
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Speaker 1: to be intentional, like this is a government agency for
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Speaker 1: all intents and purposes. And when they're pressed on this,
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Speaker 1: there's one loan in particular that they talk about where
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Speaker 1: this guy went to try and get a home loan
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Speaker 1: and he had done business with Navy Federal Credit Union.
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Speaker 1: He'd paid off a bunch of auto loans, his credit
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Speaker 1: score was over seven hundred. I think he made like
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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year, he had
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Speaker 1: a twenty percent down payment. Like that sounds like everything
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Speaker 1: you need to get a home loan, and for some reason,
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Speaker 1: Navy Federal Credit Union was like, no, we can't do it.
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Speaker 1: And then he goes to another lender and gets approved
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Speaker 1: in like two weeks. And when they pressed Navy Federal
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Speaker 1: Credit Union on that, they're like, well, you know, we
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Speaker 1: take a lot of factors into account, like credit score
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Speaker 1: and things like that, and they were like, well, this
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Speaker 1: guy's loan wasn't denied for his credit score, so what
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Speaker 1: was it? And they're like, oh, no, we're not going
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Speaker 1: to tell you. Like CNN asked for the you know,
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Speaker 1: paperwork or anything that would show what justifies this disparity
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Speaker 1: in loan approvals and they just won't do it. And
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Speaker 1: like that's a conspiracy, Like that's that's a government agency
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Speaker 1: actively working to nefarious ends and saying they're doing something otherwise.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it all plays into each other. It's such
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Speaker 3: a complicated thing to explain because like the average person,
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Speaker 3: your most expensive expense each month is living rather that's rent,
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Speaker 3: or rather that's mortgage. Like if a parent died or
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Speaker 3: something that left you a house, even if you don't
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Speaker 3: live in it, you go sell their house for three
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. That's life changing money. Yeah, you can
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Speaker 3: put it down payment or if you got a house,
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Speaker 3: you can pay off a house. And that just created
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Speaker 3: a new level of wealth for you. So now I'll
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Speaker 3: imagine instead of three hundred thousand, because you're black, that's
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Speaker 3: a one hundred and thirty thousand, which is nice, but
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Speaker 3: think about how much that affects just the black economy
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Speaker 3: over decades and stuff, over decades and decades.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is a thing that's been like it's
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Speaker 1: the history of this country.
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Speaker 3: There was the was it Tulsa Yep, the race riots.
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Speaker 1: Tulsa race riots. It's like sometimes it's as blatant as that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what point in history people think the
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Speaker 1: United States changed that much, Like, at what point have
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Speaker 1: we stopped suppressing the rights of non white people. It's
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Speaker 1: what we were built on. This country is built on
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Speaker 1: the back of two different genocides. We fucking teamed up
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Speaker 1: with the Nazis after World War Two. Like that's documented
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Speaker 1: Operation paper Clip. We've talked about that a ton on
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Speaker 1: this So like after World War Two, we're half Nazi
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Speaker 1: and we have this whole population of people who are
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Speaker 1: starting to like ask for equal rights, and we start
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Speaker 1: doing a bunch of Nazi shit to like wipe out
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Speaker 1: the entire progressive wing of the government that is also
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Speaker 1: pushing for those things. Like that's we know all that happened.
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Speaker 1: I don't know at what point people think that is
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Speaker 1: supposed to have stopped, because from there you go under
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Speaker 1: the war on drugs and private prisons and crack, which
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Speaker 1: are all things we also as a government kind of started,
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Speaker 1: so like why would I don't know why this would
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Speaker 1: surprise anyone, but I know it does. I know there's
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Speaker 1: people who read this and are like, can you believe
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Speaker 1: it right?
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Speaker 3: And go back to go back to Tusa. That's just
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Speaker 3: one of many race rights. I read a lot, so
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Speaker 3: a lot of these numbers get mixed up in my head.
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Speaker 3: They called it like the Red Summer. It was like
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Speaker 3: a twenty four month period where I forget how many
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Speaker 3: race riots happened in America, and Tulsa is the most famous.
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Speaker 3: And by most famous, I mean a lot of the merit. Well,
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Speaker 3: a lot of white Americans learned about it because of
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Speaker 3: the HBO show The Watchmen, like it was a it
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Speaker 3: was all over the like Google and stuff, like people
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Speaker 3: were googling Tsa race riot. They were like, oh, this
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Speaker 3: is just made up for the superhero show, right, And
16:49
Speaker 3: they were like, no, this is actually pretty much from
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Speaker 3: our history exactly how it happened.
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Speaker 1: And I wrote a Cracked article at one point about
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Speaker 1: communities we burned down like for no reason, and I
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Speaker 1: put the Tulsa race riot and Matt, and there were
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Speaker 1: people who were like, oh, I had never heard of this,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, fucking I'm the first person you heard
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Speaker 1: this from. That makes sense because I didn't hear about
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Speaker 1: it until I started researching this article. So yeah, like
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Speaker 1: we don't teach racism in schools, that's the problem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like it's even it's going to be even
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Speaker 3: more difficult. Like I just so happened to go to
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Speaker 3: a school where half of the teachers lived through the
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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven Detroit riots, so you know, they knew
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Speaker 3: the history and they would just like go off script.
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Speaker 3: But like the average person, a lot of black people
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Speaker 3: don't know this history. And like basically the Tulsa Riots
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Speaker 3: is when black people did exactly what conservatives say. They
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Speaker 3: pulled theirselfship by the bootstraps, made their own community. They
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Speaker 3: had black doctors, black entrepreneurs, deaily owners, all of that,
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Speaker 3: and the white residents were like, well, we can't be
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Speaker 3: having that, and they just burnt it off, burnt it down.
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Speaker 3: They used the huge excuse that they claimed some black
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Speaker 3: kid either whistled at or raped the white girl or something.
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Speaker 3: But like it's rumors, it's never been officially confirmed. But
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Speaker 3: like there always being rumors that the United States government
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Speaker 3: dropped a bomb on it or like pouring gasoline or something,
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Speaker 3: depending on what source, And like, why wouldn't they That's
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Speaker 3: just America, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it's a crazy story. And I think
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Speaker 1: it is that he like whistled or something. Yeah, people
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Speaker 1: should look into it. It's wild.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to this day, they can't even confirm how
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Speaker 3: many died. Like I tweeted when the show came out,
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Speaker 3: I was like, the most unbelievable plot on this show
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Speaker 3: about superheroes and the dude who can travel through time
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Speaker 3: is the United States government giving black people reparations Like
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Speaker 3: that happened on the show. It's more that has happened
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Speaker 3: in real life. Like in the show, it's a plot
18:43
Speaker 3: they have this thing to test your DNA and if
18:46
Speaker 3: you were like a second or third generation ancestor of
18:49
Speaker 3: the race riot, you received basically reparations. And I'm like, yeah,
18:53
Speaker 3: that's way more And to me, that's more more unbelievable
18:57
Speaker 3: than some aliens showing up, because yeah, that's.
19:00
Speaker 1: It's a really romanticized vision of the US government. Like
19:04
Speaker 1: I don't deny that there's people in the US government
19:07
Speaker 1: who want that, But I just don't think it's what
19:10
Speaker 1: the US government as a whole wants. Like the aims
19:14
Speaker 1: of this government are way more unified than people make
19:18
Speaker 1: them out to be. Like we both the two sides
19:21
Speaker 1: fight over the petty shit, but when it comes to
19:24
Speaker 1: stuff like you know, incarceration laws, criminal justice, immigration, this
19:30
Speaker 1: government is pretty much in lockstep no matter what administration
19:34
Speaker 1: is in place. Joe Biden is against all odds about
19:38
Speaker 1: to be the president who builds the wall, and it's
19:41
Speaker 1: because Republicans won't give more money to Ukraine if he doesn't,
19:45
Speaker 1: so he's like, fuck it, I'm a right winger when
19:48
Speaker 1: it comes to immigration. Now, That's why shit like this
19:52
Speaker 1: is so much in danger of never being fixed.
19:56
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, America is a capitalist country,
19:59
Speaker 3: and like if you were to break it all down,
20:02
Speaker 3: one of the basically corner songs of capitalism is it
20:05
Speaker 3: has to be like this lower working class to keep
20:08
Speaker 3: everybody else motivated, to say, if you don't take part
20:11
Speaker 3: in it, this could be you. And evidently America decided
20:14
Speaker 3: that has to be for the most smart black people,
20:17
Speaker 3: you know, because like if we do you know about
20:19
Speaker 3: the gi build thing.
20:20
Speaker 1: Now, tell me about it.
20:22
Speaker 3: Basically, I want to say, was it after World War Two?
20:25
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was after World War two. Basically
20:27
Speaker 3: when the GI bill came out, it was for veterans
20:31
Speaker 3: but not black people. And that's basically it. They're like, wait,
20:35
Speaker 3: so you're telling me we helped defeat the Nazis, but
20:37
Speaker 3: the GI bill can't help us. And the GI Bill
20:40
Speaker 3: is how so many generations built basic wealth. They were
20:43
Speaker 3: able to get home blowns, get a decent amount to
20:46
Speaker 3: put down and back then in the forties, if you
20:49
Speaker 3: got a house. That's how so many families were able
20:52
Speaker 3: to have a house, two cars, a wife that doesn't work,
20:55
Speaker 3: then two kids you got. That's a huge leg up. Yeah,
20:59
Speaker 3: And in one of the books I read, I want
21:01
Speaker 3: to say, it's one of the books I read, or
21:03
Speaker 3: either a documentary like or either it was either impossible.
21:07
Speaker 3: They even made it a law that black people couldn't
21:08
Speaker 3: get the gipl or you had to jump through like
21:10
Speaker 3: a thousand steps, and like there are stories about postcarriers
21:14
Speaker 3: they were like tear up the mail that included anything
21:17
Speaker 3: like that for black residents, so they wouldn't even get
21:19
Speaker 3: the mail about things like that, Like you cannot tell me, Like,
21:23
Speaker 3: even if it's not the government, it's been ingrained in
21:26
Speaker 3: America that for some reason, black people being equal means
21:30
Speaker 3: less for you, which is completely nuts.
21:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is an insane notion, but it does seem
21:38
Speaker 1: to be the thing that people lean on, like, well,
21:42
Speaker 1: what's going to be taken from me if this happens.
21:44
Speaker 1: But also, I don't even know if it's that complicated.
21:47
Speaker 1: I think some people are just fucking racist and just
21:51
Speaker 1: don't want to see black people do better or succeed.
21:56
Speaker 1: And I think those elements exist in the government. I
22:00
Speaker 1: think there is a sizable portion of this country's population
22:05
Speaker 1: that thinks that's what America is. Like. I think they
22:09
Speaker 1: see Native people black people as like a war that
22:13
Speaker 1: we've won, and this is just how war goes, Like
22:17
Speaker 1: we won, so we live a little bit better than
22:21
Speaker 1: you do. It's an insane fucking idea, and that's why
22:24
Speaker 1: no one ever says it out loud, But it feels
22:27
Speaker 1: like that's got to be part of it, because like
22:30
Speaker 1: the idea that well, we're living in a post racism world.
22:34
Speaker 1: You have to be either so willfully ignorant or just
22:39
Speaker 1: like lying because you want things to be the way
22:42
Speaker 1: they are, like I think some people are just fucking racist,
22:45
Speaker 1: Like I know it, I know that's the case.
22:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for years I just always thought that that
22:50
Speaker 3: was like some internet joke that I didn't get, like
22:52
Speaker 3: the oh yeah, Obama won, racism is over. But there
22:55
Speaker 3: were turns out there's really white people that believe that, Like,
22:58
Speaker 3: how about Amara could be racist? We elected a black president,
23:01
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? How could America be racist?
23:04
Speaker 1: And then half the country started burning effigies of our
23:07
Speaker 1: president And it's like, whoa, what a fucking coincidence? Now
23:10
Speaker 1: you all hate the government, right.
23:13
Speaker 3: They're like the most recent example is them voting out
23:15
Speaker 3: affirmative action. You let the average maybe liberal too. I
23:20
Speaker 3: don't know, like all these lines they just words to
23:23
Speaker 3: me because like people show their true colors when the
23:25
Speaker 3: shit hit the fan, Like you asked the average American
23:27
Speaker 3: you would think that affirmative action meant every black person
23:31
Speaker 3: gets in any college we want. If I want to
23:33
Speaker 3: go get an office job, I can we get some
23:36
Speaker 3: type of check. Like there's really people that believe all
23:39
Speaker 3: of that. So they voted it out and like one
23:42
Speaker 3: of the main dudes behind it was some Asian kid
23:44
Speaker 3: wasn't he like from Canada or something. I think, so
23:47
Speaker 3: you look into the story, he wasn't even from America. Like,
23:50
Speaker 3: we're not the reason y'all kids not getting in the Harvard. Yeah,
23:53
Speaker 3: the reason they not getting in the Harvard is like
23:55
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the people in there are like kids
23:58
Speaker 3: of Harvard graduates.
23:59
Speaker 1: Yeah's That's a thing I always bring up when people
24:03
Speaker 1: are like, oh, we just need all these old rich
24:06
Speaker 1: white racists to die off and then things will be better.
24:09
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sorry, but they have kids. They have
24:12
Speaker 1: kids who are like, oh, this is how dad got rich. Well,
24:15
Speaker 1: I guess I'm joining the family business. Like they're not
24:18
Speaker 1: going away like.
24:19
Speaker 3: And it's like that. It's like the media West racism
24:22
Speaker 3: compared to Southern racism, Like I tell like, people don't
24:25
Speaker 3: really people be talking about the solf, Like, bro, I'm
24:27
Speaker 3: from Michigan. You do have no idea that racist and
24:30
Speaker 3: our hero is just casual. They just say things like oh, yeah, yeah,
24:34
Speaker 3: you guys didn't have to pay for college at you
24:36
Speaker 3: or you got this or that, Like where are you
24:37
Speaker 3: getting this from? Yeah? Have you ever met a thirty
24:40
Speaker 3: year old? This is a shit ton of racist thirty
24:42
Speaker 3: year olds that are going to grow up to be
24:44
Speaker 3: old seventy year olds that inherit their family's company.
24:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that sucks.
24:50
Speaker 3: That's America, you know, it is.
24:52
Speaker 1: What have you heard the gangster rap, private prison conspiracy?
24:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've heard of it. I've I somewhat believe it.
25:01
Speaker 3: Like basically it goes at some point the labels and
25:05
Speaker 3: the prison industries they were afraid that groups like Public
25:10
Speaker 3: Enemy and the Tribe called Quests their message was, could
25:14
Speaker 3: lead to like that basically the next civil rights movement
25:16
Speaker 3: or something like that. Yeah, depending on how you word
25:19
Speaker 3: it now, it depends, because like I did a video
25:22
Speaker 3: kind of covering that, and a lot of the older
25:24
Speaker 3: dudes that were out they were saying Also the thing
25:27
Speaker 3: was that it's not just that they were like that
25:29
Speaker 3: stuff was getting corny to them at a while, basically
25:32
Speaker 3: because they were saying the music really wasn't reflecting what
25:35
Speaker 3: they were living through. So it could be something I
25:38
Speaker 3: could see record labels pushing that. But also we know
25:41
Speaker 3: in America, you know, if it bleeds, it leads, So
25:44
Speaker 3: anything provocative it's going to become popular anyway.
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the version of it I've always heard was
25:50
Speaker 1: that the labels eventually were like owned by the same
25:56
Speaker 1: parent company or had like the same investor group, and
26:00
Speaker 1: those investors also had money in private prisons, and they
26:03
Speaker 1: were like, so, what we're gonna do is push this
26:07
Speaker 1: music that promotes like selling crack, and that's gonna lead
26:11
Speaker 1: to a shit ton of arrests and we're going to
26:13
Speaker 1: fill up our private prisons that way. And they're like,
26:16
Speaker 1: both versions of that are unprovable, Like it's it literally
26:21
Speaker 1: comes from I think one internet post, like one guy
26:25
Speaker 1: posted was like you're not gonna believe what happened, and
26:28
Speaker 1: he's there's never been any proof of it, but I
26:32
Speaker 1: don't know, it wouldn't surprise me, Like we're a really
26:35
Speaker 1: crafty government. Like that's one of my least favorite comebacks
26:40
Speaker 1: when you bring up a conspiracy theory is when people
26:42
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, but this government they're so dumb, they
26:45
Speaker 1: don't they don't get anything done. They're stupid, and it's like, man,
26:49
Speaker 1: we have been holding down like more than half the
26:53
Speaker 1: population for a long long time and looking like the
26:57
Speaker 1: good guys the whole time. Like that takes more in luck,
27:00
Speaker 1: that takes effort, that takes propaganda, that takes a lot
27:05
Speaker 1: of moving parts that people just don't want to believe
27:09
Speaker 1: are there.
27:10
Speaker 3: I think yeah, and all of this, like just introducing
27:13
Speaker 3: crack would have worked anyway, even if they didn't do
27:15
Speaker 3: anything to the music once. If you, I tell you,
27:18
Speaker 3: it's the reason why prisons don't work. Going to prison
27:21
Speaker 3: is not big enough to turn to somebody who doesn't
27:24
Speaker 3: know where their next meal is going to come from.
27:25
Speaker 3: And all you do is introduce crack. Next thing, you know,
27:29
Speaker 3: these dudies are like, wait, that's all I gotta do,
27:31
Speaker 3: and I can get a car in a house. Yeah,
27:33
Speaker 3: and it trickles down and I thought, according to Google,
27:37
Speaker 3: this is still unconfirmed. I just thought we like all
27:39
Speaker 3: accepted that the US government did that. But it's still
27:42
Speaker 3: people that are like, oh no, we don't know if
27:44
Speaker 3: the government did that. So you think all these black
27:46
Speaker 3: folks just all of a sudden got planes. It brought
27:48
Speaker 3: over the tons and tons of powder, Like, what are
27:51
Speaker 3: you talking about?
27:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's really unfortunate that the guy who basically
27:57
Speaker 1: broke that story, Gary Webb, he's dead now. He killed himself, right,
28:02
Speaker 1: But it's really unfortunate that history has kind of painted
28:06
Speaker 1: that as well. The New York Times in the LA
28:09
Speaker 1: Times discredited that story or they debunked it, and they didn't.
28:14
Speaker 1: All they did was criticize a couple of his reporting
28:19
Speaker 1: methods and like in one case, they were like, okay,
28:22
Speaker 1: well here he says it was a lot of crack.
28:25
Speaker 1: It was just some and it's like, motherfucker talk about
28:28
Speaker 1: the claims, like they just nitpicked the details of how
28:33
Speaker 1: he told the story, and history has painted that as
28:37
Speaker 1: they debunked that story, they absolutely did not, Like the
28:42
Speaker 1: CIA was clearly involved in getting crack into this country,
28:47
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of naive to assume it
28:50
Speaker 1: was just the CIA. There's the story. I think it
28:53
Speaker 1: was Detroit where the white boy Rick shit happened. The
28:59
Speaker 1: FBI was giving him crack, like they were encouraging him
29:03
Speaker 1: to go out and sell crack, and then eventually they
29:06
Speaker 1: arrested him and he was like you told me to
29:08
Speaker 1: what the fuck do you mean you're arresting me? So, like,
29:11
Speaker 1: I mean, how much more blatant do people need it
29:13
Speaker 1: to be? Like that's law enforcement being like, hey go
29:17
Speaker 1: fuck this neighborhood up for a while, Like it's obvious.
29:20
Speaker 3: Right, and just when we talk about like propaganda, these
29:23
Speaker 3: are all stories that have been told like nineteen you
29:26
Speaker 3: see the nineteen eighty seven or nineteen eighty eight Robert
29:28
Speaker 3: Townsend's movie Hollywood Shuffle. It's partially a comedy, but what
29:33
Speaker 3: if you watch the movie, he's basically saying this, Yeah,
29:35
Speaker 3: in the eighties, if you want to be a black actor,
29:38
Speaker 3: only rose is a pimp, a drug dealer, or you know,
29:42
Speaker 3: some background character. Then you jumped to two thousand Spike
29:46
Speaker 3: Lee's movie Bamboozo, and he's saying, like, the only thing
29:50
Speaker 3: these studios want to make is Yeah, they'll let you
29:54
Speaker 3: do a cos we show every now and then, but
29:56
Speaker 3: what they really want is gangster movies and you know,
29:59
Speaker 3: us shooting each other. Yeah, and that's what they're going
30:03
Speaker 3: to push. And like I keep saying, this is all
30:05
Speaker 3: stuff that's if you're black, you've heard all of this.
30:08
Speaker 3: If you grew up in community with black folks, you've
30:10
Speaker 3: heard all of these stories. Like the most recent one,
30:13
Speaker 3: just the backtruck. When we talk about people that they
30:16
Speaker 3: just don't want others to have equal like the Obamacare.
30:20
Speaker 3: If you think back, people's main pushback of Obamacare was,
30:24
Speaker 3: oh well, what about people on welfare and the immigrants?
30:28
Speaker 3: They might use it like, how does that take from you?
30:31
Speaker 3: You don't have health insurance, but you worried about somebody
30:34
Speaker 3: over using it. What does that have to do with you? Yeah?
30:37
Speaker 1: And like even then, like cross that bridge when you
30:41
Speaker 1: get to it, like people will overuse Like if you
30:44
Speaker 1: just give people absolute free health care. I've worked in
30:48
Speaker 1: the healthcare industry, they'll overuse it a little bit. But
30:50
Speaker 1: who fucking cares? You still have health insurance.
30:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're not paying it care. Like the book
30:56
Speaker 3: I read, A Dying of Whiteness. It's a whole chapter
30:58
Speaker 3: he does. And also the interesting thing he wrote about
31:01
Speaker 3: this book, like you can throughout the book he starts
31:04
Speaker 3: to realize that Trump really has a chance. I want
31:07
Speaker 3: to say, the book might have come out in two
31:08
Speaker 3: thousand and sixteen ish or something like that, right around
31:11
Speaker 3: when people realize like, oh, yeah, America is racist enough
31:14
Speaker 3: to elect Trump. Oh before I forget, I always wanted
31:16
Speaker 3: to say, and you always say, like yeah, when Trump
31:19
Speaker 3: was running, people were calling you crazy when you were
31:22
Speaker 3: saying he had a chance to win. I know tons
31:24
Speaker 3: of black people that were like, oh, no, America is
31:26
Speaker 3: racist enough to elect this guy like that, Like a
31:29
Speaker 3: lot of us knew that America's reaction to a black
31:32
Speaker 3: president was going to be the most blatantly racist one.
31:35
Speaker 3: But anyway, in the book, so he does these two
31:37
Speaker 3: different group studies and just asking them regular questions. He
31:41
Speaker 3: starts asking them about their health and stuff, and then
31:43
Speaker 3: it's a group of white people from basically literally every
31:49
Speaker 3: way every class from the working poor to six figures
31:53
Speaker 3: age groups. And then he does the same thing with
31:55
Speaker 3: black people. So they pretty much all agree on things like, yeah,
31:58
Speaker 3: I need to eat better, I need to not eat
32:00
Speaker 3: as much McDonald's. But he said, well he noticed this
32:03
Speaker 3: once they got to the part about Obamacare. The white participants,
32:07
Speaker 3: they just literally had all of these crazy conspiracy theories,
32:11
Speaker 3: like I think I changed the title to one of
32:13
Speaker 3: my videos it's called Mexican Mexican pork Chops. Like they're like, oh, no,
32:18
Speaker 3: we can't, we can't have Obamacare because what happens is
32:21
Speaker 3: the Mexicans come over here and they don't they don't
32:24
Speaker 3: want to pick the vegetables, and the ain't know Americans
32:27
Speaker 3: going to do that job, and they get they get
32:29
Speaker 3: haughty and they want to eat pork chops and stuff.
32:31
Speaker 3: He's like, where's this stuff coming from? I swear to God,
32:34
Speaker 3: you have to read the book. It sounds like the
32:36
Speaker 3: most insane shit unless you read the book, but yeah,
32:39
Speaker 3: it just and then when he talks to the black group,
32:41
Speaker 3: they're like, I mean, yeah, well, if we got to
32:43
Speaker 3: give other people something so that I can have healthcare,
32:45
Speaker 3: that's fine. What the hell is it to me? And
32:48
Speaker 3: that's always been the attitude how we have to survive
32:50
Speaker 3: in this country, like yeah, we've been raised to accept that.
32:55
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna have to fine, we'll make this,
32:58
Speaker 3: We'll we'll give this up if it meant this. And
33:01
Speaker 3: the average Americans reaction is always like, oh, well, no,
33:04
Speaker 3: I'm not sharing this, Like dude, you're literally not even
33:06
Speaker 3: sharing it. They just want to give you a healthcare
33:09
Speaker 3: like it took. Most of the book takes place in Tennessee.
33:12
Speaker 3: Like if you look in at Tennessee, Tennessee is fucked
33:14
Speaker 3: up most of the it's like entire counties that don't
33:17
Speaker 3: have a doctor in it and stuff like that. It's
33:20
Speaker 3: because they fought against things like this, right, yeah, how
33:23
Speaker 3: racist do you have to be that you would rather
33:25
Speaker 3: have COPD and not be able to see a doctor
33:28
Speaker 3: just so that a black person or Mexican can't. And
33:31
Speaker 3: he was telling them like y'all knew, no, y'all concerns
33:34
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants can't even get retirement. They were saying like,
33:38
Speaker 3: oh yeah, and they drawing, oh no, they were saying that, yeah,
33:41
Speaker 3: these illegal immigrants, they come over here and they get welfare.
33:44
Speaker 3: He's like, they don't get welfare because they don't have
33:47
Speaker 3: Social Security cards. What are you talking about?
33:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think people would be I don't know,
33:52
Speaker 1: people who make arguments like that would probably be really
33:55
Speaker 1: surprised to know how many rich people are getting welfare
34:00
Speaker 1: benefits like that thing where people are like, well, rich
34:03
Speaker 1: people don't get rich by spending their money. That is
34:06
Speaker 1: truer than people think, Like there are I promise you,
34:10
Speaker 1: I guarantee there are lots and lots of Even if
34:15
Speaker 1: they're not rich, they're doing, you know, better than most
34:18
Speaker 1: people you would expect to be getting food stamps. But
34:22
Speaker 1: what rich people do is they move their money around
34:25
Speaker 1: so it seems like they don't have it, like they'll
34:28
Speaker 1: give it to their kids. Like that was the big
34:31
Speaker 1: New York Times Trump tax scandal that they broke, was
34:35
Speaker 1: his family over the years would like give their kids
34:40
Speaker 1: money under the guise of it being like gifts and things,
34:45
Speaker 1: and all they were doing was just moving their wealth
34:48
Speaker 1: out of their names so they didn't have to pay taxes.
34:51
Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact number, but like it's literally
34:54
Speaker 3: in the hundreds of billions. It might be trillions. They
34:58
Speaker 3: estimated how much will was taken from basically black Americans
35:02
Speaker 3: through the generations when you count everything from not being
35:06
Speaker 3: able to buy houses or our areas, our area code
35:09
Speaker 3: is being artificially suppressed, to when you look at something
35:13
Speaker 3: like the Crown Act, which is stupid to me because
35:15
Speaker 3: you can't take racist out of people, but basically the
35:18
Speaker 3: Crown Act is something they passed in like eight states
35:20
Speaker 3: that basically say you can't discriminate against black people because
35:23
Speaker 3: of their hair. Like there's literally bit of studies that
35:26
Speaker 3: said if you're black and you have and you go
35:28
Speaker 3: to a job interview with natural hair, or if you're
35:32
Speaker 3: a woman and you have braids for something, it's a
35:34
Speaker 3: higher chance that you don't get the job. All of
35:36
Speaker 3: that stuff plays into how much money we make, or
35:40
Speaker 3: the studies to show that if you have a black
35:42
Speaker 3: sound and name, it's a higher chance that you won't
35:44
Speaker 3: get a call back on your resume.
35:46
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that stuff is all documented. It's not
35:49
Speaker 1: like just rumors, Like those are things people have looked into,
35:53
Speaker 1: people have run studies, done reports, like it's all real,
35:57
Speaker 1: and it's just so frustrating how many people, I think,
36:01
Speaker 1: even people on the left, don't want to believe things
36:04
Speaker 1: are as bad in that regard as they really are.
36:08
Speaker 1: Like we want to believe we've made a significant amount
36:11
Speaker 1: of progress in terms of civil rights and yeah, yeah,
36:15
Speaker 1: like some, but I mean, you gotta admit it's not enough,
36:20
Speaker 1: like things are still really fucking bad. And then like
36:24
Speaker 1: the left is great at losing sight of things like this,
36:29
Speaker 1: Like we tend to have like one issue at a
36:31
Speaker 1: time that we really care about. Like when Trump came
36:35
Speaker 1: into office, my concern was like especially his take on immigration,
36:40
Speaker 1: because that's a thing that can transcend race, Like you
36:44
Speaker 1: can get black people into being against immigration also really
36:49
Speaker 1: fucking easy, and for good reason, Like there is something
36:52
Speaker 1: to be said for Okay, well you're making sure they're
36:54
Speaker 1: getting jobs, but not here, Like that's that's one of
36:57
Speaker 1: the arguments I brought up about Trump was one of
37:01
Speaker 1: his programs early on, Like I do feel like Trump
37:05
Speaker 1: wanted to go for the black vote immediately. If you
37:09
Speaker 1: read his first campaign platforms, one of the things he
37:13
Speaker 1: suggested or recommended, which I know people bring up crazy
37:17
Speaker 1: shit when they're campaigning all the time, but one of
37:19
Speaker 1: his things was a refugee program for American kids, And
37:24
Speaker 1: it was basically the idea was, well, you have kids
37:28
Speaker 1: living in places like Chicago, Baltimore, Washington, d C. Where
37:32
Speaker 1: there's just a shit ton of gun violence and sometimes
37:37
Speaker 1: like maybe only an older sibling is the only like
37:40
Speaker 1: parental figure left. Like these were all Trump arguments, and
37:44
Speaker 1: his thing was, well, what you do is you take
37:47
Speaker 1: those kids out of those communities and move them to
37:51
Speaker 1: like safer places like Middle America. I guess I don't
37:55
Speaker 1: know if that was going to involve like foster families
37:59
Speaker 1: or fuck can group homes or what, but that was
38:03
Speaker 1: a recommend that, like, that was a platform of his,
38:06
Speaker 1: and I could picture people being like, well, yeah, that's
38:10
Speaker 1: what people on the left want for immigrants. Like the
38:14
Speaker 1: argument on the left is, Okay, well you're living in
38:18
Speaker 1: Central America. It's a fucking war torn nightmare. Of course
38:22
Speaker 1: you should be able to come here. And I feel
38:25
Speaker 1: like if he went with that policy, that was going
38:27
Speaker 1: to be the pushback. People on the left would be like, no,
38:30
Speaker 1: that's stupid, we don't need that because this is the
38:33
Speaker 1: United States and it's fine. And then a lot of
38:36
Speaker 1: voters could have been like, okay, so you want it
38:38
Speaker 1: for immigrants, but not for people in these communities. And
38:41
Speaker 1: I'm glad that didn't happen because that program sounds like
38:45
Speaker 1: it could end in disaster.
38:47
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, just moving somebody from a whole from an
38:51
Speaker 3: entire community, breaking up communities. You know, community is more
38:55
Speaker 3: than just where you live. Is the culture to you know, Yeah,
38:59
Speaker 3: that's something you can't replace.
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40:22
Speaker 3: But also back to the immigrant thing. Like I said,
40:24
Speaker 3: America one of its greatest things outside of capitalism is
40:28
Speaker 3: keeping people divided, so like when you think back to
40:31
Speaker 3: the Rodney King riots. But also I think it was
40:33
Speaker 3: like in La when the Korean lady shot the little
40:36
Speaker 3: girl she thought was stealing. Yeah, but what was building
40:39
Speaker 3: up is because I guess it's not a thing out here,
40:42
Speaker 3: but apparently in La it is. But like you have
40:44
Speaker 3: a lot of shop owners liquor stores like out here
40:47
Speaker 3: they all own the beauty supply stores. They're like Korean owned.
40:50
Speaker 3: And black people were like, how are other groups able
40:53
Speaker 3: to come to this country and they get whatever type
40:55
Speaker 3: of assistance you know they get, But when we try it,
40:58
Speaker 3: we either or deny or we have a TASA situation.
41:03
Speaker 3: So things like that when you have other groups, it's
41:06
Speaker 3: all a part of America's plan and things like that
41:08
Speaker 3: don't sound like a conspiracy until you think about it,
41:11
Speaker 3: Like what other reason would it be? Like where I
41:15
Speaker 3: live in Detroit for people that never heard of Dearborn,
41:18
Speaker 3: like Deerborn is like ten minutes from Detroit. Dearborn has
41:21
Speaker 3: the largest Middle Eastern population in America, but beyond that,
41:26
Speaker 3: they have their entire own community. Like if you drive
41:30
Speaker 3: through it, it's like being in the modern part of
41:33
Speaker 3: the Middle East. They have their own lawyers, doctors, delis, mechanics,
41:38
Speaker 3: and not only that, they have signs and Arabic so
41:41
Speaker 3: it's like you have your own community if you come
41:44
Speaker 3: over there. So the people don't A lot of people
41:46
Speaker 3: don't understand why a lot of black people have anger
41:49
Speaker 3: towards stuff like that. They're like, we literally did what
41:51
Speaker 3: y'all told us to do, and they burnt our shit down.
41:54
Speaker 3: But how is it that in every major city you
41:57
Speaker 3: have a Chinatown and Dearborn, you have an entire culture
42:01
Speaker 3: that can support themselves. We call a Mexican town, like
42:04
Speaker 3: in Detroit in the southwest part they have their own area.
42:07
Speaker 3: They self sufficient, you can either bilingual or only speak Spanish.
42:11
Speaker 3: And then they look at and then other groups look
42:13
Speaker 3: at black people like, see everybody else did it We
42:15
Speaker 3: like we tried burn it down every time.
42:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's treated a lot different when that part of
42:22
Speaker 1: town is just black people, Like.
42:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, okay, we need we need this under
42:27
Speaker 3: surveillance or every crime is over reported or something like that.
42:33
Speaker 1: I guarantee you dearborn is under surveillance too, Like.
42:37
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well yeah, dearborn. Yeah, definitely, especially after nine
42:40
Speaker 3: to eleven. But I mean just in general, like it's
42:42
Speaker 3: just weird that you know that every other area, like
42:45
Speaker 3: I'm sure the Chinatown in LA or whatever, maybe I'm
42:48
Speaker 3: not sure what they call it, they have their own thing.
42:51
Speaker 3: Like if you were to just come from one of
42:52
Speaker 3: those communities, you can feel at home, you can speak
42:55
Speaker 3: your native language, you can find authentic dishes. Yeah, black people,
43:00
Speaker 3: we don't, you know, we don't have any of that. Yeah,
43:03
Speaker 3: I mean I had another one I was about to.
43:05
Speaker 1: And I do feel like even in cases where there
43:08
Speaker 1: is that, like we don't label it that people are like, oh, well,
43:13
Speaker 1: there's the ghetto and it's like right, no, that's just
43:16
Speaker 1: like that's just the community where black people live. Like
43:19
Speaker 1: especially in LA. We got Korea Town, we got Filipino Town,
43:22
Speaker 1: we got Chinatown, and then we have South LA and
43:25
Speaker 1: it's like, well, that's that's where all the crime is.
43:28
Speaker 1: And it's like, eh, you've been to Korea Town. There's
43:29
Speaker 1: crime there too. There's crime everywhere in LA. It's just
43:32
Speaker 1: we give it a different name when it's like it's
43:35
Speaker 1: just Englewood if it's black people, which that's weird and
43:39
Speaker 1: probably very intentional, right, or like.
43:42
Speaker 3: It's it's so much little such that people have never
43:44
Speaker 3: heard of, like outside of a toast that we had
43:47
Speaker 3: back in the days in Detroit, we had something called
43:49
Speaker 3: Black Wall Street and it was a small area. I
43:52
Speaker 3: want to say it was on the west side of Detroit.
43:54
Speaker 3: I forget what area, but like they had their own communities,
43:57
Speaker 3: black tailor's, shoe shop, own owners, if you wanted to
44:01
Speaker 3: pretty much anything you wanted to do. And it created
44:03
Speaker 3: a lot of wealth. And the US government literally came
44:06
Speaker 3: through tore it down and built a freeway. And you
44:09
Speaker 3: know those people weren't properly compensated.
44:12
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, that happened like there's stories like that
44:16
Speaker 1: in LA.
44:16
Speaker 3: There's pretty much every major city. Oh, if you trace
44:19
Speaker 3: it back, all of those areas where they built freeways
44:22
Speaker 3: over were all black owned areas.
44:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one story here in LA that I
44:28
Speaker 1: guess has somewhat of a happy ending. But there was
44:31
Speaker 1: this family way back in the day that had like
44:35
Speaker 1: beach front property.
44:36
Speaker 3: In Miami Beach. I know it wasn't I wasn't in Miami,
44:40
Speaker 3: but I think I heard.
44:41
Speaker 1: It is it might have been. Yeah, and this family,
44:44
Speaker 1: like the government just took their land because they were
44:47
Speaker 1: like black people living there, no thank you, and like
44:51
Speaker 1: the city just took it and kept it until like
44:54
Speaker 1: last year, like they finally gave it back to the family,
44:58
Speaker 1: and that's cool, Like the f the family is like
45:01
Speaker 1: leasing it back to the city, which that's great. I
45:04
Speaker 1: love that they are generating revenue from it. But it
45:08
Speaker 1: also would have been really funny if they were like,
45:10
Speaker 1: we're putting a house there. They're all their shit down
45:14
Speaker 1: because it's like a park now. It would have been
45:16
Speaker 1: the funniest shit if they were like, yeah, it's a
45:18
Speaker 1: park now, it's a private park, fuck you.
45:20
Speaker 3: And to just get that back, that's like a one
45:22
Speaker 3: in ten thousand chance, think of how many stories like
45:24
Speaker 3: that that just straight up don't happen. Yeah, Like it's
45:28
Speaker 3: it's it's the Donald Glover's on This is America. It's like,
45:32
Speaker 3: stuff like this has been happening so long, and people
45:35
Speaker 3: that consider themselves liberals and progresses and stuff, and either
45:40
Speaker 3: half of these stories they don't know or they like, oh,
45:43
Speaker 3: that's just a conspiracy. Like no, there are literally books
45:46
Speaker 3: about this stuff. What are you talking about?
45:48
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Like the CIA crack thing, I think is
45:50
Speaker 1: a big one. Like I know so many people on
45:54
Speaker 1: the left who still are like, Okay, well that's crazy, and.
45:58
Speaker 4: It's like, no, it's not like it's that there's a
46:01
Speaker 4: fucking FX multi season FX TV series about the CIA
46:08
Speaker 4: selling crack in the United States, like and and not
46:11
Speaker 4: just crack.
46:12
Speaker 3: I forget what president was. I want to say, maybe Hoover,
46:15
Speaker 3: Like it's he's on record saying we knew we couldn't
46:18
Speaker 3: make it illegal to be black or be a hippie,
46:20
Speaker 3: so what we did is criminalize marijuana and we could
46:23
Speaker 3: lock up the people that smoked it. I forget what
46:26
Speaker 3: president that was.
46:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember, but I've also heard that quote
46:30
Speaker 1: and yeah, like people don't take that into account enough.
46:34
Speaker 1: I keep going back to Operation paper Clip throughout my
46:37
Speaker 1: life because I do think it's a startling fucking moment
46:40
Speaker 1: in American history where we were like, hey, let's all
46:43
Speaker 1: band together and fight the Nazis, but then also let's
46:45
Speaker 1: nuke Japan and bring the Nazis over here to help
46:48
Speaker 1: us run our government, like after slavery America clearly a
46:55
Speaker 1: very racist government, like a government built on racism, now
46:58
Speaker 1: has this entire population that they just have to deal with,
47:03
Speaker 1: they have to put up with, and every day people
47:05
Speaker 1: are fighting to give that population more laws. In along
47:08
Speaker 1: come the Nazis, who are like, look, we might have
47:11
Speaker 1: been a little heavy handed with the Jews in Germany,
47:14
Speaker 1: but you have a population you would like to wipe
47:16
Speaker 1: out over a course of years. Let's just team up
47:20
Speaker 1: and fucking do it together and try to deny that.
47:24
Speaker 1: Post World War two, like things in that way have
47:27
Speaker 1: gotten really aggressive, Like our prison population is out of
47:31
Speaker 1: fucking control, and like it all feels like Nazi shit,
47:36
Speaker 1: Like I think maybe we're the Nazis now.
47:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not only that over it took him a
47:42
Speaker 3: couple decades, but what America got really good at is
47:45
Speaker 3: they it's like the Nazis came in. They're like, all right,
47:47
Speaker 3: you guys got the racism down, but you gotta be
47:49
Speaker 3: more subtle about it. Yeah, so you know, yeah, we
47:52
Speaker 3: can get rid of Jim Crow laws, but you know
47:55
Speaker 3: we still got to make laws that Okay, just look
47:57
Speaker 3: at their hair. So look at that name. See what
47:59
Speaker 3: we did. We knew how to spot a jew name.
48:01
Speaker 3: So now this is how you spot a black name
48:03
Speaker 3: when they turn into resume, you know, with stuff like that,
48:05
Speaker 3: the little stuff like when you compare it to it's
48:08
Speaker 3: straight up Nazi shit, Like how do you how else
48:11
Speaker 3: do you, you know, distinguish someone that you've never seen.
48:15
Speaker 3: You can look at the last name, Okay, that's traditionally Jewish,
48:18
Speaker 3: look at this first name that's traditionally black, or look
48:21
Speaker 3: at the hair, or you know, like it's been proven
48:24
Speaker 3: that even if if you're black and you have dark skin,
48:27
Speaker 3: darker brown skin, you're more likely to get more time
48:30
Speaker 3: than a black person with lighter skin in prison. Like
48:33
Speaker 3: just little stuff like that. You can't say that it's
48:35
Speaker 3: not intentional, or if it's not intentional, it's just so
48:38
Speaker 3: ingrained in America that we would literally just have to
48:41
Speaker 3: like start over over from scratch just to make things.
48:45
Speaker 3: I don't even know what we would have to do.
48:47
Speaker 1: And I think that's why stuff like AI and algorithms
48:52
Speaker 1: are never going to fix the criminal justice system because
48:56
Speaker 1: AI learns from examples, It learns from what information it
49:01
Speaker 1: has available, and the only information available to AI systems
49:06
Speaker 1: right now is well, we incarcerate black people at a
49:09
Speaker 1: much higher rate than white people. Like, how do you
49:13
Speaker 1: unteach the AI fat when it's taking in all of
49:16
Speaker 1: this data, Like, you gotta fix what's broken at the
49:21
Speaker 1: core before you can trust the computer to like fix it.
49:24
Speaker 1: I think yeah.
49:26
Speaker 3: And the thing is that's where the money comes from.
49:29
Speaker 3: And just to go back to those small countries they
49:31
Speaker 3: have an invested interest to, Hey, our economy is a
49:34
Speaker 3: lot better when there isn't any homelessness. I forgot what
49:38
Speaker 3: country it is, but like it's one of them small countries,
49:40
Speaker 3: but they have like one that all they have is
49:43
Speaker 3: like one homeless shelter because they were like, well, it's
49:47
Speaker 3: easier for taxes for us to just house homeless people. Yeah,
49:51
Speaker 3: and you know, then we don't have to worry about
49:53
Speaker 3: all of this stuff that trickles down. But America was like, no,
49:56
Speaker 3: we're just gonna criminalize that shit.
49:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's what's so f about homelessness. Even
50:01
Speaker 1: in LA, Like the population of homeless people is so
50:05
Speaker 1: comparatively small when you take the population of LA in
50:09
Speaker 1: general into account, Like pre COVID it was only like
50:13
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty thousand, and it likes it almost doubled
50:17
Speaker 1: I think under COVID. But still that's not that many people.
50:21
Speaker 1: Like we should be able still to figure that shit out,
50:25
Speaker 1: and I think, like we did an episode not too
50:29
Speaker 1: long ago, we should do a full episode about it.
50:32
Speaker 1: It just came up as a story in an episode
50:35
Speaker 1: where we talked about a bunch of news. But there
50:38
Speaker 1: is a suggestion that in LA there exists a homeless
50:42
Speaker 1: industrial complex where yeah, there's people working to end homelessness,
50:48
Speaker 1: but it's because that's how they make their money, and
50:51
Speaker 1: so if they end homelessness, they're not going to make
50:54
Speaker 1: that money anymore. So really there's organizations out there that
50:58
Speaker 1: are taking in the money to address homelessness and then
51:02
Speaker 1: like intentionally keeping it going like on be low and
51:07
Speaker 1: like that's absolute, Like that's a that's a case where
51:11
Speaker 1: like the government doesn't even need to act like you
51:14
Speaker 1: just hire the wrong people for a city job and
51:17
Speaker 1: the rest will take care of itself. And that's what
51:20
Speaker 1: you see. Like one of the people in charge of
51:23
Speaker 1: addressing homelessness in LA used to work for a group
51:26
Speaker 1: that makes money off of homelessness in LA and she's
51:30
Speaker 1: like fired off contracts after contracts to that group. And
51:34
Speaker 1: it's just this ugly cycle where once people start making
51:37
Speaker 1: money at the expense of another group, people just fucking
51:41
Speaker 1: jump in and join in and it turns into like
51:45
Speaker 1: generations of racism and abuse and shit like this.
51:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, the books I mentioned, I'd definitely say check
51:52
Speaker 3: out if you are the audio versions. They own one
51:55
Speaker 3: of those free audio apps if you've got a library car.
51:57
Speaker 3: But Dying of Whiteness and White Flight both books that
52:01
Speaker 3: go way more into detail. And also I'm constantly covering
52:05
Speaker 3: things like this on my YouTube channel. But yeah, like
52:07
Speaker 3: I said, I mean, it is a conspiracy, but it's
52:09
Speaker 3: like it's another two Americas thing. It's a conspiracy to
52:13
Speaker 3: one side of America. On the other side is like, yeah,
52:15
Speaker 3: we've been hearing all of this and it takes a
52:18
Speaker 3: news It takes a news report for y'all to believe us.
52:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, institutional racism is very fucking real. Like I,
52:26
Speaker 1: people need to fucking grasp that on all sides. But uh,
52:30
Speaker 1: do we have any final thoughts? You plugged the books?
52:34
Speaker 3: Uh no, I figured this is too. I was thinking,
52:38
Speaker 3: what's the most realistic I think I've heard of most
52:39
Speaker 3: of these episodes. It's either this one or that John
52:42
Speaker 3: Lennon was replaced by your clone or some shit like
52:44
Speaker 3: that theory. What the one old girl? Her theory is
52:49
Speaker 3: that John Lennon Paul McCartney, Jim.
52:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Paul McCartney theory. That's a very famous theory.
52:56
Speaker 1: It's nonsense, but it's not.
52:58
Speaker 3: I was laughing so hard on that one because she
53:02
Speaker 3: was so surprised that you knew, like the basic facts
53:05
Speaker 3: of it. I literally had tears of my eyes. She's like, Oh,
53:10
Speaker 3: I just expecting you to believe like that is that
53:14
Speaker 3: you're ridicting? You know how impossible it is to impersonate
53:17
Speaker 3: a person that.
53:18
Speaker 1: Would it would be really hard to replace Paul McCartney
53:22
Speaker 1: in that way? Yeah, it would be very difficult.
53:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. So it's either this one or that one,
53:28
Speaker 3: for which are the more likely. I think minds might
53:30
Speaker 3: be a little bit more believable as far as far
53:32
Speaker 3: on as the conspiracy spectrum.
53:35
Speaker 1: Potentially, I think so.
53:37
Speaker 3: But outside of that, just check out my YouTube channel
53:40
Speaker 3: and if you all like it, I got a Patreon
53:42
Speaker 3: if you want early access. That's pretty much all I
53:44
Speaker 3: plug is my YouTube channel. Hoping to hit I have
53:48
Speaker 3: by the time y'all hear this year probably be over
53:50
Speaker 3: past fifteen thousand, so so I'm hoping to hit fifty
53:53
Speaker 3: by the end of next year.
53:54
Speaker 1: Nice, what is the what's your YouTube handle?
53:58
Speaker 3: The same thing is here. Lewis just made it easy
54:01
Speaker 3: to search. If you searched it, it to come up.
54:03
Speaker 3: And John J. W Win Lewis like Louis Vaton cuz
54:07
Speaker 3: and I guess kind of tie it back in here.
54:09
Speaker 3: The real John Lewis is like one of the most
54:11
Speaker 3: famous civil rights activists of all time. Yeah, if you
54:14
Speaker 3: search him, my name never would have come up.
54:18
Speaker 1: So I don't think I have anything to plug. Adam
54:20
Speaker 1: tip Brown dot substack dot com, go read my writings.
54:24
Speaker 1: I'll have more articles up by then. This comes out
54:27
Speaker 1: first week. This is our first episode of the new year.
54:30
Speaker 3: Oh man, And I guess white people listening if you
54:32
Speaker 3: want to do a good favor. Maybe be a stand
54:35
Speaker 3: in for a black home appraiser. You can't bout a
54:38
Speaker 3: black family gain some generation of wealth. Clearly that works.
54:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get that uber app going black family needs
54:45
Speaker 1: a home Appraisalill just fucking pull up the app that
54:48
Speaker 1: white family shows up to sit in the living room
54:50
Speaker 1: and watch friends.
54:52
Speaker 3: Oh man, that would be hilarious. I could see somebody
54:54
Speaker 3: doing the whole skit about that, Like, that'd be hilarious
54:57
Speaker 3: if somebody actually started that just white. I don't know.
55:00
Speaker 3: We got to think of a catchy name for it,
55:03
Speaker 3: white flight or something like that. Get the white people
55:05
Speaker 3: to sit in for your black family.
55:07
Speaker 1: The white flight would be the right name for it.
55:10
Speaker 1: Like that. All right, well, John, thank you so much.
55:13
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Let's get out of here. Say goodbye
55:18
Speaker 1: to the people.
55:18
Speaker 3: See you all next time. We'll hear you all next time.
55:21
Speaker 1: I guess, goodbye everybody. We love you.
55:28
Speaker 4: People.
55:30
Speaker 3: Kind of destroying