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We're Still Not Impressed With Zuffa Boxing · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, U standing at six foot five, weight
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  Speaker 1: class unknowns, but hailing from the city of Sands. Put
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  Speaker 1: your hands together for Jamison Welch. And in this corner,
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  Speaker 1: standing at five foot ten, weighing in at pound and
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  Speaker 1: coming to us from his super secret bunker with no
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  Speaker 1: AC in Tucson, Arizona. Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the episode of Mixed Company Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's gonna be a short one or not,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a lot of box over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I'm one half of the show. I'm Jamison,
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  Speaker 1: joined by Luis as always, Luise, what's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Jameson Very happy to be back on the mic.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes we're like, we'll keep this sort of shorter,
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  Speaker 2: but the conversation is so good it just we go
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  Speaker 2: extra fifteen to twenty minutes. But hey, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: as long as the vibe is right, we're gonna I
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  Speaker 2: love doing the show, so you know, as long as
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  Speaker 2: you don't bore people. But yeah, let's get right into it.
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  Speaker 2: Over the weekend, a couple of fights that we wanted
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, the main one being the return of
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  Speaker 2: Earl Spence the final fight that he will be ever
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  Speaker 2: having against Tim Zoo in Australia. H Man, let's just
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  Speaker 2: say I'll start by saying this, that should have ended
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  Speaker 2: with Earl Spence knocking out being knocked out based on
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  Speaker 2: that performance. I think he was very tired, very sluggish
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  Speaker 2: by you know, let's say, by the halfway mark, and
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  Speaker 2: I think speaks more to Tim Zoo than he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: able to knock Earl Spence out. But what's your take
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  Speaker 2: on what happened on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of it. But I also think there's a
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  Speaker 1: certain respect amongst boxers that they can tell somebody is
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  Speaker 1: not what they used to be, or not out one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent, or not really a threat, and they cond
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  Speaker 1: of take it easy on them, especially when the outcome
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  Speaker 1: is not in doubt. When you know you're winning on
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  Speaker 1: all the cards and the other person not really a
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  Speaker 1: threat to hurt you, you kind of tend to take
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  Speaker 1: it unless you have real issues with set of person.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of guys will let someone hang
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  Speaker 1: around and it was obvious that was Spencer's last fight.
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  Speaker 1: It was as a round one. Oh, he doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: any like there's no peppitist in his step, there's no pop,
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  Speaker 1: there's no pepitist, and his punches, the movements don't look right.
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  Speaker 1: You could tell like, hey, this is he's on borrow time.
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  Speaker 1: You you could tell from the first thirty seconds to
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  Speaker 1: do like that. Nope, the same And we kind of thought,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this before. It was like, hey, Rumble's
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  Speaker 1: boy his camp and also too, there's some health issues
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  Speaker 1: he's ever recovered from and you could tell it's not
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  Speaker 1: the same boxer pre COVID. It's not not a close
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately it ended on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked last episode about how we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of concerned about Spence's health and safety in the ring.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we made a long conversation about that based
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  Speaker 2: on what you saw. Did that look like a guy
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  Speaker 2: that was just you know, past his primate ready to
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  Speaker 2: go or did that look a guy that should not
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  Speaker 2: have been in that ring? Because I would back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, it's a good question, be honest with you. I
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  Speaker 1: just think it was done. I think he's a shot
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  Speaker 1: fighter at this point. Whether he should have been in
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  Speaker 1: the ring or not, that's a whole different question. But
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  Speaker 1: it's felt like a guy that was that was he's
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  Speaker 1: been done, He's done, like and it's okay, like it's
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  Speaker 1: it's all right, it happens, but it's stilt like a
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  Speaker 1: guy I was at the end of the rope, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the road, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do totally appreciate your take that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a boxer can respect the guy and across room from
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  Speaker 2: the from the ring, especially when you know that you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna win. You know, I don't think there was I honestly,
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  Speaker 2: once the last bell rung, I walked up. It was
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  Speaker 2: it was out Saturday, it was really hot. I was
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  Speaker 2: sweating balls all day, so I just went to rinse
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  Speaker 2: off and the you know, take a shake, a quick shower.
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  Speaker 2: After the fight, I didn't even wait for the speeches,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, usually I'll hang out to you know, hear
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  Speaker 2: what folks have to say. So I didn't even hear
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  Speaker 2: Earl Spence saying on after the fight officially that he retired,
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  Speaker 2: Like wasn't a surprise honestly for the best. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: whole that whole event was weird because Stephen Fulton had
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  Speaker 2: to pull out because I believe he didn't make weight.
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  Speaker 2: And then Charlow, Jamal Charlow, he couldn't get into Australia
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  Speaker 2: because of you know whatever ligal issues of these issues.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So, I honestly I tuned in as the Spence
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  Speaker 2: fight was starting. I didn't even see if they replaced
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  Speaker 2: the fights before that. You know, it was very last minute,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't even know what happened in the in
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  Speaker 2: that event before, if people were in the ring or sorry,
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  Speaker 2: in the stadium waiting for nothing. But yeah, just all around,
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  Speaker 2: very disorganized situation. I understand that Australia has their you know,
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  Speaker 2: strict guidelines for people coming over, you know, for events
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  Speaker 2: this and that, which is fine, you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: change them. But guess what, Australia, you don't get the
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  Speaker 2: house big fights anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: That.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, on the boxer. It's on the box and the organizers.
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  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with Australia. We know the rules,
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  Speaker 1: we know the rules. It's not we can't keep making
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  Speaker 1: the people are impacted by the room rules. Just innocent, naha.
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  Speaker 1: We knew, we knew the situation everybody. It's like Canada.
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  Speaker 1: If you are a felon, you cannot go to Canada.
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  Speaker 1: It don't work. You just can't. There's no way around it.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way like nah, the people who put the
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  Speaker 1: fight together knew, good god damn well that the boxers
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  Speaker 1: had issue with paperwork. They knew that, so you know
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  Speaker 1: that going in. I can't fault the country. Now, if
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  Speaker 1: you had a situation where the country was allowing them
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  Speaker 1: to come in under a special thing and that didn't work,
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  Speaker 1: totally different circumstances. But that was not the case here
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, And I'm not saying again, I'm not saying Australia's
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  Speaker 2: changed the way that they they do things and they
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  Speaker 2: have host events of this and that, but when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to big fights, it's like we already had trouble
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  Speaker 2: with I think was it Bill Haney a couple of
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  Speaker 2: fights ago? Yeah, and it just keeps coming up. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: why how about this fine? We can say? The promoter
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  Speaker 2: is if it's going to be that much trouble just
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  Speaker 2: like skim it, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was like why we have a fights?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, is there that much money to
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  Speaker 1: be made in Australia? Is the places like that? My thing? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why are we going to Australia? Every time we you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's could have been too many, Like you mentioned, there's
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  Speaker 1: been too many big fights over there over the last
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  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years, and you would think, but if
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  Speaker 1: you can't let certain people in, something's up with that,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's kind of odd.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just kind of making things more
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  Speaker 2: complicated for no reason. I mean, who the hell isn't
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  Speaker 2: going to tune into Cero Spens fight at MSG or
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  Speaker 2: you know, someplace in La Vegas. I mean, Jesus, any
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  Speaker 2: any fight in Vegas is like it's a it's a
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  Speaker 2: natural home for it. So it's cool, Like I can
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can understand from time to time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: changing the venue. I've watched fights that are said in
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  Speaker 2: London and Riot and all that, et cetera. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to major events like this, why I
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  Speaker 2: put yourself a risk to I was sorry, I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna say, losing two fighters, but again one of them
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  Speaker 2: not making weight has nothing to do with with the
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  Speaker 2: uh the rules, So but yeah, it's just kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: This is kind of what gets disheartening about boxing when
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  Speaker 2: it's just like it becomes it looks like a shit show.
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  Speaker 2: When it's a sport that you've been around for so long,
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  Speaker 2: the rules have been in played for so long, Like,
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  Speaker 2: how this is this still happening? You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean here's the thing, man, I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times these organizers put to put together the
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  Speaker 1: event and then worry about everything else later. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like they're in a rush to get a thing, or
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  Speaker 1: they're getting so much money from a venue or a
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  Speaker 1: country or a city or state that they just put
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  Speaker 1: together and then worry about everything else as it comes.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a big part, because quie is it kept?
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  Speaker 1: So here's the thing that I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 1: out or not, but these promoters get paid by the city, county,
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  Speaker 1: state to put these events on because you're bringing people
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  Speaker 1: to a location. Whenever you're bringing like five hundred people
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  Speaker 1: are more to a place you are, you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: paid by the county commission, Tourism board, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're bringing thousands of people to to a
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  Speaker 1: country unexpectedly and they're going to be there for more
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  Speaker 1: than a week or whatever, yeah, you're gonna get something
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  Speaker 1: on the back end that no one knows about. So
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  Speaker 1: I get why these fights keep happening these locations. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not dumb. You're not dumb. However, with that being said,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta be very smart in who we have fight
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  Speaker 1: in these places. So if the promotion company is getting
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  Speaker 1: kicked down a five million dollars on the back end,
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  Speaker 1: all right, that's cool, But we got to be very
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  Speaker 1: smart about who can who's in these fights who's not, because,
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  Speaker 1: like you mentioned, there shouldn't be a situation where a
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  Speaker 1: fighter can't get into the country knowing good and goddamn
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  Speaker 1: well his little situation was.
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  Speaker 2: What it was, right, And there is such a thing
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  Speaker 2: as burning bridges people. I mean, yes, of course promoters
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  Speaker 2: are gonna get all this money and they're gonna set up
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  Speaker 2: all these things, but you're gonna be the asshole that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't deliver on you know, what you promised and what
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  Speaker 2: I just don't. I just don't get the mindset, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if if yeah, we'll figure it out later. There's been
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  Speaker 2: enough enough big fights that had to be canceled. We
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  Speaker 2: scheduled all that stuff enough time that why why don't
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  Speaker 2: people know better by now? You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. You know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of a personal gripe that I have. It's it's like,
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  Speaker 2: what is it gonna take for the sport to get
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  Speaker 2: a ship together after was boxing.
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  Speaker 1: And they will never get a ship because you gotta
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  Speaker 1: realize the people who aren't charged don't give a fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Like fast the thing we talk about all the time,
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  Speaker 1: there's no collective bargaining. There's no rules.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you've mentioned as well many times, which
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate, is that there are no rules in terms
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  Speaker 2: of like becoming a promoter, becoming a pr person, like
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  Speaker 2: you can just there's no you know, if you have
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  Speaker 2: to show a degree or anything like that, you can
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  Speaker 2: just show up and get the job.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, even if you had to fuck that,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that there's no oh, there's no commissioner, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's no rule like box is the only sport where
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  Speaker 1: there's no governing. There's no rules, Like there's none there's
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  Speaker 1: literally no rules. You literally, oh, think about this. We
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  Speaker 1: found out Charlo couldn't get in like last week this time, right,
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  Speaker 1: like we know over the week last week we told
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be able to fight. Let's just say
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  Speaker 1: they found some random guy to replace him and that
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  Speaker 1: random guy won. Now that guys a celebrity, he's popular,
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  Speaker 1: he has action for the rest of his career based
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  Speaker 1: off of that. Like, there's so many randomness that would
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  Speaker 1: never happen in any other any other, any other industry.
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  Speaker 1: It's insane. But it's been like this forever, is not
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  Speaker 1: gonna change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's fair. I guess see, there's no real
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  Speaker 2: like you don't bring in a random you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I guess kid who plays basketball in his neighborhood to
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  Speaker 2: play for the NBA when a player is sick or
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  Speaker 2: anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean that. But also just in general,
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  Speaker 1: more for safety reasons, right, Like, here's the thing. Boxing
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  Speaker 1: is very tough because there's a lot involved when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to safety and make sure both parts are safe.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want no crazy person they're fighting a top
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  Speaker 1: contender or also you don't want a random person in
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  Speaker 1: there not knowing how to defend himself. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of state. But my thing is these promoters have
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  Speaker 1: been around way too long, and we know people's paperwork,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and also deep down inside as a person,
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  Speaker 1: you know what your situation is. You know whether you
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  Speaker 1: can get in places or not that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: This should be a little bit more self awareness.
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  Speaker 1: But to I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Overall, I don't know. I can't say that. It's hard
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  Speaker 2: to say how to describe how I feel about the fight,
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  Speaker 2: Like was it a good fight? Not really? Was it exciting?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was, I was kidding. There was a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times and I was like, all right, at
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  Speaker 2: least Spence is still landing a couple of punches here
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  Speaker 2: and there. But I don't know. It just felt like
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  Speaker 2: a dud all around. But it probably should have happened
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. Spence was a name and a draw,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I kept hyping up. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's coming back. You know, fans want to see him
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  Speaker 2: this and that. But maybe I should temper my excitement
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  Speaker 2: a little bit when it comes to a guy that's
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  Speaker 2: over the hill and really shouldn't be there.
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  Speaker 1: So you right again, whenever you get those kinds of
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  Speaker 1: car accidents that he got in, you're never going to
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  Speaker 1: be right again. You're never going to be right. But also,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't look good in the Crawford fight at all,
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  Speaker 1: Like he didn't look close. He looked like a guy
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  Speaker 1: that had been in accident and there's been issues. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a while since he looked sharp. And it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: because some I brought this up up and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily saying I agree with it, but they said, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Crawford's biggest, second biggest win is Earl Spence, and the
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  Speaker 1: Earl Spence he fought an Earl Spence that had a
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famed career. So what does that mean for
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  Speaker 1: two of Crawford's best performances or against guys on the
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  Speaker 1: downward trajectory of their career. It makes you think. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think any differently about I mean, he handled business,
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  Speaker 1: but looking back at the Spence fight, before the fight
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  Speaker 1: and after, I have a lot of different thoughts about
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  Speaker 1: that one. Per Se Canelo was still a really good
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  Speaker 1: fighter when he fought. He dominated that one. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna that's likely go there per Se. But the
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  Speaker 1: Spence one, I don't judge the same as I would
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  Speaker 1: have three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I go back and forth on it.
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  Speaker 2: In my mind. I think if you isolate just Bud's
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  Speaker 2: performance period and how would he looked in the ring,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'll put it in this way. I think
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  Speaker 2: Bud would have beat the shit out of Spence even
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  Speaker 2: without the car accident play.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I vary. That's where I think there's literally
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  Speaker 1: physical injuries, and I think there's limitations involved that weren't
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  Speaker 1: there in twenty seventeen. In twenty eighteen, that's where I differ. However,
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  Speaker 1: I do think Budd probably wins the fight. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's closer. I think there's an actual when a guy's
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  Speaker 1: not able to use his reflex or the reflex are
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  Speaker 1: a second art, slow, it ain't ain't gonna work. But again,
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  Speaker 1: I can't discredit Bud because he took care of business.
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  Speaker 1: But looking back at that fight, I'm like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: guy's like looking back over, he's been he's been watched
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  Speaker 1: for a minute, Like because the same issues happened three
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  Speaker 1: years ago, that happened last Saturday or last Saturday, that
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  Speaker 1: was the teles I like, oh, he's don't have it
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  Speaker 1: like there's no there's nothing there. And when there's nothing there,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, he's either he's either out of shape
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  Speaker 1: or he's injured, or he's just done. And that was
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  Speaker 1: his payday. That the off or fight was the pay
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  Speaker 1: the and I get that he did what he had
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  Speaker 1: to do for his family and make sure, I totally
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  Speaker 1: get that, but man like, for a guy that had
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  Speaker 1: the resume and career he had, the way his career
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  Speaker 1: ended is very wild. I don't know if we've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen a career in like this, like of a Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame guy, like a guy that's a really good boxer,
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  Speaker 1: a guy being that that good, and then crumbling down
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  Speaker 1: like this, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that two fights in which he
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  Speaker 2: is very clearly dominated one. I'd have to go back
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  Speaker 2: and watch the both this and Saturday fights and the
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  Speaker 2: Crawford fight again, but in my mind, based on my memory,
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  Speaker 2: the spence that fought Bud was way better than the
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  Speaker 2: spence that fought this weekend. Uh, you know, again not
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  Speaker 2: having watched that in a minute, but I think those
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  Speaker 2: two fights, I think, and you're retiring is good, Like
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  Speaker 2: let's not keep going, let's not say, well, I got
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more in the tank. So I'm actually glad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's uh, you know, he saw the sign,
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  Speaker 2: he saw the light. We don't need him signing up
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  Speaker 2: for another fight next year, and then looking even worse
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  Speaker 2: for awhere uh and and actually getting knocked out and
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  Speaker 2: possibly you know, being permanently injured or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: but uh, yeah, I mean really I think also as
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  Speaker 2: back when I was fit or not fat, but there
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  Speaker 2: are times when your body does straight up to say
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: like I got nothing left. Like, of course, there's always
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: dig deep and push the motivation you know there, your
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: your gym coach, your boxing coach tells you like, keep
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: moving blah blah blah. But at some point there is
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: a thing where you just don't have it and you're
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: not there yet. Sure you can build up and get stronger,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: et cetera, but there I've had times where I'm like, dude,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: my foot is not.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Gonna do that.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like, it's just not I will not be
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: able to I literally am not physically capable of jumping
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: rope anymore or whatever it is. And when that sucks,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: when you reach that point and you realize, like I
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: gave it all everything I had, and I think Earl
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Spence did so. But you know, I'm good for him
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: for choosing to retire. I think it's the best option
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: for him. And uh, let's uh, let's see what the
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: next big name is going to be that takes over, right, right,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So moving on, from Saturday to Sunday. I actually watched
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: a good chunk of the zoofa boxing event. How much
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: of that did you actually watch?
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I watched more than I wanted to. My paramount plus
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't working all the way right though, Like I had
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: some buffering issues. I don't know if it was my
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: WiFi or there. I don't know what was going on,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't as sharp as I thought it would be.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: But I did watch the actual main event, not the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: one that they tried to tell us was the main event,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: but the real main event. But then after I kind
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: of left because I don't like the guy who was
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: the actual main event. And I know why the main
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: event I tember the fight was. I get it, but man,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the guy's rough watch man like, and I know we
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: won the fight. He's a rough watch and he thing
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: that I don't like about him is he's not that good,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: but he carries himself like he's very good. That's what
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: problems that works my soul. But he fights a fighter
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that's really good. He gets humbled, so we know the deal.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Like the guy he fought me got dropped by the
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: guy on the first round. What will we doing? What
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: we do.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we could start there. There's a
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: bunch of things I wanted to talk about, but yeah,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: we're talking about Edgar Berlanga versus this. His name is
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Stephen Butler, I believe a Canadian dude. His last name
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: is Butler. I don't know it's Steven.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: The thing about Berlanga, Okay, I had something occurred to
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: me while I was watching that made the quote unquote
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: main event is that he is very much like a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Deontay Wilder. Undeniable power, not enough boxing talent, draws people
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: in because of the knockout stuff, this and that. Definitely,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's as charismatic as as the weather,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: but but that's kind of it. He's he's like big punches,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: big knockouts, big knockout guy, and definitely that's not uh yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: when he fights a decent fighter with some real skills,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: he can avoid that because he's just trying to get
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that knockout with the same punch over and over.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: There's no adjustments. He's not that fast defense ain't right.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It's just he's just a guy. He's a guy that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: looks cool on a fight on a fight night, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you know the name, so okay, but in terms of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: like headlining events like hopeless the last eventy headlines because
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the guy that fought perform is way better than him.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Why the guy that fought perform can actually be the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: face of boxing. He has that talent. I don't believe
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he will be well, he actually has that kind of talent.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem with Berlanga is that, or sorry, with
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Stephen Butler the opponent, is that he kept getting caught
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: with those exact same shots over and over, those hooks,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: which I'm like, have you got larned?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: B I.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I talk a lot of shit for a
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: guy just sitting on the couch, you know, drinking a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: beer watching the fight. But you've seen better fighters against him,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and you've seen people with defense and what they could
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: do against those punches, And it's just like, why why
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: is it the other guy justin either you know what
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Why where's the fight prep at? Like, honestly, you dropped
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: dude in round one, So you did some fight preparation.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: You did to watch some tape. There's something you found
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that you could attack. Why didn't you do more of that?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, why you keep getting hit with hooks.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Why you keep getting hit with the same punch over
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and over for five more rounds. That was my issue
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: with that being said, though for longer than what he did.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: He was in New York. It's good for you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the brand. I get it. It's cool. He'll be in
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the mix for some other fight, you know, co headline
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: all that. It's just cool. But man, it's I'm just
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: not a fan of, you know, of what he does
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: in the ring. I'm just not And I against him,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I don't. I'm not you know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I don't. As a person, I don't really cared either way.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: But at a XER I am not a fan. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: when he gets a step in compete and competition it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: going to be you know, different level. Yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I the way I describe it is for somebody that is,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you know, has very powerful punches and can knock out
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: dudes pretty well, how are you still completely sauciless as
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a fighter. I just don't get it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: But that's the best way to put it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Another thing too, that I remember when you talked about
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Earl Spence reacting to punches you know, a second too late. Uh,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you know, during the corver fight that Steve Butler. Dude
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: was reacting but three seconds too damn late to those
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: hooks like people.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And couldn't see them. And as always, it's always a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: tailtale song when a boxer is not in get shape
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and when they're just reacting way late or they're getting
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: out the way a second or two too late, it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: always tells you like, hey, this fight is not gonna
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: go on much longer because you just can't, you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the energy you need to get out of dodge. You
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: need energy. And if you don't have energy and your fought,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you're behind your hurt. It's knocking in will. Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: But actually, and let's let's say this though, I will
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: still say that I haven't been that impressed by zoof
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of boxing at all and what they've been doing so far,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: but I will I like to give credit where credit
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: is due. On Sunday evening, I went out and we
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: have this Arizona franchise called Cold Beer and Cheeseburgers. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard of it, Jamison six Sports
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Bar Sports Far. Yeah, it's weird that it's like in
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Arizona and in Dallas, according to the website, which is
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like a weird place to why but whatever. So I
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was there. I was like, oh, let's sit down and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: have a beer. And then I realized, wait a second,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: this looks like the kind of place in my play UFC,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: which is on Paramount plus. Right, So I asked the bartender, you, guys,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: do you have paramun plus. There's boxing right now that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I wanted to watch. And the guy's like, oh, let
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: me you know. He brought another guy over. They checked
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the menu. The guy was like, well, yeah, we signed
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: up for UFC, but I don't think we're signed up
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: for the boxing thing. And I'm like, it's all one
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: thing if you have Paramount plus, right, right, Yeah, so
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of people shows that a lot of people
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: don't know that boxing is up paramount, which kind of sucks,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: but I explained to him. He put it on and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I got to watch one of the fights out drinking
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the beer, you know, with a crowd of people, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: that's cool. Like I've said before, I love doing that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that's been hard to do since uh
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: top Rank has not been on ESPN. Yeah, so I
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: gotta say if there's to be able to go up
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: at some places and say if you're playing. If you
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: played UFC last night, can you please put on boxing
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: for me two night Sunday. So that's kind of cool.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I will I will say that that that's a point
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in Zoofa's favor that they're available and they're sort of
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: bringing in that sense, they're sort of bringing up boxing
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: alongside the UFC since they made that deal, since Dana
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: White made that deal. So right, I will, I will
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: say that. But but yeah, the fight that I saw
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: was this guy, uh Jalil Hackett, who is unknown to me,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: fighting the Ukrainian guy, uh Sergei Dervachenko. Did you did
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you catch any of that fight? Jimson?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I cast some of it. But also I've heard of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the second guy you mentioned before. I've seen him in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: other fights, and I've heard the name before.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think i've I've seen him. I forgot, but
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Jelo Hackett uh awesome dominating performance. Absolutely just beat the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: ship out of the ukrating guy. His face was super
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: bloodied afterwards, respected Dervachenko, though he went the distance. Around
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: round seven, I was like, somebody's gonna stop this. The
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: ref is gonna stop this. The corner of the doctor
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: because he looked fucked up, but he kept going. Not
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: only did he stay on his feet, he kept throwing punches.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So that very clear, one sided fight, but very very exciting.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: So Jalil Hackett his his nickname is Negro Mexicano, which
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: means the black Mexican and in Spanish negaro just means
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: black and it's not but and he had like the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: American flag on one glove and the Mexican flag on
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the other. So I'm like, is this guy part of Mexican,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Like like he's a black, He's a black man. But
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I was very like, I really want to learn more
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: about this guy, like what's your dear, Like, why why
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: are you? Why's your nickname? The black Mexican?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Right right?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Apart from being in you know, obviously very talented fighter,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So it was cool that I got to see him
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and you know, definitely be checking out his next fight.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the big thing that we were both interested
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: is Richardson Hitchens and that one another very very solid performance.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: H absolutely dominating just every round, excellent boxing talent. You
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: know they call it, you know, the sweet science for
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a specific reason. But I wanted to get your take
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: on how you felt about seeing Richard's detensions back on
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: the ring, it was cool.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Like it was good to seeing. I mean, the talent
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was there. I mean it's obvious didn't really learn much
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: because of the opponent was such a disadvantage, so you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it really not much really learn or show from that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It was good sceneing back in the ring. I hope
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we get him up for the end of the year.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: He gets a quality opponent. But by the time the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: end of the year happens, if there's enough time, there's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: five months left, so there's made no excuse. With that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: being said, I hope he stays active because he's an actual,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: really talented fighter. He's a guy that really has the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: goods but huge But I don't know what's gonna happen
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: with all these different contracts being sided with different people,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Like you got Hani and others signed to disown. You
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: got guys on a ZUFA, you got people on Amazon,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you got people, we're kind of a little bit of everything.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna get certain fights. It
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: feels like we're getting Hany and Keishawn Davis soon, so
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be cool. But with that being said, ideally,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in a perfect world we get two ZUFA guys against
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: each other, Chakor and Hitchens. But we'll see, we'll see,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: we'll see. But there's definitely some big fights to be made,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and Hitchin's gonna be one of the guys that's a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: part of it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would. That's the kind of fight
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that I call. Nothing super exciting, that like blew my
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: mind throughout the fight. But it was just consistently great
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: boxing all throughout. And that's cool too. You know, I'm
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: not criticizing the fighter. There's a lot of people to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: do that that I don't like, whether they're like, oh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: but there's no knockouts, like yeah, but you just saw
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: an amazing fighter, or do his stick in the ring
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: for twelve rounds, you know, consistently. But Richardson, Hitchins called
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: out Devin Haney called out Tank. He called it Brian Garcia.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think he's at a point now where he
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: could take on a fight with either of those two
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: guys based on what you saw?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: We asked, we have to see it. That's the thing.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: We need to see it because right now we don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: know how we have a measuring and stick for him.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: He hasn't fought anyone that's like, oh my god, that's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a super serious fight where he's in danger or there's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: even any doubt, like, we need to see him versus
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a quality opponent, but we have to. If not, then
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: we're kind of wasting our time here. I hope. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: hope ZUFA doesn't do is have him been another fight
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: similar to this one where they're just milking it to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: where it's just, oh, he fought again, but is not
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a no name person. I hope they don't do that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I hopefully he does fight a name person. Even if
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: he took the rest of the year off and fought
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: somebody in January, I'd be cool with it. But we
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: got to see him fight somebody of calary because we're losing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: We need we need bigger fight and more. We need
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to see guys fight each other to the point where
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: if there's a close fighter's rematch, we need to get
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: back to that. It's been a while since we've gotten
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that kind of fight and we need that. That helps
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the sport. So we shall see.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing that worried me about him signing
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: with ZUOFA. They just kind of keep stretching things out,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: kind of putting you know, oh, it's a name that's popular,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and of course we're gonna into watch like obviously, but
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: at some point you're like, if this guy's the real deal,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: he has to prove himself and you got to put
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: him in the ring with somebody that you know will
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: definitely get show him some adversity, and yeah, I we
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: can't be dilly deallying on all of these things, you know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I I don't.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Know how long typically like after signing a Chakur that
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, a fight of his should be announced. But
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I've already like a patient. I'm like, why haven't we
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: heard a name?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You know? And the or fighting is not like a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: name name, So it's like, I like, what's going on?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. I mean, here's the thing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: As long as there's ansistent fights and they're on, they're watchable.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I can live with that for the time being. But
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: this year is I keep hearing these boxes talk and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: they're talking more than they're fighting, especially the quality opponents.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: That's what bothers me a bit. But you know, it's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it's cool. We got guys fighting the last like six weeks.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: We've got to fight damn every weekend. I appreciate that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: we got another one coming up. This you can't sell
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: if it's really good. It's really good to see.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I'm happy to have more fights. Here's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the thing. I'm happy to have a fight every weekend,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: even though it's with you know, guys that are less
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: lesser known names and that obviously. I saw Julil Hackett
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and it was awesome. I didn't know who the hell
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: he was. What I don't want is for specifically the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: promotion companies like Suit the same. We're gonna we're gonna
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: be the best. We're gonna show you the best fights
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you've ever seen. It'll knock your socks off. And I'm like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: stop be apping, give me name versus name and an
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: eight right right? So uh yeah, that's what bothers me.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: That bothers me more than fighters talking, because you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: fighters always can say what they want to do and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: things fall through. But it's not like the names aren't there.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, uh yeah, getting Devin Haney and Keishan will
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: be awesome. Ryan Garcia is already you know, scheduled, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: if you got hitches into, you gotch court. And nothing's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: been announced for their next event, Like, come on, guys,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: let's let's make something happen here. Let's go let's chick
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a leg.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It don't work that way, though. There's a lot of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: reasons why things get done the way they do. Like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I get if I'm a zufa, I'm not trying to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: put anyone in danger unless I have to rabbin a milk.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So think about like this real quick. If you have
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Skoro's probably the best boxer in your company. He's the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: biggest draw right you can put you can put main
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: events around him two or three more times without him
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: facing someone that can beat him or even challenge him.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: That's just from the business. I'm not saying it's right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I'm saying business wise, you can feature him, main event him,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Same thing with Hitchins.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: You can kind of do the same thing where he
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: fights maybe an older veteran guy that don't have anything
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: left whatever, whatever, before you get him in the in
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the ring with somebody that can challenge him enough. So
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I get what they're doing. I know what they can do.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Business wise, however, I think is baby steps, cause I
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: think everyone's kind of learning as we go with this
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: new structure. It's not h field, is not a showtime.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: A lot of the older promoters are not the same,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: So I think right now they're looking at how to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: maximize how much money resources out of everything while also
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: putting together fights. So I'm going to get the benefit
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: of it out for now because I know it's a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: lot going on. But I do feel with way the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: money is going, we're gonna see bigger fights eon later.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I totally get what you're saying about kind
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of setting somebody up, you know, and getting more fights
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: out of somebody. My thing is that I'll be tuning
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: into some course evens this next fight. But give me one,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, give me a name, give
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: me a date, even if it's not the greatest, you
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: know thing ever, I just want to see. I just
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: want to see some movement.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of talking, not enough movement, especially specifically
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: from ZUFA. So, like I said, I'll give credit credits.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Due Is had some good fights on the event, but
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: there's still a lot more to be said before I
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: can say that they're an impressive enterprise that makes sense.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely definitely.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I always I always try to be
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: fair but also being very realistic. You know, there's a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: lot of data white fanboys that are just he can
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: do no wrong, and I'm like, well, yeah, you gotta
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: you gotta give you a reason here.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: How much influence does he have on these fights?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing we'll never know because money talks,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and he's back by the Saudi So like, why why
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: does he have all of it?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Is he involved in the making the fights? He just
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: there as a face of the situation, like that'd be
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: My question is like how involved is he Because he's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: not a boxing guy and he's a money you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: he's a promoter. He doesn't do boxing, and it feels
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: like the money comes from the Saudis, So I don't know.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: His role is very odd to me.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his role is there to make money
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: off of the sport.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But no, I get that probably help with the paramount
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: plus deal, So I get all that. So I trust
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to understand. It's more of a like when you look
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: at the equation everything right, you uh al sheik who
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: puts the money in venues together at times you are
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: got paramount plus together, you have the some of the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: promoters on the same page. It is not a promoter
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: for boxing, so he doesn't have It's like UFC incas
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: throwing boxers now all of a sudden. So it's just
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: interesting to see his role while we look at it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Where does he really come to play it now? If
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: he's just in the on the board of zoof, all right, cool,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that's fine. But it's interesting, see because he doesn't really
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: do anything with boxing. If you look at like that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Well sure, but I guess I don't see that as
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: being as much of a problem because it's not hard
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to find out, especially these days, like who the big
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: names are, who's got hype and who's got popularity because
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: we don't have as many you know, yeah, on this show,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: we keep bringing up the same deb guys. Devin Haiti, right, Garcia,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I was so fucking stoked
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and learn it. There was a guy named Jalil Hackett
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: who fights who's talented, right, so I can follow? So yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, and then Turkey La Shik you know what again,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to say about his motives for getting
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: into sports, I mean, he also seems to know which
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: fights are popular and which fighters would make money. You know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: he put together beef all better be you know, Crawford Canelo.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's hard to really. I also put
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it to you this way. If somebody really wants to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: learn about boxing and doesn't know much about it, first
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: things they should do is make sure they follow this show.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: But you can do enough research and talk to enough
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: people where you can get like top tier names, you
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I agree there.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So even if they told they know I put together
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a really a very important fight with big names that'll
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: be a big draw. Like you got people, you can
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: figure it out. You know, it's like a scene you
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: can kind of get your bearings in. Again, that may
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: not be the best thing to say about boxing because
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: we don't have that many bixars, that many big names,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's we'll see. I mean, I I'll say
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: this as long as paramoun Plus isn't shitty. Lagging has issue.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You know, all tuned into our Zua fights on Sundays.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: You know now that I actually sat down to watch one.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I just needed to get my brain around the fact
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that boxing was on Sunday night, which is not it
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't clicking for a while.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It was because there's nothing else on, Like, that's the thing.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It actually makes way more sense than the summer because
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the baseball games in early except for one, and there's
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: nothing else on, so it actually makes total sense. Now,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: if you're on the East Coast, you're probably pissed because
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I've got work the next morning. A fight coming on
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: at seven eight pm our time is you know, damn
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: near midnight their time. But by the time it ends,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I could be a bit frustrated by that. Before us
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: on the West coast seven eight o'clock, there's nothing else
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: on else going on, so it all works out.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Actually, that reminded me something too that I noticed watching
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Sunday night is that the vibes were off. The crowd
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't as like rowdy or excited. I really thought it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: because of Sunday night. People can't get wasted because they
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: got to get up early the next day, right, that
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: is even in the summer. That you're correct, Yeah, I definitely.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It definitely stuck out to me. I was like, nobody's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you know, sitting here like you know, just yelling, screaming,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you know, like we would see on a typical Saturday
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: night fight.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: People get we're more.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Lively for the berlanga thing because you know, they started
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: throwing but that was to be said, but I just mean, overall,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: it seemed kind of tame. It's like when you watch
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: now yeah in a way fight in Japan, and the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Japanese crowds are more reserved, you know, polite, and they're applauding,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: but nobody's like, you know, just like throwing beer everywhere
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: because they're so jumping up and down, you know what
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I mean. But that's just something I noticed anyway, just
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: really quickly again, because we've been talking about this fight
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: for god, it feels like a month now. I want
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to say this is probably my one of my most
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: anticipated fights this year is Lamont Roach coming back to
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: fight William Tibda for two reasons. One because I really
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: really want Lamont Roach to get his due and get
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a w and be a star. Plus this fight is
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: another one of the monthly TNT fights, which will be
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: on regular ass TV, basic cable, and I'm already kind
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: of trying to figure out where I'm gonna go Saturday
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: night and ask a bartender to change the channel for
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: me if they're if that's not on. So yeah, for
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: me personally, you can say whatever lamont Roach to pay
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the you know, mid name guys, nobody cares. I've kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of put a lot of stock in this fight. I've
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: become very personally excited about it, especially because the mount
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Roaches was like the underdog to end all underdogs this
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: last year. And also I feel I do feel a
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: bit bad for saying Tank versus Roach man who gives
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a shit and just yeah talking about that fight.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But good thing, But no, that's how it goes. But no,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it's I like to see Roach put together a solid fight.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those fights where if he
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: wins this one, he gets he's in talks getting other fights.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interest to see what happens. I mean,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: this is the guy that could fight at Richard Hitchin's
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: or whoever likes. It's just good to see you know
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: guys figure it out, put it together. Having back to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: back draws versus two different fighters is interesting though, so
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: we'll see hopefully he can avoid a third one. But
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: this was a very interesting last Well.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: The thing isn't just that he had back to back draws,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: is that he had back to back draws draws against
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: very aggressive knockout artists who can who dominate most of
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the time, and that to me, you know, I shouted
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: out Jelly Hackett for having an amazing performance, you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: consistently kicking asses and that. But I guess, like emotionally,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's cool to see Lamont Roach as
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the underdog could hold his own and hopefully learn from
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: these two. Like if he, you know, gets at l
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and or gets another draw and just doesn't step up
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: his game, I'll be like, all right, Roach, we tried,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: we everybody tried to hype you up, and we really
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to see you, you know, succeed. But but like
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: we have always said, with the greats, they adjust, they learn,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and they come back better. So he definitely he set
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: himself after the fight with Pipole Cruises. What's next, he said,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: back to the drawing board, and you know what, good good.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I want to see what he learned, and I want
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: to see him fighting Ah Williamsabette, who's a Mexican, who
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: is who fights in the Mexican style, you know again
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: very aggressive. Uh so, yeah, I want to see what
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: his defense looks like. And I just I would say
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Lamont Roach is the fighter that I'm most curious to
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: see in the ring next, if that makes sense, Like
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: most curious about what he's going to look like after
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the last two fights. But maybe maybe I'm overselling it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm overhyping it, but like I said, that's me.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: That's kind of one fight of hitch my wagon too,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: so to speak. But but we've talked about the fact
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: that it's going to be on T and T, which
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is very good for boxing, and I don't think is
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: there any other Jamison any other like sports going on,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the other events going on to this, like this Saturday,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: this time of year.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Like baseball, Like baseball is the other sport that's in
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: full swing right now. College football starts in August, in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: NFL starts in September, so right now, that's why we've
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: had events every weekend because there's nothing else on, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: then the rains are gonna do better because there's literally
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: nothing else on. So even on Saturday nights when most
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of the baseball games end by seven pm our time's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: it makes way more sense to have all these events.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: This should be the blueprint going forward for boxing, from
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Memorial Day to Labor Day. There should be Evince every Saturday,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: every Saturday, but you know, hopefully don't get their own way.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But it's been a really good thing for boxing this summer.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been amazing to watch as a fan. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: you know, like I've said before, you know, we didn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: even talk about the fact that Anthony Joshua came back
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and you know, knocked it out. Yeah, we don't have to.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: But the point is that, like that was another thing
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that happened this weekend. You know, we had a lot
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: of things going on, and for the boxing world, the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: more news, the more things to talk about, the better.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So I kind of hope that things don't slow down
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to a crawl after this.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, no, there's gonna be more fights because there's
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: more promotion, companies involved, and guys have gotten signed. Why
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: we still have roly and to your female fighting. We
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: got Ryank coming up fighting in September like that that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: things ain't flowing down like and there's gonna be more announcements
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: coming on, so it's not necessarily slow down. This is
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: more of when they come on. There's any other events on,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: so you come on in the fall, you got to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: go audience college in the NFL, Like that's how it goes.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: There's no way around that. But it's still cool because
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Saturday Night is you know, for the most part, you're
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: still gonna get a pretty You have a pretty good
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: viewing lane when it comes to boxing, so you're good.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we're on the path for the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: rest of the year of fights getting set up, guys
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: staying active and going from there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there was someone on Twitter talking about how
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: sales for Ryan Garcia versus Connor Ben we're already through
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the roof for September twelfth.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I believe it was Ryan cheat code. Ryan is Mexican
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and he is popular on social media as a cheat
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: code of boxing. You have those two, you're gonna do
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: very well numbers wise.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Well, And I'm wondering, you know, we were talking talking
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a lot about like David bit Deavidez could be like
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the new sinking to my guy, this and that. But
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: if they position Ryan Garcia in there as to be
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the guy to take over the best events, like is
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: that going to work out? It seems it seems to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: be working well for September.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You gotta trust Ryan and Ryan's not
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: trustworthy because you'll win. Like being about to holiday fighters,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: they're normally winners. The guys that usually have seven to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: my ms and fens weekend, the usually winners. They win
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and dominate their fights. Ryan don't do that. Ryan's don't
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: for sanni an more than winning. That's the problem. So
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: we got to see him get better as a boxer
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: if that matters to him. Now, selling out seats is cool,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: but once you have a couple of losses, everybody's watching,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it's all slow down a bit. So we'll see, we'll
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: see what happens.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: That's fair. That's a that's a really good point. I guess.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You know, being the draw and selling tickets can only
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: get you so far. If kind of the same thing,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: if you're burning bridges and people are just showing up
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to watch you get your asking. Uh. We also have
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to remember too, Ryan won decisively and had a very
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: good performance against Mario Bodrios. But we talked about it
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: on the show before that. It was two losses in
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: a no contest right before that, So you can say
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Ryan is back and yeah, and hey, I'm gonna tune in.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for the fight. Don't get me wrong. But
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: you can't say that, like, we can't forget that that's
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: one fight away from that, you know, disastrous year that
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: he had, right, so let's let's uh, let's all, let's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: all remember you know, what's what's going on with Ryan Garcia?
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think to be able to bestow the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: King of the Mexican Holidays, you have to expect him
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: to show up.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And you know, you gotta be you gotta be good,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: like that's the thing you gotta be. You can't be mediocre,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's what his issue, Like Cano was
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: one of the best ever. It was always one of
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the best ever. Like those two are you know, they
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: do what they did for so long? Cool you live
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: with them. Even Paster prompts to having those days. But
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia is not the air parent for that unless
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: he gets way better than the ring and has more
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: sinnature wins and.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, if he does and he takes this
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: seriously and he takes the news, yes, we'd love to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: have you, We'd love to be fans. But yeah, I was.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I wasn't praying for his downfall, but I was kind
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of hoping that him losing the mound of bodies was
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: like kind of expose what this whole situation is with Brian.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: But but then keep in mind too, that's his first
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: World championship, so now he has something to you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: kind of fight for to to live up to. So
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: fingers crossed. But uh yeah, that's uh, that's a little
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: bit of ways away. So we're getting our head of ourselves.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, let's all tune in this Saturday,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: August first on TNT to watch Lamont Roach fight Williamsbela
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: and you know, we'll have full coverage of that next episode.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And that's about all the news that's fit to talk
• 43:49
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• 43:51
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• 43:52
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