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The Kenny Report | 11 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight. Australia's latest move against Israel
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Speaker 1: angers the US and cheapens our foreign policy to the
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Speaker 1: level of anti Israeli sloganeering. An uneasy curfew in place.
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Speaker 1: Tonight in Los Angeles, after five days of rioting, with
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Speaker 1: state and federal politicians still at loggerheads in the US,
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Speaker 1: the UK Labor government provides more detail on its bold
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Speaker 1: nuclear energy plans. When will Australia catch up? The alarming
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Speaker 1: statistics when it comes to domestic abuse and domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: and the Wednesday wrangle, Let's get started. The alban Easy
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Speaker 1: Labor government has now demonstrated that it's not interested in democracy,
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Speaker 1: freedom and security. It doesn't seem particularly interested in defeating terrorism,
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Speaker 1: and it's not even interested in maintaining our key alone answers.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: What it's more interested in is posturing. Activist posturing masquerading
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Speaker 1: as foreign policy. The Prime Minister and his Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 1: Pennywong have taken unprecedented, hypocritical and pointless action against democratically
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Speaker 1: elected politicians in Israel. They've imposed travel bands and financial
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Speaker 1: sanctions on Israeli security Minister Itamar Ben Gevier and Finance
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Speaker 1: Minister Bezeleel Smotrich. These are hard right politicians. They want
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Speaker 1: Israel to annex the occupied territories, not hand them back
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Speaker 1: to Palestinians. Now, these are hard line views not shared
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Speaker 1: by most Israelis or the netan Yahoo government, but they
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Speaker 1: are legitimate views held by democratically elected politicians in a
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Speaker 1: nation that operates under the rule of law. So to
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Speaker 1: sanction them is outrageous. Criticize them, sure, but sanctions like
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Speaker 1: these are designed for despots and crooks operating outside of
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Speaker 1: democratic and legal accountability. Yet Australia now sanctions Israeli politicians
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Speaker 1: in a way we don't tackle the thugs and human
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Speaker 1: rights abusers of China, or even extreme politicians in Pakistan,
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Speaker 1: Indonesia or South Africa. The action has been taken in
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Speaker 1: Kahutz with the UK, Canada, New Zealand and Norway. Israel,
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Speaker 1: of course, is offended. Listen to the way Wang tries
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Speaker 1: to justify this.
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Speaker 3: We believe a two state solution is the only way
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Speaker 3: to end the cycle of violence, and regrettably, it is
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Speaker 3: also clear that the Netanyahu government rejects it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, this is about forcing the Israeli government
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Speaker 1: to accept a two state solution. Israel is currently at
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Speaker 1: war with the Islamist extremist Humas terrorist outfit that exists
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Speaker 1: to make sure they're never is a two state solution.
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Speaker 1: Hummas exists to eliminate Israel. Hummas started this war with
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Speaker 1: its October the seventh atrocities against Israel and perpetuates the
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Speaker 1: war by continuing to hold hostages alive and dead in
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Speaker 1: an ongoing war crime, and by refusing to lay down
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Speaker 1: its arms and surrender. Yet Wong and Alban easy target
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Speaker 1: Israeli politicians, how morally and strategically confused.
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Speaker 2: We support a clear resolution in the Middle East. We
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Speaker 2: have been outspoken about calling for firstly for a cease
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Speaker 2: fire for the hostages to be released. We have made
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Speaker 2: it clear we see that Hamash should have no role
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Speaker 2: in the future of the region.
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Speaker 1: Really, how do you ensure Hamas has no r in
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Speaker 1: Gaza if you don't defeat Hummas. Albanizi and Wong were
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Speaker 1: calling for ceasefires in Gaza before the Hummas leader Jaga
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Speaker 1: Sinwa was killed, before his brother and successor Muhammad was killed,
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Speaker 1: before hostage deals were done, before Hesbalah was defeated in
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Speaker 1: the North. At every step of this war, Wong and
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Speaker 1: Albanizi have called for Israel to stop pursuing Hummas, Yet
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Speaker 1: they agree Hummas can have no role in the future.
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Speaker 1: Why aren't they demanding that Humas surrender. Why isn't their
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Speaker 1: primary focus the freeing of hostages held for more than
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Speaker 1: twenty months, Like.
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Speaker 3: Israel's military expansion in Gaza, illegal settlements and impunity for
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Speaker 3: settler violence in the West Bank are extinguishing the prospects
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Speaker 3: of a two state solution.
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Speaker 1: No, they are not. It's Humasa's war against Israel that's
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Speaker 1: extinguishing the prospects of a two state solution. That was
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Speaker 1: Hummus as Aim. Hummas feared Israel was about to normalize
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Speaker 1: relations with Saudi Arabia, worried that a two state solution
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Speaker 1: might emerge. That's what prompted its grotesque slaughter of innocent Israelis.
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Speaker 1: Wong and Albanese must know this, Yet they pretend that
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Speaker 1: Israel is the problem. They pretend somehow a two state
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Speaker 1: solution can happen if only Israel would stop pursuing Hummas. As.
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Speaker 3: You know, the Abeneze government has consistently advocated for a ceasefire,
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Speaker 3: for the release of hostages and the protection of civilians,
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Speaker 3: the upholding of international law, and the unhindered flow of aid.
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Speaker 3: And we've also consistently advocated for a two state solution, a.
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Speaker 1: Two state solution negotiated with who, not with Hummas, obviously
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Speaker 1: with Fatah, with the Palestinian authority. Remember Israel handed Gaza
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Speaker 1: over to the PA two decades ago. Tens of billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars of aid was poured in. Look how that
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Speaker 1: turned out. It was used by Hamas to turn Gaza
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Speaker 1: into a rocket launching base and booby trapped maze of
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Speaker 1: tunnels from which to terrorize Israel. Is Israel supposed to
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Speaker 1: risk the same plan and the same outcome in the
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Speaker 1: West Bank. Now, this is not a proposal any sane
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Speaker 1: person would consider. This is not serious foreign policy from
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Speaker 1: Wong and Albanisi. They are just shouting slogans like the
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Speaker 1: juvenile activists on our university campuses, instead of offering serious
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Speaker 1: contributions to difficult problems that've turned Australian foreign policy into
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Speaker 1: activist posturing. Their stand will not make a sceric of
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Speaker 1: difference when it comes to Israeli government policy. It will
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Speaker 1: do nothing except in courage Hummas. Any extra pressure on
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Speaker 1: Israel only op the Hummas propaganda game. This further damages
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Speaker 1: our relations with Israel, and importantly, it's also an unnecessary
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Speaker 1: slap in the face to America. Secretary of State Marco
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Speaker 1: Rubio issued a statement saying these sanctions do not advance
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Speaker 1: US led efforts to achieve a cease fire, bring all
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Speaker 1: hostages home, and end the war. We reject any notion
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Speaker 1: of equivalence. Humas is a terrorist organization that committed unspeakable atrocities,
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Speaker 1: continues to hold innocent civilians hostage, and prevents the people
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Speaker 1: of Gaza from living in peace. We remind our partners
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Speaker 1: not to forget who the real enemy is. The United
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Speaker 1: States urges the reversal of the sanctions and stands shoulder
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Speaker 1: to shoulder with Israel. Now that is a clear position
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Speaker 1: and a clear repudiation of Australia's confusion. So think about
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Speaker 1: where labours to diplomacy has put us. Now, just when
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Speaker 1: Albanezi is likely to meet the US President at the
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Speaker 1: G seven, just when he needs a favor from Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump on trade, he takes a slap at the US
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Speaker 1: position on Israel, risks further acrimony with the US for
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Speaker 1: no material gain. This is unwise diplomacy, damaging Israel and
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Speaker 1: risking another spat with the US for no gain, just
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Speaker 1: for the sake of repeating some anti israel slogans. The
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Speaker 1: PM was asked today whether he was worried about repercussions
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Speaker 1: in Washington. No.
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Speaker 2: Australia makes their own decisions based upon the assessments that
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Speaker 2: we make, and we've joined with four of the five
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Speaker 2: iceed countries, including a New Zealand, Canada, and the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 2: as well as Norway.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, we've thrown our lot in with the UK, Canada,
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Speaker 1: New Zealand and Norway. That'll smooth it over them. Just
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Speaker 1: when we have an appalling rise of anti Israeli sentiment
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Speaker 1: in this country and virulent anti Semitism, we have a
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Speaker 1: government intent on demonizing Israel. This is reckless at home
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Speaker 1: and abroad. It sends the message to extremists and terrorists
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Speaker 1: that the way to put pressure on Israel is to
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Speaker 1: use violence against it. Hummus slaughters Israeli's in a sick
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Speaker 1: plot to incite war and demonize Israel, and Australia bans
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Speaker 1: Israeli visitors and sanctions, its politicians turning Israel into a
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Speaker 1: pariah state in moves that will be cheered by humus.
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Speaker 1: You do not eliminate extremism by rewarding it. Now. I
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Speaker 1: noticed something kind of disturbing from Anthony Albanezi yesterday, but
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Speaker 1: to be honest, I thought it was pretty pathetic and
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Speaker 1: let it slide. But I noticed others have picked up
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Speaker 1: on it and they're pretty angry about it. I guess
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Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out because it goes to the PM's honesty,
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Speaker 1: or at least his attention to detail. It relates to
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Speaker 1: that Channel nine reporter Laurence to Marci who was hit
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Speaker 1: by a rubber bullet in the La riots.
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Speaker 4: Rubber bullets are protesters moving them on through the.
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Speaker 5: Heart of La.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we've all seen that footage a few times. Now.
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Speaker 1: Here's what the PM said about it yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Well, she was clearly identified, was clearly identified. You know,
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Speaker 2: there was no ambiguity. She wasn't wear a wearing a trackie.
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Speaker 2: She's wearing a helmet and something I identified her as media.
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Speaker 1: Really clearly identified as media and wearing a helmet. Here's
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Speaker 1: the incident again, Tamasi's in pretty casual attire and the
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Speaker 1: only thing identifying her as a journalist is the microphone,
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Speaker 1: which would have been wouldn't have been visible from behind,
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Speaker 1: and there's no hermit so it's just a little thing.
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Speaker 1: But why would the PM say that and why would
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Speaker 1: he make such a big deal about this incident.
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Speaker 2: Well, I spoke with Lauren this morning and she's going okay,
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Speaker 2: she's pretty resilient, I've got to say, but that footage
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Speaker 2: was horrific, horrific.
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Speaker 1: Albo's more exercised about this than he's been about anti
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Speaker 1: semitism in Australia. Strange and again Wong and al beneez,
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Speaker 1: he seem intent on elevating this as an issue with
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Speaker 1: President Trump.
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Speaker 3: Can I first say how it's good to see that
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Speaker 3: Lauren is in good shape and she's okay, and how
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Speaker 3: awful it was that image, that footage of it was
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Speaker 3: really awful and you've heard the Prime Minister's response. We've
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Speaker 3: made the approach representations now.
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Speaker 1: It was unfortunate, of course that Tamasi was hit, but
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Speaker 1: it was a risk the media were taking by standing
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Speaker 1: between police and protesters. I'm glad she's okay, and if
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Speaker 1: the cop was deliberately targeting journalists, no doubt he or
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Speaker 1: she needs to be dealt with and seriously. But that's it. Surely,
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Speaker 1: why exaggerate what went on and why elevate it to
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Speaker 1: an international incident. Over the years, when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the ABC, I've posed a number of questions and I've
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Speaker 1: provided plenty of answers, and one of the most controversial
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Speaker 1: programs and serial offenders when it comes to political bias
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Speaker 1: has been Q and A and then almost on cue.
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Speaker 1: Someone please remove that, gentleman. I'm very sorry. No, forget it,
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Speaker 1: forget it. Excuse me.
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Speaker 6: It's name to me is one of the most is
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Speaker 6: the most feminist religion. Right, we got equal rights well
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Speaker 6: before the Europeans.
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Speaker 1: Next question tonight is a video from David Hicks, formerly
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Speaker 1: of Guantanamo Bay here but now living in Sydney, New
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Speaker 1: South Wales. I'm David Hicks.
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Speaker 7: When you're a Prime minister, you left me in Guantanamo
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Speaker 7: Bay for five and a half years. During that time,
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Speaker 7: I was detained about charge for a long time. I
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Speaker 7: was denied a fair trial. I was tortured. Do you
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Speaker 7: believe it? I was treated humanely, but the military commission
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Speaker 7: was a fair system.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it a great country that allow us this kind
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Speaker 1: of exchange to occur.
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Speaker 8: You have me again.
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Speaker 6: The Liberals now have just justified to many Australian Muslims
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Speaker 6: in the community, in the community tonight to leave and
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Speaker 6: go to Syria and join is because of ministers like him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's a comment. We're just kind of
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Speaker 1: rule totally out of all. Well, I'll be brutally honest.
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Speaker 9: I actually think the producers and yourself, Tonyage ought to
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Speaker 9: be ashamed of yourself for giving them a platform. The
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Speaker 9: issue at heart is the ABC chose to give this
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Speaker 9: person a platform on live television.
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Speaker 10: Had the minister or the Parliamentary Secretary, I'm sorry, had
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Speaker 10: he responded in a manner where he actually answered Zaki's question,
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Speaker 10: I doubt that the situation would have been blown out
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Speaker 10: of proportion as it has been.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the greatest hits there. It's run for
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Speaker 1: eighteen years Q and A. In the early years it
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Speaker 1: was compelling viewing, but Q and A has now run
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Speaker 1: its course, with the National Broadcaster confirming today that it's
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Speaker 1: been scrapped. They're going to spend more money on documentaries instead. Apparently, look,
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Speaker 1: in some ways this is a pity the ABC has
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Speaker 1: struggled to find the right host after Tony Jones moved on,
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Speaker 1: and they've really shot themselves in the foot by making
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Speaker 1: the program so predictably green left. It's hard to produce
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Speaker 1: a real contest of ideas when you constantly dish up
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Speaker 1: stacked panels where everyone is in agreement. For instance, after
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Speaker 1: years between invitations, Q and A asked me back on
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Speaker 1: that was back in twenty twenty three. That they asked
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Speaker 1: me back on seemingly only then because they liked my
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Speaker 1: point of view on the Voice, and staggeringly everyone on
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Speaker 1: the panel that night had the same view. I think
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Speaker 1: it's disappointing tonight that everybody on this panel supports the Voice.
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Speaker 1: We will do it from different perspectives. We will support
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Speaker 1: an indigenous voice. And although I've from time to time
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Speaker 1: been a mild critic of the ABC, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to criticize you this time because I know you try
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Speaker 1: to get a couple of ponies, so I have indeed. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the bottom line is that a national broadcaster should have
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Speaker 1: a weekly public forum program like Q and A. It's
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Speaker 1: a must. There are plenty of topics, there's plenty of
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Speaker 1: good people with expertise and differing points of view. It's
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Speaker 1: just a matter of using the program to thrash things
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Speaker 1: out rather than constraining it within the ABC's painfully politically
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Speaker 1: correct straight Jack. They've got the perfect host in our
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Speaker 1: former Sky News colleague, the anchor here, David Spears, who's
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Speaker 1: handled many public forums on this station with plenty of
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Speaker 1: objectivity and dexterity. So let's hope they find a replacement
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Speaker 1: program that provides those lively discussions with live questions from
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Speaker 1: an audience and spearsy, I'm sorry to give you the
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Speaker 1: kiss of death, mate, but we all know that he's
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Speaker 1: the best host for this sort of thing. I guess
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Speaker 1: if you want lively debate though, it's just another reason
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Speaker 1: now why you've got to watch this channel this quickly
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Speaker 1: you return. Now to the United States, says the Los
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Speaker 1: Angeles riots have entered their fifth day. A curfew is
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Speaker 1: now in place for downtown LA as police try to
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Speaker 1: shut down those violent protests. Here's the latest from sky
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Speaker 1: News UK.
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Speaker 4: Minutes after a new eight pm curfew, passers police move
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Speaker 4: in on people remaining in downtown a show of force
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Speaker 4: as their ability to protect this place is questioned by
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Speaker 4: the President. Trump deployed the military against the wishers of
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Speaker 4: California Governor Gavin Newsom. He says it's an inflammatory move
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Speaker 4: that puts America on the brink of authoritarianism.
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Speaker 2: California maybe first, but it clearly will not end here.
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Speaker 4: Protests against Trump's deportation program have now spread to at
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Speaker 4: least a dozen cities across the US, anger spilling onto
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Speaker 4: the streets of Chicago. Hundreds of demonstrators arrested nationwide. These
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Speaker 4: troops will soon be joined by seven hundred marines. At
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Speaker 4: the behest of the president too, Ye.
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Speaker 1: Had disturbing scenes. They will keep any events in LA
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Speaker 1: and let you know if anything develops this hour. Let's
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Speaker 1: go now to the Mornings and Peninsula in Victoria. Catch
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Speaker 1: up with Zoe McKinsey, the shadow Assistant Education Minister. Good
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Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Zoe. You all have been
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Speaker 1: taking a keen interest in what's happening in foreign affairs
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Speaker 1: and these sanctions that Anthony Alberesi and Pennywong have leveled
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Speaker 1: it too. Israeli ministers know less what's the opposition view
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Speaker 1: on these? You can't do anything about it, but do
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Speaker 1: you oppose them?
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Speaker 11: Look, I think the view that we've been quite clear
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Speaker 11: on today is that these are dramatic steps for the
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Speaker 11: Australian government to have taken, and the question is whether
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Speaker 11: they will whether this is very out of character in fact,
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Speaker 11: for a democratically elected government and democratic ratically elected members
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Speaker 11: of parliament Israel to be subjected to a regime that
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Speaker 11: was designed for extreme violations of human rights autocratic regimes.
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Speaker 11: So my question is does this make it more likely
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Speaker 11: or not that there will be an agreed cease fire
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Speaker 11: that we will see the release of the hostages who
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Speaker 11: continue to be held by Hamas. I can't see that
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Speaker 11: it will. And whilst we all have real concerns for
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Speaker 11: what's happening in Gaza, the people of Gaza and the
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Speaker 11: experience there, at the moment, this does not seem to
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Speaker 11: me to be a step that will help either Hamas
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Speaker 11: give up its weapons, give up its action against Israel,
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Speaker 11: nor indeed Israel to move towards a more peaceful situation
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Speaker 11: and indeed ultimately ultimately coming to a discussion of a
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Speaker 11: two state solution which has bipartisan support in this country.
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Speaker 11: So was a dramatic step for the Australian government today.
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Speaker 11: This one thing I've learned about Israel is that you
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Speaker 11: shouldn't talk about it too much without getting off and briefing.
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Speaker 11: We have requested a briefing for the coalition. It has
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Speaker 11: not been forthcoming as yet. I hope it will in
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Speaker 11: coming ours.
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Speaker 1: It's clear it's not going to help deliver any of
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Speaker 1: those benefits. It's clear all it does is increase the
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Speaker 1: odor on Israel, therefore in bold and harm us. So
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Speaker 1: if anything, it can only lengthen the war, lengthen conflict
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Speaker 1: rather than push towards a ceasefire. And to my point
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Speaker 1: that this is not serious diplomacy, This is sloganeering and
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Speaker 1: trying to and trying to demonize Israel rather than supporting
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Speaker 1: real efforts to try and develop peace there, such as
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Speaker 1: Israel and the US are doing. Now am trying to
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Speaker 1: provide alternative aid supplies to deliver aid independently of Hummers.
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Speaker 11: Indeed, as I said, it was a dramatic move. I
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Speaker 11: spent most of today Chris with school children on the
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Speaker 11: Peninsul line. I was at Hastings Primary and I was
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Speaker 11: at Somerville Secondary School talking about democracy and encouraging kids
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Speaker 11: to think about democracy, to think about camber, to think
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Speaker 11: about the decisions we make and to engage in public
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Speaker 11: discourse and.
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Speaker 12: To watch the news.
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Speaker 11: I'm sort of quietly hoping that today they don't follow
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Speaker 11: my advice and they don't watch the news tonight, because
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Speaker 11: they would be quite confused about what action we have
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Speaker 11: taken today and whether it is in not just Austraight's
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Speaker 11: best interest, but in step with trying to get a
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Speaker 11: peaceful solution in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: But this is you mentioned the word democracy. That's the
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Speaker 1: key here, right, that these types of sanctions to try
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Speaker 1: and target individuals through travel bands and financial sanctions. They're
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Speaker 1: developed to try and get rogues, rogue leaders and rogue
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Speaker 1: despots in rogue nations, effect where they're operating outside the
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Speaker 1: rule of law and democracy. That's why they're put in place,
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Speaker 1: and we've used them against countries like Iran, to use
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Speaker 1: them against democratically elected politicians operating under the rule of
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Speaker 1: law in a liberal democracy. Surely cheapens and brings the
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Speaker 1: whole system into.
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Speaker 11: Question and their allies as well. So Israel is an
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Speaker 11: ally of Australia. It is important that we all do
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Speaker 11: everything we can to support the release of the hostages,
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Speaker 11: to the disablement of the terrorist organization that is from
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Speaker 11: US towards a permanent ceasefire and ultimately peace in the
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Speaker 11: Middle East. Today's actions do not seem to be well
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Speaker 11: placed towards that outcome.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about another ally that's in very
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Speaker 1: difficult times at the moment. That's the United States, of course,
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Speaker 1: with these horrible riots in Los Angeles which have started
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Speaker 1: to spread to other parts of the country, Chicago and
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Speaker 1: New York among them. But a former colleague of yours,
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Speaker 1: a former Prime Minister, Malcolm Turmbule, has bought into this.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at what he's had to say.
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Speaker 13: The concern is that this is essentially a propacation. So
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Speaker 13: it's you know, these are dangerous times in America. If
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Speaker 13: there are many people in America now, serious people, experienced
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Speaker 13: people who are concerned that America is slipping slipping into
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Speaker 13: a sort of a realm of authoritarianism, almost of tyranny,
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Speaker 13: and that should be very concerning for us. So let's
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Speaker 13: hope that common sense and the rule of law prevail.
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Speaker 1: Now con turnble the authoritarianism and tyranny. Does this help
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi repair relations with the Donald Trump administration.
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Speaker 11: The Donald Trump administration is the democratically elected government of
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Speaker 11: the United States. The Prime Minister has to do what
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Speaker 11: is in our nation's interest, which is to forge a
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Speaker 11: very strong relationship with that administration. We rely on the
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Speaker 11: United States in relation to defense. They are a significant
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Speaker 11: investor in this country and they are a very important
23:11
Speaker 11: trade partner of this country. So indeed he set aside
23:15
Speaker 11: all the helpful or unhelpful advice he's getting from former
23:18
Speaker 11: prime ministers and seek to establish the best strongest relationship
23:22
Speaker 11: we can. We absolutely need it. My electorate needs it.
23:25
Speaker 11: I have blue scope in my electorate. So those tariffs
23:28
Speaker 11: directly affect the well being of the people of Flinders
23:31
Speaker 11: and he needs to do whatever he can to get
23:33
Speaker 11: them removed, including establishing a face to face rapport with
23:38
Speaker 11: the President of the United States.
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Speaker 1: We'll see how he goes on that one in Canada
23:42
Speaker 1: later this week. Thanks for joining us, Zoe. I appreciate
23:44
Speaker 1: Zoe McKenzie. There live from the Electorate of Flinders, the
23:47
Speaker 1: wonderful Mornington Peninsula in Victoria. Now, as I mentioned yesterday
23:51
Speaker 1: on the energy debate, the Alberneezy labor government should look
23:54
Speaker 1: to their labor mates in the UK who are all
23:58
Speaker 1: in on nuclear with plans to build another massive nuclear
24:01
Speaker 1: power station unveiled also to develop small modular reactors, spending
24:05
Speaker 1: more than fourteen billion pounds that's about thirty billion Ossie dollars.
24:11
Speaker 1: Here is the UK Secretary for Energy ed Milliband golden agors.
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Speaker 14: We've all had them. Nuclear power had its golden age
24:20
Speaker 14: in Britain in the nineteen sixties, back when we used
24:23
Speaker 14: to build things as a country. This government says it's
24:27
Speaker 14: time to start investing and building again and end the
24:31
Speaker 14: years of decline. That's why we're announced thing the biggest
24:35
Speaker 14: investment in nuclear in over half a century, side well Seed,
24:39
Speaker 14: SMRs nuclear Fusion. It's all part of giving us energy
24:43
Speaker 14: security as a country, tackling the climate crisis with clean
24:47
Speaker 14: energy and creating good jobs the length and breadth of Britain.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Jasmin Dab from Global Nuclear Security Partners Australia.
24:56
Speaker 1: She joins me live from Perth. Good to talk to
24:58
Speaker 1: you again, Jasmine. This is an incredible step forward by
25:02
Speaker 1: the UK. Of course they've had nuclear power in the
25:04
Speaker 1: UK for seventy years, but they're really ramping it up
25:09
Speaker 1: with the commitment to major investments here and they've made
25:12
Speaker 1: it very very clear that they say the UK cannot
25:16
Speaker 1: get to net zero without a massive expansion in nuclear.
25:20
Speaker 1: Surely that's obvious to anyone who's looking around the world.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is, Chris. It's exciting for the people
25:29
Speaker 6: of the UK to see a good investment in their
25:33
Speaker 6: clean energy future. And the UK has realized that to
25:37
Speaker 6: decarbonize at scale and create industry and maintain industry, you
25:43
Speaker 6: need nuclear to do that. And they've also realized that
25:46
Speaker 6: it doesn't need to be just large scale nuclear power plants.
25:50
Speaker 6: Their investment into Rolls Royce and its SMR program is
25:54
Speaker 6: really exciting too to see the opportunities that that will
25:57
Speaker 6: have to create an SMR supply chain across the UK.
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Speaker 6: And the investment in fusion is the next step for
26:06
Speaker 6: the future of fusion technology. So really exciting to see
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Speaker 6: that come out of the UK.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, this is why I want to focus on
26:12
Speaker 1: it because it's so relevant to Australia. Cuts to the
26:15
Speaker 1: chase of what we need to confront in this country.
26:17
Speaker 1: So I want to run a couple of grabs from
26:19
Speaker 1: Ed Miliband in Parliament where he detailed various aspects of
26:23
Speaker 1: the plan. First up is the new large scale nuclear plant.
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Speaker 14: Five, as we'll see will power the equivalent of around
26:30
Speaker 14: six million homes with clean, homegrown energy for sixty years,
26:34
Speaker 14: and it will be a jobs and growth engine for Britain,
26:37
Speaker 14: supporting ten thousand jobs of peak construction and creating fifteen
26:41
Speaker 14: hundred apprenticeships, well paid, highly skilled jobs in East Anglia
26:45
Speaker 14: and communities across the country.
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Speaker 1: Now that's the old fashioned style of the reactor. I
26:50
Speaker 1: suppose the latest technology, but a massive reactor that creates
26:53
Speaker 1: a huge number of good, high quality jobs and powers
26:57
Speaker 1: huge numbers of homes. That's one option. And UK has
27:02
Speaker 1: already got some of those, and they've got the Hinkley
27:04
Speaker 1: one about to come on stream, so that is certainly
27:07
Speaker 1: one option we could adopt in this country.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, it's an option we can adopt on the
27:13
Speaker 6: East Coast of Australia. You could argue that the West
27:16
Speaker 6: Coast of Australia and the North are smaller grids that
27:20
Speaker 6: don't need that large input. But on the East Coast
27:22
Speaker 6: of Australia we need to decarbonize at scale and something
27:27
Speaker 6: like these size well ce sized reactors. I wouldn't necessarily
27:31
Speaker 6: say the same react to technology, but being able to
27:34
Speaker 6: produce enough energy to power six million homes from one
27:39
Speaker 6: site is pretty phenomenal. We don't have the capacity to
27:43
Speaker 6: do that at the moment.
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Speaker 1: No, so that's one option. And importantly the UK is
27:47
Speaker 1: saying this makes economic sense, this is affordable. In fact,
27:50
Speaker 1: there's more affordable than all the other options when you
27:53
Speaker 1: look at renewables and the like. And here's Ed Milliband
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Speaker 1: in the same speech Deparliament talking about small modular reactors.
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Speaker 14: I can inform the House that, following your rigorous two
28:02
Speaker 14: year competition, today Rolls Royce SMR has been selected as
28:06
Speaker 14: a preferred bidder to develop the UK's first SMRs. So
28:10
Speaker 14: to final government approvals and contract signature, this initial project
28:13
Speaker 14: could create up to three thousand skilled jobs and power
28:16
Speaker 14: the equivalent of around three million homes and jas.
28:19
Speaker 1: When this goes to the points you were making about
28:21
Speaker 1: the future here, this could be even more prospective for
28:24
Speaker 1: Australia because if they do the investment and the work
28:27
Speaker 1: and roll off these SMRs offered assembly line, we could
28:32
Speaker 1: essentially import them into Australia and plug them in as
28:35
Speaker 1: small scale nuclear reactors that could fill our energy needs
28:39
Speaker 1: right around the country.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, And this is where I think the future
28:45
Speaker 6: of nuclear is really exciting globally because SMRs could provide
28:51
Speaker 6: enough energy for some of our small remote towns, for
28:54
Speaker 6: some of our really large industrial mind sights. Possibilities are
29:01
Speaker 6: endless with SMRs. And to see the UK put a
29:04
Speaker 6: lot of investment behind one technology type to ensure it
29:08
Speaker 6: can be regulated and licensed. We could see and Royals
29:12
Speaker 6: Royce SMR roll out across the world build a supply
29:16
Speaker 6: chain globally and Australia can be part of that. And
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Speaker 6: my fear is we're missing out on the opportunities here
29:23
Speaker 6: because of ideology instead of spot on open to all
29:27
Speaker 6: the options for clean.
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Speaker 1: Energy spot on, Jasmon, thanks so much for joining us.
29:31
Speaker 1: Appreciated Jasmin dub there from Global Nuclear Security Australia joining
29:35
Speaker 1: us live from Perth. That's what we need to do.
29:36
Speaker 1: Get rid of the bands and send our experts, not
29:40
Speaker 1: the politicians, the experts to the UK. Look at what
29:44
Speaker 1: they're doing. It's a labor government over there. They're committed
29:47
Speaker 1: to net zero and they're big on nuclear. It's showing
29:49
Speaker 1: the way for Australia, no doubt. Now we've got to
29:51
Speaker 1: take a break on the other side of that. Going
29:53
Speaker 1: to talk more about these latest moves by Australia to
29:56
Speaker 1: turn Israel into a pariah state. I'll catch up with
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Speaker 1: A four. I'm a member of the Kanesset in just
30:01
Speaker 1: a moment. Now. I had my say at the top
30:07
Speaker 1: of the program about my discuss that the Prime Minister
30:10
Speaker 1: and his Foreign Minister Penny Wong have taken unprecedented, hypocritical
30:14
Speaker 1: and pointless action against democratically elected politicians in Israel. They've
30:20
Speaker 1: imposed travel bands and financial sanctions on Israeli Security Minister
30:24
Speaker 1: Iamar Ben Gevie and Finance Minister Bezialel Smotrich. These are
30:29
Speaker 1: hard right politicians who want Israel to annex the occupied territories,
30:33
Speaker 1: not hand them back to Palestinians. Now, these are hard
30:37
Speaker 1: line views not shared by most Israelis or the Netanyahu government,
30:41
Speaker 1: but they are legitimate views held by democratically elected politicians
30:45
Speaker 1: in a nation that operates under the rule of law.
30:48
Speaker 1: So to sanction them is outrageous. Let's bring in doctor
30:53
Speaker 1: Einat Wilth, who's a former Israeli politician and an author.
30:57
Speaker 1: Joins me live from Sydney. Thanks for joining us, but
31:00
Speaker 1: we were going to talk anyway tonight. But this development
31:03
Speaker 1: overnight is huge news. What's your reaction.
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Speaker 12: First of all, they're giving oversized importance to two ministers,
31:11
Speaker 12: one who is polling consistently at zero seats and another
31:16
Speaker 12: who is struggling because the gap between his big mouth
31:20
Speaker 12: and growth incompetence is being revealed to the Israeli public.
31:24
Speaker 12: So this kind of gives them a big boost and
31:27
Speaker 12: global importance that they do not deserve. But beyond that,
31:32
Speaker 12: the official position of the countries who are sanctioning these
31:35
Speaker 12: ministers is that they're doing it in order to promote
31:37
Speaker 12: it to state solution, and those are all countries that
31:41
Speaker 12: are funding UNROP, the organization that ensures that a two
31:46
Speaker 12: state solution will never happen because it keeps feeding the
31:51
Speaker 12: Palestinian delusion that there will be no Jewish state, the
31:55
Speaker 12: violent and dangerous idea of return and the name of
31:59
Speaker 12: which October seventh massacre was carried. Norway is even a
32:03
Speaker 12: country that has recognized Palestine while being one of the
32:08
Speaker 12: biggest funders of UNRA. Again, a complete inconsistency and opposition.
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Speaker 1: I'll just hold you up there because I want to
32:16
Speaker 1: come back to Andra in a moment. But just on
32:18
Speaker 1: these sanctions and these two ministers, that's the point isn't it.
32:22
Speaker 1: These ministers don't represent the actual government's position. Their position
32:28
Speaker 1: is not adopted by the government, so that the Israeli
32:31
Speaker 1: political system is handling anything it disagrees with them over anyway.
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Speaker 12: Of course, and you said it correctly in the beginning.
32:39
Speaker 12: It's a democracy, it's a coalition government. People have different views.
32:43
Speaker 12: It's a legitimate view. And again, these are two ministers
32:47
Speaker 12: that are now granted a kind of global spotlight while
32:51
Speaker 12: in the Israeli public, as I said, one of them,
32:53
Speaker 12: small church, has been consistently pulling at zero seats, and
32:58
Speaker 12: the other is struggling because a field and competence.
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Speaker 1: I was in Israel just two weeks ago and they
33:04
Speaker 1: were roundly scoffed at. Let's have a look at what
33:06
Speaker 1: our foreign Minister Pennywong has had to say.
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Speaker 3: We believe a two state solution is the only way
33:12
Speaker 3: to end the cycle of violence, and regrettably it is
33:16
Speaker 3: also clear that the Netanyahu government rejects it.
33:19
Speaker 1: Now. This stuff about a two state solution and being
33:22
Speaker 1: rejected now by the Netanyahu government is just fanciful, isn't it,
33:26
Speaker 1: Because I mean, at the moment, Israel is trying to
33:28
Speaker 1: defeat the Hamas terrorist group, which of course doesn't want
33:33
Speaker 1: a two state solution. Who would Israel actually negotiate a
33:37
Speaker 1: two state solution with At the moment, there is no
33:40
Speaker 1: Palestinian representative authority anywhere.
33:44
Speaker 12: No one, and it doesn't have to do just with Hamas.
33:47
Speaker 12: For the last century, the Jews have accepted every two
33:51
Speaker 12: state solution provided one of the two states is the
33:54
Speaker 12: Jewish State, and the Arabs, the Palestine Arabs, have always
33:58
Speaker 12: rejected a two state solution one of the two is
34:01
Speaker 12: the Jewish State. So anyone who genuinely cares about promoting
34:05
Speaker 12: a two state solution, one Jewish, one Arab has to
34:08
Speaker 12: deal with the core issue of the conflict, which is
34:12
Speaker 12: the Palestinian Arabs have never accepted a two state solution
34:16
Speaker 12: if one of the two of them is the Jewish.
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Speaker 1: State, exactly, exactly. That's the hurdle that we need to
34:21
Speaker 1: get over. Now you started to talk about Andra. That's
34:24
Speaker 1: the United Nations Relief and Works Organization, the un AID
34:29
Speaker 1: organization in Gaza been operating in the Palestinian territories, but
34:34
Speaker 1: in Gaza in particular of late, it's been the focus
34:38
Speaker 1: of some bands. We know it's people were caught up
34:41
Speaker 1: in October the seventh, yet other countries have restarted funding,
34:45
Speaker 1: including Australia. You've done a lot of work on this,
34:48
Speaker 1: so explain to our audience if you count a distillation
34:51
Speaker 1: of your work on UNRA and why you believe it's
34:55
Speaker 1: a malevolent influence in the region.
34:58
Speaker 12: ANRA is essentially an org organization that started with good
35:01
Speaker 12: intentions to settle the Arab refugees and was hijacked by
35:06
Speaker 12: the Arab refugees in ap countries in order to funnel
35:09
Speaker 12: Western money and you and legitimacy to ensure the continued
35:14
Speaker 12: war against the Jewish state. ANDRA is essentially at the
35:18
Speaker 12: core of telling the Palestinians you don't have to come
35:22
Speaker 12: to terms with the Jewish state. Keep dreaming one more generation,
35:27
Speaker 12: five more generations, and the Jewish state will disappear. It
35:31
Speaker 12: is the womb in which every Palestinian terrorist organization, from
35:36
Speaker 12: those who carried out the massacre of the athletes and
35:40
Speaker 12: the Munich Olympics the Israeli athletes was born as well
35:43
Speaker 12: as Hamas. It's not just a few members who participated
35:47
Speaker 12: in the massacre in October seventh. If you had asked
35:51
Speaker 12: the question how many of the participants in the massacre,
35:54
Speaker 12: were educated by ANDNRA on the idea of no Jewish
35:58
Speaker 12: state and the violent ideology of return. How many were
36:02
Speaker 12: registered by HONOR falsely as refugees even though they're not
36:05
Speaker 12: refugees by any international standards, and how many were placed
36:10
Speaker 12: in neighborhoods there are falsely called refugee camps even though
36:14
Speaker 12: they're not camps, and no one there is a refugee.
36:16
Speaker 12: You would have found that all of them are essentially
36:20
Speaker 12: graduates or people registered by HONRA. It is the organization
36:24
Speaker 12: that literally underwrites the ongoing Palestinian war against the Jewish state,
36:30
Speaker 12: and it is funded by Western countries that are blind
36:34
Speaker 12: to its real purpose.
36:37
Speaker 1: Will thanks for joining us. Welcome to Australia and thanks
36:39
Speaker 1: for joining us. Dr Arnett Wilf, the former member of
36:42
Speaker 1: the Kanessant former Labor member of the Israeli Parliament. We're
36:46
Speaker 1: going to get to it right now. On the other side,
36:47
Speaker 1: I'm going to catch up with psychologists Claire Row to
36:49
Speaker 1: talk about alarming statistics when it comes to domestic abuse
36:53
Speaker 1: and domestic violence. Yeah. Pretty disturbed to see headlines the
37:01
Speaker 1: other day saying that one in three Australian men has
37:04
Speaker 1: reported committing domestic violence as part of this world research
37:08
Speaker 1: that's been compiled from the Australian Institute of Family Studies.
37:15
Speaker 1: It's a government body. But if you dig a little
37:18
Speaker 1: deeper into this report, it knows that emotional type abuse
37:21
Speaker 1: was the most common form of intimate partner violence used.
37:27
Speaker 1: Now that concerned me. It's unacceptable, of course, emotional abuse,
37:30
Speaker 1: as any form of abuse is, and it's distressing, but
37:34
Speaker 1: to equate emotional abuse with violence surely turns the term
37:40
Speaker 1: on its head. For more. I'm joined by child adolescent
37:43
Speaker 1: psychologists Claire Row. Do you get what I'm saying there?
37:47
Speaker 1: I mean, I just saw this report. The headline said
37:50
Speaker 1: one third of blokes involved in domestic violence, and that's
37:54
Speaker 1: a frightening number. But it turns out a tiny fraction
37:57
Speaker 1: of those who are involved in what physical violence, they're
38:00
Speaker 1: including abuse or humiliation as Now that's not good, that's bad.
38:06
Speaker 1: But surely we've got to distinguish between physical violence and
38:11
Speaker 1: intellectual or emotional abuse.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well increasingly we don't.
38:15
Speaker 4: Now.
38:16
Speaker 15: So this report long and true or study nearly over
38:19
Speaker 15: ten year, sixteen thousand men and yes, a huge proportion
38:23
Speaker 15: of them and admitted to engaging in acts that would
38:26
Speaker 15: be considered domestic once. I just want to say there
38:28
Speaker 15: are two things that came out of that report I
38:30
Speaker 15: think actually quite good. And one is a correlation between
38:33
Speaker 15: poor mental health for men and their admission to engaging
38:36
Speaker 15: in violent behaviors. And two a correlation between these men
38:40
Speaker 15: and a lack of a paternal affection or paternal father
38:44
Speaker 15: figure in their life. And I think that that just
38:46
Speaker 15: speaks to the role of fathers. So I just wanted
38:49
Speaker 15: to note that.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, come back to those yes time. But I mean,
38:52
Speaker 1: presumably if there's emotional abuse, that might be a precursor
38:57
Speaker 1: to physical abuse, so we need to be mindful of it.
39:01
Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering if we call that domestic violence,
39:04
Speaker 1: aren't we polluting the debate a bit? Yeah.
39:06
Speaker 15: So there has been this growing inflational broadening of our
39:10
Speaker 15: definition of violence, and that's both at a criminal level
39:13
Speaker 15: and also the Family Law Act. So to give you
39:15
Speaker 15: an example, prior to twenty eleven, in the Family Law Act,
39:19
Speaker 15: the definition of violence quite concise and clear, fifty one words.
39:25
Speaker 15: It's now five hundred and thirty three words.
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Speaker 1: All right.
39:28
Speaker 15: It is very nuanced, it is very elaborate. It is
39:32
Speaker 15: laying So what we're trying to do here is we're
39:34
Speaker 15: trying to encapsulate victims who, over say a teen year marriage,
39:39
Speaker 15: have had financial control, They've been controlled by their whereabouts
39:42
Speaker 15: and their communication with others. But it also will include
39:46
Speaker 15: things like belittling, insults and criticism. Now I've criticized a
39:51
Speaker 15: partner before, Chris, I admit it. I've thrown a few insults.
39:55
Speaker 1: I've been criticized. Oh, there you go, probably this morning.
39:59
Speaker 1: So here we go.
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Speaker 15: So this is the difference. We have a very clear
40:02
Speaker 15: line when it is physical violence to say any form
40:06
Speaker 15: is wrong. Okay, it is very clear when it is
40:09
Speaker 15: emotional abuse, and we are including that now in legislation.
40:13
Speaker 1: And law acts.
40:15
Speaker 15: Where is the line, and so yes, I absolutely take
40:18
Speaker 15: your point. And when it comes to things like the
40:20
Speaker 15: family law courts, the allegations, I mean, every matter now
40:24
Speaker 15: has allegations of coercive control and violence.
40:26
Speaker 1: Because we want to keep talking about it and keep
40:28
Speaker 1: working on this because it's a real problem, and so
40:30
Speaker 1: we just want to want to make sure people are
40:32
Speaker 1: talking within the same parameters I suppose about the same things. Now,
40:35
Speaker 1: we haven't got a lot of time, but I want
40:36
Speaker 1: to get you back onto this paternal figure again, because
40:39
Speaker 1: we all know that, especially with disrupted families, for all
40:44
Speaker 1: sorts of reasons, fathers might not be the commodity they
40:48
Speaker 1: used to be, and that leads to other problems you're suggesting.
40:51
Speaker 15: Oh, absolutely, the research is absolutely unequivotable about the role
40:54
Speaker 15: that fathers play in children's lives. Fathers or father figures,
40:58
Speaker 15: you know, to have a paternal role. It cannot be
41:01
Speaker 15: substituted in any other way. And it has lifelong effects
41:04
Speaker 15: for kids developmentally, socially and for their mental health.
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Speaker 1: Very important, Very good Claire, Thanks for joining us again,
41:11
Speaker 1: and we didn't criticize each other at all that Claire Row.
41:15
Speaker 1: They're our resident child now adolescent psychologists. We're going to
41:19
Speaker 1: take a break. On the other side, we'll have the
41:20
Speaker 1: Wednesday Wrangle with Lisa Godard and Justin Smith will talk
41:22
Speaker 1: a bit more about those LA riots and of course
41:25
Speaker 1: the demise Q and A. It being Wednesday, let's wrangle
41:33
Speaker 1: with Justin Smith, broadcaster and columnists and author joining us
41:36
Speaker 1: Life from Melbourne as ever and Lisa Godard from Madoni
41:39
Speaker 1: Media joining us from the Great State of Queensland. Good
41:42
Speaker 1: to see you both. We're going to talk about LA
41:45
Speaker 1: reasonably quite there at the moment. Of course, it's after
41:49
Speaker 1: midnight in LA. But what are five days we've seen
41:52
Speaker 1: and just horrible to see the president and the governor
41:56
Speaker 1: just bickering and in fact threatening each other with legal
41:59
Speaker 1: suits and the like, Lisa, rather than combining to deal
42:02
Speaker 1: with the issue.
42:05
Speaker 16: Well, exactly right, Chris. Look when you saw the Rodney
42:07
Speaker 16: King riots happened in La, it was at the invite
42:09
Speaker 16: of the governor and the mayor to coming to bring
42:11
Speaker 16: in the National Guard. Now you've got the two the
42:14
Speaker 16: governor and Trump fighting and Trump saying he's out to
42:17
Speaker 16: liberate La and look, the power is with him. This
42:19
Speaker 16: will go through the courts. Not doubt there'll be a
42:21
Speaker 16: fight there because the Democrats will want to push it
42:22
Speaker 16: that way. But increasingly now we're seeing some Dems actually
42:25
Speaker 16: stand up and said, look, this isn't on. We have
42:27
Speaker 16: to actually get this city back under control. And I
42:30
Speaker 16: was in Hurricane Katrina when that city turned to anarchy,
42:33
Speaker 16: and I can tell you just how quickly it turns
42:36
Speaker 16: on a diamond. That's exactly what we've seen in La.
42:39
Speaker 16: They have to get on top of this. The video
42:41
Speaker 16: is aligned with the looting. That's begun. It's out of control,
42:44
Speaker 16: and Trump will continue to push this through and he
42:46
Speaker 16: has to absolutely do so.
42:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's far from the first time this has
42:50
Speaker 1: happened in La Justin, but it is excruciating. Even in
42:54
Speaker 1: a country like ours, it understands the federal state divide.
42:56
Speaker 1: You often have a federal governor of the state governor
42:59
Speaker 1: at loggerheads, but I've never seen it as dramatic as
43:01
Speaker 1: this with such a serious issue. And Trump and knew
43:04
Speaker 1: some just trading barbs.
43:07
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, look, and the training barbs goes right to
43:10
Speaker 17: the heart of the matter. I mean, they're called leaders
43:13
Speaker 17: for a reason. And you look at this and you say, well, look,
43:17
Speaker 17: it's no wonder that people behave the way that they
43:21
Speaker 17: do when they've got their leaders with their chest, big
43:24
Speaker 17: orange chests puffed out and saying, oh, you know, we're
43:27
Speaker 17: going to arrest the governor, and then the governor's saying,
43:30
Speaker 17: come and get me. With leaders talking like that, again,
43:33
Speaker 17: it's no wonder that people behave the way that they do.
43:37
Speaker 17: And if you want to talk about riots, you know
43:39
Speaker 17: we had a riots stirred up by Donald Trump on
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Speaker 17: the Capitol. So again, if you're telling people, hey, when
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Speaker 17: you've got a problem. When you disagree with something, this
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Speaker 17: is what you do about it. You take to the
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Speaker 17: streets and you get violent. Well, and then we stand
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Speaker 17: back and go, oh, wow, isn't this a terrible thing
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Speaker 17: that is happening.
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Speaker 1: Well, where do you think it comes from? Yeah, well
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Speaker 1: that is a fair cop justin. But I would add
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Speaker 1: to that that the Democrats, for the full year of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, we were encouraging these Black Lives Matter riots
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Speaker 1: right across the country. So both sides of American politics
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Speaker 1: has actually fueled this sort of thing at which Democrat
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Speaker 1: was all allowing the riots, which Democrat was advocating the riots.
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Speaker 1: You want me to walk you through twenty twenty again,
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Speaker 1: they were all supporting them. Forget they're out in the
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Speaker 1: front of them. Let's have a look at what Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's had decided.
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Speaker 18: We will use every asset at our disposal to quell
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Speaker 18: the violence. And we still alone on it right away.
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Speaker 18: We're not going to wait seven days and eight days
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Speaker 18: and wait for a governor that's never going to call
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Speaker 18: and watch cities burn. And let me tell you, if
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Speaker 18: we didn't do this, Los Angeles, it would be burning
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Speaker 18: to the ground right now. Just like the houses burned
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Speaker 18: to the ground just a few months ago.
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Speaker 14: Authoritarian regimes begin by targeting people who are least able
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Speaker 14: to defend themselves, but they do not stop there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this bickering between the California governor
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Speaker 1: and the president. And just to go to the way
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Speaker 1: the Democrats, as they did during Black Lives Matter, the
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Speaker 1: way they tend to authorize or encourage or certainly not
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Speaker 1: admonish these riots. Have a look at Nancy Pelosi what
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Speaker 1: she said overnight.
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Speaker 8: When there is a gathering, a large gathering of people,
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Speaker 8: the anarchists see it as an opportunity and they move in.
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Speaker 8: So always have to be careful whether you see a
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Speaker 8: burned car or broken window or whatever it is. It
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Speaker 8: may be the exuberance of the moment, but it may
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Speaker 8: be the anarchist setting in.
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Speaker 1: The exuberance of the moment. Lisa, this is the point.
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Speaker 1: Too many Democrats have made excuses for violent protesters.
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Speaker 5: And you're right, and justin you're wrong.
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Speaker 16: When the Black Lives Matter protests were happening in Chris
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Speaker 16: is right to say, let's walk through this again. The
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Speaker 16: Democrats were found me behind that the calls for defund
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Speaker 16: the police.
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Speaker 1: The Democrat.
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Speaker 17: No, hang on, hang on, Lisa. He said riots. He
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Speaker 17: said riots, not protests. He said riots, and the Democrats
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Speaker 17: were throwing up the rights. That's what I took except
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Speaker 17: with I didn't say they didn't back the protests. I
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Speaker 17: said they didn't back the riots or who was backing?
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Speaker 1: Right? Check the vision, mate, check the visions. Sure, let's
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Speaker 1: do Minneapolis, Los Angeles, New York City.
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Speaker 16: The images Black Lives Matters look like riots.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a look at what.
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Speaker 16: Those images from Black Lives Matters.
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Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, there's so many people killed, so many properties burnt,
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Speaker 1: and they didn't say they weren't.
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Speaker 17: Oh, come on, and the dead they were riots.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a look down at what a Democrat congressman
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Speaker 1: has said about this. John Fetterman has tweeted against his
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Speaker 1: own party, effectively saying, I unapologetically stand for free speech,
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Speaker 1: peaceful demonstrations, and immigration. But this is not that. This
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Speaker 1: is anarchy and true chaos. My party loses the moral
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Speaker 1: high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire,
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Speaker 1: destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement. Justin they all need
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Speaker 1: to stand up against this, don't they.
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Speaker 17: You've got to stand up against violence. Absolutely, and you've
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Speaker 17: got to stand up against riots. And I would never
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Speaker 17: say that, you wouldn't absolutely, But again, where does this
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Speaker 17: come from? Where does this attitude come from? You know,
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Speaker 17: it comes from the leaders down. You can't just go
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Speaker 17: blaming every single person that picks up a brick and
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Speaker 17: throws it. You've got to look at the other brick
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Speaker 17: throwers as well, and a lot of them are leaders.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Greta Tomberg a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: follow up on her arriving home from Israel. I want
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Speaker 1: to play first what the pilot said as the plane
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Speaker 1: landed in Paris.
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Speaker 2: To then our security forces and the ADF for protecting
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Speaker 2: and defending our homelands.
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Speaker 14: And we want to wish to swip brout in a lot.
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Speaker 1: Of digits, our fantastic Lisa for the pilot to make
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Speaker 1: sure that message was heard by Greta Tomberg.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, somebody needs to tell Greta Tomberg to go and
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Speaker 16: look up what the word kidnap means. And if she'd
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Speaker 16: watched them that video, she may have understood exactly what
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Speaker 16: it means to be kidnapped and worse. But you know what,
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Speaker 16: I find a standing Chris, I was looking for whatever
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Speaker 16: my sins were. I was looking at the Socialist Worker
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Speaker 16: page today and the headline there was protests burst onto
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Speaker 16: the streets of France. Israel hijacks Israel hijack's aid flotilla.
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Speaker 16: So first of all flotilla, it was one boat and
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Speaker 16: the extremists there. Did you look at the pictures that
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Speaker 16: were around today of tensands hundreds of thousands of people
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Speaker 16: out on the streets in France protesting to have this
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Speaker 16: flotilla of people returned. So I just think the world's
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Speaker 16: gone mad. The world has got absolutely mad. The amount
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Speaker 16: of aid that was on her ship. You couldn't run
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Speaker 16: a good Mexican meal with an amount of runs.
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, it was not about aid at all. It
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Speaker 1: was about public. Look that we haven't we're nearly out
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Speaker 1: of time. And just to prove the world has gone mad,
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Speaker 1: I've got a special little treat for Justin because while
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about the Lau, the problems on the
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Speaker 1: streets of La, the President Donald Trump was actually at
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Speaker 1: an army function celebrating a significant anniversary for the American Army.
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Speaker 1: And have a look at that at how he spent
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Speaker 1: some of his time.
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Speaker 13: There.
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Speaker 1: You go, Justin the troops seemed to love him.
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Speaker 17: Never play that again, and never play that again, please
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Speaker 17: or any actually, don't play any dance. I've warned you
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Speaker 17: about playing dancing politicians before, haven't I Please don't, please,
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Speaker 17: don't do it to me mate the show, But come on,
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Speaker 17: I'm a.
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Speaker 1: Big fan of the Trump dance because it's about the
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Speaker 1: only dance that we can all do. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: a pretty easy move, that one. Thanks for joining us,
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Speaker 1: Lisa and Justin. I appreciate it. Thanks for wrangling with
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Speaker 1: us on this Wednesday. That's all the time we've got
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Speaker 1: for you tonight. Thanks for joining me. Here's Peter Credlin.