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Creative Freedom and Structure: Finding Your Flow · Getting to Good Enough

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  Foreign.
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  Hey
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  there.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  getting
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  to
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  Good
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  Enough.
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  I'm
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  Shannon
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  Wilkinson.
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  And
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  I'm
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  Janine
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  Adams.
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  We're
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  here
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  for
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  practical
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  and
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  fun
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  conversations
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  about
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  living
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  with
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  more
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  ease
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  and
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  way
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  less
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  stress.
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  Yep.
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  We're
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  all
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  about
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  embracing
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  progress
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  over
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  perfection.
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  So
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  grab
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  a
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  tasty
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  beverage
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  and
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  let's
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  get
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  started.
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  Hey,
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  Janine.
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  Hey,
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  Shannon.
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  How
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  you
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  doing?
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  I'm
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  doing
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  pretty
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  well.
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  How
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  are
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  you?
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  I'm
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  doing
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  well,
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  I
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  am
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  happy
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  to
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  say.
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  The
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  weather
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  in
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  St.
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  Louis
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  is
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  unseasonably
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  cool,
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  which
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  is
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  delightful.
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  High
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  in
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  the
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  70s
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  all
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  week.
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  Oh,
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  my
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  gosh.
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  I
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  know.
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  Really
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  nice.
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  You're
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  having
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  our
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  weather,
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  and
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  we're
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  having
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  your
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  weather.
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  Oh,
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  I'm
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  so
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  sorry
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  for
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  you.
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  Our
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  weather
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  always
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  sucks,
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  so.
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  Yeah,
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  that's
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  bad.
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  We
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  had
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  triple
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  digits.
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  Oh,
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  yeah.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  it's
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  supposed
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  to
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  be
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  95
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  today.
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  Yeah.
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  Not
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  my
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  favorite
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  weather,
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  as
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  you
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  know.
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  No.
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  I
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  wore
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  a
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  sweatshirt
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  this
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  morning
• 1:07
  when
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  I
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  walked
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  there.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  I
• 1:10
  didn't
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  get
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  too
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  warm.
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  It
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  was
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  in
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  the
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  60s.
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  It
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  was
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  unbelievable.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh,
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  my
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  gosh.
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  Wow.
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  Well,
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  we
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  were
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  just
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  talking
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  about
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  creativity
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  and,
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  like,
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  what
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  gets
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  in
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  the
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  way
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  of
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  creativity.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  thinking
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  about
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  it
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  because
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  of
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  the
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  beautiful,
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  creative
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  flowers
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  that
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  you
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  made
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  for
• 1:34
  me
• 1:35
  that
• 1:35
  I'm
• 1:36
  showing
• 1:36
  on
• 1:36
  the
• 1:37
  video
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  that
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  we
• 1:38
  can
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  maybe
• 1:39
  post
• 1:40
  a
• 1:40
  picture
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  to
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  when
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  this
• 1:43
  episode
• 1:43
  goes
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  out.
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  But.
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  These
• 1:47
  are
• 1:47
  made
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  out
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  of
• 1:49
  coffee
• 1:49
  filters.
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  Yes,
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  they're
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  made
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  out
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  of
• 1:52
  coffee
• 1:52
  filters.
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  Isn't
• 1:53
  that
• 1:53
  amazing?
• 1:54
  They
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  started
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  their
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  lives
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  as
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  the
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  basket
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  style,
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  Mr.
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  Coffee
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  type
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  coffee
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  filters.
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  And
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  there's
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  this
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  wonderful
• 2:01
  creator
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  whose
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  name
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  is
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  Hunter
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  Hammerson,
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  who
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  her
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  company,
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  I
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  guess,
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  is
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  called
• 2:08
  Tiny
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  Nonsense.
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  And
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  I
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  mostly.
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  What
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  a
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  great
• 2:12
  name.
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  Isn't
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  that
• 2:12
  wonderful?
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  mostly
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  know
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  her
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  about
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  knitting.
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  She's
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  a
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  knitting.
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  A
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  knitting
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  pattern
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  creator.
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  And
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  she
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  makes
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  amazing
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  patterns,
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  but
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  she's
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  also
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  does
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  other
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  things.
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  And
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  I'm
• 2:24
  on
• 2:24
  her
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  patreon,
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  and
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  she
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  came
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  out
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  with
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  these
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  flowers,
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  and
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  I
• 2:29
  thought,
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  I
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  gotta
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  try
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  that.
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  And
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  it's
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  just
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  you.
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  She
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  provides
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  templates.
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  So
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  you
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  coffee
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  filters,
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  you
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  iron
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  them
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  flat,
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  you
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  cut
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  them
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  into
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  petals,
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  you
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  dye
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  them,
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  and
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  then
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  you
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  put
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  them
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  all
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  together
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  and
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  many
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  steps
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  of,
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  like,
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  not
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  necessarily
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  creative.
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  So
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  creative.
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  Because
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  it's
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  perfect
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  for
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  me.
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  Right.
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  Because
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  their
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  creativity
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  was
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  in
• 2:49
  the.
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  In
• 2:50
  the
• 2:50
  colors.
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  There
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  was
• 2:51
  no
• 2:51
  guidance
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  on
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  the
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  colors,
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  but
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  I
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  had
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  templates
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  for
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  my
• 2:54
  cutting
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  out
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  part.
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  You
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  like
• 2:56
  that?
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  I
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  like
• 2:57
  that.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  I
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  thought
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  I'd
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  give
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  it
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  a
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  shot.
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  And
• 2:59
  then
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  I
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  ended
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  up.
• 3:00
  I
• 3:00
  made
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  a
• 3:01
  few,
• 3:01
  and
• 3:01
  Barry
• 3:01
  said,
• 3:02
  you
• 3:03
  should
• 3:03
  use
• 3:03
  that
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  for
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  flowers
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  for
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  party
• 3:07
  we
• 3:07
  were
• 3:07
  having.
• 3:07
  We
• 3:08
  had
• 3:08
  a
• 3:08
  party
• 3:08
  to
• 3:09
  celebrate
• 3:09
  his
• 3:10
  transplant
• 3:10
  anniversary.
• 3:11
  And.
• 3:12
  Cause
• 3:12
  I
• 3:12
  was
• 3:12
  thinking,
• 3:13
  she's.
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  gotta
• 3:13
  go
• 3:13
  to
• 3:13
  florist.
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  He
• 3:14
  said,
• 3:14
  just
• 3:14
  make
• 3:15
  paper
• 3:15
  flowers.
• 3:15
  I'm
• 3:16
  like,
• 3:16
  okay,
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  will.
• 3:17
  So
• 3:17
  I
• 3:17
  made
• 3:17
  a
• 3:18
  bunch.
• 3:18
  And
• 3:20
  so
• 3:20
  I.
• 3:20
  When
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  had
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  opportunity
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  send
• 3:21
  you
• 3:21
  something,
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  threw
• 3:23
  a
• 3:23
  few
• 3:23
  in
• 3:23
  there.
• 3:24
  Yeah.
• 3:25
  But
• 3:25
  there
• 3:25
  was
• 3:25
  a
• 3:25
  lot
• 3:26
  of
• 3:26
  supply
• 3:26
  acquisition.
• 3:27
  Probably
• 3:27
  cost
• 3:28
  me
• 3:28
  as
• 3:28
  much
• 3:28
  as
• 3:28
  it
• 3:28
  would
• 3:29
  have
• 3:29
  cost
• 3:29
  me
• 3:29
  to
• 3:29
  buy
• 3:30
  fresh
• 3:30
  flowers
• 3:30
  for
• 3:30
  the
• 3:30
  party.
• 3:33
  But
• 3:33
  I
• 3:34
  have.
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  can.
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  have
• 3:35
  their
• 3:35
  supplies
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  make
• 3:35
  many
• 3:36
  more.
• 3:36
  So
• 3:36
  if
• 3:37
  I'm
• 3:37
  inclined
• 3:37
  to
• 3:37
  make
• 3:38
  more.
• 3:38
  When
• 3:38
  the
• 3:39
  stuff
• 3:39
  arrived,
• 3:39
  because
• 3:40
  she
• 3:40
  provides
• 3:40
  guidance
• 3:41
  on
• 3:41
  what
• 3:41
  to
• 3:41
  buy,
• 3:42
  then
• 3:42
  I
• 3:42
  got
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  organize
• 3:43
  it
• 3:43
  all.
• 3:44
  And
• 3:45
  I.
• 3:45
  That
• 3:45
  was
• 3:46
  fun.
• 3:46
  You
• 3:46
  love
• 3:46
  that.
• 3:47
  I
• 3:47
  love
• 3:47
  that.
• 3:48
  And
• 3:48
  the
• 3:49
  organization
• 3:49
  went
• 3:50
  really
• 3:50
  well
• 3:50
  while
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  was
• 3:51
  working
• 3:51
  on
• 3:51
  the
• 3:51
  project.
• 3:52
  But
• 3:52
  now
• 3:52
  the
• 3:52
  project's
• 3:53
  done,
• 3:53
  at
• 3:53
  least
• 3:54
  for
• 3:54
  the
• 3:54
  time
• 3:54
  being
• 3:55
  because
• 3:55
  we
• 3:55
  had
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  party,
• 3:56
  and
• 3:56
  I've
• 3:57
  got
• 3:57
  all
• 3:57
  these
• 3:57
  supplies
• 3:58
  that
• 3:58
  are
• 3:58
  sort
• 3:59
  of
• 3:59
  out.
• 3:59
  They're
• 4:00
  not
• 4:00
  out.
• 4:00
  I
• 4:00
  mean,
• 4:00
  they're
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  side
• 4:01
  of
• 4:01
  my
• 4:02
  desk
• 4:02
  in
• 4:02
  an
• 4:02
  organized
• 4:03
  fashion,
• 4:04
  but
• 4:04
  in
• 4:04
  a
• 4:04
  place
• 4:04
  where
• 4:05
  I'd
• 4:05
  rather
• 4:05
  have
• 4:05
  clear
• 4:05
  space.
• 4:06
  So
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  have
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  think
• 4:07
  about
• 4:07
  what
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  do
• 4:07
  with
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  supplies
• 4:08
  because
• 4:08
  in
• 4:09
  our
• 4:09
  apartment,
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  don't
• 4:10
  have
• 4:10
  room
• 4:11
  for
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  lot
• 4:11
  of
• 4:11
  extra
• 4:12
  stuff.
• 4:13
  Yeah.
• 4:13
  Yeah.
• 4:14
  And.
• 4:15
  And
• 4:16
  my
• 4:17
  problem
• 4:17
  with
• 4:18
  stuff
• 4:19
  like
• 4:19
  that
• 4:19
  is
• 4:19
  if
• 4:19
  I
• 4:20
  put
• 4:20
  it
• 4:20
  away,
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  will
• 4:22
  completely
• 4:22
  forget
• 4:23
  that
• 4:23
  I
• 4:24
  have
• 4:24
  it
• 4:24
  and
• 4:24
  will
• 4:25
  never
• 4:25
  do
• 4:25
  it
• 4:25
  again.
• 4:26
  Or
• 4:26
  in
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  home
• 4:27
  as
• 4:27
  big
• 4:27
  as
• 4:27
  yours
• 4:28
  with
• 4:28
  lots
• 4:29
  of
• 4:29
  rooms,
• 4:29
  you.
• 4:30
  You
• 4:30
  may
• 4:30
  remember
• 4:30
  that
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  have
• 4:31
  it.
• 4:32
  But
• 4:32
  it
• 4:32
  might
• 4:33
  be
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  lot
• 4:33
  of
• 4:33
  effort
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  figure
• 4:34
  out
• 4:34
  where
• 4:34
  you
• 4:34
  had
• 4:34
  squirreled
• 4:35
  it
• 4:35
  away.
• 4:36
  Right.
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  mean,
• 4:37
  that
• 4:38
  was
• 4:38
  the
• 4:38
  case.
• 4:38
  No,
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  would
• 4:40
  actually.
• 4:40
  If
• 4:40
  I
• 4:41
  put
• 4:41
  it
• 4:41
  away,
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  would.
• 4:44
  If
• 4:45
  I
• 4:45
  remembered
• 4:45
  about
• 4:46
  it
• 4:46
  and
• 4:46
  wanted
• 4:46
  to
• 4:47
  do
• 4:47
  it,
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  would
• 4:47
  know
• 4:48
  where
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  get
• 4:48
  it.
• 4:49
  Oh,
• 4:49
  interesting.
• 4:50
  But
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  just
• 4:52
  wouldn't
• 4:52
  remember
• 4:53
  because
• 4:53
  it.
• 4:53
  I
• 4:54
  wouldn't
• 4:54
  see
• 4:54
  it.
• 4:54
  Out
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  sight,
• 4:55
  out
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  mind.
• 4:55
  Yeah.
• 4:56
  Yeah,
• 4:57
  yeah.
• 4:57
  In
• 4:57
  my
• 4:57
  life,
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  would
• 4:58
  be
• 4:58
  pretty
• 4:59
  sure
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  didn't
• 4:59
  let
• 4:59
  it
• 4:59
  go,
• 5:00
  especially
• 5:00
  in
• 5:01
  our
• 5:01
  old
• 5:01
  house.
• 5:01
  But
• 5:02
  figuring
• 5:03
  out
• 5:03
  where
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  put
• 5:03
  it
• 5:05
  was.
• 5:05
  Would
• 5:05
  be
• 5:06
  too
• 5:06
  hard
• 5:06
  to
• 5:07
  even
• 5:07
  try
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  try
• 5:09
  to
• 5:09
  find
• 5:09
  it.
• 5:09
  So.
• 5:09
  And
• 5:10
  here
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  have
• 5:10
  fewer
• 5:11
  places
• 5:11
  to
• 5:12
  squirrel
• 5:12
  things
• 5:12
  away,
• 5:12
  but
• 5:13
  there's
• 5:13
  still.
• 5:14
  Yeah.
• 5:14
  So
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  have
• 5:14
  to.
• 5:15
  I'm
• 5:15
  looking
• 5:15
  into
• 5:15
  right
• 5:15
  over
• 5:16
  here.
• 5:16
  I've
• 5:16
  got
• 5:16
  to
• 5:16
  deal
• 5:16
  with
• 5:17
  that
• 5:17
  because
• 5:17
  it's
• 5:17
  taken
• 5:17
  up
• 5:17
  about
• 5:18
  this
• 5:18
  much
• 5:19
  space,
• 5:19
  a
• 5:20
  couple
• 5:20
  feet
• 5:20
  by
• 5:21
  15
• 5:22
  inches
• 5:22
  or
• 5:22
  something.
• 5:23
  Yeah.
• 5:24
  So.
• 5:24
  So
• 5:24
  it's
• 5:24
  not
• 5:25
  insignificant.
• 5:26
  Right,
• 5:27
  right.
• 5:27
  It's
• 5:28
  not
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  room
• 5:28
  full,
• 5:29
  but.
• 5:29
  Right.
• 5:30
  But
• 5:31
  yeah.
• 5:31
  That
• 5:31
  whole
• 5:33
  craft
• 5:34
  supplies,
• 5:34
  which
• 5:35
  are
• 5:35
  sometimes
• 5:35
  the
• 5:36
  funnest
• 5:36
  part
• 5:36
  about
• 5:37
  crafting
• 5:39
  or
• 5:39
  doesn't
• 5:40
  have
• 5:40
  to
• 5:40
  be
• 5:40
  crafts.
• 5:40
  Any
• 5:41
  kind
• 5:41
  of
• 5:41
  creative
• 5:41
  thing.
• 5:42
  They're
• 5:42
  Fun,
• 5:43
  but
• 5:43
  they're
• 5:43
  also
• 5:43
  challenging,
• 5:44
  I
• 5:44
  think.
• 5:45
  Yeah.
• 5:46
  Yeah.
• 5:46
  Well.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:47
  it's
• 5:48
  easy
• 5:49
  for
• 5:49
  me
• 5:51
  to
• 5:52
  let
• 5:53
  my
• 5:53
  perfectionism
• 5:54
  flag
• 5:55
  fly
• 5:56
  when
• 5:57
  buying
• 5:58
  supplies
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  like,
• 6:00
  oh,
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  want
• 6:01
  to
• 6:01
  do
• 6:01
  this
• 6:01
  thing.
• 6:01
  Oh,
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  have
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  get
• 6:02
  all
• 6:02
  of
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  perfect
• 6:04
  supply.
• 6:04
  You
• 6:04
  know,
• 6:04
  I
• 6:05
  have
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  have
• 6:05
  all
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  right
• 6:06
  stuff.
• 6:06
  I
• 6:06
  have
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  have
• 6:07
  all
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  it.
• 6:08
  And
• 6:09
  that's
• 6:09
  always
• 6:09
  super
• 6:10
  fun.
• 6:11
  Right.
• 6:13
  And
• 6:13
  then
• 6:14
  that,
• 6:14
  like,
• 6:14
  gets
• 6:15
  in
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  way
• 6:15
  of
• 6:15
  actually
• 6:15
  doing
• 6:16
  it.
• 6:18
  The.
• 6:18
  The
• 6:19
  quest
• 6:19
  for
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  perfect
• 6:19
  supplies
• 6:20
  gets
• 6:20
  in
• 6:20
  the
• 6:20
  way.
• 6:21
  Right,
• 6:22
  Right.
• 6:23
  And
• 6:23
  then
• 6:23
  let's
• 6:24
  say
• 6:24
  you
• 6:24
  do
• 6:24
  get
• 6:24
  all
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  perfect
• 6:25
  supplies,
• 6:26
  at
• 6:26
  least,
• 6:26
  like,
• 6:26
  for
• 6:27
  my
• 6:27
  little
• 6:28
  paper
• 6:28
  flowers
• 6:29
  project
• 6:29
  was
• 6:30
  helpful
• 6:30
  to
• 6:30
  get
• 6:30
  started
• 6:31
  because
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  had
• 6:31
  very
• 6:31
  concrete
• 6:32
  steps.
• 6:32
  First
• 6:32
  step,
• 6:33
  iron
• 6:34
  the.
• 6:34
  The
• 6:35
  paper.
• 6:35
  Right.
• 6:35
  Which
• 6:36
  is
• 6:36
  easy
• 6:36
  and
• 6:36
  not
• 6:36
  scary.
• 6:37
  Probably.
• 6:38
  Unless
• 6:38
  I
• 6:38
  caught
• 6:39
  it
• 6:39
  on
• 6:39
  fire
• 6:39
  there,
• 6:39
  I
• 6:39
  probably
• 6:39
  couldn't
• 6:40
  screw
• 6:40
  it
• 6:40
  up.
• 6:40
  But
• 6:41
  sometimes,
• 6:42
  like,
• 6:42
  if
• 6:42
  it's
• 6:43
  a
• 6:43
  knitting
• 6:43
  project,
• 6:43
  I
• 6:44
  like
• 6:44
  to
• 6:44
  knit.
• 6:45
  Even
• 6:45
  casting
• 6:45
  on
• 6:46
  can
• 6:46
  be
• 6:46
  challenging
• 6:46
  because
• 6:47
  it
• 6:47
  could
• 6:47
  be
• 6:47
  it's
• 6:48
  going
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  get
• 6:48
  twisted
• 6:49
  or
• 6:49
  you're
• 6:49
  going
• 6:49
  to.
• 6:50
  It's
• 6:50
  hard.
• 6:50
  If
• 6:50
  it's
• 6:51
  big,
• 6:51
  it's
• 6:51
  hard
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  count
• 6:52
  all
• 6:52
  without
• 6:53
  screwing
• 6:53
  it
• 6:53
  up.
• 6:54
  And
• 6:55
  getting
• 6:56
  started
• 6:56
  sometimes,
• 6:57
  even
• 6:57
  after
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  fun
• 6:58
  of
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  purchase
• 6:59
  is
• 7:00
  tricky.
• 7:01
  Right.
• 7:02
  Well,
• 7:02
  and
• 7:04
  I
• 7:04
  mean,
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  way
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  described
• 7:08
  acquiring
• 7:08
  stuff
• 7:09
  is
• 7:10
  very.
• 7:11
  Not
• 7:11
  perfectionistic
• 7:14
  because
• 7:14
  there
• 7:15
  was
• 7:15
  an
• 7:15
  end
• 7:15
  point.
• 7:17
  Oh,
• 7:18
  yeah.
• 7:19
  When
• 7:19
  this
• 7:19
  project
• 7:19
  in
• 7:19
  the
• 7:20
  craft
• 7:20
  project
• 7:20
  in
• 7:20
  the
• 7:21
  paper
• 7:21
  flowers,
• 7:22
  literally,
• 7:22
  there
• 7:22
  was
• 7:23
  a
• 7:23
  list.
• 7:23
  Right?
• 7:24
  Right.
• 7:25
  So
• 7:25
  you
• 7:25
  just
• 7:25
  got
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  things
• 7:26
  on
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  list
• 7:27
  and
• 7:27
  then
• 7:28
  you're
• 7:28
  ready
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  go.
• 7:29
  But
• 7:31
  if
• 7:31
  perfectionism
• 7:32
  is
• 7:32
  in
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  mix,
• 7:33
  it's
• 7:34
  very
• 7:34
  easy
• 7:34
  to,
• 7:35
  like,
• 7:35
  never
• 7:36
  feel
• 7:36
  like
• 7:36
  you're
• 7:37
  done
• 7:37
  getting
• 7:37
  the
• 7:38
  supplies
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  need.
• 7:39
  Because
• 7:40
  one
• 7:40
  of
• 7:40
  those
• 7:40
  things,
• 7:40
  like,
• 7:40
  the
• 7:40
  more
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  know,
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  more
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  know,
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  then
• 7:43
  you
• 7:43
  learn,
• 7:43
  like,
• 7:43
  oh,
• 7:44
  there's
• 7:44
  this
• 7:44
  thing
• 7:45
  and,
• 7:45
  oh,
• 7:45
  I
• 7:46
  should
• 7:46
  have
• 7:46
  thought
• 7:46
  about
• 7:46
  that
• 7:47
  thing.
• 7:47
  And,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:49
  know,
• 7:49
  it
• 7:49
  can
• 7:49
  be.
• 7:50
  It
• 7:50
  can
• 7:51
  completely
• 7:52
  block
• 7:52
  you
• 7:52
  from
• 7:54
  actually
• 7:54
  being
• 7:55
  creative.
• 7:57
  And
• 7:57
  presumably
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  fun
• 7:59
  part,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  mean,
• 8:00
  it
• 8:00
  is
• 8:00
  fun
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  buy
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  supplies
• 8:01
  and
• 8:02
  all
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  that
• 8:03
  stuff,
• 8:03
  but
• 8:03
  that's
• 8:03
  not
• 8:04
  why
• 8:04
  you're
• 8:05
  doing.
• 8:05
  You're
• 8:05
  not
• 8:05
  doing
• 8:06
  it
• 8:06
  just
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  buy
• 8:06
  supplies.
• 8:07
  That's
• 8:07
  not
• 8:07
  what
• 8:08
  it's
• 8:08
  about.
• 8:08
  Right?
• 8:09
  Yeah.
• 8:09
  I
• 8:10
  have
• 8:10
  seen,
• 8:10
  you
• 8:11
  know,
• 8:11
  in
• 8:11
  20
• 8:12
  years
• 8:12
  of
• 8:12
  being
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  professional
• 8:13
  organizer,
• 8:13
  I've
• 8:14
  seen
• 8:14
  many
• 8:15
  craft
• 8:16
  rooms
• 8:16
  where
• 8:17
  the
• 8:18
  client
• 8:18
  never
• 8:19
  actually
• 8:19
  did
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  craft.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:20
  we're
• 8:21
  in,
• 8:21
  like.
• 8:21
  And
• 8:22
  we're
• 8:22
  in
• 8:22
  there.
• 8:22
  Let's
• 8:23
  say
• 8:23
  we're
• 8:23
  there
• 8:23
  10
• 8:23
  years
• 8:23
  after
• 8:24
  they
• 8:24
  bought
• 8:24
  all
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  scrapbooking
• 8:25
  supplies,
• 8:25
  when
• 8:25
  scrapbooking
• 8:26
  was
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  thing
• 8:26
  to
• 8:27
  do.
• 8:27
  It's
• 8:28
  so
• 8:28
  overwhelming.
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  mean,
• 8:29
  that
• 8:29
  one.
• 8:30
  That's
• 8:30
  a
• 8:30
  tough.
• 8:30
  That's
• 8:31
  a.
• 8:32
  I
• 8:32
  think
• 8:32
  that's
• 8:32
  a
• 8:32
  tough
• 8:33
  thing
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  get
• 8:33
  into
• 8:34
  if
• 8:34
  you've
• 8:34
  got
• 8:34
  any
• 8:34
  perfectionist
• 8:35
  tendencies.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  so
• 8:38
  usually
• 8:38
  if
• 8:38
  they
• 8:38
  brought
• 8:39
  us
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  they're.
• 8:40
  They're
• 8:41
  ready
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  go
• 8:41
  ahead
• 8:41
  and
• 8:42
  let
• 8:42
  it
• 8:42
  go
• 8:42
  because
• 8:42
  we
• 8:42
  can
• 8:43
  donate
• 8:43
  it
• 8:43
  to
• 8:44
  somewhere
• 8:44
  where
• 8:44
  somebody
• 8:44
  else
• 8:45
  can
• 8:45
  use
• 8:45
  it
• 8:45
  or
• 8:45
  what
• 8:45
  have
• 8:46
  you.
• 8:47
  But
• 8:49
  it
• 8:49
  is
• 8:49
  amazing
• 8:49
  how
• 8:50
  you
• 8:51
  one
• 8:51
  can
• 8:51
  jump
• 8:52
  in
• 8:53
  thinking,
• 8:54
  like,
• 8:54
  they're
• 8:54
  all
• 8:54
  in
• 8:55
  on
• 8:55
  it
• 8:55
  and
• 8:55
  they
• 8:55
  buy
• 8:55
  all
• 8:55
  the
• 8:56
  stuff
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  they
• 8:56
  never
• 8:56
  actually
• 8:57
  do
• 8:57
  it.
• 8:58
  Yeah,
• 8:59
  yeah,
• 8:59
  absolutely.
• 9:01
  And,
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  mean,
• 9:03
  it's
• 9:03
  amazing
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  have
• 9:05
  space.
• 9:05
  Like
• 9:05
  you
• 9:06
  said,
• 9:06
  you
• 9:06
  have
• 9:06
  clients
• 9:06
  that
• 9:07
  have
• 9:07
  craft
• 9:07
  rooms.
• 9:08
  That's
• 9:09
  amazing.
• 9:09
  But
• 9:10
  for
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  lot
• 9:12
  of
• 9:12
  people,
• 9:13
  your
• 9:13
  craft
• 9:14
  space
• 9:14
  or
• 9:14
  your
• 9:14
  creative
• 9:15
  space,
• 9:15
  whatever
• 9:15
  you're
• 9:16
  doing
• 9:17
  is
• 9:18
  a
• 9:19
  regular
• 9:19
  part
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  your
• 9:20
  living
• 9:20
  area.
• 9:21
  It
• 9:21
  might
• 9:21
  be
• 9:22
  your
• 9:22
  desk
• 9:23
  if
• 9:23
  you
• 9:24
  are
• 9:24
  working
• 9:25
  from
• 9:25
  home
• 9:25
  and
• 9:26
  have
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  desk,
• 9:26
  or
• 9:26
  it
• 9:27
  might
• 9:27
  be
• 9:27
  your
• 9:27
  dining
• 9:28
  room
• 9:28
  table
• 9:28
  or,
• 9:30
  um,
• 9:32
  it
• 9:32
  might
• 9:32
  be
• 9:33
  a
• 9:34
  lap
• 9:34
  desk
• 9:35
  at,
• 9:35
  you
• 9:36
  know,
• 9:36
  on
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  couch,
• 9:38
  whatever
• 9:38
  it
• 9:38
  is.
• 9:39
  And
• 9:41
  so
• 9:42
  having
• 9:42
  that,
• 9:44
  you
• 9:44
  know,
• 9:45
  sort
• 9:45
  of
• 9:45
  depending
• 9:45
  on
• 9:46
  where
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  are
• 9:46
  in
• 9:46
  your
• 9:47
  life,
• 9:47
  having
• 9:48
  that
• 9:48
  clear
• 9:49
  enough
• 9:49
  to
• 9:50
  work
• 9:51
  or
• 9:51
  being
• 9:51
  able
• 9:52
  to
• 9:52
  clear
• 9:53
  away
• 9:53
  your
• 9:53
  stuff
• 9:55
  so
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  can
• 9:55
  then
• 9:56
  use
• 9:56
  that
• 9:57
  for
• 9:57
  its
• 9:59
  regular
• 9:59
  purpose
• 10:01
  is
• 10:02
  important
• 10:03
  and
• 10:03
  also
• 10:03
  difficult.
• 10:05
  Yeah,
• 10:05
  it
• 10:05
  can
• 10:06
  be
• 10:06
  really
• 10:06
  challenging.
• 10:07
  And
• 10:07
  I
• 10:08
  feel
• 10:08
  like
• 10:08
  my
• 10:09
  advice,
• 10:11
  generally
• 10:12
  speaking
• 10:12
  with
• 10:14
  creative
• 10:14
  endeavors,
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  to
• 10:16
  clear
• 10:17
  your
• 10:17
  space
• 10:17
  when
• 10:18
  you
• 10:18
  finish
• 10:18
  the
• 10:19
  session.
• 10:19
  If
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  don't
• 10:20
  have
• 10:20
  it,
• 10:20
  even
• 10:20
  if
• 10:20
  you
• 10:21
  have
• 10:21
  a
• 10:21
  dedicated
• 10:21
  space,
• 10:23
  ideally,
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  don't
• 10:23
  want
• 10:23
  to
• 10:24
  leave
• 10:24
  a
• 10:24
  big
• 10:25
  mess
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  sit
• 10:25
  back
• 10:26
  down
• 10:26
  to
• 10:26
  when
• 10:27
  you're
• 10:27
  trying
• 10:27
  to
• 10:27
  get
• 10:27
  creative
• 10:28
  again.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:29
  I'm
• 10:29
  remembering
• 10:29
  that
• 10:30
  one
• 10:30
  time
• 10:30
  I
• 10:31
  was
• 10:31
  invited
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  give
• 10:31
  a
• 10:32
  talk
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  quilters
• 10:33
  group
• 10:33
  in
• 10:33
  St.
• 10:33
  Louis
• 10:34
  about
• 10:34
  organizing
• 10:34
  your
• 10:35
  craft
• 10:35
  space.
• 10:36
  So
• 10:36
  I,
• 10:36
  you
• 10:36
  know,
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  had
• 10:37
  a
• 10:37
  prepared
• 10:37
  talk.
• 10:37
  I've
• 10:37
  given
• 10:38
  these
• 10:38
  talks
• 10:38
  before,
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  I
• 10:39
  went
• 10:39
  up
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  started
• 10:39
  saying
• 10:40
  what
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  usually
• 10:41
  say,
• 10:41
  which
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  think
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  said,
• 10:42
  well,
• 10:43
  so
• 10:43
  at
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  end
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  each
• 10:43
  day,
• 10:45
  make
• 10:45
  sure
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  leave
• 10:45
  enough
• 10:46
  time
• 10:46
  to
• 10:46
  go
• 10:46
  ahead
• 10:46
  and
• 10:46
  put
• 10:46
  away
• 10:47
  your
• 10:47
  supplies
• 10:47
  so
• 10:48
  that
• 10:48
  when
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  start
• 10:48
  the
• 10:49
  next.
• 10:49
  The
• 10:49
  next
• 10:50
  session,
• 10:50
  it
• 10:50
  will
• 10:50
  start
• 10:51
  easily.
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  they
• 10:53
  literally
• 10:53
  laughed
• 10:53
  at
• 10:53
  me.
• 10:54
  I.
• 10:54
  I've.
• 10:55
  I
• 10:55
  mean,
• 10:55
  I've
• 10:56
  never
• 10:56
  experienced
• 10:57
  that
• 10:57
  before.
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  was
• 10:58
  kind
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  offended.
• 10:58
  I'm
• 10:58
  like,
• 10:59
  I'm
• 10:59
  not
• 10:59
  kidding.
• 11:00
  And
• 11:00
  they're
• 11:01
  like,
• 11:02
  you're
• 11:02
  clearly
• 11:02
  not
• 11:03
  a
• 11:03
  quilter.
• 11:03
  They
• 11:03
  said.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  so
• 11:05
  apparently,
• 11:05
  I
• 11:06
  mean,
• 11:06
  everybody
• 11:07
  just
• 11:07
  discounted
• 11:08
  my
• 11:08
  advice
• 11:08
  completely.
• 11:08
  So
• 11:09
  apparently
• 11:09
  for
• 11:09
  quilters,
• 11:10
  it's
• 11:10
  a
• 11:10
  different
• 11:11
  thing.
• 11:11
  Not
• 11:12
  sure
• 11:12
  what.
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  didn't
• 11:12
  have
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  answer
• 11:13
  for
• 11:13
  them
• 11:13
  because
• 11:14
  I
• 11:14
  didn't
• 11:14
  fully
• 11:14
  understand
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  situation.
• 11:15
  I
• 11:16
  guess
• 11:16
  they
• 11:17
  have
• 11:17
  a
• 11:17
  lot
• 11:17
  of
• 11:17
  stuff,
• 11:17
  though.
• 11:18
  Yeah,
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  know.
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  mean,
• 11:19
  the
• 11:20
  quilters
• 11:20
  I
• 11:20
  know
• 11:20
  have
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  lot
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  stuff,
• 11:21
  and
• 11:23
  they
• 11:23
  leave
• 11:24
  it
• 11:24
  out
• 11:25
  so
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  they
• 11:26
  can
• 11:26
  go
• 11:26
  Back
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  it.
• 11:27
  Because
• 11:28
  it's
• 11:28
  generally
• 11:30
  big
• 11:30
  stuff
• 11:31
  and.
• 11:31
  Yeah,
• 11:32
  yeah,
• 11:32
  it
• 11:33
  takes
• 11:33
  a
• 11:33
  lot
• 11:33
  of
• 11:33
  space.
• 11:34
  And
• 11:37
  usually
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  think
• 11:38
  they
• 11:38
  have
• 11:38
  a
• 11:39
  dedicated
• 11:39
  space
• 11:40
  to
• 11:40
  work
• 11:40
  on
• 11:40
  it
• 11:41
  or
• 11:41
  they
• 11:41
  have
• 11:42
  given
• 11:42
  over
• 11:42
  their
• 11:42
  dining
• 11:43
  room
• 11:43
  table
• 11:43
  to
• 11:43
  it.
• 11:44
  Right.
• 11:44
  And
• 11:44
  then
• 11:45
  that's
• 11:45
  okay
• 11:45
  with
• 11:45
  them,
• 11:45
  Right?
• 11:46
  Yeah,
• 11:47
  yeah.
• 11:47
  So
• 11:47
  I
• 11:47
  think
• 11:48
  for
• 11:48
  when
• 11:49
  possible,
• 11:50
  like
• 11:50
  in
• 11:50
  my
• 11:50
  life
• 11:50
  where
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  made
• 11:51
  paper
• 11:52
  flowers
• 11:52
  on
• 11:52
  my
• 11:53
  desk,
• 11:54
  my
• 11:54
  work
• 11:54
  desk,
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  had.
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  had
• 11:56
  my
• 11:56
  organized
• 11:57
  containers,
• 11:57
  so
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  was
• 11:58
  able
• 11:58
  to
• 11:58
  put
• 11:58
  stuff
• 11:58
  away
• 11:59
  each
• 11:59
  time
• 12:00
  actually
• 12:00
  also
• 12:00
  involved
• 12:01
  dye
• 12:01
  and
• 12:01
  stuff.
• 12:01
  I
• 12:02
  mean,
• 12:02
  it
• 12:02
  was
• 12:02
  a
• 12:03
  whole
• 12:04
  dangerous
• 12:05
  looking
• 12:06
  mess
• 12:06
  potential.
• 12:07
  It
• 12:08
  all
• 12:08
  worked
• 12:08
  out.
• 12:08
  Nothing
• 12:09
  bad
• 12:09
  happened.
• 12:10
  But
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  have
• 12:11
  this
• 12:11
  beautiful
• 12:12
  white
• 12:12
  desk,
• 12:12
  so
• 12:13
  I
• 12:13
  was
• 12:13
  a
• 12:13
  little
• 12:13
  bit
• 12:13
  concerned.
• 12:14
  Right.
• 12:15
  But
• 12:15
  yeah,
• 12:15
  if
• 12:15
  you
• 12:16
  can
• 12:16
  take,
• 12:16
  you
• 12:17
  know,
• 12:17
  budget
• 12:17
  time
• 12:18
  in
• 12:18
  your
• 12:18
  craft
• 12:19
  time,
• 12:20
  I
• 12:20
  always
• 12:21
  suggest
• 12:21
  at
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  end
• 12:21
  of
• 12:22
  a
• 12:22
  session
• 12:23
  to
• 12:23
  actually
• 12:24
  put
• 12:24
  this
• 12:24
  stuff
• 12:24
  away.
• 12:25
  That
• 12:25
  just
• 12:25
  makes
• 12:26
  life
• 12:26
  easier
• 12:27
  when
• 12:27
  you
• 12:27
  go
• 12:27
  back
• 12:27
  to
• 12:28
  that
• 12:28
  space,
• 12:28
  regardless
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  what
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  want
• 12:29
  to
• 12:29
  use
• 12:29
  it
• 12:29
  for.
• 12:30
  Yeah.
• 12:32
  Two
• 12:33
  things.
• 12:34
  One,
• 12:36
  I
• 12:37
  have
• 12:37
  a
• 12:37
  lot
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  really
• 12:38
  great
• 12:39
  bags
• 12:40
  that
• 12:40
  I
• 12:41
  don't
• 12:41
  really
• 12:42
  use
• 12:43
  that
• 12:43
  much.
• 12:44
  And
• 12:44
  so
• 12:44
  I've
• 12:45
  started
• 12:45
  putting
• 12:46
  different
• 12:47
  things
• 12:47
  that
• 12:47
  I'm
• 12:47
  working
• 12:48
  on
• 12:48
  in
• 12:48
  different
• 12:48
  bags
• 12:50
  so
• 12:51
  they're
• 12:52
  accessible,
• 12:53
  but
• 12:53
  it's
• 12:53
  put
• 12:54
  away
• 12:54
  and
• 12:54
  it's
• 12:55
  easy.
• 12:55
  Like,
• 12:56
  you
• 12:57
  know,
• 12:57
  for
• 12:57
  my
• 12:57
  visible
• 12:58
  mending,
• 12:59
  I
• 12:59
  have
• 13:00
  a
• 13:00
  bag
• 13:00
  that
• 13:00
  actually.
• 13:01
  You
• 13:01
  gave
• 13:01
  me
• 13:03
  that
• 13:03
  polka
• 13:03
  dot
• 13:04
  bag.
• 13:04
  That's
• 13:05
  so
• 13:05
  cute.
• 13:08
  And
• 13:08
  I
• 13:08
  just
• 13:09
  keep
• 13:09
  everything
• 13:09
  in
• 13:09
  there
• 13:10
  and
• 13:10
  so
• 13:10
  it's
• 13:11
  easy
• 13:11
  to
• 13:12
  put
• 13:12
  away.
• 13:12
  Everything's
• 13:13
  contained
• 13:14
  and
• 13:14
  then.
• 13:14
  And
• 13:15
  then
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  have
• 13:15
  everything
• 13:15
  I
• 13:16
  need
• 13:16
  when
• 13:17
  I
• 13:17
  want
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  do
• 13:17
  it.
• 13:18
  And
• 13:18
  it's
• 13:18
  portable,
• 13:19
  so
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  can
• 13:19
  take
• 13:20
  it
• 13:20
  with
• 13:20
  me.
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  can
• 13:21
  take
• 13:21
  it
• 13:22
  to
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  sofa,
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  can
• 13:23
  take
• 13:24
  it,
• 13:24
  you
• 13:24
  know,
• 13:25
  outside.
• 13:25
  I
• 13:26
  can
• 13:26
  do,
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  know,
• 13:27
  whatever,
• 13:27
  wherever
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  want
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  work
• 13:28
  on
• 13:29
  it.
• 13:29
  And
• 13:29
  that's
• 13:30
  been
• 13:30
  a
• 13:30
  really
• 13:30
  great
• 13:31
  way
• 13:31
  to
• 13:33
  contain
• 13:34
  things
• 13:34
  and.
• 13:35
  And
• 13:35
  also
• 13:36
  use
• 13:37
  all
• 13:37
  these
• 13:37
  really
• 13:37
  great
• 13:38
  bags
• 13:38
  that
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  love
• 13:39
  that
• 13:39
  we're
• 13:40
  just
• 13:40
  sitting
• 13:40
  in
• 13:40
  a
• 13:41
  closet,
• 13:41
  not
• 13:41
  getting
• 13:41
  used.
• 13:42
  Yes.
• 13:42
  It's
• 13:43
  like
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  have
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  kit,
• 13:44
  right?
• 13:44
  You
• 13:44
  have
• 13:44
  your
• 13:45
  visible
• 13:45
  mending
• 13:45
  kit.
• 13:46
  That's
• 13:46
  awesome.
• 13:46
  Yeah,
• 13:47
  we
• 13:47
  knitters,
• 13:48
  we
• 13:48
  often
• 13:48
  will
• 13:49
  do
• 13:49
  that
• 13:50
  for
• 13:50
  our
• 13:50
  works
• 13:51
  in
• 13:51
  progress.
• 13:52
  Right.
• 13:52
  So
• 13:52
  if
• 13:52
  I'm
• 13:53
  working
• 13:53
  on
• 13:53
  a.
• 13:54
  What
• 13:54
  do
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  work
• 13:54
  on?
• 13:55
  A
• 13:55
  bag,
• 13:56
  I
• 13:57
  can
• 13:57
  have
• 13:57
  all
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  yarn
• 13:57
  and
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  needles
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  stuff
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  pattern
• 13:59
  all
• 13:59
  together.
• 13:59
  And
• 14:00
  then
• 14:00
  it's
• 14:00
  just
• 14:00
  a
• 14:00
  matter
• 14:00
  of
• 14:01
  figuring
• 14:01
  out
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  place
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  put
• 14:02
  that,
• 14:02
  which
• 14:03
  isn't
• 14:03
  that
• 14:03
  hard.
• 14:03
  I
• 14:03
  knew
• 14:04
  I
• 14:04
  had
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  friend
• 14:04
  who
• 14:04
  was
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  sewer
• 14:05
  and
• 14:05
  she
• 14:05
  had
• 14:05
  a.
• 14:05
  She
• 14:06
  did
• 14:06
  have
• 14:06
  a
• 14:06
  dedicated
• 14:07
  room
• 14:07
  in
• 14:07
  her
• 14:07
  apart
• 14:08
  a
• 14:08
  house.
• 14:09
  And
• 14:09
  she
• 14:09
  put
• 14:09
  hooks
• 14:10
  on
• 14:10
  the
• 14:10
  walls
• 14:10
  and
• 14:10
  she
• 14:11
  had.
• 14:11
  They
• 14:11
  were
• 14:13
  those
• 14:13
  nylon
• 14:14
  reusable
• 14:14
  shopping
• 14:15
  bags
• 14:15
  that
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  can
• 14:15
  buy
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  ones
• 14:16
  that
• 14:16
  sort
• 14:16
  of
• 14:16
  fold
• 14:16
  into
• 14:17
  themselves.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:18
  she.
• 14:18
  They
• 14:18
  were
• 14:18
  pretty
• 14:19
  patterns,
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  she
• 14:20
  had
• 14:20
  one
• 14:20
  for
• 14:20
  each
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  her
• 14:21
  works
• 14:21
  in
• 14:21
  progress,
• 14:22
  and
• 14:22
  she
• 14:23
  hung
• 14:23
  them
• 14:23
  on
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  wall
• 14:24
  because
• 14:24
  it
• 14:24
  was
• 14:25
  pretty
• 14:25
  to
• 14:25
  her.
• 14:25
  Yeah.
• 14:26
  And
• 14:26
  it
• 14:26
  was
• 14:26
  really
• 14:26
  easy
• 14:26
  for
• 14:27
  her
• 14:27
  to
• 14:28
  get
• 14:28
  stuff
• 14:28
  out
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  put
• 14:28
  them
• 14:28
  away.
• 14:29
  Right.
• 14:30
  Well.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:30
  that
• 14:30
  also
• 14:33
  helps
• 14:35
  alleviate
• 14:36
  that
• 14:36
  object
• 14:36
  impermanence
• 14:37
  problem
• 14:38
  of
• 14:38
  if
• 14:38
  you
• 14:38
  don't
• 14:39
  see
• 14:39
  it,
• 14:39
  you
• 14:39
  forget
• 14:40
  about
• 14:40
  it,
• 14:41
  because
• 14:41
  they're
• 14:42
  right
• 14:42
  there
• 14:43
  hanging
• 14:43
  there.
• 14:44
  She
• 14:45
  can
• 14:45
  easily
• 14:45
  see
• 14:46
  them.
• 14:46
  And
• 14:46
  that's
• 14:47
  what
• 14:47
  I've
• 14:47
  noticed
• 14:47
  with
• 14:47
  my
• 14:48
  bag.
• 14:48
  I
• 14:48
  don't
• 14:48
  have
• 14:48
  to
• 14:48
  leave
• 14:49
  my
• 14:49
  sewing
• 14:50
  out
• 14:51
  to
• 14:51
  remember
• 14:52
  to
• 14:52
  do
• 14:52
  it.
• 14:52
  I
• 14:53
  have
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  bag
• 14:53
  and
• 14:54
  I
• 14:54
  see
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  bag
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  I
• 14:55
  remember
• 14:55
  like,
• 14:55
  oh,
• 14:56
  yeah.
• 14:56
  And
• 14:57
  does
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  bag
• 14:57
  have
• 14:58
  a
• 14:58
  home
• 14:58
  or
• 14:58
  does
• 14:58
  it
• 14:58
  just
• 14:59
  live
• 14:59
  wherever
• 14:59
  it
• 14:59
  lives?
• 15:00
  It
• 15:00
  just
• 15:00
  lives
• 15:01
  wherever
• 15:01
  it
• 15:01
  lives.
• 15:02
  And
• 15:02
  it's
• 15:02
  cute.
• 15:03
  So
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  don't
• 15:03
  mind.
• 15:04
  I
• 15:04
  mean,
• 15:04
  right
• 15:05
  now
• 15:05
  it's.
• 15:05
  It's
• 15:06
  actually
• 15:06
  living
• 15:06
  on
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  floor
• 15:07
  next
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  my
• 15:08
  desk.
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  have
• 15:08
  it
• 15:09
  right
• 15:09
  here.
• 15:10
  Oh,
• 15:11
  show
• 15:11
  the.
• 15:11
  Show
• 15:11
  the
• 15:12
  bag.
• 15:12
  It
• 15:13
  is
• 15:13
  a
• 15:13
  cute
• 15:13
  bag.
• 15:13
  It
• 15:14
  is
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  cute
• 15:14
  bag.
• 15:14
  Yeah.
• 15:15
  That
• 15:15
  was
• 15:15
  a
• 15:15
  knitting
• 15:15
  bag
• 15:16
  from
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  knitting
• 15:16
  company.
• 15:17
  Yeah.
• 15:17
  Oh,
• 15:18
  yeah.
• 15:18
  It
• 15:18
  says
• 15:18
  something
• 15:18
  on
• 15:18
  the
• 15:19
  back.
• 15:20
  Knit
• 15:21
  pickers
• 15:21
  is
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  brand
• 15:22
  Nitpickers,
• 15:23
  right?
• 15:24
  Yeah.
• 15:24
  That's
• 15:25
  excellent.
• 15:25
  I
• 15:25
  can't
• 15:25
  even
• 15:26
  remember
• 15:26
  how
• 15:26
  I.
• 15:27
  How
• 15:27
  were
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  visiting
• 15:28
  me
• 15:28
  and
• 15:28
  I
• 15:29
  offered
• 15:29
  it
• 15:29
  to
• 15:29
  you.
• 15:29
  How
• 15:30
  did
• 15:30
  you
• 15:30
  end
• 15:30
  up
• 15:30
  with
• 15:30
  that
• 15:30
  bag?
• 15:31
  It
• 15:32
  was
• 15:32
  when
• 15:33
  you're
• 15:33
  downsizing,
• 15:34
  when
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  was
• 15:35
  there
• 15:35
  helping.
• 15:37
  Oh,
• 15:37
  you
• 15:37
  got
• 15:37
  it
• 15:38
  after
• 15:38
  we
• 15:38
  moved.
• 15:39
  Oh,
• 15:39
  yes.
• 15:40
  Yeah.
• 15:40
  And
• 15:40
  you
• 15:40
  had
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  bunch
• 15:41
  of
• 15:41
  stuff,
• 15:42
  remember,
• 15:42
  in
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  basement,
• 15:44
  or
• 15:45
  you
• 15:45
  might
• 15:45
  have
• 15:45
  already
• 15:46
  moved
• 15:46
  it,
• 15:46
  and
• 15:46
  you
• 15:47
  were
• 15:47
  like,
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  don't
• 15:48
  have
• 15:48
  room
• 15:48
  for
• 15:48
  this
• 15:48
  stuff.
• 15:49
  And
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  had
• 15:49
  a
• 15:49
  number
• 15:50
  of
• 15:50
  bags
• 15:51
  that
• 15:52
  you
• 15:52
  loved
• 15:53
  but
• 15:53
  didn't
• 15:53
  really
• 15:53
  want
• 15:54
  to
• 15:54
  get
• 15:54
  rid
• 15:54
  of.
• 15:54
  And.
• 15:55
  And
• 15:55
  you
• 15:56
  helped
• 15:56
  me
• 15:56
  out.
• 15:57
  I
• 15:57
  took
• 15:57
  them
• 15:57
  all.
• 15:58
  Oh,
• 15:59
  thank
• 16:00
  you.
• 16:00
  Thank
• 16:01
  you
• 16:01
  so
• 16:01
  much.
• 16:02
  But
• 16:03
  I've
• 16:03
  used
• 16:03
  them
• 16:04
  all
• 16:04
  too,
• 16:05
  so.
• 16:05
  So
• 16:06
  that's.
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  mean,
• 16:06
  that
• 16:07
  really
• 16:07
  is
• 16:07
  when
• 16:08
  we're
• 16:08
  talking
• 16:08
  to
• 16:08
  clients
• 16:08
  about
• 16:09
  letting
• 16:09
  go
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  stuff.
• 16:10
  It's
• 16:11
  so
• 16:11
  true
• 16:11
  that
• 16:12
  if
• 16:12
  something
• 16:12
  that's
• 16:13
  getting
• 16:13
  in
• 16:13
  their
• 16:13
  way,
• 16:14
  like
• 16:14
  that
• 16:14
  was
• 16:15
  in
• 16:15
  my
• 16:15
  house
• 16:15
  because
• 16:15
  we
• 16:16
  downsized,
• 16:16
  can.
• 16:17
  Can
• 16:17
  actually
• 16:17
  live
• 16:18
  a
• 16:18
  fulfilling
• 16:18
  life
• 16:19
  in
• 16:19
  somebody
• 16:19
  else's
• 16:20
  hands.
• 16:20
  So,
• 16:20
  yeah.
• 16:21
  Yay.
• 16:22
  Yeah.
• 16:22
  It
• 16:23
  made
• 16:23
  me
• 16:23
  very
• 16:23
  happy.
• 16:24
  But
• 16:24
  I
• 16:25
  was
• 16:25
  also
• 16:25
  thinking
• 16:26
  about
• 16:26
  how
• 16:27
  this
• 16:27
  idea
• 16:29
  is
• 16:30
  helpful
• 16:31
  for
• 16:31
  sort
• 16:31
  of
• 16:32
  any
• 16:33
  space
• 16:33
  for
• 16:33
  anything.
• 16:34
  It's
• 16:34
  not
• 16:35
  just
• 16:35
  crafting
• 16:36
  or
• 16:37
  mending
• 16:38
  or
• 16:38
  whatever.
• 16:39
  I
• 16:39
  mean,
• 16:41
  my
• 16:41
  life
• 16:41
  is
• 16:41
  better
• 16:42
  when
• 16:42
  I
• 16:44
  end
• 16:46
  my
• 16:46
  workday
• 16:47
  at
• 16:47
  my
• 16:48
  desk,
• 16:48
  clear
• 16:49
  my
• 16:49
  desk,
• 16:49
  and
• 16:52
  prepare
• 16:53
  what
• 16:53
  I'm
• 16:53
  going
• 16:54
  to
• 16:54
  work
• 16:55
  on
• 16:55
  first
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  next
• 16:56
  day.
• 16:57
  The
• 16:57
  problem
• 16:58
  is
• 16:58
  I
• 16:58
  don't
• 16:58
  do
• 16:59
  that
• 16:59
  very
• 16:59
  often,
• 17:00
  and
• 17:01
  my
• 17:01
  Desk
• 17:02
  looks
• 17:02
  like
• 17:02
  it
• 17:02
  does
• 17:03
  right
• 17:03
  now,
• 17:03
  which
• 17:03
  is
• 17:05
  sort
• 17:05
  of
• 17:05
  the
• 17:06
  three
• 17:06
  things
• 17:07
  that
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  have
• 17:08
  been
• 17:08
  working
• 17:08
  on
• 17:08
  the
• 17:09
  last
• 17:09
  two
• 17:09
  days
• 17:09
  are
• 17:10
  piled
• 17:11
  up
• 17:11
  in
• 17:11
  front
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  me.
• 17:12
  Nothing's
• 17:12
  put
• 17:13
  away.
• 17:13
  There's,
• 17:14
  you
• 17:14
  know,
• 17:16
  because
• 17:16
  I
• 17:16
  have
• 17:16
  a
• 17:17
  cat
• 17:17
  that
• 17:17
  insists
• 17:18
  on
• 17:18
  sleeping
• 17:18
  on
• 17:18
  my
• 17:19
  desk.
• 17:19
  And
• 17:19
  so
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  have
• 17:21
  a
• 17:21
  little
• 17:22
  bed
• 17:22
  for
• 17:22
  her,
• 17:23
  you
• 17:23
  know,
• 17:23
  that
• 17:23
  takes
• 17:24
  up
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  third
• 17:25
  of
• 17:25
  my
• 17:25
  desk.
• 17:26
  Right.
• 17:26
  But
• 17:27
  there's
• 17:28
  no
• 17:28
  arguing
• 17:29
  with
• 17:29
  that.
• 17:30
  No,
• 17:30
  she's
• 17:31
  gonna
• 17:31
  be
• 17:31
  there.
• 17:33
  So
• 17:33
  I
• 17:34
  don't
• 17:34
  have
• 17:34
  a
• 17:34
  lot
• 17:34
  of
• 17:34
  space
• 17:35
  and
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  feel
• 17:36
  like
• 17:36
  my
• 17:37
  stuff
• 17:37
  is
• 17:37
  encroaching
• 17:38
  on
• 17:38
  me
• 17:38
  so
• 17:39
  that
• 17:41
  it
• 17:41
  makes
• 17:41
  me
• 17:42
  not
• 17:42
  even
• 17:42
  want
• 17:42
  to
• 17:42
  come
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  my
• 17:43
  desk.
• 17:43
  Oh,
• 17:44
  yeah.
• 17:45
  Well,
• 17:45
  that's
• 17:46
  such
• 17:46
  a
• 17:46
  sad
• 17:47
  face.
• 17:49
  Because,
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  know,
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  thing
• 17:50
  is
• 17:50
  about
• 17:51
  that.
• 17:51
  I
• 17:51
  know
• 17:51
  exactly
• 17:52
  what
• 17:52
  you're
• 17:52
  saying,
• 17:52
  because
• 17:53
  I
• 17:53
  try
• 17:53
  to
• 17:54
  clear
• 17:54
  off
• 17:54
  my
• 17:54
  desk
• 17:54
  every
• 17:55
  night
• 17:55
  and
• 17:55
  I
• 17:56
  don't
• 17:56
  always
• 17:56
  succeed.
• 17:57
  But
• 17:58
  if
• 17:58
  you
• 17:59
  do
• 17:59
  it
• 17:59
  every
• 17:59
  day,
• 18:00
  as
• 18:00
  long
• 18:00
  as
• 18:00
  everything
• 18:01
  has
• 18:01
  a
• 18:01
  home,
• 18:01
  it
• 18:02
  takes
• 18:02
  no
• 18:02
  time
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  clean
• 18:04
  off
• 18:04
  a
• 18:04
  day's
• 18:04
  worth
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  stuff
• 18:05
  on
• 18:05
  your
• 18:05
  desk.
• 18:05
  Oh,
• 18:06
  so.
• 18:06
  I
• 18:06
  know,
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  know.
• 18:08
  Right.
• 18:08
  So
• 18:08
  it's
• 18:09
  worth
• 18:09
  that
• 18:10
  effort
• 18:11
  if
• 18:11
  you
• 18:11
  can
• 18:11
  get
• 18:11
  yourself
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  do
• 18:12
  it.
• 18:12
  Well,
• 18:13
  my
• 18:13
  real
• 18:14
  problem
• 18:14
  is
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  don't
• 18:16
  have
• 18:17
  like
• 18:17
  a
• 18:17
  solid
• 18:18
  end
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  my
• 18:18
  workday.
• 18:20
  I
• 18:20
  just
• 18:21
  sort
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  end
• 18:22
  up
• 18:23
  drifting
• 18:23
  away
• 18:23
  from
• 18:24
  my
• 18:24
  desk
• 18:24
  at
• 18:25
  some
• 18:25
  point
• 18:25
  and
• 18:25
  not
• 18:25
  going
• 18:26
  back.
• 18:27
  The
• 18:27
  curse
• 18:27
  of
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  self
• 18:28
  employed.
• 18:29
  Right,
• 18:30
  right.
• 18:30
  Yeah.
• 18:30
  Right.
• 18:31
  And
• 18:31
  I'm
• 18:31
  guessing
• 18:32
  that
• 18:32
  there
• 18:32
  are
• 18:32
  probably
• 18:33
  multiple
• 18:33
  episodes
• 18:34
  in
• 18:35
  our
• 18:35
  back
• 18:35
  catalog
• 18:36
  where
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  have
• 18:36
  talked
• 18:37
  about
• 18:37
  this
• 18:37
  issue
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  I
• 18:39
  resolved
• 18:40
  for
• 18:40
  a
• 18:40
  period
• 18:40
  of
• 18:40
  time.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:44
  then,
• 18:45
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:46
  it
• 18:46
  just.
• 18:46
  Nothing
• 18:47
  really
• 18:47
  sticks
• 18:48
  because
• 18:49
  of
• 18:49
  how
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  work.
• 18:53
  Well,
• 18:54
  if.
• 18:54
  If
• 18:54
  having
• 18:55
  an
• 18:56
  end
• 18:56
  time
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  your
• 18:56
  day
• 18:57
  is
• 18:57
  appealing,
• 18:58
  you
• 18:58
  could
• 18:59
  combine
• 18:59
  these
• 18:59
  two
• 19:00
  things
• 19:00
  because
• 19:00
  you
• 19:00
  could
• 19:00
  have
• 19:01
  this
• 19:01
  mechanism
• 19:01
  that
• 19:02
  if
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  decide,
• 19:02
  for
• 19:03
  example,
• 19:03
  I'm
• 19:03
  going
• 19:03
  to
• 19:04
  stop
• 19:04
  at
• 19:04
  4:30
• 19:05
  every
• 19:05
  day,
• 19:06
  then
• 19:07
  you
• 19:07
  have
• 19:07
  this
• 19:07
  action
• 19:08
  you
• 19:08
  can
• 19:08
  do,
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  know,
• 19:09
  putting
• 19:09
  your
• 19:09
  desk
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  bed.
• 19:11
  Like
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  way
• 19:11
  you
• 19:11
  put
• 19:11
  your
• 19:11
  house.
• 19:12
  Yeah,
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  way
• 19:12
  I
• 19:13
  put
• 19:13
  my
• 19:13
  house
• 19:13
  to
• 19:13
  bed.
• 19:14
  Yeah,
• 19:14
  yeah.
• 19:14
  Put
• 19:15
  your
• 19:15
  desk
• 19:15
  to
• 19:15
  bed
• 19:15
  at
• 19:15
  4:30
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  then
• 19:16
  you're
• 19:16
  not.
• 19:17
  Then
• 19:17
  maybe
• 19:17
  that'll
• 19:18
  have
• 19:18
  you
• 19:18
  leave
• 19:19
  and
• 19:19
  go
• 19:19
  to
• 19:19
  another
• 19:19
  part
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  your
• 19:20
  house
• 19:20
  and
• 19:20
  be
• 19:20
  off
• 19:21
  duty.
• 19:22
  Yeah.
• 19:22
  Which
• 19:23
  probably
• 19:24
  would
• 19:24
  be
• 19:24
  a
• 19:24
  good
• 19:24
  thing.
• 19:25
  Yeah.
• 19:26
  I've
• 19:26
  been.
• 19:27
  My
• 19:27
  friend
• 19:27
  Geraldine
• 19:28
  was
• 19:28
  just
• 19:28
  saying
• 19:28
  that.
• 19:29
  She
• 19:29
  tries
• 19:29
  not
• 19:30
  to.
• 19:31
  I
• 19:32
  can't.
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  think
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  was
• 19:32
  telling
• 19:33
  her
• 19:33
  about
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  webinar
• 19:33
  or
• 19:34
  something
• 19:34
  that
• 19:34
  was
• 19:34
  in
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  late
• 19:35
  afternoon,
• 19:35
  and
• 19:35
  she
• 19:35
  said,
• 19:36
  oh,
• 19:36
  it's
• 19:36
  after
• 19:36
  four.
• 19:37
  I
• 19:37
  don't
• 19:37
  do
• 19:38
  anything
• 19:38
  after
• 19:38
  four.
• 19:39
  She's
• 19:39
  retired
• 19:40
  now,
• 19:40
  so
• 19:40
  she
• 19:40
  can
• 19:40
  do
• 19:40
  that.
• 19:41
  But.
• 19:41
  But
• 19:42
  even
• 19:42
  before
• 19:42
  she
• 19:42
  retired,
• 19:43
  she
• 19:43
  said
• 19:43
  she
• 19:43
  tried
• 19:43
  to
• 19:44
  work
• 19:44
  between
• 19:44
  10
• 19:44
  and
• 19:44
  4
• 19:44
  only.
• 19:45
  I'm
• 19:45
  like,
• 19:45
  well,
• 19:46
  that's
• 19:46
  admirable.
• 19:47
  So
• 19:47
  I've
• 19:47
  been
• 19:47
  trying
• 19:48
  to
• 19:48
  do
• 19:48
  that
• 19:49
  with
• 19:49
  some
• 19:50
  success
• 19:50
  actually,
• 19:52
  in
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  last
• 19:53
  couple
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  weeks.
• 19:54
  4
• 19:54
  o'
• 19:54
  clock
• 19:55
  is
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  nice
• 19:56
  time
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  stop
• 19:56
  working.
• 19:58
  Yeah.
• 19:58
  If
• 19:58
  you're
• 19:59
  in
• 19:59
  a
• 19:59
  position
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  do
• 20:00
  that.
• 20:00
  To
• 20:00
  do
• 20:00
  that.
• 20:00
  Exactly.
• 20:02
  If
• 20:02
  you're
• 20:02
  your
• 20:02
  own
• 20:02
  boss.
• 20:03
  The
• 20:03
  people
• 20:04
  cursing
• 20:04
  us
• 20:05
  who,
• 20:05
  like,
• 20:05
  have
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  stay
• 20:06
  at
• 20:07
  their
• 20:07
  work
• 20:08
  until
• 20:08
  5:00
• 20:09
  or
• 20:09
  whatever.
• 20:09
  Yeah,
• 20:09
  but.
• 20:10
  Right.
• 20:10
  But
• 20:10
  at
• 20:10
  least
• 20:11
  they
• 20:11
  get
• 20:11
  to
• 20:11
  leave
• 20:11
  their
• 20:11
  work.
• 20:12
  Right?
• 20:12
  Yes.
• 20:13
  The
• 20:13
  folks
• 20:14
  who
• 20:14
  work
• 20:14
  don't
• 20:14
  work
• 20:14
  from
• 20:15
  home,
• 20:16
  but.
• 20:16
  Yeah.
• 20:16
  So
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  like
• 20:17
  this
• 20:18
  idea
• 20:18
  of
• 20:19
  trying
• 20:19
  to
• 20:20
  end
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  workday
• 20:21
  because
• 20:21
  I
• 20:21
  too
• 20:21
  have
• 20:21
  that
• 20:22
  problem.
• 20:23
  And
• 20:24
  it's
• 20:24
  not
• 20:24
  that
• 20:24
  I'm
• 20:24
  working
• 20:24
  that
• 20:25
  hard
• 20:25
  either.
• 20:25
  It's
• 20:25
  just
• 20:26
  sometimes
• 20:26
  I'm
• 20:26
  just
• 20:27
  wasting
• 20:28
  time
• 20:28
  at
• 20:28
  my
• 20:28
  desk.
• 20:29
  Right.
• 20:30
  But
• 20:30
  putting,
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:31
  putting
• 20:31
  everything
• 20:32
  away
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  mark
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  end,
• 20:33
  that
• 20:33
  seems.
• 20:34
  And
• 20:34
  that's
• 20:34
  true,
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  you
• 20:35
  say,
• 20:35
  of
• 20:35
  anything,
• 20:35
  could
• 20:36
  be
• 20:36
  work,
• 20:36
  could
• 20:37
  be
• 20:37
  crafting,
• 20:37
  could
• 20:37
  be
• 20:38
  writing
• 20:39
  letters,
• 20:40
  whatever.
• 20:41
  Right,
• 20:41
  right.
• 20:42
  And
• 20:42
  like
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  said,
• 20:43
  if.
• 20:43
  If
• 20:43
  you
• 20:43
  keep
• 20:44
  up
• 20:44
  with
• 20:44
  it,
• 20:44
  it
• 20:45
  doesn't
• 20:45
  take
• 20:45
  that
• 20:45
  long.
• 20:46
  But
• 20:46
  also,
• 20:48
  even
• 20:48
  if
• 20:48
  you
• 20:48
  don't
• 20:48
  keep
• 20:49
  up
• 20:49
  with
• 20:49
  it
• 20:50
  in
• 20:50
  whatever
• 20:51
  situation
• 20:51
  we're
• 20:52
  talking
• 20:52
  about,
• 20:53
  it
• 20:53
  doesn't
• 20:53
  take
• 20:54
  that
• 20:54
  long
• 20:54
  because
• 20:54
  it's
• 20:55
  a
• 20:55
  finite
• 20:55
  space.
• 20:57
  And.
• 20:57
  Yeah,
• 20:58
  that's
• 20:58
  true.
• 20:58
  Although
• 20:58
  I
• 20:59
  had
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  practice
• 21:00
  client
• 21:00
  early
• 21:01
  on
• 21:01
  in
• 21:01
  my
• 21:01
  career
• 21:02
  and
• 21:03
  it.
• 21:04
  We
• 21:04
  took.
• 21:04
  It
• 21:05
  took
• 21:05
  us
• 21:05
  eight
• 21:05
  hours
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  clear
• 21:05
  her
• 21:06
  desk.
• 21:07
  Wow.
• 21:09
  That
• 21:10
  was
• 21:10
  fun.
• 21:10
  That
• 21:10
  was
• 21:10
  a
• 21:11
  great
• 21:11
  learning
• 21:11
  experience
• 21:11
  for
• 21:12
  me.
• 21:12
  Epic
• 21:12
  levels
• 21:13
  of.
• 21:13
  I
• 21:13
  mean,
• 21:13
  was
• 21:14
  it
• 21:14
  because
• 21:14
  you
• 21:15
  were
• 21:15
  like
• 21:15
  having
• 21:15
  to
• 21:16
  file
• 21:16
  papers
• 21:16
  or
• 21:17
  something?
• 21:17
  No,
• 21:17
  it's
• 21:18
  more
• 21:18
  like
• 21:18
  every
• 21:18
  object
• 21:19
  had
• 21:19
  a
• 21:19
  story.
• 21:20
  Oh,
• 21:21
  yeah.
• 21:21
  Yeah.
• 21:22
  So
• 21:22
  it
• 21:22
  was
• 21:22
  more
• 21:23
  like
• 21:23
  that.
• 21:23
  A
• 21:23
  little
• 21:24
  bit
• 21:24
  of
• 21:24
  indecision
• 21:24
  in
• 21:24
  there.
• 21:24
  But
• 21:25
  you're
• 21:25
  right,
• 21:25
  a
• 21:25
  desk,
• 21:26
  especially,
• 21:26
  even
• 21:26
  if
• 21:27
  it's
• 21:27
  a
• 21:27
  month
• 21:28
  yet,
• 21:28
  since
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  cleared
• 21:29
  it
• 21:29
  off,
• 21:30
  it
• 21:31
  probably
• 21:31
  wouldn't
• 21:32
  take
• 21:32
  you
• 21:32
  too
• 21:32
  long.
• 21:33
  But
• 21:33
  yeah,
• 21:33
  if
• 21:33
  you
• 21:34
  do
• 21:34
  it
• 21:34
  regularly.
• 21:35
  And
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  other
• 21:35
  thing
• 21:35
  I
• 21:36
  find
• 21:36
  with
• 21:36
  desks,
• 21:37
  my
• 21:37
  desks
• 21:38
  specifically,
• 21:39
  is
• 21:39
  I
• 21:40
  will.
• 21:40
  I'm
• 21:41
  just
• 21:41
  looking
• 21:41
  at
• 21:41
  this.
• 21:41
  It's
• 21:42
  happening.
• 21:42
  I'll
• 21:42
  let
• 21:43
  things.
• 21:43
  Things
• 21:44
  become
• 21:44
  permanent
• 21:44
  on
• 21:44
  the
• 21:45
  desk.
• 21:45
  Like
• 21:45
  it's
• 21:45
  okay
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  have.
• 21:46
  Right
• 21:46
  now
• 21:47
  I
• 21:47
  have
• 21:47
  one
• 21:47
  tooth.
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  have
• 21:49
  five
• 21:49
  containers
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  pens
• 21:51
  on
• 21:51
  my
• 21:51
  desk.
• 21:52
  Not
• 21:52
  necessary.
• 21:53
  Yeah.
• 21:54
  To
• 21:54
  have
• 21:54
  that
• 21:54
  many.
• 21:55
  And
• 21:55
  so
• 21:55
  that
• 21:56
  takes
• 21:56
  up
• 21:56
  space
• 21:56
  when
• 21:56
  I
• 21:56
  cut
• 21:57
  into
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  clear,
• 21:58
  clear
• 21:58
  desk.
• 21:59
  Right.
• 22:00
  Yeah.
• 22:01
  But
• 22:04
  I.
• 22:04
  Tonight,
• 22:05
  I'm
• 22:05
  vowing
• 22:05
  right
• 22:05
  now,
• 22:06
  tonight
• 22:06
  my
• 22:07
  desk
• 22:07
  will
• 22:07
  be
• 22:07
  clear
• 22:08
  before,
• 22:08
  when
• 22:08
  I
• 22:08
  call
• 22:08
  it
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  day
• 22:10
  tomorrow.
• 22:10
  I'll
• 22:10
  get
• 22:10
  right
• 22:11
  to
• 22:11
  work,
• 22:12
  join
• 22:12
  you
• 22:12
  in
• 22:12
  this
• 22:13
  commitment.
• 22:14
  Excellent.
• 22:14
  Perhaps
• 22:15
  I'll
• 22:15
  send
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  a
• 22:15
  picture
• 22:15
  of
• 22:15
  my
• 22:16
  desk
• 22:16
  because
• 22:16
  since
• 22:16
  I'm
• 22:16
  two
• 22:17
  hours
• 22:17
  ahead
• 22:17
  of
• 22:17
  you,
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  could
• 22:18
  Be
• 22:18
  inspirational.
• 22:19
  You
• 22:19
  could
• 22:19
  be.
• 22:20
  Yeah.
• 22:21
  That
• 22:21
  would
• 22:22
  be
• 22:22
  very
• 22:22
  helpful.
• 22:24
  And
• 22:24
  I
• 22:24
  have
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  say
• 22:25
  that,
• 22:26
  you
• 22:26
  know,
• 22:26
  a
• 22:26
  couple
• 22:26
  of
• 22:27
  weeks
• 22:27
  ago
• 22:27
  when
• 22:27
  we
• 22:28
  did
• 22:28
  our
• 22:28
  morning
• 22:28
  routine
• 22:30
  episode,
• 22:30
  and
• 22:30
  then
• 22:31
  you
• 22:31
  were
• 22:31
  gonna
• 22:32
  work
• 22:32
  in
• 22:33
  a
• 22:33
  little
• 22:33
  bit
• 22:33
  more
• 22:34
  exercise
• 22:35
  in
• 22:35
  the
• 22:35
  morning,
• 22:36
  and
• 22:36
  I
• 22:36
  wanted
• 22:37
  to
• 22:37
  make
• 22:37
  sure
• 22:37
  that
• 22:38
  my
• 22:38
  morning
• 22:39
  routine
• 22:39
  included
• 22:41
  exercise,
• 22:42
  too.
• 22:43
  You
• 22:44
  texting
• 22:44
  to
• 22:45
  say
• 22:45
  that
• 22:45
  you
• 22:45
  had
• 22:45
  done
• 22:46
  it
• 22:46
  was
• 22:47
  very
• 22:47
  helpful.
• 22:48
  Oh,
• 22:48
  good.
• 22:49
  That
• 22:49
  makes
• 22:49
  sense.
• 22:49
  An
• 22:50
  accountability
• 22:50
  buddy
• 22:51
  is
• 22:51
  always
• 22:52
  nice.
• 22:53
  Always.
• 22:54
  Yeah.
• 22:54
  Heartily
• 22:55
  recommend.
• 22:56
  Yeah,
• 22:57
  absolutely.
• 22:59
  So
• 23:00
  we
• 23:00
  would
• 23:01
  love
• 23:01
  to
• 23:01
  hear
• 23:01
  from
• 23:02
  you,
• 23:02
  our
• 23:02
  listeners.
• 23:03
  You
• 23:03
  can
• 23:04
  let
• 23:04
  us
• 23:04
  know.
• 23:05
  You
• 23:05
  know,
• 23:05
  do
• 23:06
  you.
• 23:07
  Does
• 23:07
  a
• 23:07
  little
• 23:08
  mess
• 23:09
  make
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  feel
• 23:10
  creative?
• 23:11
  Like,
• 23:12
  because
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  know
• 23:12
  sometimes
• 23:13
  I
• 23:13
  feel
• 23:13
  like
• 23:14
  if
• 23:14
  it's
• 23:14
  a
• 23:14
  blank
• 23:14
  slate,
• 23:16
  that's
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  hardest
• 23:17
  place
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  start.
• 23:17
  Like
• 23:18
  starting
• 23:18
  writing
• 23:19
  in
• 23:19
  a
• 23:19
  blank
• 23:19
  notebook.
• 23:21
  That
• 23:21
  first
• 23:22
  page
• 23:22
  is
• 23:22
  the
• 23:22
  hardest
• 23:23
  page
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  write.
• 23:24
  Yeah,
• 23:25
  yeah,
• 23:25
  yeah.
• 23:27
  So
• 23:27
  do
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  like
• 23:27
  a
• 23:28
  little
• 23:28
  clutter?
• 23:30
  Do
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  get
• 23:30
  overwhelmed
• 23:31
  by
• 23:31
  your
• 23:31
  mess?
• 23:32
  Do
• 23:32
  you.
• 23:32
  Do
• 23:33
  you
• 23:33
  spend
• 23:33
  more
• 23:34
  time
• 23:34
  purchasing
• 23:35
  supplies
• 23:35
  and
• 23:36
  organizing
• 23:36
  things
• 23:37
  so
• 23:37
  that
• 23:37
  you
• 23:37
  never
• 23:38
  actually
• 23:38
  get
• 23:38
  to
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  creative
• 23:39
  project
• 23:40
  you
• 23:40
  want
• 23:40
  to
• 23:41
  be
• 23:41
  doing?
• 23:41
  You
• 23:42
  can
• 23:42
  let
• 23:42
  us
• 23:43
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• 23:43
  on
• 23:44
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• 23:45
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• 23:45
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• 23:46
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• 23:48
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• 23:50
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• 23:55
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• 23:55
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• 23:56
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• 23:56
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• 23:57
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• 23:57
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• 23:58
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• 23:59
  and
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• 24:00
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• 24:00
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• 24:01
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• 24:05
  That's
• 24:05
  4843.
• 24:09
  I
• 24:09
  feel
• 24:10
  like
• 24:11
  it's
• 24:11
  not
• 24:11
  complete
• 24:12
  if
• 24:12
  we
• 24:12
  don't
• 24:13
  say
• 24:13
  our
• 24:14
  old
• 24:14
  ending
• 24:15
  phrase
• 24:16
  was
• 24:16
  go
• 24:16
  for
• 24:17
  it.
• 24:17
  And
• 24:18
  we
• 24:18
  hope
• 24:18
  that
• 24:18
  good
• 24:19
  Enough
• 24:19
  is
• 24:19
  getting
• 24:20
  easier
• 24:20
  for
• 24:20
  you.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  then
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  music
• 24:22
  plays.
• 24:23
  Thanks
• 24:23
  for
• 24:24
  joining
• 24:24
  us
• 24:24
  on
• 24:24
  Getting
• 24:25
  to
• 24:25
  Good
• 24:25
  Enough.
• 24:25
  We
• 24:26
  hope
• 24:26
  you
• 24:26
  heard
• 24:26
  something
• 24:27
  that
• 24:27
  makes
• 24:27
  your
• 24:27
  life
• 24:28
  just
• 24:28
  a
• 24:28
  little
• 24:28
  bit
• 24:29
  easier.
• 24:30
  If
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  did,
• 24:30
  leave
• 24:31
  us
• 24:31
  a
• 24:31
  review
• 24:31
  or
• 24:32
  share
• 24:32
  this
• 24:32
  with
• 24:33
  someone
• 24:33
  who's
• 24:33
  looking
• 24:33
  for
• 24:34
  their
• 24:34
  own
• 24:34
  version
• 24:35
  of
• 24:35
  good
• 24:35
  Enough.
• 24:35
  Thanks
• 24:36
  for
• 24:36
  listening.
• 24:36
  See
• 24:37
  you
• 24:37
  soon.
• 24:47
  That
• 24:48
  feels
• 24:48
  right.