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The Cryptid Prophecies: Pop Culture's Legendary Creatures · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hello and welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm Olivia.
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  - And I'm Shauna.
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  - And it's Fall Now.
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  It is our second favorite F word,
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  and that means we are finally in spooky season.
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  So we are planning our show atopics accordingly.
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  And I wanted to talk today about one of my favorite
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  spooky little characters.
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  All things creepy, just plain weird.
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  Nothing could be weirder than what we like to call cryptids.
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  So we're here today to bring you the spooky scary,
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  sometimes silly vibes of cryptids.
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  And if you don't necessarily know what a cryptid is,
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  a cryptid is really just a pseudo science
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  infocal or animal that no one can really prove exists.
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  - Or does it exist?
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  - Yeah, exactly.
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  If you can't prove that it doesn't exist, does it?
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  - God.
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  - It's got a cryptid, God.
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  - By those meanings.
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  - We're just becoming offensive immediately.
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  - Is Jesus a cryptid?
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  - But if you ask someone who studies cryptids,
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  crypto zoology is the study of creatures whose existence
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  is disputed or unproven.
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  - That's an actual study.
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  That's like a thing you can study.
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  - Sort of.
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  - Not necessarily like accepted by the scientific community,
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  but they put zoology on the end of that thing.
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  - If you put zoology on the end of anything,
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  then it's gonna be okay.
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  - Listen, we're playing fast and loose with science
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  now these days.
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  (laughing)
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  I think we could count it.
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  - Yeah, so we wanted to talk a little bit about
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  the creepy spooky, sometimes funny characters
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  that we see existing within it.
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  And the reason that I really wanted to talk about this
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  is I am actually about to take a trip into
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  a part of the United States that actually has
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  quite a bit of spooky scary characters.
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  And that is the Apple Action Mountains.
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  - First time.
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  - I feel like I don't know anything about the United States.
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  I'm like, by New York, you did go to an Arizona school.
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  So that shows out.
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  - Go sun devil.
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  (laughing)
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  - No, not even that, just the Arizona public school.
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  - It does show.
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  - Also that.
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  - But the Apple Action Mountain Trail is the,
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  it's actually where the Hunger Games is set
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  in the fake world, but it is the mountains on the East Coast.
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  So it goes all the way up from Georgia to New York.
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  But I'm going to Upstate New York.
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  And one of the scariest characters that I've ever heard of
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  that are technically encrypted, kind of a witch thing,
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  are skin walkers.
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  And I feel like skin walkers have really kind of
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  had their moment recently, but I really just wanted
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  to kind of dive into our favorite folklore monsters.
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  - Yeah, I'm excited for this.
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  You know more about it than I do.
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  So you've already been teaching me things.
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  Like where are the Apple Action Mountains?
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  I'm like cryptosuology.
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  - Yeah, there we go.
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  - There we go.
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  - I'm the more you know.
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  - So who needs public schools?
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  (laughing)
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  - So cryptids are really the perfect blend
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  of folklore and modern media.
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  So for example, one of the most famous ones
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  is the Loch Ness Monster with century old origins.
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  But they're also in memes and tourist ads.
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  - Chupacabra started in the 1990s in Puerto Rico,
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  but is also in South Park.
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  So there's definitely a lot of cross over with pop culture.
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  And in a lot of horror movies.
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  I know there's a Mothman horror movie too, I believe, right?
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  - Yeah.
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  Well, there's that movie with Richard Geer as well.
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  - Yes.
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  - And what's her name, the redhead from
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  Will and Grace?
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  - Debra Messing.
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  - Yeah, Debra Messing.
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  Yeah, the Mothman prophecies.
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  Weird movie.
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  - Yeah. - Real strange movie.
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  - Is it actually about the Mothman?
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  - Yeah.
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  Yeah, there you go.
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  Yeah, I would say, you know, if you want a weird time,
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  like I watched it, actually kind of really hung over.
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  And it was, it was a weird movie to go into.
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  I don't know if I'd say watch it under those conditions,
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  but we have seen cryptids throughout a lot
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  of popular stories.
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  Like you mentioned, we have Nessie,
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  which has been such a popular folk tale or legend.
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  All over the world, really we've seen
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  these different characters pop up.
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  And of course, anytime there is folklore,
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  like we talked about with our romanticy,
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  it really becomes this like retelling.
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  And how do we re-look at it?
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  I think most people in America would say
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  that their first hearing of a cryptid
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  was ultimately like Bigfoot.
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  So Shana, when do you think you first heard of Bigfoot?
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  - Oh God.
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  I don't know, I guess I must have been a little kid.
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  I've never believed in Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster.
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  It's one of those things you just always know
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  that they're probably not real,
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  but it could be.
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  It could be.
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  I think Bigfoot is probably the most well known,
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  I think cryptid just people like saying
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  that they're spotting him and he pops up in TV ads
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  and in AI YouTube videos and like different brands
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  of clothes and stuff.
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  But I'm gonna say probably when I was a little kid,
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  what about you?
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  - Okay.
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  I think yeah, I wanna say it was probably like
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  an e-bombs world kind of thing.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Where people would talk about it or like driving through
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  the United States, there'd be like these weird like Bigfoot
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  Bigfoot crossing, like always those tiny little stores.
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  - Yeah.
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  Yeah, I don't know.
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  I mean, I think that do I think that like Bigfoot existed
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  a maybe not, but do I think that there was something
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  at some point that like was like a Bigfoot
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  or like a Loch Ness monster?
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  Maybe.
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  The Loch Ness monster seems a little more likely
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  like dinosaur reptilian, but yeah, I mean,
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  they both could have existed, but it's not like they're,
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  if they've existed since, but like the 1800s,
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  they're probably dead by now unless there's like
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  a little family of Bigfoot.
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  - I mean, think about a freaking alligator man,
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  those things don't die.
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  - That's true, it could be the same Loch Ness monster.
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  - Yeah, those things just like the Scottish alligator.
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  - Is a jackalope a cryptid?
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  Is that's probably the first like living in Arizona.
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  There's this urban legend that there's this creature
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  called a jackalope, which is a mix between like a jack rabbit
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  and an antelope, so it's essentially just a jack rabbit
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  with antlers.
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  But it's like growing up in Arizona, everybody's like,
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  ooh, the jackalope.
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  - Okay, a jackalope is a mythical American creature
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  which is best described as a tall tail and not a true cryptid.
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  And yeah, it's basically a legend that started in the 1930s
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  because a taxidermist brother Duwo created them
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  by attaching deer antlers to a jackrabbit carcass.
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  - Yes, I love that like, it's just a taxidermy.
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  Like the re-recreation.
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  - They started it like a hundred years ago,
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  but if you go to like random gas station,
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  like give shops in Arizona, you can buy a stuffed jackalope.
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  (laughing)
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  - That is so funny.
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  Like that it's just, now I think of like all those weird
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  like little rat like taxidermies that are doing like weird things.
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  - It's like, it's like, you're gonna be like, is that encrypted?
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  - It were like little mouse doing house chores.
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  Like the little thing, like--
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  - He's got like a little hat and cane.
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  - Yes, it's weird.
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  We're unpacking exactly where these cryptid stories are coming from.
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  And I think that they used to really travel through
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  almost like ghost stories around a campfire,
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  but with the internet and popular media
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  really bringing these into the zeitgeist
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  and popular culture.
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  We talked a little bit about the Moth Band prophecy.
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  We sell a lot of different cryptids
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  within our childhood cartoons, like a Scooby Doo.
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  - Oh yeah. - We also had the Loch Ness Monster
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  in Assassin's Creed.
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  We had the Moth Man in Fallout 76.
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  We also had the Loch Ness Monster in Twilight, Nessie.
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  (laughing)
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  - Ronesme.
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  - You didn't much daughter after the Loch Ness Monster.
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  - It's my favorite version of Nessie right there.
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  That one was the most scary looking too.
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  - But ultimately it has evolved past just movies and TV, right?
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  So we actually see the internet has fully embraced.
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  One we know and have talked about a little bit here.
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  We have the Moth Man who is basically Tumblr's cryptid boyfriend.
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  Did you ever see these back in the Tumblr days?
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  - Oh yeah, like he's kind of doable.
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  - Yeah.
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  - He's really a sexy Moth Man.
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  - Yeah, sexy Moth Man.
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  Look at Tumblr, fan art.
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  You will not be disappointed.
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  But you can, like he's reimagined as the shy, awkward
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  and dateable character, which is so funny.
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  - He's shy guy.
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  He's got glowing eyeballs.
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  - He just took a real boy.
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  - And ultimately it's perfect meme material, right?
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  And so we've seen a lot of these as we get AI better
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  as well.
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  We've started to see these popups.
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  I guess before even AI, like Photoshop,
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  do you remember the Fresno Nightcrawlers?
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  - No, what's that?
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  - They were, they were basically just a weird walking
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  pair of pants.
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  Founded in Fresno.
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  Oh my God, it's like the SpongeBob episode
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  where his pants get up and walk away.
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  - Yes, exactly.
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  And so it becomes a little bit of tricking the mind
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  and they're online, they're weird and they're mysterious.
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  I almost feel like cryptids are the perfect character
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  for that eerie TikTok music where it's like a little bit,
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  like spooky and put any score over anything you're saying
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  and it just seems like it's actually the scariest thing
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  in the world.
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  - I think that cryptids kind of paved the way
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  for creepypasta too on the internet.
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  So kind of that a forechan, like monsters,
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  that people would make up like cylinder man
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  and then convince everybody that they're real.
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  I mean, essentially those are kind of modern day cryptids, right?
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  Like you can't prove that they're true,
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  but you can't prove that it's not true.
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  It's integrated its way into society somehow.
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  - Yeah, and I guess under the current definition
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  that we're operating under,
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  "Sunderman does not count."
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  But I do think that he really is kind of within that world
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  as well where you really do see that.
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  - Yeah, it's definitely cryptid adjacent
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  and it wouldn't surprise me if like a hundred years
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  from now people were like,
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  "Oh my God, do you think this slender man is real?"
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  And then he kind of becomes his own cryptid.
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  That video game is so scary.
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  So funny.
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  - Yeah, really?
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  - Right?
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  - Something eerie.
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  - Did something where you're really on edge
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  thinking about the existence of them.
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  - You mentioned AI too
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  and I think that's just gonna make it more prevalent.
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  Like there's already this stupid series
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  that my husband watches of like,
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  Bigfoot is in the forest and he's just messing with campers.
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  - Is he on Australian?
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  - I don't remember if he's Australian.
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  I seem to think that they're super like fringe.
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  So I tried and watched it.
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  - They're so dumb.
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  Yeah, it was in the laugh because one of my cut workers
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  was just showing me a video and it's like,
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  I think it's like a, like it's like an ape, not Bigfoot,
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  but he's Australian and he's doing like,
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  random Mr. Beast like videos.
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  - Yeah, that might be him.
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  - He's just like, you know.
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  - I'm gonna go visit this guy's campsite.
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  (laughs)
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  Like, yeah, it's all very right.
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  - Yes, I hate it.
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  - Yeah, and then next thing you know,
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  they're on the all right pipeline.
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  - I write, like, I was just what men see.
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  - So much of the internet,
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  it just gets you right to the all right pipeline man.
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  You're just like, oh, cool.
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  I'm fascist.
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  Sick.
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  I love it.
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  - Cool.
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  - So we're gonna talk about some of the zanious,
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  silliest little cryptids you ever did here of,
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  right after this break.
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  (dramatic music)
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  - So, Chana, I wanna quiz you
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  and I wanna continue this education
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  of lovely, silly, cryptid creatures.
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  - You guys, you're quizzing me.
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  - Try put my notes away.
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  - Okay.
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  - I'm ready.
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  - No, so first we're gonna start with a little education
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  on some of the weirdest cryptids we have ever owned.
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  - We really talked about the Fresno Knight Crawler.
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  So tall, white, pajama pant looking beings caught
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  on granny security cams.
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  Basically the fashion models of the cryptids.
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  We also have the hooels, which are a giant bat ape creature
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  that come from Indonesia and are said to scream,
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  oh, that's it, that's all they do.
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  - That's it, that's all they do.
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  - Yeah.
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  - The Mongolian death worm, who is a desert dwelling worm
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  said to spit acid and electricity,
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  like the metal band of cryptids.
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  That sounds like a Pokemon to me.
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  That's like a dirt electric type Pokemon.
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  - Well, maybe that's where they got it from.
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  (laughing)
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  - And then the brazno dragon, a Russian lake monster.
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  That's basically Nessie's cousin,
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  but with like a little more attitude.
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  - Yeah, a drink spot, yeah.
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  - Rather than a... - Love, you know.
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  - Guinness.
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  (laughing)
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  - We have the Hopkinsville goblins,
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  which are little alien slash gremlin looking creatures.
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  I like how they couldn't decide
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  when they were cryptozoologing.
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  - Yeah.
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  - That terrorized a Kentucky farmhouse in the 1950s.
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  - Just one house.
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  - This guy is one house.
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  - Is one famous for they, I guess,
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  - Yeah. - more than one, a little crew.
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  - Little gay. - Little alien gremlin creatures, you know?
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  (laughing)
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  - And then we have the lizard man,
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  an escape or swamp, which is South Carolina's
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  reptile humanoid blamed for attacking cars.
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  Just didn't like drivers.
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  That's a road rage.
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  - A lot of people do that when you're, you know,
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  like their team wins or loses like a sporting match
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  and they just go and like set cars on fire.
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  Maybe he's just a sports fan.
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  - Yeah, you know, whoever was in South Carolina.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I don't know enough about sports balls.
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  - No.
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  (laughing)
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  - The Carolina Panthers.
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  They're just in both the Carolina.
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  - There you go.
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  - He's a Panthers fan.
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  - Just one of the Carolinas.
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  - One of the Carolinas.
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  - No one comes for us.
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  The infield horror is a three-legged grayish beast
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  with red glowing eyes who has spotted an Illinois
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  in the 70s.
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  Might have just been a guy on acid as in the 70s.
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  - Three-legged.
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  - Maybe he was.
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  Maybe he was a piano.
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  - Oh, well and down.
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  (laughing)
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  - Yeah, that's a good one.
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  - It's a good one.
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  - The next four hands.
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  - The Beast of Bray Road, a Wisconsin werewolf dog man
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  cryptid, some times called America's Werewolf.
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  And then finally the owl man who is the British cousin
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  of Mothman, but he's a little less famous
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  in a little sulkier.
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  He lived in breast.
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  - He's a little more British.
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  - He's a little more British.
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  - I do think it's really interesting
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  when these myths popped up,
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  like where they are on different sides of the world.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  - Where you really go into how do these two different cultures
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  completely separated by oceans, inability to travel
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  to each other.
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  They both have these like folk whores or myths
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  or creatures that they're all seeing.
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  Like you have Bigfoot and the Yeti.
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  You have the Yeti.
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  - The Yeti. - The Howlman and the Mothman.
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  - Of course, as we got into media
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  and where we are today on social media,
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  like a lot of the time it's just like doing it for the bit
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  and trolling and keeping those things going.
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  - Yeah, I like that they're kept going though.
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  It's cool that like, I don't know,
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  cryptids have it survived this long,
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  even if they're not real, just like the folklore
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  and the tale of it.
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  I like it.
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  - Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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  And I think that, you know, if you had to pick
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  just one cryptid to hang out with for a day,
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  who are you picking?
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  - I already decided that I'm hanging out with the Howl.
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  To be a whew, 'cause I just wanna scream
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  into the night in Indonesia with a giant bait, a bait.
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  - Yeah, a bait, actually, a bat ape.
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  (laughing)
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  - A bait, a bait.
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  That sounds amazing.
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  Sign me up just to roam the streets in the scream.
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  That's it. - I love it.
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  - I think I'm going to Goblins, you know?
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  Like, whatever you just like got a little mischievous
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  would messed up one Kentucky farmhouse,
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  like in the scale of like chaotic evil.
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  - Yeah. - I think that's pretty,
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  pretty mental, they might be cute.
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  - They could probably be super cute.
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  I think that you and I would have fun hanging
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  with both of those for the night.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Like, that kind of just sounds like us
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  just after night at the club,
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  just screaming and destroying farmhouses, like.
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  - Yeah. - It's just an exciting early time.
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  - Yeah, I was, I was actually talking
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  with my coworker about this,
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  Rose, like, okay, inverse of this question.
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  If you feel like you had to fight a cryptid,
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  who are you picking because you think like you could win?
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  - Oh God, which one's the tiniest?
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  I'm not fighting something huge or scary,
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  like the Jersey Devil or some shit.
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  - Okay.
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  I mean, I feel like a Goblins pretty little.
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  - I think I could like dropkick a Goblin.
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  - So probably the Hopkinsville Goblins.
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  - I think I'm going Fresno Nightcrawler,
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  'cause what do you mean I'm fighting a pair of pants?
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  (laughing)
• 19:06
  - I do that every day when I get dressed.
• 19:07
  (laughing)
• 19:09
  - No, you're right.
• 19:10
  I would love to fist fight just a sentient pair
• 19:12
  of pants in the street.
• 19:14
  - You know, like, what could it do?
• 19:15
  Like, try to choke me out.
• 19:18
  - It could strangle you.
• 19:19
  It could like wrap its fabric legs around you and choke you out.
• 19:22
  - Yeah, like, you know, maybe I'd get like the strength
• 19:25
  of like a woman saving her child and just like,
• 19:27
  rip them. - Yeah.
• 19:29
  - Like, what are these pants made of?
• 19:30
  - Do they have teeth?
• 19:32
  'Cause yeah, like a Goblin could bite me, I guess.
• 19:34
  And if they're like knee high,
• 19:36
  I don't want my Goblin taking out my kneecaps.
• 19:39
  I'm gonna fight the pair of pants with you.
• 19:41
  - Okay, okay.
• 19:42
  If they're high waisted, we're screwed.
• 19:44
  - Yeah, it depends on what size they are,
• 19:47
  what style they are.
• 19:49
  If they're a polyester, polarized nightcrawler.
• 19:52
  - If they're a Levi's, those things are durable.
• 19:56
  - Yeah, true.
• 19:58
  - We need a pair of like,
• 19:59
  pajama pants from Sheen.
• 20:01
  - Like, they're gonna be,
• 20:02
  they're gonna be very, very low quality fabric,
• 20:07
  easily terrible.
• 20:09
  Yeah.
• 20:11
  - Attack of the Sheen, pajama pants.
• 20:13
  - Yeah, you know, they may just fall apart
• 20:16
  from looking at 'em.
• 20:17
  - They're probably the washing machine to kill them.
• 20:20
  - Just a city-grade. - They never really know.
• 20:22
  - So we think we're winning against the pair of pants.
• 20:26
  - Absolutely. - Any pants that you're like,
• 20:28
  I think I could maybe win.
• 20:30
  'Cause I do have one more.
• 20:31
  - Oh gosh, let's see here.
• 20:33
  I'm not gonna beat a worm.
• 20:36
  - I mean, okay, wait, is the Mongoli and Deathworm worm sized?
• 20:40
  Or is it like the worms in dude?
• 20:42
  - I pictured it as like a midden guard worm.
• 20:47
  - From my avatar, like giant.
• 20:50
  - So I'm not beating that.
• 20:51
  'Cause, okay, if it's like a worm,
• 20:53
  if it's like a worm size worm,
• 20:55
  then I can beat that.
• 20:56
  (laughing)
• 20:58
  But if it's like a tune worm or something,
• 21:01
  then like a trimmer's worm, no, I'm not beating that.
• 21:05
  - Yeah, you don't think you're beating a
• 21:08
  active spinning electric death spinning worm.
• 21:11
  - Like I said, if it's like three inches long,
• 21:14
  then yeah, I could take that out.
• 21:15
  I could take out like a worm.
• 21:18
  - No, okay. - Step on that thing,
• 21:19
  throw a book at it.
• 21:21
  So.
• 21:22
  - My exploit friends are quaking.
• 21:24
  (laughing)
• 21:26
  - I can beat a little tiny three incher.
• 21:29
  I've been beating those for the last 20 years.
• 21:32
  (laughing)
• 21:33
  - I like how you immediately were like,
• 21:35
  yeah, it's a small worm that people were making of.
• 21:39
  - I don't know the facts here.
• 21:42
  - Yeah. - All it says in my notes is worm.
• 21:44
  It doesn't say giant or.
• 21:47
  - Got it, got it.
• 21:49
  Cryptozoologist, listen up.
• 21:52
  - If it's worm size, then I'm beating the Mongolian Deathworm.
• 21:55
  If it's crazy size, then it's beating me.
• 21:59
  - I think that's fair.
• 22:00
  - I think that's fair.
• 22:01
  - Okay.
• 22:02
  - And this may be a little bit like hubris of me,
• 22:06
  but I think that I could beat Bigfoot.
• 22:09
  Like Bigfoot just seems a little big dumb, you know?
• 22:13
  - Yeah, but he's probably got that like dummy strength
• 22:15
  like of my sin men where he accidentally like snaps
• 22:19
  the girl's neck.
• 22:20
  - Just keep looking at the flowers, Lenny.
• 22:25
  That's what he's big and dumb and like it'll break your neck.
• 22:30
  - I'd love that you went of my sin men
• 22:32
  of all of those things.
• 22:34
  See, I just feel like I could outsmart the Bigfoot
• 22:39
  and somehow win, but you're right.
• 22:41
  And probably is like that like chimp strength almost.
• 22:46
  - Yeah. - So rip your face off, man.
• 22:48
  - Didn't you watch that one woman?
• 22:50
  - Or that actual real life woman from Oprah.
• 22:54
  - Yeah, the chimp, chimp crazy, that lady.
• 22:59
  - Oh, I didn't watch that.
• 23:00
  I just remember a lady from Oprah back in the day
• 23:02
  and she didn't have a face because it chipped.
• 23:03
  - Dorada, what are she doing?
• 23:06
  - Probably not well.
• 23:08
  - If you're listening, chimp faceless, chimp attack lady.
• 23:12
  Hope you're doing well.
• 23:13
  Hope you're well.
• 23:15
  Hope you're well. - Hope you're well.
• 23:16
  - Hope you're well. - Hope you're well.
• 23:17
  - And to Bigfoot.
• 23:18
  - I didn't know. - I didn't know.
• 23:20
  - Chimp's.
• 23:21
  - Yeah, okay.
• 23:22
  Okay.
• 23:23
  - Yeah.
• 23:24
  - But you're probably right.
• 23:25
  And I should stay away from any sort of Bigfoot.
• 23:29
  - Yeah, please don't fight Bigfoot.
• 23:30
  I'm pretty fond of you.
• 23:32
  - Yeah.
• 23:33
  - And aside from fighting Bigfoot,
• 23:35
  we wanted to talk about our personal favorites.
• 23:38
  And we're gonna do that right after the break.
• 23:40
  (dramatic music)
• 23:43
  So, Shana, tell our listeners about your favorite cryptids.
• 23:50
  - So one of my favorite cryptids
• 23:52
  is the Chupa Cabra, aka the goat sucker.
• 23:56
  The Chupa Cabra was first reported in Puerto Rico in 1995.
• 24:02
  I didn't realize that it was that recent.
• 24:04
  After a wave of livestock deaths
• 24:06
  where goats were drained of blood through puncture wounds,
• 24:10
  the term Chupa Cabra comes from Spanish chupar
• 24:13
  to suck and Cabra goat.
• 24:16
  So literally sucking off goats.
• 24:19
  - I mean, not sucking off goats,
• 24:20
  but sucking goats. - Yes, sucking goats.
• 24:22
  - Well, kinda reminds me of Morning Glory milking farm.
• 24:25
  - We're bringing it back.
• 24:27
  - We're bringing it back every episode as Dev won mention.
• 24:31
  So, early reports of the Chupa Cabra
• 24:34
  are that it's reptilian, greenish skin
• 24:37
  with spines down its back and glowing red eyes.
• 24:41
  Later reports kinda describe it more as like a hairless dog
• 24:45
  like creature, which is kinda how I see it in my head
• 24:49
  as kind of like a combination scaly, skinny dog
• 24:53
  with like glowing eyes.
• 24:55
  In pop culture, it has appeared in the X files
• 24:58
  in the episode El Mundo Grilla in Scooby-Doo
• 25:02
  and the monsters at Mexico in South Park
• 25:05
  and in a ton of documentaries.
• 25:07
  So it is one of the most globalized modern reptids.
• 25:11
  - I remember the X files episode
• 25:13
  and that thing free to me out.
• 25:16
  - Did it?
• 25:17
  - I didn't see that episode.
• 25:19
  Did it look kind of like a dog creature thing?
• 25:21
  - Yeah, it looked dog reptilian like thing.
• 25:25
  But yeah, I remember living in Texas
• 25:27
  and being like, "Maxicos on the border, they're coming."
• 25:31
  I think that's it.
• 25:31
  Yeah, an Arizona too.
• 25:33
  Like with the Jackalope, you hear about the Chupa Cabra
• 25:36
  and another one that I'll mention here next
• 25:38
  after yours, but another one that I will hear about in Arizona.
• 25:42
  So I love the Chupa Cabra.
• 25:44
  I think that it would make a good pet if you could like tame it.
• 25:47
  Like do your like bidding and like scare your enemies.
• 25:51
  - You'd have to lose a few goats, but you know.
• 25:54
  - Yeah, what's a few goat sacrifices
• 25:57
  to your modern day, which let's go.
• 26:00
  - To old Chupy, you know?
• 26:03
  So my favorite one and if you've never heard of this one,
• 26:06
  I would highly recommend that you Google the art work
• 26:10
  of this is the Loveland, Ohio Frogman.
• 26:14
  - Just do you love them.
• 26:15
  - I've never heard of Ohio.
• 26:16
  - So I'm very excited.
• 26:18
  - Yeah, just Google Loveland, Ohio.
• 26:21
  - I love the Ohio scary people are there, man.
• 26:24
  - The city of Rockland, Ohio.
• 26:25
  - So it first became known in 1955
• 26:31
  when a businessman claimed to see three frog like men
• 26:36
  under a bridge in Loveland, Ohio.
• 26:40
  Another sighting in 1972 came from a police officer
• 26:45
  who said he saw a creature with leathery skin
• 26:48
  and a frog's face.
• 26:51
  - My brothers and Christ, these are just people on drugs.
• 26:54
  - This is why we need body cams on everyone.
• 26:58
  I know it was the 70s, but they didn't exist yet,
• 27:01
  but you know, we could have proved.
• 27:03
  - We could have seen the frog man.
• 27:06
  - Yeah, and so they are described as three to four feet tall.
• 27:11
  - Frog of like, yeah, I don't know, big frog.
• 27:15
  - Big frog.
• 27:16
  - Or a tiny man.
• 27:19
  - Yeah.
• 27:20
  Frog like humanoid leathery skin in some accounts,
• 27:24
  it held a wand or spark emitting stick.
• 27:28
  - They just saw ugly children with sparklers, honestly.
• 27:33
  - These are just ugly, a leathery children
• 27:35
  on the 4th of July with sparklers.
• 27:36
  They're like frog-like tall.
• 27:38
  - Yeah, it has to be it.
• 27:40
  - So pop culture references really, I mean, it is local
• 27:45
  legend in Ohio.
• 27:47
  It has inspired short films, t-shirts,
• 27:52
  and even a musical hot damn.
• 27:54
  It's the lovelin frog.
• 27:56
  - Oh my god.
• 27:57
  - And it's internet culture, like internet culture loves it
• 28:00
  because it's so weird.
• 28:01
  It's so regionally specific and it's only in one part
• 28:05
  of Ohio.
• 28:06
  - I love that.
• 28:07
  - Most of these are like spread out.
• 28:10
  - They're in regions, country is good.
• 28:12
  - But you know, they just got weird frog people in lovelins.
• 28:16
  - Check it out.
• 28:17
  - Ugly children in lovelin don't fire.
• 28:19
  (laughing)
• 28:20
  - Sorry to any listeners, really lovelins.
• 28:23
  - My next favorite, cryptid.
• 28:26
  So technically folklore, but she's often treated
• 28:29
  as a cryptid/ghost figure.
• 28:31
  Is La Yorona, have you ever heard of her before?
• 28:35
  - Yeah, I've seen the movie too.
• 28:37
  - Oh, I haven't seen the movie.
• 28:38
  The Weeping Woman, my sister-in-law, Alessa,
• 28:42
  told me that her Nana and thought that like
• 28:44
  an Andrew's family used to tell them about La Yorona
• 28:48
  when they were little to keep them in line.
• 28:50
  So the legend originates in Mexico,
• 28:54
  trace back to colonial era stories,
• 28:56
  mixing indigenous and Spanish influences.
• 28:59
  So it's a pretty basic tale.
• 29:01
  A woman drowns her children,
• 29:03
  often after the betrayal of a lover,
• 29:06
  and then wanders weeping, searching for them.
• 29:09
  She said to snatch children who wander at night.
• 29:13
  So it was kind of like a cautionary tale
• 29:16
  for children if you stay out past
• 29:17
  after the lights go off, then La Yorona is gonna
• 29:21
  wear a mi hijos.
• 29:23
  - Come murder you.
• 29:24
  - He's a hija. - But she did her babies.
• 29:26
  - Yes, she's described as a pale ghostly woman
• 29:29
  in white wailing or crying near rivers and lakes.
• 29:33
  So some pop culture references.
• 29:35
  She's a central figure in Latin American folklore.
• 29:38
  She's featured in the curse of La Yorona,
• 29:40
  which is part of the contouring universe.
• 29:42
  I didn't know that. - Yes, that was a movie.
• 29:44
  I was talking about. - Good movie.
• 29:46
  Yeah, it's a decent horror movie.
• 29:50
  - Maybe I'll give that a whirl.
• 29:52
  She's referenced in Coco from 2017
• 29:55
  through the song La Yorona,
• 29:56
  and appears in countless regional ghost stories
• 29:59
  and TV episodes.
• 30:02
  - This is a really interesting one.
• 30:04
  I think as well, I mentioned you see these through lines
• 30:07
  of characters throughout different regions, times, folklore.
• 30:12
  This is the Spanish version of a banshee.
• 30:18
  - Yeah, exactly.
• 30:20
  - Yes, and so shrieking woman.
• 30:22
  Is it, this one specifically is very interesting
• 30:27
  because it is a woman in grief almost.
• 30:32
  The banshee, I can't remember if it is
• 30:34
  that she kills her children.
• 30:36
  - I don't remember either.
• 30:37
  All I know about her is that she shrieks,
• 30:38
  which you know another person
• 30:40
  that I, another like,
• 30:41
  cryptic that I could hang out with,
• 30:42
  just a shrieking wailing woman.
• 30:45
  Get us with the ahul and we are having a good time.
• 30:48
  - We're just ahul and to get us out of here.
• 30:50
  - We're just ahul and we see ahul and to the night.
• 30:55
  - Yeah, so I do think this one is a lot more,
• 30:59
  like a woman who cries and is evil, right?
• 31:04
  - Yeah, and definitely like something that parents
• 31:09
  tell their kids to kind of keep them in line.
• 31:11
  We're a lot of the other cryptids are just kind of like
• 31:14
  stories that are kind of told around campfire.
• 31:16
  So this one's more like,
• 31:17
  you better come home or La Yodona's gonna snatch you up.
• 31:20
  So I still like to counter.
• 31:24
  - Yes, and one of my actual,
• 31:27
  we talked about it a little bit.
• 31:28
  So I'm going to the Appalachian Mountains
• 31:31
  and if you have ever ended up on Appalachia TikTok,
• 31:36
  it is what's up. - I can't say that we have.
• 31:39
  - Oh, it's so good.
• 31:40
  Don't watch it at night.
• 31:41
  It is very, very creepy.
• 31:43
  And in the Appalachian Mountains,
• 31:46
  that it is known that you have two,
• 31:50
  I guess three rules never respond to a whistle
• 31:54
  that you hear with a whistle.
• 31:55
  - Oh, okay.
• 31:56
  If you hear someone call your name, no, you didn't.
• 31:59
  Don't acknowledge it.
• 32:00
  - What if you're out with a friend and you get separated?
• 32:03
  - You're gonna die.
• 32:05
  (laughing)
• 32:06
  - And the third is if you hear,
• 32:09
  like this one's fucked up,
• 32:10
  but if you hear a child crying,
• 32:13
  don't run towards it.
• 32:15
  - Oh, I would never do that anyway.
• 32:17
  (laughing)
• 32:18
  - They have these myths to protect people
• 32:20
  from what we call today skin walkers.
• 32:24
  And so skin walkers are from Navajo legend.
• 32:29
  And they are technically like a witch more so than like a cryptid,
• 32:34
  but a lot of people think of skin walkers as cryptid.
• 32:39
  So we're snaking them in.
• 32:40
  And it is rooted in Navajo traditions.
• 32:44
  It is a term that describes a type of harmful witch
• 32:48
  you can shape shift into animals.
• 32:50
  - Ooh.
• 32:51
  - This is considered sacred and taboo.
• 32:55
  Navajo people are often very reluctant
• 32:58
  to discuss this tradition within it.
• 33:01
  It has started to move into pop culture.
• 33:05
  We've seen it.
• 33:06
  Non-nate aboutances have really picked it up through UFOs,
• 33:09
  conspiracies, and it is these creatures
• 33:14
  that can take the form of individuals.
• 33:17
  It's different than like a mimic
• 33:19
  who can become another person.
• 33:21
  - So in the Marvel universe,
• 33:23
  there's these like aliens called the scrolls
• 33:25
  and they can shape shift to look like humans
• 33:27
  and look like other people.
• 33:29
  And we find out that one of our characters
• 33:31
  that we've known for like dozens of movies
• 33:34
  is actually been a scroll the whole time.
• 33:36
  I bet you anything that's where they got it
• 33:38
  from is just skin walkers.
• 33:40
  - Yeah, skin walkers and mimics.
• 33:41
  They're often different.
• 33:44
  A lot of the time people will put those two together.
• 33:47
  So mimics are copies of you or other people
• 33:51
  and they can exist to do dark things
• 33:56
  and steal your soul and all of those things.
• 33:58
  - Cool.
• 33:59
  - Same thing with skin walkers.
• 34:01
  That is ultimately where the lore
• 34:04
  and oral tradition comes from.
• 34:07
  But a lot of the time in the folklore of them,
• 34:11
  they take on deer quite a bit.
• 34:13
  - Ooh, yeah.
• 34:14
  - And as well and you know are said to have a weird eerie feeling
• 34:18
  when you hear them.
• 34:20
  And one thing about skin walkers,
• 34:22
  I told that Appalachian Trail where it's like,
• 34:25
  if you acknowledge it, it becomes more intense
• 34:28
  and it follows me.
• 34:29
  - Weird.
• 34:30
  - Trying to capture you.
• 34:31
  - It's like you're inviting it in.
• 34:33
  - Yes.
• 34:33
  And so definitely if you want a little spooky scary vibes,
• 34:38
  look up skin walkers on TikTok.
• 34:41
  I'm sure Instagram has them as well.
• 34:43
  But very, very creepy stories of people have always lived
• 34:46
  in that Appalachia Trail and weird things have happened.
• 34:49
  It is also said that like a skin walker could copy your dog
• 34:53
  and use it to get into your house and things like that.
• 34:57
  - Oh, no.
• 34:58
  - And so it is really just kind of these spooky things
• 35:01
  that are seen haunting in the woods.
• 35:04
  So pop culture references where we've seen skin walkers,
• 35:08
  ex files of course in the episode shapes.
• 35:11
  We've seen them in the show,
• 35:14
  well we've seen them kind of talked about in skin walker ranch,
• 35:17
  which is a history channel show.
• 35:20
  They're kind of exploring like,
• 35:21
  do skin walkers exist?
• 35:22
  - I've heard that before.
• 35:23
  - Oh my God, I never realized what it was about.
• 35:26
  - It's like serious, they're trying to prove either
• 35:29
  that aliens are there, that you know, like skin walkers exist.
• 35:33
  Like they're kind of just investigating it
• 35:35
  from a scientific point of view.
• 35:37
  But Philippe, they would always watch it.
• 35:39
  And literally, it is some of the funniest stuff ever
• 35:43
  because they're trying to make it very dramatic,
• 35:45
  but it's literally a science experiment.
• 35:47
  So like how do you do that?
• 35:48
  - Yeah.
• 35:49
  - But really where I first heard about skin walkers
• 35:54
  was actually in true blood.
• 35:56
  I don't know if you ever watched true blood.
• 35:58
  - I watched the first season
• 35:59
  and I couldn't really get into it.
• 36:02
  - Yeah, well they have shifters within it
• 36:05
  where people can turn into animals of any animal
• 36:08
  that they see, but a skin walker in true blood
• 36:12
  is actually someone who can take the form
• 36:14
  of another human.
• 36:16
  - Okay.
• 36:17
  - So skin shifting.
• 36:19
  - Yeah, yeah, ultimately.
• 36:20
  And so we've seen it a lot.
• 36:22
  I mean, these traditions have lasted forever.
• 36:27
  I mean, you know, in Navajo oral traditions,
• 36:29
  things were written down, but it has really been,
• 36:32
  you know, some of the earliest folklore
• 36:35
  that we had in the Americas.
• 36:38
  Because of Native Americans.
• 36:39
  So, and that's why you always need a secret word
• 36:42
  with your best friends.
• 36:43
  So you can make sure they're not a skin walker.
• 36:46
  - So you need your safe word, your skin walker safe word.
• 36:49
  - You and I need to think of one,
• 36:50
  but we probably shouldn't do it, you know,
• 36:51
  on the podcast where the skin walkers are listening.
• 36:54
  - Where they can hear us, they can hear us.
• 36:55
  - When I go there in a few days,
• 36:57
  I'm gonna make all of our friends have the same word.
• 36:59
  - I think that's fair.
• 37:00
  - Yeah, but we already mentioned this one
• 37:02
  so I won't take too much time on it,
• 37:04
  but another popular cryptid is of course the Moth Man.
• 37:07
  First sighted in 1966 in Point Pleasant, West Virginia
• 37:11
  when two couples reported seeing age giant,
• 37:15
  flying man with glowing red eyes,
• 37:17
  lots of glowing red eyes and cryptids.
• 37:20
  Sightings continued until 1967
• 37:22
  when the silver bridge collapsed,
• 37:24
  killing 46 people, locals tied the disaster to the Moth Man
• 37:29
  as a warning or an omen.
• 37:32
  So the Moth Man is about six to seven feet tall,
• 37:35
  wings that are 10 feet wide and often said
• 37:38
  to fly without flapping its wings.
• 37:41
  So our guy just hovers and of course like you mentioned earlier,
• 37:44
  he's kind of the internet's cryptid boyfriend.
• 37:46
  So he didn't mean to kill all those people,
• 37:48
  he's just a shy guy.
• 37:50
  We saw him in the Moth Man Prophecy's book, 1975,
• 37:54
  and the film of 2002, the Moth Man Festival in Point Pleasant
• 37:59
  and frequent internet cryptid memes.
• 38:03
  He also appears in Fallout 76, the video game.
• 38:07
  So the Moth Man.
• 38:10
  - Yeah, the Moth Man is like somehow weirdly
• 38:13
  a pathetic character too,
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  where he really kind of is not just like this giant bug,
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  but he also is a warning human.
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  So he's a really good guy, you know?
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  - Yeah, you see him and you're like,
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  "Aw, some shit's about to go down.
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  Scary thing is about to happen.
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  My internet boyfriend is here."
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  - And you know, we couldn't end this episode
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  without talking about the one, the only Renesme.
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  No, I'm just kidding, we're gonna talk a little bit
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  about the Loch Ness Monster.
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  Also known as Nessie.
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  - Nessie. - Nessie.
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  - Nessie.
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  - Are we trying to do a Scottish accent?
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  - Yes.
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  - It's not. - Yesie.
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  - Nessie. - Nessie.
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  - It's just real.
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  - We've got a snow place out here.
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  - No, that's terrible. - No, that's terrible.
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  Don't worry, we are not quitting our day jobs.
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  And we're just sticking with our normal voices here.
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  But the first written reference of the Loch Ness Monster
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  goes back to 565 AD in the life of Saint Columbus.
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  And we're the saint supposedly drove away a water beast.
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  Modern fam really came back within 1933
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  when a couple reported saying an enormous animal
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  crossing the road into the Loch.
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  I love that Nessie has evolved
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  and she's now both able to walk on land.
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  She's a girl, of course.
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  - Oh, of course she's young.
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  - And live in a lake.
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  - And I feel like she's gentle and kind.
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  - Yeah, yeah, she's just young.
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  She just wants to be in her lake.
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  - Maybe she'll occasionally walk her house on road.
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  - Really in 1933 it came back up, but in 1934,
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  the surgeon's photograph, which was later revealed
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  as a hoax, really cemented Nessie with in-pop culture.
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  - Yeah, it's like that famous grainy one of her
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  in the lake in the distance.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  - It's just like a little kid's like play dinosaur
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  just sticking out.
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  - It looks pretty realistic.
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  Listen, if that's in the 1930s, you're like,
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  that is absolutely believing.
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  - Absolutely.
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  - That is the AI of the 1930s.
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  - There you go, totally.
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  - That's tricking some boomers.
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  - Yeah, it's described as a long neck humped back
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  often compared to a plus a star
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  and size ranged from 20 to 40 feet.
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  So there may even be multiple Nessies, you'd ever know.
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  But we've seen it all over.
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  It's in Scooby Doo, it's in the Simpsons,
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  it's in South Park, it's even in Pokemon.
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  - Lapras.
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  - Lapras, yep, is loosely inspired by Nessie.
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  And honestly, Scotland thrives from this myth
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  and cryptid, just like, you know,
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  Pony Up Towns in Loveland, Ohio.
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  - That is so cool.
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  Like tourist culture there.
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  I'm sure they sell so many t-shirts that say,
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  like, I saw the Loch Ness monster in such and such town
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  or whatever, is the town, Loch Ness,
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  the name of the town, or is it just the lake, I don't know.
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  - I think it's in the lake.
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  And even recently, I mean, this is a meme,
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  I haven't actually researched this,
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  but El Chappos daughter reportedly has taken up the hunt
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  to find Nessie and crew, but they exist.
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  - Why not?
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  You know, I love it.
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  - Someone's got to do it.
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  - Finally doing some good.
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  - And that's what's gotta do.
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  - Someone's got to do it.
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  - I can get behind.
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  She can go on our nepo baby rescue mobiles.
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  - Yeah, exactly.
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  - Exactly.
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  - And, you know, we by no means have covered
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  all the cryptids out there.
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  And if you feel like we missed some of the funniest cryptids
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  or some of the scariest cryptids,
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  we would truly love to hear your favorites.
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  Maybe you have a favorite, Moth Man,
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  thirst trap.
• 42:08
  - I would love to see that.
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  - I would love to see that.
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  - A Tumblr, like kind of furry Moth Man banner.
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  - Oh, send it my way.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She went to a five o'clock shadow on her Moth Man.
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  So if you guys come to make that happen.
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  - I want to make that happen.
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  - Ooh, Moth Man abs.
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  - Okay, but could you really look past like a little furry body?
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  I guess it's kind of like if you were like picturing
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  one of the bat boys, but just furry.
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  But it would have a Moth head.
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  - My picture is body is kind of like smooth fur
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  and then he has like the furry ruffle collar thing
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  around his neck.
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  But then yeah, definitely Moth head.
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  But he's kind of like just man from neck down
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  but just kind of covered in like Moth fur.
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  - Okay, okay.
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  - So slightly hairy, okay.
• 42:56
  - All right, make that happen.
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  - And listeners there.
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  - And maybe as coins in his ass crack,
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  like in the statue, everyone puts like coins.
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  Coins in the Moth Man statues but crack.
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  So maybe he's gonna be sexy and have little money
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  in his bum.
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  - Ooh, 41 from a man.
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  - It's hard to ask for more.
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  You know, the Moth Man will deliver.
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  He's also prophetic.
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  He's thinking ahead.
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  He's thinking ahead.
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  He's a little. - He's thinking ahead.
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  - He's emo, he can fly, he's got butt cheek money.
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  - I'm so out of following.
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  I'm so out of following on the tumbler
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  and those girls truly know and can stop them.
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  - True.
• 43:32
  - So Shauna, before we keep fantasizing about the Moth Man,
• 43:36
  where can our listeners find you on social media?
• 43:39
  You can find me Shauna Trinidad on Instagram and Therads
• 43:43
  @shaunatrinidad -- S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D.
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  - And you can find me, Olivia, on Instagram
• 43:53
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