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Ep. 210 - Examining What Compels People to Murder · The Living Waters Podcast

1:04
Emeal Zwayne: the things that end up leading to murder.
1:07
Emeal Zwayne: They always begin in the heart.
1:09
Emeal Zwayne: Amen, you don't just.
1:10
Emeal Zwayne: You know, you're just not having a nice day whistling walking down the road, oh phew, and just hit someone when you're white.
1:15
Ray Comfort: No, I'm sure I will control your loss.
1:17
Emeal Zwayne: South Central LA.
1:18
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's true.
1:19
Emeal Zwayne: Maybe it is a sport in some places.
1:21
Emeal Zwayne: But Matthew 521 to 22, you have heard that it was said to those of old you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.
1:28
Emeal Zwayne: But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever says to his brother Raqqa, shall be in danger of the council.
1:38
Emeal Zwayne: But whoever says you, fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
1:41
Oscar Navarro: I gotta tell you this is one of the most haunting verses in the New Testament.
1:47
Oscar Navarro: The way that Jesus ratchets up the law to convict us all, like so many people wanna be like.
1:55
Oscar Navarro: Oh, you know, god in the Old Testament was so full of wrath and God in the New Testament is Jesus and he's so full of love.
2:02
Oscar Navarro: But man read the New Testament it's like he turns the volume up on love, for sure, but he also turns the volume way up on judgment and on the law ["The Blind"].
2:23
Emeal Zwayne: The blind leading the blind.
2:25
Emeal Zwayne: It blows my mind how the blind can lead the blind.
2:31
Emeal Zwayne: Mark Spence.
2:34
Mark Spence: Wait, wait.
2:34
Mark Spence: My name is the first thing that comes up in your mouth.
2:37
Ray Comfort: I was gonna say I'm glad it wasn't me.
2:39
Emeal Zwayne: You think that song was a random.
2:40
Emeal Zwayne: You don't think that there's a connection there?
2:42
Emeal Zwayne: I think it was off key no.
2:46
Oscar Navarro: There was no key.
2:47
Emeal Zwayne: No, there was no key to be on it.
2:50
Mark Spence: The key to singing is to be on key.
2:53
Emeal Zwayne: It was absolutely perfect, Mark God.
2:56
Ray Comfort: But isn't that like self-righteousness?
2:57
Ray Comfort: We all think we're good people.
2:59
Ray Comfort: No, and we all think we sing on key, but man.
3:02
Mark Spence: Not when you know you're really good.
3:03
Mark Spence: Well, easy, let me ask you a genuine question Do you think you're a?
3:07
Oscar Navarro: Be honest.
3:08
Oscar Navarro: A singer Be honest.
3:10
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, personally, I don't know any singer better than me.
3:15
Emeal Zwayne: I'll tell you, you don't know any singers.
3:18
Mark Spence: My son, ethan, said that he loves your singing.
3:20
Mark Spence: Stop it.
3:21
Emeal Zwayne: What Deceitously no.
3:23
Emeal Zwayne: Ethan's a brilliant and genius man.
3:27
Ray Comfort: But he's also deaf.
3:28
Oscar Navarro: He's also deaf.
3:30
Emeal Zwayne: Did you not know that, mark?
3:32
Emeal Zwayne: You're very blind and you didn't see that coming?
3:36
Emeal Zwayne: You and I were traveling together recently.
3:38
Emeal Zwayne: We went to Puerto Rico and on our way back there was a gate at the airport and I told you the gate and you and I were walking, and you can't do the chase, no, and next thing we know we were very, very, very, very, very far beyond our gate and you blamed me.
3:59
Mark Spence: Yes, yeah, I just need a moment.
4:03
Mark Spence: Why did you do that?
4:05
Emeal Zwayne: You were leading us to the gate.
4:07
Emeal Zwayne: I was not.
4:07
Emeal Zwayne: You were leading us to the gate.
4:09
Emeal Zwayne: You said, what's the gate?
4:10
Emeal Zwayne: And you were leading us.
4:12
Emeal Zwayne: I told you the gate and then you were Mark.
4:14
Emeal Zwayne: When we traveled, you were ahead of me.
4:15
Emeal Zwayne: Mark, you always lead when we travel.
4:17
Emeal Zwayne: You know, I can't find my way out of my bathtub and I will lead Ray because Ray will lead us.
4:23
Mark Spence: Ray will lead us astray.
4:25
Ray Comfort: That's true, and when you and I travel, we are not in the wrong part of the airport.
4:29
Emeal Zwayne: It's insane.
4:30
Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, we're leaders of this ministry, well, you aren't.
4:34
Emeal Zwayne: We have no idea where we're going or what we're doing.
4:38
Emeal Zwayne: I have, seriously.
4:39
Emeal Zwayne: What is it with that?
4:40
Emeal Zwayne: Why am I so bad Ray?
4:41
Emeal Zwayne: You're worse than me.
4:43
Ray Comfort: I'm 100 times worse.
4:44
Ray Comfort: I've got the directions of a dead goose.
4:45
Ray Comfort: Seriously, I cannot.
4:47
Ray Comfort: I am my own city or got lost.
4:51
Mark Spence: I came out of a truck.
4:51
Ray Comfort: I preached debt and I went in the wrong direction.
4:53
Ray Comfort: I told Sorenge she couldn't believe.
4:54
Ray Comfort: Well, she could.
4:56
Mark Spence: I was in New Zealand with Ray and Ray got a rental car.
4:59
Mark Spence: I think it was a rental car Either way.
5:00
Mark Spence: It was a vehicle with a stick shift and but the steering was on the other side of the car and it looks at me all right, let's go, and I'm like I can't drive.
5:07
Mark Spence: I know how to drive a stick, but the steering was on the wrong side of the car.
5:11
Ray Comfort: I'm not gonna do good on that.
5:12
Ray Comfort: It was on the left side of the road.
5:15
Oscar Navarro: When I was in London one time Sheffield England actually and some friends took me out riding on a road bike like a bicycle and talk about discombobulating, because everything's on the wrong side of the road and I'm riding a bike through like major traffic and these guys are flying, we did like 25 miles and I did not want to.
5:36
Oscar Navarro: I didn't want to be the lazy American that couldn't keep up.
5:40
Oscar Navarro: So my strategy was just to like tuck behind the guy in front of me and just hold on for your dear life.
5:45
Ray Comfort: Okay, until you get to intersections, you don't have to turn that's the frightening part, they were roundabouts.
5:49
Oscar Navarro: We were riding our bike the wrong way on a roundabout, while people were going the wrong way and everything in you was saying no.
5:56
Emeal Zwayne: I would never, ever drive in England or New Zealand, australia, whatever, on the other side of the road, no way.
6:02
Emeal Zwayne: You barely do it here, will?
6:03
Emeal Zwayne: That's true?
6:04
Emeal Zwayne: No, it's insane.
6:07
Emeal Zwayne: And I, you know, I went to the master's college for a while Years ago.
6:12
Emeal Zwayne: I took some classes and I would drive out there every single week and I still needed directions.
6:18
Emeal Zwayne: To this day I would not know how to get there.
6:20
Emeal Zwayne: I don't know what it is, I mean seriously, I do, did you see?
6:24
Emeal Zwayne: Stupidity yes, it's all of this.
6:28
Emeal Zwayne: I don't understand, because I don't have a memory problem.
6:31
Ray Comfort: Well, my son Daniel just needs to know where the sun is, to know where to go.
6:35
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I'm the same way, seriously, I will go, I'll be in an airport, I'll go in a bathroom and I'll come out, and I cannot remember which direction my car is Okay.
6:42
Ray Comfort: when you open the cupboard for glasses, do you open the cupboard for cups?
6:46
Emeal Zwayne: All the time Wrong drawers, wrong cabinet.
6:50
Ray Comfort: Yes, it's just crazy.
6:51
Ray Comfort: I think it's geniuses alike there.
6:53
Emeal Zwayne: Yes, yes, exactly, einstein didn't know, of course.
6:56
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, he didn't know where his closet was.
6:58
Ray Comfort: He didn't know where his hairbrush was.
6:59
Ray Comfort: That's true.
7:01
Emeal Zwayne: You're pretty soon, Ray.
7:02
Emeal Zwayne: No, do you know what?
7:03
Emeal Zwayne: Einstein?
7:03
Ray Comfort: said.
7:03
Ray Comfort: Einstein said I hate being recognized in public and I just said get a hair cap.
7:09
Ray Comfort: All you need to do is chop like two feet off and you wouldn't get recognized.
7:13
Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, was that just like because he was so busy being smart, he just didn't think about cutting his hair?
7:19
Emeal Zwayne: It's smart.
7:20
Ray Comfort: I don't know.
7:20
Ray Comfort: Someone gave him a fright.
7:21
Emeal Zwayne: I don't know.
7:22
Ray Comfort: He liked Phyllis Diller's precursor.
7:25
Ray Comfort: Phyllis Diller, oh what a throwback, Oscar.
7:28
Oscar Navarro: who's Phyllis Diller?
7:29
Oscar Navarro: No idea.
7:31
Emeal Zwayne: Phyllis Diller man, she was hilarious.
7:33
Emeal Zwayne: She was very dry full.
7:35
Emeal Zwayne: Are you guys that way at all with directions?
7:38
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, I know?
7:39
Mark Spence: there's some people.
7:40
Emeal Zwayne: They'll go somewhere one time and years later they can go back.
7:43
Oscar Navarro: That's Daniel that way.
7:44
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, when we were in Singapore on day two, we walked out and Kelly was like, where was that I go?
7:49
Oscar Navarro: It's right over here.
7:50
Oscar Navarro: No, I knew where.
7:51
Emeal Zwayne: I was going Seriously.
7:52
Emeal Zwayne: If I go to speak at a church and I'll go into one room, I won't know how to get back if I leave it.
7:57
Emeal Zwayne: It's crazy, Although full confession.
8:00
Oscar Navarro: Last night I got up I don't know at three o'clock in the morning to use the restroom and I walked out of my restroom and I thought I was walking in my bed and all of a sudden boom, I hit the door.
8:08
Oscar Navarro: What I was like half asleep and I went boom.
8:11
Emeal Zwayne: I was like where am I?
8:12
Emeal Zwayne: I think you have our same problem, oscar, mark, you're not good with directions.
8:16
Mark Spence: I'm very good with directions, but I'm exactly like Daniel I can be anywhere in the country and turn me around in circles.
8:24
Mark Spence: I'll tell you exactly which way north and out and west, are you?
8:27
Ray Comfort: serious.
8:27
Ray Comfort: If someone gives you directions, they go west, move north.
8:30
Ray Comfort: I haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
8:31
Oscar Navarro: I think it's easy because we're in Southern California, so we've got an ocean and a mountain.
8:35
Oscar Navarro: How do you get lost?
8:37
Oscar Navarro: You?
8:37
Emeal Zwayne: know what I mean.
8:37
Emeal Zwayne: It's when I'm like oh Texas, where everything looks the same.
8:41
Emeal Zwayne: Listen, Ray, and I fully understand this, that you no how do you?
8:45
Oscar Navarro: what are you talking about?
8:46
Emeal Zwayne: I'm sorry, the ocean's hot.
8:49
Oscar Navarro: I can't see those things.
8:51
Emeal Zwayne: I can't see those things If you told me.
8:53
Ray Comfort: I'll give you $100 to point to where Huntington beach is.
8:56
Ray Comfort: I wouldn't be able to point to it.
8:57
Ray Comfort: Let's see where is it.
8:57
Ray Comfort: It feels like it's over there.
8:59
Ray Comfort: Yes, that's right.
9:00
Ray Comfort: Okay, now listen.
9:01
Emeal Zwayne: I got it.
9:01
Emeal Zwayne: You're on your hundred If I'm living if I'm in an area that's like really familiar, like I know, like I'll know.
9:08
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, this is northeast, southwest, I know.
9:10
Emeal Zwayne: The sun sets in the west, rises in the east.
9:12
Emeal Zwayne: What are you doing, mark?
9:13
Emeal Zwayne: That was you, I know.
9:14
Emeal Zwayne: Do you see how I automatically?
9:20
Mark Spence: blame Mark.
9:20
Mark Spence: I rolled my water cup lid towards easy.
9:25
Ray Comfort: It was brilliant.
9:26
Ray Comfort: It was a really good roll.
9:27
Ray Comfort: It was really good.
9:28
Ray Comfort: I wish I just got it all filled up.
9:29
Emeal Zwayne: I feel so good to blame Mark for everything.
9:31
Mark Spence: Well, it's going to ship on video.
9:32
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that's right, but no, like after a while I can know where I'm at.
9:36
Emeal Zwayne: That's East, you know, but other than that I don't get it.
9:41
Emeal Zwayne: My brother Frank, he's so good with directions Like he can get you anywhere.
9:45
Emeal Zwayne: He can remember I'm lost.
9:47
Mark Spence: Why are we still talking about?
9:48
Emeal Zwayne: this.
9:48
Emeal Zwayne: We like to talk, we've lost our sense of direction for the podcast.
9:53
Oscar Navarro: That's how we get up in these tangents All right friends.
9:55
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10:01
Emeal Zwayne: Really yeah.
10:05
Oscar Navarro: You know, people have been making fun of her her whole life for that name.
10:07
Emeal Zwayne: My name is Les Lyft.
10:08
Emeal Zwayne: If I could, if I could put more than five stars, I would.
10:12
Emeal Zwayne: Hi guys, my name is Leslie and just wanted to say that I love this podcast.
10:17
Emeal Zwayne: I always look forward to the new one.
10:19
Emeal Zwayne: This podcast has brought a lot of understanding to my life regarding certain things that I've recommended this podcast to my family and my friends.
10:26
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10:27
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10:29
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10:31
Emeal Zwayne: But I do have a question what kind of resource, even from your website, sorry, what would you best recommend to use when it comes to sharing the true word of God with a Mormon?
10:42
Emeal Zwayne: Thank you much.
10:43
Emeal Zwayne: Thank you much love and looking forward to hearing your advice.
10:47
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10:50
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10:52
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10:59
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11:01
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11:09
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11:38
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11:40
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11:41
Mark Spence: I mean, there's so many different world views that are out there, but and they all serve seemingly decent purposes, yeah, but they don't answer the dilemma that the world has, which is the sin problem.
11:53
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11:59
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12:00
Mark Spence: Yeah, that's good.
12:02
Ray Comfort: There's a good video on our second channel that's done about two or three days, has got 150,000 views and it's for Mormons talking to a short preacher.
12:11
Ray Comfort: Who's that short preacher?
12:12
Ray Comfort: Right, it was really good.
12:14
Ray Comfort: They believed in evolution, all sorts of stuff.
12:17
Emeal Zwayne: Can you imagine if they jumped Ray and beat him up?
12:19
Mark Spence: They were all like yeah look, he's a third grader, let's get him.
12:22
Oscar Navarro: Did you see?
12:22
Oscar Navarro: You were talking to a foreman.
12:24
Ray Comfort: Four, four four, four Mormons.
12:26
Emeal Zwayne: Boy, that's a tongue to the word.
12:28
Ray Comfort: All the guys are about six three, so I was talking to their knees and the girls were even late up there.
12:32
Ray Comfort: It was like the top parts of trees, they were huge.
12:36
Emeal Zwayne: More genetics yeah it must be.
12:38
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
12:39
Ray Comfort: But they were very nice.
12:40
Ray Comfort: Oh, they're always nice Mormons are.
12:42
Oscar Navarro: Nephilim.
12:44
Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, though, mormons are like some of the nicest people on the planet, but that's a part of the deception.
12:49
Emeal Zwayne: I think that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, and they are genuinely nice people.
12:55
Emeal Zwayne: Unfortunately, the disservice that so many people do to them is a play, along with their narrative that they're Christians.
13:01
Emeal Zwayne: I've been shocked by how there have been some quote unquote Christian leaders who say yeah, mormons, yeah, they love Jesus.
13:08
Emeal Zwayne: Absolutely tragic.
13:10
Emeal Zwayne: So, anyway, world religions in a nutshell from a case, and don't forget the Living Waters bug, along with the evidence study Bible, all at Oscar.
13:21
Emeal Zwayne: You do it this time.
13:22
Emeal Zwayne: I'll do the tune at the end Living.
13:23
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13:24
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13:32
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13:36
Ray Comfort: That was so beautiful, oscar.
13:38
Ray Comfort: We're moving on to the mugs right now, and cute and lovely, but we have a mug competition.
13:45
Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, Mug contest.
13:46
Emeal Zwayne: Do you remember what it was?
13:48
Ray Comfort: Yes.
13:49
Emeal Zwayne: Send in the best picture doing something crazy with one of our mugs Living.
13:53
Mark Spence: Waters, mugs, hashtag Living Waters mug Contest and the winner gets an evidence.
13:59
Mark Spence: Study Bible yes.
14:00
Oscar Navarro: Con with.
14:01
Oscar Navarro: So whatever you guys want to do, you can draw pictures on your mug Skydiving and drink out of it while skydiving Ray would love that, no, and whatever you do, take a picture and send it.
14:13
Emeal Zwayne: You have so desecrated my face with that missing tooth.
14:14
Emeal Zwayne: You love it so much.
14:17
Ray Comfort: Oscar, if the parachute doesn't open, the mug's going to break.
14:19
Ray Comfort: That's a good point.
14:21
Emeal Zwayne: Protect the mug, It'll break their fall maybe.
14:24
Oscar Navarro: So post it on your favorite social media.
14:26
Oscar Navarro: We'll be checking Instagram, twitter which is no longer called Twitter and Facebook, and use the hashtag.
14:33
Ray Comfort: Is it a knowing that it's no longer called Twitter?
14:34
Ray Comfort: Is life confusing enough without that?
14:36
Ray Comfort: How do?
14:36
Emeal Zwayne: you say?
14:37
Emeal Zwayne: You used to say I tweeted.
14:38
Emeal Zwayne: What do you say now?
14:38
Emeal Zwayne: I asked, I asked.
14:40
Ray Comfort: Yeah, my ex Sounds like a divorce.
14:43
Oscar Navarro: Use the hashtag Living Waters mug and we will find it and we will reward the winner.
14:49
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, send it in Easy.
14:52
Ray Comfort: My love for you was epitomized this morning.
14:55
Ray Comfort: I was local college and I was just about to leave at 25 minutes to get back here for the podcast and I saw a girl with blue hair.
15:02
Ray Comfort: No, did you stop her?
15:04
Ray Comfort: I did.
15:05
Ray Comfort: They came up and said, oh, what a cute doll.
15:07
Ray Comfort: This guy was so colorful with her and she had this bright blue hair.
15:10
Ray Comfort: It wasn't natural and I had that and I thought, oh easy.
15:15
Ray Comfort: As a time fanatic, you know you're going to be turning in your grave if you're called the late Amiel.
15:20
Emeal Zwayne: Swain when you die, but you made it on time.
15:23
Ray Comfort: Yeah, because I didn't interview them.
15:24
Ray Comfort: But I said if you see me, wave me down.
15:26
Ray Comfort: Ray you know why.
15:29
Emeal Zwayne: How do you feel?
15:30
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I feel terrible.
15:31
Ray Comfort: I would have been late.
15:32
Ray Comfort: I'm entering the gospel.
15:32
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I would have been late.
15:35
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, come on Seriously, don't ever hesitate with that, really, no, okay, I know where they're having lunch.
15:42
Ray Comfort: This is like the Good.
15:42
Oscar Navarro: Samaritan all over again.
15:44
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, all right friends.
15:46
Emeal Zwayne: Time to jump into the topic of the day, examining what compels people to murder.
15:52
Emeal Zwayne: Whoa that's ominous.
15:55
Ray Comfort: How come you said murder Just normal.
15:57
Ray Comfort: That's bitter.
16:00
Emeal Zwayne: Well look, yeah, murder is a boy.
16:04
Emeal Zwayne: It's crazy.
16:06
Ray Comfort: What's a worse word than murder, manslaughter?
16:09
Ray Comfort: Yeah, wait, wait wait, that's Brian.
16:12
Emeal Zwayne: Regan, that's Brian.
16:13
Ray Comfort: Regan, that's Brian Regan, yeah.
16:15
Mark Spence: Yeah, that's right.
16:17
Ray Comfort: He just said this, and there's no worse word than manslaughter.
16:20
Emeal Zwayne: No, he's like, he's guilty of manslaughter.
16:24
Ray Comfort: Keep your false teeth.
16:26
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, there's water damage on spitting everywhere.
16:29
Ray Comfort: We've just learned that you can't say slaughter without spreading water.
16:32
Emeal Zwayne: That's slaughter.
16:33
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that does have a.
16:35
Emeal Zwayne: It's horrible, Crazy yeah.
16:37
Ray Comfort: And it's not even as bad as murder.
16:39
Ray Comfort: It's one down from murder, Manslaughter.
16:40
Ray Comfort: You're not as guilty.
16:41
Mark Spence: Yeah, you run something over.
16:42
Mark Spence: It's not premeditated, yeah, but it's manslaughter.
16:44
Ray Comfort: Yeah Well, friends, exodus 2013.
16:47
Ray Comfort: Where's the women in there, would I say.
16:50
Ray Comfort: Men, no manslaughter.
16:52
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that's true.
16:52
Emeal Zwayne: I'm surprised, yeah, I'm surprised the liberals aren't like fighting for that one we want women's slaughter, people's slaughter.
16:59
Emeal Zwayne: People's slaughter.
17:00
Emeal Zwayne: Oh boy, look at what we're laughing at.
17:04
Ray Comfort: This was slaughter.
17:05
Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, we have been looking at some of the commandments, as I mentioned last time, that we haven't touched on yet in the 200 almost episodes oh, over 200.
17:15
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah yeah, yeah, wow, 300,000 downloads.
17:18
Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, praise the Lord, thank you guys.
17:20
Ray Comfort: I'm trying to reach the husband.
17:21
Emeal Zwayne: All right.
17:22
Emeal Zwayne: Exodus 2013.
17:24
Emeal Zwayne: Amen.
17:26
Mark Spence: You shall not murder.
17:30
Emeal Zwayne: You know, guys, this is the one commandment that people will always go to.
17:35
Ray Comfort: You're going to get a yaw.
17:37
Emeal Zwayne: Yaw.
17:37
Ray Comfort: Yaw.
17:37
Ray Comfort: So you know, guys, yaw.
17:38
Emeal Zwayne: How yaw done.
17:39
Emeal Zwayne: It's the one commandment that people will typically go to when we confront them with the commandments or before we do, and they'll typically say, well, I've never murdered anyone.
17:51
Ray Comfort: I got a guy that had Stop yeah, freak me out what yes he had Tell us.
17:56
Ray Comfort: Tell the people I just asked has he ever killed anyone?
17:59
Ray Comfort: He actually confessed it.
18:00
Ray Comfort: Yes, he could tell, yeah, that he had.
18:04
Ray Comfort: He was guilty of murder.
18:05
Ray Comfort: He says can I be forgiven?
18:06
Ray Comfort: Oh, it was very heavy Somewhere on YouTube.
18:10
Ray Comfort: Did you cut that interview?
18:11
Emeal Zwayne: short.
18:11
Emeal Zwayne: No, no, I didn't, yeah, but you know it's never ending, it seems, the stories that you continue to hear.
18:22
Emeal Zwayne: I just watched a video that came up as I was just preparing for this, about a boy that murdered his mom, and I'm sitting there looking at this young man.
18:36
Emeal Zwayne: He was being interrogated, you know, by the police officer.
18:38
Emeal Zwayne: He was 17.
18:40
Emeal Zwayne: And he was adopted by this woman.
18:43
Emeal Zwayne: He was a single mom and he put an axe to her head while she was sleeping and he's sitting there and they're interrogating him.
18:52
Emeal Zwayne: and they didn't have enough evidence to arrest him the first time, so they let him go and they started to do some more investigation and they discovered he had taken down the security cameras, or around the house, inside, outside he threw them in the river.
19:06
Emeal Zwayne: They were able to, through the phone, recognize that he lied because he said he called from the house, but he called by from the lake, rather down by the house.
19:14
Emeal Zwayne: And so then that's what made them go and dive into the lake and they discovered the cameras.
19:19
Emeal Zwayne: And then it just all started cameras, yeah, he took the security cameras and threw them in the lake after, yeah, after he had murdered her.
19:26
Emeal Zwayne: You know he had made up this whole story.
19:27
Emeal Zwayne: I don't know how it happened.
19:28
Emeal Zwayne: I, we both, were taking naps and I woke up and she's dead, you know.
19:31
Emeal Zwayne: But but the second time they brought him in, what, what really just kind of gave me the chills, was when he, he said to them hey, is this gonna like, is this gonna ruin my life?
19:43
Emeal Zwayne: Because I have plans, I want to go to college, I want to do this Like no thought about what he did.
19:49
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, sociopath, yeah.
19:52
Mark Spence: Well, that's very similar to abortion.
19:54
Mark Spence: Why women get abortions.
19:56
Mark Spence: Is this going to ruin my life, right?
19:58
Mark Spence: You know it used to be.
19:59
Mark Spence: You know when I'd go through the commandments.
20:00
Mark Spence: You know we're quick to talk about murder and we segue into hatred.
20:04
Mark Spence: If you've had hatred, treat someone unjust, anger.
20:07
Mark Spence: Now I bring an abortion almost without fail.
20:11
Mark Spence: You know Ray said that he had the chance to share the gospel with someone who's actually murdered someone.
20:16
Mark Spence: But we all, if we just kind of pause, probably no murder, right?
20:20
Mark Spence: Because one out of every four women have had an abortion in the United States.
20:25
Mark Spence: So I want to prick the conscience with abortion from now on when I engage in evangelistic endeavor.
20:33
Ray Comfort: Question how do you do that without digressing too much from where you want to go?
20:37
Ray Comfort: Because as you're bringing up a wound, you're digging into a wound.
20:42
Mark Spence: Yeah, well, I say it in passing.
20:44
Mark Spence: In the same way where, when I'm talking about lying, you know, lying that includes white lies, exaggerations, half truths and fibs, okay, murder, that includes hatred of the heart, it also includes abortion.
20:54
Mark Spence: And see, I want to see the response.
20:58
Mark Spence: Right, and now here's the thing.
21:00
Mark Spence: Right, because when we use the law, it is important to look for that sin inside their life specifically.
21:08
Mark Spence: Right, what we tend to get accused of are here, they are just going through the commandments, all the commandments.
21:12
Mark Spence: No, we're actually looking for that commandment that is precious to them, yeah, that they love to violate.
21:21
Mark Spence: And once I find that I bring the full weight of that commandment down upon their shoulders, to where I want them to say well, what must I do to be saved, right, yeah, now, when we do an open air, it's much different, you know, because we make sure that we always get to the gospel because it's recorded and there's.
21:38
Mark Spence: You don't know who's listening, yeah, but when we engage in a dialogue, there's sometimes where we don't end up getting to the gospel.
21:44
Mark Spence: Now, that's what we want to do, that is our aim, but because some people plant in other people water, it's not necessary always if the time doesn't permit itself or the person is just hard hearted against what you're doing to not get to the gospel.
21:59
Mark Spence: I think we do a disservice when we get to the gospel, when they're not convinced that they are dying of that horrific disease called sin.
22:08
Mark Spence: Yeah, so stay as long as you need to be going through the commandments until they fill that weight and then get into the gospel.
22:17
Mark Spence: Now, if they fill it right away.
22:18
Mark Spence: I remember I was with Ray inside of an airport one time and there was a soldier that was going overseas and the guy right away had mentioned that he had broken the commandments and Ray said so you've lied and you've stolen.
22:28
Mark Spence: So, yeah, I've broken.
22:29
Mark Spence: Yes, and Ray quickly then went into the gospel.
22:32
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, a lot of the proud grace to the humble, that's exactly it.
22:35
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I had a thrill yesterday.
22:38
Ray Comfort: I was talking to a guy and right at the end I said my aim today has been to make your heart palpitate, to bring sweat to your brow, to make your mouth go dry.
22:49
Ray Comfort: And he looked at me, said my heart is thumping through my chest, oh wow.
22:52
Ray Comfort: And it's on camera too.
22:54
Ray Comfort: Yeah, he says you really made me scared and I can see why you did it and I appreciate it.
22:58
Ray Comfort: It was just beautiful.
22:59
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, ray, I love those times when in our videos I've watched you allow someone to smart under their sin.
23:07
Emeal Zwayne: I love that word where they're just like they're, you know they're starting to boil under it.
23:12
Emeal Zwayne: And then, man, when you bring in the gospel of grace and that's why, again for years you've been heralding hey, we have to let the law do its work on the conscience.
23:23
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and that's because when you bring in the good news, it makes sense.
23:26
Emeal Zwayne: And then there isn't this like oh cool, yeah, I'll give this Jesus thing a try.
23:29
Emeal Zwayne: Great, I'll do God a favor and surrender my life to him.
23:32
Emeal Zwayne: No, it's like I'm a guilty, hell deserving sinner.
23:36
Emeal Zwayne: And God did what for me.
23:39
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know.
23:40
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's my only mark real quick.
23:43
Emeal Zwayne: What was that statistic?
23:43
Mark Spence: you said how many women One out of every four women in America.
23:46
Mark Spence: What yeah?
23:47
Emeal Zwayne: 25%.
23:51
Ray Comfort: It's actually higher if you're a black woman.
23:52
Ray Comfort: Wow, I feel like women, so so that's crazy, and you know, friends.
23:56
Emeal Zwayne: on that note, we've released our movie.
23:59
Emeal Zwayne: What Is it?
23:59
Emeal Zwayne: So make sure to check it out.
24:02
Emeal Zwayne: It's on the subject of abortion.
24:03
Emeal Zwayne: Many of you have watched it already.
24:04
Emeal Zwayne: You're saying it's the most powerful movie we've produced, and so make sure to check it out.
24:07
Ray Comfort: It's on.
24:08
Emeal Zwayne: YouTube.
24:08
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's on YouTube.
24:09
Emeal Zwayne: Share it with others.
24:11
Oscar Navarro: I, too, have shared the gospel with people who have taken life.
24:14
Oscar Navarro: I want to be careful here, but I do want to use this example.
24:17
Oscar Navarro: I want to be careful for privacy purposes.
24:19
Oscar Navarro: So what I'll say is my wife has this amazing opportunity to work at a horse therapy center, and that horse therapy center uses Are you serious?
24:30
Oscar Navarro: Yes, uses equestrian horses to help children with disabilities, can't walk.
24:36
Ray Comfort: Oh, horse therapy.
24:37
Ray Comfort: See, I was thinking of a horse lying on its back on the couch.
24:39
Ray Comfort: There we go.
24:43
Mark Spence: Only a raised mind would go there, absolutely.
24:45
Emeal Zwayne: Well, and Oscar has cried wolf so many times with his dad.
24:47
Ray Comfort: He just don't know Horse therapy.
24:49
Ray Comfort: He's positioned as a pony.
24:56
Oscar Navarro: There's a joke there somewhere.
24:57
Oscar Navarro: So anyway, they help children with disabilities and a major portion of what they do is help veterans, and many of the veterans that come through the program struggle with a lot of guilt.
25:09
Oscar Navarro: And my wife is amazing.
25:12
Oscar Navarro: Every now and then a few times now men will approach her because she knows, they know she's a Christian and they'll start to probe and ask questions and she'll be like you should really talk to my husband.
25:23
Oscar Navarro: And so I've been able to sit down with these guys and share the gospel with them through this thing, this one particular individual we were talking through the gospel, and he ends up confessing to me that in war, desert storm, that he took the life of 12 year old, a 13 year old, a 15 year old.
25:41
Oscar Navarro: Not only did he do it, but, because of in the theater of war, he did it with anger and pride.
25:47
Oscar Navarro: He was told to do it by his commanders.
25:52
Oscar Navarro: This is what we need to do.
25:53
Oscar Navarro: And these guys come back with all of this shame and guilt, and then, on top of that, they've got like all they have is people saying, no, no, that's great, you're a hero.
26:03
Oscar Navarro: But something in their conscience is telling them that they did was wrong, that it's not the way the world intended to be.
26:11
Oscar Navarro: And so, whether you're a veteran of war, whether you've committed murder a friend or family member, or whether it's abortion man, we all need the gospel, and the beauty of God's portion is that people were so confused because, when Jesus showed up, the kind of like people he ran with were prostitutes and tax collectors.
26:40
Oscar Navarro: They were not the people that you would expect to see.
26:43
Oscar Navarro: And there's one particular story in the New Testament that I cling to in moments like that, which is the story of this man's walking from one desert city to another.
26:53
Oscar Navarro: And this man is a murderer.
26:56
Oscar Navarro: He was paid to drag Christians out of their home, women and children, and kill them.
27:02
Oscar Navarro: And on his road he meets Jesus.
27:06
Oscar Navarro: And Jesus takes that terrorist, that murderer, and he converts him, he saves his soul and then he makes him one of the most prolific church planters and authors of the New Testament, who are you talking about?
27:22
Mark Spence: Of course, this is Paul, right.
27:25
Oscar Navarro: And so the point of this is that God's not done with you.
27:28
Oscar Navarro: Ray says it all the time, like if there's still breath in you.
27:32
Oscar Navarro: God is not done with you.
27:33
Oscar Navarro: No matter what you have done, god intends to use you.
27:37
Oscar Navarro: He will use you for his glory.
27:42
Oscar Navarro: Prostitutes, tax collectors, murderers these are the people that God's used.
27:47
Ray Comfort: Amen, that's Mark that says that.
27:49
Ray Comfort: Oh sorry.
27:50
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, it's important to remember that, very, very important, because Paul the Apostle, like you said, he was putting Christians to death.
28:03
Ray Comfort: He was on the road to damnation when Jesus stopped him.
28:06
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I mean, he was the one at whose feet they cast their tunics and killed Stephen, and he was giving consent.
28:14
Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, guys, I mean murder, it's an epidemic.
28:19
Emeal Zwayne: In 2019, an estimated 475,000 people worldwide were victims of homicide murder.
28:27
Ray Comfort: And in the US.
28:27
Emeal Zwayne: According to one website, in the US it's only 50% success rate in homicides yeah, or success rate yeah in fact, between 2022 and 2023, over 8,000 people so far 2023, has been over have been murdered in the US, Not including abortion.
28:44
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, exactly, and that's right, Mark, because we leave that one out.
28:48
Ray Comfort: And that's when it's against the law to murder people.
28:50
Ray Comfort: Can you imagine if law was withdrawn and what would happen?
28:54
Ray Comfort: Even on LA freeways, everyone's allowed a gatling gun in the front of their cars.
28:58
Ray Comfort: Yeah, and you could take the life of anyone.
28:59
Ray Comfort: That really annoyed you.
29:00
Ray Comfort: We would.
29:00
Ray Comfort: You made it to be wiped out in 24 hours.
29:02
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, and you know it's in the human heart to be that way.
29:09
Emeal Zwayne: You think of what it says in 1 John, 3, 10 to 12.
29:12
Emeal Zwayne: It says In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest.
29:16
Emeal Zwayne: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
29:20
Emeal Zwayne: For this is a message that you heard from the beginning that we should love one another, not as Cain, who is of the wicked one and murdered his brother.
29:28
Emeal Zwayne: And why did he murder him?
29:30
Emeal Zwayne: Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
29:33
Emeal Zwayne: And so scripture is harkening back to the first murder that was ever committed, and it's contrasting what we should be like from the way that Cain was.
29:44
Emeal Zwayne: And I mean, it really comes down to that.
29:46
Emeal Zwayne: Mark, you referenced it earlier, but Jesus talked about the spiritual elements of the law Matthew 5, 21 to 22.
29:54
Emeal Zwayne: Ray, you raised thy hand.
29:57
Ray Comfort: I wonder if Cain was shocked with the result of what he did to us, because no one had died.
30:01
Ray Comfort: I don't think no one had been murdered.
30:04
Ray Comfort: Oh, and he just anger consumed him.
30:06
Ray Comfort: What he hit him on the head was something I don't know.
30:09
Emeal Zwayne: The scripture A rock A rock.
30:11
Ray Comfort: And um he died.
30:12
Ray Comfort: I wonder if he was shocked that his brother died.
30:15
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I know, he's a head case Too soon.
30:19
Ray Comfort: Rock contest.
30:21
Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, I think you know the things that end up leading to murder.
30:28
Emeal Zwayne: They always begin in the heart.
30:30
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, amen, you don't just.
30:32
Emeal Zwayne: You know, you're just not having a nice day whistling walking down the road, oh pfft.
30:35
Emeal Zwayne: And just someone walking your way.
30:36
Emeal Zwayne: No, we try walking towards South Central LA.
30:39
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's true, maybe it is a sport in some places.
30:42
Emeal Zwayne: But Matthew 5, 21 to 22, you have heard that it was said to those of old you shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.
30:49
Emeal Zwayne: But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment, and whoever says to his brother Rocka, shall be in danger of the counsel, but whoever says you, fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
31:02
Oscar Navarro: I gotta tell you this is one of the most hunting verses in the New Testament.
31:08
Oscar Navarro: The way that Jesus ratchets up the law to convict us all.
31:15
Oscar Navarro: So many people want to be like.
31:16
Oscar Navarro: Oh you know, god in the Old Testament was so full of wrath and God in the New Testament is Jesus and he's so full of love.
31:23
Oscar Navarro: But man read the New Testament it's like he turns the volume up on love, for sure, but he also turns the volume way up on judgment and on the law.
31:34
Oscar Navarro: And this is the thing is that this verse, like it, puts us all in the seat of the murderer who is not guilty.
31:43
Oscar Navarro: We are all utterly guilty.
31:45
Oscar Navarro: When I read this, I'm just like what can I do?
31:49
Ray Comfort: And Jesus didn't change anything Says a Messiah Isaiah, isaiah 42, I think it is he shall magnify the law and make it honorable.
31:57
Ray Comfort: He gives us a magnifying glass to see what it actually says.
32:01
Ray Comfort: And that's when you just talk about the volume coming up.
32:04
Ray Comfort: That's what he was doing, yeah.
32:07
Emeal Zwayne: And you know, it comes down to recognizing what we're capable of as people, apart from God and because of our sinful nature.
32:18
Emeal Zwayne: Have you?
32:18
Ray Comfort: ever found murder in your heart as a Christian.
32:21
Oscar Navarro: Have you ever driven the 91 freeway?
32:23
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I usually say that that's going to say that really brings it out.
32:26
Emeal Zwayne: And it does not.
32:27
Ray Comfort: Yeah, you think.
32:27
Ray Comfort: Praise the Lord, I love you, jesus, I love you, don't worry.
32:32
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, it's insane you know For those of you who don't know, we live in Southern California and the 91 freeway.
32:38
Oscar Navarro: There's this little section called the orange crush which I've heard people say before it is like the worst designed spot, like five mile stretch of freeway in all of America.
32:48
Oscar Navarro: And it's just you can be driving at two o'clock in the morning and you're going to be in two hours of traffic For whatever reason.
32:54
Oscar Navarro: It's just an utter nightmare.
32:56
Oscar Navarro: And this is you'll every now and then hear us talk about the 91.
32:59
Ray Comfort: Every Saturday I get up on the 605, I've got to cross I think it's the 91 and I've got to get across five lanes in 20 seconds and I get on it 30 miles an hour, my little V-dub 35 miles an hour.
33:11
Ray Comfort: I've got to get to 70 in that thing and I know behind me are a whole stack of SUVs yelling out get out of my way and I'm saying please, let me live, let me live.
33:21
Ray Comfort: I was like go across and yeah, I have what you're saying, but I imagine you playing Frogger.
33:26
Emeal Zwayne: It's almost like that it is yeah.
33:29
Oscar Navarro: Yeah.
33:30
Emeal Zwayne: And, look, I think it would be good for us to camp out a bit on how do we proactively love, so that it, honestly speaking, of order the guy who said Alexander's phone's off?
33:46
Ray Comfort: Yeah, I thought mine was off.
33:47
Ray Comfort: Yeah, it makes me think it's not really loud.
33:50
Ray Comfort: Oh, it's Stona's.
33:52
Ray Comfort: Given a quarter of a million dollars.
33:53
Ray Comfort: Oh, is that okay, whatever.
33:57
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
33:57
Emeal Zwayne: So I think that we need to talk about how can we proactively walk in love so that we then by default proactively isolate ourselves or, I'm sorry, insulate ourselves from giving into that murder's hatred in our heart.
34:15
Emeal Zwayne: And I think first Sean 420 puts it well if someone says I love God and hates his brother, he is a liar, for he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
34:30
Emeal Zwayne: And I remember years ago, as a newer believer, talking to this young lady who was a part of a Bible study that I was a leader of, and she was just openly talking about how she hated someone and she turned out to be a false convert, and I think that's always a good indicator.
34:48
Emeal Zwayne: Like it's one thing to struggle with feelings of hatred, it's another thing to justify them, give into them and walk in them.
34:56
Ray Comfort: Right, hate it when people do that.
35:00
Emeal Zwayne: Your eyes are full of hate.
35:01
Emeal Zwayne: 64.
35:02
Emeal Zwayne: What number was he?
35:05
Emeal Zwayne: I always forget his number.
35:06
Ray Comfort: Your eyes are full of hate.
35:07
Ray Comfort: 41.
35:08
Ray Comfort: What is he?
35:08
Ray Comfort: 41.
35:09
Ray Comfort: Yes, that's good, that's inflation.
35:10
Ray Comfort: That you hit, that's from being her when he was rowing the boat.
35:15
Ray Comfort: Oscar, please tell me you've watched.
35:16
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I have watched, been her.
35:17
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I've watched the great, great, great grandfather.
35:19
Oscar Navarro: I'm going to watch it with him on the old black and white.
35:22
Ray Comfort: No, I'm joking, I'm joking oh good, it's Calvin Houston.
35:27
Oscar Navarro: You know we've talked often on this podcast about the upside down kingdom, and I think this is a good reminder to us about how different God's kingdom is for the rest of the world and how, in him bringing about the kingdom of God that is so upside down, that is so in reverse of the kingdom of man, how it's going to naturally cause us to continually realize the areas of our heart in which we need grace.
35:54
Oscar Navarro: And so it's funny that we talked about driving the wrong way when in different countries because that's actually a lot like one of my favorite scholars in his commentary on the upside down kingdom uses exactly that.
36:06
Oscar Navarro: He says imagine all the Christians woke up one day and was like let's start, we're here in the United States, but let's start driving backwards on the wrong way.
36:14
Oscar Navarro: Streets, right, they'd start just mucking everything up making a muck of it.
36:21
Mark Spence: All Right, that's pretty un-American.
36:23
Oscar Navarro: You have to go the extra kilometer.
36:25
Oscar Navarro: That's right.
36:26
Oscar Navarro: And it's similar like my bike ride, like my bike ride through Shuffield, like we were going the wrong way and it was just.
36:34
Oscar Navarro: It was a mess.
36:35
Oscar Navarro: And here's the thing is that when we live as Christians in an upside down way, doing things so differently than the world around us, it's going to cause friction.
36:46
Oscar Navarro: We're going to get into accidents, we're going to be bumping into people, and what's going to happen naturally is that we are going to get upset.
36:54
Oscar Navarro: We're going to be like don't you see, you're going the wrong way.
36:56
Oscar Navarro: This is the way of Jesus.
36:59
Oscar Navarro: You're going the wrong way and by nature, by our nature, we're going to get angry.
37:05
Oscar Navarro: And so what do we do with that?
37:08
Oscar Navarro: You know what do we do with that?
37:10
Oscar Navarro: What we need to do is realize that God is continually at work, revealing to us our need for grace, even in the midst of us being in his kingdom.
37:22
Ray Comfort: Oh, right, that's great.
37:23
Ray Comfort: I heard something.
37:24
Ray Comfort: Sorry, I got to say this.
37:25
Ray Comfort: It's very important.
37:26
Ray Comfort: I heard a joint where a wife called her husband says honey, be careful.
37:29
Ray Comfort: I've heard there's a guy going the wrong way and the 405.
37:31
Ray Comfort: He said what do you mean A guy going the wrong way?
37:34
Emeal Zwayne: He's gone the wrong way.
37:35
Emeal Zwayne: It was him.
37:37
Emeal Zwayne: Go ahead, Mark.
37:40
Ray Comfort: That was so important to get it out.
37:42
Mark Spence: Randy Smith was asking the question how did we get here as a society, as a country?
37:47
Mark Spence: And he said well, we laugh at the crude put downs and we call it comedy.
37:50
Mark Spence: We treat others rudely, with insensitivity to their perspective, and we call it debate.
37:56
Mark Spence: We destroy others property in the streets, and we call it justifiable anger or justifiable celebration.
38:03
Mark Spence: We demonize our opponents and we call it free speech.
38:07
Mark Spence: We gossip and slander others and we call it news.
38:10
Mark Spence: We attack people of faith in the most vicious ways and we call it liberation, freedom of religion.
38:18
Mark Spence: We kill babies and we call it choice.
38:20
Mark Spence: This is how we got here.
38:22
Mark Spence: This is what is happening.
38:23
Mark Spence: We're kind of desensitized to it.
38:25
Mark Spence: And Henry Ward Beecher?
38:26
Mark Spence: He said if thoughts of hatred were thunder and lightning, there would be a storm over the whole earth all year round, for hatred fills the land.
38:34
Emeal Zwayne: Wow yeah it abounds, and it's Such a clear indicator that we are fallen.
38:45
Emeal Zwayne: It's such a clear indicator that Satan is alive and well, that the fallen nature is at work, that we're lost.
38:55
Emeal Zwayne: When you contrast it with the sweetness of love, I mean, what is it with those videos that we'll see online where someone is doing an act of kindness for a person, just taking their shoes off and giving them to a homeless person who doesn't have shoes?
39:13
Emeal Zwayne: Like something were moved, like something in us goes Right, right, talks about.
39:17
Mark Spence: you know it makes the news when somebody returns a wallet.
39:19
Mark Spence: Yeah a human being did something good.
39:22
Ray Comfort: Whoa, that's national news.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's so true, yeah, and we need to get back to that place where we recognize that the gospel is the only hope for this world.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know, I was so full of hatred before I got saved.
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Ray Comfort: You're kidding.
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Emeal Zwayne: No, seriously, yeah, I was you didn't know that.
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Ray Comfort: No, I didn't.
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Ray Comfort: Mark was a burglar.
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Emeal Zwayne: You were.
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Ray Comfort: Mark.
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Ray Comfort: Mark landed the steel James and Oscar was Oscar the atheist, and I'm talking to new creatures here.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, well, remember I had my bedroom walls and my closet doors were covered with posters because there were holes in them, because I would get so mad and just start punching them.
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Emeal Zwayne: Really, yeah, I mean, there were times.
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Emeal Zwayne: I just had this.
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Ray Comfort: Oh, there is.
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Ray Comfort: This is just gonna say are you all finished, Show us on Oscar what you would do with the wall Ah.
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Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, you know, I really was and it just it consumed me and you know I would get in fights.
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Emeal Zwayne: I one time I broke my knuckle in a fight in the bathroom because this boy we're on a bus.
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Oscar Navarro: What was her name?
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Emeal Zwayne: We were on a bus going on a field trip and some boy said your mom wears army boots.
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Ray Comfort: Is that?
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Emeal Zwayne: what stood up anger in you.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh well, I said, your mom wears high heel pumps.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh no, your dad wears high heel pumps.
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Emeal Zwayne: Is that what you said back then?
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, and then.
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Emeal Zwayne: This is what happened.
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Mark Spence: Yeah, your mom wears army boots, your dad wears high heel pumps and you were just upset that he was like he knew things that he shouldn't know Too soon.
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Emeal Zwayne: Too soon we get off the bus, we get off the bus and I think we got a little fine.
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Emeal Zwayne: Anyway, the next morning I go in the bathroom, you know, I see him and he said something to me again and we just I just lost it on him.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean I would, I would go aggro when I would fight in the world and arms flailing fist, and just You'd make that noise, yeah.
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Ray Comfort: Please, Oscar.
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Emeal Zwayne: Anyway, I ended up finding out later I broke my knuckle, you know, in that fight.
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Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, I just I had this thing in me where I would just explode, you know.
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Emeal Zwayne: And then Christ invaded me and the immediate distinction in my heart, just this love filled me for the people that I hated and detested.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean Mark, you know, trent Douglas and I we were enemies in high school hated this guy and we ended up becoming pastors together, you know.
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Ray Comfort: I felt his love take the sword out of my hand.
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Ray Comfort: I think that's similar to what Charlton Houston said in the end of the year, and that's what Jesus does.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, amen.
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Emeal Zwayne: And you know, I think it goes back to what it says in Genesis nine six whoever sheds man's blood by man, his blood shall be shed for in the image of God he made man.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean, that's key too.
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Oscar Navarro: Yeah, all right man.
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Emeal Zwayne: No, it's with me.
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Emeal Zwayne: But you know MacArthur said to take the life of a fellow human being is to assault the sacredness of the image of God, and that's why murder is heinous, because you are obliterating the image of God that is replaced in another person.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's key.
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Oscar Navarro: That's key to understanding the moral aspect and that's also key to understanding the gospel in the midst of all of this.
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Oscar Navarro: The moral aspect is that why is it not wrong for me to take the life of that delicious chicken I had for lunch the other day?
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Oscar Navarro: Why is it not wrong for me to, you know, take the life of a cow to eat it?
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Oscar Navarro: Why?
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Oscar Navarro: Because those things aren't made in the image of God, but we human beings are the only thing in all of creation that bear the image of God, that have the possibility to reflect his glory into the world and back to himself.
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Oscar Navarro: And here's where the gospel is is that God, being the creator of us, is the only one that has the right to take a life.
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Oscar Navarro: He who gives life is the only one that has the right to take a life, and in his son, jesus Christ, who had the right to take our lives instead, he gave his life for us so that, all the times that we commit murder in our hearts, we can be forgiven and set free from that enslaving, reigning power of sin to live, to love our neighbors and to love God.
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Ray Comfort: And, as I felt his voice, take the sword out of my hand.
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Ray Comfort: Who was it?
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Ray Comfort: You'd have been her, oh that's right.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that's right.
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Ray Comfort: I remember that.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, mark, you will often engage with people on this when they say you say you shall not murder.
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Emeal Zwayne: Look at all the people God killed.
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Emeal Zwayne: And it is very important for the Christian to learn how to push that truth that, listen, god is the author of life.
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Emeal Zwayne: He gives it, he takes it.
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Emeal Zwayne: And, by the way, what's wrong with that?
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean you're saying morality is relative.
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Mark Spence: Yeah, multiple angles you could take on that.
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Mark Spence: By what standard do you accuse God of wrongdoing?
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Mark Spence: I mean, if we're just evolved monkeys, you're saying monkey say murder bad, but there's no objective standard by which you accuse God of wrongdoing.
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Mark Spence: And then, if murder is so bad, just curious, how do you feel about abortion?
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Mark Spence: And usually these are the same people that say well, I believe it's a woman's right to choose and respond with all right.
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Mark Spence: So a woman can choose to do this, but God can't.
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Mark Spence: But, truth be told, as race says, we're all on death row.
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Mark Spence: God has commanded the death sentence upon all of us, but we, as Christians, it's different.
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Mark Spence: I don't remember who said it, but there's a lyric that goes something like now, as a Christian, I see the world, I wanna see the world through the holes in your hands, and that's very important.
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Mark Spence: That to have compassion upon the world, we need to see the world the way the Lord sees the world and he has compassion upon the world and upon people.
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Mark Spence: They're sheep without a shepherd.
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Mark Spence: And but by the grace of God, there goes, you and I.
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Emeal Zwayne: I don't know if you guys remember that one video in which I was sharing the gospel with a Catholic man in Huntington and he asked me about murder and I think he was a veteran and I began to share with him about God's heart and how even murders can be forgiven.
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Emeal Zwayne: I talked about Paul the apostle and others and I remember him saying he's like I'm beginning to feel my soul being set free, and it really moved me because I think there are a lot of people who have so many misconceptions, not just about murder but about and it's important, Oscar, I like the point you made earlier that sometimes there's two sides to that coin.
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Emeal Zwayne: There are those who were in just wars and that took life in that regard and scripture doesn't condemn that but yet they could be in a just war and take lives that could have maybe justly have been taken, but they have murder in their heart and that's guilt before God in that regard.
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Emeal Zwayne: But nonetheless, no matter what anyone has done, I think there are a lot of people that have these misconceptions in different religions or even some cults or some that would claim to be Christian, and they're just bound because they think there's no hope for me, there's no way I can be forgiven.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean, Paul the apostle called himself the chief of sinners and he was.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, he was involved in the murder of Christians and look what God did.
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Emeal Zwayne: And he said he was an example, a pattern to others.
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Emeal Zwayne: If he can be saved, anyone can be.
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Emeal Zwayne: So, friends, there's hope, no matter what you've done, how much sin you've committed, maybe even listening to this podcast, like some of you have told us, half for a long time that aren't believers, that aren't Christians.
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Emeal Zwayne: We hope that today will be the day that you recognize the beauty of the gospel, that there is no sin that is beyond the grace of God, and if you repent and place your faith in him and receive his gift of grace, you will have redemption and transformation.
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Emeal Zwayne: So we hope you do that today.
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Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: Ray got nervous because he thought I was gonna end serious.
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Emeal Zwayne: Don't end on a serious night, Isaiah.
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Ray Comfort: I don't wanna disappoint some people.
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Ray Comfort: Don't day that.
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Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, don't forget world religions.
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