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Girl Discovers Her Grandpa Is A Wanted Killer [wQ9oT0Ylvx0] · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: I then step out here.
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  Speaker 2: Get a war for your rest. Yeah, so it's for
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  Speaker 2: murder charges.
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  Speaker 3: This is sixty year old Ellene Gowan. She is briefly
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  Speaker 3: seen here leaving this apartment complex with a briefcase. This
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  Speaker 3: is the last time she would ever be seen alive.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to watch the other stammergency. So we're
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  Speaker 4: dragging down the road to go shooting, and there is
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  Speaker 4: a dead body on the side of the road.
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  Speaker 3: Eleene's body would be found thirteen days after the last
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  Speaker 3: time she was seen on CCTV. Police believe she was
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  Speaker 3: entangled in a deadly love triangle prior to her murder,
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  Speaker 3: but over the course of the next several months, this
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  Speaker 3: cold case would turn out to be far more complicated
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  Speaker 3: and even more disturbing than they could have ever imagined.
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  Speaker 1: We and her broke up.
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  Speaker 5: She moved in with a guy and met.
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  Speaker 6: Him and all I know was his first name is Sam.
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  Speaker 6: They told her it was deal with him because he
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  Speaker 6: told me if he cops it behind him, he's as.
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  Speaker 7: Her grandfather in the car and he called them.
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  Speaker 8: Fate and he's possibly going to try to crack the car.
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  Speaker 3: On February thirteenth, twenty twenty three, Eleene Gowan was seen
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  Speaker 3: leaving her longtime job at Sugar's Diner. She had just
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  Speaker 3: told her daughter over a text message that she was
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  Speaker 3: on her way to pick up some things from her
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  Speaker 3: friend Mike, who she had recently moved in with after
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  Speaker 3: breaking up with her ex boyfriend Sam Bremer only a
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  Speaker 3: week earlier. Strangely, she would specify that her coworker at
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  Speaker 3: Sugar's Diner would be the one to drive her there. However,
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  Speaker 3: as Eleene left her workplace, no coworker would show up. Instead, strangely,
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  Speaker 3: her ex boyfriend Sam would be the one to pick
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  Speaker 3: her up. Ours would go by, but Eleene would never
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  Speaker 3: show back up to Sugars. The owner of the restaurant, Megan,
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  Speaker 3: would begin worrying as to where Eleene could have gone
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  Speaker 3: and started frantically sending her messages asking for her whereabouts,
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  Speaker 3: But oddly, she would receive a single message back saying
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  Speaker 3: leave me alone. I'm done. This was very strange coming
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  Speaker 3: from Eleene, as she almost never texted, usually resorting to
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  Speaker 3: phone calls, and was often extremely responsible. Something strange was
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  Speaker 3: going on. The day would go by and Eileene would
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  Speaker 3: never be seen. The following day, Eleene's daughter would finally
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  Speaker 3: missing one person's report for Eleen to the Council of
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  Speaker 3: Bluff's police department, and an investigation began. Detectives would begin
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  Speaker 3: collecting CCTV footage from everywhere in the town to try
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  Speaker 3: and fully document where Eleen went the day of her disappearance,
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  Speaker 3: but this would be quite the lengthy process, so without
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  Speaker 3: anything to go by, police would start asking her family
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  Speaker 3: and friends. Apparently, after leaving her ex boyfriend Sam Brammer
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  Speaker 3: a week earlier, she had stayed with her new friend
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  Speaker 3: Mike Brockman, a man her family claimed had likely assaulted
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  Speaker 3: her the night before she disappeared. This shined a suspicious
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  Speaker 3: light on both of the men she was involved with,
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  Speaker 3: so police would bring in both Sam and Mike for
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  Speaker 3: interrogation and see if they could find any leads. Mike
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  Speaker 3: was a friend of Eleen's who met her at Sugars
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  Speaker 3: and became very close over time. It was still unclear
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  Speaker 3: to officers what happened to Eileen at this point. For Alveno,
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  Speaker 3: she could have just gone mia and taken a break
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  Speaker 3: from her stressful life. However, if anyone would have the
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  Speaker 3: clues as to where she went, it would be Mike
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  Speaker 3: so basically, I.
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  Speaker 9: Mean, as you know, I talked to you on Wednesday. Wednesday,
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  Speaker 9: I guess it was the first day I talked to you.
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  Speaker 9: I had received information from some of the family that
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  Speaker 9: you and Eileen were possibly in a relationship or kind
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  Speaker 9: of story.
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  Speaker 1: She made live with you for a few days or
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  Speaker 1: a week or so. But if you could just kind
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  Speaker 1: of go before Monday.
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  Speaker 9: Just kind of tell us how you guys know each other,
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  Speaker 9: how she ended up out there at your place, that
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  Speaker 9: kind of thing, and then we'll kind of move from there.
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  Speaker 6: She was a waiver sures and I knew her from
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  Speaker 6: in there.
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  Speaker 1: And I talked to her before and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 6: And then she told me, I don't know, it was
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  Speaker 6: like on Tuesday or Wednesday night that she got kicked out.
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  Speaker 6: She knew place to say, that's the way you stay
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  Speaker 6: in my place for a couple of days. And I
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  Speaker 6: was Friday. She called me and she said, I want
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  Speaker 6: to be coming back. She says, we'll getting back together
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  Speaker 6: her boyfriend, and all I know was his first.
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  Speaker 1: Name, Sam.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know anything else about. And so I didn't
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  Speaker 6: see her. And then she called me crying on that
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  Speaker 6: Saturday night and she said, oh, we got into can
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  Speaker 6: I come out for a day? I said, you can
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  Speaker 6: come back out, but I want you gotta be gone
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  Speaker 6: money because I can't add this. I'm single. I don't
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  Speaker 6: want anything like this going on.
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  Speaker 3: Two initial thoughts can be made upon hearing Mike's story.
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  Speaker 3: On one hand, it seems like Sam was back together
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  Speaker 3: with Eleen, so Sam would be a much stronger person
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  Speaker 3: of interest as he'd likely been the last person to
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  Speaker 3: see her. On the other hand, Mike may have had
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  Speaker 3: a deep connection with Elee, meaning if he learned she
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  Speaker 3: got back with her ex boyfriend just days after moving
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  Speaker 3: in with him, he could have played a sinister role
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  Speaker 3: in her disappearance. But detectives planned to let Mike tell
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  Speaker 3: his side of the story before confronting him about the
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  Speaker 3: suspicious relationship.
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  Speaker 6: So I took her to work Monday morning. I've been
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  Speaker 6: a week ago yesterday. You're after off at five am,
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  Speaker 6: and she was supposed to get off it she said
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  Speaker 6: seven or eight.
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  Speaker 1: Her daughter was going to pick her up.
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  Speaker 6: She's going to go to her mom's and get her
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  Speaker 6: safe and take through her daughters, and then she was
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  Speaker 6: supposed to come back to work at two o'clock in
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  Speaker 6: the afternoon. Well, then I get a phone call from
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  Speaker 6: the bar saying eighty SR and I said, I have
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  Speaker 6: seen her. I haven't talked to her nothing. Oh, she
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  Speaker 6: didn't show up for work. She didn't show up. I said,
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  Speaker 6: I haven't her gaming and I tried to contact her
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  Speaker 6: and couldn't get a hold of her. So I said
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  Speaker 6: her text messaging ice as all your stuff, it's bagged,
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be setting behind the bar. You got
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  Speaker 6: to get it out of here. I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: mess it anymore. This and I never searched five.
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  Speaker 1: O'clock that moneymore.
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  Speaker 6: I'd never had any contact with her own text or anything.
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  Speaker 6: And then I didn't know anything until right before you
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  Speaker 6: called me.
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  Speaker 1: The two come up missing.
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  Speaker 3: Mike would go on to claim that he never had
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  Speaker 3: any relationship with Elena and that she stayed in a
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  Speaker 3: completely different room to him while living in his house. However,
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  Speaker 3: detectives know more about Mike than he thinks, and with
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  Speaker 3: some information Eleen's close friends shared with them, they don't
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  Speaker 3: believe he and Eleen were just friends.
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  Speaker 10: Did you as anybody saying to you that Eileen was
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  Speaker 10: saying anything about you? Have you heard anything about her
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  Speaker 10: making any statements about you? And your behavior while she
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  Speaker 10: lived he was staying with you out there, No, she
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  Speaker 10: did you.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't heard that.
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  Speaker 10: She may have made a statement that you possibly assaulted
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  Speaker 10: her while she was out there, okay, That statement was
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  Speaker 10: made to a couple of people that.
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  Speaker 1: You supposedly laid down in on her bed with her
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  Speaker 1: and spooned her from behind.
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  Speaker 11: Is that?
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell me? Is that any of that accurate?
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  Speaker 1: Any of those statements.
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  Speaker 6: I would not do that because, like I said, she
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  Speaker 6: was a loose camon.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I mean, I guess he's here's the deal.
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  Speaker 11: You're a girl man, she's a girl woman. You know,
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  Speaker 11: if there was any type.
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  Speaker 9: Of whatever contact between you that was consensual, there's absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Wrong with that. I mean, she was crying that for
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  Speaker 1: I should go out, okay, but there was no relationship,
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  Speaker 1: no asking bordering.
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  Speaker 3: This information is well concerning, considering it would be unlike
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  Speaker 3: a lean to make up blatant wise of this magnitude. However,
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  Speaker 3: with little to no evidence other than a few rumors
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  Speaker 3: coming from her friends, police can't harp over these allegations
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  Speaker 3: and decide to wrap Mike's questioning up. At this point,
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  Speaker 3: Mike is still considered to have potential involvement in Eleen's disappearance,
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  Speaker 3: but with a lack of leads, they directed their attention
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  Speaker 3: to the only other potential suspect, Eleene's ex boyfriend, Sam Bremmer.
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  Speaker 1: We've already met dyer. Yeah, this dire. I'm the start
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  Speaker 1: of the talk to.
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  Speaker 8: My name is Sam Robertson, strolling through and I was
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  Speaker 8: the last version of.
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  Speaker 1: Senior life that. Yeah, I didn't say that, I know
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  Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, I said you were the last person.
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  Speaker 1: And so before she went.
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  Speaker 3: Missing, Sam wasted no time adding more suspicion onto his name.
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  Speaker 3: The phone recording shows that the detective never mentioned Sam
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  Speaker 3: being the last to see Eleen alive. Eleen has been
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  Speaker 3: missing for less than forty eight hours at this point,
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  Speaker 3: so the fact that he's already alluding to the idea
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  Speaker 3: that she's dead is awfully disturbing you. But this would
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  Speaker 3: only mark the beginning of Sam's unsettling choice of words
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  Speaker 3: during the interview.
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  Speaker 1: I was an have a lawyer.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah no, yeah, that's a that incum has hearted me there.
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  Speaker 1: I got to record an optic back and listen to it.
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  Speaker 11: But but yeah, I'm pretty sure that's not what I
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  Speaker 11: said to it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean basically we.
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  Speaker 11: Got to you know, crazy to you here where you
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  Speaker 11: know Eileen is evidently is her family.
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  Speaker 1: And everything else.
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  Speaker 11: She's never done this kind of thing or she's never
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  Speaker 11: just you know, took off and gone.
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  Speaker 1: They all know us to know if she comes to me,
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  Speaker 1: she moves him.
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  Speaker 8: She's moved him at me four or five times, but
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  Speaker 8: use them when she moved him with me, she said
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  Speaker 8: to wait for home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they said she they.
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  Speaker 11: Talk every day, the daughter and her talkt something by
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  Speaker 11: the one on her or whatever she had.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if they need something, then they'll get hold of her. Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Just like when she got arrested for the DWY she
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  Speaker 8: went to jail, they finally built her up.
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  Speaker 1: Who they they took her and dropped her off at
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  Speaker 1: the borrow. Okay, and she was homeless. Okay, let's if
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  Speaker 1: you could. I just need to know what went on
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning? What happened Monday morning with you? She texted me.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, and want to know if I would come to
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  Speaker 7: get her because one of her friends supposedly was supposed
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  Speaker 7: to come and.
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  Speaker 1: Get her and supposedly run out of gas. So did
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  Speaker 1: she tell you the friend's name or Okay?
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  Speaker 8: So I got there and I said, I'll be there
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  Speaker 8: in a minute. She was going to come inside. I
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  Speaker 8: don't want Megan to know that we're back or you're
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  Speaker 8: with me.
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  Speaker 1: I said, okay, and I pulled up. She gives her
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  Speaker 1: the truck.
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  Speaker 7: We came off right out to this too was the
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  Speaker 7: one that tried to do something with her, and uh
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  Speaker 7: dropped her off there.
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  Speaker 1: Then I left and then it wasn't too long after
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  Speaker 1: that is when she called me. I think she was
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  Speaker 1: at my house now.
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  Speaker 8: And you can't get my affirment building unless she had
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  Speaker 8: a key to get in. But I think she was knocking.
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  Speaker 1: On my window. I didn't look. I didn't care. I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to but you're not taking a nap. That's
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  Speaker 1: when she texted me.
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  Speaker 7: I want to know if I could talk to Emmy
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  Speaker 7: about letting her move back in because this guy, Uh,
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  Speaker 7: Now that's true when that night, the night before Monday night, Monday,
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  Speaker 7: you know, And I don't know if that was true
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  Speaker 7: or not.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: She was just saying that they did me to take
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  Speaker 1: her or what.
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: This statement adds more weight to a Leen's allegations towards Mike.
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  Speaker 3: If Mike did do these things to Aleen, then moving
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  Speaker 3: out and staying with Sam would be completely logical. On
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  Speaker 3: top of his statement, what Sam is about to reveal
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  Speaker 3: to detectives will make the allegations much harder to dismiss
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  Speaker 3: and place all the suspicion back on Mike.
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  Speaker 8: And she said, please talk to him me. She'll come
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  Speaker 8: back home. He me, last night, Sam, I love you.
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  Speaker 8: I promise I'll quit drinking.
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  Speaker 1: Please give me another chance. And she said, I'm hanging
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  Speaker 1: out with her. And this was it at one twenty two.
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  Speaker 8: What's it said? And I said, he I'm hanging out
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  Speaker 8: with it Ran. I will get hold with you later.
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  Speaker 8: Am I going to work?
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  Speaker 1: I'll invite back to you, right I think two or three? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember, okay.
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  Speaker 8: And then you go to work, go back there. They
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  Speaker 8: treat me like shit. And then she said you've seen it.
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  Speaker 8: They have, but I can't say. And then I said,
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  Speaker 8: why are you telling me? Why didn't you tell me
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  Speaker 8: this earlier when I was talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: You're drunk. You're drunk, and be honest, that's why I
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  Speaker 1: can't do this. No more. Please, You're not calling me
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  Speaker 1: no more, text me no more. I'll be your friends
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  Speaker 1: of your work, and that's what you got pissed off.
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  Speaker 3: Based on these texts, it really seems like a Lean's
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  Speaker 3: disappearance was just a way for her to take a
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: break from her traumatic life. If this allegations are true,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: and her ex boyfriend refused to give her a place
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  Speaker 3: to stay, well, then running away for the time being
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  Speaker 3: is completely reasonable. SAME's story seems solid so far, but
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: there's one tiny detail that just doesn't quite add up,
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  Speaker 3: and this detective has just picked up on it.
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  Speaker 1: Say you dropped her out in front of Mike's house,
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  Speaker 1: and you watched her walk into all she knew she
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  Speaker 1: got on and she wanted front a truck. She wanted
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  Speaker 1: front a truck. I wouldn't turn well, okay, So he
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  Speaker 1: get in the house and and I that. So if
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  Speaker 1: she had walked away.
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  Speaker 11: From there, I mean that's quite a ways away from
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  Speaker 11: your apartment complex.
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  Speaker 6: I wonder how she would have gotten to you was
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: supposed to come to her own.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Sam claims the day of Aleen's disappearance, he drove her
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  Speaker 3: from her workplace at Sugar's Diner over to Mike's house
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  Speaker 3: to get her belongings. After that, he drove off, assuming
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: she was to be picked up by one of her friends. Fortunately,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: police can easily cross reference these claims using surveillance footage.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: At this point, the majority of the CCTV camera footage
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  Speaker 3: has been obtained from the day of Allen's disappearance, so
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: detectives quickly wrapped up Sam's interview so that they could
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: further investigate his claims. Additionally, the detective would apologize for
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: assuming Sam's earlier word choice was suspicious. Nearly forty eight
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: hours of compiling the surveillance footage from around the town,
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  Speaker 3: officers managed to put together a complete timeline of Sam
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  Speaker 3: and Ellen's car ride. At eight thirty am on February thirteenth,
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  Speaker 3: Eleen would patiently wait at her work Sugars for Sam
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  Speaker 3: to pick her up. Ellen needed a ride to go
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  Speaker 3: and purchase a new apartment since my kid kicked her out.
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  Speaker 3: She would tell her boss and daughter that a friend
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  Speaker 3: was picking her up because she didn't want anyone to
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  Speaker 3: know her and Sam were back together. Ellen and Sam
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  Speaker 3: would first drive to her mother's apartment Dudley courtz. She
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: would be seen carrying a suitcase like object out from
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  Speaker 3: her mother's apartment, then leaving with it. This would turn
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  Speaker 3: out to be a safe containing one thy two hundred dollars,
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  Speaker 3: which she had planned to use as a down payment
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  Speaker 3: for an apartment. At nine thirty am, they would drive
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  Speaker 3: directly to the Sherwood Apartment Complex to purchase the apartment. However,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: the complex happened to be closed, so they were unable
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: to purchase anything. This is where the timeline starts to
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: a ter from Sam's claims in the interrogation room. From
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: nine to forty five to ten thirty am, Sam's car
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: can be seen driving all across town. He went in
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: multiple circles and even made a quick stop to Burger
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  Speaker 3: King at ten thirty. However, he never drove eleen to
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Mike's house like he had claimed. In fact, Sam's car
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: can be seen driving in the opposite direction to Mike's
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: house the entire morning. This is concerning, but it would
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  Speaker 3: only get words For the next two hours. Sam's truck
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  Speaker 3: goes off the grid. It's completely unknown where he went,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: and no CCTV cameras had managed to capture his location. Luckily,
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  Speaker 3: at one PM, his truck would appear back on the
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: same streets he circled on for hours that morning, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: eventually he would make his way back to his own
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  Speaker 3: home at the Cottonwood Apartment complex, But things were different.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: In all the recordings past one pm, Eleen was no
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: longer with SA. Cameras had clearly captured that Sam was
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: nowhere near Mike's house the entire day, so why would
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: he feel the need to lie about where he dropped
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  Speaker 3: a lean off? This footage paints Sam out to look
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  Speaker 3: awfully suspicious, and while both Sam and Mike have some
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: strong dirt for their name, Sam's clear lies convince officers
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  Speaker 3: to bring him back to the station the very next day,
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  Speaker 3: this time to confront him on his false alibis. Unbeknownst
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: to detectives, this very interview would spark a month's long
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: game of cat and mouse, involving a high speed pursuit,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: unsettling clues, and a chilling discovery. But before we get
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• 19:45
  Speaker 3: get back to Sam Bramer, who had just been brought
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: back to the interrogation room to explain the inconsistencies in
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: his alibi.
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: The other day when we were in here, he told
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: me that you got a phone call for her and
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: you want.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: To pick her up right, So if you could give
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: me a.
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: Favor and just kind of go through that timeline again,
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: we know that it was somewhere right around at eight thirty,
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: So if you can just kind of go through that
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: timeline again.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: As far as I'm not too sure on the time, Okay,
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: But anyway, she texted me that morning and I didn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: text her back. I called her and she won't know
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: if I would come and get her because some girl
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: was supposed to pick her up and she ran out
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: of gas. So I went and picked her up, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: she got in the truck. I left, and she wanted
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: to talk to me about helping her get in the
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: apartment because she had the same apartment doing I did.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: But she didn't pay her rent, so she got kicked out.
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: So but she didn't want to go home right away,
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: so me and her just.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Went right down Broadway, and then.
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: She wanted to stop at her mom's house. I stopped
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: at her mom's house and she was in there for
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: I don't know five or ten minutes. She come out
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: of there. I got back in and then we was
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: going back down Broadway. Just talked him some more, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: she promised me. She wanted me to drop her or
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: her back off at his house, but she made me
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: a promise that I wouldn't do nothing doing.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But I told her I promise as a matter of fact,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: can we get here? We just get out. You walk
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in front a truck over, turn around and I'll leave it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And she said, okay, okay, so you went up there,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you dropped her off? Then what you do?
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: So as I pulled it up and she didn't want
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: to be going to driveway in case she was there, okay,
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: and she had a truck, and she had a truck.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: She walking from the truck and that's why I wanted.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: She had turned around and came back. Okay, yeah, sure,
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: So you went back down to the highway, went back
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: down to King.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: He left her there. Huh you got there?
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: You're there?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Or are you?
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: No?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: She out a truck, she didn't want any come in.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: She didn't say anything, he said. She winning and grabbed clothes,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: came back out to your truck, and you guys left again. No, no, no,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: no no, that was at her mama, her mama's house.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Clearly, Sam is lying about where he was the day
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: of the Leen's disappearance. The detectives know it, and it
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: seems like Sam is starting to realize he won't be
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: able to keep up his fake story for much longer.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Even after being told that cameras show him at nowhere
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: near Mike's house the entire day. Sam insists on his
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: story that he did in fact drop a lean off
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: at Mike's house. With this, the detectives would take a
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: brief break from the room to watch the footage over again,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: just to triple check that Sam is one hundred percent lying,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: And to nobody's surprise, the footage showed Sam on the
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: opposite side of town during the time he claims to
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: have been at Mike's. So when the detectives return to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the interview room, they'll use this information to try and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: get Sam to own up to his lives.
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: We got a small little Sam here, right, We need
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: to talk to you, okay, So you said.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Actually drop her off out there off of Hwer.
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: When I be one at that rest mess you headed
• 22:52
  Speaker 13: back to your apartment. We checked so our cameras, okay,
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: and we have a camera thirty six the Broadway and
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: we have your truck. Go on, what about at nine
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: twenty eight am going to Omah? Okay, when you passed
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: thirty six and Broadway head and west, So you didn't
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: go home, you went over to Omahall looks like do
• 23:12
  Speaker 13: you remember what.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You did or in the mall? Where did you go?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I told you I want you at home. I don't
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: remember one. Oh well, camera doesn't lie. It's your truck
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and it's your license plate number.
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: Right at thirty six to the Broadway at nine twenty
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: eight am.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Going west two forty eight and then one hour later.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: You're coming back from ohall and you're going eastbound back
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: coming back in the Council plus one hour way.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going the mall. Where if you go? I wish
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you're home.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Sam is stuck at this point. No matter what information
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: detectives reveal, he will not admit to anything. At this
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: point in the interview, all Sam has left is to
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: simply reject everything the detectives tell him. They know Sam
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: isn't telling the truth, but why he's not telling the
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: truth is what remains to be seen. However, with Sam
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: seemingly uncooperative, all detectives can do is end the interview
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and let Sam back onto the streets until more concrete
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: evidence can prove he had more to do with Ellen's
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: disappearance than he claims. But fortunately, letting Sam back onto
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the streets would lead them to the exact evidence that
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: they were looking for. While law enforcement was working away
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: at this case, another investigative group would be working in
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the dark. Ellen's family. Everyone health hope that Ellen was
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: still alive, but with time passing, her family was demanding answers.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Sam and Eleen had a long history of arguments, physical assault,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: and much more that the family was well aware of.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: They knew Sam had more information about Ellen's whereabouts than
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: he had told them, so to figure this out for themselves.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Eleene's son Jack would show up up to Sam's door
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: that same night and he would pound on the door,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and upon opening, Jack would ask the simple question, what
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the hell did you do to my mom? In Jack's words,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Sam stared at him as if he had seen a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: ghost and then shut the door in his face. Sam
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: panicked whatever he did to Eileen, people were starting to
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: catch on. Later that night, Sam would talk to his
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: granddaughter Emily and would claim that he was going to
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: harm himself so that he could go visit her deceized grandmother.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: This shocked Emily, as in her eyes, Eileen was still alive. Quickly,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: she would call nine one one to report everything Sam
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: had just told her, and shortly thereafter police would locate
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: a drunken Sam at his local bar.
• 25:49
  Speaker 14: Hi, sir, how are you? Is this your vehicle? Yeah? Hey,
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: can I saw to you real quick?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:00
  Speaker 14: Do you have any weapons or anything on here? Hey?
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: We were called to check your welfare. Okay. I think
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: you talked to your granddaughter earlier and she was concerned
• 26:11
  Speaker 14: about you, some of the statements that you made to her.
• 26:14
  Speaker 14: I'm here for you, man, tell me what's going on. Well,
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: why are you feeling the way you're feeling? My girlfriend,
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: it was like a week ago. Me and her broke up.
• 26:26
  Speaker 14: She moved in with a guy and apparently hes what's
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: his name? The only thing I know, he goes by Mike.
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: Me and her broke up, she didn't have a place
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: to go, she moved in with him, she told me Friday.
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: He tried to mess with her.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: So I called my son and see if she can
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: move back in because he kicked us out. So I
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: called my son and see if she can move back
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: in with her, And then I went to his house,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: got her stuff, took her to my son's and then
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: the next morning we went to work and then she
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: went right back to him.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: So what comments did you make to your granddaughter that
• 27:04
  Speaker 14: would would be concerning the eving.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of drinks and that lowers it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: And as you mentioned something about seeing grandma tonight, okay,
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: did you mention something about seeing Grahama tonight? No, I
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: would like for you to talk to somebody tonight. I
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: would like for you to talk to a medical professional.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: I don't want to have to drag you up to
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: the hospital, but I most certainly will. I think, based
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: off of what the granddaughter has told us tonight, I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: kind of the yeah, oh shit, yeah, so she.
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: Was, she was crying.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: She's yes, she was very emotional. Her best friends and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: are currently at the apartment.
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: Because of what you said, Wow, based off of what
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: they have told me tonight, I'm going to give you
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: one or two options. You can go up willingly and
• 27:53
  Speaker 14: talk to a medical professional tonight, okay. Or I can
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: take you up there and you'll stay there for seventy
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: two hours. Okay, my grandmother, come help me.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: No.
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: Based off of what you've told us and what's going
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: on in your life right now, yeah, you need to
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: talk to somebody. I don't think that we would be
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: doing our dull diligence to do our job to make
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: sure that you're not going to hurt yourself based off
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: of what's going on with you and your girlfriend. Okay,
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: you need to talk to somebody tonight, Okay, And so
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: the best course of action is to go up to
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: the hospital. Your choice to go to talk to somebody
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: about it tonight.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Sam's mental state was clearly deteriorating. Whatever happened to Aleen,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: regardless of his involvement, was really getting to him. Following this,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Sam would be placed in a psychiatric facility for the
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: next two days, where he would undergo therapy and psychiatric care.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: During these two days, detectives would aim to gather more
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: intel on the case, this time by interviewing the family
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: of Aleen and Sam. They'd bring in both Justin Brammer,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Sam's son, and Nicole Shipper I Lean's daughter, and both
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: of them would reveal significant details crucial to solving the case.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: This is Detective Zach Meller. I just want to get
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: as much history as you can tell me. You're talk
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to me about when it comes to your mom. What
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: was their relationship like over there?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I help anyone? Okay, what do you mean by that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he didn't like her drinking?
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: He thought he could change her from so get her
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: to stop drinking. I told him that he can't because
• 29:35
  Speaker 15: she won't change for a kid.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: She's not going to change for a man. And he
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: seemed that to think that he could change her.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: So we.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Kept trying with her, but.
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: There was things on his part in her part that
• 29:51
  Speaker 15: were not healthy.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: They both had jealousy issues.
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: They both had He has a very short temper, very short.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And little less things will set him off, and it's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: just it's like ridiculous when they are good. They were good.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: When it was not, it was I was constantly in
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the middle of it because she's my mom and that's
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: his my boyfriend's dad. They were good when they weren't drinking,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: especially when she wasn't drinking.
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: She she's bigger, she argued.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: They start arguing, they just escalate. Next day they were fine.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: It's just big would bit angry. Did you ever see
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it get physical?
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: No?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I never see it physical. He told me. She heard
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: her she grated him by her net coultle times with
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: those bother Why wouldn't you grab everybody? Now she grabbed him?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: But oh okay.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: It seemed like Sam and Aleen had a rocky relationship,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: but it rarely escalated to the point of violence, and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: if the fights did turn violent, it was a Leen
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: doing the physical harm to Sam.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: The week prior to last Monday. What was going on?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: They're separated. She called me before she went missing, telling
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: me how she.
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: Don't want to be back get back with him because
• 31:34
  Speaker 15: she's tired of him throwing her out for a little
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: reasons and she's sick of not being able to be
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: how to stable home because he just gets so mad
• 31:45
  Speaker 15: at the smallest.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Things and just kicks her out. Did Emily want her
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to go? Or was it you're dead at wanting to go?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Was it sam?
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: My dad?
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: Okay, you take your bag, you kick your leg out
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: for your bag, kick your vergo out.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: So Sam's family strongly suggests that Eleen was in fact
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the troubled one in the relationship, and Sam tried over
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and over to cut her out of his life. This
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: only perplexed detectives and simply doesn't explain why Sam's been
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: acting so strangely following Eleen's disappearance. Two days after these interviews,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Sam would be released from the psychiatric facility. Fortunately for Sam,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: no new leads had come out regarding Eleen's death, meaning
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: he could finally have some peace for the first time
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: in the last week or so, it would seem, because
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: on February twenty first, the same day Sam was released,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: he would go to Walmart to restock on alcohol. However,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: right as Sam was about to get in his truck
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: and leave, and off duty officer spotted him and decided
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: to ask some questions related to Aileen. Hesitantly, Sam asked
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: to move his truck and then he would talk to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: the officer, but the moment he got into his car,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Sam would slam on the pedal, nearly hitting the officer,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: and floor his truck down the road, flying past pedestrians.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: The cop would jump in his car and begin chasing Sam,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: who would only pick up speed As he ramped up
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to over one hundred miles per hour down the peaceful
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: roads of Rexburg, Idaho.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: The white lighted up the road.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: The chase continued for multiple minutes, but it became clear
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to officers that Sam had no plans of slowing down,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: so the chief officer radioed in to call the chase off.
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: Shut it down.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: It out, Sam had just successfully run from the police,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: and while he was having the time of his life.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: This chase obviously made things much mush much worse for Sam.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Not only was he now highly suspected of murder, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: is also wanted for evading arrest and reckless driving. A
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: couple hours after his escape, he would simply return back
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: to his apartment as if nothing had ever happened. Ironically,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: this would actually postpone Sam's arrest as more officers assumed
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: he would be hiding in a more clever place and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: searched around the town instead of checking the Cottonwood apartments.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: In fact, the entire day would go by and officers
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: had no trace of where Sam could have gone. But
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the fun would only last for a day, and the
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: pressure must have gotten to Sam, as the next morning
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: he would turn himself in to police. Sam would be
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: charged with eluding and reckless driving and would be placed
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: in the Potawatomi County Jail. However, Sam would only spend
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: one night in the county jail after being bailed out
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: by Emma Lee, so by the grace of a miracle,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: yet again, Sam bred was back on the streets. During
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: this time, Sam would go to the bank and hand
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: them a large stack of cash to deposit into his account.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: This swad of cash would come out to be approximately
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: one thousand, two hundred dollars, the exact amount found in
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: a Leen's safe that she had the day of her disappearance. Additionally,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Sam would drive his truck over to the scrapyard. He
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: would ask to fully dispose of it, crushing it to
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: pieces and even shredding it After. To make sure this
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: got done, Sam would meticulously watch the entire hour long process,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: ensuring his car was turned to dust. It couldn't be
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: more obvious that Sam had something to do with Allen's disappearance.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: The lies to detectives, the disturbing comments to Emilie, running
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: from the cops, cashing in and Lean's safe money, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: now shredding the only potential piece of evidence he had left.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: On top of all of that, detectives had looked into
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the claims involving Myke Brockman and discovered that Mike was
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: at work all day at Omaha, Nebraska, nowhere near Sugar's
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Diner where a Leen was last seen. All of that
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: leaves Ivan Sam Bremer as the final suspect, but with
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: no direct evidence, all law enforcement could do is wait
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: until new clues came their way.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: And one what's the other stam agency, I don't really
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: have an address for up the eggs in a Cracke,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Iowa over by a public shooting area. What's going on?
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: So we were driving down the road to go shooting
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: or whatever and there is a dead body on the
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: side of the road. Female.
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: It's female for sure.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: On February twenty sixth and Eleen's body was found underneath
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: a bridge just miles away from Sam's apartment. He was unrecognizable,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: but the clothes matched the exact outfit Eileen was wearing
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the day she had disappeared. Someone had killed her. Medics
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: would pronounce Eileen dead on the scene, and she would
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: be taken to the hospital to get an autopsy done
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to determine her cause of death, but her results would
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: come back strange. Eleen had eight blunt force impacts to
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: her head and a fractured front tooth well gruesome. None
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: of these injuries were sufficient to cause her to die,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: so her cause of death would be ruled as undetermined.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately for police, this meant they wouldn't be able to
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: immediately charge Sam with murder. However, with all the sufficient
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: evidence they'd gathered throughout the course of the investigation, they
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: had enough to charge him with abuse of a corpse. Quickly,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: they'd receive an arrest warrant, and for the fourth time
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that month, officers would arrive at Sam's apartment, this time
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: to finally seal his fate.
• 38:05
  Speaker 12: Hello, good morning, we're looking for your grandfather.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Is he here? Okay, just one second, let just go.
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: Sam.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Ray goes by Sam.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, is there anybody else in there?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Just okay?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Has he got any guns or anything like that? Okay, Well,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: he's got a warrant, so we need to talk to him.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Just what that officer and I'll be right there.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Alright, then step out here, show us your hand.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Nope, okay, hey, hey, hey, okay, come here.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: You got a warrant for your rest.
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: I'll let you smoke that if you.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, you can.
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: Smoke all right, all right, yeah, we'll get them.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, huh.
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: I'm just trying to here in a minute. All right, Okay,
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: he'll be pot County'll be able to.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Call you a little bit.
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Sam's games had finally come to an end. Sam would
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: eventually go to court for the murder of Eleen Gowan.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Forensic pathologists would spend weeks investigating Eleen's death, and eventually
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: they would discover zipper marks on the neck of Eleen,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: signifying that she was strangled to death, likely by Brammer.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: This pile of circumstantial evidence seemed to be enough for
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the jury, and on November seventeenth, twenty twenty three, Ivan
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Samuel Brammer was charged with second degree murder, abuse of
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: a corpse, and theft. He was sentenced to sixty five
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: years in prison.